Mini 1436 ~ Mafia Through a Puppy's Eyes (Game Over.)

[Cheery Dog]

6am is too early for sun at the moment.
I guess when dls ends for me it will be, I'd just assume it's actually dark still in this case until it ends (i think next week)

Good night, though the sky does probably get bright enough to see in half an hour.

[Cheery Dog]

I like your early reads from last time I saw you play, even if you did replace into that game and only called out one scum.
One scum is better than none, and also the amount you claim to have found here.

VOTE: panzer

[Cheery Dog]

VOTE: CHEERY DOG

ONLY ONE DOG ALLOWED IN THE BACKYARD AND IT'S NOT YOU!

How are we meant to get Sixty socialised to be friendly to new dogs if I'm not allowed here.

You're clearly against Sixty being brought up well and therefore scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SafetyDance

[Cheery Dog]

where did cherry dog go?

...people have lives?

your missing my point,
last post by cherry in this thread: 7:30pm
last post by cherry in other threads: 8:22pm

considering that in this time someone has been run up to L-1 i would expect at least some comment on the matter from him.

and in which I just wrote a wall, your point being?

I don't think Mhork should be lynched yet, IceGuy and Spyrex are yet to post.

[Cheery Dog]

I can see why people have him as a scumread, but I'm not sure if that's the case or not.
I'm not currently reading him as town anyway (still null), so if someone decides he should be an early lynch I'm not going to stop them.

[Cheery Dog]

There was a chance fire you to have claimed on page 3.

And these new responses make me feel like the others in the town made the right decision, even though it was slightly early.

[Cheery Dog]

vote: lord mhork

think I get what kanye is referring to

this post and he followed up with the correct explanation. makes him very town in my eyes.

That he was able to read your posts?
Not-convinced by that and I think he probably was actually bussing after seeing what you were talking about.

VOTE: maxous

Sword's rvs doesn't seem like something who was buddies with mhork would do.

[Cheery Dog]

My problem with Maxous is his steps towards explaining his read.
Mostly the fact this post exists between him drying mhork scum and him explaining what he saw.

@parama: do you still want the reasoning for my LM vote?

[Cheery Dog]

I don't think the flavor relates to what happened, at least I'm not going to be looking into it for other possible kill targets.
Safety makes sense as someone they may have directly killed.

Who he targeted doesn't matter in the scheme of things and attempting to guess etc just makes the rest of catching scum harder.

[Cheery Dog]

I can't see any hints as to who he was going to target, therefore I have nothing that well give useful information as to whether he was the intended target of the night kill or not.
Useless information and guesswork really won't get us anywhere.

[Cheery Dog]

When I posted that I thought he was flipping scum. ("the right decision")
My previous posts I could see why people were calling him scum, but wasn't convinced the lynch needed to happen then.

That response to delaying your reasoning seems valid and genuine to me.

UNVOTE: VOTE: panzer

[Cheery Dog]

I can't see any hints as to who he was going to target, therefore I have nothing that well give useful information as to whether he was the intended target of the night kill or not.
Useless information and guesswork really won't get us anywhere.

so what do you think of his #83 then...
don't you think as a self redirector he would want to crumb his target in case he successfully caught the NK?

He might want to, or he might not have thought about it. You can call it that if you want, by I'm not fully convinced by it.
(and I'm not aware of us knowing if the redirecting happens by moving the action or the target since I think both are still called the same thing)

I'm fine with an IceGuy lynch today regardless of whether Safety targetted him or not.
But I'm out looking for more scum rather that just one plausible attempting defence from a quicklynch of a partner.

[Cheery Dog]

and now I'm not even fine with an IceGuy lynch.

[Cheery Dog]

How about you move elsewhere completely?

I believe the remaining scum more likely ended up ignoring Mhork from the thread.
(hence why I'm currently voting panzerjager who only got posts in on page 1 during day 1)

[Cheery Dog]

How about you move elsewhere completely?

I believe the remaining scum more likely ended up ignoring Mhork from the thread.
(hence why I'm currently voting panzerjager who only got posts in on page 1 during day 1)

please elaborate on why panzer is scum?

*blah blah blah rants no interesting information because I have none*
Because I'm reading him least town.

[Cheery Dog]

Cheery has way waaay more of a chance of being scum - just go reread the 5 whole pages of D1 and you can feel the wiggling.

What iceguy has negative chance of being scum?

