Gears of War Mafia - ( Game Over! )

[AngryPidgeon]

VOTE: Slandaar

Because Slandaar.

[AngryPidgeon]

Vote: AngryPidgeon

Sucks that you drew a scum role in this game, bro.

@Slandaar:

Uber, you aren't scum with GuyInFreezer are you?

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I see mollie around, but shes lurking in this thread! Clearly she and mala rolled scum. Which is ok, I expect them to implode if they did ^ ^.

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VOTE: Approximately Normal Guy
Hes scum.

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Gratz, ANG, you just got your first witch hunter on you. I won't give up until you are flip scum.

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KoC, you are chatting with conf-scum. Thought you should know.

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Ugh I can't tell who that is, but I think its Mollie. Hi Mollie?

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I will be calling you Molliekittens for the rest of the game btw. Also vote ANG. Although a UN policy lynch / investigate is also bueno.

Who is GIF? Oh guy in frezer. Why?

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I kind of like that Fitz vote.

@Mac: Ok, but if scum are doing it to appear more town then you are admitting that it is something town is also likely to do. Ergo, its a null tell. So why would he be scummy for it exactly?

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hmmm I'm still not sold. Bork are you scum?

What kind of post is this? Of course bork's not scum.

Help me UN. Help me in my quest to purge obvscum from the thread. Don't think about it, just sheep.

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Mac and Mastin are probably town. Mastin is town for the hilarious WIFOM of claiming miller in a game with me. Not going to say much else on that right now. Bork seems town too as does Arcangel, but those are lesser reads.

ANG is still scum.

P-edit: Also lol at mastin. I feel bad for you but only a little : P

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you honestly have no reason for calling me scum. Why not make a case instead

Ok, here is my case.

You are not at all concerned about my alignment despite me tunneling on you and being super adamant about it. You are mostly shrugging me off except when I keep insisting that you are scum and you discredit my push by saying I have no case. Thats a really scummy sentiment. You aren't saying that I am scum or that you are town - you are saying that I don't have a case, whilst not passing any judgment on my alignment. Its the mentality that catches me scum a LOT "You can't PROVE I'm scum, ergo I'm town". And you are trying to act like you are carefree, but your posts suggest otherwise.

And look at the above quote. LOOK AT IT. There is no way town says that. Come on. "you 'honestly' have no reason for calling me scum"?? That is from freaking scum who knows he has been caught but doesn't understand how. Lynch that.

@Nero: I promise Im town this game though. Im slippery when Im scum, but Im really obvious when Im town and that will be apparent this game.

@GIF: Why ask about scum's flavor at all then? Is it relevant to finding scum?

@qwints: There is no need for meta on me. If I'm not painfully obvtown by D3, then lynch the fuck out of me.

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mastin, would you mind giving me some flavor since you've already claimed? I have a good reason, I promise.

And a speed wagon doesn't mean its on town. Like, the wagon on Ztife in 1408 happened because he said something scummy and my gut reaction was to bus the crap out of him. Speaking of bussing, Im squinting a bit at Messiah.

Im liking ArcNero9 as town more and more. Neutral on Majiffy.

P-edit: I might be convinced to help lynch Messiah.

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UNVOTE: ; VOTE: Messiah

Lets see where this goes.

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I kind of like that Fitz vote.

@Mac: Ok, but if scum are doing it to appear more town then you are admitting that it is something town is also likely to do. Ergo, its a null tell. So why would he be scummy for it exactly?

I don't think town would make that posts though. I think it's pretty obvious Locust's are the bad guys from the flavor.

Mac is a gut feel, not super strong really. But I liked this post. Hes taking a fairly hard stance on this point and locking himself into a scumread on someone over something fairly minor. Just came off a bit strong to be from scum so early.

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Didn't majiffy do this exact same bullshit in overly posh mafia? And flip town? Just saying, I don't get why people are up in arms about lynching him, unless its pure policy..in which case, wagon-ho!

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KoC might be scum hiding behind an easy policy vote. Discuss?

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considering that you fooled Mastin with your meta, I find this post hypocritical.

..people are talking about lynching majiffy because hes being useless/troll. And Im saying that isn't a scumtell for him, its a nulltell from my perspective. I don't have a read on majiffy either way, really. I don't see why people THINK HE IS SCUMMY for something he does ALL THE TIME. Like I said, I can understand being frustrated by him since he is going out of his way to avoid being useful, but eh. Its not hypocritical in the slightest? Im saying Majiffy playing to his normal self is no reason to want to vote him, wtf? He isn't a townread. And ok about Mac I guess?

FFS Nero. Yes, I'm desperately trying to stop my buddy Majiffy from getting votes. Im even chainsawing KoC because why not!

@Mollie: Are you ... sober? Yes, Im def going for low hanging fruit because that totally my MO as scum .

Also I love the "I believe mastin... but he needs to be vig'd anyways" sentiment. Totally protown. In fact 209 as a whole is awfully waffly. ANG/KoC/Molliekittens/Messiah looking scummy so far.

And who between Nero Cangel9 and Majiffy do you think is scum - why?

P-edit: Why the goat?

P-P-edit: Jal! Hi!

P-P-Pedit: I personally believe that mastin would never claim miller as scum. WIFOM, I know but its a playstyle thing on his end. He HATES to lock into claims as scum. Believe me. Also I think Jal is town.

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MOST

fast

wagons are town lynchs.

ftfy.

I dunno Jal, UN feels a little too useless to be scum right now. trollface.jpg

And I 100% agree on Molliekittiens. They feel like they are here and posting, but not really doing much. Likely scum.

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Ok, lets say someone dies N1 and flips 'Town Cop'. Is vigging Mastin still the right move before end game? His negative utility means absolutely nothing at that point. Hes effectively a VT claim, but you still think he should be PL'd regardless before lylo?

Actually, no. Lets stop. I don't argue mafia theory as town. Its never worth it and it doesn't mean anything.

But you are probably scum for trying to hedge me into your suspects list with awkward sideways suspicions for reasons. What about Nero/Majiffy looks scum/scum and why are you not voting one of them then?

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If by directly FoSing you mean: "Ap, you aren't going for low hanging fruit are you?" followed by "You are such scum aren't you"

Its really weak. And that follow up just feels really wishywashy considering you claim to think Im scum BEFORE that point.

@Jal: ya, Goat seems town.

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@Bork: Ok, why do you not like my PirateCat scumread?
@Mollie: Fitz voted you and I liked his vote. I forgot that was the other half of your read on me. OMGUS to you too.

And I'll buddy Fitzy as much as I want. Although the people I buddy always wind up flipping scum...

