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[Ms Marangal]

errrr....

I'm here. I'll catch up eventually

[Ms Marangal]

erm... Why is AP scum, for whoever has a scum read on him. he reads town to me

ANG is iffy, I can see AP's point on him though

um, I don't agree with a Jiffy lynch

KoC contributed as much as I have in terms of content and scum hunting and I only have to post so...

[Ms Marangal]

that's def. mollie

hi mollie

don't white knight me though, you know how paranoid that makes me

Pidgeon is town, not strong town, but I can't see why people are thinking he's scum. From what I could see, he's probably one of the most townie guys here

[Ms Marangal]

Pedit:why is Jiffy scum?

[Ms Marangal]

... shut up

point taken though, I'll keep an open mind on Jiffy and pidgeon

though I don't get why Pidgeon is role-fishing someone who had already outed their role...

I'm not following that random vote either, I'm pretty sure RVS ended at like, page two

Pedit: KoC stated that he has contributed the most in this game, I think he's overestimating his content thus why I stated he has contributed as much as I have when I only had two posts to my name

[Ms Marangal]

why exactly is AP

buddying

white knighting Fitz? he has had one post, and honestly, it was pretty scummy. I'm pretty Null on Piratecat Neither head has done anything to make me think they are scum... when I am able to tell the heads apart, and neither are really doing anything for me to think that they are town.

umm... Jal can be town, I can easily see why, though what I can't see is why would Mollie/Mala would state it out in the open, I don't see a reason for it.

[Ms Marangal]

RVS=Random Voting stage

[Ms Marangal]

first off, that technique won't work on line since you have to type out your response

second off, you admit that you were trying to get Jiffy to "claim" scum? that move is so anti-town, it isn't even funny

[Ms Marangal]

don't you dare pair me with that scumshit mollie, seriously, don't. I want nothing to do with him, and no goat, I'm not joking. that stunt you pulled is anti-town, but I can't figure out if it's coming from a townsman, or if it's coming from scum

[Ms Marangal]

Mollie getting worked up about a random vote outside of RVS is very likely to be town motivated

[Ms Marangal]

but the things you did with Majiffy is what I had taken seriously

[Ms Marangal]

anyway, the fact that Mollie reacted like that makes her lean town. the RVS vote outside of RVS is anti-town as shit too, but your interaction with Jiffy is more so.

I basically agree with what mollie stated in regards to that vote....

I should just totally sheep her, i mean she's already stated what I'm thinking. get outta my mind mollie :T

Pedit:GET OUTTA MY MIND

[Ms Marangal]

anyway, the fact that Mollie reacted like that makes her lean town. the RVS vote outside of RVS is anti-town as shit too, but your interaction with Jiffy is more so.

I basically agree with what mollie stated in regards to that vote....

I should just totally sheep her, i mean she's already stated what I'm thinking. get outta my mind mollie :T

Pedit:GET OUTTA MY MIND

[Ms Marangal]

What? the stunt you pulled with Jiffy? you basically admitted to trying to manipulate him into stating something that you wanted to hear so... it's anti-town.

Pedit: big post is scummy? huh?

[Ms Marangal]

I don't see what's scummy about it either?

[Ms Marangal]

lolol.

you guys should totally sign your posts or something

[Ms Marangal]

and vice-versa. like I would care if people find me suspicious anyway

[Ms Marangal]

JMT?

[Ms Marangal]

holy cow, give me a sec to catch up

[Ms Marangal]

Mac, I'm hardly forming a case against Goat, Mollie's the one who formed a case against him I'm just totally averse to being associated with him. don't ask me why, I just am. I really hadn't made a case against anyone yet, the game is moving way to fast for me to solidify on my read :/

out of curiosity, out of everyone here who has, and is attacking goats, why single me out?

is Malak me? what about Mollie's wall looks scummy? I'm not seeing it

Mastin is alarming, IDK why he outright stated he was town. just makes him more suspicious IMO

I could vote for him due to his comment about GIF, was that a scumslip?

Pedit: so many posts...

[Ms Marangal]

Mac, I'm hardly forming a case against Goat, Mollie's the one who formed a case against him I'm just totally averse to being associated with him. don't ask me why, I just am. I really hadn't made a case against anyone yet, the game is moving way to fast for me to solidify on my read :/

out of curiosity, out of everyone here who has, and is attacking goats, why single me out?

is Malak me? what about Mollie's wall looks scummy? I'm not seeing it

Mastin is alarming, IDK why he outright stated he was town. just makes him more suspicious IMO

I could vote for him due to his comment about GIF, was that a scumslip?

Pedit: so many posts...

[Ms Marangal]

Mac, I'm hardly forming a case against Goat, Mollie's the one who formed a case against him I'm just totally averse to being associated with him. don't ask me why, I just am. I really hadn't made a case against anyone yet, the game is moving way to fast for me to solidify on my read :/

out of curiosity, out of everyone here who has, and is attacking goats, why single me out?

is Malak me? what about Mollie's wall looks scummy? I'm not seeing it

Mastin is alarming, IDK why he outright stated he was town. just makes him more suspicious IMO

I could vote for him due to his comment about GIF, was that a scumslip?

Pedit: so many posts...

[Ms Marangal]

Shaddup Jiffy

and Mollie did that, not me.. or well, Mollie started to bring up Goats RV out of RVS scummy point, I just enforced it. and it was way out of RVS, so why isn't it scummy?

also, if I'm scum, why are you voting Mac?

PEdit: STOP POSTING FUCK

[Ms Marangal]

uhh... why am I town then AA?

[Ms Marangal]

AA: you said I wasn't scum... so I assumed you think I'm town, or do you just have a null read on me? I'm still trying to read through and get a definitive stance. as of right now though, I don't have anything to say beyond guts

[Ms Marangal]

you just stated that you were kidding in 423... I am so confused :/

[Ms Marangal]

you just stated that you were kidding in 423... I am so confused :/

Actually that was Nero but that doesn't mean that we think you're town. He is right. You're pretty much null to him and leaning scum to me.
so, that makes you fit between the Null > Leaning Scum category for us.

And you still haven't answered to my question about where you're at with your catching up? and what your scum reads and town reads?

oh, I'm on page like, 11 and my reads are all essentially Null.

