Gears of War Mafia - ( Game Over! )

[buldermar]

Hi everyone!

[buldermar]

Have anyone claimed any roles as of yet?

[buldermar]

I'm going to read through the thread and I think it would be useful to know beforehand.

[buldermar]

buldey <3

we have a bw on us (are you surprised?) started by slaandar (again, are you surprised?) for really stupid reasons (let's go for the gold! are you surprised?) and then some people (probably scum) jumped on it. <------ I bet this shocks you, lol.

I think slaandar is scummy not because he is trolleytracking but his reasoning behind it. at least in titanium he made sense sort of. oh in his world of pet theories somehow cryo and I are scum buddies.

I now think cryo is town btw. liking mac for town cos seems to be really trying to work things out and leaning town on majiffy.

meanwhile, pidgeywidgey is running around like an epileptic chicken jumping on anyone who has the slightest suspicion of him and I can't follow his thought processes at all which is waaaaaaaay different than the posh game where we were on the same page practically the whole game.

I have no idea what the hell is going on with borky. mala should be on later tonight.

oh and slaandar and cryo are going 1v1 and I think I want to be cryo's publicity manager if he will let me cos I think it will probably be the only fun I will have all game. you know how I feel about stupidity. don't mind getting lynched for good reasons but I do mind getting lynched for bad ones and the ones right now are pretty terrible.

also I am so glad you are here.

I'll try to figure out things xD

[buldermar]

I have a scum read on Piratecat - mostly due to meta with the mollie part of the hydra.

[buldermar]

There is a distinct lack of her doing what she usually does as town.

I need to see more MollieUnderPressure though.

Well if you ISO her and count the scum reads versus the town reads it's quite obvious that she's delaying doing any town reads. Usually she bursts out with a bunch of town reads right away based on very few posts. And it's not a matter of her wanting to talk to mala first, because she is happily sharing scum reads and fos'ing.

[buldermar]

Going to catch up now.

[buldermar]

Not what I'm looking for, Buld, but it's closely related.

What are you looking for?

[buldermar]

There is a distinct lack of her doing what she usually does as town.

I need to see more MollieUnderPressure though.

Well if you ISO her and count the scum reads versus the town reads it's quite obvious that she's delaying doing any town reads. Usually she bursts out with a bunch of town reads right away based on very few posts. And it's not a matter of her wanting to talk to mala first, because she is happily sharing scum reads and fos'ing.

erm...we have thrown a shit ton of town reads lol

but nice try!

Not in the early stages. If you consider this a nice try (i.e. indicative of me being scum), why are you not voting me?

[buldermar]

AP, I thought you had a town read on Slandaar? Am I wrong?

I do. But I feel that I've gotten to bogged down in this game and Im not thinking clearly. With 4 days to deadline, there is no time for messing around.
Slandaar seems town, but I also get the idea that people could be bussing him for lolz.
Messiah looks like scum.

Either way, if you catch me in a game allowing a NL or unclaimed hammer to happen, I'm most likely mafia. You should know that

On that token:

Slandaar and Messiah

should claim in their next posts.

WTF? You're asking both of them to claim as opposed to just one? Why?

[buldermar]

If there is a vig, you need to vig an inactive. This is getting absurd.

Another anti-town post from you.

[buldermar]

Also, Buld, if you think we are scum, why isn't your vote on us?

Because I doubt you're getting lynched anyway, but since you're asking:

VOTE: Piratecat

[buldermar]

Also, Buld, if you think we are scum, why isn't your vote on us?

No stop it. Buld, vote Slandaar or Messiah. We are at deadline.

I don't think either of them is scum.

[buldermar]

He's not voting anyone. He's only commented regarding us and didn't even follow up with it. So, yeah, I'm calling him out.

Voting or not voting you at this point is pretty negligible because the lynch is so unlikely to go through - you're just looking for excuses to OMGUS me.

[buldermar]

I'm not encouraging him to NL. I'm trying to encourage him to actually post thoughts or content or even a vote to make sure he's actually playing and paying attention.

You're trying to encourage me to actually post by asking me to vote you?

[buldermar]

Jesus Christ Slandaar, you're just completely misrepping Molliecat, Mollie specifically. that wall post explaining why Mollie is scum is nothing but fabrication on your part, and taking things way out of context. you seriously need to rethink your case.

Why would town Slaandar feel the need to fabricate you think?

both town-Slaandar and scum-Slaandar would prefer not getting lynched.

[buldermar]

Leaning Scummy

kernel guiile
havingfitz
slaandar
buldey

So I call you out on something and suddently you're "leaning scummy" on me? Or do you have some sort of magical read that you'd like to elaborate on? You're OMGUS'ing me so hard and you wont even admit it.

[buldermar]

lol wut

What has buldermar done that's so scummy?

Oh hey someone else noticed - great. Town cred to Majiffy I suppose.

[buldermar]

lol wut

What has buldermar done that's so scummy?

using meta that he doesn't have

has only gone against me (mollie) as scum once. you were on my team. I was lynched before he even checked in I think.

also that reaction is hhhhmmmm.....

I'm not using meta, I'm stating that you've made a shitton of scum reads in the beginning of this game and not a single town read, and that's more often than not indicative of scum waiting it out and not getting locked into certain reads early on.

[buldermar]

That's all I think. I'll switch my vote over if necessary, but I'd much prefer a Piratecat lynch.

[buldermar]

DUDE. ONE POST. SERIOUSLY.

No thank you.

[buldermar]

If you believe he is mindfully fabricating as town, then I suggest turning around and rethinking dat thar read.

This is not what I'm suggesting.

[buldermar]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Slandaar

god...

and Buldimar's last couple posts placed a huge dot on my scumdar.

Is that something you're going to elaborate on?

[buldermar]

Leaning Scummy

kernel guiile
havingfitz
slaandar
buldey

So I call you out on something and suddently you're "leaning scummy" on me? Or do you have some sort of magical read that you'd like to elaborate on? You're OMGUS'ing me so hard and you wont even admit it.

lol, since you seem to be such an

expert

on my scum game despite never having really seen it, I do not usually OMGUS as scum. I do it on occasion.

and the magical read on you is something that I will never tell. but thanks for confirming our scum read on you!

How exactly am I "confirming your scum read on me" ?

[buldermar]

lol wut

What has buldermar done that's so scummy?

Oh hey someone else noticed - great. Town cred to Majiffy I suppose.

nah. he lost points with that post. he should be calling you out cos you are essentially doing the same thing that he did to me in the recent tr game.

What? How is this even remotedly similar to what happened in that game?

[buldermar]

Since Piratecat is on the Slandaar wagon, I'm going with Mesiah.

VOTE: Mesiah

[buldermar]

that vote right there makes either slaandar is scum or slaandar and messiah are town

In my opinion they're both town.

[buldermar]

lol wut

What has buldermar done that's so scummy?

Oh hey someone else noticed - great. Town cred to Majiffy I suppose.

nah. he lost points with that post. he should be calling you out cos you are essentially doing the same thing that he did to me in the recent tr game.

What? How is this even remotedly similar to what happened in that game?

I believe majiffy tried to claim a meta read on me or something before trying to fake cc me (like you have done in this game)

regardless, you are like confirmed scum. you don't have my scum meta

I havn't CC'ed you in this game, nor have I claimed to have your "scum meta". I've claimed some general tendencies of what scum tends to do, and some tendencies of what you usually do as town. Is this going to be one of these games where I spend the wast majority of my time repeating myself in hopes of you just once carefully reading what I'm saying? I think you're scum because you or your other head initially posted a lot of scum reads with no town reads. Usually as town you tend to post a lot of town reads early on as well - you havn't done that in this game. This isn't "scum meta" and, as such, I do not need to have a lot of history with you being scum to make this read.

Just tell me one thing: have you made up your mind that I'm scum? Because in that case I will not waste time attempting to prove that you're wrong, I'll dedicate my time elsewhere.

[buldermar]

and no I do not mean you have cc me this game but you

have

claimed a meta read on me

Yes, a meta read based on your town games - specifically what you usually do as town and how that is different from what you are doing in this game. Point to the post in which I claim to know exactly what you do as scum, please?