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I'm here, I need to catch up.

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Mollie getting worked up about a random vote outside of RVS is very likely to be town motivated

Uhhhhh

Ok, Im about 2 pages behind. Be back in a bit. I don't like Malak defending Mollie's scumwall.

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not trying to read me.

Valid point, but they seem to be lightly trolling anyhow.

Hey, AP, you can read Jal, right? Gonna need you to tell me if this is scum-Jal or not.

I haven't put too much effort into parsing her posts, but I'm getting a gut town feel from her. I'm not that great at reading Jal, but right now I would carelessly throw her in the town pile.

Not to be a broken record, but I kind of agree with your qwints read. (Seriously, every freaking game since Futurama I have thought qwints was scum at some point). And I am town >.<

LOL mastin. Can you only use smilies/images to describe your reads from now on?

You all are silly.

Said the guy voting one of his few proclaimed townreads.

Majiffy/AANero are quickly turning this game into NY161. Thank god Vifam isn't here. Reads consolidation in next post.

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Everyone below the ---- line in their category is a weaker read. I can expand on this later or ask if you want a specific read.

Scum Heap

Messiah
Knight of Cydonia
Approximately Normal Guy
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PirateCat
qwints
CryoNudist* (mainly sheeping Slandaar's suspicion here)

Town Stack

Angelious Nero
borkjerfkin
Mac
Jal
mastin2
Slandaar
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Majiffy
The Goat
Ms Marangal
Colonel Guile

Everyone else:

Bitmap
PeregrineV
havingfitz
GuyinFreezer

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@mastin: Ok well Im town. And I know me saying that doesn't mean a whole lot since you and I have a hilarious history of being good at AtE. (damn it)

Why are bitmap/MsMarangal a scum read? Majiffy too for that matter.

I would be 100% down with a cryonudist or Messiag wagon right now, but Im acually quite quite happy with my messiah vote. His latest post feels like a way too look opinionated without contributing and dodging current issues.

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I really do not understand why so many people are suspicious of Majiffy.

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I want you to point at the rest of the people on my list and tell me where you think I've gone right or wrong

Why are bitmap/MsMarangal a scum read? Majiffy too for that matter.

Bitmap is flaking hardcore. Which is a pretty null tell for him (if not a really light town tell). But I mean really he has 2 posts. One is a RV and one is no content. I don't see how anyone could have anything there.

though I don't get why Pidgeon is role-fishing someone who had already outed their role...

You mean my question to mastin? I was dead serious about that and I still do want some flavor from him. I do have a reason for that. Why is asking for flavor to accompany a roleclaim odd? Is it not normal in themes to claim flavor when you claim?

Mastin: I'll cede my Marangal townlean. She doesn't look that good in ISO.

P-EDIT:
I liked Fitz's vote on Molliekittens. Not really indicative of his alignment, but I was feeling lightly suspicious of them at that point and was interested that Fitz apparently was as well.
Who is GIF? If I had to guess, I'd say null-town for his flavor spec. He hasn't posted much that stood out to me. His last post to ANG looked weird and possibly scum/scum.
I want to ISO Molliekittens when I have time and try not to be biased on it. I've been moderately certain they were scum since Mollie's first wall and her response to me after it. I guess thats mostly a gut feel. Mollie just feels weird this game and I don't know why Malak was so interested in discussing Mollie's post with people. (She knows mollie's alignment, why care what someone finds scummy about it? Surely whoever said it was scummy isn't just going to implode on being asked why)
I need to reread Cryo as well. He is another player that snuck by me this game (like I forgot PV was in the game, I kinda forgot he was in it as well). I like you for town though and we both seem to think Slandaar looks town and I liked Slandaar's post about Cryo - it just caught my eye. But I need to ISO cryo in a bit.

@Arcangel: I maintain that Bitmap flaking is not a scumtell. I've seen him flake before. I'll admit that Marangal doesn't look that good after an ISO. In fact I really dislike her saying Mollie is town for caring about an RV.

PPedit: I can't respond to all that, sec.

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Mollie is a glorified VI, we should like ignore her. I would also like AP's response to my post telling him that I don't think Mac is taking a "hard stance".

Mac put down a RVS vote on GIF in 10. In 49 he heavily implies that GIF is scum. He never really pushes a lynch at all so I’m not sure at all where AP is coming from.

isoing mac/GIF...

Mmm, I really don't see Mac scum. From a 'stronger' player, I would get your point Nero.

I'm really not sure what to say. Between the RV and the next post, GIF made the comment about flavor spec that got a decent amount of attention. Apparently Mac didn't get why it looked town to Bork and then said he didn't get why town would post it. His stance on it was that "I don't think town would make that posts though." which lacks conviction, sure, but he is locking himself into a GIF scumread over something small and my initial reaction is that this guy probably wouldn't do that as scum.

And ya I see that he isn't pushing GIF for it, but really neither of them have been a big presence and I would have expected more posturing/followup on that from scum anyhow rather than just moving along.

I understand why people think Mac is scummy, but I disagree.

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Also I'm seriously not a Cylon this game > <

In case I haven't said that enough.

Angel, could you remind of your guys read on KoC? And Why? Mastin, why is KoC a town lean?

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@Arcangel: I only started talking about Mac because Nero asked me specifically to respond to his post about my opinion on Mac; Mac has mostly been a nonentity this game and I didn't consider a singular vote on him to be super notable at the time.

I pretty much agree with 95% of Slandaar's reads and I think Slandaar is town so that is awesome. I'm really amused that a fair number of people don't know what to make of me this game.

So, who has a scumread on Messiah, raise your hands. Because I think Slandaar, me, mastin, Nero, Majiffy have all talked about that now. Lets lynch Messiah.

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But your question was why we voted Mac.

I don't remember asking that? I remember asking your read on KoC? I dunno. Don't care a whole lot since I'm pretty sure you/Nero are town.

P-edit: Oh god that makes the hydra so much scummier.

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Im going to say PV looks town for that post.

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This Mac pressure seriously sucks though. Messiah is a quality lynch.

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^ Well, of those I would be most likely to vote KoC.

Messiah's posts feel really forced. For someone kind of lurking his way through the game, his ping with mastin2 feels weird.

His only content is about how ANG is obvscum and mastin is ???

This is exactly why I voted for you

^ Subconscious need to rationalize his actions

This is a scum post.

vote: ANG

Doesn't bother to expand on this until pinged by ANG later? Does he want support for this or not?

ANG still reads as scum for the reasons I've previously stated

More justifying his posts for no reason.

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I have a really good track record at reading PV.

