Gears of War Mafia - ( Game Over! )

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I have never seen so much flavour before; I almost feel like I should read it as clearly a lot of effort was put in. Maybe Later.

also;

VOTE: Mac

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You love me really AP.

Who are you Cryo?

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We need to get to page 2 it is annoying scrolling for 5 hours to read a random vote.

Cryo: who?

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Good news everyone I am here!

This guy is scum;
VOTE: Cryo

I will read the other 13 pages sometime later.

Cryo is scum because he has never played with me before; says I am a good vote yet votes someone else who hadn't even posted ahead of me. Doesn't make any sense hes just scum trying to fit in.

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X/Y/Z: GOAT IS SCUM GET HIM

WhiteKnighter: The Goat is the greatest guy ever noone vote him! look at his posts the content is terrific you guys are the scum! goat is fantastic! Get this other guy instead!

Think Damsel in Distress; White Knight coming to save the day etc.

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I voted scum is what I did. I am not joking.

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Why is your identity such top secret information?

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I am absolutely certain Cryo is scum.

If that is your case, might want to try harder.

I make a case saying X; they say X isn't right because Y and in the same post say 'try harder if thats your case'

Doesn't make sense because with the information I had X was clearly completely correct and they gave no time for me to consider Y so to tell me to try harder only comes from scum; its fake; instead of seeing what I say they are instantly making accusatory remarks ie not trying to read me.

We only responded to this cuz it's recent.

This shows they are thinking about how they are perceived; they are simply responding to my vote on them if they are town there is no reason to explain why they responded to that and nothing else; they are saying this because they are thinking they may take heat for doing so, this line of thinking is scum.

Make it clearer (or try): all town would say is; 'Skimmed thread will catchup later just want to say; (insert response+quote here)' or something similar

Not '(insert response + quote here) we only responded to this cos its recent, will catchup later'

Its making excuses they don't need to as town; the Difference is the difference between town and scum.

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Town mastin would post during surgery imo.

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OK I read everything after being motivated by Mastins pro buddying technique

Town;
Bork
Mac
Mollie
Goat

Probably town;
Mastin
Jal

I think town:
Majiffy
NC

Undecided
AP

Might be scum
UN
GIF

Probably scum
KoC
ANG
Qwints
Maran

Scum
Cryo
Messiah

anyone I didn't put in this list I really don't have an opinion on; also; I didn't use hydra names because I mostly went from memory.

also; I expect this to be multiball.

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Slaandy is playing more towards town Slaandy. As in, he's actually doing crap.

Could you explain using different wording I am unsure which meaning you are going for.

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Have you ever seen me as scum Jal?

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Interesting

Can I guess who or do you want it to be a top secret aka cryo style?

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Super Secret. I flaked at one point.

By the way, Kthxbye is one of the heads of that hydra.

yes; the person I am thinking of flaked. I was like 95% I knew; now 99.9

Why tell me this now?

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This is exactly why I voted for you

^ Subconscious need to rationalize his actions

Basically this; I can't see that line coming from town in context it looks really ugly.

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Seriously, AA, use that little brain of yours and think through what us willing to 1v1 Messia when indeed multiple people have put us on a scum list actually means. What does it gain scum-us to be in a 1v1 situation when we are on multiple people's scum lists yet have (had) 1 total vote?

I shall explain it;

By agreeing to it Cryo wants people to think exactly what he just said ie 'What does it gain scum-us to be in a 1v1 situation when we are on multiple people's scum lists yet have (had) 1 total vote?'.

The fact of the matter is as town you should never need to try to manipulate reads on you just post content and be town. Which is why this comes from scum as they are trying to manipulate reads.

Also (as AP said); why would town ever agree to a 1v1 with someone they don't have a read on? it really makes no sense.

And Qwints point is very good also.

So;
KoC looks like scum, Qwints might actually be town. I also am currently thinking on Mollies hydra I might be wrong there some of the recent posting seems like scum.

Majiffy Cryo's #1 buddy might have something on AP, his defense was pretty terrible 'WHY ME??? WHY NOT THIS GUY OR THIS??? WHY YOU FOCUS ON ME???'

Anyways;
Please just lynch Cryo, he will flip scum. And; I should have more time for this game this weekend.

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In fact I am fairly sure Mollie is just Cryos buddy;

Okay. Why don't you interact with him to force a slip or a scummy comment instead of hanging back allowing the time to come?

also how long are you planning on staying away from cryo

I am almost certain Mollie KNOWS Cryo is scum.

Cryo first though, Cryo first.

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let me explain it more;
518 only has one outcome; Cryo is scum, instead of saying 'why not interact with him to get a better read' its 'why not interact with him to find out hes scum'

the second quote is a kind of preemptive accusation that they are buddies. Its some weird kind of attack but it really reads again like she knows that Cryo is scum. a bit like 'nananana im on cryo and you're not'

This Cryo lynch is really good

See it done town.

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Deliver to:
KoC
Gears of War Mafia
Mafia Scum

Hi Scum

Please bus Cryo

Many thanks
Slandaar and the rest of the town.

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lol

One sec, I will get right on that!

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I don't care about the vote switching

I do care about the way you were all 'oh but these votes what about these?!'

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AP I advise you to clear your mind if you are town, then come back and reread it yourself.

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but this seriously might put a hurt on that read.

This might put a hurt on that read = Scum

It either did or it didn't there is no might.

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@slaandar
do you remember how in the titanium game you thought I made a "slip" and then you trolleytacked on me like a mofo until I was lynched on d1? nearly ragequit the site after that, I have never seen such town stupidity from a lot of players but then my newbie game started and I met majiffy and maestro. do you also remember how I was right about hiraki and the NJAC slot? maybe you should go think about that. you are simply not as good as you think you are and you push horrible cases but I am chalking that up to the hubristic driven arrogance of youth which you need to get in check tbh.

