Gears of War Mafia - ( Game Over! )

[guille2015]

Rubicon should have died last night. Which means that somebody did something that saved him, or he had some type of self safe of sorts. He is clearly scum. Goat is likely the real Doc.

[guille2015]

we probs only have one scum left now

no

How likely is there to be a 21p game with 2 rivaling scum as with 3 and 2 members. This type of speculation is quite harmful.

[guille2015]

@ Guille - by what voodoo was Rubicon supposed to die?

A bomb. I plant a bomb, they blowup the next day.

[guille2015]

We primed Bork, and blew him Night 3.

[guille2015]

A bomb that shoots through the head?

Yup, it's some pretty advance shit. Looney tunes style.

Actually, I asked Venmar, and he confirmed that's flavor and has nothing to do with how they actually died.

[guille2015]

but what is YOUR reason?

Wait, What other reason should he have?

[guille2015]

Yeah. But not as awesome as a full blown Vig, since I couldn't kill every day. It's a good thing for you, cause UN wanted you(AN) dead.

Personally, I don't see you as scum. That's one of the few things that we disagreed in our hydra.

[guille2015]

Why is there a night choice missing in your history?

I'm giving as much information as I think prudent. Do you think that I need to reveal more about My PC?

[guille2015]

Dripping Goofball: Coroner type

I missed this. When did this claim come up.

[guille2015]

Ms. Marangal: Un NKable cop aider type Person

I am very uncomfortable with this claim.

still think MS is lying

I actually agree with this.

[guille2015]

Why is there a night choice missing in your history?

I'm giving as much information as I think prudent. Do you think that I need to reveal more about My PC?

Yeah there are several night choices missing.

Yes there are. Revealing that will not help us. And it will give scum an aid in working out my power. I'm pretty sure Rubicon figured it out, but the other party likely hasn't.

[guille2015]

of course you would want me gone Goat, without me the cops cant work and get get a guilty result on you and your teammates. You also wouldn't be able to kill me at night so the only real way to get me out of the game is to lynch me. that's not going to happen

This is not really a soft claim though.

[guille2015]

Dripping Goofball: Coroner type

I missed this. When did this claim come up.

About the time when she said she checked the dead scum.

Well, I kinda wanted a link to said post. I not interested in going through ISOs.

[guille2015]

Dripping Goofball: Coroner type

I missed this. When did this claim come up.

About the time when she said she checked the dead scum.

Well, I kinda wanted a link to said post. I not interested in going through ISOs.

Look at post 3181. It's right before the post you asked me about.

Oh,. When I read that i figured that he went to the OP and read the death Flips. Which is likely what happened.

[guille2015]

I'm town. What else can I be?

[guille2015]

I'm town. What else can I be?

READ MY SIG

I actually agree with your sig.

But you have nothing to worry about me. There is a reason I don't want to say. That info is better of not known at this time. You should have gotten enough with me Killing Bork. And my attempt at Killing Rubicon. You should be content with that.

[guille2015]

Anyways, I'm off to bed.

[guille2015]

Rubi is scum

Scum lie between Ms Marangal and DGB.

Viomi needs to explain why he thinks the Goat is more likely to be scum than Rubi.

[guille2015]

BTW, that's typical UN play you captured there. But I can't use that as an argument. Ignoring that, I am Conf Town.

I claimed Bork's death (Orange) on a night where there were 4 kills. No Vigs have flipped and no one has counter claimed. Your unhealthy obsession with my PC is really scummy, smells exactly like scum trying to figure out how a vig power works. You want to know how much of a threat I am at nights.

Here is another tidbit of info. We killed Fitz too. On that same night. Here is how it works. We can Prime or detonate at night. We can only place one bomb a night, but we can detonate all the bombs at once.

Night 1, Primed Bork.
Night 2, Primed Fitz
Night 3, Fireworks.
Night 4, Prime Rubi.
Night 5, Blow.

I don't know how Rubi survived. But I find it unlikely that there was a roleblocker. I figure that a roleblocker would have blocked Messiah at some point in the last four nights when scum had enough players to make kills and actions, (If that's how it works). But this is just speculation, but it's a damn good reason to lynch Rubicon before Goat.