PV's last post feels like town-PV. More of what the post lacks than what it has. Hes not coughing up scum reads that he doesn't have or actively trying to look busy.

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MollieK, I really want to talk. I'm one of the few people not town-reading you this game and I can't tell if its because I'm paranoid (definitely possible) or we really aren't working towards the same win con. So what is your read on me right now? I'd appreciate a stream of thoughts from one of yo about why your opinion of me is what it is. Why is mastin such a liability that he should be vig'd? Mastin is more valuable than you think. I really don't get why you would think he is town but insist that he must go for his claim.

Why was Ms Marangal scummy circa post 270?

If you had to give me your combined top 5 townreads and top 2 scumreads, who would they be?

Also, @mastin. Yes you. I think I know what you are getting at. But I swear I'm not scum this game and there will be no need to be looking at me even beyond Today. Seriously. I will be disappointed if you don't trust me this game.

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So AP isn't scum...his reads are just terrible or so he says.

When did I say my reads were terrible?

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It was destiny. Who else is mentioned in your role card btw?

I kinda want to form a town bloc with Goat, Slandaar, mastin2, Majiffy and AA9/Nero. Pretty sure of those townreads (just gotta stop Nero/AA from trying to kill Majiffy). And most of those townreads are sure of MollieK. In hindsight, I think Majiffy is right about Mollie playing par for the town course.

Other town reads: Jal, PV, Bork, Mac

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Jal is a little weaker read. Her mastin2 vote is really bad. But I feel like shes stepping on a lot of people's toes and doesn;t really care. Outing the hydra identity is not something you do when you are trying to get on people's good side; feels like Rob V Mollie did in NY161.

She feels a bit unconcerned with what people think of her posts. Like her theory that mastin2 is more likely 3rd party than scum and her vague stance on the goat in 235. I know those are small things, but she just feels like shes taking the game in her own stride and uninterested in other people's bullshit. Not the strongest read I've ever had, but its there. I feel like mastin

Slandaar...I see Jal's point about his scum play and this not looking like it. His shove on Cryonudist feels townie. Hes just kind of calling them confscum and making a case that is fairly personal and unlikely to be easy to convince the masses of. It feels like he really believes his case; if he is scum, he is shoving an awfully construed point against them. He feels bold and a bit carefree. And I like a lot of his reads. And I 100% understand why he has a null read on me. Dunno, just feel like I get him. In a similar way that I think mastin2 is town this game.

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In Posh mafia, you had the most town posts at 503 and town lost.

I wish Vifam were in this game so I could vote him : P

@Mastin: I agree about Majiffy. Of my strong townreads, he is the one I could be wrong about. He _feels_ town to me this game, but I know Majiffy is majiffy. Majiffy, could you explain your Slandaar scumread?

-We need to work on:
Colonel Guile (UN/Guille), MS Marangal, Bitmap, KoC, qwints, havingfitz, GuyInFreezer

I really want to see more content from these players. Guile is a very weak townread (for calling me town but not bothering to check/move his vote and just otherwise not pretending to be helpful). Oh I see you also said hes a weak townread ><

Bitmap a gut-scumread.

Im not really getting anything from Bitmap's two posts. And I know he said in his modded game that he was going V/LA for an extended period of time...would be nice to get a replacement if hes really going to flake from the thread like that. I've played with bitmap and I've seen him flake; I really don't think flaking is a scumtell from him. My really deep gut wants to say Bitmap is more likely town than not for forgetting about this game (its more memorable when you draw scum), but I don't want to call him anything other than null right now.

I really need more from Fitz - I feel I can read him pretty well, but his inactivity is throwing me off.

I like the Marangal scumread, I think. I'd put her on the scummy side of null. I want to hear Mollie's spiel about her scumread there.

I scumread qwints at some point in every game we play together. That said, I tend to think Qwints is scum this game and I'm curious why Goat thinks he is town .

KoC is one of the people that is getting read differently by a lot of people. I didn't like his Majiffy push, but that could be a playstyle thing from him. Really need more content there.

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I see AA/Nero like Cryo for scum. I don't see anyone townreading that slot, possibly a better lynch than Messiah.

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^ Mastin kind of did in 569.

@Nero: I don't know what you mean. I think Cryo is scummy. Almost all of my townreads think Cryo is scummy. Almost no one thinks he is town. That makes him a great lynch even if hes not my #1 pick for scum right now.

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AP - mind linking to me the games you read PV in correctly?

Oops, somehow I missed this. Is this Malak? : P

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4446565
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=25367

Also - I wasn't in the game but I was kind of reading this one and id'd him as scum.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=22419

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Seriously, CN, use those brains of yours and riddle me this. What does it gain town-you to lurk all game and then snap agree to 1v1 everyone's other favorite scum pick? Have you read the thread? Do you even think Messiah is scum on your own?

I don't see any motivation to do what you are doing, so I'm going to assume you are just scum pulling shenanigans.

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Really? You are a good information lynch despite not having read the thread? I'm sure we will be able to divine tons from you flipping.

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Holy crap, I think AA9 is turning into Nero Cain.

But pretty much that. CN is openly playing anti-town if he is town, so you know. Not a bad lynch either way.

And I really don't buy for a second that they arbitrarily think that they/Messiah are a great info lynch despite not having read.

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Unvote: Messiah
Vote: CryoNudist

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VOTE: CryoNudist

Scum CN motivation:

Hey, mastin just nailed me and my scum buddy. Maybe if I volunteer to 1v1, one of us ends up cleared!

If messiah tips town, this needs to die for setting up 2 town lynches.

Wrong. If you flip town, then that blows qwints's theory that you are scum/scum (and his lined up lynch based off that) out of the water.

Ergo you just scum slipped.

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AA9 has been improving a lot as a player recently.

And her play this game has been quite good. Can't say the same for you

And wtf. Your recent posts have all been either trolling (Majiffy might be town, I _guess_ we'll just sheep the flow chart, hurrrrr), spontaneous VT claims, or agreeing to anti-town measures without reading the thread.

Come the FUCK on. I hope for your sake that you aren't actually town.

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Sorry, but I was pretty upset that you felt it appropriate to insult AA9 despite your performance in this game.

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..
Mine was awful but Bork's wasn't?

And why does it suck? Please spare me any and all BS. Thanks in advance.
P-edit: What do you agree on?

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Bork is town because "I'd rather vote Cryo than Messiah" is a better vote than the guy who has actually made more points against Cryo than anyone in the thread.

Nero, I really don't care. Get your hydra dissonance shaped up. And I know you have a vendetta against me since HPATPL. Get over it.