[buldermar]

They were not there initially, which is what I am talking about. Go ISO your slot and check for yourself.

[buldermar]

@Piratecat

: Do you believe in the hydra dissonance tell?

this half of the head doesn't cos I have a hydra with majiffy and we disagree on almost everything. mala may something else...

this is our first game as a hydra. we are still working out our groove.

@ buldey you have to say why you think we are scummy. you said it was a meta read.

I have a scum read on Piratecat - mostly due to meta with the mollie part of the hydra.

but you are not

a) taking in consideration that this is a hydra
b) saying what it is we are doing that you find is scummy. most of your posts to this hydra has been to mala, and I was going to let her answer.

I see that majiffy either ignored our post about how I was not saying that buldey was cc I was saying that majiffy tried to pull the meta thing too.

http://talkrational.org/showthread.php? ... ost2071546

and when majiffy cc me I don't think he even had a vote on him at the time so he was not going down.

going to talk to mala before I blurt out any reads but ooooooh my.

I don't give a damn if you're one or two or a trillion people, you have only one slot and thus only one alignment. I did point out why I have a scum read on your slot several times already, but it's not like it's a final read or anything and you're not even in danger of being lynched now anyway so why is it such a big deal?

[buldermar]

Yeah I am lurking deal with it; cant really be bothered posting content when noone listens.

Might claim later.

I'm listening; I don't think you're scum.

[buldermar]

Back to VOTE: PirateCat.

Why are you doing this now? I want PirateCat lynched as well but that wont happen today.

[buldermar]

so fitz is probably town

??? Why?

[buldermar]

Also, no quick hammering without claims. Still lots of time for people like Messiah to come into the thread.

wtf is this? You're going to risk a no-lynch when we don't even have time to switch to a different wagon anyway?

[buldermar]

No, no, no, no, no

we are not lynching messiah you fuckers. How in the world is Messiah even remotely scummy? someone answer that please. I'm not seeing it, and all these votes on him are absolute shit. Messiah is a strong player, and HAS been V/LA yet, he has done way more then many others here. all the posts that he has done has had way more content, and has had way more sense then Slandaar.

I don't think he's scummy, but I think mollie is scummy and mollie is voting Sla, and I'd rather Messiah lynch than no-lynch.

[buldermar]

Does anyone even know why they want to lynch me?

Yes, I want to lynch you because I don't want a no-lynch.

[buldermar]

Buldermar is voting for me because PirateCat is on the Slandaar wagon(??).

You got it.

[buldermar]

7 hrs left, right?

[buldermar]

FUCKING STOP POSTING LIKE THAT.

I'll post 50 posts in a row if I feel like it.

[buldermar]

also, Buldimar, why is Mollie scummy?

I explained this already.

[buldermar]

you have a meta-read on mollie, yet later you stated you don't so..

what exactly is your reason on scum molliecat?

Quote the post in which I claim not to have a meta-read on mollie, please.

[buldermar]

I really don't like either wagon and the whole thing coming to "pick between two" early was stupid.

This I agree with.

[buldermar]

lol wut

What has buldermar done that's so scummy?

using meta that he doesn't have

has only gone against me (mollie) as scum once. you were on my team. I was lynched before he even checked in I think.

also that reaction is hhhhmmmm.....

I'm not using meta

, I'm stating that you've made a shitton of scum reads in the beginning of this game and not a single town read, and that's more often than not indicative of scum waiting it out and not getting locked into certain reads early on.

My read that is based on a shitton of scum reads made by piratecat in the beginning of the game is not meta-related. I don't see how this is supposed to be me claiming not to have a meta-read on mollie?

[buldermar]

Mollie stated that you were using Meta that you didn't have against her, and you stated that you weren't judging her based off Meta.

I think the mollie slot is scummy because a) it made a lot of scum but no town reads early on and b) because how mollie looks in this game isn't how town-mollie usually looks. I don't think I can make it any more clear than this and I'm starting to wonder if you're intentionally being obtuse because you're scum.

[buldermar]

and Buldemar, Mollie didn't start off the game so all those scum reads you saw came from Mala, not Mollie. Mollie even stated in thread that she wanted to clear her town reads with Mala before she stated any of them.

I don't give a damn if they come from Mala, Mollie or Santa. All of the scum reads and no town reads is not meta-dependant and Mollie and Mala share the same role.

You're up there as a scum candidate with mollie for trying to push something that isn't there this hard.

[buldermar]

lol wut

What has buldermar done that's so scummy?

using meta that he doesn't have

has only gone against me (mollie) as scum once. you were on my team. I was lynched before he even checked in I think.

also that reaction is hhhhmmmm.....

I'm not using meta

, I'm stating that you've made a shitton of scum reads in the beginning of this game and not a single town read, and that's more often than not indicative of scum waiting it out and not getting locked into certain reads early on.

My read that is based on a shitton of scum reads made by piratecat in the beginning of the game is not meta-related. I don't see how this is supposed to be me claiming not to have a meta-read on mollie?

you said that we were scummy based on your meta read on me. you haven't really played against me as scum. it was the same thing that thing majiffy just tried to pull on tr, I quoted the post. the posts that you have addressed that you seem to have a problem with were mala's (none of them were from the beginning of the game in fact I doubt you have read it. you should probably go do that.)

this is the scummiest backpedal I have ever seen.

fucking lynch this shit

and if majiffy doesn't go after buldey for this then lynch him too!

I don't need to be fucking playing against you as scum to see that what you're doing in this game isn't what you're usually doing.

And I don't give a damn if a post comes from you or Mala when it isn't meta-related, because you share the same role. This is why, for all of the posts early in the game, it doesn't matter to me who wrote them.

You're making stupid assumptions and I asked you earlier on if this was a case of you having decided on something and just misinterpreting everything accordingly. It looks like it is, so stop wasting my time. You must be scum - there is just no way you're pulling this crap as town.

[buldermar]

I only regret bitching out Buldy. I like buldy and he doesn't talk back. Sorry Buldermar.

♥

[buldermar]

Well this is why we should have lynched Pirate

Lt. Minh Young Kim; 1 shot masonizer. I am conftown tomorrow.

Well I've said from the start that we should lynch pirate and that both of you were probably town.

[buldermar]

I am done with the bitchiness. Let's just stop.

No please don't, it turns me on.

[buldermar]

no. this is why you should have done some legitimate scum hunting instead of the lazy pig-headed half-assed crap that you have pulled.

if I lose another game cos of your retarded trolleytracking I am going to never want to play with you again for a very long long time unless until you grow up.

jal and buldey for sure, maybe majiffy and probably the kernel as well cos they have both been off of v/la and have NOT DONE SHIT

Hey are you going to pull this crap on me as well when/if I out/get mislynched and you realize that you were silly to think I'm scum?

[buldermar]

Buldermar is 50/50.

The only way I am switching is if Slandaar answers questions and agrees to mason someone gud.

I have the ability to remove two of the three incorrect answers.

[buldermar]

no. this is why you should have done some legitimate scum hunting instead of the lazy pig-headed half-assed crap that you have pulled.

if I lose another game cos of your retarded trolleytracking I am going to never want to play with you again for a very long long time unless until you grow up.

jal and buldey for sure, maybe majiffy and probably the kernel as well cos they have both been off of v/la and have NOT DONE SHIT

Hey are you going to pull this crap on me as well when/if I out/get mislynched and you realize that you were silly to think I'm scum?

oh god you are such scum

Mollie, you've never seen a scum tell from me (at least not what I know of). I've only ever lost a single game as scum, and you weren't a participant in that game. Every other game in which I've been scum, I've won. On the contrary, you have mislynched me as town before, thinking you have picked up on some scumslip. I don't make scumslip as scum, but I may make something that could look as scumslips as town because I don't particularly care about looking town as town (but perhaps I should). In summary, you're probably better off lynching me when you can't find a single reason to do so than when you think you have actually found one.

[buldermar]

I don't think anyone would ever make post 1716 if they actually thought the person they were talking to was scum.

Can we lynch buldermar instead?

I think Piratecat is the most likely person to be scum, but despite that she's obviously still more likely to be town than scum. That's all besides, though, because even if I had a guilty on her I'd make that kind of post, so your read is terrible.

