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VOTE: Bitmap

compress that shit

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Is that UN or Guille posting I JUST CAN'T TELL

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I think GIF is town.

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#33 seems genuine.

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Seems more likely for town to do that than for scum (who would already know) to do that.

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Wait, what? You're calling him town based on that?

Seems more likely for town to do that than for scum (who would already know) to do that.

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@Mala: *shrug* I'm rolling with my gut for now.

@Mac -- I don't understand what you said.

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@ANG: I think town could potentially gain a lot by making that post.

It's caused me to townread him; it has the potential for reactions based on the veracity of the assertion.

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Yep.

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@ANG: I'm not scum and it boggles me you'd come to that conclusion based on this exchange.

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I kind of like that Fitz vote.

@Mac: Ok, but if scum are doing it to appear more town then you are admitting that it is something town is also likely to do. Ergo, its a null tell. So why would he be scummy for it exactly?

I don't think town would make that posts though. I think it's pretty obvious Locust's are the bad guys from the flavor.

Why not just say that from the start?

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I would hardly call it conclusive, but if you want me to elaborate, I'd be happy to.

I am all ears.

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It's a gut read based on something I can't prove he wasn't faking -- the gut part is that I don't think he was.

And if he is town, there are reasons for him to have done it other than it just being fluff.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

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I was also responding to several different angles of reservations about it; not all from you.

@AP - doubting ANG is scum.

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@ANG: this is my final stance on it and I'm not really interested in rehashing it again:

I think it is more likely that GIF is town actually asking a question, possibly for reaction testing purposes, then this is scum trying to fake a towntell. I am calling this decision a "gut read".

@NeroAngel: exactly what about the past couple pages constitutes trolling?

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Although I have a feeling this is Angel I'm talking to.

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Scum meta read on ArcAngel

VOTE: Angelious Nero

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Claim: miller

, again. Obviously, this claim doesn't clear me from being scum, but my play will make it clear soon enough.

Correct miller protocol, but assuming you're serious about this you still can't be allowed anywhere near endgame. Nothing personal, just too much of an unknown quantity.

PEdit: Meta case on Day 1?
You serious, bork?

Yeah. She's not even addressing me when I ask about why this is "trolling", she's just complaining, which she does pretty much all game when she's scum. She's a cogent scumhunter when town.

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Wow has this been Nero the whole time?

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If you really think that anything other than your hissy fight with GNR is content you are tremendously stupid. Your prolly both town and if anyone is scummy from that it was Mac.

1) Call my spat with ANG & Mac trolling
2) Get 3 reads from it

what

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So you don't like meta cases, which are mostly completely subjective anyway, and, in addition, bork's meta case feels "off"? Like, he shouldn't be able to produce it, or he produced it badly, or he's wrong, or you want him to think he's wrong?

In his defense, if this has been Nero the whole time and not AA, I actually am wrong.

But that slot's probably still scum.

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Meh misread that. Chill.

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UNVOTE:
I'm totally barking up the wrong tree here

I'm actually partially on board with the Mac thing and I wanna know why AP thinks he's town.

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You are not at all concerned about my alignment despite me tunneling on you and being super adamant about it. You are mostly shrugging me off except when I keep insisting that you are scum and you discredit my push by saying I have no case. Thats a really scummy sentiment. You aren't saying that I am scum or that you are town - you are saying that I don't have a case, whilst not passing any judgment on my alignment. Its the mentality that catches me scum a LOT "You can't PROVE I'm scum, ergo I'm town". And you are trying to act like you are carefree, but your posts suggest otherwise.

I really don't agree with much in here. I think he's trying to get a bearing on your read and getting frustrated that you won't give it.

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Although ANG: what DO you think of AP's alignment right now?

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FFS Majiffy this has been anything but RVS.

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Man Majiffy isn't reading shit.

@ANG: if AP is town, who is scum on your wagon?

