Gears of War Mafia - ( Game Over! )

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VOTE: GuyInFreezer

Street fighter is amazing.

And who stole the role of Cole?

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Wait, what? You're calling him town based on that?

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Seems more likely for town to do that than for scum (who would already know) to do that.

I found it quite the opposite if I'm honest, scum questioning what scum would be to appear more town.

Pedit: Yeah I know, I glossed over the ninja posts by accident.

[Mac]

I kind of like that Fitz vote.

@Mac: Ok, but if scum are doing it to appear more town then you are admitting that it is something town is also likely to do. Ergo, its a null tell. So why would he be scummy for it exactly?

I don't think town would make that posts though. I think it's pretty obvious Locust's are the bad guys from the flavor.

[Mac]

I kind of like that Fitz vote.

@Mac: Ok, but if scum are doing it to appear more town then you are admitting that it is something town is also likely to do. Ergo, its a null tell. So why would he be scummy for it exactly?

I don't think town would make that posts though. I think it's pretty obvious Locust's are the bad guys from the flavor.

Why not just say that from the start?

It was what I was getting at, I just took a while to get there.

[Mac]

I kind of like that Fitz vote.

@Mac: Ok, but if scum are doing it to appear more town then you are admitting that it is something town is also likely to do. Ergo, its a null tell. So why would he be scummy for it exactly?

I don't think town would make that posts though. I think it's pretty obvious Locust's are the bad guys from the flavor.

Mac is a gut feel, not super strong really. But I liked this post. Hes taking a fairly hard stance on this point and locking himself into a scumread on someone over something fairly minor. Just came off a bit strong to be from scum so early.

Except his vote on GIF was RVS and then later he has a reason to call GIF scum but it was brought up by someone else. Distancing maybe?

I don't understand this post. Can you explain that a bit more for me? /slow

[Mac]

If you are going to use a hydra, please use the right account instead of confusing the fuck out of me. Thanks

[Mac]

Hey, I just realised that I've completely disregarded some pressure towards me because I asked bork why GIF is town.

I'm not sure how Nero has come to the conclusion that me and ANG will be partners should he flip scum. I mean, really? I asked why bork called GIF town based on #33 (and glossed over ninja posts in the process) and then thought, if anything, it was more likely to be a scum move.

Anyway, Ms. Marangal looks really strange for her interactions with The Goat a couple of pages back. I thought TG was pretty clearly joking around and it was taken literally. Looked like she was trying to form a case on Goat out of nothing to me.

VOTE: Ms. Marangal

[Mac]

why am I nullscum, because I voted you?

[Mac]

following the tides yet the only one with a vote on you?

My reason was you made something out of a nothing post from Goat. #286 is a ridiculous reaction.

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I should really start quoting.

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286...

oh yeah, what about that reaction is ridiculous? and yes, you are following tides, you may be the only person to vote on me however there are already several others already tagging me as scum.

uhhh

"Hey Majiffy, are you scum??"

"Don't be some anti-town Goat, that technique doesn't work!!!!!"

(x2 - #268 and #286)

I don't think I've ever seen such a joke post taken so seriously ever. You accuse him of trying to "manipulate" the answer out of Majiffy which is just rubbish.

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Really?

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I though the sales technique sentence sold it as a joke and then you made it into a bit of a case for no real reason. Especially considering Majiffy brushed it off?

[Mac]

I find her pushing it despite Majiffy ignoring it a bit scummy, yes.

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Thegoat, what do you think of AN's case on mac, and why aren't you on that wagon?

I'm assuming you're referring to his early read on Mac's overreaction to Bork's post. I saw it similarly. I am not on that wagon because I don't feel as strongly about that as I do about KoC being scum.

I'll be phone posting for the rest of the day as I can; may check in very late. Apparently my workplace's Websense filter dislikes Mafiascum.net.

It wasn't really an over reaction though, it was me pondering bork's opinion and offering my own. I actually missed out a couple of words meaning it looked like I was accusing GIF of being scum. I would never class him as scum straight off the bat from that, but his question would be, in my eyes,

more likely

to come from scum than town.

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Thegoat, what do you think of AN's case on mac, and why aren't you on that wagon?

I'm assuming you're referring to his early read on Mac's overreaction to Bork's post. I saw it similarly. I am not on that wagon because I don't feel as strongly about that as I do about KoC being scum.

I'll be phone posting for the rest of the day as I can; may check in very late. Apparently my workplace's Websense filter dislikes Mafiascum.net.

It wasn't really an over reaction though, it was me pondering bork's opinion and offering my own.

I actually missed out a couple of words meaning it looked like I was accusing GIF of being scum

. I would never class him as scum straight off the bat from that, but his question would be, in my eyes,

more likely

to come from scum than town.

This post makes me feel worse about you, not better. Can you unpack the bolded part for me? Pretend that I'm not only stupid, but also uncaffeinated.

Okay, my post:

Seems more likely for town to do that than for scum (who would already know) to do that.

I found it quite the opposite if I'm honest, scum questioning what scum would be to appear more town.

Pedit: Yeah I know, I glossed over the ninja posts by accident.

It

should've

said "more likely scum questioning what scum would be to appear more town."

It was not intended to be a direct accusation of GIF being scum on page two, more a scumread - hence why it hasn't been pushed, which is the base of Nero's case against me being scum. Hence my confusion of why there's a case on me (which, by the way, I can understand now.) It wasn't intended to be taken as "GIF IS SCUM LYNCH!!!" or else I would've pushed it harder.

And it is also pure coincidence GIF happened to be my RVS.

UNVOTE:

[Mac]

PgV - my vote was on Ms Marangal. I unvoted following her soft claim shit because I don't what to make of it right now.

[Mac]

Why am I on your scum pile Ms?

[Mac]

Mac, it's mostly PoE, and the fact that I feel that the quietest people are probably scum.

KoC is still scummier then you though, and so is GIF.

I feel that GIF is trying to keep from saying anything to productive, and KoC is trying to be productive to hide his scumminess.

just a quick question here: you have went through everyone and, by PoE, found me to be scum? this makes no sense.

you call me quiet and yet there are loads less quiet than me. you have a weak as fuck reason for calling me scum here. I'm glad you aren't pushing it.

not sure about KoC, but I kinda agree with you about GIF. the locust thing early on also sticks out in my mind too. there's another reason that I'd rather not say too

VOTE: GuyInFreezer

[Mac]

@Mac: Why would you hide that "another reason" ?

From scum.

[Mac]

ISO Ms. Marangal's posts GIF, and you'll see why I voted you and why you shouldn't be voting Ms. M right now.

[Mac]

So me voting Ms.M is part of the reason that you voted me?

yes, but clearly you haven't looked back yet. do it.

[Mac]

I don't think I agree with AP saying bork's reads seem forced. If he had just said "these people are townreads, these people are scumreads and these are null" you'd have people questioning why x is a townread, why is y a scumread, why do you consider z as null when they said this, that and the next thing. It REALLY nitpicky from AP and I'm not sure where he's going with the accusation.

Although, granted, if he does that he shouldn't be saying he forgets why I'm town.

[Mac]

#1062 is actually quite a good point by Slan: molliekittens can you explain please?

[Mac]

also @ messiah

what do you think about the exchanges between marangala and goat boy.

let me explain what I was seeing:

to me it looked like goat boy was a deer caught in headlights by a scummate whom he thought was being dumb. he was all ready to go after her but then she soft claimed and then he was like wtf. and he has been playing the "I don't know what is going on can you teach me how to iso posts again?" ever since. it has been the scummiest exchange the entire game IMO. (mollie's)

what do you think about that. am I being reading too much into it or is there something there.

hello, can I input my opinion?

I find Ms M's soft claim a bit bullshit, her post says "of course you want me gone" as though she expects Goat to know her role and he's actively pushing to get her lynch.