[buldermar]

Every other game in which I've been scum, I've won.

This is hella fallacial son. Just 'cause you won games don't mean you ain't shown tells, just means they ain't been caught.

That's all the same in terms of the probability of getting correctly lynched versus the probability of getting mislynched.

[buldermar]

Jal, what do I have to do to convince you to vote Piratecat with me?

[buldermar]

Oh jesus christ that is some horrible back tracking there, Piratecat. You don't even know what argument you are making and I won't be responding to that mess anymore.

Buldy, it depends. If we assume Slandaar town we should let him try to mason. What are your thoughts on Messiah's claim?

I'm slightly more convinced that he's scum after his claim, but it's not a big deal. I'd still rather lynch Piratekitten.

Even if het does mason it doesn't confirm shit, btw.

[buldermar]

no. this is why you should have done some legitimate scum hunting instead of the lazy pig-headed half-assed crap that you have pulled.

if I lose another game cos of your retarded trolleytracking I am going to never want to play with you again for a very long long time unless until you grow up.

jal and buldey for sure, maybe majiffy and probably the kernel as well cos they have both been off of v/la and have NOT DONE SHIT

Hey are you going to pull this crap on me as well when/if I out/get mislynched and you realize that you were silly to think I'm scum?

oh god you are such scum

Mollie, you've never seen a scum tell from me (at least not what I know of)

.

I made a whole bunch of notes on my spreadsheet from the game that I gmed where you were...scum.

I've only ever lost a single game as scum, and you weren't a participant in that game. Every other game in which I've been scum, I've won. On the contrary, you have mislynched me as town before, thinking you have picked up on some scumslip. I don't make scumslip as scum, but I may make something that could look as scumslips as town because I don't particularly care about looking town as town (but perhaps I should). In summary, you're probably better off lynching me when you can't find a single reason to do so than when you think you have actually found one.

I have never mislynched you as town. you were town flailing in the KISS game so I was going for metal. it was jake that wouldn't budge.

and my reasons for wanting you lynched are very good. we are town and you are not.

You never lynched me when I was scum.

[buldermar]

Jal, what do I have to do to convince you to vote Piratecat with me?

so we have a way to

[/i]clear

[/i] us but you are still wanting to lynch us anyways?

why not just announce that you are scum and be done with it already

Stop thinking I make silly scumslips like this, it's beyond retarded.

[buldermar]

HEY EVERYONE LET"S LYNCH BULDEY!!!!

give me a B:

B

give me a U:

U

give me an L:

L

give me a D:

D

give me an E:

E

give me a Y:

Y

vooooooote buldey!

This made me smile xD

[buldermar]

To use AP town logic:

~Buldermar is probably going against popular opinion and making himself appear awful while doing so, Scum probably wouldn't do that and willfully gain negative attention on himself. There, he is probably town.~

I am moving my vote to Messiah. Everyone who wants to NL can just go ahead and do that.

VOTE: Messiah

I think it is sweet the way that you are trying to save buldey whom you supposedly only have a 50/50 read on

You're just jealous because you're in love with me.

[buldermar]

Jal, what do I have to do to convince you to vote Piratecat with me?

You aren't voting PC so wtf are you talking about.

It's not too late to get a PC lynch. Anyone not inclined to vote one of the claimed players should move to PC now.

I wasn't supporting a Slandaar wagon to begin with and I believe Messiah's claim so he's out. I have no idea what the push on Buldermar is based on.

PC and Viomi are only two I'd support. I'm around all morning. I think we have less than 2 or 3 hours left.

I was voting PC until I realized that we wouldn't be reaching majority today. If I could convince everyone to vote PC, I would.

I can tell you exactly what the push on me is based on: stupidity.

[buldermar]

Jal, what do I have to do to convince you to vote Piratecat with me?

You aren't voting PC so wtf are you talking about.

It's not too late to get a PC lynch. Anyone not inclined to vote one of the claimed players should move to PC now.

I wasn't supporting a Slandaar wagon to begin with and I believe Messiah's claim so he's out. I have no idea what the push on Buldermar is based on.

PC and Viomi are only two I'd support. I'm around all morning. I think we have less than 2 or 3 hours left.

^^^ third scum spotted

town has an effective way of dealing with me that does not include a lynch

it will clear me

but good try

Stop acting like you're this stupid. You having a conversation over night with a self-proclaimed Mason doesn't make you town - it just means that if he confirms you, you're confirmed once we know for sure that he's town.

[buldermar]

Oh and also, why the fuck would you want the cop to investigate someone you think is town?

Vote PirateCat people.

Sure

VOTE: PirateCat

[buldermar]

Jal, what do I have to do to convince you to vote Piratecat with me?

You aren't voting PC so wtf are you talking about.

It's not too late to get a PC lynch. Anyone not inclined to vote one of the claimed players should move to PC now.

I wasn't supporting a Slandaar wagon to begin with and I believe Messiah's claim so he's out. I have no idea what the push on Buldermar is based on.

PC and Viomi are only two I'd support. I'm around all morning. I think we have less than 2 or 3 hours left.

^^^ third scum spotted

town has an effective way of dealing with me that does not include a lynch

it will clear me

but good try

Stop acting like you're this stupid. You having a conversation over night with a self-proclaimed Mason doesn't make you town - it just means that if he confirms you, you're confirmed once we know for sure that he's town.

a mason can only mason town you dummy

This is incorrect.

[buldermar]

To use AP town logic:

~Buldermar is probably going against popular opinion and making himself appear awful while doing so, Scum probably wouldn't do that and willfully gain negative attention on himself. There, he is probably town.~

I am moving my vote to Messiah. Everyone who wants to NL can just go ahead and do that.

VOTE: Messiah

I think it is sweet the way that you are trying to save buldey whom you supposedly only have a 50/50 read on

You're just jealous because you're in love with me.

quick! majiffy isn't around

you know what to do

Your other head wont mind? xD

[buldermar]

Okay someone explain to me why Slandaar can't effectively clear himself and PC. I have never been in a scum mason game.

He can be a scum mason - he can't clear anyone unless he claims to have cleared someone and then flips town himself.

[buldermar]

VOTE PirateCat GOGOGOGOOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO

VOTE: PirateCat

[buldermar]

The only big problem I see is if he's scum with PC.

Most likely it's just PC being scum and him being town.

[buldermar]

The Goat is scum too btw. Just saying it now so that you guys know if I get nightkilled.

[buldermar]

I don't think you are town. Which part don't you get?

If you are lynched I will target someone else. Not that its actually going to happen.

Please just target me so I can clear myself. You trust that I'm town as far as I know and you know that I'm likely getting mislynched tomorrow. Furthermore, if you clear me we might actually get PC lynched.

[buldermar]

bork, who are you voting atm?

[buldermar]

VOTE: PirateCat

Scum found.

I expect everyone to vote them in their next post.

VOTE: PirateScum

[buldermar]

We are probably wrong on Buld.

OH REALLY


YOU DON'T SAY

[buldermar]

Ergo, these people need to be lynched and/or vigged immediately for willingly and knowingly playing anti-town.

This is a fucking retarded argument to lynch/kill someone.

[buldermar]

Slandaar....how do you know you weren't RB'd?

This looks really scummy as I think most town players would just bring it up, e.g., "we can't know if he was role blocked".

[buldermar]

Viomi, havingfitz, Colonel Guile, Slandaar, PirateCat, Messiah, Qwints, The Goat, Mac
These people were off the major two wagons as of VC 1.19, with an hour and a half remaining.

Of this group (and including Buldermar, since he left one of the two major wagons to join this group), the following willingly and knowingly

continued to post and not join a wagon despite all obvious signs that we were heading for a no-lynch.

PirateCat, Goat, Slandaar, havingfitz, Buldermar

Ergo, these people need to be lynched and/or vigged immediately for willingly and knowingly playing anti-town.

VOTE: Slandaar
Also I consider the fact that of the two competing wagons, neither went through, means one or both were scum wagons. So I suggest we start with Slandaar.

I am generally against lynching for the sake of lynching, specifically when claims are in play. In retrospect, I definitely should have done what I'm going to do now.

vote Slandaar

The Goat is also still scum. It will be obvious especially if mollie flips scum or Slandaar flips town.