[Cheery Dog]

The only reason I'm suspicious if that I didn't know how to deal with the situation of what at the time was what I thought might be caught scum, but not expecting them to be that easy.

And maybe where my votes have gone today, but other people having town reads based on things I consider possibly scummy mean nothing to me.

[Cheery Dog]

@kkb, top line of first quote, then because I wasn't expecting him to be caught that easily I didn't follow with actually making him a scum read though I could see why he had the wagon.

[Cheery Dog]

Did anyone else notice that sword was around during the whole time Mhork was being run up on March 25th and around for at least an hour prior to the hammer on March 26th only to avoid posting until right after the hammer dropped saying that Mhork was "scum through and through?" Because I did, and it gives me all these bad feelings.

vote: sword

His posts don't really seem like they were busing to me, but otherwise I've think it's a good theory.

[Cheery Dog]

It still doesn't seem to mr like he was bussing though, but what I see way well ne different.

I'm down for an implosion lynch though.

UNVOTE: , VOTE: implosion

[Cheery Dog]

It still doesn't seem to mr like he was bussing though, but what I see way well ne different.

I'm down for an implosion lynch though.

UNVOTE: , VOTE: implosion

Why?

Because he's a better lynch option tat others are willing to vote over you/sword.

I'm also willing to lynch him since my gut says he might be scum.

[Cheery Dog]

Because I have townreads on the other two wagons?

Yes it's really only a gutread, but deal with it.

[Cheery Dog]

Because my gut says he isn't scum?

[Cheery Dog]

I'd rather go IceGuy over sword. (or you guys could join me on implosion)

UNVOTE: VOTE: IceGuy

[Cheery Dog]

sword isn't a valid lynch to me, so I'm not going to join it.

[Cheery Dog]

I would lynch Cheery Dog just because he's been consistently annoying tbh.

Because I don't believe that sword is scum?

I'd rather not lynch IceGuy either, but I'm fairly sure he has a better shot of being scum than sword.

[Cheery Dog]

Claims?

Still not happy.

[Cheery Dog]

Oh, and since I'll be going to sleep now...

IceGuy (L-2)

~ sword_of_omens, kanyeknowsbest, Lady Lambdadelta, Cheery Dog

The names in this line alone should dissuade you from voting me.

LLD maybe, but no.

[Cheery Dog]

So I'd still have an opinion if I had left my vote on implosion what?

[Cheery Dog]

I'm going back to my implosion vote, haven't had time to look things through, also :lazy:

VOTE: implosion

Seeing as everyone practically ignored my panzer vote yesterday, it seems an odd time for implosion to bring it up today though.

[Cheery Dog]

Basically. I wanted to read through some stuff (mostly ISOs) on d2 but never got around to it/was never in the mood/never really had the patience and energy. Yesterday I was in the mood so I iso'd panzer. I put RL before mafia.

Two posts from day 1 aren't hard to read if you open the ISO.

and cocidering the quote you did pull up was mentioned by someone else yesterday, that as a whole seems to be put off.

[Cheery Dog]

You're too lazy/not good mooded to even look at page 1, where both his posts were, and I mentioned yesterday?

Sounds like scum not liking the need to scumhunt much to me.

If my own pay when I've been scum is any judge to your own, moods that stop your progress happen a lot more frequently if you already know the person you're getting information on's alignment.

[Cheery Dog]

You're too lazy/not good mooded to even look at page 1, where both his posts were, and I mentioned yesterday?

What the fuck are you talking about?

I isoed more than page one. I didn't even TALK about his day one posts - i just pointed out that he hadn't done much on day one. Hint hint, if he hadn't done much on day one then

i'm going to read other things when i iso him

.

I don't remember you posting about panzer yesterday - i skim a fair amount of the game, and i lost focus near the end of the day because, you guessed it, real life.

Sounds like scum not liking the need to scumhunt much to me.

Once again. How much i scumhunt is much much much more dependent on my mood than on my alignment. If you want proof of that then meta me, focusing on games that happened concurrently.

If my own pay when I've been scum is any judge to your own, moods that stop your progress happen a lot more frequently if you already know the person you're getting information on's alignment.

...:s. I don't think you understand what i'm saying. At all. I am not talking

at all

about my mood when i'm reading a game. There's this thing called real life, and I have a thing called a personality. They interact to create things called moods, and those things determine whether or not i open mafiascum at all (although that's an oversimplification because i'll often just check the thread with no intention of posting).