I'm not sure what to make of it.

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question mollie: why did you refer to Slandaar as "not as good as you think you are" and then "clear-headed, logical minded Slandaar" ?

AP: Ms M has soft claimed some sort of enabler in an argument with the goat pages ago. it looks shit if you ask me.

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qwints what the hell was that post?

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I'm not liking Mac either though he's been as active as he could be IMO and what of his post he has made, it contributes to the game somewhat.

hey, question, how do you know how active I can be in a game?

[Mac]

I see, I also like slandaar for town at the moment. I'm not sure I agree with a CN-Messiah scum team though but I find Cryo more likely to be scum than Messiah for now.

VOTE: Cryo

still not sure on Ms. M and her soft claim. And I'm concerned by the lack of activity from Colonel Guile too, 2 normally active and strong users there aren't they?

[Mac]

Mac I went through your ISO: Where is this Cyro vote coming from? Can you point to where you've spoken about them before?

I haven't. There's a lot of people I haven't spoken about yet.

But I like Slandaar for town. And lately, Cryo's been getting town feelings from Slandaar and yet still has a vote there. Plus, like I said, out of the 1v1 shit with Messiah, I find Cryo more likely to be scummy for it contrary to qwints saying they are both scum.

[Mac]

and Mac, no I don't

why did you say that then?

[Mac]

Mac, I don't know how active you can be in a game, though I do no I get strong as fuck TvT vibes from those who are actually active, hence me going after quieter ones. I did say that, even though you were quiet, you were putting up content when you needed to.

I like the messiah wagon less then the Slandaar wagon dammit...

lets go after Qwints, and did Jiffy call me Mala?

I'm not disputing your TvT vibes from active people (well, actually, I do, but not right now) but more the fact that you said "I'm being as active as I can be" when in fact, you don't know that.

I want to vote you.

[Mac]

#664 AP.

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es, it is, actually.

Stop dodging the question and answer it.

Nope. It isn't. If you actually cared, you would do some research. We both know you don't give a shit though, and my answering a stupid question would serve nothing more than for you to make for another pathetic "jab" at me.

Wah.

@Mac

Hey Macaroon, Why are you only considering voting between those two? Also, you've never said that about Cyro and Messiah. If I am wrong, please correct me.

Hi Jal!!

I hadn't actually referenced Cryo/Messiah prior to that post, but the arguments Slandaar made were pretty good. Anyway, I was pretty much voting to save Slandaar because I feel he's town.
VOTE: Messiah because Cryo is going nowhere.

[Mac]

If Marangal is town, Mac is very very town. Could be scum together, but don't want to think about that right now. Could someone point me to the post Marangal soft claimed in? Would appreciate.

i do not understand this post by the way. what makes ms. M being town me very very town?

[Mac]

Hi Jal!!

I hadn't actually referenced Cryo/Messiah prior to that post, but the arguments Slandaar made were pretty good. Anyway, I was pretty much voting to save Slandaar because I feel he's town.
VOTE: Messiah because Cryo is going nowhere.

How would putting a second vote on Cyro vs Messiah at the time save Slaandar? Also, why the sudden vote change? It's been two hours since you first voted for Cyro. What the hell do you expect to happen within that time?

Nothing but the Cryo wagon is more than likely dead and Messiah has picked a few up since then.

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S'ok. I just wanted to see if you would post.

I don't think pushing Mrs M is that unpopular. No one has been giving crap to others about it, except for Mac himself. He sort of goes in-between respecting and acknowledging her claim, telling GIF why he shouldn't vote her (her claim), then calling her claim shit.

What?

You know, I can call her claim shit all I want because of the way she soft claimed it and my personal stance on it: that doesn't mean I'm going to risk voting/lynching a PR. And I don't think anyone should be voting her yet, hence I told GIF to unvote her. Plus I think he just skipped by it without realising.

I think you also asked for my scumreads too. Here:

Ms. M I'm obviously a bit suspect about. PC made a good point about the exchange between her and The Goat looking forced too, and reading back, I kinda agree with her too. So The Goat too.

I found GIF suspicious too for his flavor questioning early on, but I can't say Buldemar has continued this because I haven't really seen anything he's posted.

Uber/guile hydra is quiet. Too quiet. And Viomi has replaced in and posted absolutely zero content in her posts so far.

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Good point about AN there. I believe guile is V/LA at the moment leaving Uber, and Uber seemed to be super excited to be in this during sign-ups so I'm not sure exactly what is happening there.

[Mac]

Can we please all agree on a compromise of lynching havingfitz?

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Seems to be mixed amounts of people reading town or scum on Slandaar at the moment. Now I don't know anything about people's reads of fitz at the moment, but all it takes is a quick ISO to see he's not really posted anything substantial. Would prefer him over Messiah right now. But more people need to agree.

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why this day hasn't ended yet. oh people..scum just dragging this day!!!

AA

> Wants this day to end
> Vote is on a pretty much dead wagon

Logic doesn't fit. You are dragging the day out yourself.

[Mac]

Slandaar is doing his town-tunnel thing in which he tunnels obsessively against someone he's got a scum read on. I've seen it work pretty well. While he has played similarly as scum, he tends to be more all out as town.

This, a million times over.

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I don't like that Messiah promised to be here then set V/LA status without announcing in thread. How long does it take to write a post saying V/LA til x for y reason?

I had been V/LA already for two or three days at the time of that post. I'm still V/LA. I'm not going to abandon this game completely at deadline, that's all. I'll be here to claim or switch my vote if necessary.

Baffled. Won't contribute but you'll keep up enough to claim if necessary and vote if you have too?

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I'd be up for a Mac or Qwints vote.

You listed Messiah as a scumread not long back and as soon as someone objects to his lynch, you throw the idea of me or qwints, both of whom have zero votes. What's the reasoning behind that?

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I haven't mentioned your V/LA, I just said it was pretty shit that you could only vote if you needed and claim.

[Mac]

How is Slandaar blatantly scummy?

[Mac]

I find Slandaar to be pretty town at the moment.

Plus Messiah might as well have posted "fuck this, I'll vote if I have to and claim if I need to" a few pages back.

That's

anti-town.

[Mac]

Because he isn't even trying to scumhunt in his defence? Because he's just shutting up and just choosing Slandaar? He isn't even making the effort to show people why he's town and Slandaar's scum. Instead, we get a post "LOL SLANDAAR IS SCUM LOOK AT THIS COUNTERWAGON!!!!" No shit about the claiming thing. But to shut up shop and post nothing other than a claim if needed is anti-town.

You know, Slandaar still has his vote on PC. He hasn't given it up yet. In fact, he still made a fucking case against her despite numerous people saying "it's Slandaar or Messiah" and the deadline being tomorrow. Slandaar is probably town.

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Ms M - who are your scum reads at the moment?

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I'd be up for a Mac or Qwints vote.

You listed Messiah as a scumread not long back and as soon as someone objects to his lynch, you throw the idea of me or qwints, both of whom have zero votes. What's the reasoning behind that?

You have 4 hours to show me this until I run your lynch into the ground. Where is my scum read? Anyone with a brain can realize I am not voting Slaandaar because I think he's town. You and Qwints are highlighting suspicion on me for shit reasoning.

One of these two at the very least know Messiah is town trying to play off what the impact will be. Both of these two gave fucking shitty reasoning "I WANT TO SAVE SLAANDAAR" and Qeints, "AP IS TOWN LOLOLOLOLOLOL VOTE MESSIAH LOLOL" then they start getting bitchy about *my* vote when I bring them up. Well golly gee.

What's that? Scum can bus? What's that, I can have different scum reads that may not be cnnected or I am just trying to place my vote on the person who isn't a town read of mine? What's that? You two are bullshitting? Oh, no surprise.

lol, maybe you should just chill out instead of overreacting about it. I asked you a simple question and you go and flip out about it. And didn't even answer it.