[Ms Marangal]

you just stated that you were kidding in 423... I am so confused :/

Actually that was Nero but that doesn't mean that we think you're town. He is right. You're pretty much null to him and leaning scum to me.
so, that makes you fit between the Null > Leaning Scum category for us.

And you still haven't answered to my question about where you're at with your catching up? and what your scum reads and town reads?

oh, I'm on page like, 11 and my reads are all essentially Null.

OMG, Please don't fill this page with these posts, they ain't going to do any good to you. Trust me!!. Unless you're putting up this whole dumb act..

I was answering your question Angel... Unless that's Nero, then nevermind.

I just realized, KoC enter's, does IIoA, is somewhat aggressive early on, and stated that he contributed most to the discussion, though really he didn't do jack...

at that point, I retaliated with "I'm doing just as much" when I only had two posts, one stating that I was here, the other an awkward post and KoC was never heard from again...

ANG, I can see why he's scummy. I feel he has over reacting to messiah's pressure on him

and Jiffy is being pretty Cocky. nothing new there

AP, I still feel pretty townie about

Mastin, I find to be townie, though his miller claim is to gutsy for scum, so he can be town

Jal can he town

Goat I still feel pretty scummy about, I still don't really like his rvs vote, nor do I like his little "stunt"

Angel and Mollie hydra's are both active, and contributing to the conversation, I find them both leaning town

Mac is null leaning scum

Bork is Completely Null

Pedit: Moar posts

[Ms Marangal]

no, I'm not suspecting you due to OMGUS. You used my interactions with Goat, when other's interacted with him far stronger and tried to make much stronger cases on him. you aren't really providing much reason with anything you post, and are seemingly following the tide of things

[Ms Marangal]

286...

oh yeah, what about that reaction is ridiculous? and yes, you are following tides, you may be the only person to vote on me however there are already several others already tagging me as scum.

[Ms Marangal]

Thanks for filling me in on what he actually means there, champ!

Except, he didn't actually say these things. He didn't say scummy or call people scummy individuals. If he thought they were scummy, why not just say, HEY I THINK THEY ARE SCUMMY!! ? Because he is not actually giving reads, Mr "Meh, not D1 Lynch Material."

You're not the brightest crayon in this box of players, are you?

Wait. ARE you a dick?

I've been described as such in so many words.

I've been described as such in so many words.

Your honesty is refreshing.

Are you scum?

Would you believe any answer I gave?

Would you believe any answer I gave?

I was hoping you would be lured into a pattern of answering "yes." Sales technique and all.

Ah, well...one of these days, that'll work

My vote stays where it is.

[Ms Marangal]

whoops

I didn't accuse him of anything, he stated that he was trying to manipulate him. active maipulation is anti-town

[Ms Marangal]

I obviously didn't or I wouldn't have called him out on it.

[Ms Marangal]

because you aren't Mollie/Mala's only scum read?

I'm pretty sure they have stated they had a scum read on a few other people

[Ms Marangal]

... why is everyone voting Cryo? is it just a PL thing cuz he's trolling?

[Ms Marangal]

I really don't like this Cryo vote, I don't like most of the major wagons TBH, I can't find any real reason behind any of them. I'm more interested in Mac, KoC, and Goat, KoC is at the top. Not sure about qwints, and I'm defintely feeling iffy about AANero

[Ms Marangal]

Does he really? why?

[Ms Marangal]

I mean, the only real case I have on him is that RV outside of RVS and his admittance to active manipulation. is it really not that dependable scum-tell?

[Ms Marangal]

AP is definitely town for his early pressure on ANG, though I find that pressure to be misplaced.

[Ms Marangal]

of course you would want me gone Goat, without me the cops cant work and get get a guilty result on you and your teammates. You also wouldn't be able to kill me at night so the only real way to get me out of the game is to lynch me. that's not going to happen

[Ms Marangal]

but seriously, that's just about the shittiest case of OMGUS one could come up with

[Ms Marangal]

the thing is though, you are scum. one way or another, I'm going to get the evidence to prove that I'm right, hell I'll probably even find out who your buddies are in the process. right now, I'm leaning KoC and maybe Mac. you state that you suspect them, but you never have once put to much pressure on them, Mac more specifically. I mean, you can easily live without all your partners right?

Pedit: yes I did, I can't die so there's no inherent danger in doing what I did

[Ms Marangal]

yes... I am, but you havn't done much else to place pressure on him. to me it read as scum who is lightly bussing their buddy until they can find a better target

[Ms Marangal]

and I am by no means dramatic AP

[Ms Marangal]

Does he really? why?

His comments tend to follow my line of thought.

I mean, the only real case I have on him is that RV outside of RVS and his admittance to active manipulation. is it really not that dependable scum-tell?

Nah, I manipulate people all the time as town. How do you think I get my way so often?

And RVs outside of RVS are just didn't-read-tells.

Goat and Mara

- Pretty sure you're both town so... lets play nice and lynch the scum.

I really don't believe that Goat is town though...

the thing is though, you are scum. one way or another, I'm going to get the evidence to prove that I'm right, hell I'll probably even find out who your buddies are in the process. right now, I'm leaning KoC and maybe Mac. you state that you suspect them, but you never have once put to much pressure on them, Mac more specifically. I mean, you can easily live without all your partners right?

Pedit: yes I did, I can't die so there's no inherent danger in doing what I did

:blank stare:

Well, then, this should prove amusing.

...and you're aware I was VOTING KoC before I voted for you, right? I was thinking about accusing him of stuff he didn't do to aggravate him, but you've cornered that market pretty well.

I beg of you to do what you say you're going to do, because I like apologies from crazy people. I'll be easy to find.

unvote

until morning.

and I didn't claim cop... I said they can't work if I'm dead... besides, there's always the possibility of GF

[Ms Marangal]

I claimed because I believe that being alive is pretty important. I don't intend to say anything more then what I have already said.

I can leave you alone for now...

Meanwhile, I want KoC to post. he clearly believed that he contributed to early discussions when his posts really didn't... I want to hear what he thinks he contributed so far

>.>

[Ms Marangal]

Posts 99, 152, and 201 are completely fluff. it never actually contributed to the actual game. at the time, you complained that Jiffy did nothing but sit on his arse while you did work... you never really did work, just fluff. Jiffy was right in calling you out

Jiff you are right with one person, but wrong on the other... I really doubt AP is scum but KoC is looking promising.

