Gears of War Mafia - ( Game Over! )

[Bacde]

sup guys

[Bacde]

gut scumread on cryo

I haven't read anything and am not really planning on it

[Bacde]

AP, fill me in quick whats going on

[Bacde]

Nice, I see knight of cydonia is in this game

hows it going man

[Bacde]

ok do you have a townread on me yet or do I have to manufacture that

[Bacde]

Cryo I'ma come for you tomorrow

Vote: Messiah

might as well

[Bacde]

so fitz is probably town

[Bacde]

Dang man I'm just upset that the only guy I attempted to interact with on d1 is dead

[Bacde]

still have my gut read on cryo

[Bacde]

ok guys am I the only one whos figured out that messiah is scum yet

[Bacde]

I knew mastin and AP were town

don't question me on it just let me have this one

[Bacde]

If I keep posting like this I'll probably continue to be ignored and left til endgame

which I'm not opposed to

btw guys Messiah is scum its pretty obvious

[Bacde]

What do you think about the fact that the messiah counterwagon had its two leaders die?

[Bacde]

What do you think about the fact that the messiah counterwagon had its two leaders die?

Unless Messiah has two alignments this question doesn't hold much merit in the way of making Messiah look scummy.

in what way is messiah confirmed town

[Bacde]

duuude

gut read on cryo kicking in hard right now

[Bacde]

hey whats up I'm still alive

[Bacde]

we are lynching messiah today I'm pretty sure

[Bacde]

Vote: Messiah

[Bacde]

we are lynching messiah today I'm pretty sure

We're not lynching the guy who caught scum in a lie yesterday.

VOTE: bacde

wait we caught scum in a lie yesterday'?

sheesh I am out of the loop

[Bacde]

we are lynching messiah today I'm pretty sure

No No messiah is town.

Why are you interested in getting him lynched?

Also, What happened to your gut read on Cryo?

gut read on cryo dropped after yesterday ended up being a scum lynch

[Bacde]

just read the past few pages

buldermar is town

there is probably a scum in majiffy/piratecat

[Bacde]

I'm down to get fitz

[Bacde]

You know I'm going to literally stab the next person that calls us scum. If it's not multi-ball we are town as Slandaar wouldn't have tried to push a guilty on his own team member. If it's multi-ball we are STILL town regardless of who the other team is. I'm starting to think no one listens to us.

I'm asking questions regarding Multi-ball because if it is Multi-ball.. We need all the information we can get rather then none from people's flavours.

based on what I've seen between the interactions of you and majiffy I think one of you is scum

this is entirely NOT based on the fact that slandaar tried to get you lynched by claiming guilty, which semi-clears you

[Bacde]

Unvote

are you saying that you are suspicious of me now?

[Bacde]

im down to lynch mac based on that post

[Bacde]

guys I think buldermar is town

[Bacde]

maybe this is a good wagon for info and stuff but its not the right lynch today

not by a longshot

[Bacde]

ew rude

[Bacde]

say pretty please?

[Bacde]

guys I think buldermar is town

maybe this is a good wagon for info and stuff but its not the right lynch today

not by a longshot

say pretty please?

That is the fastest U-turn I have ever,

ever

seen anyone make and I can see why people really don't like that slot.
From "I think he's town" to "well, maybe for info" to "ehh, ask nicely" in 4 posts (one omitted because it was even more useless than the rest of Bacde's posting).

sheesh don't get your panties in a bunch you didn't even let me not vote buldermar

oh wait I never did vote buldermar

its like maybe I never intended on voting buldermar in the first place

[Bacde]

also I said the wagon was good for info

but I pretty clearly said that the lynch was bad

so I was pretty clear about how I my difference in opinion about those two different concepts

[Bacde]

im almost down to lynch knight of cydonia

almost

[Bacde]

im almost down to lynch knight of cydonia

almost

"I want a wagon run up on this person I have called town with no basis and in the face of him blatantly lying at least once, but I don't want to lynch him, I just want people on the wagon so hat I can judge them for it."

say pretty please?

Yeah, this is the kind of thing someone who doesn't want to jump on a wagon says. TOTALLY.

Pedit:

im almost down to lynch knight of cydonia

almost

Oooh, and now OMGUS too, wow. You really are as stupid as your posts elsewhere on the site lead me to think, that's amazing.

basically you saying that you think I'm stupid reveals that you know I'm town

boom lock-and-loaded confirmed scum here

Vote: Knight of Cydonia

[Bacde]

ew rude

say pretty please?

Gender slip. You're a woman now.