I'm not even trying to highlight suspicion on you, but you vote Messiah because you feel Slandaar is town, correct? You also list him in a list of scum, correct? And then you flirt with the idea of me or qwints DESPITE no votes on either of us (if I recall correctly) and then you get overly aggressive because I DARE QUESTION YOUR POSSIBLE VOTE!!!! Of course I'm going to question it, you can think your scum all you like but you've had days to decide whether or not to vote me/qwints and NOW you start toying with the idea of another wagon?

Welcome to the "Slandaar is likely town" group, there's a few of us here, by the way.

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How the fuck have my reading skills failed me when you quoted my post?!

Yeah, I'm totally misrepping you wrt to Messiah being on your scum list because you were talking about AN's list. That's my bad. I'm going to re-read this in the morning, but the basis of my point is you've left this horrifically late to start a counterwagon.

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Also Mac, I see you checking out these forus over the night and not saying crap all.

I'm at work and viewing on my phone.

UNVOTE: while I figure shit out in an hour.

What do you want me to say Jal?

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Messiah, why did you feel the need to hold that back until now?

[Mac]

Yeah, seriously. Answer.

[Mac]

....

he wanted to see what Slandaar would claim first?

lol what? slandaar's first post was his results. Messiah held his back.

[Mac]

I thought the second kill indicated a SK as it specifically mentioned a Kantus priest and sticking a knife in the back of Adam Fenix.

[Mac]

Yeah, that's what confused me.

Mastin claimed miller meaning it made no sense for any scum team to kill him: there must be a SK to me. Under the flavour of Kantus priest.

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Jal that is such a shit post wrt me inventing shit as scum. Evidently you have no idea about Gears of War because most, if not all of them, don't have knives iirc.

Hence it's a likely serial killer. Why would any scum kill off mastin the 'miller' ?

[Mac]

Fuck I forgot flavor wasn't relevant. Will post more when I'm home and answer your questions

[Mac]

lolwat.

Should've read I'm. Simple.

[Mac]

not that anybody listens to me but here it is

if slaandar flips scum there are 2 teams I think. there is a reason scum slaandar played a gambit like that; it was cos he thought we were on the other scum team and that he would get some cred with our lynch. too bad he misjudged and we are town! lol

wasn't it the guy that buldey replaced the one who brought up multi-ball? I bet he was giving a shout out. he soft-claimed yesterday - he and jal both did. scum know about the other due to how small there team would be. it would explain why everyone looked scummy when you count in the specials (specials always look scummy to me unless they drop a special tell which is why I hunt for them like mad).

uber guile is for sure scum omg you dummies are going to let him win again aren't you. thinking majiffy is his partner. buldey and jal are somehow all tangled up in that as well.

I think nero is town and people probably should listen to him. best post in thread is 1829. there was def scum who stayed away from the fiasco yesterday. oh and mac's post to jal was a huge slip. let me go find it.

part of me thinks PC could be scum here. I think it was Jal who floated the idea of scum talking about stuff they know as though they are guessing the set-up and I think this is what PC is doing here in the bolded. it's such a far-fetched idea. notice the use of "if Slandaar flips scum" when he's bullshitting about masonizing her, if she's town she would know he'll flip scum but if she's on a different team, she wouldn't know.

then there's the bullshit "huge slip" I made which was a clear as day typo, that's trying to link me and Jal. Jal flipped town, does that change anything PC?

VOTE: PirateCat

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lol. didn't even try to discredit you Messiah, just asked why you felt the need to hold them back.

buldemar, can you ever think for yourself mate?

[Mac]

I'd like to lynch Mac. Pretty sure he's scum.

vote: Mac

He was one of the people that shitvoted me to counter the D1 Slandaar wagon, he lurked noticeably (his name being displayed on the bottom as browsing 3-4 times that I saw) during the period of time that Slandaar claimed to receive a negative result on PirateCat and conveniently avoided taking any sides, and then he posted IMMEDIATELY after I outed my watcher result and tried to discredit me for holding the result back.

This is pretty obvious.

1) I along with many others thought Slandaar was town. I also voted Cryo because I found him a better vote but that didn't take off.

2) yeah because waiting for both results is just a MASSIVE scumtell, isn't it? Are you saying that I was scummy for not voting PC?

3) I didn't discredit you, just questioned what the point in waiting til a PC wagon was forming before outing your results.

This wagon is shit.

[Mac]

UNVOTE:

Evidence points to PC being town despite her flip flopping around on me a bit.

I think good votes are Viomi, AN or havingfitz. moreso the first two than fitz.

[Mac]

...because of the chance of 2 scum teams? or have we just completely forgotten about that? I know there was only one kill n2 but surely that's hinting at doc protection of some sort?

it begs the question: why would Slandaar (scum) tunnel so fucking hard on townPC if he didn't suspect that a) there was another scum team and b) PC was scum? and then fakeclaim some shit that put PC is jeopardy until Messiah disproved it. Slandaar, as much as his cases may not make sense, is not an idiot.

@Messiah: I read back, there are more scummier people. I still have doubts about them though.

Viomi has offered absolutely zero content in her posts so far. The only town like thing she has done was vote Slandaar. Which makes me lean towards an AN vote.

VOTE: AN

[Mac]

Is anyone else feeling how terrible Mac's unvote of PC is? And that he didn't even put a vote on anyone else until a little later? I feel like I'm in some bizzarro universe.

Mac, you were suspicious of PC because of the 2 scum team thing, and you're suspicious of Viomi because of the lack of content? Do you have any real scumreads based on anything substantial?

and you're suspicious of me because... Oh wait. I tore it apart and you ignored it.

Are you missing the part where I vote AN? Because that's a pretty substantial scumread.

[Mac]

...because of the chance of 2 scum teams? or have we just completely forgotten about that? I know there was only one kill n2 but surely that's hinting at doc protection of some sort?

it begs the question: why would Slandaar (scum) tunnel so fucking hard on townPC if he didn't suspect that a) there was another scum team and b) PC was scum? and then fakeclaim some shit that put PC is jeopardy until Messiah disproved it. Slandaar, as much as his cases may not make sense, is not an idiot.

@Messiah: I read back, there are more scummier people. I still have doubts about them though.

Viomi has offered absolutely zero content in her posts so far. The only town like thing she has done was vote Slandaar. Which makes me lean towards an AN vote.

VOTE: AN

amazing...

this is what I said at the end of d2 and yet you still came into the game and voted us! lol

Yeah but you also tried to set me up for being lynched. You picked up on a typo that suggested me and Jal were scum on different teams trying to work together which was bullshit.

you two seriously need to get your heads together. Mollie comes in with suggestions for multi-ball and then Mala says "Slandaar tunnelled us, we are definitely town."

[Mac]

Is anyone else feeling how terrible Mac's unvote of PC is? And that he didn't even put a vote on anyone else until a little later? I feel like I'm in some bizzarro universe.

Mac, you were suspicious of PC because of the 2 scum team thing, and you're suspicious of Viomi because of the lack of content? Do you have any real scumreads based on anything substantial?

and you're suspicious of me because... Oh wait. I tore it apart and you ignored it.

Are you missing the part where I vote AN? Because that's a pretty substantial scumread.

I ignored it because it was bullshit, you keep doing scummier and scummier things so I always have something fresh to comment on. You've never explained your AN read as far as I can tell, and I summed up the two that I know you've explained. Feel free to tell us why AN is a substantial scumread.

Prove it's bullshit instead of just saying that and hope people will believe you.

#1457

^ That's where my suspicions begin and then they stay on PC for the day 2 lynch. Despite your claim. They started off posting heavy and now very rarely contribute at all.

