Mini 1436 ~ Mafia Through a Puppy's Eyes (Game Over.)

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Cheery Dog and/or Lord Mhork are scum.

kanye is town.

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who?

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Lovely. Guess I'll just sort of wait here for someone to actually make some sense. -.-

PEdit:
Hi, Messiah. Nice talk.

dear god i don't want to l-1 you but TEMPTING

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uh. i think that was l-1 not l-2

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Lovely. Guess I'll just sort of wait here for someone to actually make some sense. -.-

Reads as scum who can't think of anything to say, but still wants to say something.

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messiah did you lie on purpose because if you did i'll totally townread you

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There's nothing TO say. >.<

"I have nothing to say, and I am saying it." - John Cage. And also LM. Except in a scummier way.

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that's a bad question, parama.

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Also.
Why Messiah specifically.
5 of the 6 people voting you have not expanded upon why they think you're scum
Yet you single out Messiah

This was a bad question. The answer was kind of very very obvious.

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where did cherry dog go?

...people have lives?

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ERMAHGERD

INB4 LYNCHER

You should

really

stop all-capsing.

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Incidentally i'm not sure why i called cheery scum before and am too lazy to check, but his reaction to the LM wagon is bad.

Two other things: i'm not convinced that parama is town (see: the question that i called terrible), and what the hell is Iceguy's post 90? How do you hope that a vote is a fake hammer when the vote is literally in front of you as, you know, a vote?

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ask one dumb question -> totally scum guize

No. I never called you scum, I just said I wasn't convinced that you're town (which actually implies that i'm inclined to townread you based on other things).

this is a problem because implo has played with me plenty
and knows I ask plenty of dumb questions
will probz read him over at some point in the near future.

That isn't part of my mental picture of your meta.

VOTE: Cheery Dog
Meant to do that last post.

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I'm pretttty sure Ice was the hero protecting scum while not looking outside the box

I'd like to hear from the midrange lots more (LLD, implosion, Panzer)

I and my 13 posts really don't like being lumped in with LLD and her 2 posts and Panzer and his 3 posts :\. Even if you don't think I have "done" anything (read: i have) it's still strange, and I find it interesting that I'm the one who hasn't "done" anything as opposed to LLD and Panzer.

Also, Iceguy, respond to 142.

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Also, Quality over quantity Implo~.

You never said anything of quality until now, i did

VOTE: CHEERY DOG

ONLY ONE DOG ALLOWED IN THE BACKYARD AND IT'S NOT YOU!

How are we meant to get Sixty socialised to be friendly to new dogs if I'm not allowed here.

You're clearly against Sixty being brought up well and therefore scum.

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VOTE: SafetyDance

I want everyone on the Cheery wagon to take a nice long look at this post and answer me one question.

What scum motivation comes from this post?

None.

What town motivation comes from that post?

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From faux screwing around in lalaville? Thats a great way to play pretend post instead of doing stuff.

Speaking of which.

Implosion is right. 13 shouldn't be grouped with 2 or 3.

The fact it is makes me want to shoot him far more.

I'm not sure what any of this is responding to or saying :\.

That's not the question, Implosion. I'll show you what I see in that post once I hear from the people on the Cheery wagon.

I know. I responded to the question, as well, and asked my own (although it's fine to not answer it until others have answered yours).

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VOTE: Iceguy

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Incidentally

i'm not sure why i called cheery scum before and am too lazy to check,

but his reaction to the LM wagon is bad.

Please check.
Not a fan of this reaction.

On reread it was probably because 16 is awkward, although i can't remember what i was actually thinking when i said that CD was likely scum. I have different reasons to find him scummy now, although i would still say 16 is a very awkward vote.

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incidentally, iceguy also still needs to respond to 142.

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I'll probably wind up switching back to Cheery eventually.

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How about you convince me to?

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Ignoring things that have been directed at you is not a "playstyle."

It's more like... oh, i don't know, a bad habit. One over which I am absolutely willing to policy vote because categorically not responding to things directed at you makes you more difficult to read than others.

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When i say more difficult to read than others, i mean intrinsically so - as in, you are "cheating the system" and I'm fundamentally unwilling to play a game of mafia with you if you aren't willing to play a game of mafia with me.

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Incidentally i'm not sure why i called cheery scum before and am too lazy to check, but his reaction to the LM wagon is bad.

Two other things: i'm not convinced that parama is town (see: the question that i called terrible), and what the hell is Iceguy's post 90? How do you hope that a vote is a fake hammer when the vote is literally in front of you as, you know, a vote?

I'm pretttty sure Ice was the hero protecting scum while not looking outside the box

I'd like to hear from the midrange lots more (LLD, implosion, Panzer)

I and my 13 posts really don't like being lumped in with LLD and her 2 posts and Panzer and his 3 posts :\. Even if you don't think I have "done" anything (read: i have) it's still strange, and I find it interesting that I'm the one who hasn't "done" anything as opposed to LLD and Panzer.