Also, pretty please?

lol you really have no idea

[Bacde]

im almost down to lynch knight of cydonia

almost

"I want a wagon run up on this person I have called town with no basis and in the face of him blatantly lying at least once, but I don't want to lynch him, I just want people on the wagon so hat I can judge them for it."

what did he blatantly lie about?

[Bacde]

you're a tranny?

you're a dumbass

[Bacde]

kk will do

[Bacde]

yeah you didn't catch buldermar in a lie buddy

sorry this wagon is shitty and you look really shitty right now majiffy

You aren't mafia with Knight of Cydonia are you?

probably not

Unvote; Vote: Majiffy

[Bacde]

Glue Huffer's Anonymous meeting is here.

oh shit this is awesome

where did you find this great website

[Bacde]

Glue Huffer's Anonymous meeting is here.

oh shit this is awesome

where did you find this great website

dude I can find anything I want here

how did you hear about google?

[Bacde]

LYNCH THIS.

Oh right it was just OMGUS bullshit you wanted to explain away by "meta I can't reveal".

Really I was too lazy to figure out why I read you as scum in the first place, but why not pretend like it's meta instead?

I'm not going to explain why Majiffy is scum because it is based on meta and I play a lot of games with him.

LYNCH THIS.

this doesn't look like a lie

if anything, this looks like its

extra true

since buldermar isn't making shit up to convince us, hes just telling it like it is

You pushing on it this ridiculously hard makes you look like scum who is pushing a lynch for something that is "technically" scummy (lying) but not actually scummy at all, that way when buldermar flips town you can be all "whaaa?" like you had no idea

[Bacde]

you didn't understand me

a lot of times people misinterpret me

I'm saying that you are calling out buldermar on a technicality, and that he didnt actually lie in the way you are acting like he did, and that you didn't give the situation at hand a good subjective viewpoint based on context

its the type of argument that scum like to make, since its safe

[Bacde]

messiah you're very respectful and I thank you for that

and I demand the right to hold a contrarian opinion in this thread

I will use my mod-granted longshot rifle to back up my right to do so so you have been warned

pedit nevermind

[Bacde]

I don't think you would be misunderstanding the meaning of the posts if you had read the rest of Buldermar's posts after that, though. That's what I'm saying. You can only go so long not reading and flailing about with random accusations before it starts to become incredibly annoying.

Ok I'm gonna read the rest of his posts after that right now

[Bacde]

lol

buldey I know you are grinning as you type all of this out you scummy little scummery scumscum you.

you got your hand caught in the cookie jar

You're mistaking. Like I've said previously, I don't lose games as scum. You're best off lynching me when you can't find a single reason to do so, not when you think there is a trillion of reasons. This is because I'm well capable of manipulating you succesfully. In this game, I havn't really done anything to live up to my reputation as town, I know that. But I also have made a lot of mistakes that I would have never made had I been scum.

If you want to, you can ask me questions now. I'll answer them carefully and detailed. I'll reread things to do so. It's entirely up to you, but I don't think you really have anything to lose from it.

I'm sorry that I havn't really been taking this game seriously and that I havn't done much to contribute. I do have excuses, but that's besides the point.

Your defence is "I don't lose as scum and you want to lynch me here so clearly I'm not scum"?
Really?

My defence against what? I'm still waiting for the reasons why I'm considered scum. The fact that I do not lose as scum is nothing but that - a fact. I'll defend myself once I understand why people think I'm scum,

aside from the fact that I've been trolling and I havn't been following the game carefully and I have been lying.

For what it's worth,

all of these are not alignment indicative as the more experienced players in this game will know.

right here

whats not to believe about this post?

I am one of those more expierenced plahyers that buldermar is talking about

I can see truth!

[Bacde]

Ok thats actually a pretty good argument and is true

if we don't get rid of buldermar now he will stay til lylo and thats 100% true

[Bacde]

which would be bad for town

[Bacde]

Alright buldermar you should claim because I'm claiming

Intent to hammer

premptively

meaning as soon as you are at L-1

[Bacde]

I'm gonna choose whichever option results in you having a lower opinion of me

[Bacde]

cuz however you wanna insult me, I'm town so whatever

[Bacde]

seriously dude you need to learn to be happy when people come to your side of the bandwagon

[Bacde]

geez all these people with all these opinions about what I'm doing wrong

you guys are like buzzing flies

buzz buzz buzz in my ear

*swats hand*

[Bacde]

Wh...

What the....

What the FUCK?

If Buldermar and Bacde both flip scum (which I'm getting a sneaking suspicion might happen), I will forever refer to this game as "The game in which scum lit themselves on fire and ran around screaming for no apparent reason."