Majiffy, I'm at a loss for words. I really don't have a townread on you anymore.

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His actually had a reasonable statement to support the switch,

VOTE: Messiah

This is the only wagon I'm even remotely comfortable with right now

VOTE: CN

This seems way better than messiah

I'd love to hear you explain how that was 'a reasonable statement'.

Also while we're at it, why are qwints/Mastin's votes unimportant?

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So you think I'm scum with Messiah?

Cool. Well I'm like 80% sure you are just baiting me into a bullshit fight that you know won't go anywhere.

I want you to justify your BS arbitrary statements. And explain how Bork's quote (especially in light of the one he voted messiah) is 'reasonable' because it looks like you are just saying whatever you want.

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-There aren't 40 pages in this game.
-AA9 was the only person that switched to a Cryo vote in those 40 posts.
-Cool, I don't see how referencing that there are 40 posts between Bork's votes makes Bork's super-vague statement hold any more water.

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Ok, then you still haven't explained why Bork's statement was reasonable. I asked 2 things, I got a troll one sentence BARELY comprehensible response back that did not even tell me which of my concerns it was addressing.

Mollie, I'm pretty disappointed at your recent contribution.

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Lol. Im saying you have a desire to beat me that stems from hpatpl and is manifesting as confirmation bias.

So, sure, Im discrediting you. You are voting town right now.

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No.

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I was driving home. You know. On the freeway.

See what I mean about confirmation bias?

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lol. Thats slightly ironic.

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Is Marangal usually this dramatic? No offense?

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This. game.

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Ok, I'll give this one more shot at being civil.

Majiffy, having played NY161 with me, do you still think me wagon hopping on a whim is a scumtell?

Nero, why are you voting me?

[AngryPidgeon]

Nero, why are you voting me?

An actual post please. Not 'YOU KNOW WHY, HURRR.'

Thanks.

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@Slandaar: Really? Im not even being accused of anything. Majiffy has said Cryo is prob town and my vote on him was scum on town. For....switching my vote and trying to organize a compromise lynch.

You agreeith his points on me? Which he admits are 100% predicated on a cryo townflip?

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There was nothing to defend myself from. Really, go look and read the context. Im frustrated because I see a wagon on me forming for literally no provided reason. I try to talk to majiffy/nero but Nero IS doing exactly what I said despite not knowing it and majiffy was just an ass back when I tried to talk to him. So yes, im pissed and not sure what to say.

Majiffy SHOULD know better than this. Nero is nero.

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I'm pretty sure my reads wouldn't change from a reread. Nero is still town. I think you are town still. Majiffy null leaning scum.

And a reread has the possibility of pissing me off again. Seriously though. You find my reaction to Majiffy scummy. He is calling me scummy for something that happened BEFORE that. There is nothing there. Its most likely Majiffy creating a sideshow to the Cryo wagon, because his vote on me has no backing other than "it looks like a vote hop" which I expect from players who suffer from blind zeal (Nero Cain). Come ON. I'll probably reread D1 over the night anyhow.

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Nero, I asked you for a legit post. Not "the evidence suggests you are scum".

Please don't post at me unless you want to actually talk. Because I'm seriously over responding to shit like that ^.

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Wow. You are being a hard-headed ass, even for Nero Cain.

But AA9 on the phone, I want to complain to her.

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Put*

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GuyInFreezer, how much do you know about Gears of War? Do you think there is more than one scum team?

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But Jal, you are one of the few people not making me insane this game.

Qwints, what is your read on me? I assume your rockhard AP tell has to do with me responding to pressure.

[AngryPidgeon]

Pretty sure MS = Ms Marangal.

UNVOTE: Cryo
VOTE: Knight of Cydonia

[AngryPidgeon]

How about we just start abbreviating Knight of Cydonia to scum.
I feel more town about Cryo after 713. Mainly because they aren't really offering any opinions except that Im town which isn't exactly a way for them to avoid suspicion.
More scum about mollie now that I'm not the only one that sees it apparently.
KoC is the bet lynch - make it so.

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Once again, its what isn't in their response rather than what is.

@mastin: Im leaning town on GIF now. If I were you, I'd look into Majiffy in the future, if I turn up dead or whatever.

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Huh, I saw mastin lurking just a sec ago.

P-edit: Why not Marangal? I'll admit he is one of my 'on-the-fence' reads, but he should be considered down the line.

I'd much rather lynch KoC/Messiah/ANG right now.

P-edit:

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Im not dwelling on hpatpl....REMEMBER HOW AP WAS SCUM IN HPATPL???

solid posting nero.

phone running out of batteries

Mollie needs to be vigged. Shes scum too.

[AngryPidgeon]

Honest to fuck, Nero.

I ask you to explain your suspicion on me. You say "Lol, no, I don't talk to scum, which you are! Also, you were scum in HPATPL and mastin sucks at reading you!"

And you accuse me of playing like shit.

I've never been closer to replacing out of a game before. I can only tolerate so much of that. Im claiming if I get one more vote. Enjoy my blatant AtF.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'd say 'clever' in a sarcastic way if I even knew what you were implying.

[AngryPidgeon]

Nero, you sheeped me in 116.

Then you apparently had a townread on me that was drifting to null in post 211 for defending Majiffy.

Then magically in post 420 Im scum.

Then you vote me for voting someone I have been calling scum when my policy has OBVIOUSLY been to coordinate with my townreads on a good compromise.

Do you see why I feel like you are just intentionally trolling me?

[AngryPidgeon]

Also, I love how Nero just got caught in a lie. Because hes probably not scum, but its something he would think were scummy if someone else did it.

[AngryPidgeon]

Lol. You didn't call me scummy for it. You pointed it out. Then you are trying to take credit for iut when really Majiffy was shoving that case. And your original reason for thinking I was no longer a townread was that I defended Majiffy. And now you are totally happy to BW hop on majiffy's wagon.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ya, Im not lynching Cryo today.

[AngryPidgeon]

Do you see why I feel like you are just intentionally trolling me?

>Implying he's town
>Implying you know he's town

Thanks for confirmations.

I've been calling him obvtown all game?

[AngryPidgeon]

I realize Cryo could be trying to buddy me, but I also like to think that I'm right on my gut feel about them actually being town.

@Slandaar: "Forgot you were even in the game." -Cryonudist. You really think this is a lie? It feels a bit bold to actually be a lie given that their reactions to you are what made everyone start looking tat them in the first place. Dangerous WIFOM, I know, but I really would bet they flip town right now.

I'd rather lynch KoC/ANG/Messiah, but Cryo is looking like a compromise lynch that I will ultimately support.

