Mini 1436 ~ Mafia Through a Puppy's Eyes (Game Over.)

[SpyreX]

Ohh its like a christmas present.

Thank you everyone.

Unvote, Vote: Lord Mhork

P.S. If this is scum, don't do stupid things tonight. DONT. If I need to expand what stupid things are, well.

P.S.S. Either way I get to live the dream <3

[SpyreX]

What in there looks even remotely fake?

I get to live the dream

[SpyreX]

SafetyDance I like your style.

I will admit that I am the idiot though. I used my 8 vote power lynch powers. Its a curse and a burden I bear alone.

DO NOT JUDGE

[SpyreX]

Things missing:
Any statements about what actually is going on.
A claim.
Anything useful.

Things awesome:
Powerlynches

[SpyreX]

Why would he claim, Spyrex?

If you've been lynched and have a window to give your thoughts on the game, take it. Its not "you win IF YOU ARE ALIVE AND KICKING MUHAHA". Spite doesn't help town even when they're mislynched.

Even with only a few pages there is actually things to be said. Make your opinions known, give out all the information you can.

Its not a claim to save himself, its a claim to give any information possible out to increase the chances of winning.

But, scum getting caught on the lollercoaster? Yea, you bet your ass they're going to rage against the machine as the noose is coming down.

[SpyreX]

kkb is town, parama is way probably town, safetydance was ultra town but can't even hate on a doc claim now.

Cheery is dead, maxous I'd shoot in the face, iceguy is probably that dude that went all goofus BUT I dont want him at endgame.

Everyone else is in the middle.

Unvote, Vote cheery

[SpyreX]

... is the count right?

It is now. ~ty

[SpyreX]

I'm missing it but if you two are in agreement sure.

I think ice is the has-to-go-but-town one.

I'd bet cherry

[SpyreX]

Are you serious? Safety was 150% town when mhork flipped scum.

[SpyreX]

Nah, not useless but thats for a different discussion.

And yes, I'm still super busy but that doesn't change yesterday one whit. Or today. Or, probably, tomorrow. Unless KKB threw a masterful bus for no real reason well.

[SpyreX]

I'm pretttty sure Ice was the hero protecting scum while not looking outside the box

I'd like to hear from the midrange lots more (LLD, implosion, Panzer)

[SpyreX]

And this also gives me reservations about Spy who keeps saying ice is probs town but probs needs to go…he’s said it more than once (#128 and #133) and then he defends him in #153.

What's the reservation there? Its pretty much true. He's dead man walking, but I still think its gonna probably be a town flip. Thats how it goes.

Implosion hasn't "done" stuff. Panzer's throwouts at the beginning have dissolved into nothing. LLD I honestly can't remember most but ego reminds me she called me scum after my delicious hammer which acccttttually is probably a town move.

[SpyreX]

From faux screwing around in lalaville? Thats a great way to play pretend post instead of doing stuff.

Speaking of which.

Implosion is right. 13 shouldn't be grouped with 2 or 3.

The fact it is makes me want to shoot him far more.

[SpyreX]

Yea, I"m absolutely fine with this lynch today.

[SpyreX]

I'd much rather gib cheery then Ice today. Ice is gonna have to go, but lets make that be the freebie when there's only one scum left.

[SpyreX]

Guys,

Please dont make me pull out a giant ball of words about this.

IceGuy is being THAT GUY. That doesn't make him scum. He's been far too abrasive about it. He does get a trip to the noose factory but today isn't the time for it. Cheery has way waaay more of a chance of being scum - just go reread the 5 whole pages of D1 and you can feel the wiggling.

I'm all for murderbridge, but lets start wanton slaughter after we have enough of a lead that we're not pissing it away on silly things.

If need be I'll totally unvote and I absolutely 100% promise I wont hammer immediately if Cheery gets to hammertime. Promise.

[SpyreX]

I'm not 100% sold on Maxous, but otherwise, we can dance.

[SpyreX]

parama u havent said shit on what u think about the self redirector. i want a serious fuckin dialogue about this shit because i think that he nailed his night action and basically everyone is either ignoring this or willfully acting retarded abt it and i just dont get it.

