Gears of War Mafia - ( Game Over! )

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sup everyone.

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I'm a pretty fast reader but I'll probably need a day or two to catch up.

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Is that L-3? I'm okay with L-3.


Anyway, I'm town. Please give me a chance to read up before killing me.

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Any important events I should focus on when I read the thread?

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If you mean in general, probably.

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I'm a third of the way through the thread.

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I've read 90% of the thread and will be posting reads and stuff this afternoon. Would prefer that nobody hammer until I can post.

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Never mind, I finally noticed that bacde is a double voter and this is twilight. I'm going to post what I have now, in case I die during the night. This is a (somewhat rushed) rough draft of what I was going to post, so some of it isn't as developed as I wanted.

Town reads

Messiah is town because of his claim, catching Slandaar, blah blah blah.

Viomi is also town. Posts 2452, 2453, 2489, 2622, 2624, 2627, and 2628 are

either

a town replacement who genuinely did not feel like reading the thread, or scum trying to make people think that. (Scum Viomi would probably know who she replaced.) I've looked through Viomi's meta (and Chrimi's) and do not feel like this is how she plays as scum. Also, if she is scum, it's either with bork or Slandaar. The ANG / bork interaction does not look scummy to me (I've read the case for that, but I disagree) and Viomi / Slandaar requires heavy bussing from both parties, which I do not buy.

Knights of Cydonia / his replacement is town. In order for KoC to be scum, he would need to have said to himself "wow, Majiffy just ragequit and was at L-1 in a few hours,

I should totally do the same, what could go wrong?

" His ragequit post was also 100% accurate, so... coming from a player who has been so completely reasonable the entire game, I would say he is town. (I guess we'll find out soon, though.)

The Goat looks townish to me. I agree with Messiah in post 1189. I don't feel strongly about this read, however.

Scum reads

I see why majiffy et al were on qwints, but I'd like to know if people agree with this

I'm not a big fan of the Qwints wagon 'cause he always plays like this regardless.

because this is not my own meta-impression of qwints but I don't have much experience with him. Could you guys elaborate on this and say specifically what you think qwints is doing that he always does, comment on his IIoA, etc.

I strongly dislike Ms Marangal's early game attack on Goat and her "claim" in 664, 668 looks like some bullshit.

Angelious Nero's case on Mac is unusually weak and seems to be based on a misunderstanding. Nero's had opportunity to realize it was a misunderstanding and is still pushing it, so this looks weird. My impression of Nero is that he pushes hard on particular players he wants dead, but he usually has much clearer reasoning (even when I disagree with it). I also don't like the early game "oh I'm so bored and didn't want to play this game anyway" lurking.

Null reads

Mac (Nero's specific case is weak, but I need to read Mac's ISO more to know if there's something else there)
DGB/CryoNudist (if scum, probably with bork due to interaction with Slandaar)
Guile (also more likely connection with bork due to Slandaar's hydra confusion)
bacde

These players are null either because they haven't posted much content (and I haven't had time to do relational analysis) or because I just didn't get a chance to ISO them yet. Will develop these reads more tomorrow if I'm still around.

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It will surprise absolutely no one that I'm down for lynching Nero.

Ta-da.

The keypoint about the whole line of reasoning is that Rubicon, if Rubicon were town, should have deemed ragequitting as NULL, not as TOWN.

The entire post's purpose is to pain ragequitting as TOWN. Calling KOC's ragequit post "100% accurate" is a manipulative statement, tying both KOC and Majiffy, who sorta quit for similar reasons, as very strongly town for their gesture.

You're misrepresenting my argument. Please don't do that.

My town read on KoC wasn't that he ragequit and that's a town tell -- it was about the

context

of his ragequit. Which notably applied to KoC but not majiffy. Since KoC's posts were reasonable and accurate, he struck me as both town and (more importantly) not retarded, so him doing something that would be retarded as scum was evidence against him being scum.

