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Post Post #75 (isolation #0) » Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:06 am

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Claim: miller
, again. Obviously, this claim doesn't clear me from being scum, but my play will make it clear soon enough. :P

As a warning, activity from me will be pretty low thanks to game overloading. :P

I will do what I can, though, to stay relatively active--V/la on weekends excluded, of course.
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Post Post #76 (isolation #1) » Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:07 am

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GuyInFreezer wrote:So based on a flavour, I guess Locusts are scums?
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Post Post #133 (isolation #2) » Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:42 am

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This is the spot where I would be joining the ANG wagon if not for the fact that
-It's grown so fast, and
-It's got some names on it that I distrust.

Like, seriously. I get it, ANG looks like scum to me too, but...that fast?

GIF might be right about multiball in play, since a wagon-happy town is generally one of the tell-tale signs of it. :P
(Speaking of which...multiball? GIF looks like scum. Not-multiball? GIF's town. Still debating in my head whether it's possible or not.)

*insert accusation here that Mastin is scum distancing but not voting his scumbuddy* (Alternatively, *insert accusation here that Mastin is scum who knows ANG to be town and wants credit for his townflip*. :P)
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Post Post #136 (isolation #3) » Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:46 am

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Taking a look at my PM, it's DEFINITELY possible this game is multiscum, but I need to think it over. I don't know the flavor (I joined 'cause I was asked to :P), so I don't know for sure.
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Post Post #162 (isolation #4) » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:29 am

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AP votes ANG in post 28, on Tue Mar 19 @10:38a.
Nero Cangel votes ANG in post 115 on Tue Mar 19 @01:17p.
Messiah votes ANG in post 121 on Tue Mar 19 @01:24p.
GIF votes ANG in post 124 on Tue Mar 19 @01:28p.
qwints votes ANG in post 129 on Tue Mar 19 @01:35p.

Yeah, not liking this speed still, but not as bad as I thought.
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Post Post #165 (isolation #5) » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:32 am

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Qwints is meh, but a bad meh.
GIF I've elaborated on already.
Messiah's posts just seem bad from my gut.
Neither Nero nor Angel are posting in a way which really gives me townvibes, either.

The best vote here is as stated AP's.
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Post Post #168 (isolation #6) » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:34 am

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mastin2 wrote:This is the spot where I would be joining the ANG wagon if not for -[snip]- I get it, ANG looks like scum to me too, but...that fast?
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Post Post #171 (isolation #7) » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:34 am

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Majiffy wrote:Mastin you should join me on Angelious Nero lynch and then I'll join you on AP lynch.
Uh, you got that backwards. :P
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Post Post #177 (isolation #8) » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:39 am

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Angelious Nero wrote:We are lynching Jiffy, maybe Mac. Maybe Messiah.
Meh. Majiffy doesn't feel like d1 lynch material. I can talk on d3 'bout it, though. Come back to me then. :P

Mac I see as town.

How 'bout Messiah? I like that.
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Post Post #183 (isolation #9) » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:43 am

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AngryPidgeon wrote:mastin, would you mind giving me some flavor since you've already claimed? I have a good reason, I promise.
I realize you do, but I have a good reason for not. :P

I don't feel like revealing my flavor at this time would be best. How 'bout this: two days before lylo, I reveal my flavor?
Or maybe if you don't like that, a hard deadline: on day three, I reveal?

I realize I'm not getting away with not claiming flavor 'til lylo, but at this time I don't think it would be beneficial to do so.
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Post Post #184 (isolation #10) » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:44 am

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Angelious Nero wrote:Well Mastin has a town read too. So idk, maybe I'm off but a lot of time my "sucky reads" are actually right.
Alright, then. I'll have confidence that you've got at least 1/3.

VOTE: Messiah.
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Post Post #350 (isolation #11) » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:01 am

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Mod: V/LA upcoming
. A bit of a long-term one. In addition to my weekend V/LA, I'll be prepping for a surgery on Monday (posting then is doubtful), in surgery Tuesday (posting then is even more doubtful :P), and then recovering for the next week or so. During which I'll be posting whenever I have the strength to get MS access. Shouldn't be debilitating to the point where I can't play, soyeah, you shouldn't need to replace me, but it's something you should be made aware of.