I'm giving credit where credit is due. With that short day the way safety played it he was a paragon of town and the one likely town that wouldn't be protected (KKB). He would have been my kill straight up.

If someone was enterprising we could wrap up this in a tight little bow if sword was on site at all during the latter half (especially during twilight) of those escapades. I'm down with the quickness though

[SpyreX]

Why am I scum KKB?

Further, if I flipped town, would that mean no more drag days and a murderspree?

[SpyreX]

That'd be fine.

KKB fi you change to sword he dies think about that.

[SpyreX]

Unvote, Vote: Sword

Hammers for all

[SpyreX]

Win or lose, if I get all the hammers I win

[SpyreX]

Bleh.

I'm gonna actually have to step up aren't I and this isn't gonna just be fun and frolick in hammerville.

GIVE ME TWO DAYS.

(hint: IceGuy still is waaay more likely to be that guy)

[SpyreX]

Parama remind me after I say real words about this post as well.

[SpyreX]

I promise you real words once there is 5 mintues to actually think in my day.

The main problem I have is ice still reaks of that guy and cheery still isn't a bad idea for death at all.

We've got time, so I'll give it for sure.

[SpyreX]

I have a surprise visitor today so my words will wait.

[SpyreX]

Well, most people aren't even here a little bit.

That makes for boring

[SpyreX]

FINALLY

I had some time to read, and overall I'm not stoked about the fallthrough.

Town:
Parama
Maxous * Disclaimer: This is ENTIRELY a function of KKB and Parama, I dont see it but considering that + the morass well, I'm fine with it.

Town-End Morass:
LLD - More than anything else its the throwaway "are you scum?" at me after Hammer Mark I. I have a haaard time seeing scum fake that considering the events. The only major twiches the other way are the Cheery wagon-hate (which he needs to be dead spoiler) and just the malaise (but that can't be entirely faulted see EVERYONE THIS GAME). IF Cheery is scum and IceGuy is town as of this moment I'd be hard pressed to not kill with fire though.
Messiah - I need someone to walk me off the ledge. I

understand

most of it but when push comes to shove pushing the sword wagon through AND swinging at Ice today is pretty implicitly hating on the Cheery wagon. Which is real, real bad if Cheery is scum.
Implosion - There's a big question TM I have. The read is town, but I'll get to that at the bottom.

Dead Morass:
Panzer - Yep.
IceGuy - I can't see coming out to bat THAT hard for a goon early. However, following that up with tumbleweeds is death. I'm on record saying he needs to die, but every fiber of my being says town.

Aaaand

Unvote, Vote: Cheery Dog

So this starts out with the salivating vote 4 scum (which is dumb (the scum part), but I digress) but then goes into the throwaway vote right after. Then just holding on the quickwagon, to declaring a null read, to saying scum after the flip.

All in all nothing immediately damning but then KKB sets it up and I didn't knock it down and I apologize.

I don't think the flavor relates to what happened, at least I'm not going to be looking into it for other possible kill targets.
Safety makes sense as someone they may have directly killed.

Who he targeted doesn't matter in the scheme of things and attempting to guess etc just makes the rest of catching scum harder.

I can't see any hints as to who he was going to target, therefore I have nothing that well give useful information as to whether he was the intended target of the night kill or not.
Useless information and guesswork really won't get us anywhere.

This isn't just "we can't say for sure". This is absolutely 100% trying to shut down the train of thought entirely. When it can be a back pocket piece of information moving forward. Buttt thats not enough:

When I posted that I thought he was flipping scum. ("the right decision")
My previous posts I could see why people were calling him scum, but wasn't convinced the lynch needed to happen then.

That response to delaying your reasoning seems valid and genuine to me.

UNVOTE: VOTE: panzer

He might want to, or he might not have thought about it. You can call it that if you want, by I'm not fully convinced by it.
(and I'm not aware of us knowing if the redirecting happens by moving the action or the target since I think both are still called the same thing)

I'm fine with an IceGuy lynch today

regardless of whether Safety targetted him or not.
But I'm out looking for more scum rather that just one plausible attempting defence from a quicklynch of a partner.