The post you quoted was from day 1, therefore you are talking about that.

and as I'm in your cocurrent game, you probably know how this may continue.

[Cheery Dog]

If you have no time for the game can you just drop a vote on Ice guy and lynch him please so the more active players can figure out what's going on in this game. thx

^
To anyone

How exactly sure this work?

[Cheery Dog]

Spyrex's post was kinda *whoosh* for me tbh

Anybody wanna halp me with a read on it?

I believe it to be town.

(and with your other post, "sure" should be "would".

[Cheery Dog]

I believe it's quite clear I wasn't wanting him lynched then because we were only on page 3, I didn't have Mhork as town, but I needed more content from everybody to still get better reads. As you can see by my lack of reads, I'm still failing in this regard.

The reason I changed my read on you was entirely that you still labelled Mhork as a mislynch in #193, as I had better evidence (the fact how sword started would have been really hard bussing) meant out of the two of you, you were a lesser townread and more likely to flip scum. I'd rather have still lynched elsewhere, but nothing will happen there.

[Cheery Dog]

And that game is kind of ongoing

I was a few days early then sorry.
But I still fail to see how metaing your cocurrent games would be useful, when the only ones that I really could use are those a few that you replaced out of at the same time. Or some even older ones that shouldn't even count as current.
But I never noticed you failing to read stuff through that had been brought up by others in that game to then go through it later, I guess because it was at night at the time you did it here, but I'm still not getting this shift.

[Cheery Dog]

I'd promise better stuff tomorrow, but I don't think I'm unbuckled enough in the game to actually bother, so you get this sentence of uselessness.

I swear everyone just got complaisant after that day 1 lynch.

I guess I'll have to do this and no lynching would help even less.

VOTE: iceguy

[Cheery Dog]

I swear everyone just got complaisant after that day 1 lynch.

You don't get to be the one making this argument.
That's my job.

I'm including myself in my everyone.

[Cheery Dog]

LLD, as joined my weak town reads now.
I need to checkover messiah, but I think the scumteam is highly likely implosion/panzer.

[Cheery Dog]

implosion/panzer makes absolutely no sense, it made little sense before today and makes absolutely no sense after the start of D4 unless the two are mentally deranged, and I know at least implosion isn't

I could have either you or messiah in there instead, but logic also tells me neither of you is scum.
So when faced with both me and IceGuy has lynchable towies yesterday, I don't see why they wouldn't possibly attempt a bus.

[Cheery Dog]

This is a game that I will tackle tonight. Yes indeedy.

Cheery, elaborate further on why you don't think Parama and I are scum based on the wagons yesterday? My quick, bleary eyed skim of your post left me confused.

You didn't distance from each other in any way I've noticed. But mostly you two are town reads due to other responses.
Parama because of the effort he is putting into the game, and your reactions to the mhork lynch don't feel like you knew he was scum.

[Cheery Dog]

Well, thats what happens when its just piles of garbage.

Last page cheery made me way paranoid about my read.

Can I help you with that paranoia?

[Cheery Dog]

I think I'd still go implosion first, but I'm currently fine with any of them in whatever order.

[Cheery Dog]

My guess is that this will probably happen.

VOTE: panzerjager

[Cheery Dog]

Not particulary, I guess the people not mentioned in the message first though.

[Cheery Dog]

-The Night Sky

I'm going to claim tracker now.

I don't know if I did that too early or not, because my results dictate that mafia don't have an active power role.

Night 1: sword of omens.
Night 2: Spyrex
Night 3: Lady Lambdadelta
Night 4: Parama

All of which came back as "didn't go anywhere"

Kind of pointless us continueing on with massclaim I guess, unless either of the remaining two want to go against my results, but Spyrex is free to go next.

[Cheery Dog]

I'll see if I can convince myself to go through his meta myself - but them I probably also need to do everyone.

[Cheery Dog]

I'm intrigued by Cheery - the comborole is one of those "borderline" things that could have been gamechanging in the right hands. The flipside is a simple night talker is absolutely a trololol role and fits with the lower powercurve we've seen. Tracker is perfect here sliding into the double-win of getting a mysterious result tomorrow even if things go wrong which is soo delicious I can't decide if this is Kaiser Soze or a simple case of duh-ery.

If you need more on the tracker being true, it's the reason why I had sword of omens as a town read day 2 and you and LLD were my weak townie lists.