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^
I asked this earlier and I'm wondering how you got a townread on him out of my GIF thing.

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Correction: Bork has said a few things about Jiffy but he's not the loudest one. Me and KOC are. Why is Mollie buddying Bork?

This is accurate -- I haven't called Majiffy scum at all, nor do I have a scumread on him; I just think he's being a pain in the ass.

I like everything about Jal except his vote.

I don't get the KoC hate in general -- he seems trying to derail stupid crap. In fact I don't like many of AP's scumreads.

I have more to say but my daughter just dumped wine on me so back later.

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@Bork: Ok, why do you not like my PirateCat scumread?

I honestly can't read this Molliekittens hydra for shit. I don't think she's genuinely trying to misrep my position on Majiffy I just think she's being sloppy. I was more referring to KoC/ANG who I both think are town.

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Majiffy why is AngelNero scum other than you don't like ArcAngel?

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I've reread Mac several times and I think my ultimate stance on it is that the fact his RVS vote was already on GIF is a coincidence. I don't think the case has any legs without hypothesizing that Mac is trying to subtly transition an RVS vote into a serious vote with his pushing against my sentiment about GIF rather than simply disagreeing with me.

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VOTE: Messiah

This is the only wagon I'm even remotely comfortable with right now

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It was destiny. Who else is mentioned in your role card btw?

I kinda want to form a town bloc with Goat, Slandaar, mastin2, Majiffy and AA9/Nero. Pretty sure of those townreads (just gotta stop Nero/AA from trying to kill Majiffy). And most of those townreads are sure of MollieK. In hindsight, I think Majiffy is right about Mollie playing par for the town course.

Other town reads: Jal, PV, Bork, Mac

So when I looked at your townreads I really liked them, which makes me wonder about why I didn't like your scumreads earlier.

I'm probably giving out too many townpoints early.

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Does anyone in the bloc (or, heck, really...anyone at all ) still have a townread on Ms Marangal? If so, how strong and can you explain?

I think it's plausible at the point in the game to be absolutely lost as she claims (#456), but I can't tell how much she read in between that and #469 when she suddenly has reads (although reading that post it's a lot of IIoA)

So no, not a townread on her here. weak weak scumread.

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VOTE: CN

This seems way better than messiah

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VOTE: AP

I'm calling bullshit on 713 meaning anything to town-you.

I feel more town about Cryo after 713. Mainly because they aren't really offering any opinions except that Im town which isn't exactly a way for them to avoid suspicion.

Seriously this is awful.

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But pretty much that. CN is openly playing anti-town if he is town, so you know. Not a bad lynch either way.

Seriously, how is #713 NOT just more of this (you say yourself it's not a good way to avoid suspicion, so you clearly don't think it's pro-town)? You're only ok with it now because it's buddyish toward you.

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P-edit:

I assume this is to me?

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prod-dodge; I've got company I'll catch up tomorrow

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Very much like Slandaar vote for pretty much just #904 which is so dodgy; Majiffy is pointing out illogical play from Slandaar, and honestly the fact that Slandaar's got "You probably do believe what you say" (implying Majiffy is town?) and then later "Majiffy is scum" in the same exact post is just no. That's not to mention his rebuttal to Majiffy's first point (which contains empirical evidence) is essentially is "la la la I'm not listening it's a scumtell"

I don't care about the OMGUS aspect of it; I think Majiffy's points are good in the post Slandaar quotes (I agree about unflipped associative tells), and to try and make an amalgamation of Majiffy is wrong/Majiffy is scum in the same post as a response is just not believable for me.