Jeebus.

how awesome would that be

[Bacde]

geez all these people with all these opinions about what I'm doing wrong

you guys are like buzzing flies

buzz buzz buzz in my ear

*swats hand*

Refusal to answer questions noted.
Here's our next lynch kids.

lol why are you so hypersensitive

do you think I have read the thread or not based on the way I've been playing

[Bacde]

if AP was still alive he'd townread me



never forget AP 4/4/2013

he'd probably retract his townread like twice though before finally deciding that i was scum and power mislynching me d5 though

[Bacde]

i sense skepticism...

[Bacde]

FINE, THEN I WILL HAMMER BULDERMAR RIGHT NOW

Vote: Buldermar

[Bacde]

ok so I count 9 votes on buldermar pretty sure thats a wrap

[Bacde]

[Bacde]

hey whats up I'm still alive cool

I think we're lynching either Majiffy or KoC today for their ridiculously false and overbearing stances against me yesterday when I thought it was possible for buldermar to flip town

[Bacde]

kk good luck

you sound caught btw

[Bacde]

...see now I'm fucking worried because the guy I'm voting for lurking through the game is buddying up to me in the most transparent way possible on the guy I want to lynch because his entire playstyle consists of "you attacked me? must be scum! LOL I'M GOOD AT THIS GAME".
Admittedly that is assuaged a little by the fact that bork probably has some buddies out there on top of the remaining Locust, but still.

whats awesome is that I'm the one who just replaced into a game and didn't read anything yet was still able to see buldermar was town; and for some reason you are making fun of

my

playing ability

but its ok you can go ahead and strong-arm your way into getting everything done your way, without considering the intelligence of your peers

[Bacde]

also viomi tends to push on me when she is scum, at least in my experience

[Bacde]

...see now I'm fucking worried because the guy I'm voting for lurking through the game is buddying up to me in the most transparent way possible on the guy I want to lynch because his entire playstyle consists of "you attacked me? must be scum! LOL I'M GOOD AT THIS GAME".
Admittedly that is assuaged a little by the fact that bork probably has some buddies out there on top of the remaining Locust, but still.

whats awesome is that I'm the one who just replaced into a game and didn't read anything yet was still able to see buldermar was town; and for some reason you are making fun of

my

playing ability

but its ok you can go ahead and strong-arm your way into getting everything done your way, without considering the intelligence of your peers

...do I even need to explain what a pile of crap this and the rest of Bacde's posting has been, or can everyone see it? Because I'm really not in the mood to detail exactly why this is both stupid as fuck and scummy?

I know you don't think its possible that I could have possibly seen buldermar as town when you didn't

hell, you even did a good job of making me feel stupid for thinking buldermar was town

but maybe its time to deal with your inferior mafia prowess

and let the big boys carry the team

[Bacde]

lol if you'd notice I haven't really been trying to lead the team

right now I'm mostly toying with you

I think your vote is an emotional overreaction, and if it is, then you are town

which means we should probably lynch majiffy or viomi today

[Bacde]

I don't see how me thinking buldermar was town was convenient?

if anything it was inconvenient since now everybody and their moms thinks that I have extra knowledge for some reason, plus it made everyone think I was scum yesterday

plus I was talked into using my double-vote to lynch buldermar anyway

Why would I have defended buldermar for town-cred but hammer him anyway? You aren't making sense. You genuinely made me feel stupid for thinking buldermar was town yesterday which is why I hammered; so right now I feel justified to toy with you.

I think you are forgetting that I'm a powa-role-playa so lets get majiffy or viomi

[Bacde]

First off, LOL all 3 of the Carmines died last night. I'm sure Venmar got a huge chuckle out of that.

Secondly, there are 12 players left, and assuming only 2 scum teams, there are likely 2 scum of each faction left (Stranded/Locust). That makes it 8-2-2.

Third, today is the day I will try to catch up and make sure some good shit happens. This is your Captain, er, Colonel, speaking. (Uber)

Are you ready to rock and roll, boys and girls?

yeah also you asked me about my gut-scum read on cryo which was weird seeing as the read was mostly a joke

[Bacde]

I can OMGUS this

Vote: Majiffy

I was actually just reading my ISO and it looked like I was building up to this vote anyway

[Bacde]

I think Viomi isn't mafia-aligned and majiffy (who is mafia aligned) wants to keep us from that lynch (to either avoid a jester lynch or save the mislynch for later)

Viomi could be anti-town but I'm guessing Majiffy here is mafia

[Bacde]

Oh wait we have 2 mafias here nvm they could both be mafia

jeez everyone in this game is a freakin scumbag

@Ms M you aren't mafia w/ majiffy are you?

