Gears of War Mafia - ( Game Over! )

[Angelious Nero]

vote: Angelious Nero

His name blows. Wake me up when you guys stop trolling and you guys are actually going to do something.

[Angelious Nero]

Are we starting game today?

[Angelious Nero]

huh
^disreagard the post above.

[Angelious Nero]

Uh at Mastin's claim. I want to believe it. >.>

Chances are you aren't lying.

@Neo/Angel - the game started. What was the purpose of your self vote?
You say wake me up when the trolling stops, but what are you doing to stop the trolling? Nothing.

Everybody is trolling nobody is scumhunting.
Mastin claims unreasonable, I wonder why.

Unvote

[Angelious Nero]

@Neo/Angel - the game started. What was the purpose of your self vote?
You say wake me up when the trolling stops, but what are you doing to stop the trolling? Nothing.

So now I'm someone from the Matrix. I've been in enough games to know nothing gets accomplished for along time in these games so I think I'll be pulling a Benmage and sitting back until I find something I can yell at/when the playerlist whittles down.

@NeroAngel: exactly what about the past couple pages constitutes trolling?

If you really think that anything other than your hissy fight with GNR is content you are tremendously stupid. Your prolly both town and if anyone is scummy from that it was Mac.

[Angelious Nero]

no

[Angelious Nero]

yeah except for 80 and 81.

Its just a vibe, ANG. Didn't really like his 47. Why not call out GIF earlier? Maybe he wasn't on @ 11:08. But its rather convenient that he's on @ 11:20 just in time to agree with AGN. Why do you have an issue with me giving an opinion?

If you really think that anything

other than your hissy fight with ANG

is content you are tremendously stupid. Your prolly both town and if anyone is scummy from that it was Mac.

1) Call my spat with ANG & Mac trolling

don't know if stupid or scum.

[Angelious Nero]

yeah except for 80 and 81.

Its just a vibe, ANG. Didn't really like his 47. Why not call out GIF earlier? Maybe he wasn't on @ 11:08. But its rather convenient that he's on @ 11:20 just in time to agree with AGN. Why do you have an issue with me giving an opinion?

If you really think that anything

other than your hissy fight with ANG

is content you are tremendously stupid. Your prolly both town and if anyone is scummy from that it was Mac.

1) Call my spat with ANG & Mac trolling

don't know if stupid or scum.

[Angelious Nero]

Ya'll should ask Mastin how his meta read on AP went in Harry Potter.

[Angelious Nero]

the point was the meta isn't the holy grail of scumhunting. Its useful but lazyish.

[Angelious Nero]

vote:ANG

Maybe AP is right.

shut up Ma Jiffy

[Angelious Nero]

vote:ANG

Maybe AP is right.

shut up Ma Jiffy

[Angelious Nero]

That you and whoever is voting us are dumb as rocks.

[Angelious Nero]

but Jiffy...there's like thread content? Why did you not comment?

nope.

[Angelious Nero]

yeah except for 80 and 81.

Its just a vibe, ANG. Didn't really like his 47. Why not call out GIF earlier? Maybe he wasn't on @ 11:08. But its rather convenient that he's on @ 11:20 just in time to agree with AGN. Why do you have an issue with me giving an opinion?

Who said I had an issue with it? You said he was probably scum, I asked why.

so whatcha think?

[Angelious Nero]

yeah except for 80 and 81.

Its just a vibe, ANG. Didn't really like his 47. Why not call out GIF earlier? Maybe he wasn't on @ 11:08. But its rather convenient that he's on @ 11:20 just in time to agree with AGN. Why do you have an issue with me giving an opinion?

Who said I had an issue with it? You said he was probably scum, I asked why.

so whatcha think?

[Angelious Nero]

@Angelious Nero, he had he same response to the situation as I did. I was leaning more town on him as a result. You make it sound like he called GIF out in 47, but he didn't. He was questioning why bork would call GIF town. And the whole timestamps argument across a 12-minute span is pretty damn weak.

my point exactly. In 47 he echoed your reasoning and made it sound like he had found post 33 scummy but didn't call GIF on it until after you did. Now maybe he wasn't online when GIF posted 33 but I think its quite a coincidence that he just happened to be online 14 mins later to be able to sheep/echo you. Yea its weak, its day 1 with 4 pages but its a slot to watch me thinks.

[Angelious Nero]

in post 49 it sounds a lot like she was accusing GIF of being scum.

[Angelious Nero]

The premise is still the same.

[Angelious Nero]

vote:Ma Jiffy

[Angelious Nero]

Oh so its a 1 vs. 1 then? ok.

[Angelious Nero]

tee hee, Ma Jiffy knows he's gonna flip scum.

[Angelious Nero]

quit Mastin. I'm town and you should actually listen to me this game.

[Angelious Nero]

quit Mastin. I'm town and you should actually listen to me this game.

[Angelious Nero]

We are lynching Jiffy, maybe Mac. Maybe Messiah.

[Angelious Nero]

@AP-what do you think about Mac?

[Angelious Nero]

Well Mastin has a town read too. So idk, maybe I'm off but a lot of time my "sucky reads" are actually right.

[Angelious Nero]

I'd still really really like a Ma Jiffy lynch. He's usually unhelpful as town but the fact he game in, laid down a RVS vote, didn't comment on ANYTHING and still refuses to do so AND he's scared to 1 vs. 1 me. This slot needs death.

[Angelious Nero]

I kind of like that Fitz vote.

@Mac: Ok, but if scum are doing it to appear more town then you are admitting that it is something town is also likely to do. Ergo, its a null tell. So why would he be scummy for it exactly?

I don't think town would make that posts though. I think it's pretty obvious Locust's are the bad guys from the flavor.

Mac is a gut feel, not super strong really. But I liked this post. Hes taking a fairly hard stance on this point and locking himself into a scumread on someone over something fairly minor. Just came off a bit strong to be from scum so early.

Except his vote on GIF was RVS and then later he has a reason to call GIF scum but it was brought up by someone else. Distancing maybe?

[Angelious Nero]

Didn't majiffy do this exact same bullshit in overly posh mafia? And flip town? Just saying, I don't get why people are up in arms about lynching him, unless its pure policy..in which case, wagon-ho!

I would it is totally PL, Majiffy is not helpful, arragont and totally suck at scum hunting. Each wagon he pushes they all end up being town.
He is horrible at this game. I don't know why he even play

[Angelious Nero]

Some of the hydras this game, I can't even...

Nero and AA9? In one slot?
VOTE: Angelicwhateverthefuck Nero

That still didn't stop you being a dick...

[Angelious Nero]

laid down a RVS vote

What makes you think it was RVS?

So whats your reasoning and why didn't you state it?

Didn't majiffy do this exact same bullshit in overly posh mafia? And flip town? Just saying, I don't get why people are up in arms about lynching him, unless its pure policy..in which case, wagon-ho!

considering that you fooled Mastin with your meta, I find this post hypocritical. I'd lynch Majiffy on policy alone since I think he makes a game less enjoyable but in this case he's actually scummy to go along with it.

I'm also one of the better and more accurate scumhunters (I just can't get them lynched!!!) so I agree with KOC here, it looks like Maj just trying to wave of our vote.

I find my town read on AP rapidly diminishing. First his wishy washy townish read on Mac and now his trying to derail the buddying Ma Jiffy wagon.

[Angelious Nero]

*budding

[Angelious Nero]

and this is why putting Mollie and Majiffy in a game together is a bad idea, they'll defend each other regardless of alignment. See Mollie voting for Goat despite Ma Jiffy doing the same thing. And despite calling Majiffy scummy she still finds a way to not vote him. + I don't remember Bork expressing suspicion of him so...what the hell?


Jals believe that fast wagons=//=town lynch is somewhat wrong. MOST fast wagons are town lynchs.

[Angelious Nero]

Correction: Bork has said a few things about Jiffy but he's not the loudest one. Me and KOC are. Why is Mollie buddying Bork?

[Angelious Nero]

Damn, each time i come back i got zillion posts to catch up here...