[buldermar]

The Goat is scum too btw. Just saying it now so that you guys know if I get nightkilled.

From yesterday. Can you give me any thought behind this that doesn't start with OMG and end with US?

I'm too lazy to read back and figure out what I based it on atm, I just made a pretty clear mental note of it. I may find it tomorrow.

[buldermar]

Buldermar, why did you think there was a possibility you'd be night killed over all the outed claims?

Because I'm fucking awesome at this game that's why.

[buldermar]

That is a shitty reason and I doubt having people run you up had you actually thinking that.

I thought we were talking about potentially being night killed?

[buldermar]

The Goat is scum too btw. Just saying it now so that you guys know if I get nightkilled.

From yesterday. Can you give me any thought behind this that doesn't start with OMG and end with US?

I'm too lazy to read back and figure out what I based it on atm, I just made a pretty clear mental note of it. I may find it tomorrow.

It is difficult for me to convey how much I'm looking forward to this. Please find it.

(I'm going to delve into Wiki a bit during night phase, so I feel less stupid.)

There you have it. "Hi, look at me I'm not scum and I'm not a power role because I'm going to use specifically the night phase where I don't have anything to do (as opposed to the day phase where I make posts) to delve into Wiki". No, scum, try again.

You're scum.

[buldermar]

Buldermar, please stop posting so many times in a row, you're just clogging the thread needlessly.

I'll try to, but I've not before encountered anyone having such a problem with it and it's a fairly established habit of mine, so I may forget it. Feel free to ban me if it becomes too big of an issue - I'll be understanding.

[buldermar]

Messiah isn't scum

, I'm not seeing how.

he is also a far more helpful person

then many others in this game so...

I'd much prefer to get rid of [X]

before I get rid of him

Bold: This is scum.

Blue: this is scum: how does one define helpful? Ah right; he doesn't suspect Pirate.

it should be common sense though IMO...

I had posted my results so what was there to wait for?

I'm tired of this, Molliecat is town.

they have been so pro-town yesterday

I'm having trouble believe that anyone could think them as scum.

This is scum. I don't remember one thing they have done that is 'protown'.

Probably have to do with your stance against PC

Scum.

Marangal is scum; all her reads are based on the premise Pirate is town and then anyone who suspects them is scum. I thought yesterday she was doing it as town and just being a tool as they are friends but no, Marangal is actually just scum.

Proof:

I'd much prefer to get rid of Buldemar, qwints, and Slandaar

(we all voted Pirate yesterday) Fitz can also be included here.

AP died last night a big supporter of Pirate wagon this should have proven town do suspect Pirate to Marangal; Marangal is scum.

I like this.

That would update my scumlist to Ms Marangal, Goat and PirateCat.

[buldermar]

Sheep moar Buld?

Have you seen that Messiah's claim basically counter claims Slandaar's claim. Slandaar hasn't even nudged towards it other than calling anyone who calls us town scum?

You seem to be doing the same exact tunneling that Slandaae is, but off a meta tell on Mollie while totally disregarding my posts as a whole.

Oh, I missed it the first time around - sorry you two!

UNVOTE:

That kind of puts everything upside down for me, though.

[buldermar]

I'm obviously talking about not that thing but something else.

[buldermar]

I can pretty much confirm that PirateCat is town. Just keep that in mind if I'm killed/lynched - thanks.

[buldermar]

I can pretty much confirm that PirateCat is town. Just keep that in mind if I'm killed/lynched - thanks.

What?

Just before you kept calling us scum and now we are confirmed town?

What.the.hell?

@KoC: answer my post pls <3

Oh, ok. This post makes me think I misread your post. I thought it meant something that it didn't and since it doesn't I will have to retract the post of mollie being confirmed town. In addition, I'm going back to my old perspective to this game, so:

VOTE: PirateCat

[buldermar]

This.

You seem to maybe play GoW. Do you think there can be two scum teams? Or anyone else who knows/plays it?

Buld - why isn't your vote on Slandaar? If you say you can confirm us to be town?

Don't worry, it's back on you now that you deny having investigated me.

[buldermar]

I can pretty much confirm that PirateCat is town. Just keep that in mind if I'm killed/lynched - thanks.

What?

Just before you kept calling us scum and now we are confirmed town?

What.the.hell?

^ This...

Jiffy is probably scum due to a meta tell that Mollie showed me yesterday.

We are probably wrong on Buld.

Messiah? Anything on your action?

This came out of nowhere in the beginning of this day. I thought it meant they had investigated me since there was no explanation. Apparently it didn't mean that, which is why I am now back to voting PirateCat.

[buldermar]

This guy is scum just lynch him/Maran/Pirate tomorrow.

Thoughts on buld nigh-Confirming pc as Town? Do you think he's lying, gambitting, Scum as well?

I thought PC nightconfirmed me which in turn would make PC town. Turns out I misread the post as PC questions my sudden change in opinion in response to their change in opinion of me. In short: I was wrong and PC is still scum.

[buldermar]

First off, Buld isn't confirming anything. If Buld does not come up with an in-thread explanation of why PC is suddenly town in his next post then he is scum.

Do you actually believe all the crap you write or do you just write it for the shizzle?

[buldermar]

I'm delaying making more responses in fear of getting banned. Be back tomorrow I guess.

[buldermar]

VOTE: Buldermar

Hi scum.

[buldermar]

Why are you morons voting me? Majiffy and Goat doesn't need to explain themselves because I already know they're scum.

[buldermar]

Also don't waste your time voting me if it's to get a claim, because that's not going to happen.

[buldermar]

I'm so relieved. Can you explain your incredibly odd flip-flopping and subsequent cessation of posting yesterday? I'm willing to listen to outlandish explanations like multiple personalities, demonic possession, etc.

I already did and it's super simple. I thought PirateCat claimed to have an innocent investigation on me in her first post yesterday. If she had an innocent investigation on me, she must be town. Therefore I claimed to know that PirateCat is town. However, she then questioned this claim of mine. This suggests that what I intially thought was an innocent investigation on me being claimed in her first post really wasn't an innocent investigation on me. Therefore, I had to retract my statement that PirateCat is town and could once again vote her.

If you'd read my previous posts carefully instead of going into noob-mode and vote me, you'd see that I am indeed telling the truth. You can even read PirateCat's first post of yesterday to confirm what I'm saying. However, we both know that you aren't going to do so because you're scum and you're pretending to be retarded.

[buldermar]

VOTE: Buldermar

Hi scum.

Why are you morons voting me? Majiffy and Goat doesn't need to explain themselves because I already know they're scum.

Also don't waste your time voting me if it's to get a claim, because that's not going to happen.

Do you have ANY intention of posting anything that isn't OMGUS or flatout bullshit this game?
Just wondering.

Them being scum isn't flatout bullshit and it isn't OMGUS when I pointed out that he is scum BEFORE he voted me, dumbass.

[buldermar]

VOTE: GoatGuy

[buldermar]

I'm so relieved. Can you explain your incredibly odd flip-flopping and subsequent cessation of posting yesterday? I'm willing to listen to outlandish explanations like multiple personalities, demonic possession, etc.

I already did and it's super simple. I thought PirateCat claimed to have an innocent investigation on me in her first post yesterday. If she had an innocent investigation on me, she must be town. Therefore I claimed to know that PirateCat is town. However, she then questioned this claim of mine. This suggests that what I intially thought was an innocent investigation on me being claimed in her first post really wasn't an innocent investigation on me. Therefore, I had to retract my statement that PirateCat is town and could once again vote her.

If you'd read my previous posts carefully instead of going into noob-mode and vote me, you'd see that I am indeed telling the truth. You can even read PirateCat's first post of yesterday to confirm what I'm saying. However, we both know that you aren't going to do so because you're scum and you're pretending to be retarded.

1) I'm not pretending; I'm genuinely a moron. You can ask around.

2) I wasn't the only person confused by your behavior.

Well you're not the only one I'm calling retarded either.

[buldermar]

I can pretty much confirm that PirateCat is town. Just keep that in mind if I'm killed/lynched - thanks.

What?