[Bacde]

I can OMGUS this

Vote: Majiffy

I was actually just reading my ISO and it looked like I was building up to this vote anyway

And you wonder why I think you're scum.
"My ISO looks like I could twist it to fit this, so I'll just OMGUS anyway". Not "I was gonna do this anyway and here's why".
Bacde wagon is comfy as all hell son. Plenty of room for more bitches. All aboard.

lol you are seriously pushing on a PR who outted just to get the person you wanted to be lynched yesterday under rope



deal w/ my playstyle, its not alignment indicative btw

[Bacde]

Why do you think Jiffy is mafia?

Pedit:

His push yesterday on buldermar was really bad, plus he is voting me today despite me being obviously town

KoC I can buy voting me, since I'm purposely pissing him off (its too easy) and we have a history together

Also he said he would generate more content or something and instead he decided to sheep onto me

also for some reason yesterday I felt like one of piratecat/majiffy was mafia and now piratecat is dead so

[Bacde]

I can OMGUS this

Vote: Majiffy

I was actually just reading my ISO and it looked like I was building up to this vote anyway

And you wonder why I think you're scum.
"My ISO looks like I could twist it to fit this, so I'll just OMGUS anyway". Not "I was gonna do this anyway and here's why".
Bacde wagon is comfy as all hell son. Plenty of room for more bitches. All aboard.

I'm actually not wondering why you think I'm scum. Its pretty easy to tell that you just don't like me and thus

want

me to be scum.

In fact, I bet that even if you lynched me you wouldn't re-read the game to see where you went horribly horribly wrong since you are that obstinate and self-grandiose

[Bacde]

I can OMGUS this

Vote: Majiffy

I was actually just reading my ISO and it looked like I was building up to this vote anyway

And you wonder why I think you're scum.
"My ISO looks like I could twist it to fit this, so I'll just OMGUS anyway". Not "I was gonna do this anyway and here's why".
Bacde wagon is comfy as all hell son. Plenty of room for more bitches. All aboard.

lol you are seriously pushing on a PR who outted just to get the person you wanted to be lynched yesterday under rope



deal w/ my playstyle, its not alignment indicative btw

Your playstyle is at best extremely anti-town and your "PR" is also not alignment indicative.

"Deal w/it."
And stop trying to bring outside issues into a game, unlike you I have enough sense to not do something so blatantly stupid (and more anti-town, since bringing non-game related issues into a game just obfuscates the issues).

Yeah my PR (no quotations) is technically not alignment indicative but do you really think that I would have outted like that as a mafia just to get a mislynch through that would have occurred anyway?

Like, think through the thoughts you are thinking before you decide they are correct

my play is actually extremely protown since I always share my opinion about events, I am a polarizing player, and I don't take shit from mafia or horribly wrong town. Also I am voting mafia (which you aren't doing)

[Bacde]

Woah I'm at L-3?

lol shitwagon

[Bacde]

I guess I would be willing to lynch Viomi but I would rather get Majiffy

[Bacde]

Do you people really think there's a scum double-voter in a multiball game?

...

Neither do I.

Can you summarize for me why AP and mastin2 wanted you to be lynched?

[Bacde]

Do you people really think there's a scum double-voter in a multiball game?

...

Neither do I.

Fun Fact: Outguessing the Mod has a 100% accuracy rate!

Fun Fact: Majiffy is scum

and should have known that buldermar was town

and should be able to tell that I'm town right now

[Bacde]

also viomi tends to push on me when she is scum, at least in my experience

"tends to"????

What the fuck
We've played in one game together

I thought you were scummy so I went after you

And by doing so in this game that makes me scum?

#logic

I'm on my phone now Nero, sorry. It's post 2197.

Viomi, you

are

ANG. Surprise!

Well I mean yes I'm the same slot but I'm not HIM. I can't defend against anything he did, so.

well the one time we played together you were scum and you pushed on me so as of right now with the evidence I have I see a 100% rate of this behavior occuring

so yeah I'd consider that a "tendancy"

[Bacde]

Do you people really think there's a scum double-voter in a multiball game?

...

Neither do I.