I am sorry you felt this way; I felt you were scum so I wanted to lynch you. I have had a look as I couldn't remember my case and it was absolutely fine.
My ISO
I see nothing wrong with my ISO at all. I felt you were scum I wanted to lynch you; this happens all the time in mafia it does not mean the town was stupid.

On a side note; Guess how old I am; I am intrigued.

PS; one game is not a sample size;
Day 1 Reads
Dead
Endgame
Now you have a sample size of two.

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Back on topic; why did you post this?

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Cryo are you ignoring me?

I am fairly sure what Cryo just did is buddy super hard to AP and encouraged a 'war' between AP/Nero which was not needed at all. That nonsense actually makes sense from both sides its just ughhhhhhhhhh histroy. History which Cryo should if town have ignored.

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I find that impossible to believe.

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first off, the case was on town so it wasn't fine.

Lets just say we think about things in different ways.

I am never okay with lynching town but will do it if I have to.

I am highly competitive and have high standards and generally always aim for a perfect game (as in no town lynches).

Yes you are missing the whole point; I was town I didn't actually know who was town and scum. Obviously I wanted to lynch scum.

you come across as 18 but since you are asking I am guessing you must be a little older.

You are quite a long way off which I expected. I did anticipate a little older guess though.

cos I see you making the same mistake in this game as you made in that one and I don't want you to. it was very frustrating especially since you were my strongest town read and I was wanting to work with you. when you do this and do not even attempt to look at something from a different perspective it not only interferes with your scum hunting but mine too; I am getting a little bit of a town read on you so plz don't do that.

It's only a 'mistake' if I am wrong. You say you think Cryo is scum; I think he is; where is this huge mistake I am making then? He is the one I am zoned in on after all. Just act town if you in fact are instead of writing a wall appealing to me trying to persuade me I am wrong because I have been wrong before.

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What do you think about the piratecat Cryo?

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If Messiah is town and this is a town v town thing, it's going to backfire hard....

There is no way; There is just absolutely no way this hadn't crossed their mind during the first challenge which they claim now to be trolling which I highly doubt.

Really they are now enlightened all this time later? 'Oh if we 1v1 someone and we are both town this is bad for town!' This is completely obvious anyone would know this straight away...

You scared?

This reads so fake too.

They are posturing, they are posturing purposefully TO TRY TO LOOK TOWN this is obvious; they shouldn't need to do this as town; they are scum.

Their content post was quite good but its simply one post in a sea of scummyness; they are not town. The language they use and the sheer quantity of 'oh we are town we re sacrificial' without seeming to be the least bit frustrated is clearly scum.

also; they lied, they have played with me as town where I tunnelled; Its a bit stupid to do that as scum so its minor but it is manipulating evidence etc and its possible kthx didn't read Jals post earlier.

@Slandaar: "Forgot you were even in the game." -Cryonudist. You really think this is a lie? It feels a bit bold to actually be a lie given that their reactions to you are what made everyone start looking tat them in the first place. Dangerous WIFOM, I know, but I really would bet they flip town right now.

You would think they would look at where their wagon came from at least. So, yes. (unless they don't actually care because they are caught scum and assumed as such) I don't really see how town would just be like 'oh theres loads of people calling me scum well this seems normal after I have posted nothing all game.'

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Please lynch CryoNudist.

If I am somehow wrong lynch me tomorrow but there is no way I am.

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Cryo's scumreads summed up;

Slandaar Vote is good, Angelious is better...

Vote:Angelious Nero

I mean seriously

Hes scum, its obvious. There is no way that is coincidence.

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Oh, there you are Slandaar!

I wondered who dropped this down to me!

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Also lol @ Slandaar calling CN scummy for suggesting a 1v1, then

Please lynch CryoNudist.

If I am somehow wrong lynch me tomorrow but there is no way I am.

You seem to be missing a quote. Please fetch it.

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That doesn't say 1v1's are scummy.

Do you think that applies to me Majiffy? Or perhaps I just want to lynch Cryo because he is scum? you work it out.
Context; why does he want to enter a 1v1 with someone he didn't have a read on? difference is huge.

899; lol do you really think 327 is part of what I consider the case? obviously not. 348 is a scumtell; how about you explain why its not? part of its WIFOM to some degree but I stopped on the logical level which is how WIFOM works and how you determine scum from town tells. All tells are in essence WIFOM. Whats wrong with my associative tells again? They are good yes?

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Read the first page

There you go, proof its a scumtell; I knew from his first post he was scum.

Now you can explain why you think its not Majiffy.

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And 348 isn't a scumtell because I've done it plenty of times myself

as town.

Theres another one

Its a scumtell I really couldn't care less what you think.

I can't be bothered getting a ton of them to show. The fact is its theory and I stand by it, its how I play. You probably do believe what you say; but I believe what I say and its theory.

Whats wrong with my associative tells again? They are good yes?

They're on unflipped players, so no, they're not good.[/quote]
So? I should not point them out when I see them?

Majiffy is scum.

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You shouldn't use them as an argument to lynch a different player.

Nice OMGUS.

Well considering I am not actually trying to lynch them at all your argument holds no weight.

Does OMGUS mean anything Majiffy?

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I know, right? Its not super apparent until he makes a cse on you. Then you realize hes just full of it.

Basically my exact thoughts.

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If you're not trying to lynch Cryo, why is your vote on them, and why have you spent a good majority of your posts saying how scummy Cryo is?

I clearly am talking about PirateCat.

OMGUS means a lot when you suddenly call someone scum out of the blue because they called you out, yeah.

OMGUS is just a way to attempt to discredit someone who thinks someone who called them scum is scum.

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I clearly am talking about PirateCat.

And I was clearly talking about Cryo. Let's try to keep up, yeah?

Doesn't make sense to be talking about Cryo

Its part of a case on Pirate not Cryo, obviously.

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Majiffy is scum because all hes actually doing is attacking my playstyle

its late I will show it tomorrow.

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Read the first page

There you go, proof its a scumtell; I knew from his first post he was scum.