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Post Post #352 (isolation #12) » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:07 am

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Piratecat wrote:VOTE: goat
Eh.
Goat's a fish out of temporal water. That single post isn't enough on its own to condemn him. Doesn't mean he's town, but I don't think it's vote-worthy. I'd advise you to look at his posting and determine how much you think he's keeping from the olden days (which allows you to read him off of olden-days tells) and how much you think he is being truthful about not keeping up with current site meta compared to how much you think he may be hiding how quickly he's adjusted. (For instance--Bacde. Bacde has pretty much the same joindate if memory serves, yet you'd never be able to guess by just how naturally he plays. :P But he didn't get there overnight; there was culture shock from him that I sort-of gauged.)
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Post Post #357 (isolation #13) » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:19 am

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Jal wrote:
mastin2 wrote:Qwints is meh, but a bad meh.
GIF I've elaborated on already.
Messiah's posts just seem bad from my gut.
Neither Nero nor Angel are posting in a way which really gives me townvibes, either.

The best vote here is as stated AP's.


These aren't reads. Seem bad? What the hell does that even mean?

Also, you keep posting how ANG is the best lynch, give reasoning for not getting on it, prove your reasoning sucks, say again ANG is the best vote, and then you sit on your ass doing crap all. You are basically pushing/distancing on a lynch here without actually putting your duff on it yourself.

I don't get how wagon speed means anything.

Then there is the whole multiball theory.

mastin2 wrote:Meh. Majiffy doesn't feel like d1 lynch material.


D1 lynch material? Lynch material? Why are you making decisions based on "lynch material" rather than if he's town or scum?

I don't give two flips over a miller claim.

VOTE: mastin2

Also, explain why D3 seems to be so important and why you believe you'll live until D3. You mention it twice, once for revealing flavour and for talking about Majiffy D3.
Hey, AP, you can read Jal, right? Gonna need you to tell me if this is scum-Jal or not. :P

But to answer--I talk of day three because the only way I'm dieing before then is via nightkill. Which would mean one of these happened:
-A vig wasted a shot on me (especially since I've offered a reveal on d3 which should be well-before lylo),
-A SK thought taking me out would be a good idea,
-Or the scum NK'd the miller claim before they kill the cop, a-la LIPD Mafia. :P

Speed of a wagon, like it or not, IS a factor. There CAN be town-based quick-wagons, but experience tells me that assuming all members of a quick-wagon are town is naive to the point of idiocy. Quick-wagons CAN be on scum, but experience tells me that assuming so is going against the numbers; quick-wagons are almost never on scum. With the possible exception of multiball games.

As for lynch material--I meant what I said. I don't think Majiffy is a good d1 lynch regardless of his alignment. If he's town, he's a dang-good scumhunter whether you like him or not. Not to Nero levels of good, but not someone you want to casually dismiss. If he's scum, his posts can shed light on who his scumbuddies are. As I said. I'm not considering a lynch on him 'til d3. I'm writing him off and giving him a pass, kinda like I'm giving AP a pass, kinda like I'm giving Nero a pass.

And those ARE reads, whether you want 'em to be or not. :P
Qwints is nullish-scum. GIF's alignment is determined by multiscum or not. Messiah (who I'm currently voting) is a scumread. Nero/Angel's posting wasn't solid at the time of the post, but they've since rebounded onto the town side of things by quite some margin, butyeah, the important factor here is that at the time they looked bad.
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Post Post #360 (isolation #14) » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:30 am

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Also, ftr--
AP's kinda not feeling like his obvtown self this game. He's sorta suspicious to me, but I'm obligated to give him a one-day pass. I'll be looking at him quite closely after we lynch today, so we can talk about his alignment d2, but I'm not going to lynch him d1, either.

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Post Post #362 (isolation #15) » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:32 am

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Also, ftr--
I'm ambivalent on Goat.

On the one hand, he seems too well-adjusted for his culture shock at the pace of the game to be legitimate.
On the other hand, he's saying townish-sounding stuff with almost every post he makes.