Fun Fact: Outguessing the Mod has a 100% accuracy rate!

basically there's no way majiffy is this retarded

he is scum, plain and simple

[Bacde]

Woah I'm at L-3?

lol shitwagon

Also I love how this is his only defense

Therefore making me want him dead even more :/

should I have a better defense? I don't really understand what I'm being accused of besides having a good read on buldermar yesterday

[Bacde]

and should have known that buldermar was town

and should be able to tell that I'm town right now

Why and why.

can't talk about that

[Bacde]

...see now I'm fucking worried because the guy I'm voting for lurking through the game is buddying up to me in the most transparent way possible on the guy I want to lynch because his entire playstyle consists of "you attacked me? must be scum! LOL I'M GOOD AT THIS GAME".
Admittedly that is assuaged a little by the fact that bork probably has some buddies out there on top of the remaining Locust, but still.

whats awesome is that I'm the one who just replaced into a game and didn't read anything yet was still able to see buldermar was town; and for some reason you are making fun of

my

playing ability

but its ok you can go ahead and strong-arm your way into getting everything done your way, without considering the intelligence of your peers

(Just an FYI I'm pretty sure Cydonia is a lot more logical than you from what I've seen )

also viomi tends to push on me when she is scum, at least in my experience

You were obviously trying to misrep me as a defense. I'm tired of you not being dead so... Hurry up and die already .~.

eh Cydonia is probably more logical than me but that doesn't make him correct

players who are locked into a "logical-only" type playstyle are often offended (by offended I mean assume that I'm scum) by my whimsical antics

tbh I'm not sure if you are scum or not but unless you vote majiffy and turn this into a viable bandwagon you are probably getting lynched. Sorry

[Bacde]

...this (Bacde/Viomi) is reading a lot like an argument that has scum on at least one side of it. Viomi's logic is better, I'm just worried it's only because she's finally under some pressure. Bacde just reads like a LOT of flailing and alternating between "you're better than this, you're town come on" and "you're better than this so you're scum" appeals.
Could one of you give us a link to this game which Bacde's case appears to be built on?

The game in question is right here:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=25439

It was also a Venmar-mod which is cool

note that I exhibited a similar whimsical playstyle, and also note that viomi pushed on me as scum (I think) because she thought I would be an easy ML

[Bacde]

...this (Bacde/Viomi) is reading a lot like an argument that has scum on at least one side of it. Viomi's logic is better, I'm just worried it's only because she's finally under some pressure. Bacde just reads like a LOT of flailing and alternating between "you're better than this, you're town come on" and "you're better than this so you're scum" appeals.
Could one of you give us a link to this game which Bacde's case appears to be built on?

I think reading this post might help you gain some insight into how I play this game

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4696085

Whats interesting to note about this post is that just two (2) posts before it, I had a completely different read on a player in the game, before switching it back at someone's request. I was town. Viomi pushed on me for that post, and was scum

I honestly don't even understand why Viomi is voting me today?

[Bacde]

and should have known that buldermar was town

and should be able to tell that I'm town right now

Why and why.

can't talk about that

LOL

You realize that in my eyes, this post confirms you as scum

[Bacde]

I just wanna say that right now I have 100% faith in my majiffy-scum read so even if I get lynched I want him gone the next day

[Bacde]

...so because you played like a VI with Viomi before and as scum she got an easy mislynch because of it, she shouldn't want to lynch you for playing like a VI again and the fact that she does makes her scummy?
Except, uh... you weren't mislynched that game. You were nightkilled. And the town mason/vig (DGB) agreed that you looked like a horrible scum player too, early on D1, before you were shot by the scum much later in the game after getting nowhere near being lynched during. Doesn't read like someone who pushed on you expecting an easy ML to be honest. In fact, the scum QT reveals they shot you for being one of the more active players.
Not sure I buy it.

uh, I never said she got an easy mislynch?

I'm glad you read the game though

part of my whole argument is that I think she was pushing on what she thinks is an easy ML but actually isnt--I'm hard to lynch when I'm town (which you are discovering)

A big part of our disagreement has to do with my playstyle--you are saying that I played as a VI yet obviously I was enough of a town power to be targetted to be killed

I'm not bad at this game dude

now unvote me and vote for the real scum which is majiffy. He can't even make an argument besides just repeating what I'm saying (lol)

[Bacde]

Also, if you think I play as a VI as town and you've been calling me an idiot all game, aren't I playing to my town meta?

[Bacde]

okay, I can understand you thinking that my playstyle is a null tell.

I'm cool with that, I never purported that it was a towntell (I just brought it up b/c I thought you were using it as a scumtell)

I guess I'm done defending myself from you? I dunno what else you want since I'm town and you voted me for the post I made to purposely piss you off (which is why I don't think you are being perfectly logical right now)

[Bacde]

just please promise me that you notice that you actually have reasoning or whatever for voting me

but majiffy is literally just trying balls-out to get the lynch through with no thought process whatsoever

just don't be blind to that please

[Bacde]

and your case on me is...?