Now you can explain why you think its not Majiffy.

Great sample size of (1) one occurrence involving a different scenario from a different player.
That really strengthens your argument.

And 348 isn't a scumtell because I've done it plenty of times myself

as town.

OK the short version on why Majiffy is scum;

Does it matter who is ultimately right? I am very sure I am but there is also no reason for him to lie here as either alignment. Now; when I linked this example I proved beyond doubt I play this way, however he is suggesting its scummy to do so when I have proven I do this as town.


So what is his argument? What actually is his argument here?

There is nothing wrong with people using scumtells that are not actually scumtells as long as they believe they are scumtells. See the defining factor? the belief part, the rest is nonsense. I have an example(yes for a reason I will get to later); is pot calling the kettle black a scumtell? No. Yet many people suggest it is. Are they scum for suggesting it? no. Its like when a lurker calls a lurker scum and the second lurker goes pot calling the kettle black. Well True; but the fact is that doesn't mean they are scum or wrong at all.

So, Majiffy is suggesting that by using something I believe is a scumtell as a scumtell It somehow makes me scummy when I have proven I use it as a scumtell.

This is an attack on playstyle. He is not looking for the belief which is the factor to do with alignment.

He is scum.

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Except you were calling Cryo also-scum because of it. And said "Cryo first". And you're voting Cryo.

So... looks an awful lot like it's part of the case* on Cryo.

I never made an actual 'here is the case' post (I am getting to this too) if I had this would have been at the bottom in a section saying something like 'And when Cryo flips scum Pirate is very likely his buddy'

I never said Cryo is scum because of Associative tells hes scum for the other reasons; Majiffy is just focusing on something I mentioned once when I saw it to expand on why I think Pirate is scum. Why is he doing this? because hes scum.

In fact I think it is fairly clear hes chainsawing.

Tell me Majiffy;
What do you propose I do when I see such things? I see you ignored this question earlier.

Ah right; I just ignore them so that when I get nked noone can see what I was thinking. Seems good.

That's interesting. Your playstyle is always this piss poor? And it's always scum that attacks you for piss poor play? Well darnit, I must be scum then. Ya got me.

Is there a point to this?

I didn't. I thought that Slandaar was making his case against CN, and then turned around and stated that he wasn't trying to get them (CN) lynched. Slandaar is the one who then stated he was talking about you.

That bit a couple pages back where Slandaar and Majiffy got into it is a little hard to follow.

Well obviously I wasn't saying that.

I assumed he was talking about Pirate because that in my mind is who those posts (associative tells) incriminate. And its obvious I do because I subconsciously started talking about Pirate.

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Yeah this isn't very short

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Majiffys Case on Slandaar;

And to give you an idea of your "case" on Cryo up to the point where you suggested the 1v1:

[He says he's played with me before, he hasn't]

Proven wrong

This isn't part of my case, so what is it doing here?

[Awkward phrasing]

Not a scum tell

I have talked enough about this.

[WIFOM]

Because WIFOM arguments are winning arguments!

WIFOM accusation; Good Job. Doesn't actually argue the point; just tries to dismiss it as WIFOM.

[unflipped player is bussing Cryo]

Because unflipped associative tells always work!

Eh I have spoken about this also. But the point is he doesn't argue the content; just that I shouldn't be pointing out these things? why? Never answered.

Please lynch CryoNudist.

If I am somehow wrong lynch me tomorrow but there is no way I am.

And a 1v1.

This isn't part of my case either.

Majiffy actually ignored a few of my later arguments I assume because he had no witty remark for them.

More later.

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OK

Disecting Cryo's content to show Majiffy is scum due to impartiality note: I do not think anything said here makes Cryo scum (I actually like this post its the only one decent in their whole ISO) it makes Majiffy scum for 'reading' them town when the exact type of case he made on me can be made on them observe;

AP's reads like he is unsure about our alignment but has a gut read on us as town. He wants to pursue other avenues and actually lynch someone he has scum reads on, but will ultimately vote us as compromise.

Reading into how something is worded.

So, if wording can be used as a towntell it can also be used as a scumtell obviously.

so; Majiffy View: this is not a towntell.

AN's reads like they are very sure about AP being scum, but ultimately know nobody is going down that road today so in order to end the day, they are willing to kill Cryo instead of someone they think is scum. No need to further pursue the case on AP since lynching us is just as good of a mislynch as mislynching AP.

Same thing as above.

AP's post still includes questions that lead to better reads and making people post and not tunnel. AN's is simply 'let's get today over with so we are willing to join someone we think is scum in lynching Cryo'.

Same thing again

Lastly, and it's minor we know, look at the words used to talk about our death. AP says "lynch" and AN says "kill". It's highly a psychological argument and alone doesn't mean much, but combined with the other thoughts, we think it's more telling than not of each of their mindset's.

Awkward wording is a scumtell. (Majiffy: This is not a scumtell)

Then we have this post;

Fact: You most certainly sheeped AP and voted ANG. You voted yourself as well before that. Everyone I listed you have voted for, myself and ANG included

They voted all those people. So what? Voting all major wagons?

This is not a scumtell.

Fact: You only voted Jiffy AFTER KoC voted them. Please show us the post where you think you were calling Jiffy scum before the KoC vote...cuz...uh...we don't see it. You called him dumb as rocks at one point but...that's about it.

Ehhhhhhhhh

I want to say Proven Wrong. But I am not entirely convinced about this. There is some (minor) suspicion to be read in the post however so it is plausible.

Fact: Calling out someone for a bad hop onto us while doing the exact same thing (hopping poorly onto us) is the Pot calling the Kettle black.

Not a Scumtell (explained earlier)

Fact: "And I was actually the first to point out AP's bad wagon hop before Jiffy" is a straight up lie. Let us show you....

It is a 'lie' but why would scum lie about something provable? doesn't make much sense. More like they just misremembered events; Misremembering events is ; Not a scumtell.