Just before you kept calling us scum and now we are confirmed town?

What.the.hell?

^ This...

VOTE: buldermar

I explained this so read my explanation and tell me why you don't trust it or fuck off.

[buldermar]

buld point to the PC post on page 76 (the page d2 started) that you're talking about

I already did, but I'll do it again.

I can pretty much confirm that PirateCat is town. Just keep that in mind if I'm killed/lynched - thanks.

What?

Just before you kept calling us scum and now we are confirmed town?

What.the.hell?

^ This...

Jiffy is probably scum due to a meta tell that Mollie showed me yesterday.

We are probably wrong on Buld.

Messiah? Anything on your action?

This came out of nowhere in the beginning of this day. I thought it meant they had investigated me since there was no explanation. Apparently it didn't mean that, which is why I am now back to voting PirateCat.

[buldermar]

If she had an innocent investigation on me, she must be town.

Also this is

What?

[buldermar]

Yeah I'm just not buying this.

1) PC makes a vague statement that said she might have misread you. Your initial reaction was not at all to take this as a softclaim [~1930] (probably because it doesn't read like a softclaim)
2) #1980 is where you really turned around, and it should have been due to shit Messiah said, not anything PC may have hinted at.
3) #1981 just doesn't follow from #1980.
4) Seriously even in the hypothetical case where PC comes out and says "I am a cop and investigated buldermar last night and he came out town" does not make PC confirmed town. This is really obvious.

VOTE: buldermar

1) I initially didn't think about it, it was only when I reread at some point.
2) My post 1980 was due to "realizing" that she left a breadcrumb on me.
3) Yes it does - it is to make sure that she knows I'm talking about the breadcrumb.
4) Obviously if she claimed to be a cop and have an investigation on me, that would be totally different and would not mean that she's confirmed town. However, scum doesn't leave crumbs in hopes of town picking them up - at least not this subtle. Do you seriously think that scum-piratecat would fabricate this crumb only to hope I picked it up? Because I don't. If she had claimed to be an investigative role with an innocent on me I would have looked at it differently.

[buldermar]

I saw someone visit Buldermar. I don't know that it would be beneficial to reveal who it was though? We have quite a few dead/outed power-roles already, but I'm open to other opinions on the matter.

I think everyone here can figure out that it probably was PirateCat.

[buldermar]

PC what's your read on buldermar? I didn't expect you not to be voting him and I REALLY didn't expect you to join a counterwagon against his.

Obviously, because you don't trust the things I have been saying. If you did you'd understand.

VOTE: mac

Because I'm sheeping Messiah.

[buldermar]

I can pretty much confirm that PirateCat is town. Just keep that in mind if I'm killed/lynched - thanks.

What?

Just before you kept calling us scum and now we are confirmed town?

What.the.hell?

^ This...

VOTE: buldermar

I explained this so read my explanation and tell me why you don't trust it or fuck off.

If by explain you mean Post 2031 then my vote stands. Poor explanation/excuse.

Read my other posts you stupid fuck.

[buldermar]

PC what's your read on buldermar? I didn't expect you not to be voting him and I REALLY didn't expect you to join a counterwagon against his.

Obviously, because you don't trust the things I have been saying. If you did you'd understand.

VOTE: mac

Because I'm sheeping Messiah.

This question has nothing to do with you and everything to do with PC, so I'd like PC to answer.

Sure. Why are you voting me still?

[buldermar]

Yes, Buld, please explain to me how a VT can magically ninja to visit you?

If you're a VT then it was someone else.

[buldermar]

I'm also starting to think Buld is just ignoring our posts because how could he have missed Mollie's posts where she said 'Hey are at VT'.

Nah I'm not ignoring.

[buldermar]

Because in order to buy your stuff I have to assume that you noticed this "crumb" at the exact time that Messiah noted that nobody visited PC that night (which swung the pendulum the other way for D2 lynch)

That's a hell of a coincidence.

How are the two things related? I'm not sure I follow.

[buldermar]

buldemar, can you ever think for yourself mate?

It happens.

[buldermar]

Just saw Messiah's result on buldemar. Not sure it changes my opinion but regardless...

VOTE: Mac

P.edit...stfu buldemar. If there was more to your lame response...provide a link. If you didn't multipost and quote a dumbass maybe you'd be easier to read.

Oh hey thanks for common sense.

I provided links to several other people and I'm simply not going to do it again for your convenience.

[buldermar]

It looks like he unvoted because of my result in 1980, but in 1981 I think he was clarifying that he had just noticed the supposed innocent investigation crumb and that is actually why he unvoted. Is that accurate, Buldermar?

No, both were because of the supposed investigation crumb.

[buldermar]

@Buld:

How did you miss this post?

Do you think I'm scum and intentionally ignoring your VT claim or where is this going?

[buldermar]

It looks like he unvoted because of my result in 1980, but in 1981 I think he was clarifying that he had just noticed the supposed innocent investigation crumb and that is actually why he unvoted. Is that accurate, Buldermar?

And considering he did it in a post where Mollie was

talking about your result

, I find this whole situation just bizarre. I also don't like the fact that buldermar says since PC just made a vague "crumb" (which she claims herself was not one) instead of claiming something makes it somehow more likely to come from town.

p-edit: I agree that Messiah is probably town just based on how the whole thing with Slandaar went down.

I thought it was a crumb at the time and I still think it easily could have been, but I obviously know it wasn't at this point. You're suggesting that I deliberately pretended to be thinking that it was a crumb - for what purpose exactly? What is the scum motivation for doing so?

[buldermar]

It looks like he unvoted because of my result in 1980, but in 1981 I think he was clarifying that he had just noticed the supposed innocent investigation crumb and that is actually why he unvoted. Is that accurate, Buldermar?

No, both were because of the supposed investigation crumb.

Yeah, that's what I meant.

I don't see the Buldermar!Scum in this. If he wanted a reason to unvote why wouldn't he just use my results? He obviously believed he saw a crumb.

If I wanted to unvote and needed a reason there is about a trillion better options than claiming to have seen a crumb that isn't there.

[buldermar]

Yeah, that's what I meant.

I don't see the Buldermar!Scum in this. If he wanted a reason to unvote why wouldn't he just use my results? He obviously believed he saw a crumb.

I agree that I am finding it difficult to see definitive scum motivation here; however the whole angle from buldermar yesterday and today has just been really obtuse and pings me as trying to focus on something other than the actual pertinent issues at hand or pretending to not be reading.

p-edit: heh

I'm not "pretending to not be reading", I'm actually not reading this game carefully, which is probably why I missed the VT out by mollie and the result by Messiah in the first place.

[buldermar]

No, you're quite correct. I don't know.

UNVOTE:

No longer feel like pushing this right now.

Alright, thanks.

Now only the two scums (GoatGuy and Majiffy) are voting me, and they'll find some arbitrary reason to unvote me fairly soon as well.

[buldermar]

Buldermar's VT confusion sounds Legit. Reduces my suspicion of him.

What made you suspicious at first and what reduced that suspicion?

[buldermar]

Right, so forget about the bus driver/redirector stuff.

I saw someone visit Buldermar. I don't know that it would be beneficial to reveal who it was though? We have quite a few dead/outed power-roles already, but I'm open to other opinions on the matter.

--

I'd like to lynch Mac. Pretty sure he's scum.

vote: Mac

He was one of the people that shitvoted me to counter the D1 Slandaar wagon, he lurked noticeably (his name being displayed on the bottom as browsing 3-4 times that I saw) during the period of time that Slandaar claimed to receive a negative result on PirateCat and conveniently avoided taking any sides, and then he posted IMMEDIATELY after I outed my watcher result and tried to discredit me for holding the result back.

This is pretty obvious.

I noticed that too. he stayed away from the d1 end of day shit show as well. but I am pretty sure buldey is scum. and it warms the cockles of my heart that everyone else is starting to come around!

also uber guile uber guile uber guile. <------ he thinks he is being sneaky with his sneaking around but we are onto him!

Oh no sweetheart, can't you go back to your town read on me? I hate when we fight.

[buldermar]

I saw someone visit Buldermar. I don't know that it would be beneficial to reveal who it was though? We have quite a few dead/outed power-roles already, but I'm open to other opinions on the matter.