[Angelious Nero]

When you notice that there's actually a WHOLE BUNCH OF SHIT HAPPENING instead of just dismissing the people voting you as "idiots" or being snarky, and actually start contributing to the game (assuming what you contribute is actually useful, pro-town stuff), I'll reconsider my vote. Until then? You're doing nothing to help move the game along which does nothing but distract from finding actual scum (if you're town and this is just you being a VI), and producing zero active scumhunting of your own, which means you're either a retard (no bueno) or scum (similarly no bueno).

Oh tell me about this... We end up with this shit in almost everygame that Majiffy plays..

don't you dare pair me with that scumshit mollie, seriously, don't. I want nothing to do with him, and no goat, I'm not joking. that stunt you pulled is anti-town, but I can't figure out if it's coming from a townsman, or if it's coming from scum

Well, Goat explanation to his late RVS vote seems geniune. people make mistakes.... the question is.. Are you giving him the benefit of doubt slot or you have confirmed that as scummy move?

[Angelious Nero]

Good news everyone I am here!

This guy is scum;
VOTE: Cryo

I will read the other 13 pages sometime later.

Cryo is scum because he has never played with me before; says I am a good vote yet votes someone else who hadn't even posted ahead of me. Doesn't make any sense hes just scum trying to fit in.

Silly slandaar, we are a hydra. We have both played with you before. If that is your case, might want to try harder.

On a side note, soooo many pages. We only responded to this cuz it's recent. Will be coming up on some time later this week and we will do a read of the game thus far. Skimming it now though, we see a lot of fluff.

Why isn't Angelious Nero dead yet?

Don't you dare blamming us Cryo, You know me well.. and I know you pretty good too. so hold your attitude.
if you're pissed, join us on Majiffy wagon.. He is the one reponsible for filling up this place with junk..

~AA

[Angelious Nero]

Not to Nero levels of good

[Angelious Nero]

Mastin...what do you think of Mac?

[Angelious Nero]

Alright. So here's what I'm going to do. I want to have a full rundown (or as much of a full rundown as you can give at this stage) on reads for every single player that's posted, from these people:
-UberNinja (and guile, I guess),
-AngryPidgeon,
-Nero Cain (and ArcAngel by extension),
-Majiffy,
-Slandaar.

I know that all of you are incredibly accurate scumhunters at certain stages of the game, and I want to coordinate you. Yes, I know, not all of you are going to be town, but that makes it all the more important for me to do the coordination.

Basically--I'm town. You can trust me to be town. And I want to work with all of you, to get a scum lynch. I want to work with all of you, to help finalize scum-lists and town-lists. After I run some errands, I can get a runthrough of my reads this game (despite the fact that they're probably not too stellar yet ), but I figure I might as well start now with the process.

With the exception of Majiffy, I agree pretty much with you.
Majiffy is heavy load to carry... trust me. anyone is better off without him.

~A

[Angelious Nero]

With the exception of Majiffy, I agree pretty much with you.
Majiffy is heavy load to carry... trust me. anyone is better off without him.

~A

Keep harpin' on me, missy, and you're gonna get the JiffyTreatment. And this isn't in the pleasurable way.

Truth can hurt anyone Majiffy, even you. Look at you now.. getting defensive!!
Are you admitting that you play bad?

~A

[Angelious Nero]

Majiffy, what's your Mac read?

[Angelious Nero]

Truth can hurt anyone Majiffy, even you. Look at you now.. getting defensive!!
Are you admitting that you play bad?

~A

No, it just hurts me inside when Indian women have unfavorable opinions about me.

If that's what you think the problem is... You on a right track Majiffy, becuase if you know the problem, its easy to fix it.

Majiffy why is AngelNero scum other than you don't like ArcAngel?

Wait, I never seen Majiffy ever saying that he don't like "Arcangel". don't give wrong ideas please...

~A

[Angelious Nero]

Also Angel did a p good job on our avatar, don't ya'll think?

[Angelious Nero]

Mac-Majiffy team found.

[Angelious Nero]

no, no you aren't.

[Angelious Nero]

Back in your hydra, you filthy injun.

You scream like a 2 year old kid Majiffy!!!

[Angelious Nero]

I kind of like that Fitz vote.

@Mac: Ok, but if scum are doing it to appear more town then you are admitting that it is something town is also likely to do. Ergo, its a null tell. So why would he be scummy for it exactly?

I don't think town would make that posts though. I think it's pretty obvious Locust's are the bad guys from the flavor.

Mac is a gut feel, not super strong really. But I liked this post. Hes taking a fairly hard stance on this point and locking himself into a scumread on someone over something fairly minor. Just came off a bit strong to be from scum so early.

Except his vote on GIF was RVS and then later he has a reason to call GIF scum but it was brought up by someone else. Distancing maybe?

I don't understand this post. Can you explain that a bit more for me? /slow

Why do I need to explain your post to you? lol I think you’re scum and I have no interest in holding dialogue with scum. I mean its not like I’m going to convince you that you are scum. But I guess for everyone else....Mac put down a RVS vote on GIF in 10. In 49 he heavily implies that GIF is scum. He never really pushes a lynch at all so I’m not sure at all where AP is coming from.


It

I don't think either of us are defending majiffy.

I think he looks scummy

but sweet attempt at trying to discredit my (mollie's) read. /:

Do you even know what discrediting means? Discrediting reads are what AP and Majiffy are doing. My claim that you are defending Majiffy is 'cause you ARE. Maybe not in the traditional sense where you tell us Majiffy is town and lash out at those voting him but you are voting GOAT for something that Majiffy also did and calling the whole Majiffy vs. us thing "scum theater" is silly me thinks and incorrectly attributing the Majiffy wagon to Bork. Just what the hell? Sometimes I feel like you are trying to tie me in with Majiffy so when he flips scum I’d prob be next. I’m not sure if you just don’t want to lynch your boyfriend or if ya’ll are scum together. So why are you not voting Majiffy?

naw. Scum chainsaw town for attacking town too, cred and all.

[Angelious Nero]

vote: Mac

I think the whole "we aren't going to vote Majiffy on d1 'cause he might actually be useful. He's scum plain and simple and delaying his lynch is stupid. Aparently being an asshole makes people not want to lynch you so meh, I'll just vig him instead. But since there's like no support lets go with my 2nd scum read.

[Angelious Nero]

@mastin: Ok well Im town. And I know me saying that doesn't mean a whole lot since you and I have a hilarious history of being good at AtE. (damn it)

Why are bitmap/MsMarangal a scum read? Majiffy too for that matter.

I would be 100% down with a cryonudist or Messiag wagon right now, but Im acually quite quite happy with my messiah vote. His latest post feels like a way too look opinionated without contributing and dodging current issues.

AP – I don’t know how serious you’re about this post..

You seriously don’t read Bitmap and MsMarangal as scum?
Look at the Bitmap, he had only 3 posts… I really doubt being town, a player like BITMAP would sit back and miss a game like this. He is leaning scum for sure..
And MsMarangal pretty much giving dodgy reasons for not having a readable posts by saying.. oops give me a sec to catch up (EX: 401 post)
And not to forgot, how she tried to turn over GOAT’s RVS vote into scummy. She is leaning scum for me too..

I have played with Cryo before, Town cryo is more vocal and there is a good chance he could be scum. I have seen him has scum and pretty much laid low to detent attention from crowd.

~A

[Angelious Nero]

Triple post???

[Angelious Nero]

She's scum

[Angelious Nero]

Shaddup Jiffy

and Mollie did that, not me.. or well, Mollie started to bring up Goats RV out of RVS scummy point, I just enforced it. and it was way out of RVS, so why isn't it scummy?

also, if I'm scum, why are you voting Mac?

PEdit: STOP POSTING FUCK

Depends when you think it is way out of RVS, but that's not all worrying me. If you think that is a scummy movie, why didn't you vote him? Unlike pirate cate? you just raised your voice on mollie's suspicion and stayed quiet. It's like you trying to be part of a discussion which you actually don't believe it. That is scummy.