So in all that there is one point that is fine.

Majiffy is scum because of the way he tried to dismantle my case when he can make the exact same arguments of Cryo if he wanted who he says he reads as town so why my content not Cryo's?

The main part is where Cryo is talking about wording which Majiffy adamantly tells me cannot be used; But his super town read Cryo uses it? Oh.

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KoC you want a case?
KoC is scum for implying he can't be scum unless there is a case on him.

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Pirate: How much do you know about GOW?

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KoC you want a case?
KoC is scum for implying he can't be scum unless there is a case on him.

...I... you... what.

Its a logical fallacy to suggest you can't be scum unless there is a case showing you are.

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So; if X is scum; Y says they think X is scum but has no case gut etc; X can't be scum?

I see.

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Very much like Slandaar vote for pretty much just #904 which is so dodgy; Majiffy is pointing out illogical play from Slandaar, and honestly the fact that Slandaar's got "You probably do believe what you say" (implying Majiffy is town?)

What is illogical in my play? Which of his points did you find actually good?

X thinks tunnel is a scumtell
X: This guys tunnelling its scummy!
If X is scum: He believes that tunnelling is scummy hence he can (and probably will) argue it; afterall hes not going to say 'Tunnelling isn't scummy' when someone could look into his meta and see otherwise (not always possible but the point remains) hes not just going to lie about it; scum don't just go about lying all the time; they don't leave huge clues for you to find them; they will try to argue things they think are right.

So, no, I implied nothing of the sort.

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No he didn't

I showed the evidence showing it is.

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Read my post on why hes scum.

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...I'm genuinely not sure if you're wilfully misinterpreting me at this point or just stupid.

...

Its a logical fallacy to suggest you can't be scum unless there is a case showing you are.

...no. No it isn't.

So; if X is scum; Y says they think X is scum but has no case gut etc; X can't be scum?

I see.

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My mistake; for whatever reason I thought it was him who was linking his own games. But still, tunneling is really obviously not a tell either way.

Who said Tunneling is a scumtell?

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I didn't explain why Majiffy is scum in that post; but its when I realised he was.

He ignored my evidence showing it is a scumtell; thats the basic principle of why hes scum.

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I don't have time to respond to all the nonsense.

Funny, nothing here that you've posted says anything about your meta. Looks like you're trying to back up some weak scumtell... which you were... which means you're lying again.

I showed as town I use awkward wording as scumtells; the point being if I do it once it shows I use them I could get a ton but it just is time and a lot of effort for something that is actually proven with one link.

Majiffy: WHAT YOU NEVER TALKED ABOUT YOUR META?!

Also note;

Majiffy says here I am 'trying to back up some weak scumtell' (talking about the awkward phrasing). Where he said previously it plain isn't and was very adamant. So is it or isn't it?

Someone lied; it wasn't me.

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@slaandar
do you remember how in the titanium game you thought I made a "slip" and then you trolleytacked on me like a mofo until I was lynched on d1? nearly ragequit the site after that, I have never seen such town stupidity from a lot of players

you are simply not as good as you think you are and you push horrible cases but I am chalking that up to the hubristic driven arrogance of youth which you need to get in check tbh.

slaandar looks awful. not the clear headed logical minded slaandar that I got to know in our previous game together.

lol

VOTE: PirateCat

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Also you didn't answer my question.

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oh like what pidgeywidgey did with us? but you are okay that he cherry picked and built a case around it that slaandar bit into?

Oh? Yet I had you scum a while ago? you OMGUSed me as I recall. Isn't that a scumtell? you seem to think so.

My case is thus; Pirate and Cryo are obviousl buddies I don't care which gets lynched first the quote below shows Pirate is clearly scum as there is a clear change of opinion of me from the one game we played together therefore she is changing her view to suit her needs.

That is the end of it; Pirate is obviously scum, Cryo is obviously scum; lynch them.

@slaandar
do you remember how in the titanium game you thought I made a "slip" and then you trolleytacked on me like a mofo until I was lynched on d1? nearly ragequit the site after that, I have never seen such town stupidity from a lot of players

you are simply not as good as you think you are and you push horrible cases but I am chalking that up to the hubristic driven arrogance of youth which you need to get in check tbh.

slaandar looks awful. not the clear headed logical minded slaandar that I got to know in our previous game together.

Whats her needs? the first quote was at a time I was tunnelling Cryo her buddy; the second is where I am leading wagon she wants to encourage the lynch.

No Problem town.

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KoC is scum because: (and I did show this before)

...I'm genuinely not sure if you're wilfully misinterpreting me at this point or just stupid.

Lets find out:

Its a logical fallacy to suggest you can't be scum unless there is a case showing you are.

It is a falsehood to suggest that you can't be scum unless there is a case showing you are.

The prime example of this is Thor, he does this as scum, suggesting that because there isn't a case he can't be scum. Which is clearly untrue

KoC:

...no. No it isn't.

How is it not a falsehood? let us look at this;

So; if X is scum; Y says they think X is scum but has no case gut etc; X can't be scum?

I see.

And then KoC is like STOP IGNORING MY POINT. What point? the spew about oh but if there are no cases then its all random accusations?

That has nothing to do with my case. At all.

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I will do a Majiffy case in a bit and then I am done arguing with all these scum its annoying.

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If your playstyle is scummy,

If my playstyle that I use in everygame is scummy ie 75% of the time I will flip town;

I'm going to lynch you for being scummy.

You can see hes scum from this alone; nowhere does he try to discern town from scum he just decides my playstyle is scummy. (scum thought process)

You still haven't explained why that makes me scum.

Because Majiffy is not trying to actually read me

Its a disguised kind of PL; My original case was; attack on playstyle; its the same thing

This quote proves it though.

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Simple is best, I need to remember that sometimes.

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The events are out of order. Good try though. I also like the part where you don't include my townmeta you have.

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Those are seriously the worst "cases" I've ever seen, Slandaar.