I think everyone here can figure out that it probably was PirateCat.

wat

we are vt

you are not even paying attention are you

Correct.

[buldermar]

It looks like he unvoted because of my result in 1980, but in 1981 I think he was clarifying that he had just noticed the supposed innocent investigation crumb and that is actually why he unvoted. Is that accurate, Buldermar?

And considering he did it in a post where Mollie was

talking about your result

, I find this whole situation just bizarre. I also don't like the fact that buldermar says since PC just made a vague "crumb" (which she claims herself was not one) instead of claiming something makes it somehow more likely to come from town.

p-edit: I agree that Messiah is probably town just based on how the whole thing with Slandaar went down.

I thought it was a crumb at the time and I still think it easily could have been, but I obviously know it wasn't at this point. You're suggesting that I deliberately pretended to be thinking that it was a crumb - for what purpose exactly? What is the scum motivation for doing so?

I don't see how you could have seen it as a crumb when I said the change in our read was predicated on jal being town. that "breadcrumb" was us visiting the possibility that you might be town. I still you incredibly scummy, like dripping in pondscum scummy and I have thought so since d1. your case on us was terrible and you have been opportunistic as hell with your votes so fuck ya you are scum.

Darling, I love when you talk dirty but I need sensitive care too you know?

[buldermar]

Only reason I was holding out on Bulder yesterday because it looked like he may have hinted at being cop. He obviously isn't and probably not a PR in general either.

Anyone else think Jal tracked Buldemar N1 and got no result?

This is a good catch. Doesn't clear him by any stretch though.

[buldermar]

@Buld:

Can you paraphrase your flavour without breaking mod rules?

Sure why not.

[buldermar]

I'm Captain Quentin Michaelson and I'm the leader of something called the COG Navy.

[buldermar]

OMG FUCK.

Not allied to the COG. ^

What?

[buldermar]

Can we discuss that all day yesterday Buldermar was trying to downtalk my analysis of the wagons and the gamestate, and trying to weaken any attempt at building a Slandaar wagon again? Yeah? Lets not forget that really obvious bit.

Were you attempting to build a Slandaar wagon? Because that would change my opinion of you entirely.

[buldermar]

Actually I take that back - two teams possibility and all.

[buldermar]

buldey I hate it when we fight too but the kiss but make up afterwards will be great!

supposedly you were reading the game close ennough to form a terribad terri terri terribad meta case on me on d1 but only finding mala's scummy did you forget about all this already

I don't have any overriding scum or town feelings towards Buldermar, but I sure as hell know I don't want him near endgame with the amount of circuituous, highly flawed logic her brings to this game.
Sadly, the alternative to taking him there is taking one of our many lurkers.

I don't understand what you are saying here could you plz rephrase it

I actually did forget about that.

[buldermar]

PirateCat, Goat,

Slandaar

, havingfitz, Buldermar

I'm feeling town on Goat. Still up in the air on PC, so that probably means scum.

If you idiots aren't willing to lynch Buldermar, can we settle for Fitz? He's a little scumbutt too.

What's wrong with mac?

[buldermar]

Buldermar's logic and approach to this game, while not indicative of his alignment necessarily, detracts from scumhunting as he draws attention onto himself by flailing at anyone who holds an opinion contrary to his. While it is not necessarily scummy, it is anti-town in that it muddies the waters, and therefore I would prefer not to take him to endgame.

I've just been playing poorly and being lazy in this game specifically - it's not my general approach.

[buldermar]

doesn't mean he isn't scum though

Fucking vote him then!

You just want her for yourself.

[buldermar]

Is anyone else feeling how terrible Mac's unvote of PC is? And that he didn't even put a vote on anyone else until a little later? I feel like I'm in some bizzarro universe.

Mac, you were suspicious of PC because of the 2 scum team thing, and you're suspicious of Viomi because of the lack of content? Do you have any real scumreads based on anything substantial?

I trust that you're town, and I know that you're reading this game carefully by virtue of you figuring out that I was telling the truth regarding the supposed breadcrumb, so I'm happy just sheeping you for now.

[buldermar]

PirateCat, Goat,

Slandaar

, havingfitz, Buldermar

I'm feeling town on Goat.

Still up in the air on PC, so that probably means scum

.

If you idiots aren't willing to lynch Buldermar, can we settle for Fitz? He's a little scumbutt too.

and this is why I think

you

are scum cos town majiffy would have figured it out by now!

eta: buldey stop ninja-ing me!

Well he also thinks I'm scum so...

[buldermar]

Is anyone else feeling how terrible Mac's unvote of PC is? And that he didn't even put a vote on anyone else until a little later? I feel like I'm in some bizzarro universe.

Mac, you were suspicious of PC because of the 2 scum team thing, and you're suspicious of Viomi because of the lack of content? Do you have any real scumreads based on anything substantial?

no! it is terrible! this is why I am good with only a mac lynch

Fixed it.

[buldermar]

Buldermar's logic and approach to this game, while not indicative of his alignment necessarily, detracts from scumhunting as he draws attention onto himself by flailing at anyone who holds an opinion contrary to his. While it is not necessarily scummy, it is anti-town in that it muddies the waters, and therefore I would prefer not to take him to endgame.

I've just been playing poorly and being lazy in this game specifically - it's not my general approach.

Which raises the question of just why you're posting so much and yet with so little actual content, whilst leading us around in logic that wouldn't look out of place in dead R'lyeh dreaming.

Touché. Maybe I will start trying.

[buldermar]

[6] Slandaar:

Majiffy

, Messiah,

PirateCat

, borkjerfkin,

Knight of Cydonia, CryoNudist

I currently have 5 scum voting me
Its actually hilarious.

Called/argued PirateCat, KoC, Cryo, Majiffy as scum.

Messiah went from a scum read to a buddy (1419).
Bork has 2 mentions only (968 and 975). Sorry, between those posts are back forths.

Bork probably not-scum, or 1264 is bussing when counterwagon could have been increased.

^^ town.

[buldermar]

Fitz seems town.

Fitzscum cares about how he appears much more.

Fitzscum cares about how he appears much more.

so at some point you will have no problem pulling up a meta case on him in order to support this and to justify the reasoning behind it.

lol
I probably won't be doing that.

I would rather lynch havingfits personally and he is tweaking the other head's scumdar too.

Oh wait; you are going after low hanging fruit???

I have explained Fitz; he seems town because when hes scum he tries to look town where here he isn't. Not foolproof but especially in his catchup bits I am pretty sure as scum he would write more.

I have no desire to write a case touting his townness though lol.

Why do you think this is such a big issue?

Fitz soft-defense by Slandaar

Fitz is probably scum.

[buldermar]

No, Buld, the flavour which is the little tiny paragraph after the name. GiF was confused and he had to read his PM before reading the flavor. How many times does it mention Locust? Does it name anything else that could be considered something other then the CoG or the Locust?

What does it matter? All flavor is random according to the mod.

[buldermar]

Why are you morons voting me? Majiffy and Goat doesn't need to explain themselves because I already know they're scum.

Explain, how majiffy is scum?

VOTE: GoatGuy

Again, Explain. What is this?

I'm not going to explain why Majiffy is scum because it is based on meta and I play a lot of games with him.

Goat is scum for reasons I have already explained previously in this game - just ISO me.

[buldermar]

>8 Pages

Nope.jpg

I like your new avatar.

[buldermar]

Here's Buldermar naysaying my wagon analysis (which includes Slandaar)
Here's Buldermar deflecting a question to Slandaar
Here's Buldermar soft-defending Slandaar by means of scum-read on Goat based on Slandaar-town flip.
Here's Buldermar being caught out

Then theres the PC bullshit and the [url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4853380]blatant OMGUSing[url].

So basically, we should have lynched Buldermar already. But apparently no one can fucking read.

Yeah by all means everyone read that and tell me how any of it is scummy.

Thanks.

[buldermar]

or... Majiffy can do it. His points on Buldy is pretty decent and probably better then what I can come up with ATM.

also consider the fact that both people who make up that slot are scummy looking.