[Bacde]

Basically my case on you is:

1) Based on your interactions w/ piratecat yesterday I figured one of the two of you were mafia (and now piratecat is dead)
2) You pushed on buldermar despite him being town, when I think you should have seen that buldermar was town and I think you should understand why I also saw buldermar as town
3) You are pushing on me today with no reasoning and now are acting like I am "confirmed" scum despite you having no reasoning to hop the BW in the first place
4) You are actually pretty good at reading me when I am town, which you have failed to do this game (because yesterday everyone was like "LOLZ LYNCH BULDER GET BACDE NEXT" which you decided to just slip into w/ everyone else)

basically, I can understand where KoC is coming from, but you I have no idea

[Bacde]

Excellent retort young laddie! I could have never seen that coming!


Your general interaction re: my push on Buldermar.

lol so basically you got nothin and you still tried to discredit me anyway?

[Bacde]

it sucks that its really easy for town to make a quick post w/ their thoughts, doesn't it majiffy?

its like so easy for me to make a case about why I think you are scum

because I actually do

[Bacde]

if you are gonna make me go through the effort of "quoting" and "reasons to support" and stuff like that then you have to do it too

I'm not going to talk to you more about point 2) because it should be really fucking obvious what I'm referring to here. There is a site-wide rule against talking more about point 2 so I'm not gonna do it.

[Bacde]

I like how you responded to me to try to discredit my case

but you never actually came up with your own about me

you look like a proactive town player to me

oh wait

[Bacde]

There is a site-wide rule against talking more about point 2 so I'm not gonna do it.

Cop-out. What did he do in this game that was so town I should have seen it?

he was being incompetent and wasn't caught in a game-affecting lie, just a dumb one about explaining his reads

Buldermar appears competent as scum, he really does

Also I just remembered that you wanted him lynched after he had a scum-read on you (but wasn't able to fully explain it to your satisfaction)

why are you trying to get everyone with a scum-read on you lynched?

[Bacde]

lol the way you use logic confirms you as scum

You aren't using logic to guide your reads, you are using it as a tool to PROVE that other's arguments can TECHNICALLY be considered incorrect

its the same way how you said you caught buldermar in a "lie"--well the lie was a little white lie that really didn't affect the game that much yet you turned it into a big deal so he got lynched for it

the way you repeat "he was scummy" over and over again is indicative of the way that

you are avoiding taking the blame

for buldermar's mislynch. And you are clearly trying to diffuse the impetus behind the buldermar lynch to hide better.

Guess what buckaroo--he wasn't scummy. He was just misinterpreted

You are harping on me to talk about something that I'm not allowed to talk about.

I refuse to talk about an ongoing game

but I DO think you had the capability to see that buldermar was town in that situation, and I believe you purposely pushed to have him lynched to further your scumgenda

[Bacde]

and Bacde is

retardedly town

absolutely correct on both words

[Bacde]

this is honestly the first I've heard about qwints

I dunno who is really in this game and I didn't see d1

[Bacde]

lol ms marangal you are very helpful this game

although it is hard for me to believe that you, and the three people following you, can all somehow be town

[Bacde]

I never said that

[Bacde]

Says the self-admitted retard.

I never said that

and Bacde is

retardedly town

absolutely correct on both words

LOLOL

I deny the existence of that post

[Bacde]

and Bacde is

retardedly town

absolutely correct on both words

this is the post that I deny existence of. Post 2538 doesn't exist

[Bacde]

Also wanted to say I actually think viomi is town now

I was upset with her at the time but after an ISO read she looks good to go

[Bacde]

Cause I can picture Qwints saying

"Maybe I should vote him to not look suspicious?".

And then that night Bacde:
"Don't vote me nonononono!" (Cause that's how bacde is)

So then he just drops it.
But idk, maybe it's a tad far fetched.

i could see this

[Bacde]

lolol, Maybe but I really am thinking Bacde is Obv town.

Pedit: really?

thanks for that

you got my double vote

you want it on qwints?

[Bacde]

cuz this is the first I've seen of qwints shitty vote on me either today and yesterday, and he should eat rope for that

[Bacde]

Cause I can picture Qwints saying

"Maybe I should vote him to not look suspicious?".

And then that night Bacde:
"Don't vote me nonononono!" (Cause that's how bacde is)

So then he just drops it.
But idk, maybe it's a tad far fetched.