Overall, I'd weakly lean town atm.
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Post Post #366 (isolation #16) » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:45 am

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Alright. So here's what I'm going to do. I want to have a full rundown (or as much of a full rundown as you can give at this stage) on reads for every single player that's posted, from these people:
-UberNinja (and guile, I guess),
-AngryPidgeon,
-Nero Cain (and ArcAngel by extension),
-Majiffy,
-Slandaar.

I know that all of you are incredibly accurate scumhunters at certain stages of the game, and I want to coordinate you. Yes, I know, not all of you are going to be town, but that makes it all the more important for me to do the coordination. :P

Basically--I'm town. You can trust me to be town. And I want to work with all of you, to get a scum lynch. I want to work with all of you, to help finalize scum-lists and town-lists. After I run some errands, I can get a runthrough of my reads this game (despite the fact that they're probably not too stellar yet :P), but I figure I might as well start now with the process.
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Post Post #369 (isolation #17) » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:49 am

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As stated before, I see Mac's posts as being town.
I mean, yeah, you have a scumread there, which, yeah, puts my townread into doubt because bluntly you're a better scumhunter than me, but I can explain my townread in a bit.
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Post Post #375 (isolation #18) » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:03 am

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Majiffy wrote:Why can't 5 people in a large game all be town?
Could be town, yes, but actually are, I have doubts. Specifically, on you and AngryPidgeon, though I've also got a raised eye on UN's hydra. You could be town, yes, and I don't think all three of you are scum, but I don't think all three of you are town, either.
To give it a scale--AP is :shifty: , You are :igmeou: , and UN's hydra is :?
:P

Working with me is a great way to convince me that you're town. :P
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Post Post #381 (isolation #19) » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:19 am

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Piratecat wrote:mastin I am feeling left out here
Sorry, Mollie/MalaK. You two might be decent or even good scumhunters, but I really haven't seen enough of your town-play to make that call. What little I've observed of your town-plays puts you both in that range to be approximately at my level, mediocre-good. The people I listed are the people in this game who I consider to be better scumhunters than me. :P

I do know that the Mollie half of ya has experience reading Majiffy, so that'd be appreciated, and you're free to join in and do what I asked of those people despite yourselves not being among 'em, but simply put, I currently don't really feel like you're as important to coordinate with. :P
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Post Post #396 (isolation #20) » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:49 am

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Okay. Let's do this.

Angelic Nero (AKA, AANero, AKA, Nero Cangel9)--increasingly a strong townread. Though their play didn't start as I would expect a town-Nero/town-Angel to, their later posting is
exactly
what I'd expect from their town selves.

AngryPidgeon--the opposite. His play started all typical AP-town, but his later posting is reminiscent of his scum-self. He's not being obvtown. He's kinda in his scum-meta of just...being there. That said--I'd rather not go through the hoops with him on D1 about this. On d2, we can talk about this more.

ANG--very little of what ANG has said seems town, and overall, he seems to be scumposting like a champ. However, I am weary of most of the names on his bandwagon (all but Nero/Angel), along with how quickly it formed. Overall, this leaves him at nullish-scum.

Bitmap--very, VERY little content, though this might make him scum. As town, I seem to recall he was among the active posters in Posh Mafia, yet this game, he's barely posted at all. Not exactly a strong read, but nullish-scum overall.

Bork--I'll be honest, he's kinda a forgettable poster. I know he's posted a lot, but I kinda have trouble remembering he's even in the game. Reading him in iso, it looks like he's town, though, since he's definitely showing signs of thinking for himself and certainly not going with popular opinion (for instance--his doubting ANG-scum). Overall, nullish-town.

Colonel Guile (AKA, UberNinja-guille hydra)--given pretty much nothing this game. I guess they could be town; I'd sort-of expect a scum-UN/guile to try and establish towncred early-on and cruise later-game, which is kinda UN's scum-MO; they're not doing so.
But then again, they're pretty much not giving anything, which has me worried. A lot. Ambivalent overall; I want UN to read and give me scum. He's an effective scumhunter when he puts his mind into the game.