Also, Iceguy, respond to 142.

incidentally, iceguy also still needs to respond to 142.

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mm. i somehow missed that post.

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VOTE: Cheery Dog

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i copied those two lines and was about to quote them and say "this." Then i saw that panzer already posted. Now i'm sad.

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Cheery has way waaay more of a chance of being scum - just go reread the 5 whole pages of D1 and you can feel the wiggling.

What iceguy has negative chance of being scum?

Sarcastically acting like you're above suspicion does not make you above suspicion

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For the record, implosion's D2 consists of

> calling Cheery scum,

Yes.

> pursuing a question he beleived Ice Guy did'nt answer and voting Ice guy out of a policy but he beleives Ice guy is town,

No. I never said I believe Iceguy is town. I don't have a strong read on him right now.

> kinda attacking Spyrex when Spyrex attacked him "I find it interesting"

No. Saying I find it interesting is explicitly not an attack. It means "i want this explained better." I was also, to an extent, defending myself from what I felt was, to some extent, a bogus accusation.

> kinda attacking Parama saying he's not "convinced he is town" but later states he is inclined to town-read Parama for other things.

No. I clarified this in post 159. Keyword: clarified. I didn't later state that I was inclined to townread him; i clarified what I had said earlier. I was never attacking parama; i was stating that, even though i wanted to believe that he was town, i was not yet convinced, as i clarified in post 159.


So that's kind of a bad summary of what I've done today, although the implied point of it (that I haven't done much) is fair. I really haven't been in the mood to do things really directly in this game, which I think might be a byproduct of the way that my playstyle is affected by the other people in this game. Really though, nothing in that summary is grounds for suspicion - it's essentially IIoA, and still would be even if it were accurate.

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I was highlighting your lack of committal to reads and attacks by stating all of which you did give or what I thought you implied.

Yeah, this is a legitimate gripe. It should be remedied as the day goes on, but not at this moment.

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also...how relevant is Sixty's flavor normally?

Vi's flavor might have some minor relevance at times but this doesn't strike me as the kind of game where flavor is going to have significance.

I have decent townreads at this point, but need to read a bunch more people more closely. Those townreads are: Parama (based on day one), Maxous (i think the way he responded to my initial response to his points on me was genuine), kanye (combination of his play here and a vague feeling that he's playing to his town meta), Spyrex (although this is really mostly because he hasn't done anything that makes me think he's scum; in the case of Spyrex, i consider that enough to townread him).

I feel like panzer and messiah are people that i might wind up with scumreads on after reading more closely (i don't really like the messiah-town arguments i've seen - I don't think his day one is great, and i don't really like the way he pushed sword. It seems somewhat disingenuous right now, which is of course gut). I'll try to substantiate that more, but it's a start. There's a chance that I'll do something like that later today but it's fairly unlikely.

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i've said this twice, parama. I thought you were town, but i found it notable that i wasn't convinced - please read what i'm saying before accusing me of inconsistencies.

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Spyrex (although this is really mostly because he hasn't done anything that makes me think he's scum; in the case of Spyrex, i consider that enough to townread him).

elaborate on this. you are saying that not doing anything outright scummy puts him up there on your town list?

I haven't seen him do anything that pings me in the same way that his posts during sexy sedilla did.

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I don't really like the sword or iceguy lynches. My gut says sword's d1 play wasn't a bus.

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Sword made absolutely zero non-rvs posts prior to Mhork being lynched, so you're right, it probably wasn't a bus. This helps you how?

He kept his vote on midway through the day; I don't think he'd have done this as scum.

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mm. this is true and i should really be putting in more effort right now but i'm more focused on homework right now and i'm really just posting out of obligation because we're near deadline.

Actually meh. He's used enough ellipses with that in mind in and of themselves to justify a vote this close to deadline.

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VOTE: sword

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Let's talk about panzerjager for a minute.

Wifom on calling me town
Dayvig Kanye
Cheery is probably not scum

This is the extent of his day one apart from the rvs selfvote.

Day two, he immediately votes cheery, later justifying it with ~reasons~ after having previously called cheery town. ~reasons~ is slightly annoying usually but if you said you have a townread on that person and then when asked why you have a scumread don't actually answer... yeah. When he explained his townread on cheery from day one, he still didn't attempt to explain the current scumread, which is (i think) a natural thing to do as town - if you're town and giving reasons why you thought someone was town it's natural to then follow up with why you now think they're scum.

The way he attacked the whole iceguy wagon without ever following up on it or going into more specifics about who on the wagon was scum also pings a nerve (the wagon at that time was sword, kanye, me... yeah.)