~

[Angelious Nero]

NULL-SCUM:

Approximately Normal Guy (aka, ANG)
Bitmap
Jal
MS Marangal
SCUM?:
AngryPidgeon
Majiffy
SCUM!
CryoNudist
GuyInFreezer (multiball)
Messiah

I need to reread Messiah but off the top of my head he’s kinda scummy. AP and Jiffy should be on there. Don’t really like Cyro. GIF is ok...might be getting bussed by Mac. ANG, Jal and MS aren’t suspicious to me. Bitmap is meh....I actully disagree with Slan. It was along time ago but I played with Slandar and he looks diffrent and I don’t like his misplaced vote on Cyro so....if we add Mac and Slandar that list looks much better.


Messiah
AP
Jiffy
GIF
Mac
Slandaar

[Angelious Nero]

also, if I'm scum, why are you voting Mac?

I was kidding.

@Qwints, I have like 2 or 3 posts explaining why I find Mac scummy. You should like read.

[Angelious Nero]

also, if I'm scum, why are you voting Mac?

I was kidding.

@Qwints, I have like 2 or 3 posts explaining why I find Mac scummy. You should like read.

[Angelious Nero]

Mollie is a glorified VI, we should like ignore her. I would also like AP's response to my post telling him that I don't think Mac is taking a "hard stance".

[Angelious Nero]

uhh... why am I town then AA?

Quote me the post that either of us(nero & me) said you're town...

And where are you at with your catching up? can you share your reads?

[Angelious Nero]

AP, before we answer to you, I have a question for you to fill in me while i check back to that..

You were here when Nero voted MAC, so why didn't raise your tone at that point when you feel MAC is town.
Why are you voicing over on this vote after Qwints started it? I see you pretty much here when we voted MAC!!!!

~A

[Angelious Nero]

uhh... why am I town then AA?

Hey look, Mastin. Its what Myko did. Maybe you were right.

MS: I think you're null but that's 'cause I admit that I haven't really been reading you.

But I don't understand what that has to do with this post:

vote: Mac

I think the whole "we aren't going to vote Majiffy on d1 'cause he might actually be useful. He's scum plain and simple and delaying his lynch is stupid. Aparently being an asshole makes people not want to lynch you so meh, I'll just vig him instead. But since there's like no support lets go with my 2nd scum read.

You don't understand why I'd vote my second scum read if I can't get any support for my top scumread. FFS!!! I'm going to pm Mith about adding a basic IQ to be a player here. Between you and Mollie I’m going to have a stroke.


I guess KoC is lurking a bit............he thinks Jiffy is scum and so do I so I’m willing to give him some town cred.

[Angelious Nero]

AA: you said I wasn't scum... so I assumed you think I'm town, or do you just have a null read on me? I'm still trying to read through and get a definitive stance. as of right now though, I don't have anything to say beyond guts

Again, Quote me the post that we said you're not scum.
In fact i said you're to scum in post # 409

Seriously, Is it an act or do you really play like this?

`A

[Angelious Nero]

Correction in above post: In fact I said you're leaning Scum in Post # 409


~A

[Angelious Nero]

you just stated that you were kidding in 423... I am so confused :/

Actually that was Nero but that doesn't mean that we think you're town. He is right. You're pretty much null to him and leaning scum to me.
so, that makes you fit between the Null > Leaning Scum category for us.

And you still haven't answered to my question about where you're at with your catching up? and what your scum reads and town reads?

[Angelious Nero]

^ with the way the above vote count, this day is not ending anytime sooner.!!!
This is going to be another game with very large day 1 game.

You're worse at staying in-hydra than I am, jeez.

Hydra first time...

[Angelious Nero]

I don't like Jal.

you don't like lot of people Majiffy, be more specific. Is it personal or game play.
If it is game play, are you referring to a specific game you played with her? or this one? or Is this happen to be your general read on her?

[Angelious Nero]

Pretty sure he meant to end that with *

" is dumb

Majiffy-1 Qwints-0

[Angelious Nero]

Not sure yet. There was a post Jal made that was rather sizable wherein I disagreed with practically everything she said. But stupid doesn't necessitate scum. I'll need to poke and prod her more.

Her defensiveness to my insults is notable, though.

You mean this?

Spoiler:

UberG and AANero hydras: please sign your posts.

Qwints is meh, but a bad meh.
GIF I've elaborated on already.
Messiah's posts just seem bad from my gut.
Neither Nero nor Angel are posting in a way which really gives me townvibes, either.

The best vote here is as stated AP's.

These aren't reads. Seem bad? What the hell does that even mean?

Also, you keep posting how ANG is the best lynch, give reasoning for not getting on it, prove your reasoning sucks, say again ANG is the best vote, and then you sit on your ass doing crap all. You are basically pushing/distancing on a lynch here without actually putting your duff on it yourself.

I don't get how wagon speed means anything.

Then there is the whole multiball theory.

Meh. Majiffy doesn't feel like d1 lynch material.

D1 lynch material? Lynch material? Why are you making decisions based on "lynch material" rather than if he's town or scum?

I don't give two flips over a miller claim.

VOTE: mastin2

Also, explain why D3 seems to be so important and why you believe you'll live until D3. You mention it twice, once for revealing flavour and for talking about Majiffy D3.

That was only notable post that i see her mentioning about you, mostly blamming mastin for considering you as some kind of material to keep you alive for a while.

well doesnt' seem so bad....

And rest of our posts were about Goat and Marangal RVS vote thing.

~A

[Angelious Nero]

you just stated that you were kidding in 423... I am so confused :/

Actually that was Nero but that doesn't mean that we think you're town. He is right. You're pretty much null to him and leaning scum to me.
so, that makes you fit between the Null > Leaning Scum category for us.

And you still haven't answered to my question about where you're at with your catching up? and what your scum reads and town reads?

oh, I'm on page like, 11 and my reads are all essentially Null.

OMG, Please don't fill this page with these posts, they ain't going to do any good to you. Trust me!!. Unless you're putting up this whole dumb act..

[Angelious Nero]

That was only notable post that i see her mentioning about you, mostly blamming mastin for considering you as some kind of material to keep you alive for a while.

well doesnt' seem so bad....

And rest of our posts were about Goat and Marangal RVS vote thing.

~A

Yeah that's the post. But you're misunderstanding; my qualms aren't with it because of any involvement with me. I fundamentally disagree with all of her opinions stated therein.

Why don't you state those opinions?
So far she had only two logics may three (including her thing Slaandar)

Spoiler:

Hey, AP, you can read Jal, right? Gonna need you to tell me if this is scum-Jal or not.

But to answer--I talk of day three because the only way I'm dieing before then is via nightkill. Which would mean one of these happened:
-A vig wasted a shot on me (especially since I've offered a reveal on d3 which should be well-before lylo),
-A SK thought taking me out would be a good idea,
-Or the scum NK'd the miller claim before they kill the cop, a-la LIPD Mafia.

Speed of a wagon, like it or not, IS a factor. There CAN be town-based quick-wagons, but experience tells me that assuming all members of a quick-wagon are town is naive to the point of idiocy. Quick-wagons CAN be on scum, but experience tells me that assuming so is going against the numbers; quick-wagons are almost never on scum. With the possible exception of multiball games.

As for lynch material--I meant what I said. I don't think Majiffy is a good d1 lynch regardless of his alignment. If he's town, he's a dang-good scumhunter whether you like him or not. Not to Nero levels of good, but not someone you want to casually dismiss. If he's scum, his posts can shed light on who his scumbuddies are. As I said. I'm not considering a lynch on him 'til d3. I'm writing him off and giving him a pass, kinda like I'm giving AP a pass, kinda like I'm giving Nero a pass.

And those ARE reads, whether you want 'em to be or not.
Qwints is nullish-scum. GIF's alignment is determined by multiscum or not. Messiah (who I'm currently voting) is a scumread. Nero/Angel's posting wasn't solid at the time of the post, but they've since rebounded onto the town side of things by quite some margin, butyeah, the important factor here is that at the time they looked bad.