CryoNudist--I'm pretty much with Slandaar, here; their posts scream scum to me.

GuyInFreezer--if this game is multiscum, he's scum. If this game isn't multiscum, he's town. Simple as that; we'll need a scumflip to tell for certain.

Jal--I have zero confidence in my ability to read her, but my read IS a scumread.

KoC--while I see the point that his posts aren't too hard to fake as scum, they still overall come across as being town, so he's a weak townread.

Mac--I liked his entrance and his overall posting feels town. He looks like he's scumhunting, he seems to be bringing good and unique opinions to the table, his thoughts kinda mirror my own at those points in the game, and basically an air of confidence and relaxation; he doesn't feel like he's worried. Soyeah, that's why he's a pretty decent townread of mine.

Majiffy--dude looks kinda bad, to be honest. Not as bad as AP does (and AP doesn't look too bad--see above), but still not great, either. I don't have confidence in my ability to read him, though.

Messiah--pretty decent scumread. Votes CryoNudist in the RVS (kinda looks like a RVS-vote-buddy), bandwagons ANG, general bad overall vibe to his posts that feel sheepish and parrotish, overall not seeming to actually be interested in scumhunting, a bit wishy-washy, white knighting The Goat, OMGUS'ing me, weak attack against MS Marangal, and overall just not seeming town.

MS Marangal--if AP is scum, 208 is all I'd need to lynch MS Marangal as a scumbuddy. Vice-versa, too, for if MS is scum. Little bit wishy-washy overall. Defends Jiffy as well, which is similar to AP. Overall doesn't seem to have actually done much scumhunting. Hasn't even placed a vote yet in the game. Basically, there's a whole lotta nothing, except for defending players. I don't see actual scumhunting.
Overall, nullish-scum. (More scum than null.)

PeregrineV--not many posts, but the posts he's got look town.

Piratecat--As I said, I've played with both players before, but I'm not too familiar with either their town or scum play. Overall, I'd say they do give off town vibes, though, so I'd place them as town.

Qwints--ambivalent. Entirely. He could be scum, because his posting's not hard to fake, he's kinda sheepish and bandwagoning, and not contributing much. But he could be town, because what content he
does
have seems good, with what looks like good reads and decent reasoning.
If you put a gun to my head, I'd call him town ('specially with all the null-scum I have already :P), but I'm not ready to commit to that call.

Slandaar--this seems like his town-self, and I feel he's right on the money with CryoNudist.

The Goat--as covered earlier, I've been a bit on the fence with him. He seems more accustomed to this environment than he lets on to be, which is kinda scummish. However, his overall posting
does
read as town, so he gets a null-town read.

Those I haven't mentioned simply don't have content to be read one way or the other, and are therefore null.

I'll compile this list into a reads-list in a sec.
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Post Post #400 (isolation #21) » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:01 am

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So...
STRONG TOWN
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Angelic Nero
Slandaar
GuyInFreezer (single-faction)
TOWN
:

Mac
PeregrineV
Piratecat
WEAK TOWN
:

Knight of Cydonia (aka, KoC)
NULL-TOWN
:

bork
The Goat
PURE AMBIVALENT
:

Colonel Guile (UN/guille)
qwints
NULL-SCUM
:

Approximately Normal Guy (aka, ANG)
Bitmap
Jal
MS Marangal
SCUM
?:

AngryPidgeon
Majiffy
SCUM
!

CryoNudist
GuyInFreezer (multiball)
Messiah

NULL
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Da rest. :P (looking at the post, as far as I can tell, this is just havingfitz)
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Post Post #406 (isolation #22) » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:09 am

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Dammit, that's way too many scumreads for my comfort.

Nero, help me out here. Help me focus in.

AP, though I suspect you, I'm treating you as town for today, so help me. Don't bother defending yourself from me (as I said, it's a waste of space for d1); instead, I want you to point at the rest of the people on my list and tell me where you think I've gone right or wrong. Bouncing ideas off of town-you nets scum a LOT more often than not.

Slandaar, I need you to give me the strength of your CryoNudist scumread. And who else do you suspect? Even if CryoNudist is scum, they have scumbuddies, and I was hoping you could help me shed some light on that.