Oh?

Explain how Pirate isn't scum to me again

Use real simple english to show how her completely flipping what she said about me from the said game isn't scum.

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lol

No, I just know which looks the strongest as its a stonewall case.

the other 2 are a little less obvious but its still pretty clear.

I love the backtracking though.

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Do you think the Pirate case is good? Why is it you said all my cases were bad then go 'oh lol whoops' I meant only two of them!

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I currently have 5 scum voting me

Its actually hilarious.

[Slandaar]

in the titanium game his entrance into the titanium dead qt was: "smashboard was not the town leader he was only the pretender. I was the true town leader and that is why I was nked".

You misquoted me. I said something like that but the wording is completely off.

slaandar didn't have a single correct read the entire time.

NJAC

Oh.

And the townreads I was right on... Nice attempt at discrediting me.

[Slandaar]

Yeah, no. I also think it's pretty clear from the reasoning I gave as to why the cases were bad that I wasn't talking about the PirateCat case, which is a decent contradiction to point out. I also never thought too poorly of your Cryo case. Does that mean your exchanges and push on Majiffy and KoC aren't really fucking terrible? No.

I don't think it was clear at all in fact I think you are not telling the truth.

But whatever.

Explain the KoC one then; he is arguing a fallacy isn't a fallacy when it clearly is?

Good luck.

[Slandaar]

@ slaandar
me switching my opinion on a player or holding the tension between 2 views on a player that might seemingly contradict one another, is a playstyle thing. you do realise that don't you?

No its not.

Rest of the post is obviously nonsense because this is clearly wrong.

Playstyle: I scumhunt using x; I post a certain way; I use certain language in my posts; I post a certain frequency

Playstyle is not: I contradict myself

lol

[Slandaar]

You accused him of being scum several times and he was laughing you off because you never gave any reasoning, and then you somehow turned that around on him by claiming that he was asserting that he "can't be scum because there's no case," which is an incredibly extreme distortion of what was actually going on.

I never did show the quotes my case came from I suppose.

However, the fact is he was trying to defend from my case by arguing the case I presented was wrong because its not a fallacy which it is. He was arguing the content of my case was wrong; not that he never did what I suggested.

So, if you can explain that and not actually skate the issue please, thanks.

[Slandaar]

@Cryo though: Tunneling is, ironically, something Slandaar does as town and I'm pretty sure he is actually mostly immitating that in his scum games. For instance, this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=22466
He was so convinced that pidgey, a cop cleared VT claim, was actually a godfather that we ended up lynching pidgey in phase before lylo. (Not blaming Slandaar or anything, but seriously I'm just trying to show you what hes capable of when he is convinced hes right). Tunneling as scum is something he does to mimic his town play.

Eh, I tunnel too hard on people sometimes, I am learning to sit back occasionally and take stock but most of the time I just gotta lynch my man!

Also; I was kinda right on Pidgey which is the most annoying thing.

Seriously though; Cryo already knows this; he has played with me as town. He has seen me tunnel. He is scum.

[Slandaar]

I don't see why scum would fakeclaim cop enabler or something like that this early as they basically just outed themselves when there is no cop.

[Slandaar]

I scum hunt and my reasoning may seemingly appear contradictory this is the same dumb bullshit you went after me in the titanium game.

You are lying

I might show everyone later

[Slandaar]

or they can just go follow the link that works too

[Slandaar]

VOTE: Cryo

Pirate if you are town seriously go away take a break and think about things.

Then as simply as possible explain to me this;
Why did you sheep Majiffy when you think he just had a major scumtell 2 seconds prior?

And no; I did not say you sheeped Cryo and Why would me suggesting 2 people are scum and being wrong mean anything exactly?

Also fyi you look edgy and desperate just saying.

[Slandaar]

And I still want an answer re GOW knowledge.

[Slandaar]

Cryo is scum the really simple version

He says I tunnel = scum

He has seen me tunnel as town

That is all that needs to be said really.

[Slandaar]

If This is the game you are referring to, you had called 2 people scum by your 9th post and 3 people scum by your 12th (via ISO)...so...yeah...not tunneling?

I called 8 people scum in my 9th post here

Doesn't mean anything does it

[Slandaar]

Good Point!

Anyways; I clearly only argue with 2 people all day 1 aka tunneling in said game basically I moved from one to the other. His 'defense' uses arbitrary numbers to try to suggest that isn't tunneling which I used here because its funny he took the post 9 which is where I have a reads list. But lets get to the point;

This is my ISO from said scum game

The tunnel doesn't start right away which is what he is implying with his argument

Cryo is now proven scum

[Slandaar]

You mean I started arguing with Majiffy because he engaged me?

I see

[Slandaar]

I didn't say that.

Bussing exists; multiball exists; neither are myths; without flips I try to keep an open mind.

[Slandaar]

I see you ignored everything to do with Pirate what are your thoughts on it Cryo?

[Slandaar]

No scum vibes thus far...plus they laughed at our story...we'll investigate and let you know.

You do that.

[Slandaar]

Cryo: Sland tunnel! he scum!

Sland: You know I tunnel as town Cryoscum.

Cryo: oh right!!! better change argument!!! Sland changed his behaviour when we said he tunnel as scum!

Sland offered the '1v1' after said post and then argued with Majiffy who was the one who initiated ie for my behaviour to have changed I had to have initiated.

Cryo: Oh! But AP! AP! you call AP scum after!

Sland: That happened before your accusation of tunnel.

Cryo: What?! No wais! let me think of another argument! I be back soon!

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Cryo is scum; it is really obvious.

By suggesting I didn't tunnel by post 9 in my town game so its not the same as here he was also saying that I had as scum, but I didn't so... hes scum. Simple.

[Slandaar]

I accept.

[Slandaar]

so, while we have time you could go and investigate Pirates posting now.

[Slandaar]

You have a 50/50 chance of lynching me; your top scumread?