You think this is very possibly a multiball game, so you yourself should be having not such a big problem with quick wagons as you just said and it shouldn't deter you from joining based on that factor. Also, no to the other stuff. Also doesn't take into an account that there can be scum on scum. Man, I've started a few quick wagons myself on scum.

You mentioned D3 multiple times. What makes it so special to do things then instead of today or D2?

Yeah, I've seen someone do the whole case for "we should keep this person around because they will reveal more blah blah." Well lookatdat, they flipped scum in ADWD mafia with shit reasoning. If you think someone is scum, you get on that bandwagon. You especially want to get people like that out of the way. You can apply the, "if he's scum he can shed light on his scum buddies" to just about anyone you think is scum Either way, not being "D1 lynch material" doesn't signify any alignment from you and is not a good excuse for whatever you were trying to accomplish there.

Jal, If I ask you if you had to choose a day 1 lynch material regardless of game play, how would you base your pick and more importantly who would you pick here?

@Arcangel: I only started talking about Mac because Nero asked me specifically to respond to his post about my opinion on Mac; Mac has mostly been a nonentity this game and I didn't consider a singular vote on him to be super notable at the time.

I pretty much agree with 95% of Slandaar's reads and I think Slandaar is town so that is awesome. I'm really amused that a fair number of people don't know what to make of me this game.

So, who has a scumread on Messiah, raise your hands. Because I think Slandaar, me, mastin, Nero, Majiffy have all talked about that now. Lets lynch Messiah.

Fine. But your question was why we voted Mac. that still baised. if we have asked you for your input , you give or don't your input but your point was confusing.

and btw, Majiffy seem to have scum read on Messiah. Or it could be one of his random votes too.

~A

[Angelious Nero]

Also AAhydra - I don't see how Mollie is a VI. She's not because she's a strong player.

Maybe VI is a lil' harsh but I would never consider her a strong player. Did Mollie ever say why she's attributing the Majiffy wagon to Bork and not to KoC or I who's actually leading it?

[Angelious Nero]

So AP isn't scum...his reads are just terrible or so he says.

[Angelious Nero]

Shhh! Mollie will think we're coordinating and getting online at the same time.

I think Majiffy is being more hardheaded than usual. I don't like his still "RVSing" when there was content and then kept on refusing to read said content and participate in the game. Then he claims that his vote was actually a "policy vote" which is not that much better than RVS and pretty much the same thing. Then claiming that we (my slot) is scummy 'cause we are "anti-town" when he himself is anti-town. That logic sucks.

[Angelious Nero]

you didn't, I did. SRS, Mac and Majiffy town reads? and I know you said that Majiffy was weaker but still...town?!?

[Angelious Nero]

Why don't you state those opinions?
So far she had only two logics may three (including her thing Slaandar)


Spoiler:

Jal, If I ask you if you had to choose a day 1 lynch material regardless of game play, how would you base your pick and more importantly who would you pick here?

I know it's addressed to Majiffy, but "logics?"

I don't completely understand your question to me.

Jal, If you want to lynch some on Day1 , who would you prefer? and how would you base that decision?

[Angelious Nero]

STRONG TOWN

Angelious Nero ( Nero Cain/ArcAngel9 hydra )

– We are absolutely town.

mastin2

- Strong town read, One of those people who actually knows how to scum hunt

May be Town

PeregrineV –

PV is being PVr, could be town

PirateCat ( Pirate Mollie/Malakittens hydra ) –

I had to agree with mastin that either mollie or Mala is actually making this hydra bit less stronger, Example: The pointless conversation with Goat about this RVS vote. They stuck with it since two days.. Please get over with it.. do something else.. Anyways, these ladies read town for now.

AngryPidgeon-

His theories are may be not best theories in the world, especially how you he is been defending majiffy like he is love with him, otherwise he reads pretty much town now.

Majiffy -

Yeah, I am surprised a bit too. As much as I think I want this one PL’d, He reads town for now.

Null – Seriously, need more contributions from this list

Colonel Guile ( Uberninja/guille2015 hydra ) –

I had a lot of expectations from this hydra, I don’t see the same kind of excitement uber had when he signed on this game. I guessing if it is may be because he is not happy with his role, I know uber don’t enjoy being scum. So that means, Is he scum? Not sure at this moment. So total NULL.

Jal –

Total Null, I don’t understand her deal with Mastin at all. Seriously Jal, need more inputs from you.

Borkjerfkin –

He is been around in and out sharing his views but not actually helping anyone. READS Null for now.

Qwints –

He asks lot of questions but doesn’t participate in the game. NULL

Ms Marangal –

She is been catching up ever since the game is started. Not useful in anyway.

Bitmap –

NULL , 3 posts so far.

Havingfitz –

normally Fitz is an active player, he normally plays similar if he is town or scum. He is a hard one to read but he is been null so far on this game.

The Goat –

Need more contribution other than arguing over Pirate cat and Marrangal

Slandaar –

Null so far.. It’s like nobody exists in the game other than Jal

Leaning scum

Messiah
Approximately Normal Guy
Knight of Cydonia
GuyinFreezer

Scum/Lynch candidates:

CryoNudist
Mac

~
A

[Angelious Nero]

I see AA/Nero like Cryo for scum. I don't see anyone townreading that slot, possibly a better lynch than Messiah.

Mastin has a strong town read on us, you had a strong town read on us, Majiffy is calling us dumbtown (which is like the pot calling the kettle black)

Are you honestly scumhunting based on how others read a slot?

[Angelious Nero]

I see AA/Nero like Cryo for scum. I don't see anyone townreading that slot, possibly a better lynch than Messiah.

Well, it's a start.

The hell is this?

[Angelious Nero]

no, it was me Mastin. AP just worded that funky as hell.

[Angelious Nero]

Since when does town Mastin ask if things make sense?

lemme do some reading, I need to stop being lazy and make a qt so me and the Indian Princess can coordinate.

[Angelious Nero]

And how long this day will go? looks like everyone bit tired of this day already.

[Angelious Nero]

We are good with that. We'll go 1v1 with messia. Will help us get into this game.

And seriously that all you gotta say when everyone reads you as scum?

VOTE: CryoNudist

[Angelious Nero]

We are good with that. We'll go 1v1 with messia. Will help us get into this game.

And seriously that all you gotta say when everyone reads you as scum?

VOTE: CryoNudist

It's posts like these (we have 0 doubt this was an AA post) that wish you all would have followed us early and policy lynched this slot.

Seriously, AA, use that little brain of yours and think through what us willing to 1v1 Messia when indeed multiple people have put us on a scum list actually means. What does it gain scum-us to be in a 1v1 situation when we are on multiple people's scum lists yet have (had) 1 total vote?

You freaking kidding me? Even if you're town, I would be happy to lynch you at this moment.
Tell me one thing you did so far that helped this game. Don't you dare to open your shit mouth to talk about my posts on this game. I have done much better scum hunting since the game was begun.. All you did was.. lurk lurk lurk lurk and lurk.

so back off!!!!!!

~Angel

[Angelious Nero]

Seriously, CN, use those brains of yours and riddle me this. What does it gain town-you to lurk all game and then snap agree to 1v1 everyone's other favorite scum pick? Have you read the thread? Do you even think Messiah is scum on your own?

I don't see any motivation to do what you are doing, so I'm going to assume you are just scum pulling shenanigans.

Lurk? Not our fault this game went 14 pages in under 24 hours. It is our fault we don't feel like reading 22 pages of what probably is a bunch of BS. Snap agreeing to a 1v1 was based on someone reducing the lynch pool and sounded like fun. How would we think Messiah is scum when we haven't even read the game? Obviously, we don't have any read on him.

Scum pulling shenanigans, town pulling shenanigans, /shrug.

We came in and voted Messiah b/c Jiffy was nice enough to give us the breakdown so far and his flow chart is beyond reproach...unless he's scum...which he isn't...probably...