Pedit: MS= Metal Sonic

[Ms Marangal]

Metal Sonic isn't in here? I must be mixing up games

Jiffy isn't scum either AP

[Ms Marangal]

I'm not on that list either... Neither is Jal, MASTIN IS SEXIST

But seriously Nero, AP isn't scum... I really doubt that he is scum, and I'm not entirely sold on Cryo or Messiah

KoC's last post makes me cringe more, lets get votes on KoC

[Ms Marangal]

I don't even remember how I caught guille Mollie, It just happened...

and looking at the last couple pages, I'm not even sure Scum can be found among the most active of the bunch. most of everything is reading TvT to me, so I think it's highly likely that scum are letting town beat each other to a pulp, and come in later in game

speaking of, I

Can

be wrong about goat but I'll go back to him later

I can definitely get behind a KoC lynch, and after an ISO of Qwints, I would think he's good avenue to pursue as well, I definitely don't think Cryo or Messiah should be bothered until later. I'm not reading either of them as likely scum.

I don't know what happened to Uberguille Hydra, I know Guille has been somewhat active elsewhere, so him not posting here is odd, I don't even know when his last post was. I don't know enough about the Uber side to get a good read on it though

Bork can join the quiet scum pile as well

same with Mac

I'm not sure about Slandaar, me might be town though

Pedit: guilty... presumably

[Ms Marangal]

what do you mean Mastins claim makes more sense? did it not make sense before?

[Ms Marangal]

Mac, it's mostly PoE, and the fact that I feel that the quietest people are probably scum.

KoC is still scummier then you though, and so is GIF.

I feel that GIF is trying to keep from saying anything to productive, and KoC is trying to be productive to hide his scumminess.

[Ms Marangal]

why would you not lynch Mac AP?

[Ms Marangal]

why does it matter?

In my experience, scum are the ones who tend to ask that question, and push it. it a means of drawing out scum

[Ms Marangal]

you still have to answer the question I asked you a while back BTW, the one about Mastin's miller claim

[Ms Marangal]

I don't change my vote, or if I do, it changes very little. again, I will say, scum is more likely to ask that question. I also want to ask, why mention it now instead of a while back?

[Ms Marangal]

huh?

oh. I'm talking in general.

scum epiphany? as in, something that you could hopefully tag on to and make a baseless argument off of?

[Ms Marangal]

yes, you talking about why I am not voting is baseless, and something that most people would ignore as town. there are far more interactions to be made that don't have to do with playstyle and theory.

[Ms Marangal]

Why are you the only one to mention it?
hardly being defensive. just amused that you questioned something, and I find it to be scum-motivated.

of all the things you could have questioned me about, you decide to question my voting patterns.

[Ms Marangal]

yes, but there are far more useful stuff you could question me about liiikkeee... why I suddenly find Goat to be town, when I was so adamant that he was scum a while back?

[Ms Marangal]

because questioning my voting patterns is scummy. I don't like scummy questions

[Ms Marangal]

that and I'm tired

[Ms Marangal]

But your 861 implies that you wanted someone to ask you a question about your voting pattern. :V
Now that "somebody" asked you about that, are you gonna vote now?

no, I didn't. I don't consciously think about what I want people to comment on, I just note shit. 861 is stating observations I have noticed over time, and no, I'm not going to vote yet.

Pedit: damimt mollie, stop posting!!!

[Ms Marangal]

I really shouldn't post when I'm tired as fuck....


Commenting on me not voting is not, on it's own scummy, though what I did find to be scummy was what I believe to be GIF's intent on commenting on it. there is a whole lot of other things to comment on in this game, but he had decided to choose to comment on my not voting. what that looked like to me was scum looking for something to comment on, that didn't put them in the heat of the discussion, and make them look somewhat active.

hence, scummy question. why would town post something with little content, or post something to look like they are active? they have very little reason to do such a thing

I said that scum was more likely to point out me not voting, he rebuted with

"why would town ignore it"

and I asked why was he the only one to comment it, which he then said that it was because everyone was caught up in the Cryo and AP/AN though I did have my fair share of interactions, MAC and Goat both questioned me, as did Mollie (though I guess she doesn't really count since she already kinda knows my play style) and neither of them have brought up my lack of a vote.

as for why town would ignore it, there are far more important things at this point the the amount of times someone has voted liiikke... who is and isn't scum

and his vote on me is funny, funnier then Goats vote. like no joke, it almost looks like an OMGUS

Slaandar is totally wrong about his scum reads, though I'm not entirely sure of his alignment

and Mac, Yes I realize my reason on you is weak, hence why I didn't push it. I know other's have been far quieter, though all those guys are on my scum-list as well

[Ms Marangal]

you can keep on trying to get me to sheep you Jiffy, though it'll never happen

[Ms Marangal]

Mainly because I'm not yet reading Slaandar as scum, and I want my vote to land on scum.

and I don't sheep.

it has nothing to do with you, promise <3

[Ms Marangal]

oops, I didn't respond to goat

I nearly tunneled you, and your reaction to that tunnel was fairly decent. my "suddenly believing you are town" has to do with the fact that I stated that I

can

be wrong about you, and when I stated that all those that were active aren't pinging scum. my only reason to believe you're scum lessened when Jiffy responded to my question regarding you.

I don't even remember how I caught guille Mollie, It just happened...

and looking at the last couple pages, I'm not even sure Scum can be found among the most active of the bunch. most of everything is reading TvT to me, so I think it's highly likely that scum are letting town beat each other to a pulp, and come in later in game

speaking of, I

Can

be wrong about goat but I'll go back to him later

I can definitely get behind a KoC lynch, and after an ISO of Qwints, I would think he's good avenue to pursue as well, I definitely don't think Cryo or Messiah should be bothered until later. I'm not reading either of them as likely scum.

I don't know what happened to Uberguille Hydra, I know Guille has been somewhat active elsewhere, so him not posting here is odd, I don't even know when his last post was. I don't know enough about the Uber side to get a good read on it though

Bork can join the quiet scum pile as well

same with Mac

I'm not sure about Slandaar, me might be town though

Pedit: guilty... presumably

was talking about this post I had made

[Ms Marangal]

....