Why do you oppose the plan again?

Oh right because Cryo might get lynched. lol.

[Slandaar]

^ Ok, how about this. Slandaar would you flavor claim?

And by 'would' I mean do it.

If I need to claim I will otherwise; no.

tbh I don't know. it was never a trolleytracking thing for me

Oh Kay!

and his inflexibility.

Wait a second! this is surely code for 'trolleytracking'?!

You're not town are you Pirate?

And I see you STILL have not answered my questions. Is there a reason for this other than you know why I am asking?

fwiw; Viomi with her logical fallacies post seemed like scum. I don't see why she would try to 'argue' with me when she had no idea whats going on.

[Slandaar]

Slandaar: As for PM, how can we possibly have a scum read on this:

oh and slaandar and cryo are going 1v1 and I think I want to be cryo's publicity manager if he will let me cos I think it will probably be the only fun I will have all game.

Too cute for words...

likability != Alignment.

This does interestingly tie in to your scumreads being myself and AN though.

[Slandaar]

That's not what was happening,

Is it not?

I posted my short and beautiful case; KoC: What?; I explain; Its a logical fallacy to suggest you can't be scum unless there is a case showing you are.

KoC argues the case; therefore he was arguing a fallacy isn't a fallacy. He did not argue that never happened etc.

He was not arguing that my case was wrong.

Oh.

Which part of that is taken out of context again?

[Slandaar]

Fitz seems town.

and you just moved up in my town pile. scum would much prefer to have slaandar in the game than out of it if this what he keeps presenting.

What if Slandaar is maf though?

lol.

Slandaar and Messiah are equally likely to come-up as town IMO and I have seen Messiah play, he has a good eye and is more efficient then what I have seen from Sladaar.

You don't like my scumhunting???

Now lets all move over to Pirate who is clearly scum. Clearly.

VOTE: PirateCat

[Slandaar]

Pirate: I think you are town because you voted to lynch my scumread
Pirate Explanation: You are town NOT because I think you are voting scum its because I think scum would more likely keep Slandaar in the game than Messiah. By voting Slandaar you are trying to lynch the person scum would want to keep around so you are not scum.

That isn't town.

Clearly.

It is assuming Messiah and I are both town; which makes no sense from her perspective.

[Slandaar]

its 1am I will make the case tomorrow if I really have to but it should be obvious Pirate is scum now; too many contradictions etc.

[Slandaar]

I never had this contradiction issue with Mollie when she was town.

So........ No they can't.

[Slandaar]

Fitzscum cares about how he appears much more.

[Slandaar]

I think you are scum, slaandar. your cases are BAD. you flailed around in your back and forth with majiffy. you have a town read on fitz for...what reason exactly ?

I explained it.

hey if you trolleytrack on town a lot, maybe you should think about...I dunno, not doing it? improving one's game is a great but underrated thing.

I don't know where you get the impression I do it on town a lot.

did you want to repeat the questions you think we did not answer or is it true that it does not matter what the response is and you will only find some ridiculous type of scum motivation behind it because you a) are going in with a confirmation bias or b) scum?

Now you wish to answer them?

Too late.

Be worried my case on you will be huge and yes it will include the fact you couldn't answer simple questions then try to turn it round on me like I didn't want the answers.

[Slandaar]

Fitzscum cares about how he appears much more.

so at some point you will have no problem pulling up a meta case on him in order to support this and to justify the reasoning behind it.

lol

I probably won't be doing that.

he claims a meta read on one player but ignores the meta of another player whom he has played with before whom he misread. it makes us go hhhmmm...

I misread you before so I wouldn't do it again?

Logical fallacy.

ignores the meta of another player

I never had this contradiction issue with Mollie when she was town.

Hey look! Sland did use meta on Pirate!

so far we have seen examples of you doing it regardless of alignment. correct us if we are wrong, but is that not what your whole defense to cryo's case is based on?

This is about right.

Calling Cryo's 'case' a case is laughable though.

oh my, have we spotted an inconsistency here?

Have you?

I tunnel as town a lot = I tunnel on town a lot

Nope you havn't. Its relative; I tunnel on scum a high % compared to the base numbers; perhaps if you use flat how many times have you tunnel town its a lot; but that clearly isn't what was being said as seen;

yeah, you need to fix your game.

And if people don't get that; in flat numbers I could tunnel 50 town and 5000 scum; so yes 50 times is a lot; but I clearly wouldn't need to 'fix my game'.

we asked you about the questions earlier did you miss that post or what.

I no longer care for the answers.

you will lose credibility

Well not when you flip scum I won't.

and are prone to going after what you think is low hanging fruit, again, apparently a null tell for you.

This clearly doesn't enter my mind. Low hanging fruit or not why does it matter if I think they are scum?

I would rather lynch havingfits personally and he is tweaking the other head's scumdar too.

Oh wait; you are going after low hanging fruit???

[Slandaar]

I scum hunt and my reasoning may seemingly appear contradictory this is the same dumb bullshit you went after me in the titanium game.

You are lying

I might show everyone later

Well it became relevant

Lets have a look at why I thought she was scum in said game;

ISO
The final vote
Initial
It seems I didn't find Pirate contradictory in this game which completely backs up what I was saying earlier.

So, now that has been proven false Pirate can no longer pretend that contradicitons are her playstyle. Which if any town actually believed you are really gullible.

Call this the Introduction to why Pirate is scum.

[Slandaar]

Pirate changing their views depending on the situation

@slaandar
do you remember how in the titanium game you thought I made a "slip" and then you trolleytacked on me like a mofo until I was lynched on d1?

Yep that is what happened.

Context: I have no votes.

Watch how the story changes later when she is trying to lynch me and I her;

I scum hunt and my reasoning may seemingly appear contradictory this is the same dumb bullshit you went after me in the titanium game.

