Mini 1436 ~ Mafia Through a Puppy's Eyes (Game Over.)

[Messiah]

vote: SafetyDance

Wagon.

[Messiah]

Are you scum, Mhork?

[Messiah]

It's the deadline.

[Messiah]

vote: Mhork

(L-2)

Good night.

[Messiah]

Miscounting the votes was a genuine mistake on my part. I really was heading straight to bed at the time, so etc. If it makes you feel any better, Mhork, I feel pretty stupid right now.

What did you expect me to say? Do you want to lynch me because I counted the votes wrong? That's a shitty attempt to look like you're doing something useful.

[Messiah]

It seems pretty obvious from post 103 that he's town.

[Messiah]

Give me a day or two.

[Messiah]

Did anyone else notice that sword was around during the whole time Mhork was being run up on March 25th and around for at least an hour prior to the hammer on March 26th only to avoid posting until right after the hammer dropped saying that Mhork was "scum through and through?" Because I did, and it gives me all these bad feelings.

vote: sword

[Messiah]

You guys have my permission to quicklynch sword.

[Messiah]

Okay, I highly doubt scum targeted safety directly with this playerlist and the way day one panned out (no offense to him!).

I might be stating the obvious but if we go by safety's posts he obviously targeted IceGuy and possibly implosion. I'm not seeing the Cheery Dog target possibility there, kanye.

[Messiah]

I don't really see Cheery Dog flipping scum. I get it, but it just feels super wrong at a gut level for me. Sword is obviously scum, why don't we just lynch him first?

[Messiah]

Obv. wasn't talking to you. Feel free to stay on a wagon that has no chance of gaining traction today and that you aren't usefully trying to push as we near deadline though.

[Messiah]

At this rate we'll probably need to lynch within about 36 hours. I'm open to changing my vote if necessary to avoid a no lynch.

[Messiah]

I would lynch Cheery Dog just because he's been consistently annoying tbh.

[Messiah]

Sword made absolutely zero non-rvs posts prior to Mhork being lynched, so you're right, it probably wasn't a bus. This helps you how?

[Messiah]

He didn't post any while Mhork was being run up. I highly doubt he would suddenly appear as Mhork was at L-1 and make a panic-unvote when practically everyone was calling for a hammer, that would look pretty awful.

[Messiah]

^ Agree with that.

[Messiah]

Mrow

[Messiah]

~Mini Vote Count (9)

sword_of_omens (L-1) ~ Maxous, Messiah, IceGuy, Parama, implosion
IceGuy (L-2) ~ sword_of_omens, kanyeknowsbest, Lady Lambdadelta, Cheery Dog
Cheery Dog (L-4) ~ SpyreX, Panzerjager,

(implosion, Parama)

implosion (L-6) ~ (Cheery Dog)

sword_of_omens (LYNCH) ~ Maxous, Messiah, IceGuy, Parama, implosion, SpyreX
IceGuy (L-2) ~ sword_of_omens, kanyeknowsbest, Lady Lambdadelta, Cheery Dog
Cheery Dog (L-5) ~

(SpyreX,)

Panzerjager

I think the best explanation for kanye's death is that IceGuy is scum. He wanted IceGuy dead the most, and of the people who were voting IceGuy obviously LLD and Cheery aren't any kind of real threat if they're town and Ice is on the scumteam. If Spyrex is the other scum then all the better.

It's also pretty telling that the IceGuy wagon remained static and the people on the weaker wagons chose to all hop to sword instead.

vote: IceGuy

It's probably best to still lynch Cheery maybe.

Why?

[Messiah]

I wouldn't say I'm

implicitly

against a Cheery wagon, Spyrex. See here where I directly state that I can't really see him flipping scum; I still feel that way.

You seem to feel similarly to IceGuy as I do about Cheery, actually, but I'm surprised you've been so adamant about wanting him dead given that.

[Messiah]

Also Spyrex, Safety explicitly said IceGuy should be the Day 2 lynch. Perhaps he was the target?

I think you're grasping at straws with that last quote. Block = Self-Redirect?

[Messiah]

god 437 is a terrible post

[Messiah]

Okay I guess, since you asked so nicely.

--

Open up Cheery Dog's ISO and follow me down the rabbit hole.

Day 1

ISO #3 reads:

I don't think Mhork should be lynched yet, IceGuy and Spyrex are yet to post.

This is a non-post. He doesn't say "Mhork should be lynched because I think he's town". He also doesn't say "I think Mhork is scum" or even "I don't have an opinion on Mhork". He doesn't have any opinion regarding the lynch, and he's trying to stop it on what's essentially a formality.

ISO #4 reads very differently:

I can see why people have him as a scumread, but I'm not sure if that's the case or not.
I'm not currently reading him as town anyway (still null), so if someone decides he should be an early lynch I'm not going to stop them.

The only posts that were between #3 and #4 was a callout by kanye and a vote count.

This is not town behavior.

This is a actually a really good point. It's also very, very clearly manufactured by IceGuy after the fact so his vote on his counter-wagon can be justified. Note that he came out of the gate voting Cheery today and only later made his case.

Spoiler: WALL OF QUOTES

Can somebody give me the cliff notes on why Cheery is scum?

iceguy who is scum. who is town. please give us your current reads in some detail.

I don't really have any current reads. I could go the same route the others do and just make shit up, but I'm honest.

So, does anybody have any reasoning for their vote on CD?

Ah, screw it. I'm going with gut.

VOTE: sword_of_omens

LLD next.

You see that s_o_o wagon? You should all get on it.

See: Consistent questioning of the wagon on Cheery, heavily implying that he has no idea why it exists. Also see: "going with gut" to vote sword when he apparently had a really solid early game tell against Cheery he was keeping in his back pocket and continuing to push through the sword wagon later. Also also see: Saying "LLD next," and then probably never mentioning her again and instead voting his counter-wagon today.

Day 2

He sways wildly on my lynch:

ISO #11:

I'm fine with an IceGuy lynch today regardless of whether Safety targetted him or not.

ISO #12:

and now I'm not even fine with an IceGuy lynch.

ISO #21:

Because I have townreads on the other two wagons?

ISO #23:

I'd rather go IceGuy over sword. (or you guys could join me on implosion)

UNVOTE: VOTE: IceGuy

Here he's suspicious of Cheery for slightly town-reading him for post 293 I guess? But I mean.. again, he never expressed any suspicion of Cheery during the process of helping lynch sword and he never questioned Cheery's sudden town read either even though it was apparently suspicious to him?

[Messiah]

I removed the stuff where he said Cheery only posted fluff on day 3 from the quotes but tbh that just reads as trying too hard to me.

[Messiah]

Re: 419
Why so hate?

Re: 430
Yeah but you still get a ton of cops that always investigate their strongest scum reads and whatever. People are bad at this game.

[Messiah]

This is a game that I will tackle tonight. Yes indeedy.

Cheery, elaborate further on why you don't think Parama and I are scum based on the wagons yesterday? My quick, bleary eyed skim of your post left me confused.

[Messiah]

Do you think there's any possibility that the Mhork lynch was all town, Parama?

[Messiah]

Honestly Parama, this is the third question of mine I've directed specifically towards you that you've ignored completely. If you think I might be your best shot at a townread and you don't want the game to be stalled then consider engaging me maybe?

Going into today I mostly wanted to lynch SpyreX, but I don't see a path to victory being left open to him after relinquishing his Cheery read now. He could get a panzer mislynch and then.. what, implosion? Presumably after having killed Parama with me and LLD still around to lynch him? Meh.

I would lynch panzer or implo I guess. I don't feel anything else.