I think I might actually follow the flow-chart this time.

Slandaar looks terrible from the last few pages I skimmed, but I need to dissect his arguments and figure this out myself. I'll do something soonish

[Ms Marangal]

yeah I'll go ahead and address that maybe when you can be a little more civil cause I'm really not in the mood.

well I did a post edit of deleting the JESUSMOTHERFUCKINGCHIST and I don't think I have insulted you, not once.

I

am

trying to be civil. I am truly not seeing where you are coming from and I am struggling to see how you think that pidgeywidgey's OMGUS vote is in anyway legit.

it should be pretty obvious that interact with people who are in the game in real time. if I want to talk to someone I am usually "where the fuck are you?". like I have been trying to put steady pressure on the kernel cos they are not interacting with us!!!! how people have them in their town pile is a mystery all I can think of is that they are walking around with faerie dust in their pockets and blowing it in people's faces and suddenly people are like, "oh, they are so town". cos they aren't! if they are we are not seeing it.

who's reading the uberguille Hydra as town? I'm not seeing how they are town

[Ms Marangal]

... oh god, Slandaar is Terrible. his push against Cryo is terrible, and his argument against Jiffy is terrible, but I'm adamant to believe that the guy is actually scum. as terrible as he's been these last couple pages, I just think he has a really, really, really bad case of Tunnel vision who can't accept that he's actually wrong about something. I'm not seeing why his scum-tells are scum-tells, and the fact that he's stated that "I'll play the way I want to play" is what really makes me think he's town.


Slandaar, talk to me. what exactly are you trying to point out as a scum tell, and why exactly do you believe it to be a scum-tell?

I'm liking qwints more for a vote now, as his post before the vote was IIoA and his vote on Mollie makes no sense at all whatsoever. in fact, ALL his posts are IIoA and there's the fact that he's inactive.

[Ms Marangal]

This game is giving me a headache... all I see when I read are arguments that make it hard as fuck to hunt for scum.

I'm still don't know what Scum-tells Slandaar is talking about, though whatever he's talking about, I highly doubt they are actually scumtells. OMGUS isn't a scum tell, I don't see an instance where mollie Implies that she even believes that, and whatever he used against Majiffy looks nothing like scum tells at all. Slandaar doesn't even think of the fact that the interactions between the 5 "scum" have weird as fuck interactions with one another.

I want to hear more from Fitz, and the replacements, Buldermar more specifically.

[Ms Marangal]

why is Pirate scum?

and why are you town?

[Ms Marangal]

we have a week left, and this Slandaar wagon is shit

VOTE: Qwints

this would be a better wagon

Slandaar looks terrible, though he's actually engaging in the game, and I'm highly doubting that he's scum. he seems way to sure in his scum reads (as faulted as they may be) and he's being super aggressive, not backing down from pressure.

Qwints is using alot of IIoA, not exactly engaging himself into the game, though being enough of a presence to be noted as someone who's active. my other choice is GIF, though with the replacement fresh in, I'm going to give him a chance to voice his opinions in this game.

I'm not liking Mac either though he's been as active as he could be IMO and what of his post he has made, it contributes to the game somewhat.

[Ms Marangal]

no, the Slandaar wagon is super shit and shouldn't be happening at all.

[Ms Marangal]

I don't know if maybe you're getting confused, but "shit" is not the proper spelling for "awesome". Try copy-and-pasting how I spell it, and then just go ahead and use that whenever you refer to the Slandaar wagon.

lol, w/e you say jiffy

still not buying the slandaar wagon

[Ms Marangal]

Sure thing Mr. "X and Y are prob scum", "X-Z team makes sense" >votes Z.

Looks more like a CN/Qwints team, honestly.

then Sheep me onto Qwints

[Ms Marangal]

you can do it to AAnero, I mean I get the feeling that he's trying to ignore what I said cuz it's true.

[Ms Marangal]

and Mac, no I don't

[Ms Marangal]

no, Qwints is scum and Slandaar isn't.

[Ms Marangal]

Mac, I don't know how active you can be in a game, though I do no I get strong as fuck TvT vibes from those who are actually active, hence me going after quieter ones. I did say that, even though you were quiet, you were putting up content when you needed to.

I like the messiah wagon less then the Slandaar wagon dammit...

lets go after Qwints, and did Jiffy call me Mala?

[Ms Marangal]

that's the feeling I get off your post. you do make good content, so it gives me the illusion that you care about this game and would, if you could, post more

[Ms Marangal]

"Women" and their "feels"

[Ms Marangal]

Pedit: Slandaar is town...

[Ms Marangal]

why AP? what has qwints done to seem townish?

Pedit: Bork, Scum would have to be careful about attracting attention, and doing what Slandaar is doing attracts alot of attention. even I, who can be an attention whore, keeps tabs on how much attention I am getting, and how well I can deflect that attention and where/who I can deflect it to as scum. Slandaar isn't giving a shit about who look at him at what way, which is something town does more then scum.

[Ms Marangal]

also, being incredibly sure about scum-reads is a null tell though I'm more bullish, and stubborn in my reads as town, then as scum. again, it boils down to how much attention one is willing to attract

[Ms Marangal]

here is a thought

how about we lynch the kernel

I'd be down with that if Qwints doesn't take off. I stated somewhere that Uberguille being quiet was oddly strange for one head, probably the other head as well given, that I know Guille is active in other games

[Ms Marangal]

no, not Jal.

[Ms Marangal]

Jal pinged my town-dar awhile back and nothing she's done has harmed that in anyway

[Ms Marangal]

that was from Mollie obviously

[Ms Marangal]

Okay, I'll be the guy to ask. Why doesn't Mollie use caps and punctuation? She's quite erudite, from what I've seen.

I use it as a litmus test of sorts, in order to weed out those who prefer style over substance and to assess skill level. Players who prefer style over substance have a tendency to be shallow players and are frequently wrong with their reads and can be somewhat detrimental to a town win condition. For example, an argument can be presented using formal/informal logic but this is alignment neutral, since scum can do this just as easily as town and town is perfectly capable of being highly illogical and irrational with their responses. Players who have experience and skill can determine the motivations

behind

the posts, which is much more important IMHO.