@MollieK, I guess I feel different because I was genuinely not enjoying the game. Also, I have no idea how you figured Slandaar was 18.
@Mollie: Thanks for that last post. You know how to cheer me up : )

@qwints: GIF is sheeping Jal's belief that mastin is likely 3rd party. So I guess he thinks mastin is a SK claiming miller.

I'd really like to lynch KoC.

[AngryPidgeon]

town role pm>>>town motivation>>>town motivated posts.

I like you. I like this.

Ok, I think/hope Molliekittens are town. Mollie's recent posts feel really genuine to me, although I know it is possible to hide behind genuine frustration as scum because I have definitely done that. That said, I like her content on Cryo (and that she is taking an unpopular stance) amidst a slew of random side comments; basically, she doesn't feel like shes appealing to anyone or actively trying to look busy (on top of her emotion feeling genuine).

Nero, I will sigbet you on my alignment. If I win, Pirate Mollie gets to pick your sig for 3 months. (Note my subtle sarcasm here, because this WIFOM and AtE that I provide as my defense is basically the same level of non-posting you have put into rationalizing your scumread on me.)

In all seriousness though, in what game have I ever not slung my vote around? I'm ironically playing more towards my recent scum meta by voteparking Messiah as long as I did,despite him being not-here. And don't you find it even remotely hypocritical that you are flinging mud at mastin to discredit his townread on me?

Hey, KoC, I'm over here. No need to be whispering sweet nothings in Nero's ear over there.

---

As much as I respect that mastin is attempting a power play with the Cryo lynch, I really think we have better options.

MollieKittens, who would you two want to lynch the most? I see MalaK mentioned Cryo and PM has mentioned Cryo as a townread. Mollie mentioned KoC who Malak thinks is town apparently. So is there anyone you two agree on for scum?

Would not lynch today: Goat, MsMarangal, mastin2, Slandaar, PirateCat, Angelious Nero, Jal, PV, Mac. Would prefer to not lynch: qwints, Fitz, Bitmap, Guy in Freezer, Cryo, Guile, bork.
Leaving: Majiffy, ANG, KoC, Messiah.

So, if I'm being realistic: ANG, KoC, Messiah, Cryo, Guile are lynchable. I'd like people to comment on all those players.

[AngryPidgeon]

VOTE: Messiah

[AngryPidgeon]

While I do so, Ap you're going to have to tell me how I keep you sane when I left off with a Mastin vote vastly disagreed with.

You keeping me sane has nothing to do with your reads.

Because unflipped associative tells always work!

Said the guy calling a KoC/AP team.

Majiffy is scum.

I know, right? Its not super apparent until he makes a cse on you. Then you realize hes just full of it.

P-edit: ^ Hmph. That post makes me kind of want to sheep it. We need to start narrowing our options down. Personally I'd love to lynch Majiffy. MollieKittens, what were your opinions on that slot?

[AngryPidgeon]

Ok, Im actually busy today so Im quarantining myself from MS except possibly around lunch time until after 6pm.

I like KoC's last post. Guessing he actually is town.
I don't like Bork's reads list post; it feels really forced.

[AngryPidgeon]

I honestly found myself wondering today why Slandaar was such a strong townread and I think its partly because I _want_ him to be town. I agreed with most of his reads at that one point, but it was/is mostly a gut read that Im starting to realize was never _that_ strong. That said, hes actually not the _worst_ lynch today.

I kind of doubt Bork/Majiffy are scum together, but I doubt they are both town. I could almost buy a Bork/Slandaar team. I actually might vote Slandaar over Cryo right now since I can point to things of theirs that look fairly town.

P-edit: You felt the need to write something about _everyone_ even when it was not really necessary. "Mac is town, but I can't remember why.".. Ok? You put a shitton of effort into that post evidently, but decided to exclude why you thought Mac was town or fish up a quote number or something to justify it? Just feels an awful lot like McStab from mini 1347 as scum (Slandaar will get me).

And a few of your reads there are a little sketchy. Like why is mastin town for 'town bloc stuff', claim WIFOM aside? You call me scum, but admit that most (all but 1 now?) of your original reasons for suspecting me are invalid. You call Guile nulltown without actually saying anything townie about what he has done. You call qwints null and bother explaining why, feels weird that you spend more time justifying a null read than some of your townreads here.

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh, and there is no real conclusion to your post like "Ok, Im fine with lynching players x, y, z today, what about everyone else?"

You put all that time into formatting/writing that up and I can't tell why.

[AngryPidgeon]

Inb4 mastin2 having a stroke when he comes back. Ok, AP out.

[AngryPidgeon]

I want people to know where I stand on people.

fuck fuck fuck, Im seriously leaving. Not getting dragged into a debate.

But if the above ^ were true, then you would have just made a list. I got the impression you wanted people to know

why

you stand the way you do on people. Because making a post that shows how you stand on the player list is easy and fast and requires minimal justification. You were being explicit on reasons for reads, but never really went anywhere with the post. It just feels weird >.>. </nitpicking>

I think KoC is kind of town for ignoring me, but his post to Slandaar read lke genuine frustration. If Slandaar flips scum, I might consider a KoC/Slandaar team, but if Slandy is town KoC is probtown imo.

[AngryPidgeon]

I find that people who try to form cohesive town blocs are generally town.

I was the first person to suggest a town bloc. Mastin just kind of went with it.

And no I'm not being snarky like Thor. You said

You're only ok with it now because it's buddyish toward you.

and I'm frustrated because you are either saying Im dumb town that is getting buddied by another player blatantly or scum who is just desperately reaching for allies.

without actually thinking I might have some reason for thinking they are town. Seriously, remember in NY161 where Zab claimed VT and matt and I decided he was probtown and tried to wagon majiffy? I dont always see things that look genuinely town, but when I do I trust my instincts. You just discredited whatever reason I may have had and had the gall to tell ME that my townread on them had no justification when really I am town and I believe I had a decent reason for thinking they are town. But you didn't even bother to ask me to back my shit up - you just tell me that Im either blatant scum or getting played as a fool. So ya I didn't really have anythingto respond to that with other than a barrage of sarcastic smilies. What do you want me to say? 1. Im not scum. 2. I have a gut town read on them for reaching out to me and only me. There it is. Now you probably don't see the validity behind my 2 points (assuming you really don't know my alignment / trust me) so what was the point of saying it over sarcastic smilies? At least the smilies made me feel entitled.

[AngryPidgeon]

still liking AN, pidgeywidgey and cryo for town

why are you talking to scummy looking pidgeywidgey. I am not sure if he is scum

pidgeywidgey needs to be looked at tomorrow.