Also, reducing the lynch pool down to us and Messiah gives town good info going into D2 whoever is lynched so...pick one and go with it AP.

Its a large game, What do you expect? The game is played by 21 players and nobody is playing at your comfort so that you can read when you feel bored. if you seriously don't have time to catch up. Replace out and spare us from the horror.

[Angelious Nero]

You are just now voting CN? Hello BW hop.

[Angelious Nero]

Holy crap, I think AA9 is turning into Nero Cain.

aww, I like this comment.
btw, AP is TOWN

~AA

[Angelious Nero]

We are good with that. We'll go 1v1 with messia. Will help us get into this game.

And seriously that all you gotta say when everyone reads you as scum?

VOTE: CryoNudist

It's posts like these (we have 0 doubt this was an AA post) that wish you all would have followed us early and policy lynched this slot.

Seriously, AA, use that little brain of yours and think through what us willing to 1v1 Messia when indeed multiple people have put us on a scum list actually means. What does it gain scum-us to be in a 1v1 situation when we are on multiple people's scum lists yet have (had) 1 total vote?

You freaking kidding me? Even if you're town, I would be happy to lynch you at this moment.
Tell me one thing you did so far that helped this game. Don't you dare to open your shit mouth to talk about my posts on this game. I have done much better scum hunting since the game was begun.. All you did was.. lurk lurk lurk lurk and lurk.

so back off!!!!!!

~Angel

^kill this when you're done with us.

^ this post,

Shift + Delete and move it to > TRASH !!

[Angelious Nero]

... why is everyone voting Cryo? is it just a PL thing cuz he's trolling?

Becuz, they are trash in our way right now..!!!

But Cryo, Seriously... Contribute.. Its still not too late!!!
Give us your reads... I remember playing with you as town, though you didn't believe at the begining but you later learnt that i wasn't so bad and we teamed up, remember Twin trap? How we lynched Scum Monkey despite our arguments....? Cmon, you're better than this..!!!

don't bother if you're not town.

~Angel

[Angelious Nero]

and then never sign up for a game again?

[Angelious Nero]

Its me. Its Nero.

[Angelious Nero]

I have a reputation? swwwwwweeeetttt.

[Angelious Nero]

THIS JUST IN!!!

Hell has officially frozen over. Majiffy and I agree on something.

[Angelious Nero]

THIS JUST IN!!!

Hell has officially frozen over. Majiffy and I agree on something.

[Angelious Nero]

That your vote was awful and therefore the Cryo wagon may very well be town.

And Yeah, Bork blows but I don't care for your "hey look over there defense"

[Angelious Nero]

and and before you say anything. I don't care about Cryo at all so I don't care if he does get lynched. But I'd like to get some reads up before the day is over.

[Angelious Nero]

Nero, I really don't care. Get your hydra dissonance shaped up. And I know you have a vendetta against me since HPATPL. Get over it.

Way to try and discredit my read on you. Totally false btw.

vote:AP

[Angelious Nero]

'cause its impossible for scum to use pressure, right?

[Angelious Nero]

Still no. Is colonel Guile your buddy?

[Angelious Nero]

took half an hour to tell me that?

[Angelious Nero]

took half an hour to tell me that?

[Angelious Nero]

Well

THAT'S

ruined.

[Angelious Nero]

Well

THAT'S

ruined.

[Angelious Nero]

Shut up scum. I don't have this "confirmation bias" you speak of. I'm not worried about Harry Potter. I think you are scum 'cause the evidence in the thread says you are scum and your desperately trying to write off legit suspicion as some kind of butthurt vendetta. I can assure you that I'm not that immature.

[Angelious Nero]

Shut up scum. I don't have this "confirmation bias" you speak of. I'm not worried about Harry Potter. I think you are scum 'cause the evidence in the thread says you are scum and your desperately trying to write off legit suspicion as some kind of butthurt vendetta. I can assure you that I'm not that immature.

[Angelious Nero]

no, I don't want to talk to scum.

[Angelious Nero]

I don't disagree with this to much since KoC's lurking + asking for a case made me think of Jude and Jury mafia a lil' bit. MS also looks like a good AP buddy but scum would be stupid to all fall like dominoes.

[Angelious Nero]

If this is AP town play then its horrible. If this is AP town play I'm going to yell at you. Remember how in HP you were so sure that AP was town. How'd that work out?

[Angelious Nero]

Im not dwelling on hpatpl....REMEMBER HOW AP WAS SCUM IN HPATPL???

solid posting nero.

Referencing that Mastin read you wrong in one game has nothing to do with me dwelling. Your just pissed that you gout outted and now your trying to discredit my vote.

Mastin, when I feel like it I'll make a bigger post and we'll have a serious discussion. AP's play is bad. If you seriously think that this is the town play of a rising star then you are a moron.

[Angelious Nero]

ATF=appeal to fear but his "ZOMG YA'LL SUSPECT ME, I'M TAKING MY BALL AND GOING HOME" is more ATE.

[Angelious Nero]

So we've been catching up slowing but surely. One thing has stuck in our heads since starting the re-read and that is AN's votes go with whichever the newest suspicious person is especially as of late. I mean, look at this:
vote:ANG
vote:Ma Jiffy
vote: Mac (the only original thought and vote)
VOTE: CryoNudist
vote:AP

Also, most of those on the list we have a town read on....

Continuing read...

Yes our hydra dis is soooooooooooo scummy. I've actually just voted for Jiffy, Mac, AP. And I was actually the first to point out AP's bad wagon hop before Jiffy. And I think I was calling Jiffy scum before KoC voted them. Perhaps you should brush up on your reading skills?

[Angelious Nero]

You are just now voting CN? Hello BW hop.

I don't know but the Cryo wagon sucks. I may be biased because they're apparently Loyalists to the Order of Flowchartians... But no.

Also a Cryo townflip seriously hurts my AP town read. That switch was

awful

.

uh oo. look at Nero pointin out AP's bw hop before Jiffy did. Cryo and AP are seriously stupid.

[Angelious Nero]

oh I didn't use the word scummy, just shut up and die in a hole, scum.

[Angelious Nero]

naw, just a VI hydra.

but Jiffy...there's like thread content? Why did you not comment?

nope.

This is where I was pointing out that I didn't like Ma Jiffy. But apparently I have to use to words scum for it to count so w/e. From now on I'll be sure to bold the words scum.

Aparently we did vote Ang but meh.

[Angelious Nero]

*I* did not vote you, Angel did. I refuted atleast 3 of your lies so shut up.

[Angelious Nero]

You know what? Me and Angel haven't been coordinating our reads at all and I haven't really spent as much time as I need to , but I am completely ok with a day 1 Cryo lynch. I mean, if they want to call it OMGUS they can but I'm pretty sick of day 1 and I don't think they will help town at all. I still think Mac + AP are scum but w/e.

[Angelious Nero]

Its so cute when you try to stand up for yourself, Mollie. If anyone is being an ass this game its you. I mean you just took shots at me and Sladaar for no reason.

Anways, I don't see how you get "they[cryo] are coming from a town POV" I think what they proposed is pretty stupid and I think I could see that coming from either alignment.

[Angelious Nero]

Side bar for Mollie

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Its so cute when you try to stand up for yourself, Mollie. If anyone is being an ass this game its you. I mean you just took shots at me and Sladaar for no reason.

erm...weren't you calling me a glorified VI like 5 minutes ago? didn't you then change it to there is no way I am strong player that I was a weak one? and this is based off of what...1 completed game? in which you were the d1 lynch and I tried to help you but there is no arguing with majiffy when he decides to get stubborn and a whole of people were screaming for your blood? I bet you didn't even keep up with the game once you were out of it.

so no yours was certainly not undeserved I was pointing out where some of what you say wrt might possibly be coming. looks like I struck a nerve.

I think your posting style is infuriating and makes me not want to read you. I think your bringing in your biasness towards Majiffy and your friends is bad for the game. You didn't strike any nerve but I guess if it makes you feel better you can pretend you did. Truce

?