This lays the groundwork for a town win.

win condition>>>scumhunting>>>figuring out who is actually

on

your team is part of that process----> end result = lynching scum

But I am sure you know that.

Mafia is a game of psychology, at least that is how I see it. For me at least, there is a great deal of intuition involved as in I make leaps of reasoning that I cannot always easily explain (pattern spotting). Other players do too and I think it has to do with spotting a syntax structure of a particular post that points to a win condition different from their own, but unable to articulate why (gut readers). Or, in the instance of having an additional responsibility in the game i.e. a power role, holding more information than the rest of vanilla town players (their team) have.

tl;dr: I prefer those who prefer substance over style, they tend to be winners. and not just in mafia.

fake eta: this is about as nerdy as I will get but certainly not as nerdy as I

can

get but I will spare you the rest.

fake eta2:

I love mafia thought the psychological aspect of it interests me more then the logical parts of the game.


Mollie you scare, and intrigue me at the same time

[Ms Marangal]

UNVOTE: UNVOTE:
VOTE: Slandaar

Compromise time, but I still do want a qwints lynch more then anything.

[Ms Marangal]

who's MS?

[Ms Marangal]

when did you peg me and mac as scum-mates?

[Ms Marangal]

Slandaar and Messiah are equally likely to come-up as town IMO and I have seen Messiah play, he has a good eye and is more efficient then what I have seen from Sladaar.

[Ms Marangal]

How does Messiah look like scum? I'm not seeing it, at all even after I looked at his Iso. yeah, he's been gone for a while but, like Mac most, if not all his post has content, and alot of it.

[Ms Marangal]

lol Jiffy, you just want things to go your way

I seriously do doubt that Slandaar is Maf, but even more so I doubt that Messiah is Maf. I do not like either wagon at all

Fitz was another potential suspect, but it could be that he could care less about this game.

GIF/Buldermar and Qwints is also way up there. most of my former read is mostly due to GIF, though Bulder isn't doing much to sway me either way on him. Qwints is unsettling, and I'm doubting it's due to his playstyle

[Ms Marangal]

Can we please all agree on a compromise of lynching havingfitz?

^

that's three people who prefer him over the current wagons (I think) anyone else?

[Ms Marangal]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fitz

I'm more comfortable here then I am on Slandaar.

[Ms Marangal]

no, Molliecat has done nothing to ping my scumdar. the Mollie head seem extremely Protown, and the Malahead does too. I don't see why people are thinking Molliecat is scum either.

Jump onto the Valid counter-wagon that will grab scum.

[Ms Marangal]

and Jiffy, I'd prefer scum lynch over town lynch.

[Ms Marangal]

Pirate: I think you are town because you voted to lynch my scumread
Pirate Explanation: You are town NOT because I think you are voting scum its because I think scum would more likely keep Slandaar in the game than Messiah. By voting Slandaar you are trying to lynch the person scum would want to keep around so you are not scum.

That isn't town.

Clearly.

It is assuming Messiah and I are both town; which makes no sense from her perspective.

that is observation that I happen to agree with. Scum are more likely to keep you around, because you are making so much noise that it's pretty hard to hear myself think.

and don't forget, that I had made the assumption that you and Messiah both are town as well, hence why I don't feel comfortable with either of your lynches.

Pedit: and town cannot make contradictions right?

[Ms Marangal]

Jump onto Fitz so we can get into night phase, and not lose any potential active town players?

[Ms Marangal]

Then move onto Fitz AAnero, and by not lynching Slandaar, we potentially lose less active town players so...

and why is Fitz town? at best, he could be uninterested Town who actually cares less about this game, which isn't something this game needs.

and that was a rhetorical question Slandaar

[Ms Marangal]

Then move onto Fitz AAnero, and by not lynching Slandaar, we potentially lose less active town players so...

and why is Fitz town? at best, he could be uninterested Town who actually cares less about this game, which isn't something this game needs.

and that was a rhetorical question Slandaar

[Ms Marangal]

Then move onto Fitz AAnero, and by not lynching Slandaar, we potentially lose less active town players so...

and why is Fitz town?

at best, he could be uninterested Town who actually cares less about this game, which isn't something this game needs.

and that was a rhetorical question Slandaar

he's a better target then you are, and at this stage I'm not going to get my top choices. others are willing to vote Fitz, so I would much rather go after him then go after you.

[Ms Marangal]

Then move onto Fitz AAnero, and by not lynching Slandaar, we potentially lose less active town players so...

and why is Fitz town?

at best, he could be uninterested Town who actually cares less about this game, which isn't something this game needs.

and that was a rhetorical question Slandaar

he's a better target then you are, and at this stage I'm not going to get my top choices. others are willing to vote Fitz, so I would much rather go after him then go after you.

[Ms Marangal]

Town are more likely to have confirmation Bias then Scum will Mollie. I'm pretty positive that Slandaar is town, he's town reading Fitz based off Meta which, I think is weak, but Viable coming from a town perspective.

[Ms Marangal]

good god, I'll move back to Slandaar if no one else moves to Fitz in two days.

Jesus Christ Slandaar, you're just completely misrepping Molliecat, Mollie specifically. that wall post explaining why Mollie is scum is nothing but fabrication on your part, and taking things way out of context. you seriously need to rethink your case.

[Ms Marangal]

all of 1443 is misrep AND taken out of context

[Ms Marangal]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Slandaar

god...

and Buldimar's last couple posts placed a huge dot on my scumdar.

[Ms Marangal]

Jesus Christ Slandaar, you're just completely misrepping Molliecat, Mollie specifically. that wall post explaining why Mollie is scum is nothing but fabrication on your part, and taking things way out of context. you seriously need to rethink your case.

Why would town Slaandar feel the need to fabricate you think?

both town-Slaandar and scum-Slaandar would prefer not getting lynched.

Hello.

When I ask question such as this, it's not for my own benefit for wanting to know why oh why would a town Slaandar do that oh goody goody gosh.