UNVOTE: ; VOTE: Piratecat.

[AngryPidgeon]

PC are quite clearly talking out of both sides of their mouth ^. I was a light-moderate townread for BOTH sides of the hydra recently yet Mollie suddenly goes from "AP is prob town" to asking why Bork is interacting with 'scummy pidgeywidgey' and encouraging people to look at me tomorrow. Shes scum and can't remember that she thinks Im town. Piratecat is a quality vote.

[AngryPidgeon]

I have no idea, who even is on the wagon?

[L-5] Slandaar: Majiffy, Messiah, PirateCat, borkjerfkin, Knight of Cydonia, CryoNudist

Any guess I give you is pretty arbitrary. I don't like to use VCs as the main thrust of my suspicions.

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh, I meant to guess 2 scum. Somehow I deleted that or forgot to actually write it oO. Im going slightly mad.

Also, gone for about 5 hours.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ugh, I keep saying Im leaving, and then seeing something I feel like I need to comment on.

@Mollie You are simultaneously accusing me of OMGUSing you (ergo you think Im scum) and saying that I cherrypicked your post (apparently you don't think Im scum). So which is it?

Im saying that you and Malak have been listing me as one of your townreads (Malak has been for awhile and you have been for a lesser amount of time). Suddenly you are talking to bork about me and how I'm scummy and might be scum? And you fucking said I need to be looked into tomorrow, so no taking back THAT. You clearly were saying I am scummy in that post yet in your VERY LAST POST you mentioned me as one of 3 townreads worth mentioning. No idea where you stand on Bork at all because Im not looking atm, but IIRC you never mentioned him that much - but now you are talking to him about me being scummy when I was a townread of yours?

@qwints: I also took back my scumread on KoC in my first post of today.

[AngryPidgeon]

saying that I cherrypicked your post

you left out a key part of my post and that is telling. you cherry picked "scummy looking pidgeywidgey" but did not post the post in its entirety in which I followed it up with "I am not sure if he is scum though".

First of all, 'I'm not sure he is scum' sounds like you think Im a null or null-scum read.
Second, you are implying that YOU had a townfeel on me in this post and that that was obvious and that I decided to ignore it. How am I omgusing you if, as you claim, it should have been obvious to me that you had a townread on me and I cherrypicked that away?

Can't have your cake and eat it too Mollie.

[AngryPidgeon]

this head has been sus of you all game

still liking AN, pidgeywidgey and cryo for town

Confirm vote: Scum kittens

1. I DID add Cryo to my suspect pool way before voting him (even if the reasoning was vague, I remember at least saying I was supporting Slandaar's post about them) so, no, I did not vote them out of the blue. I was ALSO actively working with my townreads to work towards a compromise and CN's name kept coming up which is another reason I was ready to compromise on that slot. That was all quite clear if you look at my iso, Im sure.
2. Really? Im justifying an OMGUS vote? The entire point of OMGUS is that it ISN'T justified. And given that Im getting shit for 'omgusing' majiffy, why the hell would I try to hedge in an OMGUS on you as scum? But AP, thats WIFOM! NO, YOU ARE ACCUSING ME OF DOING IT ON PURPOSE SO EXPLAIN WHY I WOULD.

3. You NEVER said it was based on my recent interactions with Bork. You said

why are you talking to scummy looking pidgeywidgey. I am not sure if he is scum but

I disagree with his whole line of thinking in this game

and in posh we were on the same page nearly all of the time even when we were both being retardedly wrong, lol.

but ONE POST BEFORE, you said I was a townread and you in NO WAY mentioned Bork's nteractions with me as a reason for suspecting me. The bolded was all you offered.

You are blatantly lying.

[AngryPidgeon]

borky

why are you talking to scummy looking pidgeywidgey. I am not sure if he is scum but I disagree with his whole line of thinking in this game and in posh we were on the same page nearly all of the time even when we were both being retardedly wrong, lol.

I think cryo is town. I think there is little motivation to push a 1v1 on d1 even if you are under fire. his vt claim supports why he would suggest it in the first place; to maximise info for town. scum are unlikely to do this cos it forces their scummates to either bus, defend or avoid altogether and depending on

how

they did it, it would be something that probably would put their team in the spotlight. cryo is not stupid. I do not think they would do this as scum. let's not even talk about the trail of voting analysis it would leave.

so that is why I am leaning town on him.

slaandar looks awful. not the clear headed logical minded slaandar that I got to know in our previous game together.

I really think he is the best lynch for today. pidgeywidgey needs to be looked at tomorrow. along with the kernel. and goat boy. I agree with most of your town reads.

Side note: this post reads really really weird. Mollie is talking to Bork in a really familiar way despite mostly ignoring him (except like one or 2 instances where she off handedly agreed with something he said) If this game is multi-ball, then Mollie/Bork are probably scum together. (Otherwise, maybe not, but it still reads really weird for someone who hasn't been interacting with Bork at all)

[AngryPidgeon]

Ok, I still do not get why you are talking to Bork out of the blue despite not really mentioning him before. On top of that, you flat out encourage him to stop interacting with me "why are you talking to scummy looking pidgeywidgey." but call me scummy at the same time.

Why?

[AngryPidgeon]

And Bork doesn't seem to find any of that strange until I point it out, wut?

[AngryPidgeon]

WTF. Ya Mollie just multiball scumslipped hard, is scum with Bork, and is panicking like mad because that post was a slip. Calling it. Buy your tickets now.

Nothing else explains why she 180s on my alignment hardcore,

implies

it was over my interactions with Bork and later says that that was obvious (it wasn't), and

then encourages Bork to stop talking to me despite me being scummy

.

[AngryPidgeon]

Mmm, ok, I can actually potentially explain that from town-Mollie mindset. You mention 161, how do you think you are

playing

compared to what you were in 161, Mollie?

P-edit: Seriously actually not reading that and Ill be back in like 4 hours.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ok, well the direction I was going in my last post is probably irrelevant given the latest posts.

Mollie, here is what I don't get. You don't even consider that I am possibly seeing something weird in your post? At all? You went from calling me a townread to talking about me with Bork (whom you really haven't talked to THAT much) and you SUGGEST that he should stop talking to me. Why do you care that Bork is talking to me? You claim that his interactions with me is what caused you to go fro mtown-PA to scum-AP between your 2 posts, but you are asking Bork why he is talking to me as if to suggest he shouldn't be. Why??

P-edit: Ok, answer the above then. I really do not understand why your read changed and you are pretending like there was nothing weird about it.