The throwaway vote and waiting on the wagon that might actually go somewhere. (Yes, later he says Ice isn't scum (and then votes for him later) but thats not the piece I care about)

Leading to a parked vote on implosion.

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Now, I'm pretty much putting in all my chips on Ice being town and Cheery being scum and if I'm wrong yeaaa I'm dead but we're not in a state to just plod to victory. So, I'm throwin down. Cheery's brickwall about the the redirector + parking votes and the slide today is a cake I'm willing to take a bite out of.

However, my big caveat with implosion and what may send this all into a spiral is:

In post 97, implosion wrote:
In post 95, SafetyDance wrote:
ERMAHGERD

INB4 LYNCHER

You should really stop all-capsing.

WE CAN CAPS IF WE WANT TOO
WE CAN LEAVE LOWER CASE BEHIND
COZ SCUM DON'T BLOCK AND IF THEY DON'T BLOCK
WELL, THEY'RE NO FRIENDS OF MINE.

If there's a crumb, IF, this is it. The fact that this is safetydance and the block reference in trying to decipher the rosetta stone AND the fact that this was the last post make me think this thar be the crumb. It'd make sense depending on makeup to have implosion do the kill as well - especially if its just a giant teaparty with these throwaway votes and its Cheery-Implo scum.

I wish I was a lot more sure of the direction but

Quote tags fixed. ~ty

[SpyreX]

Ohh ffs @Mod pleaseeee fix <3

Rrf. Done. ~ty

[SpyreX]

Also Spyrex, Safety explicitly said IceGuy should be the Day 2 lynch. Perhaps he was the target?

I think you're grasping at straws with that last quote. Block = Self-Redirect?

I'm absolutely grasping at straws. When you look at it cross-eyed, a redirect is like a block - well, as close as you could get in code.

Its not that I

want

him dead. Its more a function of pragmatism and inevitability - if there's 3 (or even 5) left and we're looking at that lylo, I absolutely don't want him there. Only one way to make that happen.

BUT SPYREX WE JUST LYNCH THE SKUMZ AND ITLL NEVER HAPPEN

Yea, yea.

[SpyreX]

PARAMA OK YOU ARE TOWN I GET IT

Pleeeeaseee give me some damn direction today because I'm scraping against the walls in the hole trying to make things happen.

Since LOLWIFOMSLOL you're dead tonight you can have my vote today. Whomever. IceGuy makes it hard and if I'm wrong there I just give up on defending bad ever and go back to just purging it with fire.

[SpyreX]

IMPLOSION DO IT

GIVE ME ANOTHER HAMMER

orrr we wait and get more aboard the murder train.

I will check in periodically tomorrow at work and hammer anything I swear

[SpyreX]

Maybe later you'll get a real response but seriously:

Finally, with SpyreX addressing Kanye directly right before the sword lynch, asking him why he is scum,

and then Kanye dying

, I find it very hard not to loook at SpySpy and wonder if he's scum.

Nightkill analysis is a guessing art

, but in combination with the weird lynching habits and his lack of reaction to pressure on him, it doesn't look or FEEL townie.

A blind dog could have guessed Kayne was dead to rights.

Because he was never, ever, ever getting lynched ever.

Much like Parama tonight.

Much like Safety N1.

This is doubly true with the absolute pile of slag.

[SpyreX]

I'll wait until bed.

However, considering the battery just took a dive, its done tonight.

[SpyreX]

Ehh full of lies, not enough time at this point with the active and powerful audience to make it swing anywhere else even if its KILLER AWESOME CLAIMU

Unovte, Vote: IceGuy

[SpyreX]

Parama

Who do you want dead tomorrow

You can give one for each way this flip goes

I OWE THIS MUCH TO YOU

[SpyreX]

My favorite part aside from the sad, sad lynch.

The amazing amount of activity out of the woodwork at this point.

I'll lay this out right now:

I'm never voting for Parama. Its not happening. He could claim scum and at this point it wouldn't matter because in the great race for number 1 champion of slogfest 9000 he's literally the only person left thats even trying to do stuff.