I've been in enough games with Slaandar where I've seen him as town make up some bullshit and attempt to follow through even after everyone calls him out on it. Slaandar trying to save his ass by fabricating things? No. If Slaandar is town, he wholly believes these things, otherwise why would he be playing around with a vote on piratecat when things may turn for the worse against him? No. A town Slaandar believes in the goods he sells when town. This is not the point I'm driving at though. If you believe he is mindfully fabricating as town, then I suggest turning around and rethinking dat thar read.

I was asking the question to Ms M, not you, not AP, not Majiffio, or Piratecat, or Uber the Supreme Pooper. I'm asking Ms M, the one person who thinks Slaandar is fabricating things and yet is not hopping on the Slaandard wagon like most others and why they think so. Thanks though, for not letting her speak for herself and (potentially) giving an out.

Champ.

as town, Slandaar could have been making things up to lynch mollie because he does believe that she is scum. it's a fault, that I admittedly have as well. people will sometimes take in thread evidence and blow it up to make it seem more important then it actually is. I'm just really, really frustrated with Slandaar and his Narrow vision of the game thus far

[Ms Marangal]

No, no, no, no, no

we are not lynching messiah you fuckers. How in the world is Messiah even remotely scummy? someone answer that please. I'm not seeing it, and all these votes on him are absolute shit. Messiah is a strong player, and HAS been V/LA yet, he has done way more then many others here. all the posts that he has done has had way more content, and has had way more sense then Slandaar.

[Ms Marangal]

Jal is not on the messiah wagon. last I checked, Jal hasn't placed a vote on anyone

[Ms Marangal]

NO, WTF? NO.

OMFG, this is stupid, Being V/LA is not scummy, I would much rather have Qwints or Mac lynched, I have stated that qwints was my top scum read so many times over. Bacde, get the fuck off Messiah and move onto SLandaar, PV you too.

and if people are going to say that the Slandaar wagon is scum driven who are the scum on the team? Me, Molliecat and Mafijjy? seriously you guys. Messiah's wagon is complete shit

[Ms Marangal]

THEN WHY ARE YOU VOTING MESSIAH? WHAT HAS MESSIAH DONE THAT'S SCUMMY?

[Ms Marangal]

I never said Slandaar is scummy, ever. never ever, I have stated so many times that I have a town read on Messiah and Slandaar both, and if I had to choose between the of them, I would much rather keep Messiah. Slandaar's play today has been absolute shit, and so damn Anti-town I can't even get past the anti-townness of his posts to actually scum hunt. I have also stated that, even with the time contstraints messiah has, he more content percentage in his post then a shit load of other players here. Especially Slandaar

[Ms Marangal]

now answer my fucking question. what has messiah done that's scummy?

[Ms Marangal]

HOW THE FUCK IS THAT ANTI-TOWN? I DO THAT ALL THE FUCKING TIME, AND CLAIMING WHEN A WAGON IS FORMING AGAINST YOU IS GOOD PRACTICE.

[Ms Marangal]

Yes because we are at deadline and we are going to lose a strong player that I'm pretty damn certain is town and I can't find good reasons on him

Pedit: all of his other post of the day has scum hunting in them. He doesn't have the time to make a case. THey are both highly likely town and Messiah has been so much stronger all game.

[Ms Marangal]

Why? if we are going to flashwagon, why Molliecat? I would much rather flashlynch Qwints or Fitz at this point. Buldermar isn't to bad avenue either

[Ms Marangal]

yes, because I believe that she's town, Mala has been pretty town in her posts to. Mollie has made it known that she finds me suspicious so unless I'm stupidly buddying my buddy that's trying to bus me, we aren't scum.

[Ms Marangal]

Qwints, Buldermar and Fitz make my top three

[Ms Marangal]

MOOOAAARRR SLANDAAR VOTES. COMEON PEOPLE, LETS MOVE IT.

[Ms Marangal]

Jal voted for Messiah apparently, then unvoted.

I also love how everyone on the Messiah wagon is dodging the "why is Messiah scum" question that he asked, and I kinda asked.

[Ms Marangal]

I never said Slandaar is scummy, ever. never ever, I have stated so many times that I have a town read on Messiah and Slandaar both, and if I had to choose between the of them, I would much rather keep Messiah. Slandaar's play today has been absolute shit, and so damn Anti-town I can't even get past the anti-townness of his posts to actually scum hunt. I have also stated that, even with the time contstraints messiah has, he more content percentage in his post then a shit load of other players here. Especially Slandaar

now tell me why Messiah is scummy.

[Ms Marangal]

or, tell me why your vote is on Messiah rather then Slandaar. why do you feel that Messiah is the better lynch?

[Ms Marangal]

But Messiah's the stronger player.

i'd rather no lynch then Lynch Messiah. if you two come back on the wagon now, Slandaar would be at L2

[Ms Marangal]

I'm not moving from the Slandaar wagon and people on the Messiah wagon should move there now.

[Ms Marangal]

also, Buldimar, why is Mollie scummy?

[Ms Marangal]

you have a meta-read on mollie, yet later you stated you don't so..

what exactly is your reason on scum molliecat?

[Ms Marangal]

Pedit:

maybe he didn't plan on not being here? who's to say he knew when and when he isn't going to have access?

Point is though, Slandaar has been playing a whole lot worse then Messiah

[Ms Marangal]

lol wut

What has buldermar done that's so scummy?

using meta that he doesn't have

has only gone against me (mollie) as scum once. you were on my team. I was lynched before he even checked in I think.

also that reaction is hhhhmmmm.....

I'm not using meta

, I'm stating that you've made a shitton of scum reads in the beginning of this game and not a single town read, and that's more often than not indicative of scum waiting it out and not getting locked into certain reads early on.

[Ms Marangal]

Mollie stated that you were using Meta that you didn't have against her, and you stated that you weren't judging her based off Meta.

[Ms Marangal]

no, I am not voting Messiah. I have been defending him for the last couple hours for a reason. you both are likely town, it's a shame to have to loose town but Messiah is the stronger player and can contribute alot more then you have.

and Buldemar, Mollie didn't start off the game so all those scum reads you saw came from Mala, not Mollie. Mollie even stated in thread that she wanted to clear her town reads with Mala before she stated any of them.

[Ms Marangal]

KoC, vote for Slandaar.