So, basically here is the thing. We killed two of the four players on Night 3. One of them was Orange. Nobody is claiming any of the kills. That was clear to see when I said I killed Bork at the start of the day. Is there any other Vig out there that wants to claim our kills? Without a claim you went on and developed an elaborate theory that I am orange just to fit your close minded obsession. The reason I kept shut for my power was two-fold. First so that scum can't realize the mechanism of my power. I made it look like if you were primed there was nothing you could do for surviving, which is quite useful. The second to see how much you insisted on a ConfTown player to out his power. Result: Scummy.

There, so what your play now?

[guille2015]

Scummy, scummy, and scummy.

[guille2015]

Yeah, I found it extremely funny.

[guille2015]

teh kernal is being kind of quiet except for giving a town read on pidgeywidgey which is....weird.

No it isn't.

also uber goober is my new best friend. he never tells me anything about himself so I don't have to pretend to be interested in the boring details of his life and mostly just blather on about my own. works out great. \o/

You're a pretty dynamite gal yourself.

so to the cgkernal hydra...why so quiet? and why do you have pidgeywidgey as town? I don't. he is unsure for me.

I'm not being quiet. I'm adjusting to remembering to log into another account because neither of us have this bookmarked on our mains so we won't alt-slip and let you all know who we are...

UberG and AANero hydras: please sign your posts.

We are Colonel Guile. Please refer to us as such.

Then there is the whole multiball theory.

This is worth discussing. Being somewhat of a Gear-head myself, there is the possibility of the Locust and the Lambent being two scum teams.

What's your take on it, Venmar?

Ok so right now AP is town, mastin is town,

bork is town

, Jal is town,

PirateCat is town.

We are in good shape. Who's left?

can you explain the bolded here then. & then point out where and why your opinions changed

Bork was one of our earliest scum reads. Since we wanted to prime him, we didn't want him lynched and waste that opportunity. I guess Pirate Cat was town quite early. UN kept changing his idea about that, but I distinguished Cat from Mollie and read the Cat as town. Hence why I didn't vote for PC when Slaandar was with that fake claim on her. We've been quite consistent with this. We either paid little attention or said they were town to those we wanted to prime or had primed. In order to get the bombs to work.

[guille2015]

If Rubicon flips red scum > AN not likely scum.
Rubicon likely red scum. Which means that both red buddies ragequit. Kinda makes sense. KOC & Rubijiffy voted together a lot, too. THen voted each other day 4? I could see it from those two.
Mac could be scum, possibly orange. (vc 1.14) (vc 1.20 not voting)

Correct play would be to lynch Mac before AN.

So I got Rubijiffy for red scum, and Mac for orange scum.

Viomi is in some sort of limbo, I'd have to iso that player, the wagon analysis doesn't say much either way.

I think the correct play is to let Rubi and Goat live one more day. The doc protects Messiah, and Messiah does what he wants. Today we lynch the scummiest.

[guille2015]

I don't know. I should have.

I don't know how Rubi survived. But I find it unlikely that there was a roleblocker. I figure that a roleblocker would have blocked Messiah at some point in the last four nights when scum had enough players to make kills and actions, (If that's how it works). But this is just speculation, but it's a damn good reason to lynch Rubicon before Goat.

qwints flipped mafia roleblocker. so there definitely isn't one now, but there was before.

Guille, could qwints have blocked you from priming me on Night 4? Or would you have been told.

I can't check the PMs since Colonel Guile was banned. but we had been receiving a report of the Bomb Status and who has the bomb. I'll ask Venmar to forward me the PMs.
Although its possible that I could have been blocked from Priming a bomb, but the report said that it was successful. At least as how I remember the PMs.

[guille2015]

Who do you want to lynch, then, Guille?

I'm think about that.

Personally, I got a bad feeling about DGB. Before UN was banned, he was all DGB is scum, I just feel it, in our QT. And I was against that idea. Today's reaction and Obsession to my PC made it seem like he was role fishing, like I said it seemed like he wanted to figure out how my power worked. I'm going to have to ISO her and Cryo.