UN, I know you like to slack off in games, but I could use your help. Come in, actually read the thread, and help get my reads solidified. If nothing else, do something to bump yourself into my town category, please. :P

Majiffy, like AP, I suspect you, but if you're town, I'll be blunt; you're barking up the wrong tree, here. And you were also on the wrong track for Nero/Angel. So tell me, other than myself (which is beyond stupid) and Nero/Angel (equally dumb), who is it that you suspect? There has to be more than just two or three people you suspect. And who do you think is town? Why? You've given very little actual content this game. Heck, what's your read on Mollie? I realize hydra-play changes meta, but you should still have SOME clue as to Mollie's alignment.
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Post Post #408 (isolation #23) » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:12 am

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AngryPidgeon wrote:
Scum Heap

Messiah
Knight of Cydonia
Approximately Normal Guy
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PirateCat
qwints
CryoNudist* (mainly sheeping Slandaar's suspicion here)

Everyone else:

havingfitz
GuyinFreezer
Why is fitz in null (everyone else) when you liked his post(s) before?
Why don't you have a read on GIF?
What puts Piratecat into the (weak) scum pile?
Why is CryoNudist only in the (weak) scum pile, not higher?
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Post Post #417 (isolation #24) » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:20 am

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Already, I feel like my list needs revision.
MS's post is basically a whole lot of parroting, by saying Mollie looks town (no duh) and attacking me for the same BS reasoning that Majiffy did. As a start.

Also, I feel like bumping both the ambivalents into a town category. Probably null-town. And I feel like bork probably deserves higher than that, into weak town.
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Post Post #560 (isolation #25) » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:37 am

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Okay, AP. I trust you to be town. (If you're not, I'm going to kill myself for being so stupid and backing down off of you. :P)
I'll work with ya, now. I'll take a good look at your/Slandaar/Nero's lists and see if they have a common ground.

From the sounds of things, I believe we all have a scumread on Messiah, though, so that'd be an excellent starting point for us to vote.
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Post Post #561 (isolation #26) » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:47 am

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This is exactly what I needed to hear in order to place Jal into town. (It also helped place AP into town for good. :P)

I kinda want to form a town bloc with Goat, Slandaar, mastin2, Majiffy and AA9/Nero.
Totally down with that--a bit iffy on Jiffy (:P), but otherwise this was much what I had in mind. :P
Speaking of that post, the townreads stated there (Jal, PV, Bork, Mac) I agree with 100%. (Another contributor to AP being town. :P)

Slandaar has Mollie's hydra as town, an opinion I happen to agree with, so we can also put that in.
A maybe-common scumread is on Cryo (Nero's iso is slightly inconsistent with this) in addition to the definitely-common scumread on Messiah.
I actually think we've got a solid base, here. We just need to flesh out the details, since at least one member of our bloc is going to die via NK. :P
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Post Post #562 (isolation #27) » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:55 am

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So basically...
-Varying degrees of townreads on:
Goat, Slandaar, (Jiffy), Nero, AP, Jal, PV, Bork, Mac (save Nero), Piratecat (Mollie/MalaK)

-Decent scumreads on:
Messiah, CryoNudist

-We need to work on:
Colonel Guile (UN/Guille), MS Marangal, Bitmap, KoC, qwints, havingfitz, GuyInFreezer

Now, you have my opinions. UN/Guile is a very weak townread, Ms Mrangal a decent scumread, GIF's alignment depending on multiscum or not, KoC at weak-town, qwints at null, and Bitmap a gut-scumread.
I need more feedback from ya.

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If not, then what's your read? Null (no opinion--if so, get one :P), Ambivalent (unsure), or scum? Also give reasoning and strength (if applicable).

How 'bout KoC? Qwints? Colonel Guile? (I can put off Bitmap and fitz for a bit, owing to their inactivity. I don't expect anyone to have a solid read when there's nothing to get a solid read from.)
What's your take on GuyInFreezer's posts?
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Post Post #569 (isolation #28) » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:42 am

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AngryPidgeon wrote:I see AA/Nero like Cryo for scum. I don't see anyone townreading that slot, possibly a better lynch than Messiah.
Well, it's a start.