[Mac]

Still believe Mac is scum. He's freaking out over the current wagon forming on him.

I do also like Bacade or whatever for scum too. Two good choices I'm opening to lynching atm.

How am I freaking out?

[Mac]

Jesus. Why don't we lynch Viomi who has contributed zero to the game?

VOTE: Viomi

[Mac]

Hint: it's not working.

What are your reads?

[Mac]

I saw no one visit Bacde.

I'm fiercely torn between my desire to lynch Mac for being scum and my desire to lynch Viomi for being an out-and-out troll.

lol well I'm not scum for one.

I made a case for AN yesterday which you ignored, and then you said was a valid point if I recall correctly. You ignored the part where I explained why your case on me was wrong again "because it was bullshit."

Maybe you should stop ignoring the points I make and see that I am town?

[Mac]

Mac can call it an OMGUS if it makes him feel better but there was no point in him voting me yesterday. I’ll admit the both me and Angel have been somewhat inactive this game, with us being inactive, him not pushing us, this looks like a “safe” vote.

His sudden switch from us to Viomi makes no sense really.

We also get this lil' blurb from confirmed scum Bork.

I'm actually partially on board with the Mac thing and I wanna know why AP thinks he's town.

Dunno if Bork would react this way to pressure on his buddy or not

Sudden switch?

...because of the chance of 2 scum teams? or have we just completely forgotten about that? I know there was only one kill n2 but surely that's hinting at doc protection of some sort?

it begs the question: why would Slandaar (scum) tunnel so fucking hard on townPC if he didn't suspect that a) there was another scum team and b) PC was scum? and then fakeclaim some shit that put PC is jeopardy until Messiah disproved it. Slandaar, as much as his cases may not make sense, is not an idiot.

@Messiah: I read back, there are more scummier people. I still have doubts about them though.

Viomi has offered absolutely zero content in her posts so far. The only town like thing she has done was vote Slandaar. Which makes me lean towards an AN vote.

and talk about scraping the barrel for a reason to find me scummy - bork asking people why I'm town? lol. you're better than this nero.

[Mac]

Maybe I am a bad player, that doesn't make me scum though. You're suffering from tunnelvision.

[Mac]

Viomi's (continually) shit posting today.

[Mac]

I clearly explained in 2167 I chose you because Viomi was on the Slandaar wagon. Now that there are two teams, I'm happy with lynching either of you at this point. I also clearly explained in my vote-post that she'd still offered ZERO to the game. And now, I'm telling you she still has offered zero to the game.

Nice try, though.

[Mac]

@ Mod

- going to have limited access for a couple of days.

[Mac]

[quote="In post 2602, Messiah"]Mac isn't doing my read on him any favors by ignoring his prod and inning for new games.[/quote

yeah that's my bad, my bad.

I did have limited access and only posting from my phone and didn't want to commit to posting when I couldn't catch up; I also PM'd the mod explaining.

I'm about to catchup now.

[Mac]

Mac, qwints, and Messiah:
Compiled cases on why you think I'm scum please?

If you ISO yourself up until recent posts, you're contribution was zero and the only thing that stopped me voting for you D3 was your vote on Slandaar; the emergence of two teams means that it wasn't likely bussing and you are probably on the other team.

And I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned (I can't remember if I made a point of posting before going V/LA) but your excuse for active lurking was just terrible. You've been lynched for being too active in other games? I don't believe it.

If you can link me to any games where you have been lynched for being too active, that would help.

[Mac]

Hey I'm here. lol @bacde's delayed OMGUS.

Viomi, your slot has been useless. That's the case.

What have you done that's been any use?

I could probably lynch qwints today if Viomi doesn't happen, and I wouldn't mind lynching AN either.

[Mac]

People are waiting for the aforementioned lurkers to respond to shit/post at all. So the game slowly dies off because those players have no intention of actually contributing.

Considering that I only joined 'cause Angel wanted to play but she's left me high and dry, that this game is full of trolls and that I've pointed out there is scum in MS + Mac (maybe Jiffy) but no one is listening....I just don't have very much motivation.

I'm not a big fan of the Qwints wagon 'cause he always plays like this regardless.

Likewise, Viomi is a professional troll alt so she seems like an ez wagon to push as well.

You do not have a case against me. At all.

Sorry for all the posts!

[Mac]

Well I'm glad you we agree on something.

[Mac]

VOTE: AN

Viomi has contributed a bit more since she was pressured. Still waiting for something other than "Mac and MS are scum!" from Nero.

Not sure about a qwints lynch: is this because he's active lurking? If someone could summarize why qwints is scum, that would be a great help.

[Mac]

All you need to do to get on this lynch is look at this:

hrmmm..I had thought it was funny that Ma Jiffy wasn't defending the fuck out of his girl.

KOC, the Piratecat slot is scum 'cause they are accusing Slandaar of lying but not voting it.

vote:Piratecat

To me, I read this as "let's find more reasons to support Slandaar's bullshit claim" and at the same time not be associated with Slandaar.

[Mac]

I like you Majiffy.

FOLLOW THE FLOWCHART!*

*thisdoesnotadvocatetheusageoftheflowchartbutinsteadthelynchingofAN

[Mac]

Beeeecause I'm not town? Because you probably deserve to be lynched?

[Mac]

Quite obviously should read scum.

[Mac]

Or, ya know, I'm town. Whichever one.

[Mac]

Well I'm obviously going to be biased because I

know

why you shouldn't suspect me; maybe you should ask the Colonel or Bacde.

p-edit; whichever one makes me feel less stupid!

[Mac]

VOTE: Majiffy

[Mac]

UNVOTE:

Majiffy made a thread about this so I think he's annoyed in general and not scum-annoyed.

[Mac]

VOTE: AN

Back to this then

[Mac]

I could also see a Mac/Guile team tbh

I can see Guile being scum buddying me.

Could probably lynch him or nero who still just screams at everyone to vote me without actually proving a reason to do it.

[Mac]

lol your case sucks Nero.

1) I said that I had worded wrongly and never intended to push GiF for something so small.

2) that little out-of-context quote you've found was regarding Ms M's softclaim despite my contending of it at the time; you've conveniently missed out the next post where I say I'm hiding it from scum.

3) your case didnt and still doesnt hold any water. Even when I asked, you continually ignored my asking for one instead repeatedly screaming 'lol obvscum' hoping anyone would buy it.

4) you can have my scumreads when I'm not at work. I expect yours in return.

[Mac]

Here's why your case is shit Nero, and why you should probably try and get someone else lynched. It's not hard to take a bunch of out-of-context quotes and make a case and said "LOL OBVSCUM."

Seems more likely for town to do that than for scum (who would already know) to do that.

Seems

more likely

for town to do that than for scum (who would already know) to do that.

I found it quite the opposite if I'm honest,

*more likely*

scum questioning what scum would be to appear more town.

Pedit: Yeah I know, I glossed over the ninja posts by accident.

Missed out a couple of words. SUE ME Why the fucking fuck would I lock into a scumread of page two. Somewhere in your ISO there is a quote saying my vote/'scumread' on GiF was distancing scum which is cleaaaarly bullshit because GiF/buldermar flipped town; instead, you decided to say that is was me and bork who are the scum since bork is confscum.

I kind of like that Fitz vote.

@Mac: Ok, but if scum are doing it to appear more town then you are admitting that it is something town is also likely to do. Ergo, its a null tell. So why would he be scummy for it exactly?

I kind of like that Fitz vote.

@Mac: Ok, but if scum are doing it to appear more town then you are admitting that it is something town is also likely to do. Ergo, its a null tell. So why would he be scummy for it exactly?

I don't think town would make that posts though. I think it's pretty obvious Locust's are the bad guys from the flavor.