I like how you assume that you know me

really makes the basis of your argument look really good

[Bacde]

I dunno I've made that mistake with town-qwints before

we just need to wait until he shows up

[Bacde]

People are waiting for the aforementioned lurkers to respond to shit/post at all. So the game slowly dies off because those players have no intention of actually contributing.

QFT

[Bacde]

tbh my delayed omgus is kinda funny

@qwints, serious question, how useful has your slot been?

[Bacde]

wagon mac?

I'm still not sold on messiah-town, as much as she is helping me out by saying that I'm town

[Bacde]

in fact

Vote: Mac

since this is how qwints always plays I cant tell with this dude

[Bacde]

Yeah I echoed the sentiment but if you look at my posts you can see that I wanted to wait for qwints before voting him, this was due to me knowing that he always plays like this

post for proof:

I dunno I've made that mistake with town-qwints before

we just need to wait until he shows up

[Bacde]

Unvote

since I agree that mac is townish

[Bacde]

sup everyone.

Unvote

I'm a pretty fast reader but I'll probably need a day or two to catch up.

WTF IS THIS BULLSHIT

NO WAY AM I DEALING WITH THIS SHIT AGAIN IN ANOTHER ONE OF MY GAMES WTF

[Bacde]

@Mod, please replace me in this game I'm tired of dealing w/ Rubicon[\b]

[Bacde]

Err, disregard last post I may have gotten a little carried away

@Majiffy I miss you man

[Bacde]

me either qwints

me either

[Bacde]

Vote: DGB

DGB is "playing" DGB

she's not legit

she's mafia

[Bacde]

I wanna see it

[Bacde]

oh ok

I'm a town-aligned double-voter

and

WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE

WE WERENT MASSCLAIMING YOU MOTHERFUCKER

LYNCH DGB PLEASE I CANT BELIEVE SHE MADE MAJIFFY LEAVE

[Bacde]

I could also see a Mac/Guile team tbh

[Bacde]

I'm fine with letting Majiffy's replacement catch up. If this wagon dies though, it will be nearly impossible to get it going again. I also have a decently strong scum read on that slot without the whole DGB related shitstorm. That was scummy too but that was just icing on a huge gut cake that I have spent weeks baking. So that slot is ripe to lynch.

"i'm fine with this wagon that I think is scum, but I'm going to try and start up another, completely unrelated wagon, just 'cause".
Sounds like someone wants to be seen to be bussing Rubicon just in case his lynch does go through (it totally should) while starting up a backup wagon in case his new buddy wriggles out.

Its like, I really wanted KoC to be scum here

but this is a really good point

[Bacde]

I could also see a Mac/Guile team tbh

since I agree that mac is townish

So what made you change from townish to scummy?

I dunno dude I don't really remember what made him townish in the first place

anyway "seeing a team" is different than "making an accusation" so clearly I'm still in the "figuring out the jumble in my brain" phase of today

[Bacde]

Don't worry, so will everyone else.

Vote: KoC

I'm willing to back you up

(I realize this is a big change but your post got to me)

[Bacde]

the biggest fucking retard I have ever had the misfortune to meet in a game of Mafia

dude when I hopped in I backed you up

I hammered your top scumread

then you decided to wagon me as a response

Even though I'm a PR

and continually insult me besides

I'm just trying to be a team player, and figure out who my team is

I'm pretty sure that's called playing mafia

please realize that I am a human being and I don't think you have the right to call me names reserved for your mother

[Bacde]

I wouldn't mind getting jiffy's slot lynched now either, though he was leaning town while KoC was leaning scum so I would prefer him over rubicon

I refuse to believe that all of your sheep are town

we have to figure out which ones are scum

probably most of them

maybe even you

[Bacde]

ITT mafia is a high-stress game

pedit -- aww you're such a goofball

[Bacde]

Colonol Guile you are 3rd party this game right?

Cuz you are doing that thing where you are both nice and slightly stupid

[Bacde]

Colonol Guile you are 3rd party this game right?

As if this game isn't depressing enough, you have to bring up third parties. Good job.

I can do what I want though I'm PR

and weak PR at that

stop using your rock-hard scumtells DGB (such as the "two-townies fighting tell"), you are way better at reading emotions methinks

[Bacde]

"two-townies fighting tell"

I used that one only when I'm scum.

what about breaking bad mafia? Thats the only time I've seen you use that tbh

[Bacde]

there is only a few that I advocated for, and it is only those that I ended up sheeping.

I'm talking about YOUR sheep

the ones that all followed you onto qwints

[Bacde]

technically one more vote

KoC is at L-1 so he should probably claim

[Bacde]

which mislynch seems most optimal for a potential town win?