QED, motherfucker.

(Obviously I was wrong in hindsight, but whatever, it happens.)

I don't understand what you're saying about "sabotaging" the lynch. I'd defend myself against wagon analysis but I don't understand wagon analysis.

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Viomi, I thought you were on my side. Traitor.

Depends, is all the pleading and the weeping and the wringing of hands an AA9 scum tactic?

I don't think AA9 is even playing anymore. Pretty sure this is all Nero.

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there is a possibility that he is being protected. Seriously, if Messiah was scum he would have no reason to lie and say that Slandaar didn't visit Molliecat. He also risked himself by stating as such because, had Slandaar flip town, and flip the role that he stated he was he would have been questioned hardcore

Except that it's multiball, right?

too risky even in multiball, IMO, unless Messiah had some guarantee that Slandaar was scum.

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which I suppose is possible.

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Your vote's on me, Goat? Then yes, have some tissues ready, because I'm town.

DGB: Why have you changed your mind about Nero?

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So when I flip town who will you suspect?

I'm starting to believe you.

It sounds like you did.

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..okay..

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No.

I'm Corporal Dominic Santiago, Town Doctor. Majiffy protected Messiah nights 1-3. I protected Colonel Guile last night, guessing that scum would not risk targeting Messiah until a doctor had flipped. Presumably this accounts for the single kill.

VOTE: The Goat

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Odds that Goat "suddenly" panicked and thought he'd been mislynched between post 3000 and post 3004: 0%

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although I still want Goat to die.

Flavor for both of you?

The gist is that I can deliver supporting fire to protect someone who's under attack.

I'm the town doctor, and have protected Messiah every night.

I do find it odd that nobody even took a SHOT at him

...and I even mentioned that yesterday. To this end, I am not 100% convinced that he's town.

Doctor shouldn't know this.

Why would one of the remaining scum stick their neck out to try and counterclaim, when they'll be hyperlynched the following day? Would it be worth eliminating my protection for a night and gaining an additional action? Probably not.

You make an excellent point, Goat.

So why do it? The only thing that makes any sense is if Rubimajiffy ALREADY KNEW he was going to die tonight anyway.

...Right.
I can only think of one way Guile could

know

I was going to die tonight, and it's not something I could have known before he said it. Here's an alternative suggestion, which makes a bit more sense: I'm the town doctor, and you're scum.

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Flavor for both of you?

The gist is that I can deliver supporting fire to protect someone who's under attack.

Do better. My role pm was a good bit more detailed than something you could get a "gist" from. I apparently have this cool vehicle. What do you have, other than made up stuff?

There's a whole bio, but it didn't seem relevant.

VOTE: qwints

My third choice after Goat and Nero, but I understand you guys' reasoning.

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I protected Messiah, since the WIFOM reasoning for not doing so was gone.

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regarding me not dying:

Rubicon should have died last night. Which means that somebody did something that saved him, or he had some type of self safe of sorts. He is clearly scum. Goat is likely the real Doc.

er - yeah, that orrrrr:

(1) the Goat (who would have been lynched immediately today if I died) used some kind of protection / redirection / etc. to make people wonder about both me (and to some extent you) for why I didn't die.

(2) someone from the other scum team did the same, hoping to kill two birds with one stone - the doctor and the last remaining competition - when my town flip points you at Goat tomorrow.

the fact that there were no kills at all last night makes (1) seem more likely to me.

Either way, I'm the doctor, Goat isn't, and I'm boggled that these shenanigans are being treated as "proof" that Goat is legit.

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Also, I was thinking about something. Is there any way for a doc, vig and watcher to mutally townfirm each other? Like, if a kill fails and the only two people visiting the target were me & Guille.

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What do you mean?

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Guille is town.

AN and Goat are scum.

I'm still willing to having my doctor ability tested, if there's any way to make that work.