The facts: You DID go from calling me town to saying Im scummy.
You DID NOT explicit say why other than that I've been out of sync with you all game (and if that read on me really is from a holistic vantage, why was I a townread 1 post before?)
You DID passively encourage Bork to stop talking to me for reasons you haven't explained despite me mentioning its weird of you to do that.

The fact that you don't see why I am suspicious as about you fuck because of those ^ is weird as hell. Weird. as. hell. Even if you 'knoiw' I'm wrong, how do you not see any of that as probably weird to me?

[AngryPidgeon]

(AND super good looking)

Damn straight I am.

@Cryo though: Tunneling is, ironically, something Slandaar does as town and I'm pretty sure he is actually mostly immitating that in his scum games. For instance, this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=22466
He was so convinced that pidgey, a cop cleared VT claim, was actually a godfather that we ended up lynching pidgey in phase before lylo. (Not blaming Slandaar or anything, but seriously I'm just trying to show you what hes capable of when he is convinced hes right). Tunneling as scum is something he does to mimic his town play.

I currently have 5 scum voting me

I really don't want to lynch this. Slandaar could be playing me, but this is really the exact same attitude I've had more often than not as town. Biased and frustrated, but aggressive and loud.

I LOVE YOU CRYO!!!!!

ITT:
Mollie: Slandaar looks town. He was a stubborn ass and tunneled me to death as town in my first game.
Cryo: Slandaar is scum! Hes playing to his tunneling scum meta of one game!
Mollie: Yes, yes, yes!

still loling that you think scum are so terrified of you that they all would risk voting as a bloc

This is a fallacy. Who said they are 'afraid' of him? They could vote for other reasons (easy lynch, wifom of congregating, etc). Slandaar never said anyone was afraid of him.

natural progression into the insanity

haha. Trust me, I know Im a few cards short of a full deck.

[AngryPidgeon]

also pidgeywidgey, #1099 is a bit of a misrep I sheeped majiffy not cryo

Still, Cryo made a really fluffy post that boiled down to:
Slandaar is scum because he is tunneling like he did in one other game.

And you loudly agreed with the post. But you think Slandaar tunneling is a meta towntell from earlier. I just don't get why you are so excited about that post then since you clearly disagree with it or at least know its not totally accurate since YOU have meta of slandaar doing that as town.

I don't see why scum would fakeclaim cop enabler or something like that this early as they basically just outed themselves when there is no cop.

Wait, Im missing context here. What is this about?

Mollie, why did you encourage Bork to stop talking to me despite it helping you read me?
Why is it weird that I am suspicious of you for that, calling me scummy (for no explicitly stated reason) despite saying Im town one post before? Do you really not get my reaction?
Why would I actively try to OMGUS you?

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh I see. Ok, well this game is grinding on me. I need to take time to look it over objectively. Recently, 2 of my town/null reads are looking more scummy. And Mollie just flatout looks like scum. I do not get why she is brushing off my questions and that post to Bork is completely unexplainable. I thought it was possible they mason slipped, but thats clearly not the case.

[AngryPidgeon]

The post.

Spoiler:

We'd like to tell you all a quick story:

Once upon a time there was a scumlord playing his scumlordy games:

----Slandaar: 'ZOMG, CRYO IS SCUM', 'Did I mention cryo was scum?', 'guys, cryo is scum', 'more votes cryo', 'vote cryo to lynch scum'.....

The good people of Cryotown (who were all nudists...AND super good looking) had recognized this scumlord from before and called him on his scumlordy play:

----Cryo: 'Slandaar, your tunneling reminds us of a game where you did the same thing and flipped scum....looking like a scum tell for you at this point...'

The scumlord thought he was sly and changed it up immediately:

----Slandaar: 'uh.......crap.....uh.......' 'oooh, I know!...AP is scum', 'KoC is scum', 'PC is scum', 'MaJiffy is scum'....Hope everyone sees I'm not tunneling now....

The good people of Cryotown saw through it and convinced the surrounding towns to kill the scum. The end.

I LOVE YOU CRYO!!!!!

that isn't what I did. I asked borky why he was talking to scummy looking you

Mollie...don't give me this. You asked it in a way that implied he shouldn't be. Otherwise, why ask him so pointedly? What is POSSIBLY wrong with Bork talking to me? It reads like coaching. The whole post just feels misplaced.

[AngryPidgeon]

ok.. I just read a post by Cryo saying that Slandy is scum for X and you supporting it depite saying Slandy is town for X previously. So, you know.

Why did you ask Bork why he is talking to me then. Why did it matter? What did you expect him to say?

[AngryPidgeon]

Your AtE makes me want to not vote you, but that post is just so bizarre I can't comprehend it. Coming from with respect to what? You apparently thought I looked scummy in my interactions with him and the conclusion of your post was that I needed to be looked into tomorrow. And obviously he was talking to me because I called him scum and was pushing him. I don't see what you were possibly trying to get out of Bork. All you did was ask why he was talking to me (and that was because I was pushing him obv) and say that I may/may not be scum and that I should be looked into. There wasn't any Bork pressure, justa suggestion that I be looked into _later_ and a question that has an obvious answer to the point of being rhetorical and mostly just a suggestion that he shouldn't be talking to me.

Random Q, but whats your read on Goat?

P-edit: I can see myself lynching there today. They could be scum, their case on you is pretty weak, and they aren't really doing much other than pinging you and forgetting that Nero was Undesirable #1 now that hes lurking.

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh and the other main problem I have with Mollie is she is talking out of both sides of her mouth with this bit:
"AP, I never called you scum in that post, and that is obvious!"
"AP, you are OMGUSing me intentionally!"

[AngryPidgeon]

Ms Marangal soft claimed some sort of enabler apparently.
Mastin is a miller.

KoC looked town for his previous posting then he goes and talks about how a Slandaar/Cryo 1v1 is retarded when all he claims to want to do is lynch Slandaar >.>, so why care so much about limiting votes in a way that makes your #1 target very likely to get lynched. Ugh, I really can't keep a townread this game for more than 1 day.

I want to hear Malak's perspective on my recent spat with Mollie, but I really don't see that slot being town.
I was probably right about Viomi/ANG being scum.

1 week to DL, I don't have any rocksolid scumreads, would prefer to lynch Viomi/ANG over anyone probably actually, but everyone is intent on splitting votes on the flavor of the day wagons all game. If its down to slandaar/cryo I actually don't have a huge preference. Neither is super likely to be scum imo. Would still end up on cryo more lkely than not.

[AngryPidgeon]

started by slaandar

It wasn't and he isn't even voting you.