[Bacde]

And JFC, the more I read this game, the more I think Bacde needs to be dead.

Bacde, if you're playing a "too openly scummy to actually be scum" gambit, you're doing it spectacularly.

I'm actually playing a "too openly scummy to actually be scum" gambit as town

lol I wanna see you respond to this post

[Bacde]

Unvote

for now

KoC is at L-1 (with my double vote)

so he should claim

[Bacde]

Never mind, I finally noticed that bacde is a double voter and this is twilight. I'm going to post what I have now, in case I die during the night. This is a (somewhat rushed) rough draft of what I was going to post, so some of it isn't as developed as I wanted.

Town reads

Messiah is town because of his claim, catching Slandaar, blah blah blah.

Viomi is also town. Posts 2452, 2453, 2489, 2622, 2624, 2627, and 2628 are

either

a town replacement who genuinely did not feel like reading the thread, or scum trying to make people think that. (Scum Viomi would probably know who she replaced.) I've looked through Viomi's meta (and Chrimi's) and do not feel like this is how she plays as scum. Also, if she is scum, it's either with bork or Slandaar. The ANG / bork interaction does not look scummy to me (I've read the case for that, but I disagree) and Viomi / Slandaar requires heavy bussing from both parties, which I do not buy.

Knights of Cydonia / his replacement is town. In order for KoC to be scum, he would need to have said to himself "wow, Majiffy just ragequit and was at L-1 in a few hours,

I should totally do the same, what could go wrong?

" His ragequit post was also 100% accurate, so... coming from a player who has been so completely reasonable the entire game, I would say he is town. (I guess we'll find out soon, though.)

The Goat looks townish to me. I agree with Messiah in post 1189. I don't feel strongly about this read, however.

Scum reads

I see why majiffy et al were on qwints, but I'd like to know if people agree with this

I'm not a big fan of the Qwints wagon 'cause he always plays like this regardless.

because this is not my own meta-impression of qwints but I don't have much experience with him. Could you guys elaborate on this and say specifically what you think qwints is doing that he always does, comment on his IIoA, etc.

I strongly dislike Ms Marangal's early game attack on Goat and her "claim" in 664, 668 looks like some bullshit.

Angelious Nero's case on Mac is unusually weak and seems to be based on a misunderstanding. Nero's had opportunity to realize it was a misunderstanding and is still pushing it, so this looks weird. My impression of Nero is that he pushes hard on particular players he wants dead, but he usually has much clearer reasoning (even when I disagree with it). I also don't like the early game "oh I'm so bored and didn't want to play this game anyway" lurking.

Null reads

Mac (Nero's specific case is weak, but I need to read Mac's ISO more to know if there's something else there)
DGB/CryoNudist (if scum, probably with bork due to interaction with Slandaar)
Guile (also more likely connection with bork due to Slandaar's hydra confusion)
bacde

These players are null either because they haven't posted much content (and I haven't had time to do relational analysis) or because I just didn't get a chance to ISO them yet. Will develop these reads more tomorrow if I'm still around.

we aren't in twilight fyi

[Bacde]

I just iso'd Bacde and I have a infallible read that he's town.

I'm a way better mislynch, I want your vote back.

I'm having a hard time believing that you have any "infallible" way to read me

[Bacde]

^^I've seen scums ask towns why their buddies look town all the time

[Bacde]

I'm thinkin about the hammer

when you gonna pound it?

when you gonna pound it?

...

I'm thinkin about the hammer

when you gonna pound it?

when you gonna pound it?

[Bacde]

^^What makes it sad?

[Bacde]

If I hit KoC can we get Nero tomorrow?

if KoC is scum, sure

if not then tomorrow is gonna be one big ball of crazy

[Bacde]

I'm thinkin about whether or not I want to send in my PM to Venmar which will make the hammer

[Bacde]

I get cold feet lol

[Bacde]

the thing is, KoC doesn't have a chance at defending himself

and he never got a replacement

[Bacde]

yeah whatever its not mairrage DGB if you are scum you manipulated me well for this lynch

[Bacde]

the goat I'm down to lynch someone who isn't me

since I'm town

who is better?

lol Venmar PMed me back telling me that I'm not even voting for KoC (I thought I was) so you got some time to sell me on a case before I hammer

[Bacde]

One time I got a mafia role PM--SO EMBARASSING!

NEVER AGAIN

[Bacde]

This game was great, btw I can't believe that I called out both Majiffy AND KoC as scum (though I htought they were on different teams)

I was mostly sheeping AP's messiah read, but I did fully believe in it (and he was right!)