VOTE: Slandaar

I want to reinforce that I still think AP is scum (I'd lynch either him or Slandaar but the AP wagon is stalled as hell) and reiterate the argument I made since AP just pulled a Thor and snarky smileyfaced his way out of addressing it and no one else commented --

1) #592 AP thinks CN's play is anti-town regardless of alignment [presumably for suggesting a 1v1 with Messiah] (I agree)
2) AP thinks CN is scummy enough to vote at the point of #595 (I agree)
3) I'm wasn't initially thrilled with the ~632 area where he tries to shift attention to me, although after the emotional reaction subsided I think this is more trying to imply that Majiffy is scummy for suggesting a double standard for me/AP. Majiffy did kind of move the goalposts a bit when he clarified defending me. I think ultimately I don't take issue with AP's behavior here. I'll talk more about how that affects my Majiffy read in a later post.
4) 725. This is my problem. It references cryo's 713 where cryo basically just says AP's super town and not much else. This is apparently reason for AP to do a total 180 on Cryo, but the reasons he gives essentially, to me, are that Cryo's actions in 713 aren't optimal play for either alignment therefore it's more likely to come from town? Why's AP suddenly susceptible to bullshit anti-town WIFOM from Cryo when he wasn't before?

Anyway I know AP's got his hard defenders out there. I'd like to hear from them regarding this.

I'll have a more breadthy post in a bit.

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He provided empirical evidence that X is NOT a scumtell (by showing you when he did it as town) and you ignored it. Then you tried to pin him as scum for saying
"associative tells pre-flip are not useful" which even if you disagree with (I agree with it) fails to be any sort of legitimate segue into a proclamation of Majiffy-scum.

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they don't leave huge clues for you to find them; they will try to argue things they think are right.

And they will do this while playing toward a scum wincon, ergo with scum motivation. Where is that here?

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No he didn't

I showed the evidence showing it is.

My mistake; for whatever reason I thought it was him who was linking his own games. But still, tunneling is really obviously not a tell either way.

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You brought it up in 968. In retrospect I see it was meant to be a random example.

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Ok I need to take a step back and you need to re-explain #904 because we're having a serious communication problem.

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He ignored my evidence showing it is a scumtell; thats the basic principle of why hes scum.

"It" being awkward wording in general?

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readstuff

Slandaar: [in progress]. #979 is not a very good summation of his case. Why can't Majiffy just disagree with you and be town?

AP: scum, already went over this

quints: Meh, null due to conflicting opinions. Was fine with him until about #600, which is really confirmation biasy. #892 is kinda weird too: why mention cryo here?

Ms. Mar: weak scum. lots of IIoA in #469. #799 is the only post with any real meat to it; might just be ineffective town. Difficult to decide whether about-face on goat is related to near universal town-read on him from everyone else or is genuine. Mac push seems somewhat disingenuous.

Mac: townish, I forget why.

AN: town, is pushing reads extremely hard.

Cryo: moderate scum. Just a slew of anti-town play in general. I don't see how 1v1s open the game up for town; it's basically just a license for people not to interact with most of each other.

Messiah: null-scum. Initial objection was about him being willing to nail ANG to a wall over post 90 which I think is unwarranted. No longer want to lynch today though.

Colonel Guile: Null-town. has Guille even posted once? I believe #944 as I was just scum with UN in 161 and I've been town with UN in a game I'd like to forget and he didn't lurk either time.

KoC: Town for his response to early game Majiffy. I don't get anyone's case on him.

ANG: Town for early game response to me. I get his angle on my GIF stuff.

Goat: I have been putting off reading him for whatever reason, probably because his posts all came at a time when I wasn't able to post much. No read yet.

GIF: gut town -- I believe he's been towntelling. I'll worry about multiball speculation when I have any evidence it's multiball.

mastin: town. Claim + town bloc stuff.

molliekittens: butthurt about being excluded from town bloc is such a towntell.

Fitz: just left of center town just for reaction to mollie in like the 1 post he has.

Majiffy: moderate town. Buddying me seems unwarranted re: argument with AP but everything else he's done seems like he's pushing legit points on people. Still on his side re: Majiffy vs Slandaar.

PV: Reads bored town, #756 is good.

Jal: Read weakened by tunneling of mastin. Barely town.