[AngryPidgeon]

Mastin, thank god you're back. Im going insane.
UNVOTE:

Everything that has happened around me is just swirling around. I feel like Im having a hard time actually sinking my teeth into anything this game. I still think PC is scum for that post to Bork. Messiah and Viomi (ANG) are my best bets for scum, but none of my reads are super strong. If you want to lynch cryo, I will help you.

[AngryPidgeon]

VOTE: Messiah
Totally not a blatant sheep vote.

You don't like Cryo for scum anymore?

[AngryPidgeon]

^ Ok, how about this. Slandaar would you flavor claim?

And by 'would' I mean do it.

[AngryPidgeon]

Lol, sometimes you have to compromise Majiffy. You know like when its < week to DL and people are lurking like mad.

[AngryPidgeon]

You should read Harry Potter. ScumAP was bragging post game about how he voted everytownie. (weather he actually did or not is a moot point) but yeah AP is pretty switchy with his vote.

That game was my scum masterpiece. That was over the course of like 6/7 Days during which a lot of my 'scum reads' kept getting lynched / killed.

Qwints is right about my meta on that one.

[AngryPidgeon]

I just made a huge ass case on someone who either scum slipped very hard or accidentally/very much soft claimed a pr. Woe is me. Enjoy the wifom with whom I'm referring to.

But you decided not to post it?

[AngryPidgeon]

Ya, Im not lynching Cryo today.

AP, I'm not voting CN right now because of your reaction to their flavor claim. Do you still feel that way?

I actually kind of forgot that they claimed flavor although that was one of the reasons I started townreading them a bit. Or did they just name claim? Either way, I should reread that bit.

Honestly, none of my reads (at least not my scum reads) have been that firm this game. I'm leaning town on them still and the spontaneous flavor claim supports that.

If Marangal is town, Mac is very very town. Could be scum together, but don't want to think about that right now. Could someone point me to the post Marangal soft claimed in? Would appreciate.

[AngryPidgeon]

Majiffy:Vifam::Slandaar:TheUnderachivers

Pretty much sums up how I feel about the Slandaar wagon.

@Jal: Ok, you are becoming one of my fairly decent townreads this game and I wanna work with you a bit. I don't quite see where your attention is going and that is annoying. (Not that its your fault, yo were V/LA and then typed up a moot post evidently). I'm going to reread this game over N1 and I want a short list of people you would have me look at more closely.

Also, what is your read on me? Don't need justification, just how you feel about good old AP. And no, Im not scum with qwints (or at all). I'm leaning town on qwints right now.

[AngryPidgeon]

If Marangal is town, Mac is very very town. Could be scum together, but don't want to think about that right now. Could someone point me to the post Marangal soft claimed in? Would appreciate.

i do not understand this post by the way. what makes ms. M being town me very very town?

I find it unlikely that scum-Mac pushes town-Marangal when most people are town-reading Marangal or otherwise giving her a pass for a softclaim. Its just an unpopular opinion and the support isn't there. Not a super-solid townread here (wifom and all that), but I find it unlikely that Mac would do that.

@Jal: I know my face is pretty. I just replaced into another game. Also Im actually doing work in the meantime (I've had this post in my preview window for like a solid 10 minutes or more).

[AngryPidgeon]

We are lynching the false-prophet calling themselves Messiah today.

Make it so.

Lol @ Majiffy - there _was_ PC pressure. And you were like 'hurr, durr, look at dat Slandaar CW'. But ya. Im kind of liking Buldermar.

[AngryPidgeon]

But seriously, guys. If you lynch Slandaar, I will cry more than I already have.

lol.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm a little behind in this game and its quickly becoming one of

those

games where compromises are just not going through.

@Cryo and PV: Stop voting for Nero. As much as Id be happy to PL him, its not happening today and you need to move your vote to a wagon that can go through.

[AngryPidgeon]

^ If it comes down to DL, I will vote him to avoid a NL. What I said in 1391 applies to EVERYONE voting somewhere that is unlikely to go through today (something other than Slandaar or Messiah).

Seriously, everyone needs to commit to one of those 2 wagons in their next post. Go.

[AngryPidgeon]

AP, I thought you had a town read on Slandaar? Am I wrong?

I do. But I feel that I've gotten to bogged down in this game and Im not thinking clearly. With 4 days to deadline, there is no time for messing around.
Slandaar seems town, but I also get the idea that people could be bussing him for lolz.
Messiah looks like scum.

Either way, if you catch me in a game allowing a NL or unclaimed hammer to happen, I'm most likely mafia. You should know that

On that token:

Slandaar and Messiah

should claim in their next posts.

[AngryPidgeon]

and you just moved up in my town pile. scum would much prefer to have slaandar in the game than out of it if this what he keeps presenting.

What if Slandaar is maf though?

[AngryPidgeon]

Vote for you two

Spoiler:

[AngryPidgeon]

Fitzscum cares about how he appears much more.

And its posts like this that make me happy to be in the not-lynching-slandaar camp

[AngryPidgeon]

If there is a vig, you need to vig an inactive. This is getting absurd.

[AngryPidgeon]

Also, Buld, if you think we are scum, why isn't your vote on us?

No stop it. Buld, vote Slandaar or Messiah. We are at deadline.

[AngryPidgeon]

I don't care, stop encouraging people to do things that will end in a NL.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ya! Also, Buldy, we are really rally close to a no lynch and that is the most anti-town outcome of today. How about voting someone who is getting lynched? Cool.

[AngryPidgeon]

^this thread right now.

I'm not caught up, I will switch my vote if needed.

[AngryPidgeon]

AP, fill me in quick whats going on

Oh god, I'll try and get you a summary but it has to be after work.

tl;dr: 24 hours to night 1. Dueling wagons on Messiah/Slandaar that are at L - 5.

PirateCat (Pirate Mollie / Malakittens) has been under pressure recently and throwing a lot of AtE out.
Majiffy has been shoving the Slandaar wagon.
Me/Mastin have been shoving the messiah wagon.
A lot of people don't feel super strongly about either choice.

Jal is town in this game as is mastin2. Take those to the bank.

[AngryPidgeon]

I agree. Also his post just looks pretty. Dat orderlinass.

[AngryPidgeon]

Bork, I love it when you talk dirty to me like this ^.

UNDER 24 HOURS PEOPLE. HIPPITY HOP. Whoever QQ'd about this being my only content (Jal?): tough. Im checking out of this game mentally until I can reread it over Night.

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh messiah claimed a probable scum role ESPECIALLY given that the other team had a counter to it?

And he could have entered a 1v1 with Mac but opted for the pro-scum play of not doing it?

Better lynch someone else.