So here in out-of-contexts-quotes-from-Neroville he says I'm saying GiF is scum because town wouldn't make that kind of posts. WRONG. on two different levels. Level one; AP says town would make those posts too based on my reasoning. I say I don't think they would because Locust's are obvscum in the game. Level two;

"I don't think"

- not "town wouldn't make those posts, GIF IS SCUM!" as Nero is probably trying to paint this as.

Hey, I just realised that I've completely disregarded some pressure towards me because I asked bork why GIF is town.

I'm not sure how Nero has come to the conclusion that me and ANG will be partners should he flip scum. I mean, really? I asked why bork called GIF town based on #33 (and glossed over ninja posts in the process) and then thought, if anything, it was more likely to be a scum move.

See quote three: more likely to be a scum move. As opposed to a town move that bork was calling it. NOT "omgscumlynch."

2. More context, yay

Mac, it's mostly PoE, and the fact that I feel that the quietest people are probably scum.

KoC is still scummier then you though, and so is GIF.

I feel that GIF is trying to keep from saying anything to productive, and KoC is trying to be productive to hide his scumminess.

just a quick question here: you have went through everyone and, by PoE, found me to be scum? this makes no sense.

you call me quiet and yet there are loads less quiet than me. you have a weak as fuck reason for calling me scum here. I'm glad you aren't pushing it.

not sure about KoC, but I kinda agree with you about GIF. the locust thing early on also sticks out in my mind too. there's another reason that I'd rather not say too

VOTE: GuyInFreezer

@Mac: Why would you hide that "another reason" ?

From scum.

ISO Ms. Marangal's posts GIF, and you'll see why I voted you and why you shouldn't be voting Ms. M right now.

Ms. M softclaims
GIF votes her despite this
I vote GIF for this; he admits skimreading and not noticing.

Hey that wasn't hard. That's why I voted GiF and this is why it has everything to do with Ms. M. None of this "lol slipped the other team" shit you're pulling from your ass.

3. Yeah but I explained the part of the case and why it was a mistake on mine and yours and you continued to push for my lynch. I wanted to see more reasoning but as it happens, it's still shit. The last bunch of posts from you have revolved around me and maybe,

just maybe

, you should think about how bad your case is and who is actually scum in this game.

Read posts #52, #107 (seems unaligned with bork) and #2455 (seems town-motivated) for starters.

cool beans. You know there's two scum teams, right? Ok so you've (in your mind) cleared him from one team...so why don't you think he could be a member of the other team? Are you red scum and know that he's not on your team/he's on your team and you're defending him? 'Cause that's kind of what it sounds like to me.

+ I think 107 might actually be a link to Bork scum. Like lets say if I got lynched, my town flip would show them (the players) that my reads were genuine. If a player were smart enough to go back and look at my reads and they saw Mac was a scum read.

For why Mac is a scum read for me. I think that he heavily implied that GIF was a scum read early on and then kinda backtracks when he says "oh but if I really though he was scum I would have pushed he/she/it." Which I think is a load of bullshit 'cause if he was scum then of course he wouldn't push hard unless he had considerable support.

Then in 903 he's back harping on the GIF/locust thing. There's also this.

there's another reason that I'd rather not say too

Which maybe him knowing that there were two teams and he thought that GIF slipped one team.

AND now, despite the fact that I've been calling him scum since day 1 AND knew why I thought he was scummy/what [part of] the case on him was he's all the sudden yelling that I have no case on him. So why did he not really seem to care much about my scumread on him to suddenly pissing blood? The way it looks to me is that, the game is getting smaller and there's not as many players he can kick a mislynch too, so I could see a scummer, with one man down with not as much mislynch bait around him, being worried.

Why not go ahead and gimmie your top 4 scum reads and why.

Yawn. Going to address the one part of your post which I actually care about here. You think scumBork would ask people for reasons why scumbuddyMac is town? Yeah right. He'd shut up and let them think that. Fortunately, I am not scum.

Tl;dr: This hydra is likely red scum. You heard it here first.

[Mac]

Just ISO Nero:

No mentions of bork/Mac team, but GIF/Mac - he tries to play off early posts as distancing. Buldermar (GIF) flips town and bork confscum at night and suddenly he starts trying to link me & bork through some rubbish quote bork said.

[Mac]

why you should probably try and get someone else lynched.

Why only probably?

Because I don't know if you are capable of considering someone else could be scum and I am not.

Why the fucking fuck would I lock into a scumread of page two.

Why wouldn’t you? Someone says or does something suspicious/scummy, why does it matter what page its on?

Right. But so early on in the game? Behave.

Also

It was not intended to be a direct accusation of GIF being scum on page two, more a

scumread

But I also don’t see a difference between “I have a scumread on this slot” and “I’m scum reading them but not calling them scum.’ FFS!!! In my mind scumread=scum accusation and this whole “I have a scum read on this slot but...but...I’m not ready to commit" looks like a fence sitter. And for someone that you supposedly weren’t calling scum you were quick to hop back on it in 905.

what a load of shit, seriously. scumread does not equal scum. People can act scummy and still be town, ya know? If we locked our scumreads as being scum straight away then we would have mislynches everywhere and scum would win the game easy enough.

Somewhere in your ISO there is a quote saying my vote/'scumread' on GiF was distancing scum which is cleaaaarly bullshit because GiF/buldermar flipped town; instead, you decided to say that is was me and bork who are the scum since bork is confscum.

Of course it’s “bullshit” ‘cause his slot is flipped town. Sometimes scum do RVS their buddies and the fact that you were heavily implying that you read GIF as scum and didn’t switch your RVS vote, I just couldn’t help but wonder.

Note: ignores the second part of the sentence. Admits it's bullshit. 'Nuff said.

Just ISO Nero:

No mentions of bork/Mac team, but GIF/Mac - he tries to play off early posts as distancing. Buldermar (GIF) flips town and bork confscum at night and suddenly he starts trying to link me & bork through some rubbish quote bork said.

This looks very much like a scum post. Seriously, that's just how you play the game. If you think one thing and it turns out to be wrong then you pick yourself up and move on. Town don't know the motivations and relationships between players so this whole "GAH, YOU CAN'T ATTACK ME WITH NEW INFORMATION!!!" just seems like scum upset/an attempt to discredit i.e; “You were wrong once so you can’t be right this time.”

lol @ scum post. Pick yourself up and move on. You don't go back to the

same conversation

and say "wait, it's actually bork & Mac who look like scum here." If you thought that originally, you would've said. Instead you can now find a link appearing because bork is scum.

I'm sure if we want through bork's early posts we could link him with every fuckin' player in the game right now.

+

but if I'm scummy for this then why ignore 2808 where Bcade pretty much follows my logic about post 107? Do you think he's scum echoing me here or what?

I don't care much for Bacde's post, because all he does is say sometimes scum do do that. He's not making a direct accusation.

Ms. M softclaims
GIF votes her despite this
I vote GIF for this; he admits skimreading and not noticing.

So why not just say "oh I don't like GIF voting for MS." ?

do you even fucking read?

So me voting Ms.M is part of the reason that you voted me?

yes, but clearly you haven't looked back yet. do it.

this is scum looking for excuses to get me lynched. yawn.

but I kinda agree with you about GIF. the locust thing early on also sticks out in my mind too. there's another reason that I'd rather not say too.

reason why you were voting GIF.

I don't even know what this is.

ISO Ms. Marangal's posts GIF, and you'll see why I voted you and why you shouldn't be voting Ms. M right now.

Though disclosing [part of] your reasoning for why you were voting GIF and then more or less telling GIF “you shouldn’t be voting MS but I’m not going to tell you why” seems particularly obtuse.

Right, so you'd rather I said LOL SHE SOFTCLAIMED SOMETHING POSTS AGO!!!! or tell him to look himself?

Do you have a town read on MS?

Why have you still not given your top 4 scum reads?