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parama stop being town and let other people be town

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i don't think it's as strong of a potential clear as you're saying it is on lld/cheery, parama.

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VOTE: Panzer

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Seeing as everyone practically ignored my panzer vote yesterday, it seems an odd time for implosion to bring it up today though.

When I do things is much, much more a function of my mood and my schedule than it is a function of when others do things.

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What exactly does this mean, it seems you are saying you did'nt bring up panzer suspicion yesterday because you were'nt bothered.

Basically. I wanted to read through some stuff (mostly ISOs) on d2 but never got around to it/was never in the mood/never really had the patience and energy. Yesterday I was in the mood so I iso'd panzer. I put RL before mafia.

which reminds me, why did you put Sword at L-1 yesterday quoting his posting style as justification for the vote?

I've said before (not in this game but in other games) that ellipses tend to be scummy, but that was more a combination of a few other things. One, i was in the mood to l-1 someone. Two, the deadline was approaching. Three, messiah dissuaded me from the reasons i townread sword. In fact if you look at the post in question you can probably glean what my mood was like at the time. Really the ellipses justification was more a justification to myself for wanting to l-1 someone.

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Basically. I wanted to read through some stuff (mostly ISOs) on d2 but never got around to it/was never in the mood/never really had the patience and energy. Yesterday I was in the mood so I iso'd panzer. I put RL before mafia.

Two posts from day 1 aren't hard to read if you open the ISO.

and cocidering the quote you did pull up was mentioned by someone else yesterday, that as a whole seems to be put off.

You're supporting my point >_>.

It isn't about the amount of work that it takes to do it. It's about my mood.

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You're too lazy/not good mooded to even look at page 1, where both his posts were, and I mentioned yesterday?

What the fuck are you talking about?

I isoed more than page one. I didn't even TALK about his day one posts - i just pointed out that he hadn't done much on day one. Hint hint, if he hadn't done much on day one then

i'm going to read other things when i iso him

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I don't remember you posting about panzer yesterday - i skim a fair amount of the game, and i lost focus near the end of the day because, you guessed it, real life.

Sounds like scum not liking the need to scumhunt much to me.

Once again. How much i scumhunt is much much much more dependent on my mood than on my alignment. If you want proof of that then meta me, focusing on games that happened concurrently.

If my own pay when I've been scum is any judge to your own, moods that stop your progress happen a lot more frequently if you already know the person you're getting information on's alignment.

...:s. I don't think you understand what i'm saying. At all. I am not talking

at all

about my mood when i'm reading a game. There's this thing called real life, and I have a thing called a personality. They interact to create things called moods, and those things determine whether or not i open mafiascum at all (although that's an oversimplification because i'll often just check the thread with no intention of posting).

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The post you quoted was from day 1, therefore you are talking about that.

and as I'm in your cocurrent game, you probably know how this may continue.

Yes. I quoted that post from day one

and then proceeded to talk about a bunch of other things

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And that game is kind of ongoing

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I'm dealing with a lot of crap right now. Sorry. I'll find time to post more content tomorrow or tuesday but my lack of activity is a combination of this game starting to drag because no one was posting and panzer is ignoring me and RL being... weird.

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I just woke up from a 3.5-hour nap. It was awesome.

I lean town on iceguy. I think most of his behavior is, unfortunately, null. I think his post on this page is fairly good. I will probably say more later today.

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explain

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dammit parama you're tempting me

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And that game is kind of ongoing

I was a few days early then sorry.
But I still fail to see how metaing your cocurrent games would be useful, when the only ones that I really could use are those a few that you replaced out of at the same time. Or some even older ones that shouldn't even count as current.

current ≠ concurrent. Concurrent games don't need to be current or recent. Concurrent just means that they took place simultaneously.

But I never noticed you failing to read stuff through that had been brought up by others in that game to then go through it later, I guess because it was at night at the time you did it here, but I'm still not getting this shift.

Not sure what you mean by this.

Now that 480 is over: it seems like for the duration of me being in both this game and 480 (this is my only game now, just fyi) one of them was usually in night. They probably aren't the best example.

Iceguy wagon has all the "town guys" on it. I don't like this. Also that wagon sucks in general.

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*twitch*

heading to dinner in a couple minutes so can't look at lld's post right now but will later.

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panzer, i would really strongly consider giving anything you say nonzero weight if you'd given me any reason to.

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Implosion, stop being a fucking moron.

Insulting me after I say that I don't want to listen to you when you have essentially pretended that I haven't been talking for the past two days is not helping your case, good sir.

Anyway i pulled an all nighter last night to finish a paper so i'm going to sleep nice and early.

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implosion/panzer makes absolutely no sense, it made little sense before today and makes absolutely no sense after the start of D4 unless the two are mentally deranged, and I know at least implosion isn't

<3.