[Angelious Nero]

I still think AP is scum. He made a terrible terrible hop onto cyro and then tries to throw off my suspicion on him as some vendetta. He's not town but day needs to end so I'm willing to kill Cyro if we ain't lynchin' the scum bird.

[Angelious Nero]

So, hypothetically speaking, scum Cyro knows he's outted and offers to go 1 vs. 1. This would allow him to live another night. I agree that he's prob town though, just not that scum couldn't do what he's doing.

[Angelious Nero]

These Cyro guys are funny. Long games are anti-town as fuck. The longer a game goes on the motivation of town goes down. When town lacks motivation there's less scumhunting. When there's less scumhunting there's more mislynchs. Players ISO's only get longer and its a fucking headache to read. We are already at page 34 now,

IF[/] we get a lynch together in 6 pages then we'll be at 40. If we have another 40 on day 2 and so on and so forth. By day 4 we could be looking at a 160 page game. Most players

DON'T

want to replace into that and if they do they don't really want to read. Jiffy has 92 posts, by day 4 she could have a 400 post ISO.

*shakes head*

This whole "Welp Nero wants to help the town by ending the day phase before it turns into a clusterfuck and drain all town motivation is scummy as fuck." is a bunch of bullshit.

AP: Bets during a game are against the site rules. If you think call cyro scummy for X posts then hop on after support, "ZOMG PEOPLE SUSPECT ME, I'M GOING TO TAKE MY BALL AND GO HOME!" "Hey everyone, Nero has a vendetta against me, he doesn't really think that I'm scummy." is good town play? Then geez. I should have called you the VI instead of Mollie.

I want an AP or Cryo lynch today and I think we should have one together by no more than the next 16 pages.

[Angelious Nero]

1 v 1's are dumb dude besides we're town and you're probs town but you still need to die unless we are killing AP today.

[Angelious Nero]

That's soooooooooooooooooooooo it.

[Angelious Nero]

That's soooooooooooooooooooooo it.

[Angelious Nero]

I still find Mac pretty scummy.


I think he was heavily implied that GIF was scum then he later kinda backtracks a lil’ and calls it a scumread.

I'm not sure how Nero has come to the conclusion that me and ANG will be partners should he flip scum

This is not what I said. I don’t know if he misinterpreted or if if he’s just scum and twisting here. What I said was he

might

be distincing from GIF so yeah.


And then his second scumread or whatever was MS but.....he unvotted that too and now he’s posting it up in all his other games and ignoring things here which make me sad.


CG is a suspect too.


Mollie:Is Bork the same here as Posh?

[Angelious Nero]

got prodded. This game is a snore. I'd hop on Piratecat just 'cause its Mollie.

[Angelious Nero]

this day seriously need to end, we are not moving forward!!

AA

[Angelious Nero]

meanwhile, pidgeywidgey is running around like an epileptic chicken jumping on anyone who has the slightest suspicion of him and I can't follow his thought processes at all which is waaaaaaaay different than the posh game where we were on the same page practically the whole game.

AP jumping on every wagon ever is a town tell for him in my experience. Scum-AP tries harder to find viable wagons.

You should read Harry Potter. ScumAP was bragging post game about how he voted everytownie. (weather he actually did or not is a moot point) but yeah AP is pretty switchy with his vote.

[Angelious Nero]

naw, maybe AP-qwints?

[Angelious Nero]

It's just good policy

And what policy is that?

PV is wrong too. AA9 is dealing with some problems and this game is kinda boring me so yeah, I haven't been posting and playing or reading.

[Angelious Nero]

Jump onto Fitz so we can get into night phase, and not lose any potential active town players?

????????

scum love to shoot active players and leave lurky anti-town players alive.

but Fitz ain't a bad kill at all.

[Angelious Nero]

why this day hasn't ended yet. oh people..scum just dragging this day!!!

AA

[Angelious Nero]

why this day hasn't ended yet. oh people..scum just dragging this day!!!

AA

> Wants this day to end
> Vote is on a pretty much dead wagon

Logic doesn't fit. You are dragging the day out yourself.

Put pressure on that point scum.

KoC is right, our vote needs to be switched. Personally I like the people that are o the Slandaar wagon better then those on the Messiah wagon but I don't really have a scum read on Slandaar. So I need bullet cases on both players.

[Angelious Nero]

So I need bullet cases on both players.

I'm still waiting on this. Angel is kinda V/laish but I'm here.

[Angelious Nero]

I'm "lost".

I'm pretty apathetic towards the game. As I said earlier, I don't find Slandaar scummy but I dislike several of the people (AP, Mac, Fitz, Nudist) on the Messiah wagon. I don't want to wade through pages of shit to find the cases. Hence why I needed them retyped or linked to them.

[Angelious Nero]

MS is also on Slandaar. YUCK!!!

[Angelious Nero]

Slaandar: Here.
Messiah: Here.

Thoughts? Do you think either is actually scummy?

Fuck that. Those are just ISO's and I don't want to read that.

Its so funny when Mollie gets offended.

dude you're still on AP

there is a zero percent chance of AP happening today

DL is tomorrow

move your vote

She's on Slandaar. But her last minute "lez wagon AN" is blistery anti-town. I'm still on AP but if you were reading the thread you'd know that I was trying to decide between Slandaar and Messiah.

@Mod is vc 1.17 correct?[/b

[Angelious Nero]

@Mod is vc 1.17 correct?

[Angelious Nero]

Then you contribute to a No-lynch

oh crap. We no lynched today. I was pretty sure we had like 20 hours left.

[Angelious Nero]

Then you contribute to a No-lynch

oh crap. We no lynched today. I was pretty sure we had like 20 hours left.

Do you not understand the point I'm making or are you just being an a-hole?

a-hole. 100%.

Though there's still a ton of votes that are not on Slan/Messiah. Though I wish Fitz would have done a Slan too. It DOES kinda look like putting in more effort then was needed.

[Angelious Nero]

Is there really a point in having them claim? There's not really time to get another lynch wagon together.

[Angelious Nero]

*sigh*

We have 2oish hours till deadline. Lets say that within the next 5 hours they both claim. We have 15-16 hours left. Its not like we'll be getting some whirlwind lynch in less than a day. So...whats the point? Lynch the player with the worst role?

[Angelious Nero]

lol I was asking a question. Chill out, dude.

Though I have been in a game or two since I joined this site. I think its very unlikey to get a flash lynch in a large game.

[Angelious Nero]

NO, WTF? NO.

OMFG, this is stupid

blow up much?

[Angelious Nero]

lets go MS, lets lynch Molliekittens. Jal says we can get a flash wagon in under a day. Lets see if he's right.

vote:PC

[Angelious Nero]

Mollie has support. lets do it!!!

[Angelious Nero]

My point exactly. Its taken us 2 weeks to get where we are so far. Jal think that we can get 11 PLAYERS TO AGREE in the time span of >24 hours when we couldn't get it done in 2 weeks is extremely optimistic and makes me wonder if he's on shrooms. If I have to pick between Slan and Messiah then I'm picking Messiah.

[Angelious Nero]

vote:Messiah

[Angelious Nero]

So why is Slandaar scummy?

[Angelious Nero]

'cause I have a stronger read on Slandaar. I totally don't care who gets lynched between those two though and I'd wich over to Slan just to avoid a no lynch.

[Angelious Nero]

FUCKING STOP POSTING LIKE THAT.

[Angelious Nero]

We should be lynching between AP, Majiffy, Mac, MS, Viomi, and Gulie tomorrow.

[Angelious Nero]

This is legitimately the most goddamn retarded town I have ever had the misfortune to be part of.

then sub out

I will pm you when town wins

town has likely already lost 'cause we couldn't agree on a day 1 lynch, the two leading candidates are both likely town, scum got the game up to 74 pages so far. By day 3 or 4 no one is going to want to read/care who gets lynched. We should spent day 2 and 3 with some qwick policy lynches to trim the fat.