Question to everybody

. How do you view DGB and Why?

Ms Marangal has been under the radar most of the game. She has posted a lot, like she normally does, but I feel that she has been rather tame. Not quite like I normally see her play. However, she was the driving force behind Qwint's wagon. Although I want to go check and see how that wagon appeared. It is unlikely that she bussed him like that, unless she miscalculated and didn't think that the wagon will actually result in a lynch. Not willing to lynch her, unless Rubi/Goat flips orange.

Viomi, has been utterly useless. But he.... She... has is like this on pretty much every game I've played with him, when she is town. I don't recognize her scum play thought.

AN. Well, UN gave Nero a lot of praise, and thought that Nero can't be town or he would have played better. I thought the opposite. I think Nero keeps tunneling the wrong people. Last time I played with him he got lynched and left no contribution. He's been utterly wrong the entire game and I don't think he is write about Mac and MS. By VCA alone, he should get lynched. This one is an acceptable lynch for me today, but I don't think this is his scum play.

Mac. looking at #2089, I find that mac cannot be Orange. This is a very strong intent to lynch PC. If he were orange, he suspect know that Slaandar was not busing PC and there for that PC was town. This post is a genuine (wrong) suspicion of scummy play by PC.

Acceptable lynches for today are AN and DGB.

[guille2015]

Acceptable lynches for today are AN and DGB.

You're at least 50% wrong. You think I bus'ed qwints? KOC?

That's the only reason I am not outright voting for you.

[guille2015]

Allllright but I want goat dead two

VOTE: Rubicon

So, let me get this straight. your saying that you want goat dead regardless of Rubicon's Flip?

[guille2015]

Any last words Rubicon?

[guille2015]

what is it i have to say?

[guille2015]

Everyone claims then

You first.

VOTE: Goat

Really?

[guille2015]

I'm a VT, Mac. I don't really know what a character claim would do but I suppose I can ask Venmar for my role pm again.

Can't you view your PMs, there is a pretty good search function there.

[guille2015]

I'm Baird.

[guille2015]

we probs only have one scum left now

no

How likely is there to be a 21p game with 2 rivaling scum as with 3 and 2 members. This type of speculation is quite harmful.

this posts still blows 'cause he was accusing me of speculating when site meta says that I'm right.

Anybody with a bit of reading comprehension will see that I am saying that MS's speculation is harmful. I either copied you by mistake or agreed with you at the time. Regardless of site meta, I've been seen games that where won by mafia because the size of the mafia was underestimated. Hence my comment. BTW, what is the site meta on the size of the Mafia teams?

UN gave Nero a lot of praise, and thought that Nero can't be town or he would have played better.

This is still stupid as shit.

Yes, It is stupid, that's why I told UN it was stupid. What does it have to do with anything.

He hasn't done any hunting today. He seems plausible.

Get of my back I was involved in the deaths of both red and orange. Also, you have been wrong the entire game. Tell me when have you been accurate?

[guille2015]

The Colonel Guille hydra did not want to lynch Slandaar and thought KoC was town for rage-quitting. he looks good for red at the moment.

The first part is accurate in that we didn't want to lynch either Messiah or Slaandar on Day 1. Day 2 is a different story. I started to question Slaandar in 1910, but I failed at the follow-up. The second part is incorrect as far as I remember. We voted for KoC for being scummy. His replacement was just the icing of the cake, which I find hilarious that he failed to replace out and is still in the game. Please refer to were we say that his town-rage was town.

[guille2015]

I realise that post was not helpful at all but it will come to me.

guille why haven't you been blowing shit up?

Yeah, I ran out of bombs when I tried to blow up Rubi. Had only 3 bombs.

[guille2015]

How do people feel about Messiah? there was some things that trouble me with regards to him.

a) his lack of fucking involvement.
b) just.. the set-up. Orange mafia ninja... town tracker... would it make sense for a red watcher?