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@ Goat & Rubicon

Please show breadcrumbs,

I didn't breadcrumb since replacing in, and I don't know if majiffy did.

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I don't know how Rubi survived. But I find it unlikely that there was a roleblocker.

one-shot BP?

Actually, just proving I have a targetable ability of any kind would disprove this.

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I don't know how Rubi survived. But I find it unlikely that there was a roleblocker. I figure that a roleblocker would have blocked Messiah at some point in the last four nights when scum had enough players to make kills and actions, (If that's how it works). But this is just speculation, but it's a damn good reason to lynch Rubicon before Goat.

qwints flipped mafia roleblocker. so there definitely isn't one now, but there was before.

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I don't know. I should have.

I don't know how Rubi survived. But I find it unlikely that there was a roleblocker. I figure that a roleblocker would have blocked Messiah at some point in the last four nights when scum had enough players to make kills and actions, (If that's how it works). But this is just speculation, but it's a damn good reason to lynch Rubicon before Goat.

qwints flipped mafia roleblocker. so there definitely isn't one now, but there was before.

Guille, could qwints have blocked you from priming me on Night 4? Or would you have been told.

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I guess that just begs the question of why he would have blocked you at that point, though. Hm.

Then again, Messiah said he blocked buldermar N2.

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Messiah. See my 3227.

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I'll post more this afternoon, I know there are some questions that I was asked, but for now: I don't really buy DGB as scum.


DGB, we don't know that there are still two scum teams. If Goat is a mafia doc or had some other way of blocking the vig kill, he probably couldn't do that and submit a night kill the same night.

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I don't know how Rubi survived. But I find it unlikely that there was a roleblocker.

one-shot BP?

Actually, just proving I have a targetable ability of any kind would disprove this.

.. why?

Well, scratch that if you think there's a 1-shot bulletproof scum with a targetable power that doesn't kill and isn't roleblocker.

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Also, I was thinking about something. Is there any way for a doc, vig and watcher to mutally townfirm each other? Like, if a kill fails and the only two people visiting the target were me & Guille.

So
This actually makes sense
And would definitely make you doctor

Except the problem is scum might take this opportunity to kill you, and because you were dead you couldn't protect the target and guile would accidentally kill them.

Which is why I disagree with this.

I'm reasonably sure the protect would still go through, but anyway, the bigger problem with the plan is that DGB thinks there could be a scum doctor.

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(1) the Goat (who would have been lynched immediately today if I died) used some kind of protection / redirection / etc. to make people wonder about both me (and to some extent you) for why I didn't die.

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...let me ask you something...

...if I "used some sort of protection or redirection on you"...why isn't Messiah dead?

Because I protected Messiah. I think I'm missing your point, though, since your phrasing suggests you think this question is significant.

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Any last words Rubicon?

I'd prefer not to be lynched, mostly because Messiah will die right after, but... You can probably still win this either way. Lynch Goat after me. If there's another scum left, it's probably Nero. If not, it's probably MS.

VOTE: The Goat
just in case anyone would rather to jump straight to the point.

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I don't think Guille does?
Unless he was blocked from detonating and it's still there, or something.

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What's your position on the whole is-Goat-lying issue, Mac? Are you with me or are you wrong?

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I have no idea what to think atm. whichever is lying will be lynched tomorrow/today. wanna know what guille has to say wrt the bomb before I possibly hammer.

True, but it's not like there's no significant difference between lynching scum vs the doctor today. It completely decides whether Messiah lives tonight and (possibly, depending on how many scum are left) whether DGB / Guille die later.

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Guille, I'm still curious to know whether you got those PMs forwarded and what they said.

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I'm not a very emotional person.

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Am I dead?

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Well fuck.

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Orange.

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I actually was a doctor, though.

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The flavor was fantastic.

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I didn't really enjoy the KoC ragequit-and-lynched thing, personally.

yeah

/shakes fist in majiffy's general direction