Bitmap: whatever

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Hi Majiffy

why is cryo town?

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in #631.

re: cryo. That's a little vague for me. Elaborate?

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It seemed like you were trying to defend me after the fact on something you should have been neutral about.

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I comprehend it fine, it's just not what I expected you to say.

Do you think I'm town overall?

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I don't like Bork's reads list post; it feels really forced.

What am I forcing, exactly?

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P-edit: You felt the need to write something about _everyone_ even when it was not really necessary. "Mac is town, but I can't remember why.".. Ok? You put a shitton of effort into that post evidently, but decided to exclude why you thought Mac was town or fish up a quote number or something to justify it? Just feels an awful lot like McStab from mini 1347 as scum (Slandaar will get me).

Why is posting shit about everyone not necessary? Because you said so? I put shit down as it occurred to me. Some people I put in at the end because I forgot about them and didn't spend as much time on them. I don't care what McStab did -- why do you? I am very clearly not him.

I find that people who try to form cohesive town blocs are generally town. I also find town claim miller more than scum do (I've never actually seen scum do it; I'm sure it's happened). Qwints I actively said I had actively conflicting opinions about instead of just a murky read.

Guile has little to go on but was quick with snap judgments when he was posting. I admit I don't have much on him.

p-edit: I think it's pretty obvious why I made the post -- I want people to know where I stand on people.

You call me scum, but admit that most (all but 1 now?) of your original reasons for suspecting me are invalid.

I only ever HAD one reason. It's the same reason -- I was illustrating how I got there.

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Don't sacrifice RL for this, go do what you need to do, but I'm not dropping this because I don't even know what shaky thing you're trying to pin on me at this point.

But if the above ^ were true, then you would have just made a list. I got the impression you wanted people to know why you stand the way you do on people. Because making a post that shows how you stand on the player list is easy and fast and requires minimal justification. You were being explicit on reasons for reads, but never really went anywhere with the post. It just feels weird >.>. </nitpicking>

I DID

just make a list.

What the hell else do you call that? Where am I "supposed to go with the post?" What does that even mean?

Of course I want people to know why I stand where I stand; I want reads to be explored, refined, and for people to be held accountable for them. What kind of question even is that?

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I am not going to respond to this now because I don't want you to get dragged away from what you're supposed to be doing.

I will respond to it.

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and I'm frustrated because you are either saying Im dumb town that is getting buddied by another player blatantly or scum who is just desperately reaching for allies.

Very much was saying the latter, although I don't know that I'd call you desperate. I do not think you are dumb. Even if you end up being town, know that I don't think you're dumb.

Fuck this AtE is probably going to work on me because I know exactly how this feels and this only happens to me when I'm town and insulted because when I'm scum I know I'm full of shit and let it roll off my back.

But you didn't even bother to ask me to back my shit up - you just tell me that Im either blatant scum or getting played as a fool. So ya I didn't really have anythingto respond to that with other than a barrage of sarcastic smilies. What do you want me to say? 1. Im not scum. 2. I have a gut town read on them for reaching out to me and only me. There it is. Now you probably don't see the validity behind my 2 points (assuming you really don't know my alignment / trust me) so what was the point of saying it over sarcastic smilies? At least the smilies made me feel entitled.

My accusation is an implicit invitation to back your shit up -- this should be true for pretty much any argument that comes from town in any mafia game ever. I want to discern your alignment and lynch you if you're scum, not to just lynch you no matter what you say. And I don't know how to interpret sarcastic smileys -- they look like you're just ignoring/deflecting me.

2. I have a gut town read on them for reaching out to me and only me.

I guess this gets back to my whole problem with your 725 -- and it's not how you initially phrased it -- you said it wasn't the best way at allaying suspcion. Why does that ping your gut? How reliable is that? The tone I got was that this really sold you on Cryo town; clarify if you would -- how strong is your read on Cryo? All in all, it's uncharacteristic of what I know about your play, even elsewhere in this game.