See? completely different she completely contradicts herself she KNOWS why I thought she were scum for what I thought was a scumslip it had nothing to do with Contradictions. This is relevant because it shows how desperate her defences have become to try to avoid suspicion. Pirate has been caught, this should be obvious. It also shows she is trying to throw anything at me to try to get me lynched she is not actually trying to read me.

Lets look at her opinion of me when I have no votes;

@slaandar
do you remember how in the titanium game you thought I made a "slip" and then you trolleytacked on me like a mofo until I was lynched on d1? nearly ragequit the site after that, I have never seen such town stupidity from a lot of players

you are simply not as good as you think you are and you push horrible cases but I am chalking that up to the hubristic driven arrogance of youth which you need to get in check tbh.

slaandar looks awful. not the clear headed logical minded slaandar that I got to know in our previous game together.

The second quote again is when I have votes and she wants to fuel my wagon, her opinion COMPLETELY changed from the first quote and both are talking about the same thing

The scum motivation is very obvious.

Why Pirate thinks Sland is scum

tbh I don't know. it was never a trolleytracking thing for me

She says she never thought I was scum due to tunneling, however, in the exact same post we see:

and his inflexibility.

She accuses me of being scum due to being inflexible (tunneling) so she lied.

Pirate and Cryo: Buddies?

I still think this is likely; however as I explained a long time ago, this is part of a Pirate case because the simple fact is these quotes do not read right.

Okay. Why don't you interact with him to force a slip or a scummy comment instead of hanging back allowing the time to come?

Only one outcome; Cryo is scum, doesn't make sense, the town version of the question is 'why not try and get a better read on him' Difference is huge.

also how long are you planning on staying away from cryo

This really reads like scum. It REALLY does.

Pirate being a scumbag:

Pirate: How much do you know about GOW?

I ask a simple question, I get no reply.

Also you didn't answer my question.

I remind Pirate. I get no reply.

Then as simply as possible explain to me this;
Why did you sheep Majiffy when you think he just had a major scumtell 2 seconds prior?

And no; I did not say you sheeped Cryo and Why would me suggesting 2 people are scum and being wrong mean anything exactly?

I ask more questions

And I still want an answer re GOW knowledge.

And remind again about my initial question

I get no reply.

So then when I decide to lynch Pirate and the answers really don't matter anymore I get;

did you want to repeat the questions you think we did not answer or is it true that it does not matter what the response is and you will only find some ridiculous type of scum motivation behind it because you a) are going in with a confirmation bias or b) scum?

lol

She tries to suggest I am scum because I didn't want the answers. Hilarious.

Pirate's Make Believe Read

and you just moved up in my town pile. scum would much prefer to have slaandar in the game than out of it if this what he keeps presenting.

To read someone town using this reasoning they are assuming I and Messiah are town. If Messiah is scum; this clearly doesn't make sense at all. Its just a load of nonsense.

The Minor Points Section

hi guys!

mollie here

ahahahaha

pidgeywidgey thinking mala was me earlier. I am probably going to be a terrible influence on mala.

This is either excitement; or nervousness.

It is one of the 2. Doesn't make them scum but tied to everything else you can put 2 and 2 together and see nervous/excited scum. Generally town are not excited/nervous because you roll town so much its not that big a deal.

majiffy plz bus all of your teammates it will make this game so much easier

you dropped a mega scum tell

Fine but then that only minutes later we get;

and I am leaning that you are being an arrogant ass hth, no need to thank me in advance

sheeping your read on slaander for now

VOTE: slaander

Sheeping scum? Doesn't make much sense.

but this seriously might put a hurt on that read.

This might put a hurt on that read = Scum

It either did or it didn't there is no might.

This stands; think about it from scum 'it might put a hurt on that read' (because I need to think about if I want to call you town or scum) where town its an instant it did or it didn't hurt the read.

Conclusion

Pirate is scum.

The End.

[Slandaar]

I have explained Fitz; he seems town because when hes scum he tries to look town where here he isn't. Not foolproof but especially in his catchup bits I am pretty sure as scum he would write more.

I have no desire to write a case touting his townness though lol.

Why do you think this is such a big issue?

[Slandaar]

How about you do this meta analysis on the difference between my scum tunnel and town tunnel then compare it to here?

Oh right. Why are you voting me again?

[Slandaar]

Thanks for the numbers but lets put your responses where they should be;

you will lose credibility

Well not when you flip scum I won't.

7. we are not going to flip scum. are you going to dismiss our reads cos...that is what you do?

What?

and are prone to going after what you think is low hanging fruit, again, apparently a null tell for you.

This clearly doesn't enter my mind. Low hanging fruit or not why does it matter if I think they are scum?

8. cos that is what scum does. and retarded town. where do you fit in with this.

Except when they are scum and then what?

Funny you didn't account for that in your analysis.

I would love you to show all these low hanging fruit I go after btw.

I would rather lynch havingfits personally and he is tweaking the other head's scumdar too.

Oh wait; you are going after low hanging fruit???

9. so you think havingfitz is low hanging fruit?

Well if anyone is he is. And that means you are scum or retarded town.

And you keep telling me I am bad so, I guess you can't be retarded town can you?

[Slandaar]

I will obviously be voting messiah at a later point, I would much prefer a Pirate lynch though. I have no clue absolutely no clue how Pirate isn't getting lynched right now.

[Slandaar]

Show one thing taken out of context

[Slandaar]

or a misrep or anything really

[Slandaar]

Yeah I am lurking deal with it; cant really be bothered posting content when noone listens.

Might claim later.

[Slandaar]

You should vote messiah

[Slandaar]

Why would I be? I am around all day can vote him if I need.

[Slandaar]

Pirate is scum yes everyone knows it.

She had(has) a meta read on me and only played once before which is hilarious when you consider this conversation.

[Slandaar]

Town. The exact same scenario. Pirate is scum; I made the case and everything.

Now, lets all lynch Messiah so I don't need to claim! Good plan! Yes! And its obvious Messiah is scum he should have claimed yesterday if he wasn't going to be around today to claim. It is interesting to see who voted me though in that time.