I don't know what Ms M is right now, null leaning town but I need to look back.

4 scum reads?

NERO NERO NERO NERO

hope that helps. can we please lynch this today? PLEASE!

[Mac]

They are in my wiki.

[Mac]

If I hit KoC can we get Nero tomorrow?

[Mac]

VOTE: KoC

[Mac]

You guys are fucking retarded.

vote: Koc

nothing else is happening today, if he flips scum then I'll tell you all why its stupid to lynch me. If he flips town then we should be lynching from Guile, Bcade, Mac, MS.

Go on then Nero, tell us why we shouldn't lynch your ass today.

[Mac]

Nah AN is red scum.

[Mac]

This is proof that Rubicon is scum:

Knights of Cydonia / his replacement is town. In order for KoC to be scum, he would need to have said to himself "wow, Majiffy just ragequit and was at L-1 in a few hours, I should totally do the same, what could go wrong?" His ragequit post was also 100% accurate, so... coming from a player who has been so completely reasonable the entire game, I would say he is town. (I guess we'll find out soon, though.)

Do I need to explain this, or is it obvious enough?

I guess this is him banking on KoC being town and doing the same as Majiffy?

[Mac]

If he was orange, he could've tied me and bork up together instead of me and GIF knowing bork would flip orange. But he tried to do it after bork flipped orange, because he didn't know.

Nero wasn't defending KoC for what it's worth, just not hammering

[Mac]

I don't understand how Messiah isn't dead yet. There is a possibility that he's scum.

[Mac]

and Messiah stated that Slandaar didn't visit Molliecat before Slandaar stated that they were scum and that the masoning didn't work so...

Pretty sure that ain't true.

I'm thinking the possibility of a scum watcher myself, or scum faking watcher.

[Mac]

Uber... Theres a difference between all of us and Messiah in that he is a claimed PR and semi-powerful.

[Mac]

interesting that Messiah watched DGB over townPR Bacde though. i don't think we can let him keep coasting through the game with some bullshit-looking results

[Mac]

what is your rank, goat? Sgt?

[Mac]

Don't think flavour has alot to with role; Doctor Adam Fenix was Town Cop.

[Mac]

of course you would want me gone Goat, without me the cops cant work and get get a guilty result on you and your teammates. You also wouldn't be able to kill me at night so the only real way to get me out of the game is to lynch me. that's not going to happen

keep coming back to this post. Like it's a staged softclaim between scumbuddies. so fucking weird.

[Mac]

well you are talking shit viomi

[Mac]

Actually, we should all unvote, and not rush this.

Viomi, let's have a little chat. Are you scum? Can you tell me anything useful you've done this game?

Mac, I want to know why you think Messiah thinks/thought you are/were scum, in your own words.

Messiah, tell me what you think of EVERYTHING in the game please.

Messiah thought I was scum because I thought Slandaar was town and during d1 voted for CryoNudist first & then him to counter my townreads wagon. he then accused me of waiting for his results and trying to discredit them by questioning him afterwards, which is a pretty shit excuse because I waited for both results before commenting and then asked why he felt the need to hold them back for a while into d2, almost letting piratecat get lynched.

right now, I couldn't tell you what he thinks of me or anyone cos his contribution has been zero lately.

[Mac]

Nero, you said of KoC flipped scum you would explain why we shouldn't lynch you. go ahead, then. instead of throwing a hissy fit because people think you are scum, you know?

[Mac]

What's qwints currently at?

[Mac]

claim, qwints. consider this intent.

[Mac]

sorry for being AWOL at the weekend. how dare I!!

Nope, I'm still town and confident Nero will flip scum.

[Mac]

Ms M is my second best bet for scum. Haven't a fucking clue what to make of the doctor claims yet.

also, you are a bit of a condescending dick, but I'm sure you knew that.

[Mac]

How exactly is that?

[Mac]

That hurts, Mac. I'm so nice and loveable.

I think we can be friends when we are the same alignment. I don't think we are this game, Nero.

[Mac]

why did you prime bork, fitz and rubi?

[Mac]

so are you going to attribute it down to PURE COINCIDENCE that the 3 carmine's died on the same night?

[Mac]

teh kernal is being kind of quiet except for giving a town read on pidgeywidgey which is....weird.

No it isn't.

also uber goober is my new best friend. he never tells me anything about himself so I don't have to pretend to be interested in the boring details of his life and mostly just blather on about my own. works out great. \o/

You're a pretty dynamite gal yourself.

so to the cgkernal hydra...why so quiet? and why do you have pidgeywidgey as town? I don't. he is unsure for me.

I'm not being quiet. I'm adjusting to remembering to log into another account because neither of us have this bookmarked on our mains so we won't alt-slip and let you all know who we are...

UberG and AANero hydras: please sign your posts.

We are Colonel Guile. Please refer to us as such.

Then there is the whole multiball theory.

This is worth discussing. Being somewhat of a Gear-head myself, there is the possibility of the Locust and the Lambent being two scum teams.

What's your take on it, Venmar?

Ok so right now AP is town, mastin is town,

bork is town

, Jal is town,

PirateCat is town.

We are in good shape. Who's left?

can you explain the bolded here then. & then point out where and why your opinions changed

[Mac]

I'll get to the case on a minute although I'm starting to doubt myself.

I'm also not sure I buy guile and his bomb claim, seriously it must be some fucking funny coincidence that 3 carmines died in the same night.

one has to wonder why Rubicon is not dead if he was "primed" as guille is suggesting. Add to the fact there were no other kills means we've EITHER taken out one scum team (likely orange? CEO and chairman dead, dont know if that means anything) or something else is going on.

can I suggest massclaim or is that stupid at this point? we need to get information I think.

[Mac]

if we speculate 1shot BP surely that MUST mean Rubi is maf? & assuming guile is town.

I'm also vanilla. claiming flavour too or leaving that?

[Mac]

I'm Private Samantha Byrne.

[Mac]

hey! why are we lynching Rubi if guille's got a bomb on him?

[Mac]

I have no idea what to think atm. whichever is lying will be lynched tomorrow/today. wanna know what guille has to say wrt the bomb before I possibly hammer.

[Mac]

so is the bomb still there? or what?

[Mac]

VOTE: Rubicon

[Mac]

Everyone claims then, and results please

[Mac]

Because Messiah is a watcher?

I've claimed already.

[Mac]

Well... Killing Goat would be suicide because of Messiah's claim.

[Mac]

Viomi votes goat
I ask if she thinks that both teams have a doc
Mac answers my question with a question
I ask him what Messiah's role has to do with Goat possibly being scum
Mac says that killin Goat would be suicide which has shit all to do with Viomi's claim that Goat could be scum

I want to kill Mac just for making head hurt

I was not talking to you.

[Mac]

Nero claim.

Viomi, flavour?

[Mac]

Ms M and guille; flavour claims please.

[Mac]

Interesting.

Not sure I buy it.

We have basically 3 untouchables now, it seems to easy.

by untouchables, I mean if we have Messiah watching Goat, Goat protecting Messiah and BP Ms M.

[Mac]

Why does your claim look so forced Ms M? Why did you feel the need to reveal you couldn't be night killed? When surely you'd like to draw the NK knowing you'd survive?

It saddens me that I suddenly feel the towniest player here is Nero.

[Mac]

what do people think the chances of 2 mafia docs?

can't say I like Goat's claim for one reason; because he insists he "protects people in his vehicle" or something as part of his flavour. When it appears flavour as literally nothing to do with roles.

p-edit: save wavelengthish here nero. stop teasing me.

[Mac]

huh. you don't think the teams match up, do you Nero?

doctor/RB -> strongman
possibly ninja -> watcher?

depends of what godmother does. this is confusing as fuck.

p-edit: possibly. now I'm getting shifty about Messiah.