That

is why I've been calling you scum.

I'll let this read develop more; I'm doubting myself.

p-edit: I kinda agree on the Molliekittens thing. She's being weird with regard to your slot.

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that did not look like a panicky OMGUS vote at all.

PC are quite clearly talking out of both sides of their mouth ^. I was a light-moderate townread for BOTH sides of the hydra recently yet Mollie suddenly goes from "AP is prob town" to asking why Bork is interacting with 'scummy pidgeywidgey' and encouraging people to look at me tomorrow. Shes scum and can't remember that she thinks Im town. Piratecat is a quality vote.

did you not earlier state that your vote hopping and read switching was a town tell for you but you are using it as a scumtell for us? this is rich.

see, you left out a key part of my post and that is telling.

you cherry picked "scummy looking pidgeywidgey" but did not post the post in its entirety in which I followed it up with "I am not sure if he is scum though".

you look scummy for calling borky's reads "forced" when there was nothing "forced" about them.

Time to totally 180 cause I super don't like both bolded parts.

1) He's not calling vote hopping a scumtell. He's showing where you just flip flopped with no explanations.
2) Nothing in there demonstrates what caused you to say "scummy looking" in the first place. Was it my post?

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Found it:

I like KoC's last post. Guessing he actually is town.

OK, this is town-AP.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Piratecat

AP switched a read so he's town?

Really?

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And Bork doesn't seem to find any of that strange until I point it out, wut?

The fuck got you to this conclusion?

Also I was in agreement with you about the last few posts until you got to this bullshit multiball-dependent associative tell thing. Associative tells from teammates are not gonna change dependent on whether or not it's multiball. It's also a shitty theory because I'm not scum.

So basically where I'm at:

1) Mollie is misrepping AP (and I think her explanation to me in 1031 included a lot of things that were not even hinted at in 1025, which is hard to buy)
2) AP is really turning on and off pushing obtuse points on various things.

I'd probably vote Mollie over AP if I had to choose between the two; AP is just annoying me more.

Barely.

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1025 is a giant misrep

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Found it:

I like KoC's last post. Guessing he actually is town.

OK, this is town-AP.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Piratecat

AP switched a read so he's town?

Really?

scratch that I'm taking that out of context ignore

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yeah I'll go ahead and address that maybe when you can be a little more civil cause I'm really not in the mood.

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^^ (two above)
I don't know what you're trying to say here -- he's not calling AP town for the read change he's saying AP genuinely believes there are 2 and not 3 scum on his wagon.

AP's thing with you was very much about cognitive dissonance of reads and never anything about vote hopping, which is what you tried to paint it as (and are still trying to do so as recently as 1052)

The fact that you came in later and said your read change had to do with my interaction with him when you never once prior referred to that is difficult for me to believe. AP mentioned this himself in #1034 and I agree with him.

As far as the legitimacy of his votes -- AP's done plenty of questionable shit this game; that's not the issue here. I'm not trying to determine your alignment with respect to his or vice versa at this point in the game.

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VOTE: MollieKittens

Too much cog dissonance (happened again as Slandaar pointed out), misrepping AP, unexplained read changes that have retroactive explanations that don't follow from earlier posts.

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What I don't get by Bork is he said that being 'hurt' over not being included was a semi-town-tell yet posts later he decides to jump on the PC BW.

I jumped on your wagon because you did scummy shit after that.

How is that not super obvious?

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And AP's back to town for you Mollie?

re: cryo vs slandaar -- fucking whatever. Slandaar's arguments are difficult to follow in general (1160 is a great example) and is making my analysis of him really difficult.

Cryo's not doing anything pro-town and is making considerably less of an effort overall. Does that make him more likely to be scum than Slandaar? I really have no idea.

p-edit: Seriously Mollie, what am I doing that so mystifies you?

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Fine. You're PC for the remainder of the game.