[Angelious Nero]

hrmmm..I had thought it was funny that Ma Jiffy wasn't defending the fuck out of his girl.

KOC, the Piratecat slot is scum 'cause they are accusing Slandaar of lying but not voting it.

vote:Piratecat

[Angelious Nero]

Jiffy is probably scum due to a meta tell that Mollie showed me yesterday.

So lets kill Jiffy?

[Angelious Nero]

mod tell buld to stop posting like that

I have something to say but I wanna hear from Slan first.

[Angelious Nero]

hint: MS is scum.

[Angelious Nero]

hint: MS is scum.

[Angelious Nero]

MS is scum, EM is towm. Follow the flavor you sodin' brit.

[Angelious Nero]

I was calling MS Marangal scum. We then get this useless/fluffy post from KOC.

All of MS is scum? How the hell are we gonna lynch them then, this game should be over.

EM=EpicMafia.

I was just rolling with the joke but this could be a link between Kocscum and MSscum.

[Angelious Nero]

Jiffy, we aren't you defending Mollie tooth and nail like usual?

[Angelious Nero]

Jiffy, we aren't you defending Mollie tooth and nail like usual?

[Angelious Nero]

Why are you morons voting me? Majiffy and Goat doesn't need to explain themselves because I already know they're scum.

Explain, how majiffy is scum?

VOTE: GoatGuy

Again, Explain. What is this?

I'm waiting on some confirmation from the mod for right now, but I got results on someone other than the person I actually targeted. Presumably it's some redirecting or bus driving, but the names are close enough to give me a little pause.

What the hell. This is Anti-Town. you don't mention that you have night actions.
Is this a new trick to earn town cred??

Hold, I think I made tiny a mod error.

bad MoD

Right, so forget about the bus driver/redirector stuff.

I saw someone visit Buldermar. I don't know that it would be beneficial to reveal who it was though? We have quite a few dead/outed power-roles already, but I'm open to other opinions on the matter.

--


I'd like to lynch Mac. Pretty sure he's scum.

vote: Mac

He was one of the people that shitvoted me to counter the D1 Slandaar wagon, he lurked noticeably (his name being displayed on the bottom as browsing 3-4 times that I saw) during the period of time that Slandaar claimed to receive a negative result on PirateCat and conveniently avoided taking any sides, and then he posted IMMEDIATELY after I outed my watcher result and tried to discredit me for holding the result back.

This is pretty obvious.

Is threre connection with visited person v/s MAC, your reason didn't fit well.

[Angelious Nero]

Just saw Messiah's result on buldemar. Not sure it changes my opinion but regardless...

VOTE: Mac

P.edit...stfu buldemar. If there was more to your lame response...provide a link. If you didn't multipost and quote a dumbass maybe you'd be easier to read.

What connection you have seen in what Messiah night result with Mac???

[Angelious Nero]

@Fitz

- NM, you're scum.

Vote: HavingFitz

Would also go for Angel Nero.

You normally quote scummy posts of a person before you accuse them.. now why you voting a null vote on HF?
And why do you want to lean on us for no reason?

[Angelious Nero]

I'm waiting on some confirmation from the mod for right now, but I got results on someone other than the person I actually targeted. Presumably it's some redirecting or bus driving, but the names are close enough to give me a little pause.

What the hell. This is Anti-Town. you don't mention that you have night actions.
Is this a new trick to earn town cred??

...you don't want the claimed town watcher to note that he has a night action? Are you even fucking reading the game at this point?

chill, i missed bits and pieces of this game, I wasn't communicating with Nero.

[Angelious Nero]

This is Nero, I'm having oral surgery tomorrow so I'll be v/la Wednesday and depending on how I feel Thursday and Friday.

[Angelious Nero]

Mac needs to die today.

vote: Mac

[Angelious Nero]

Speaking of lurkers.

not reading the game.

[Angelious Nero]

your reading skills are terrible.

[Angelious Nero]

Mac can call it an OMGUS if it makes him feel better but there was no point in him voting me yesterday. I’ll admit the both me and Angel have been somewhat inactive this game, with us being inactive, him not pushing us, this looks like a “safe” vote.

His sudden switch from us to Viomi makes no sense really.

We also get this lil' blurb from confirmed scum Bork.

I'm actually partially on board with the Mac thing and I wanna know why AP thinks he's town.

Dunno if Bork would react this way to pressure on his buddy or not

[Angelious Nero]

Mac can call it an OMGUS if it makes him feel better but there was no point in him voting me yesterday. I’ll admit the both me and Angel have been somewhat inactive this game, with us being inactive, him not pushing us, this looks like a “safe” vote.

His sudden switch from us to Viomi makes no sense really.

We also get this lil' blurb from confirmed scum Bork.

I'm actually partially on board with the Mac thing and I wanna know why AP thinks he's town.

Dunno if Bork would react this way to pressure on his buddy or not

[Angelious Nero]

As much as I hate to say it, AN is super scumtastic and Mac's point on him earlier was good, and I would absolutely love to lynch Viomi.

This? I just figured it was a typo.

I made a case for AN

I assume he "ignored it 'cause he didn't see it. I also didn't see it....could you quote this for us?

What's this "valid" point, Messiah?

[Angelious Nero]

Mac, yesterday we were your #1 scum read and you voted us in 2167. Today you voted for Viomi. What made you change your reads?

Messiah-What's this "valid" point that Mac made?

[Angelious Nero]

Viomi's (continually) shit posting today.

so 2411 and 12. ok. Yeah, go die scum.

[Angelious Nero]

I've already found 2 in Mac and MS. Who are the other two?

[Angelious Nero]

People are waiting for the aforementioned lurkers to respond to shit/post at all. So the game slowly dies off because those players have no intention of actually contributing.

Considering that I only joined 'cause Angel wanted to play but she's left me high and dry, that this game is full of trolls and that I've pointed out there is scum in MS + Mac (maybe Jiffy) but no one is listening....I just don't have very much motivation.

I'm not a big fan of the Qwints wagon 'cause he always plays like this regardless.

Likewise, Viomi is a professional troll alt so she seems like an ez wagon to push as well.

[Angelious Nero]

I'm not a big fan of the Qwints wagon 'cause he always plays like this regardless.

since this is how qwints always plays I cant tell with this dude

dat echo!!!

[Angelious Nero]

MS, why do you keep calling Mac scum but you never push him?

A bit defensive there bcade.

[Angelious Nero]

I don't have a case on you. lololololol

[Angelious Nero]

And what do we agree on?

[Angelious Nero]

thisdoesnotadvocatetheusageoftheflowchartbutinsteadthelynchingofAN

Do not use

ridiculously small

, invisible, or encrypted text.

So Mac, when I flip town why do you think you shouldn't be lynched?

[Angelious Nero]

I just want Mac to explain to me why I (and anyone else for that matter) shouldn't suspect him.

[Angelious Nero]

Lets save Venmar the trouble and lynch the slot.

vote:Jiffy

Mac and MS are still scum though.

[Angelious Nero]

Well there's also the part where Jiffy didn't read the early game content, besides its a Jiffy slot but I'd actually like to hear from Rubi first.

You qwints and Bcade.....how do you feel about Mac?

[Angelious Nero]

ME!!!!!

vote: Mac

[Angelious Nero]

Bcade, why shouldn't we be killing Mac?

[Angelious Nero]

Would you turds stop derailing the obvious Macscum lynch?

[Angelious Nero]

Yes, in general. I dislike how Majiffy doesn't do shit in any of his games, he just says "I'm Majiffy. This person is scum."
and his hundreds of followers are just like OH YES MAJIFFY <3_<3 SHEEP SHEEP SHEEP

you deserve a scummie for this post.

[Angelious Nero]

+UberGuile is accusing KOC of trying to wave of suspicion by claiming no case but Mac is doing the same shit. I could see a Mac/Guile team.

MOAR MAC VOTES

[Angelious Nero]

I could also see a Mac/Guile team tbh

since I agree that mac is townish

So what made you change from townish to scummy?