I wish he was more involved, but I don't see him as scum, much less red scum. He fits as orange scum risking that claim since being orange he could deduce that Pirate was not scum, hence Slaandar did not visit PC.

I'm Going to be ISOing Nero in the following days.

[guille2015]

Why would he do that?

[guille2015]

Doing an ISO on Nero, Slaandar, and KoC yields 500+ posts. I need to narrow things down and systematically do things.

First, let's check how many times Slaandar and Koc Mention Nero. Answer: very little. I checked for every known itteration of the name, so correct me if I missed any:

That seems kinda a reach for this early in a game... I don't even particularly like meta cases at any point in a game, but this early just feels somewhat off.
@

Angelius

: have both heads posted, or is this just Arc/just Nero so far?

OK I read everything after being motivated by Mastins pro buddying technique

Town;
Bork
Mac
Mollie
Goat

Probably town;
Mastin
Jal

I think town:
Majiffy

NC

Undecided
AP

Might be scum
UN
GIF

Probably scum
KoC
ANG
Qwints
Maran

Scum
Cryo
Messiah

anyone I didn't put in this list I really don't have an opinion on; also; I didn't use hydra names because I mostly went from memory.

also; I expect this to be multiball.

I have noticed in my games that scum tend to either not mention their scum buddies, or mention them in completly irrelevant way. Slaandar has NC (Which I think is Nero Cain) as "I think" Town. However, he does not mention them at all, I don't see why. Also noted is that by this time in the game. KoC and Nero have gone after Majiffy. I assume slaandar felt that he had to defend Majiffy since his buddy was in the wagon.

EBWOP:

UNVOTE:

Evidence points to PC being town despite her flip flopping around on me a bit.

I think good votes are Viomi,

AN

or havingfitz. moreso the first two than fitz.

I can understand fitz and AN to some degree, would like to hear more reasoning (or be directed to it if I missed it) on Viomi outside of the hardcore lurking.

After having not given any attention to AN, he does mention here that AN is a good candidate for a lynch. Granted AN has been lurking on prior days.

I'm waiting on some confirmation from the mod for right now, but I got results on someone other than the person I actually targeted. Presumably it's some redirecting or bus driving, but the names are close enough to give me a little pause.

What the hell. This is Anti-Town. you don't mention that you have night actions.
Is this a new trick to earn town cred??

...you don't want the claimed town watcher to note that he has a night action? Are you even fucking reading the game at this point?

Not a serious attack from KoC.

I noticed a mayor Bus between Slaandar and KoC. More coming from KoC. This is expected since I have seen them both busing before. After KoC successfully buses Slaandar. It makes sense that KoC's buddy be AN since they are in no real threat of getting lynched at any point prior to KoC getting Lynched. Why would KoC bus, yet, even with very little attention thrown to them from other players, AN received two attacks from KoC that lead to nothing.

BTW, I plan to do this type of analysis on everyone here alive. I am assuming that Red had 3 scum partners or more (but doubt the more part) in which case that is my target.

Following post will consider AN's post in relation to all scum.

[guille2015]

You guys are fucking retarded.

vote: Koc

nothing else is happening today, if he flips scum then I'll tell you all why its stupid to lynch me. If he flips town then we should be lynching from Guile, Bcade, Mac, MS.

Tell us why it's stupid to lynch you?

[guille2015]

Venmar

: Can we get some prods out to Nero and whoever else is late.

Nero

: I want you to answer my question above.

Also Nero, If Angel hasn't posted on the hydra, I suggest you remove that hydra from the game, and replace in as Nero Cain.

[guille2015]

* Scum's only choice has been to kill off players other than myself and Goat (he could potentially kill Goat tonight going into LyLo if we mislynch today, though he'd be revealing himself to me if he did and lose any chance of turning me against the other party), and try to pull off something where he turns one of the two players in 3-way LyLo with him against the other. Overthinking and choking in LyLo is far from unheard of, but I think we can pull this off pretty easily, assuming I'm right about Goat/Guille and bar the last scum having a powerrole that turns the game on its head somehow (both of which are insignificantly likely as far as I can tell).