[Ms Marangal]

nevermind me then. I'm to tired to be thinking straight

[Ms Marangal]

who is Mollie talking to

and Mollie looks exactly the same to me when I played with her in Inheritance. this also isn't just mollie, it's Mala and Mollie working together. using one head to drive your read on them is pretty retarded

[Ms Marangal]

yeah, because everyone who dares to defy you must be scum Buldemar

[Ms Marangal]

God... I don't even want to deal with Slandaar's shit anymore. people need to come on and get him lynched

Pedit: Please shut up

[Ms Marangal]

and I have been trying to ignore you and you loud, and mostly baseless accusations against Mollie but that hasn't worked out very well. Go ahead and tell me some "truths" if they are the same truths that you have been telling Mollie, fabricated reads of your imagination based on the fact that you "can't be wrong" about her or "can't be wrong" about anything in general then please enlighten me.

[Ms Marangal]

Jal, I don't remember having a conversation on the scumminess of whatever was scummy. I don't rememer there being a convo about it period

[Ms Marangal]

Pedit: fuck this shit. I still prefer Messiah over Slandaar

[Ms Marangal]

and who's to say that he'll listen to that Order? He's uncooperative enough as is, I'm doubting that he will actually listen to what others say which is funny considering that he expects everyone to listen to him.

I still say Messiah over slandaar, KoC basically spelled it out, and he can use it much more efficiently then Slandaar can.

[Ms Marangal]

Molliecat is also probably town and you are probably scum

[Ms Marangal]

Yeah, I can throw that shit out there like that too

[Ms Marangal]

Switching to who? our watcher?

[Ms Marangal]

VOTE: Slandaar

I'm tired of this, Molliecat is town. they have been so pro-town yesterday I'm having trouble believe that anyone could think them as scum. that, and the fact that my a few of my top reads are voting for her... Buldemar should join so that I know for certain that she's innocent

[Ms Marangal]

Messiah isn't scum, I'm not seeing how. he is also a far more helpful person then many others in this game so...

I'd much prefer to get rid of Buldemar, qwints, and Slandaar before I get rid of him

[Ms Marangal]

Messiah isn't scum, I'm not seeing how. he is also a far more helpful person then many others in this game so...

I'd much prefer to get rid of Buldemar, qwints, and Slandaar before I get rid of him

[Ms Marangal]

I also wouldn't mind lynching Fitz

[Ms Marangal]

....

he wanted to see what Slandaar would claim first?

[Ms Marangal]

it should be common sense though IMO...

[Ms Marangal]

I also wouldn't mind lynching Fitz

You’ve made that obvious several times. Why don’t you stop dancing around the subject and make a case on me.

sure, when I figure out why exactly you bother me. I still haven't figured it out what it is exactly.

Probably have to do with your stance against PC and the fact that I can't figure out why exactly you find her to be scum, and the contentlessness of the majority of your posts.

[Ms Marangal]

what. the. actual. fuck.

Slandaar, you are amusing. sorry for calling you town yesterday, I was probably wrong in that aspect. seriously though you and Buldemar...

I still don't see how you guys can see how Molliecat and I are a viable scum team. yeah, I defended her and called her Pro-town yesterday because she was. She obviously didn't feel the same towards me.

My reads are not based on the Premise that Molliecat is town, I suspected Qwints, Buldemar/GIF, and Fitz way before you all hopped on the Molliecat wagon, and way before any of you voiced suspicion against her... well, that doesn't apply to you I guess, I want you gone because of you unhelpful attitude to town.

I also believed that AP was town, so?

you sir are experiencing confirmation Bias to the extreme.

[Ms Marangal]

... lol

[Ms Marangal]

I'm not understanding mollie... how would that work out if neither team know who's on the other one?

Mod: not sure if this will matter, but I'll be V/LA till Monday

[Ms Marangal]

no, not Messiah. Buldemar is a definte prospect for a lynch and so is Qwints. I wouldn't mind sheeping Jiffy today...

I need more time to analyze the game and find the rest of Slandaar's buddies

[Ms Marangal]

Hey now, I can be reasonable

and I forgot to mention my V/LA in here again didn't I? doesn't matter, it ends tomorrow.

I didn't make my suspicions on GIF a secret, and I didn't keep my suspicion on Buldemar on D1 either. the fact that both players in that slot pinged my scumdar hard when I wasn't even thinking of who Buldemar replaced in the first place makes me think that my suspicions on him are accurate. I'm also fairly certain that he had some interesting interactions with Slandaar somewhere in the first day, I just gotta find it.

[Ms Marangal]

good god... do people seriously still think Mollie and Mala are still scum? pleasesayno

Do I even want to read the game? :/

also, Jiffy chill I am going to place a vote but I still want to figure out who else are buddies of Slandaar.

[Ms Marangal]

but... Mac is among the weakest of my scum reads and I'm not sure of his content as I have mostly been skimming them. other then what I have stated against him the first day, he hasn't done anything to Damning I don't think

[Ms Marangal]

Buldemar, Qwints, Fitz, KoC, and mac. the first three I advocated the lynches of, and still do.

[Ms Marangal]

not that anybody listens to me but here it is

if slaandar flips scum there are 2 teams I think. there is a reason scum slaandar played a gambit like that; it was cos he thought we were on the other scum team and that he would get some cred with our lynch. too bad he misjudged and we are town! lol

wasn't it the guy that buldey replaced the one who brought up multi-ball? I bet he was giving a shout out. he soft-claimed yesterday - he and jal both did. scum know about the other due to how small there team would be. it would explain why everyone looked scummy when you count in the specials (specials always look scummy to me unless they drop a special tell which is why I hunt for them like mad).

uber guile is for sure scum omg you dummies are going to let him win again aren't you. thinking majiffy is his partner. buldey and jal are somehow all tangled up in that as well.

I think nero is town and people probably should listen to him. best post in thread is 1829. there was def scum who stayed away from the fiasco yesterday. oh and mac's post to jal was a huge slip. let me go find it.

part of me thinks PC could be scum here. I think it was Jal who floated the idea of scum talking about stuff they know as though they are guessing the set-up and I think this is what PC is doing here in the bolded. it's such a far-fetched idea. notice the use of "if Slandaar flips scum" when he's bullshitting about masonizing her,

if she's town she would know he'll flip scum but if she's on a different team, she wouldn't know.

then there's the bullshit "huge slip" I made which was a clear as day typo, that's trying to link me and Jal. Jal flipped town, does that change anything PC?