GIF with his trying to look active and helpful, but isn't really doing anything and then Buldemar with what Jiffy just put up. He also refused to join the Slandaar wagon because "scum" was on it which, really, were guys that he didn't like

VOTE: Buldermar

Oh really? His points are decent?

Will you elaborate on how each of his points address something scummy about me? From what I see he just arbitrarily quoted some posts and claimed that they look scum.

[buldermar]

Goat is scum for reason

s I have already explained previously in this game - just ISO me.

I fixed this for you, because...unless I'm mistaken, the only reason you think I'm scum is because of a statement I made a bit ago. Here's the solitary reason you gave:

There you have it. "Hi, look at me I'm not scum and I'm not a power role because I'm going to use specifically the night phase where I don't have anything to do (as opposed to the day phase where I make posts) to delve into Wiki". No, scum, try again.

You're scum.

See, here's the thing: I think you're lying. I think you pulled an OMGUS vote, got called on it, realized how made it looked, and just made up something to cover it. You know who cares about how they look?

Here's my initial impression of you:

After reading the past dozen or so pages and comprehending as best I can, the Buildermar wagon is the one I've liked best this entire day. That Messiah wagon ended up looking so scum-laden it hurt my eyes. You know who Buildermar reminds me of? Me, when I get all "fast and loose" as a bad guy in a Werewolf game.

vote: Buildermar

Here's the statement that supposedly made you think I was scum:

(I'm going to delve into Wiki a bit during night phase, so I feel less stupid.)

Here's your reaction:

The Goat is scum too btw. Just saying it now so that you guys know if I get nightkilled.

Here's the sequence where I called you out on it:

The Goat is scum too btw. Just saying it now so that you guys know if I get nightkilled.

From yesterday. Can you give me any thought behind this that doesn't start with OMG and end with US?

I'm too lazy to read back and figure out what I based it on atm, I just made a pretty clear mental note of it. I may find it tomorrow.

It is difficult for me to convey how much I'm looking forward to this. Please find it.

And here, again, is your explanation

:

There you have it. "Hi, look at me I'm not scum and I'm not a power role because I'm going to use specifically the night phase where I don't have anything to do (as opposed to the day phase where I make posts) to delve into Wiki". No, scum, try again.

You're scum.

That's just ridiculous.

Now, TODAY, you're doing stuff like this:

I'm not "pretending to not be reading", I'm actually not reading this game carefully, which is probably why I missed the VT out by mollie and the result by Messiah in the first place.

VOTE: Buldermar

Hi scum.

(Right. As long as you're not OMGUS voting.)

Also don't waste your time voting me if it's to get a claim, because that's not going to happen.

I'm not going to explain why Majiffy is scum because it is based on meta and I play a lot of games with him.

So, you're basically being lazy, stubborn, and unhelpful. Additionally, you're making judgements about people's alignment while playing in such a manner. Some would call that anti-town. I simply think you're scum. Keep in mind that I haven't even touched the blind following of your buddy Slandaar yesterday.

Remember that time when you said I'd find an arbitrary reason to unvote you? I don't see that happening any time soon.

^^ that was unexpected and looks town.

Also, if you have any questions let me know and I'll actually for once do my best answering them.

[buldermar]

Not sure Messiah's watch result on buldy means anything.

How the fuck are you not sure that it means anything? How can it mean nothing?

[buldermar]

As for the explanation though...doing an ISO on buldy w/ PC, I do not see where PC indicated any kind of innocent on buldy as is mentioned in Post 2085.

Have you not been following the game at all? I thought I was bad, but you're on a league of your own.

[buldermar]

I never said you were scum?

but he is.

[buldermar]

As for you getting all pissy about your excuse for going back and forth about PC...I'm not seeing it. And between 80+ pages...your fcuked up shotgun posting and a 2"*4" screen to review... I wouldn't be surprised if I was missing something. So show me or quit bitching about it.

Have Messiah explain it to you or read again or pretend like you don't think it's there because I'm too lazy to find it for another person.

[buldermar]

Still believe Mac is scum. He's freaking out over the current wagon forming on him.

Why is scum-mac more likely to freak out than town-mac?

[buldermar]

[buldermar]

Still believe Mac is scum. He's freaking out over the current wagon forming on him.

I do also like Bacade or whatever for scum too. Two good choices I'm opening to lynching atm.

How am I freaking out?

Like this:

WAAAAAAAAAAAARGHGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIUUUU NOOOOOOOOOOO DOOOOOOOOOOOONTTLYYYYYYYYYYYYYNCHHHHHHHMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DOOONT DOOOOOOOO IIIIIIIIITTTTTTT PLXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

[buldermar]

Bacde is obviously not paying attention to this game and while Buldemar is saying he isn't, the things he has brought up in thread suggests that he is.

I wish this was true, but it's not. At least not yet.

[buldermar]

I AM VOTING HIM GODDAMMIT

HARDER, DAMNIT. VOTE HARDER.

You're still just jealous.

[buldermar]

I don't see any Buldermar scumminess really, you'll have to explain that to me.

PirateCat is welcome to share their thoughts there too. Goatperson too, I suppose

.

Qwints definitely seems scummy, but I want to leave him alone for now.

As much as I hate to say it, AN is super scumtastic and Mac's point on him earlier was good, and I would absolutely love to lynch Viomi.

messiah are you going to listen to me? like for realz?

my case on buldey is similar to why I thought slaandar was scum. buldey is a very logical, very strong player. he usually makes sense. are you seeing that here?

I know you are in love with a mac lynch but plzplzplzplz vote buldey. I have played tons of games with him and I am telling you he is scum. I was right about slaandar will you plz just trust me one more time.

VOTE: buldemar

tomorrow vote uber guile

The easiest way to see if a post is made by mollie or mala is to check whether I was voted or unvoted.

[buldermar]

buldey is a very logical, very strong player. he usually makes sense. are you seeing that here?

You would if you opened your eyes or actually listened to me. It's exactly like I said on day 1. You have this weird obnoxious way of deciding whether I'm scum or not early on and then you just interpret everything accordingly afterwards. I pointed out that it would be a massive waste of time talking to you because you had already made up your mind, and the fact that you're blatantly ignoring everything that proves that I can't possibly be town just underlines this. For instance, you're not adressed why I as scum would fake to have read a crumb by you that you never made in the first place. Where is the scum motivation behind that? Where is the scum motivation behind openly admitting not to be reading the game carefully? Where is the scum motivation behind ignoring your VT claim? Where is the scum motivation behind ignoring Messiah's investigation of you? Are you really just going by the hypothesis that if I'm scum I'm more likely to miss things?

[buldermar]

I know you are in love with a mac lynch but plzplzplzplz vote buldey. I have played tons of games with him and I am telling you he is scum.

You are like you have previously been wrong. At the same time, trying to make you change your mind is a massive waste of time.

[buldermar]

I was right about slaandar will you plz just trust me one more time.

VOTE: buldemar

You mean

I

was right about Slandaar, just like

I

will be right about buldermar?

You wont be right about me. We can talk now and I'm willing to actually participate because lynching me is pretty dumb. Your call, though, just fuck off with stupid post game trash talk suggesting that it was somehow my own fault.

[buldermar]

Yes this means I'm reading you as town now.

[buldermar]

mollie, please make a coherent list of reasons to consider me scum and I'll show you that you're wrong.

[buldermar]

Yes this means I'm reading you as town now.

You flip-flop harder than John Kerry.

What happened to that almighty meta read you had on me?

I'm just trying testing different ways of convincing you that I'm town!

[buldermar]

Oh right it was just OMGUS bullshit you wanted to explain away by "meta I can't reveal".

Really I was too lazy to figure out why I read you as scum in the first place, but why not pretend like it's meta instead?

[buldermar]

Why are you reading me as scum?

[buldermar]

Because Buldey's likely not scum.

why?

The things that happened last night. 1 nk and the fact he was targeted make me think he's town.[/quote]
Could you elaborate on this a bit?

[buldermar]

I was right about slaandar will you plz just trust me one more time.

VOTE: buldemar

You mean

I

was right about Slandaar, just like

I

will be right about buldermar?

nono

nononono

I called buldey scummy on d1 and you called me scummy for it and buddied up to him. other people may have early onset alzheimer's and not remember things correctly, I however, do not.

and yeah you pegged slaandar first but my reasons were better

Congratulations on being the one of you reading me the worst.