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Ok yeah I mis-attributed 1037 to mollie. Apologies. Last I'll speak of individual heads if I can avoid it.

Still I think you're giving AP so much slack for no good reason especially when you list all the stuff he's doing that you don't like (and pretty much nothing that you DO like)

KoC's last few posts do look kinda bad.

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correction: 1173, not 1037. Wowfail.

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what alignment was he before?

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I don't have a strong preference for Slandaar vs Messiah. They're both weak scum reads at this point. I can't tell if Slandaar's obfuscation is intentional or he's just hard to understand and Messiah doesn't have enough other than that early game business with ANG to go on. PC wagon isn't moving.

Consider this as close to flowcharting as you'll get from me Jiffy.

VOTE: Slandaar

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Marangal your 1214:

Slandaar looks terrible, though he's actually engaging in the game, and I'm highly doubting that he's scum. he seems way to sure in his scum reads (as faulted as they may be) and he's being super aggressive, not backing down from pressure.

This is your reasoning for Slandaar being town: overaggressively pushing obtuse cases and being incredibly sure about scumreads. Explain why this implies town, because this is the kind of thing I might vote somebody for.

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I have somewhat calmed down a bit but really until you grasp that when I said AP was scummy looking but I didn't know if that made him scum is an "unsure" read then this head cannot talk to you. you seem to respond less hostilely to the other head so it is probably for the best.

If voting you for thinking you're scummy is "hostile" then I'm not really sure what to tell you.

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I am only reconsidering you as possible town cos cryo has a point about your willingness to go 1v1 with him. I have my reservations but we will see.

An aside, but this is actually a pretty good summation of why I don't like cryo('s playstyle?) -- his play consists of doing questionable WIFOM producing moves and then making snap judgments about the responses to those (when by their nature, scum needs to just try to figure out which side of the WIFOM they need to come out on)

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edit: Bork, Scum would have to be careful about attracting attention, and doing what Slandaar is doing attracts alot of attention. even I, who can be an attention whore, keeps tabs on how much attention I am getting, and how well I can deflect that attention and where/who I can deflect it to as scum. Slandaar isn't giving a shit about who look at him at what way, which is something town does more then scum.

I'm willing to accept that you believe this. I don't know that I agree but that's fine.

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@PC: I'm not interested in rehashing this discussion today. You're not the lynch.

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here is a thought

how about we lynch the kernel

On what grounds? This is Uber totally just not playing. This isn't like any experience I've ever had with him and I doubt you have anything legitimately scummy in game from him so why?

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yeah he was talking to marangal

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Has guille posted in this game, even once?

p-edit: Lol, why?

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If there's a jester in the game then all that's gonna do is make me not sign up for another Venmar game. I don't operate normally on the condition that a jester might be in the game and you shouldn't either.

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There we are

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okay

@ borky then I still think cryo is likely town. I just finished a game where he was scum and he was a lot more controlled and pretty much had me fooled right up until we mass claimed and in the night round I did a reread and realised his claim did not make sense. but then I was nked. :/

this is nothing so far of what I have experienced of his scum game.

well that's entirely different than what your other head said so okie

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We need to make a whisk[e]y thread in GD

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@Jiffy: Pretty much everyone but the Irish.

Americans are split on it.

Anyway that's my fluff quota I'm done.

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I am only reconsidering you as possible town cos cryo has a point about your willingness to go 1v1 with him. I have my reservations but we will see.

An aside, but this is actually a pretty good summation of why I don't like cryo('s playstyle?) -- his play consists of doing questionable WIFOM producing moves and then making snap judgments about the responses to those (when by their nature, scum needs to just try to figure out which side of the WIFOM they need to come out on)

well I addressed cryo's whole gladiator approach and said it even looked like he was

trying

to get lynched. I hate to use the "j" but I can't tell you how many declarations of love I have received from jesters.

@PC -- this is the post I'm talking about (which I assumed was from Mala) and I'm just gonna stop doing that now.