My thoughts are the same.

I am currently trying to figure out who is more likely to be scum from Mac or AN. Given that I doubt that Goat and Messiah are scum, and I'm town. The game from my perspective is easy. Lynch one of them first then lynch the other in Lylo. However, I rather hit scum today, just in the event that something bad might happened.

[guille2015]

I'm worried guille is not town either. what is your role name, guille?

I'm Baird.

The coolest character in the game, of course.

[guille2015]

Venmar Hasn't sent me Colonel Guile's PMs yet. I don't have the role Name specifically, As in I don't remember the details of the role.

I'll request it again.

[guille2015]

not as cool as Cole.

This is Blasphemous!!!!

[guille2015]

Why would Scum-AN keep talking about a KoC mislynch if they would know that KoC Will flip scum.

[guille2015]

Nero: I want you to answer my question above.

you know you're supposed to scum and not town, right? Or is it the other way around for you?

This makes no sense. I assuming this is a typo. Your suppose to tell us why it is stupid to Lynch you if KoC were scum. Just like you promised in 2883.

[guille2015]

Mac or AN. I haven't decided yet.

AN is the most obvious, mostly because he has been completely and utterly wrong the entire game on every single read he was given. Then KOC connection. Given also that Slaandar and Koc almost never mention AN and viceversa.

My concern, is that I don't know why scum would want to act like KoC will be a mislynch when they know as a fact that he wont. I'm asking here the more experience players of this. I've been playing for about 2 years (1 here). And that's something I have not seen scum do.

[guille2015]

I can't distinguish play between Mac and AN. Both have about the same interaction with read. Mac mentioned that AN is likely Red scum when most thought that Rubicon was the last red.

If I were to Sheep DGB, I'd go with an AN lynch.

Either way I find Messiah and Goat Uterly Town. Probability of them being Red is nil. Probability of them being 3rd party, very very low. With that, the only two suspicions for me are Mac and AN so, with two days of lynches, it should be fine.

I'll go follow Messiah's decision on this. I'll keep scouring the ISOs to see if I find anything.

[guille2015]

interesting.
Mac is practically Absent from KoC's and Slandaar's posts. Slandar RVS's MAC. And Places MAC in a town slot with no explanation. KoC quotes MaC twice. Nothing really of interest in said quotes, just agreement.

However, this is pretty much the same as AN's search, so it's not much.

[guille2015]

OK

Vote Mac

[guille2015]

Because I am Town. And you should know that. I don't know why you think I am not. Do you think I am Red or Orange?

[guille2015]

Guille, why is Goat town?

Because there is evidence that scum have not killed.

Night 1: 2 Kills (scum)
Night 2: 1 Kill (1 kill failed)
Night 3: 4 kills (2 mine, 2 scum kills)
Night 4: 1 Kill (1 Kill Failed)
Night 5: No deaths. (Rubicon was commuting, so he didn't make a Kill. 1 Failed kill by Red)
Night 6: 1 Kill. (scum)
Night 7: 1 Kill. (scum)

In total, 3 failed kills. Night 5 fail is the one that tells me that red targeted Messiah for the kill. Up to this point, there is no reason for scum not to kill.

[guille2015]

this was a very enjoyable game. I really enjoyed playing with UN, for what it lasted anyways. We had trouble ATF first, but our reads were quite good. I was usually telling UN who was town, and He was telling me who was scum.

It was almost impossible to think that Messiah was scum. But it those make sense in retrospect. I was wondering why he never ventured out into watching someone else when it was establish as a bad idea for scum to visit goat.

I'd like to think that I would have given Mac the benefit of the doubt if messiah killed goat, even with a watch result on Mac, because at the end of the day, I was thinking that Mac's best strategy was to either kill me or have a no kill. But whatever.

Fun game, good job Messiah.

[guille2015]

Sorry about that fitz. We thought you were scummy and we didn't want any of our targets to get lynched, so we didn't talk about any of our targets. To be fair when it came to blow, UN wanted to blow you up over Bork, and I wanted bork over you, so we compromised and killed both.