Does anyone
(other than Messiah or CryoNudist, obviously :P)
object to narrowing our lynch candidates for today down to CryoNudist and Messiah?


If so, give a damn-strong reason why, since I really think we should begin consolidating our votes on one/both of those two.
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Post Post #575 (isolation #29) » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:55 am

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Angelious Nero wrote:
AngryPidgeon wrote:I see AA/Nero like Cryo for scum. I don't see anyone townreading that slot, possibly a better lynch than Messiah.

:eek:

Mastin has a strong town read on us, you had a strong town read on us, Majiffy is calling us dumbtown (which is like the pot calling the kettle black)

Are you honestly scumhunting based on how others read a slot?
Yup. It's kinda like you relying on Nero, Angel. (I know this is Angel because Nero would have no problem with me sheeping him. :P) You know him to share your alignment (town), so you know his reads come from the same place as you.

It's less certain, sure, yeah, because we don't know for 100% sure that you are town since we don't have your role PM, but because of our strong townread on you, we're making the safe assumption that you're town, and therefore the safe assumption that your reads are from the same point of view as ours are: town. Scumhunting off of how others read a slot when said other players are incredibly strong is not shameful at all.

And it's not like I'm actually sheeping. I legitimately have scumreads on Messiah and CryoNudist. It's just that they've grown stronger via other people who I know to be strong players ALSO having those same scumreads.
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Post Post #578 (isolation #30) » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:06 am

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Another point supporting a Messiah lynch--
If the collective scumreads of our town bloc were somehow wrong, then I'd rather keep CryoNudist around than Messiah. For a start--their content might be bad, but I see Messiah's as being worse. They have shown the capability to potentially be of use if they're town, whereas Messiah has not. They've even agreed to enter into a 1v1 that they have a significant chance of losing, another thing which while by no stretch of the imagination making them town, does at least give them some wiggle-room to me.

Don't interpret this post the wrong way; I still think they're both scum. But I feel like Messiah's more scum than CryoNudist, and more useless to keep around if town.

Does this make sense?
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Post Post #607 (isolation #31) » Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:52 am

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qwints wrote:VOTE: CryoNudist

Scum CN motivation:

Hey, mastin just nailed me and my scum buddy. Maybe if I volunteer to 1v1, one of us ends up cleared!
Okay, if I'm right about Cryo and Messiah, qwints just earned a townread. (Heck, probably even just if I'm right about Cryo.)

VOTE: CryoNudist.
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Post Post #733 (isolation #32) » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:24 am

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Ms Marangal wrote:I really don't like this Cryo vote, I don't like most of the major wagons TBH, I can't find any real reason behind any of them. I'm more interested in Mac, KoC, and Goat, KoC is at the top. Not sure about qwints, and I'm defintely feeling iffy about AANero
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Nero, Majiffy, trust me. AP's town.

I'll burn in hell if I'm wrong. Guaranteed. AP's town. So don't diss the Cryo wagon because of AP's switch, when mine was not only nearly identical, but arguably worse.
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Post Post #740 (isolation #33) » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:34 am

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I'm giving MS Marangal the benefit of the doubt for the softclaim.
GuyInFreezer wrote:How would you know when is two days before lylo? Do we have a defined number of scums? 'Cause I don't know how many of them are out there.
Know, no. Know? Yes.

What I mean by this is--I've been in 100+ games. I know the math. I know balance. I've been involved in setup reviews before, and been on the receiving ends of them for games this size. I know how to crunch the numbers. So I know with relatively certain accuracy how many scum to expect. So depending on the number of average nightkills and depending on how many players are in the game, I can calculate what day would be lylo and go two days before then.