Other than that I've still been mostly lost with this game, and I don't think me having a investigative role helped.

[Cheery Dog]

I don't think I'm confident in myself either.

[Cheery Dog]

Time to look closely at old stuff I guess

kkb is town, parama is way probably town, safetydance was ultra town but can't even hate on a doc claim now.

Cheery is dead, maxous I'd shoot in the face, iceguy is probably that dude that went all goofus BUT I dont want him at endgame.

Everyone else is in the middle.

Unvote, Vote cheery

I know for fact there's 5 town players mentioned here - and I'm fairly sure the other is town as well, what with no active scum abilities - unless Parama cancelled one after seeing my message. (or implosion can active ability and kill)
Yeah I'm still getting nothing.

hmm my google search for mafia prowler came up with http://wiki.scumhunt.com/index.php?title=Prowler
Which I could see possibly translating loosely to be name cop, though I doubt we'd have anything on it.

[Cheery Dog]

I can't see if anything fits there with that suggestion from Messiah's ISO, so maybe not.

[Cheery Dog]

Right now, I'm looking at Iceguy, Panzer, SpyreX and Maxous today. I want to see Iceguy's answer, I want to see Panzer give content. I need to re-read SpyreX and I need to investigate why Maxous is giving me bad Gut feeling.

Also, the Cheery wagon is giving me that same bad gut feeling, so I'm gonna look into the people on that wagon too. But mostly those 4.

This is the compasion to Spyrex post, I have no idea where I'm attempting to go with these, but two people that aren't confirmed town to me are mentioned.

P-edit, Possibly scum, I really have no idea anymore, I'm not even convinced by what I was attacking him on on previous days. Quite possibly should be the lynch today even if it somehow loses the game, because this game hasn't really been that fun and I kind of just want it over.

[Cheery Dog]

I can't find one from implosion (I don't think I gave a simple reads list either, but even if I did I probably wouldn't quote it because I'm me and I don't trust myself), so just moving on to grab Parama day 2 one.

Death list:
Cheery
Implo
Sword

Pants list:
IceGuy

I won't lynch these guys list:
kanye
Maxous

Everyone else is still to be determined. Clearing the deathlist should end the game though. I sure hope it does

Implosion is the only one that isn't me/dead town.

[Cheery Dog]

reads from day 2 are outdated and I don't know what you mean.

so you're not sure implosion is scum, yes?
and you read me as town, correct?

Yes, but I think I'm actually more sheeping popular opinion than having my own reads.

I just never got around to tracking implosion as I didn't think he would be the one to actually be making the kill.
Though it is still possible SafetyDance caught him one night 1.

[Cheery Dog]

SOunds good to me I guess.

[Cheery Dog]

If I think of anything and the days ended, I can ask you stuff during the night.
Currently I have nothing to ask anyone, but I'm not hammering yet because I may manage to get motivated if Spyrex doesn't hammer straight away.

(I'm kind of doubting that, but if I hope hard enough maybe I'll tell myself to stop hoping and actually action)

[Cheery Dog]

Sixty will get back if that's a good animal shelter. Even if I have to go find whichever one it is and volunteer to do stuff with sixty myself

I think I was trying to use my results too much and just failed at the game.
Mhork was too obvious and played well to make this game the suckfest by getting lynched early.

[Cheery Dog]

Posting style I expected for someone to work me out as the modposter with, not Australian spelling, but I guess that works as well.

If out wasn't obvious I really had no idea how I was meant to use that ability.

(and I claimed that previous night just because I could and hoping scum would kill me then so I didn't have to party attention in lylo)

[Cheery Dog]

If out wasn't obvious I really had no idea how I was meant to use that ability.

You can troll people with it. It wouldn't be a very good ability if you couldn't do at least that!

But in all seriousness, you could use it to reveal your Tracker results anonymously.

Well I did in the end, but it was kind of useless when sword got lynched day 2.

and they didn't help when I was meant to have skipped the spyrex track.

[Cheery Dog]

Dont look at me for any sharp revelations. I'm off my game enough that I'm not going to fight against the machine with lynches I'm not fine with ESPECIALLY when apathy just oozed out of every pore of everyone forever.

I'm not surprised Parama was scum, but like I said no one else wanted to bother, so there you go.

The fact I didn't hammer straight way di mean something here somewhere.

(but then I can't complain when I did the same thing previous with switching off a confirmed scum into lylo - but that was a newbie)