[Mac]

of course you would want me gone Goat, without me the cops cant work and get get a guilty result on you and your teammates. You also wouldn't be able to kill me at night so the only real way to get me out of the game is to lynch me. that's not going to happen

Ms M if you can't read this and figure out why it seems forced. you had literally no reason to post this, you outed your entire role as if the scum knew what your role was.

[Mac]

I think I want guille lynched today. agree that he could be an SK and have us "primed" to blow up at any point.

[Mac]

what sort of town role is blowing people up?

[Mac]

reminds me of an arsonist, you know.

[Mac]

no... no that's wrong.

p-edit: that's still wrong. I'm trying to figure out if we have fucking fake claims on the go here.

[Mac]

Can we vote Ms M? Feel a bit better about her being scum than Goat.

[Mac]

VOTE: Ms M

[Mac]

something pinged with my yesterday that made me think nero was scum. but I can't remember what it was.

[Mac]

I realise that post was not helpful at all but it will come to me.

guille why haven't you been blowing shit up?

[Mac]

what are the chances of a scum watcher?

[Mac]

The Colonel Guille hydra did not want to lynch Slandaar and thought KoC was town for rage-quitting. he looks good for red at the moment.

[Mac]

VOTE: Nero

based on Slandaar/KoC interactions I'm happy to assume Nero is the last scum.

[Mac]

The Colonel Guille

hydra did not want to lynch Slandaar and thought KoC was town for rage-quitting. he looks good for red at the moment.

VOTE: Nero

based on Slandaar/KoC interactions I'm happy to assume Nero is the last scum.

I ISO'd guille before you.

[Mac]

The Colonel Guille hydra did not want to lynch Slandaar and thought KoC was town for rage-quitting. he looks good for red at the moment.

The first part is accurate in that we didn't want to lynch either Messiah or Slaandar on Day 1. Day 2 is a different story. I started to question Slaandar in 1910, but I failed at the follow-up. The second part is incorrect as far as I remember. We voted for KoC for being scummy. His replacement was just the icing of the cake, which I find hilarious that he failed to replace out and is still in the game. Please refer to were we say that his town-rage was town.

uhh you are absolutely right about KoC and I'm interpreting one of your posts wrong.

guille can stay as town. Nero goes today I think.

How do people feel about Messiah? there was some things that trouble me with regards to him.

a) his lack of fucking involvement.
b) just.. the set-up. Orange mafia ninja... town tracker... would it make sense for a red watcher?

my head hurts. SOMEONE FUCKING CONTRIBUTE

[Mac]

hmmm. but as red scum he could bus slandaar and KNOW he didn't visit PirateCat.

[Mac]

i don't know. if it's slandaar v messiah as it was and there both red then a watcher is more suitable role to seem town than fakeclaiming as strongman.

[Mac]

i don't know. if it's slandaar v messiah as it was and there both red then a watcher is more suitable role to seem town than fakeclaiming as strongman.

The issue with this theory is the lack of a town watcher. Which town PR do you feel would be absent with two scum teams?

Also, if Messiah was fake claiming, I have no idea why I wouldn't be dead.

You are missing the point of what I said. Orange mafia ninja, invisible to town tracker, possibly invisibile to red watcher? Also you are not dead because you would be reading Messiah as town.

[Mac]

@messiah; the KoC lynch in particular stands out. his stance refusal to vote KoC and then failure to explain why we shouldn't lynch him the following day was a key point. Not wanting to hammer KoC probably cos he was Godfather... it just makes sense. he keeps focusing on PR's rather than VT's imo.

I'm worried guille is not town either. what is your role name, guille?

[Mac]

not as cool as Cole.

but what is the role name specifically.

[Mac]

can you explain how this is scummy rather than stupid town play?

at the time of slandaar/pc/you I was at work and viewing from my phone. I may have said this, I don't remember, but I was dumb and didn't know what to do really. other than ask questions.

[Mac]

surely i could have just voted pc and acted like I believed slandaar in that case? like alot of people did. it would've been blending in.

Nero also never commented on it either. in fact he voted PC early on and

kept his vote there regardless of your information proving otherwise

. this is another biggy for nero-scum for me.

[Mac]

I've changed my mind.

that's allowed, right?

Messiah was a massive suspicion to me yesterday, hence I agreed with you. now he's not.

[Mac]

Messiah, can I get a full list of your actions.

PC N1

Bork N2 but was sent results on Buldermar

Bacde N3
DGB N4

After that it's all Goat.

what was the cause of this?

[Mac]

Mac, I'd like to see your full case on us please. I'm a tad bit concerned how Mac was agreeing with me and kind of budding me and then flips a switch and calls me scum the next day.

I saw this again and it occurred to me.. You do realize Mac had you as his primary suspect before yesterday, right?

he only suspected me after I suspected him.

haha. like that's any reason for me to be scum over you.

"I suspected him first so he must be scum!"

that's not how it works. what actually happened was you tunneled the shit out of me day one, linking me to every man and his dog and continued to do so. I started to suspect you due to your lack of content on the days following day one; and my read was helped by Angel prancing about and saying stupid, scummy shit. yesterday, I found you town because I thought Ms M was scum. she wasn't & I'm back to you.

Given also that Slaandar and Koc almost never mention AN and viceversa.

ditto for Mac.

I'd also counter that I've been utterly wrong all game long but I don't care enough to argue your point.

Mac is prob scum and it looks like my theory was prob wrong but I'm ok 1v1 against Mac 'cause I'll still win if I get lynched.

omg nero said I was likely town yesterday and has now flipped in a 180!!!

[Mac]

case on Nero

stems from alot of things. first of all, we have the mass amounts of posts made on day one then sauntering his way through the rest of the days.

2nd;

why this day hasn't ended yet. oh people..scum just dragging this day!!!

AA

> Wants this day to end
> Vote is on a pretty much dead wagon

Logic doesn't fit. You are dragging the day out yourself.

this is basically the epitomy of trying to blend in as town. "come on let's get a lynch and end the day!"

whilst not contributing towards ending the fucking day.

this is kinda like a scumslip but then again not so similar.

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE SCUMS!

All you need to do to get on this lynch is look at this:

hrmmm..I had thought it was funny that Ma Jiffy wasn't defending the fuck out of his girl.

KOC, the Piratecat slot is scum 'cause they are accusing Slandaar of lying but not voting it.

vote:Piratecat

To me, I read this as "let's find more reasons to support Slandaar's bullshit claim" and at the same time not be associated with Slandaar.

look at this post. it is outrageous. the last line sums up the reason why it's scummy; it's a roundabout way of defending Slandaar and edging people towards PC. at this point, all we have is Slandaar's masonizing result and not Messiah's, and yet Nero still needs to find another way to find PC suspicious, rather than sheep Slandaar. the killer is that he keeps his vote here for the entire day, despite posting after Messiah's results.

it took nero 2754 posts to make a case against me, and I dismantled it with relative ease. whereas Nero could probably counter none of these points.

[Mac]

hrmmm..I had thought it was funny that Ma Jiffy wasn't defending the fuck out of his girl.

KOC, the Piratecat slot is scum 'cause they are accusing Slandaar of lying but not voting it.

vote:Piratecat

To me, I read this as "let's find more reasons to support Slandaar's bullshit claim" and at the same time not be associated with Slandaar.

look at this post. it is outrageous. the last line sums up the reason why it's scummy; it's a roundabout way of defending Slandaar and edging people towards PC. at this point, all we have is Slandaar's masonizing result and not Messiah's, and yet Nero still needs to find another way to find PC suspicious, rather than sheep Slandaar. the killer is that he keeps his vote here for the entire day, despite posting after Messiah's results.

the above post is terrible.

First of all he's calling Slandaar's fakeclaim bullshit but he didn't vote him.