Which I can do on d2 after seeing how many deaths. There's a huge difference between one death at night and three. (Heck, if multiscum, with a SK, and a vig, it would *theoretically* be possible to have four, though that is of course an extreme rarity.)
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Post Post #742 (isolation #34) » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:37 am

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AngryPidgeon wrote:Huh, I saw mastin lurking just a sec ago.
I have more games in the Theme Park than just this one, you know. :P

Butyeah. Seriously, guys. AP's town, and if he's not, you can feel free to try and mislynch me.
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Post Post #745 (isolation #35) » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:38 am

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Angelious Nero wrote:If this is AP town play then its horrible. If this is AP town play I'm going to yell at you. Remember how in HP you were so sure that AP was town. How'd that work out?
And I've gotten better at reading him since then. Trust me. While it's possible AP's scum, I really, REALLY think he's town. Like, 98%.
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Post Post #749 (isolation #36) » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:43 am

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Seriously, guys.
We had it.
We had. this game. in. the. bag.
I was getting ready in my mind for us to nom this game for a Best Performance: Town game, for us recognizing. who. is. town.
And building. off. of. that.
And. lynching. scum.
One. after. another.

But nooooo.
YOU HAVE TO GO ALL PARANOID ON ME.
Do NOT lose sight of the goal. AP's not a scumlynch.
Cryo is.

Stop sabotaging each other with your petty attacks, your doubt on one another, your references to previous games, and get back to what we WERE doing, solidifying our reads and narrowing down.

Honestly. It's like I'm the only voice of reason here. I leave for twelve hours, and there's five pages of bullshit paranoia.
AP's town.
Nero's town.
I'm town.
Slandaar's town.
Jiffy might be town.

Messiah and Cryo aren't.
So lynch scum.
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Post Post #753 (isolation #37) » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:53 am

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AP's playing like a champ, Nero, but not a scum-champ.
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Post Post #784 (isolation #38) » Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:17 am

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LET'S LAY DOWN THE LAW.

1. Colonel Guile ( Uberninja/guille2015 hydra )
^Town. Screw their content. Screw how little they've given. Screw having a scumread on their weak posting. I'm calling them town, my word is law, so live with it. Because I'm ticked off at the derps in this town and I'm going to trust my gut. Period.

2. Messiah *
^Scum. AND SHOULD BE AT THE TOP OF EVERYONE'S LYNCH LISTS. Name one goddamn thing in Messiah's iso which is town. I dare you two, because there's dozens which make him scum, as I have explained before.

3. Slandaar
^Town. The suspicion on him is moronic and out-of-date. This is his town-self, and he's scumhunting mostly like a pro. Don't you dare touch him as being scum.

4. CryoNudist
^Scum. Cryo's content is empty and hollow. It's made to make people think they look good when they really don't. There's nothing in there but opportunistic posting. I don't mean opportunistic in the sense of 'lol vote largest wagon'. I mean opportunistic in that they're seeing a situation and taking advantage of it and manipulating it so that the town can destroy themselves. Seriously, I mean it, you guys are being idiots. There's no personal attack involved; this is simply a statement of fact.

5. Angelious Nero ( Nero Cain/ArcAngel9 hydra )
^Town. Seriously. This is Nero in his town meta. This is also Angel in (as far as I can tell) her town meta. Their reads are solid and well-reasoned. Their contradictions are a stretch at best, and attempts to discredit them are horrible-as-hell. Got that? They're right there up with Slandaar (slightly above him, in fact) and only slightly below AP in strength of my townread. So back off, go elsewhere, and help me lynch scum; they. are. not. it.

6. PirateCat ( Pirate Mollie/Malakittens hydra )
^We'll deal with them later. Okay. Town, scum, doesn't matter. They're on the backburner. I realize some people have scumreads, but there are an equal number of townreads on them. They can be put off for a day phase or two, because they're not getting lynched d1. I personally have a slight townread on them, though this is admittedly weak.

7. borkjerfkin
^Town. His posts are nice and solid, and he overall feels like a different beast from Posh Mafia.

8. Majiffy
^Piratecat, only more. He's someone who we can look at later, but he's not getting lynched d1, so stop pushing him. Hail the flowchart if he's town.

9. AngryPidgeon
^Number. one. townread. I swear to god, he's town. Screw me having misread him in one game. I've gotten better at it since then, and I'm telling you he's town here. He wasn't town at first because he was kind-of just...there...but now he's being his proactive town self, and I am NOT. GOING. TO. LET. HIM. GET. LYNCHED.