[Angelious Nero]

hehe, scum Guile is ignoring responding to my pointing out his selective scumhunting.

[Angelious Nero]

Read posts #52, #107 (seems unaligned with bork) and #2455 (seems town-motivated) for starters.

cool beans. You know there's two scum teams, right? Ok so you've (in your mind) cleared him from one team...so why don't you think he could be a member of the other team? Are you red scum and know that he's not on your team/he's on your team and you're defending him? 'Cause that's kind of what it sounds like to me.

+ I think 107 might actually be a link to Bork scum. Like lets say if I got lynched, my town flip would show them (the players) that my reads were genuine. If a player were smart enough to go back and look at my reads and they saw Mac was a scum read.

For why Mac is a scum read for me. I think that he heavily implied that GIF was a scum read early on and then kinda backtracks when he says "oh but if I really though he was scum I would have pushed he/she/it." Which I think is a load of bullshit 'cause if he was scum then of course he wouldn't push hard unless he had considerable support.

Then in 903 he's back harping on the GIF/locust thing. There's also this.

there's another reason that I'd rather not say too

Which maybe him knowing that there were two teams and he thought that GIF slipped one team.

AND now, despite the fact that I've been calling him scum since day 1 AND knew why I thought he was scummy/what [part of] the case on him was he's all the sudden yelling that I have no case on him. So why did he not really seem to care much about my scumread on him to suddenly pissing blood? The way it looks to me is that, the game is getting smaller and there's not as many players he can kick a mislynch too, so I could see a scummer, with one man down with not as much mislynch bait around him, being worried.

Why not go ahead and gimmie your top 4 scum reads and why.

[Angelious Nero]

Are we really letting obvious scum Mac go today?

lol your case sucks Nero.

1) I said that I had worded wrongly and never intended to push GiF for something so small.

2) that little out-of-context quote you've found was regarding Ms M's softclaim despite my contending of it at the time; you've conveniently missed out the next post where I say I'm hiding it from scum.

3) your case didnt and still doesnt hold any water. Even when I asked, you continually ignored my asking for one instead repeatedly screaming 'lol obvscum' hoping anyone would buy it.

4) you can have my scumreads when I'm not at work. I expect yours in return.

1. no, you heavily implied that he was scum. Here are some things you said.

Wait, what? You're calling him town based on that?

I found it quite the opposite if I'm honest, scum questioning what scum would be to appear more town.

I don't think town would make that posts though.

and then thought, if anything, it was more likely to be a scum move.

This whole "I worded it wrongly!" I don't see how changing the wording of those posts would change the meaning. + you kept your vote on GIF that whole time and then down in 902? You're back harping on the "GIF calling the Locusts scum".

2. What does that have anything to do with MS M? It was on the same line that your reasoning for voting GIF was.

3. The point is, you

KNEW

that I was calling you scum and had been doing so since day 1. You

KNEW

what part of the reason was that I was calling you scum. For you to just kinda shake it off all early game and then all the sudden "YOU AIN'T GOT NO CASE!!" This sudden change in attitude is baffling to me.

[Angelious Nero]

Mac is town. The argument presented by AN is old old old. So old, it might even be considered RVS.

AND now, despite the fact that I've been calling him scum since day 1 AND knew why I thought he was scummy/what [part of] the case on him was he's all the sudden yelling that I have no case on him. So why did he not really seem to care much about my scumread on him to suddenly pissing blood? The way it looks to me is that, the game is getting smaller and there's not as many players he can kick a mislynch too, so I could see a scummer, with one man down with not as much mislynch bait around him, being worried.

With 2 rivaling mafias, the mafia teams would do their best at finding the other team and lynching them. I see no case here.

You've been tunneling Mac all game and have done nothing other than saying that MS is also scummy (Most prominent days 2,3,4). At some point you say scum team is MS + mac/Jiffy. By MS I assume you mean Marangal right? no case there either.

Like my other head said, there is no case.

old=//=wrong. This is prob scum defending Mac who is also scum. Instead of addressing actulal points he just pulls a KOC/Mac "YOU AIN'T GOT NO CASE!"

[Angelious Nero]

Hey Goat, what do you think of Mac?

and Goat, I just posted a case on Mac. Why is no one commenting on said case?

[Angelious Nero]

FUCK A KOC!!!

Wait that doesn't sound right....

But SRS, read the Mac case and tell me what ya think.

[Angelious Nero]

yeah 'cause Mac going from "ok, I see your reason for suspecting me" to yelling and pissing blood that I have "no case" on him is a total town reaction.

And expecting me to trust what he says is just pants on head. It wouldn't be the first time I've suspected scum and had my case shot down.

[Angelious Nero]

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Mac is like really defensive here. I'll be posting here in a bit about why I still suspect Mac. Though even if Mac is scum (which I believe) then there are still going to be like 3 more scum and Gullie/MS seems like two good candidates. Goat? maybe, the random.org tell is pretty old...would he really use it? DGB, qwints and viomi all seem like just random shots in the dark. Messiah and KOC seem ok. Which leaves Rubi and Bcade and I don't particulary like either slot.

[Angelious Nero]

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Mac is like really defensive here. I'll be posting here in a bit about why I still suspect Mac. Though even if Mac is scum (which I believe) then there are still going to be like 3 more scum and Gullie/MS seems like two good candidates. Goat? maybe, the random.org tell is pretty old...would he really use it? DGB, qwints and viomi all seem like just random shots in the dark. Messiah and KOC seem ok. Which leaves Rubi and Bcade and I don't particulary like either slot.

[Angelious Nero]

why you should probably try and get someone else lynched.

Why only probably?

Why the fucking fuck would I lock into a scumread of page two.

Why wouldn’t you? Someone says or does something suspicious/scummy, why does it matter what page its on?

Also

It was not intended to be a direct accusation of GIF being scum on page two, more a

scumread

But I also don’t see a difference between “I have a scumread on this slot” and “I’m scum reading them but not calling them scum.’ FFS!!! In my mind scumread=scum accusation and this whole “I have a scum read on this slot but...but...I’m not ready to commit" looks like a fence sitter. And for someone that you supposedly weren’t calling scum you were quick to hop back on it in 905.

Somewhere in your ISO there is a quote saying my vote/'scumread' on GiF was distancing scum which is cleaaaarly bullshit because GiF/buldermar flipped town; instead, you decided to say that is was me and bork who are the scum since bork is confscum.

Of course it’s “bullshit” ‘cause his slot is flipped town. Sometimes scum do RVS their buddies and the fact that you were heavily implying that you read GIF as scum and didn’t switch your RVS vote, I just couldn’t help but wonder.

Just ISO Nero:

No mentions of bork/Mac team, but GIF/Mac - he tries to play off early posts as distancing. Buldermar (GIF) flips town and bork confscum at night and suddenly he starts trying to link me & bork through some rubbish quote bork said.

This looks very much like a scum post. Seriously, that's just how you play the game. If you think one thing and it turns out to be wrong then you pick yourself up and move on. Town don't know the motivations and relationships between players so this whole "GAH, YOU CAN'T ATTACK ME WITH NEW INFORMATION!!!" just seems like scum upset/an attempt to discredit i.e; “You were wrong once so you can’t be right this time.”

+

but if I'm scummy for this then why ignore 2808 where Bcade pretty much follows my logic about post 107? Do you think he's scum echoing me here or what?

Ms. M softclaims
GIF votes her despite this
I vote GIF for this; he admits skimreading and not noticing.

So why not just say "oh I don't like GIF voting for MS." ?

but I kinda agree with you about GIF. the locust thing early on also sticks out in my mind too. there's another reason that I'd rather not say too.

reason why you were voting GIF.

ISO Ms. Marangal's posts GIF, and you'll see why I voted you and why you shouldn't be voting Ms. M right now.

Though disclosing [part of] your reasoning for why you were voting GIF and then more or less telling GIF “you shouldn’t be voting MS but I’m not going to tell you why” seems particularly obtuse. And since you were

Do you have a town read on MS?

Why have you still not given your top 4 scum reads?