VOTE: Messiah

Tally Ho!

[Slandaar]

Also Mala is very quiet so there is that which makes Pirate likely scum alone.

[Slandaar]

Marangal I have been nice to you; but maybe I will explain some truths and put you in your place if you annoy me more.

[Slandaar]

Well this is why we should have lynched Pirate

Lt. Minh Young Kim; 1 shot masonizer. I am conftown tomorrow.

[Slandaar]

I was going to use it on Mastin but yes I can use it on Pirate also.

If town we mason if not town I get a negative result.

[Slandaar]

I will target Pirate, protection roles target Pirate; I am then confirmed town with Pirate or Pirate is scum and I will let yall know tomorrow if that is the case, or I just die which is actually quite good if I take the nk at this point.

Now, look, we need to lynch SOMEONE

VOTE: Viomi

That slot is scum I don't think anyone will disagree; I think we can make it happen.

Also: 'Test of loyalty' is the name of it.

[Slandaar]

Slandaar, so why are you off Messiah?

Hi Jal I am still around and will vote him if others do but the fact is we probably wont be lynching him it looks like so how about we try and actually lynch someone?

Whos fault is this? the people who didn't all pile on him yesterday instead balancing the wagons and making it impossible to lynch anyone; Cryo being a major culprit.

[Slandaar]

Ah I forgot you were the other major culprit knew I forgot someone.

[Slandaar]

When is deadline? can someone do a VC please? I would but don't have time might do in an hour but that must be really close to dl.

[Slandaar]

Uh I dont want a Buld lynch?

Why do you think I do Jal?

[Slandaar]

OK we can either lynch Messiah which I am fine with or everyone pile on Viomi as there is a ton of us around I would prefer the Viomi lynch at this point if we can make it happen and I believe we can.

[Slandaar]

ANG case then read Viomi ISO.

[Slandaar]

KoC: I don't remember him dying early in the series. Link it.

[Slandaar]

In other words, he dies about an hour into Gears 1.

You just linked me to a huge wall you realise that?

[Slandaar]

Hes saying my character is minor but there is a huge wall which debates this quite considerably.

Who is Messiahs character KoC?

[Slandaar]

That is clearly what you are saying. Otherwise what is the argument you are making?

[Slandaar]

Well we know KoC is scum that was pretty loltacular.

[Slandaar]

Well actually its;
Sland: X is scum
X: vote sland!

KoC/Messiah/Pirate/Cryo have all done it.

[Slandaar]

Well actually its;
Sland: X is scum
X: vote sland!

KoC/Messiah/Pirate/Cryo have all done it.

You know that you've done something remarkably similar to what you're condemning, right?

I'd like to assume your claim will WIO, but GOD you seem scummy to me.

I didn't condemn it I just stated the facts.

[Slandaar]

VOTE: Pirate

We can try but it won't happen

Viomi should have been an easy compromise lynch but for somereason never took off.

[Slandaar]

a scum mason? sounds bastard to me.

[Slandaar]

I don't think you are town. Which part don't you get?

If you are lynched I will target someone else. Not that its actually going to happen.

[Slandaar]

VOTE: PirateCat

Scum found.

I expect everyone to vote them in their next post.

[Slandaar]

I'm talking to Mollie right now about the deaths since they just put a wrench in what we were thinking.

You guys stupidy are going to quicklynch D2 and be fucken screwed D3 because you GOT ZERO information out of it because you didn't bother to talk or do anything but vot someone who WILL turn up town.

The town would gain zero information if you magically flipped town?

How exactly is your "negative result" upon trying to masonize scum supposed to work, Slandaar?

Well we didn't mason; that is the big clue.

slaandar you said yesterday that

I was behaving exactly like how I was in titanium

. I might be! so you will have to qualify the statement that you found me scummy yesterday based on how I am acting the same as I did in titanium, since I was town.

No I didn't say that.

[Slandaar]

Asking the mod a question will post when I have response.

[Slandaar]

Messiah isn't scum

, I'm not seeing how.

he is also a far more helpful person

then many others in this game so...

I'd much prefer to get rid of [X]

before I get rid of him

Bold: This is scum.

Blue: this is scum: how does one define helpful? Ah right; he doesn't suspect Pirate.

it should be common sense though IMO...

I had posted my results so what was there to wait for?

I'm tired of this, Molliecat is town.

they have been so pro-town yesterday

I'm having trouble believe that anyone could think them as scum.

This is scum. I don't remember one thing they have done that is 'protown'.

Probably have to do with your stance against PC

Scum.

Marangal is scum; all her reads are based on the premise Pirate is town and then anyone who suspects them is scum. I thought yesterday she was doing it as town and just being a tool as they are friends but no, Marangal is actually just scum.

Proof:

I'd much prefer to get rid of Buldemar, qwints, and Slandaar

(we all voted Pirate yesterday) Fitz can also be included here.

AP died last night a big supporter of Pirate wagon this should have proven town do suspect Pirate to Marangal; Marangal is scum.

[Slandaar]

No

[Slandaar]

OK I know what I need to know; I was probably rbed.

[Slandaar]

OK I know what I need to know; I was probably rbed.

• I know what I need to know
  
• can't/won't confirm if he was RB'd

Yeah, BS.

Messiah can be scum with Pirate.

How would I know if I was rbed? I assume I probably was but confirming it? lol

This guy is scum just lynch him/Maran/Pirate tomorrow.

[Slandaar]

This guy is scum just lynch him/Maran/Pirate tomorrow.

Thoughts on buld nigh-Confirming pc as Town? Do you think he's lying, gambitting, Scum as well?

Don't know.

[Slandaar]

Counterclaiming me paid off



Made the best of a dire situation so quite happy with it even if I feel our team doesn't really deserve to win after D1, still, Messiah played his role well with the mass lurking and carried us home!

Shame on KoC for ragequitting though.