[buldermar]

Why are you reading me as scum?

You've already read and commented on why. So unless you have a memory of a goldfish...

By the by;

LYNCH THIS.

Oh right it was just OMGUS bullshit you wanted to explain away by "meta I can't reveal".

Really I was too lazy to figure out why I read you as scum in the first place, but why not pretend like it's meta instead?

I'm not going to explain why Majiffy is scum because it is based on meta and I play a lot of games with him.

LYNCH THIS.

I feel like I do have a memory of a goldfish atm. I'm not scum, so the question is whether or not you want to dig enough to figure this out. If you'd rather just blindly trust your read, there really isn't much I can do about it. On the other hand, if you want to figure it out, I'll be available for questions.

[buldermar]

...that's pretty fucking damning and I am more than happy to get rid of someone who has admitted he's not even trying to play AND is outright lying about stuff. LAL and all.

Vote: Buldemar

I think most people do this to some extent - the only difference is that I'm explaining why and trusting that other players are capable of understanding that I have no motivation as scum to do this. I can see that I was wrong in giving you so much credit.

[buldermar]

I've dug enough to provide a case that the best rebuttal you have offered is "does anyone REALLY thing this is scummy?!". Which they do.

So... good job.

Where is your case again? I'll look into it carefully.

[buldermar]

Can we discuss that all day yesterday Buldermar was trying to downtalk my analysis of the wagons and the gamestate, and trying to weaken any attempt at building a Slandaar wagon again? Yeah? Lets not forget that really obvious bit.

Were you attempting to build a Slandaar wagon? Because that would change my opinion of you entirely.

Did you ever answer this?

[buldermar]

lol

buldey I know you are grinning as you type all of this out you scummy little scummery scumscum you.

you got your hand caught in the cookie jar

You're mistaking. Like I've said previously, I don't lose games as scum. You're best off lynching me when you can't find a single reason to do so, not when you think there is a trillion of reasons. This is because I'm well capable of manipulating you succesfully. In this game, I havn't really done anything to live up to my reputation as town, I know that. But I also have made a lot of mistakes that I would have never made had I been scum.

If you want to, you can ask me questions now. I'll answer them carefully and detailed. I'll reread things to do so. It's entirely up to you, but I don't think you really have anything to lose from it.

I'm sorry that I havn't really been taking this game seriously and that I havn't done much to contribute. I do have excuses, but that's besides the point.

[buldermar]

lol

buldey I know you are grinning as you type all of this out you scummy little scummery scumscum you.

you got your hand caught in the cookie jar

You're mistaking. Like I've said previously, I don't lose games as scum. You're best off lynching me when you can't find a single reason to do so, not when you think there is a trillion of reasons. This is because I'm well capable of manipulating you succesfully. In this game, I havn't really done anything to live up to my reputation as town, I know that. But I also have made a lot of mistakes that I would have never made had I been scum.

If you want to, you can ask me questions now. I'll answer them carefully and detailed. I'll reread things to do so. It's entirely up to you, but I don't think you really have anything to lose from it.

I'm sorry that I havn't really been taking this game seriously and that I havn't done much to contribute. I do have excuses, but that's besides the point.

Your defence is "I don't lose as scum and you want to lynch me here so clearly I'm not scum"?
Really?

My defence against what? I'm still waiting for the reasons why I'm considered scum. The fact that I do not lose as scum is nothing but that - a fact. I'll defend myself once I understand why people think I'm scum, aside from the fact that I've been trolling and I havn't been following the game carefully and I have been lying. For what it's worth, all of these are not alignment indicative as the more experienced players in this game will know.

[buldermar]

Alright then.

vote: Buldermar

Messiah, why do you think I'm more likely to change my behavior now as scum than as town? (I assume this is why you're voting me)

[buldermar]

fyi the fact that PirateCat, Ms Marangal, and Majiffy (and to a lesser extent Goatman and Cryo) are on this wagon is a big part of why I'm willing to join it too. That's a force of towniness if I've ever seen one.

I understand that, and I read you as town, but the fact that they are willing to join it does not change the fact that I'm town.

I'm asking you what I can do at this point to show you or prove to you that I'm town.

[buldermar]

lol

buldey I know you are grinning as you type all of this out you scummy little scummery scumscum you.

you got your hand caught in the cookie jar

You're mistaking. Like I've said previously, I don't lose games as scum. You're best off lynching me when you can't find a single reason to do so, not when you think there is a trillion of reasons. This is because I'm well capable of manipulating you succesfully. In this game, I havn't really done anything to live up to my reputation as town, I know that. But I also have made a lot of mistakes that I would have never made had I been scum.

If you want to, you can ask me questions now. I'll answer them carefully and detailed. I'll reread things to do so. It's entirely up to you, but I don't think you really have anything to lose from it.

I'm sorry that I havn't really been taking this game seriously and that I havn't done much to contribute. I do have excuses, but that's besides the point.

Your defence is "I don't lose as scum and you want to lynch me here so clearly I'm not scum"?
Really?

My defence against what? I'm still waiting for the reasons why I'm considered scum. The fact that I do not lose as scum is nothing but that - a fact. I'll defend myself once I understand why people think I'm scum, aside from the fact that I've been trolling and I havn't been following the game carefully and I have been lying. For what it's worth, all of these are not alignment indicative as the more experienced players in this game will know.

the only reason you won the game I gmed on tr is cos raven or I weren't playing. we would have lynched for the sheer amount of kill tells you and nacho kept dropping.

History is history and you are yet to read me correctly when I'm scum. I'm not particularly interested in what you think you would have done in games in which you didn't participate.

Do you have anything you wish to ask me in this game? I've offered my help to show you that I am indeed town. I've asked of you to show me why you think I'm not.

[buldermar]

I don't really think that? I shape up when I'm wagoned as town. You look like you're caught in a lie, though. You seemed content to talk about how flawless your scum game is until now.

What lie?

I still think my scum game is flawless, even now. In what post did I supposedly retract that statement?

[buldermar]

buldey tell me a story....

tell me how scummy you thought I was again. and how it was based on meta

Alright, I'll explain my thoughts as I remember them now without reading back (and I can additionally look back in the thread and re-explain things if you wish).

In the beginning of the game, you made a lot of scum reads and no town reads (this is verifiable by ISO'ing you; I suggest anyone who thinks I'm lying about this do so). Generally speaking, scum benefits from not getting "locked into" town reads early on. On the other hand, it's very advantageous for scum to keep all doors open by reading players as null/leaning this and that/scum. This was my first main reason for thinking you'd be scum.

After this reason we had a lot of debate about this, and I thought your reaction was unlike what I have previously seen from you. However, at the time I didn't pay attention to when a post was from you and when it was from mala (now I identify the difference by capitalized letters or lack thereof). It may be that I've misread your reaction because it really wasn't yours.

Obviously, I'm now fairly certain that you're town based on Messiah (it was him, right?) investigating you as such.

Does it answer your question?

[buldermar]

buldey tell me a story....

tell me how scummy you thought I was again. and how it was based on meta

Alright, I'll explain my thoughts as I remember them now without reading back (and I can additionally look back in the thread and re-explain things if you wish).

In the beginning of the game, you made a lot of scum reads and no town reads (this is verifiable by ISO'ing you; I suggest anyone who thinks I'm lying about this do so). Generally speaking, scum benefits from not getting "locked into" town reads early on. On the other hand, it's very advantageous for scum to keep all doors open by reading players as null/leaning this and that/scum. This was my first main reason for thinking you'd be scum.

After this reason we had a lot of debate about this, and I thought your reaction was unlike what I have previously seen from you. However, at the time I didn't pay attention to when a post was from you and when it was from mala (now I identify the difference by capitalized letters or lack thereof). It may be that I've misread your reaction because it really wasn't yours.

Obviously, I'm now fairly certain that you're town based on Messiah (it was him, right?) investigating you as such.

Does it answer your question?

sort of. as reasonable as you are trying to make yourself sound you are still scum

I'm not. What can I do to show you that you're wrong?