I look at this game and i see parama and spyrex acting like i feel like paramatown and spyrextown canonically ought to be acting, and i see LLD acting oddly. So i guess i'll read her spyrex case now. Most of my really hard work for the year is done soo~.

The issue i take with LLD's case is that... well i think it's wrong~

Most of the things LLD says townSpyrex wouldn't do are things i think he absolutely would do. For instance, i really don't think he'd be as blunt about HOORAHing on d1's twilight as scum. I think he might do it a little but i don't feel like he would to this extent, and i can completely see him doing it as town because i feel like as town he really wouldn't be concerned with... things like LM's alignment... after hammering him. I mean that sounds weird, but i just don't think he would.

Panzer is still scummy, but there's a certain amount of ambivalence because he's making himself harder to read by actively sidestepping things that people say about him.

Anyway more after lunch probably~

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also.

massclaim?

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=22173 (me scum, spyrex town)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=22024 (me town, spyrex town)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=17789 (me town, spyrex scum, you traitor)

don't think there are any others though there may be.

and no I don't think a massclaim is a good idea right after our doctor died. I'd rather wait for tomorrow.

it's more a thing of anyone who can use their power will probably be able to get more out of it post-massclaim than pre-massclaim and the next night is rather important if we screw up today considering we (assumedly) only have one ML left.

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also don't ask me why i pointed out that you're in the third game but not the first because i'm not completely sure myself~

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also i'm not trying to make a meta argument in my post though it might look kind of like that

although you could certainly argue against what i said with meta.

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if you extrapolate from between the first and second vcs on this page, we will be able to get about 24 pages of posting in before the end of the day.

If you extrapolate from between the second and third vcs on this page, we will be able to get about 2/3 of a page of posting in before the end of the day.

where did everyone go

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this is probably the first time that my lack of activity in this game is primarily motivated by apathy rather than by RL issues

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VOTE: Panzerjager

i still think we should massclaim though :\

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it doesn't

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aaaaand we should have massclaimed yesterday

anyone care what order people claim in?

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I'm the howl of canine voices that persists in the night to give sixty and other dogs hope that there are others out there.

Vanilla townie.

Cheery dog next i guess but it really doesn't matter soo yeah.

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This game would be a lot easier to evaluate if we knew what messiah was.

I think there's a chance cheery is scum, but the main reason i say that is that i REALLY don't feel like parama is scum and i REALLY don't feel like it's spyrex/lld. i also REALLY don't think cheery is scum with the claim because i feel like the night sky thing would be more likely as a town role. I really have very little idea what's going on. I also feel like a lynch on me is inevitable either today or tomorrow and that makes me slightly defeatist because there ARE really good reasons to townread parama and cheery and to not-scumteam read lld/spyrex and i really can't argue against them. but ugh.

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How shocking, he left. He couldn't give me an answer right away because he had to fabricate it.

are you familiar with the concept of the real world
cuz yeah
people do shit in that.

I feel like i'm more likely to vote lld than i am to vote spyrex. I really don't know what i'm going to think the next time i look at this game beyond that.

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10:23, 10:31, 10:37, 10:39, 10:51 are the timestamps on those posts with 10:31 being from spyrex and the rest from you. Six minutes (ie 10:31 to 10:37) is plenty of time to, y'know, go start doing something else. i mean, capitalizing the word COINCIDENTALLY does not make it... y'know, not a coincidence >_>.

spyrex i'm thinking a lot less pragmatically than you appear to be. I actually want to figure out *who* the scum are rather than blindly telling parama to figure it out for me. It also pains me to say that i'm not confident parama is town anymore but euuugh.

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I honestly feel a bit defeatist here and i don't really have any good logical arguments in favor of me being town

Like, i have difficulty envisioning a future in this game in which i am not lynched either today or tomorrow. I honestly think my best guess at the scumteam right now would be lld/parama and my typing slows down when i type the word parama because god damn he's played a good game if he's scum, but it's the only thing that makes ANY sense right now .

i also frankly find parama's pause on me a bit odd - i feel like parama should be MORE willing to vote me right now. I'm not completely sure if the paranoid attitude towards cheery is characteristic of paramatown. so i guess i'll just ask, why are you paranoid of cheery?

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yeah, knew this was coming eventually.

even if cheery doesn't, spyrex is going to vote for me as soon as he gets here because parama is so *sigh*. I would try to argue against this but yeah spyrex has said specifically that he isn't listening to anything except parama

if he'd like to change that (and doesn't quickhammer me as scum) then i'm absolutely willing to make arguments but yeah

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SafetyDance Redirects Parama to SafetyDance (success; draws NK)
Parama M-Kills implosion (success, but is redirected to SafetyDance)

You're shitting me.

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implosion, sorry <3. It was POE and I did you a disservice.

forgiveness.