He's calling me scummy for not voting Slandaar when he did the same so its super duper hypocritical.

The post that he's quoting was made

BEFORE

Slandar claimed anything so how can I be supporting a claim when he hasn't claimed.

bolded line one - this is speaking retrospectively. nice try though
bolded line two - that's a fucking blatant misrep. i'm calling you scummy for supporting Slandaar's bullshit (RESTROSPECTIVELY) claim with more reasons to vote PC.
bolded line three - HOLY FUCKING SHIT EVEN MORE LIES. SLANDAAR's FIRST POST WAS A FUCKING CLAIM THAT PIRATECAT WAS SCUM FROM HIS RESULTS. STOP TALKING SHIT.

you know the only fucking thing that worries me about lynching you? your willingness to get lynched as long as it's me tomorrow. unless it's some massive scum gambit but it's fucking getting me all in a worry that I'm wrong.

[Mac]

IS IT GUILLE?!?!?!?

what the fuck. I don't even know any more. stop fucking fencesitting.

[Mac]

why must you make me doubt myself on nero being scum guille?

[Mac]

messiah what do you make of guille and his recent posts? they are ridiculously on the fence and he basically OMGUS's me when I challenge him to fucking do something.

[Mac]

guille is effectively an arsonist

[Mac]

Because I am Town. And you should know that. I don't know why you think I am not. Do you think I am Red or Orange?

how the fuck shouldI know you are town?

[Mac]

hrmmm..I had thought it was funny that Ma Jiffy wasn't defending the fuck out of his girl.

KOC, the Piratecat slot is scum 'cause they are accusing Slandaar of lying but not voting it.

vote:Piratecat

To me, I read this as "let's find more reasons to support Slandaar's bullshit claim" and at the same time not be associated with Slandaar.

look at this post. it is outrageous. the last line sums up the reason why it's scummy; it's a roundabout way of defending Slandaar and edging people towards PC. at this point, all we have is Slandaar's masonizing result and not Messiah's, and yet Nero still needs to find another way to find PC suspicious, rather than sheep Slandaar. the killer is that he keeps his vote here for the entire day, despite posting after Messiah's results.

the above post is terrible.

First of all he's calling Slandaar's fakeclaim bullshit but he didn't vote him.

He's calling me scummy for not voting Slandaar when he did the same so its super duper hypocritical.

The post that he's quoting was made

BEFORE

Slandar claimed anything so how can I be supporting a claim when he hasn't claimed.

bolded line one - this is speaking retrospectively. nice try though
bolded line two - that's a fucking blatant misrep. i'm calling you scummy for supporting Slandaar's bullshit (RESTROSPECTIVELY) claim with more reasons to vote PC.
bolded line three - HOLY FUCKING SHIT EVEN MORE LIES. SLANDAAR's FIRST POST WAS A FUCKING CLAIM THAT PIRATECAT WAS SCUM FROM HIS RESULTS. STOP TALKING SHIT.

you know the only fucking thing that worries me about lynching you? your willingness to get lynched as long as it's me tomorrow. unless it's some massive scum gambit but it's fucking getting me all in a worry that I'm wrong.

1. Ok but you still didn't vote him so why do you think I'm scummy for something that you did?
2. I no more "supported" his claim then you did. So why am I scummy for something you did?
3. This was his post.

VOTE: PirateCat

Scum found.

I expect everyone to vote them in their next post.

In hindsight I could see how you'd get that he claimed but he didn't actually

claim

until later.

Guille, why is Goat town?

1. I didn't have a fucking clie who to vote for during the altercation. basically i was an ostrich with my head in the sand. the difference between me and you is I did not pick the wrong side and further support their claim with more reasons to lynch piratecat.

2. is the exact same as pretty much.

3. that's a claim and you are not as stupid and naive to think otherwise

fuck it, however

vote guille

guille's similarity to an arsonist makes me think he's either scum or indie.

if messiah and goat are both town which is like 90% likely then town wins anyway assuming we lynch guille today.

if guille is a 3rd/scum then he will likely blow a few of us to shit tonight.

[Mac]

THAT IS NOT WHAT IM SAYING STOP BEING A FUCKING IDIOT ABOUT IT

[Mac]

how is that post topper good in any way. it's basically "x happened to mac, but x also happened to nero. it doesn't help me" and then votes me. his last few posts have talked about sheeping others and not offering an opinion really.

also you are blatantly fucking misrepping me it fucking hurts

[Mac]

vote Nero

Back here then. Blatant misrepping of me has just sealed it

[Mac]

I'm not lying you cretin. Not that I'd give a fuck either way: looks like it's me or you today and I'm sure as hell not scum.

Basically we need The Goat here to lay down his vote.

[Mac]

No I am claiming that you are scummy for finding MORE WAYS to support Slandaar when he was voting PC.

[Mac]

I'm not lying you cretin

On Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:18 pm you called me out for "misrepping you"

At Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:24 am the mod tells us that the deadline is tomorrow.

You then vote 7 mins later and claim that my "missrepping of you seals it" Yet you could have easily done that yesterday but you didn't. So your obviously voting me for the deadline.

Timestamps don't lie.

ok... so I'm voting you for misrepping me because the deadline is tomorrow?

are you happy?

[Mac]

Oh. Okay chaps, no lurking please.

[Mac]

yeah sorry chaps. been working all day.

there are two possible scenarios floating around in my head wrt to both of you.

a) Messiah is a red watcher. this would tie in with town tracker and orange ninja. this is what i've been leaning the past few days when talking about/to messiah (plus the lurking... hasn't entirely helped) or not a watcher at all; don't think you've had any results other than qwints visiting buldermar? < that result makes you a probably-watcher but I guess it can't be confirmed and you could have just made it up.

b) the goat is not a doc (going to assume he's not a red doc because of Rubi's role) and is winging his way through this with some other PR. however this doesn't explain the lack of some of the kills unless he targetted Marangal/one of Rubi's protections.

hmmmm.

[Mac]

Rubi commuted n5 avoiding guille's bomb. meaning he doc'd night two and four.

there was a missing kill on both of the nights meaning scum targetted Marangal (likely enough) or Rubi's protections (equally likely). I don't think they'd go for Messiah if there was a chance they'd miss.

I'm leaning towards the Goat tbh. he swooned into this thread saying he's probably going to vote for me knowing he has messiah wrapped around his little finger.

it's probably/definitely not messiah cos he could've framed me easily... right?

also since guille's claim was legit this means that amazingly, all the carmines died on n3. lol

[Mac]

...no?

[Mac]

oh not both lying. read that as both not lying.

[Mac]

i don't think both of you are lying unless you are suggesting it is 4/3 scum team or someone is a third?

or town is lying but i can't imagine why you'd do that

[Mac]

why are you even speculating that?

[Mac]

you are trying to talk me into a corner.

if messiah isn't a watcher then he has you protecting him thinking he is a watcher; why kill him off?

if you are not a doctor then messiah is watching you and not people you are killing?

stop talking rubbish.

also I'm like 99% it's not messiah at this stage cos he could easily frame me for a scum win at this moment.

[Mac]

DG: I didn't really crumb, either. Here's my reaction to what I THOUGHT was a complete lack of attempts on Messiah (I was clearly relying to much on writeup flavor). Again, I've protected him every single night:

vote Qwints

On a completely unrelated note...does anyone else find it weird that Messiah is generally unharmed, despite being the only town PR claim for the last three days?

Gonna go back through and look a lil...I can think of a perfectly simple reason why Rubicon didn't die last night.

you know what this looks like?

you are trying to cast doubt upon messiah. not crumb your role.

[Mac]

motherfucker.

I'd love to tell you all i would've figured it out had the goat given me more time, but it's olainly obvious that despite my several efforts telling myself that Messiah was a red watcher, I probably would've vited the Goat.