VOTE: PirateCat

did I just read this right? you have to be kidding me... that point makes no sense at all what-so-ever, jesus christ, what are you smoking?

[Ms Marangal]

Fuck Mac's Iso... I can't vote him on good conscience, I really can't find anything damning in that Iso alone.

I have a feeling that Slandaar was trying to keep his distance from his buddies so that we don't find them as easily, though just because he did doesn't mean his buddies thought the same thing.

quick look at VC analysis and I can see that Mac was solely on your wagon though Qwints, Buldemar, and Bork was on both, but Bork was also on Slandaar's. Fitz was on Mollie, though did he ever state intent to place his vote on you as well? I do know that he had a battle with Jiffy.

based on the analysis alone, I would think Qwints and Buldemar are both scum trying to push both viable counter-wagons, and Bork as well who switched to a last minute bussing effort to make himself look good. this is supported by the fact that he was one of the later people to jump onto Slandaar's wagon

[Ms Marangal]

that post is more stupid then it is Damning though Bacde

[Ms Marangal]

Qwints and Buldey? those two are the ones I'm most interested in, and a quick glance at Bork today and I'm thinking he's unlikely scum. what other scum reads do you have?

[Ms Marangal]

Viomi is ANG now? Hmm... they may be viable, though I'm going to have to take a look. I'm not seeing Angel Nero as scum either, so I would need a case on that. I'll build one on Buldemar soon

[Ms Marangal]

or... Majiffy can do it. His points on Buldy is pretty decent and probably better then what I can come up with ATM.

also consider the fact that both people who make up that slot are scummy looking.

GIF with his trying to look active and helpful, but isn't really doing anything and then Buldemar with what Jiffy just put up. He also refused to join the Slandaar wagon because "scum" was on it which, really, were guys that he didn't like

VOTE: Buldermar

[Ms Marangal]

there is also the fact that he stated that he town read both of you, yet parked his vote on the stronger player, again for reasoning stated above.

Pedit: Awe nero, I wish you a painless a surgery as possible.

[Ms Marangal]

why are you trying to deflect from the Buldey push Qwints?

[Ms Marangal]

I AM VOTING HIM GODDAMMIT

[Ms Marangal]

also, Qwints that reasoning to want to vote bacde is Terrible. Bacde is obviously not paying attention to this game and while Buldemar is saying he isn't, the things he has brought up in thread suggests that he is.

[Ms Marangal]

why are you trying to deflect from the Buldey push Qwints?

Because Buldey's likely not scum.

why?

[Ms Marangal]

The shitty memory thing is good enough evidence that he's scum. Lynch Buldemar now

[Ms Marangal]

I'm being serious, he's fighting then, when someone uses something against him he reverted to "shitty memory" as a means of owning up to his mistake.

[Ms Marangal]

can we get him after Bork? and then after Qwints?

[Ms Marangal]

I mean Buldey, not Bork >.>

[Ms Marangal]

Sure Bacde, w/e you say

[Ms Marangal]

Holy shit... that's a shit load of deaths

VOTE: Qwints

I'm feeling good about this lynch

[Ms Marangal]

good god, OMGUS much BAcde?

[Ms Marangal]

but Nah, we are lynching Qwints. SHEEP MEH

[Ms Marangal]

omfg, no. Bacde is town, and Viomi, I'm not exactly sure. what happened to the people who were sheeping me onto Qwints, Viomi come back to the wagon please

[Ms Marangal]

Bacde, come onto Qwints, Majiffy is town. Viomi, Unsure but Majiffy is town

[Ms Marangal]

Fucking Hell Majiffy, Bacde is town. place your vote on scummy Qwints


PEdit: fuck no..

[Ms Marangal]

Why do you think Jiffy is mafia?

Pedit:

[Ms Marangal]

HEY GUYS

here's an idea, instead of having town fight, why don't we lynch someone who has tried to deflect the Slandaar wagon the first day. hasn't done much the second day, and is absent to day entirely. he goes by the name of Qwints.

Bacde, you are retarded if you expect Majiffy to know that you're town. further more for him to expect that Buldemar was town, because guess what? Molliecat thought he was scum, I thought he was scum and so did a few others which is why he was lynched. get over it and lynch Qwints

[Ms Marangal]

No Jiffy, I already sheeped you, it's time for you to sheep me!

[Ms Marangal]

and Bacde is retardedly town

[Ms Marangal]

I have been talking about him the entire damn game Dammit. Qwints is scum, Jiffy is not. stop arguing with him and get onto the scum wagon

Pedit: YAY!!

[Ms Marangal]

Viomi come back to the Qwints wagon please?

[Ms Marangal]

Says the self-admitted retard.

I never said that

and Bacde is

retardedly town

absolutely correct on both words

LOLOL

[Ms Marangal]

I don't find that to entirely likely... noob scum (assuming he is one) tend to either bus or buddy their partners. hardly do they do both

[Ms Marangal]

lolol, Maybe but I really am thinking Bacde is Obv town.

Pedit: really?

[Ms Marangal]

Maybe it's his Aura then? IDK

[Ms Marangal]

Yes, I want qwints to die today

also, where the fuck is everyone?

[Ms Marangal]

lol Jiffy

and yes, I want you to vote Qwints but I want to see a vote count before you do and I want to see his defense. it's been a couple days since the wagon as started but he has yet to show up.

[Ms Marangal]

V/LA till wedneday

[Ms Marangal]

I'll gladly wait for Uberguille to show up with some reads, however I do still find qwints scum, and the fact that he hasn't done much at all this game, continues to do so, and has some damning associations makes him a more then decent enough lynch.

[Ms Marangal]

No Jiffy, come back!!!

Qwints is getting lynched after Uber gets his reads done... hopefully

and Qwints is scum based on terrible interactions when he did interact, not just because of his active lurking.

[Ms Marangal]

can someone explain to me how rage-quitting is a scumtell?

[Ms Marangal]

or, it's a person who's irritated that someone comes in and calls them scum for no good reason, is irritated by said player and doesn't want to play with said player or work with them?