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WELL I KNOW THAT NOW THANKS

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Maker's Mark spells it with no 'e'.

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We were wondering if you were trying to confuse us on purpose, but now I know that you seem to be confused while trying to tell the difference.

Yeah I just fucked up.

I guess the meta argument from cryo town is what it is, but before you guys referred to his play looking like he was trying to get lynched and I was wondering how you got a town read off of that.

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Hi I'm here prolly should've gone V/LA

Vote slandaar

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dude you're still on AP

there is a zero percent chance of AP happening today

DL is tomorrow

move your vote

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^ I echo the sentiment

but the answer is no

[borkjerfkin]

Because you claim to favor Messiah over a No-lynch.

Then you contribute to a No-lynch. That puts PC at what, 2 votes? Do you see that happening at all in ~18 hours?

[borkjerfkin]

Then you contribute to a No-lynch

oh crap. We no lynched today. I was pretty sure we had like 20 hours left.

Do you not understand the point I'm making or are you just being an a-hole?

[borkjerfkin]

P.edit @bork...

Well...there's seven votes not on Slandaar...Messiah...or PC. So anything is possible. Don't make it out like it is.

Yeah

in #1377 you had given up on PC yourself

But now all the sudden that shit's totally gonna happen?

Is it impossible? No. But I don't see us coming together in some sort of stars-align moment of clarity given the rest of the day thus far.

[borkjerfkin]

At bork...you yourself seem to prefer PC to Slandaar and Messiah yet you gave up on her wagon days ago.

I do prefer PC to either wagon, yes. I also felt I had to give up on the wagon as it wasn't moving.

That ship has sailed for D1. That doesn't mean it's not revisitable tomorrow.

[borkjerfkin]

Goddamn it.

I have 30 minutes.

What are the votes at?

[borkjerfkin]

Slandaar 1-shot Masonizer
Messiah Watcher

What are the odds we actually ran up two PRs on D1?

[borkjerfkin]

As opposed to an unlimited masonizer or you don't think a masonizer at all is likely?

[borkjerfkin]

Messiah's claim moved them to the scummier pile for me.

Why?

[borkjerfkin]

@Jal: Ok.

I can't in good conscience get on buldermar today as I've not even read him.

Why the fuck are we even talking about viomi.

p-edit @KoC - That's good to know; I'd never have known that since I know dick about GoW flavor.

I think I'm staying put.

[borkjerfkin]

I'm back

neighborizer != masonizer

neighborizer just gives the two people a QT and is alignment agnostic.

masonizer gives them a QT if the person recruited is town. Otherwise may kill the recruiter or do nothing.

@Jal -- you should probably not use EM logic for anything because EM is shitty.

Anyway it seems we're relegated to NLing and watching PRs bang on each other tonight.

[borkjerfkin]

the scum equivalent to town masonizer is nothing

[borkjerfkin]

The only EM logic I used is a mason dying when recruiting scum.

No reason to assume that here (although this is pretty much what we call a "Weak Neighborizer" here)

[borkjerfkin]

My mind says PC scum (I think her pushes/arguments yesterday were pretty much objectively flawed in reasoning/representation).

My gut says Slandaar scum (his general demeanor is kind of redirecty(?) instead of combative like PC, his cases are

weird

, his claim is somewhat questionable in that it's rare).

I doubt they're both scum; I had scumreads on both yesterday, although I preferred the PC lynch. I'd like Messiah to give more info too in case that makes the path clearer to me (or at least mention if he has a result related to one of them).

[borkjerfkin]

I don't know what it means considering lack of flips on either so far, but you clearly want me to say it makes Slandaar scum.

[borkjerfkin]

VOTE: Slandaar

Messiah's testimony makes this the place to be.