10. The Goat
^Town. Solid posts all-around, he's definitely a damn-strong scumhunter, and I'm not going to accept any accusations of him being scum.

11. Mac
^Town. Nero, I realize you're a good scumhunter, but you're wrong about Mac being scum. Those posts are pretty dang solid all-around, overall well-reasoned and putting things where they need to be. Not worth lynching for a long time, at the very least.

12. Approximately Normal Guy
^Scummish. I would be okay with a lynch on him.

13. Ms Marangal
^Town. Play's still scummy-as-hell, but claim is believable.

15. Jal
^Town. AP's right, this is toe-stepping on Jal's part. She's horribly horribly wrong on me, but she's probably town from it.

18. PeregrineV
^Town. AP's right, this is PV in his town self. His posting's incredibly solid.

19. qwints
^Town. Though his posts have been a bit minimalistic and sheepish, what little content he DOES bring is solid, and that's what I'd expect from him as town.

21. GuyinFreezer
^Increasingly looking like scum. His post about not knowing the flavor but asking about multiscum reeks of BS.

And you'll note that I eliminated Bitmap, KoC, and fitz; they're all null, and I can be swayed one way or the other.

But this is my word, and you. will. sheep. me.
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Post Post #787 (isolation #39) » Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:47 am

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Final post before I leave, telling you that I am leaving pretty much right now.
I'll be back in five days.

Please listen to me, 'kay?
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Post Post #1193 (isolation #40) » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:45 am

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Five days.
Gone for FIVE DAMN DAYS.

And you flashwagon one of my strongest townreads. (Slandaar.)

Seriously, guys.
VOTE: Messiah.
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Post Post #1195 (isolation #41) » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:53 am

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[L-5] Slandaar: Majiffy, Messiah, PirateCat, borkjerfkin, Knight of Cydonia, CryoNudist
^Bad wagon is baaaaaaaad.
Like, seriously. At most I have two or three townreads here.
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Post Post #1196 (isolation #42) » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:57 am

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Messiah wrote:The KoC and Majiffy case posts just above us were the ones I was actually referencing. It's nice to see that you chose the PirateCat one, though. You clearly know the other two aren't defensible.
Vroom vroom, baby.
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Post Post #1199 (isolation #43) » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:06 am

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AngryPidgeon wrote:You don't like Cryo for scum anymore?
Still is a scumread, but a much weaker one.

If it came down to Cryo vs. Slandaar, no choice at all; Cryo's the lynch.
But given the choice, Messiah's my preferred lynch.

Seriously, that iso is bluntly shit.
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Post Post #1280 (isolation #44) » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:58 am

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CryoChemist wrote:So how many scum are on Slandaar and who are they? (We know you think Messiah, anyone else?)
Honestly?

I could see anyone on that wagon as being scum.

They're not all scum, obviously, and I do have townreads on some of 'em (bork in particular; maybe-KoC; I'm also not lynching Majiffy or Piratecat today, despite the fact that both are getting progressively worse), but that wagon is just plain awful.
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Post Post #1284 (isolation #45) » Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:05 am

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Majiffy wrote:Mastin you should hop on the Slandaar wagon for the lulz.
There's nothing lulzy in lynching town.

(Well, most of the time, anyway. :P)
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Post Post #1357 (isolation #46) » Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:02 am

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Seriously, guys. There's a time and place for fluff.
Pages 52-55 are not it.

I don't care how much of a killjoy it might be to you, but we need to cut the noise so the content is maximized.

We are lynching the false-prophet calling themselves Messiah today.
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Post Post #1388 (isolation #47) » Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:48 am

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Extend my V/LA for a while. My dog's dieing, and needless to say, I'm emotionally compromised atm.
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Post Post #1389 (isolation #48) » Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:52 am

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But seriously, guys. If you lynch Slandaar, I will cry more than I already have.
And that will make me upset.
And eventually angry.
And you don't want Mastin when he's angry.
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Post Post #1550 (isolation #49) » Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:42 am

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/Back on 56. Not enough time to finish catching up today, so I'll probably get to this game tomorrow.
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