[borkjerfkin]

Oh, right. Well, the best bet for two scumteams would be Locust (the posterboy villains, led by Queen Myyrah) and the Lambent (introduced in GoW 2, come in human and Locust varieties both possessed by a parasite living in Imulsion, Sera's primary fuel source). However, the flavour indicated that both kills were performed by a Locust with no indication of Lambent infection, so... I dunno.

This seems like it's

a ripoff of

been influenced by Halo a bit =\

[borkjerfkin]

bulder has taken a one way trip to crazyville

Where did you get at any point that PC was an investigative role?

[borkjerfkin]

I'm delaying making more responses in fear of getting banned. Be back tomorrow I guess.

[borkjerfkin]

buld point to the PC post on page 76 (the page d2 started) that you're talking about

[borkjerfkin]

If she had an innocent investigation on me, she must be town.

Also this is

[borkjerfkin]

Yeah I'm just not buying this.

1) PC makes a vague statement that said she might have misread you. Your initial reaction was not at all to take this as a softclaim [~1930] (probably because it doesn't read like a softclaim)
2) #1980 is where you really turned around, and it should have been due to shit Messiah said, not anything PC may have hinted at.
3) #1981 just doesn't follow from #1980.
4) Seriously even in the hypothetical case where PC comes out and says "I am a cop and investigated buldermar last night and he came out town" does not make PC confirmed town. This is really obvious.

VOTE: buldermar

[borkjerfkin]

PC what's your read on buldermar? I didn't expect you not to be voting him and I REALLY didn't expect you to join a counterwagon against his.

[borkjerfkin]

PC what's your read on buldermar? I didn't expect you not to be voting him and I REALLY didn't expect you to join a counterwagon against his.

Obviously, because you don't trust the things I have been saying. If you did you'd understand.

VOTE: mac

Because I'm sheeping Messiah.

This question has nothing to do with you and everything to do with PC, so I'd like PC to answer.

[borkjerfkin]

Because in order to buy your stuff I have to assume that you noticed this "crumb" at the exact time that Messiah noted that nobody visited PC that night (which swung the pendulum the other way for D2 lynch)

That's a hell of a coincidence.

[borkjerfkin]

It looks like he unvoted because of my result in 1980, but in 1981 I think he was clarifying that he had just noticed the supposed innocent investigation crumb and that is actually why he unvoted. Is that accurate, Buldermar?

And considering he did it in a post where Mollie was

talking about your result

, I find this whole situation just bizarre. I also don't like the fact that buldermar says since PC just made a vague "crumb" (which she claims herself was not one) instead of claiming something makes it somehow more likely to come from town.

p-edit: I agree that Messiah is probably town just based on how the whole thing with Slandaar went down.

[borkjerfkin]

Yeah, that's what I meant.

I don't see the Buldermar!Scum in this. If he wanted a reason to unvote why wouldn't he just use my results? He obviously believed he saw a crumb.

I agree that I am finding it difficult to see definitive scum motivation here; however the whole angle from buldermar yesterday and today has just been really obtuse and pings me as trying to focus on something other than the actual pertinent issues at hand or pretending to not be reading.

p-edit: heh

[borkjerfkin]

No, you're quite correct. I don't know.

UNVOTE:

No longer feel like pushing this right now.

[borkjerfkin]

I don't see either of them as scum.

Like at all.

[borkjerfkin]

^ was to buld

[borkjerfkin]

Catching up here.

[borkjerfkin]

Considering I had no vested interest at that point to see either team win, I'll just leave my GG and let that be that.

ILU Uber, wherever you are.

[borkjerfkin]

killing AP was my one shining moment

[borkjerfkin]

oh

have this

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/ha2H8GVQkKRi

[borkjerfkin]

the highlight is majiffy bitching at me for saving his ass N2

[borkjerfkin]

I just read the Orange QT, I laugh at Qwints wanting to block me and Borkie wanting to kill me, but can't

I remember very specifically not wanting to kill you

[borkjerfkin]

Oh nvm i see what you mean

[borkjerfkin]

i should probably never hydra again, christ