I'd rather see a scum win for that then a town win for this.

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That said, even with our low, low bar this game these are some bad votes out here. LLD's not giving a phone-in performance on her most timid vote - its more of a sattelite lag from Alpha Centauri kinda deal. Panzer's ITS SOO CLEAR YOU GUYS PS LESS WORDS THAN THIS POST ALL GAME is even more triumphant.

I still think Cheery is scum and the simple fact he's been the god damn bridsemaid twice and then the molasses slowly shifts away makes me want him dead NOW while there is still a chance so if its the april fools leftover lynch then we've got one shot at a real one.

Unvote, Vote: Cheery

Parama it'd take a literal wink to get me to shift but think it through before you bring the chainsaw down.

[SpyreX]

...

Cheery is officially making me paranoid. I dont think he can play ham up like that as scum.

[SpyreX]

Well, thats what happens when its just piles of garbage.

Last page cheery made me way paranoid about my read.

[SpyreX]

What? Where I unvote because I don't think thats fake ham?
Or where I hammer when Parama tells me.

BOTH THINGS ARE SHOCK AND AWERS

Here I'll go ahead and help

Unvote

[SpyreX]

Bleh

If I had to rank them it'd panzer/impy/messiah in death order

[SpyreX]

it really doesn't

[SpyreX]

I'm not excited about a panzer lynch in my heart, but I'm not excited about most things this game.

Parama, you want it to happen. Just say the word.

[SpyreX]

Woooo doggy

I'm a trash can, filled with delights and vanilla.

I'm intrigued by Cheery - the comborole is one of those "borderline" things that could have been gamechanging in the right hands. The flipside is a simple night talker is absolutely a trololol role and fits with the lower powercurve we've seen. Tracker is perfect here sliding into the double-win of getting a mysterious result tomorrow even if things go wrong which is soo delicious I can't decide if this is Kaiser Soze or a simple case of duh-ery.

Parama's out. If he's scum, its done just like I said.

Cheery-true means its done right right here going down the line.

The real question is does that make more sense than Cheery-LLD or Cheery-implosion.

Considering the slag that this game I can't pick a direction and fire.

Parama sell me. If its Cheery, my gut says its cheery-implosion for the yin/yang talky bit. If Cheery is riding this to the bank, I'll throw down the gauntlet on LLD right now.

[SpyreX]

Panama, if its you, then you earned it. Of course no awards since all you had to do was SAY WORDS THAT HAD MEANING.

However, this settles it and I'll throw all the chips in on this.

Unvote, Vote: LLD

She does have one thing right though. She's been saying I'm scum for days.

And then :tumbleweeds:

But, if ever there was a post that just was pushing an agenda without actually looking at what is said, there you go. (Hint: He doesn't even consider for a second that Cheery might be town, and suggest the implosion-LLD pairing.)

[SpyreX]

I'm actually really surprised to see you say that implosion.

Because the between the lines is simple:

I've handed this game to Parama. If he's sold that Cheery is town enough, then its you and LLD. Down the stretch.

So, we can fast forward to you voting for me and then Cheery and Parama deciding this.

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However, if there was any doubt watching this fake heat treating this game, of all games, as if its BREAK NECK SPEEDS and I'd be just aquiver is amazing.

[SpyreX]

Ohh before I drop this hammer I'll make something super clear.

I'm not convinced Parama is town. In fact, I've been pretty clear that it doesn't matter to me one whit if he's scum because we, the town, literally only deserve in a chance at winning because the scum are playing just as bad.

In every scenario but cheery scum he's dead tonight or the game is done

WOO

Unvote, Vote: Implosion

[SpyreX]

Dont look at me for any sharp revelations. I'm off my game enough that I'm not going to fight against the machine with lynches I'm not fine with ESPECIALLY when apathy just oozed out of every pore of everyone forever.

I'm not surprised Parama was scum, but like I said no one else wanted to bother, so there you go.

[SpyreX]

Yep, I'm pretty sure I said I didn't care because I didn't care. Its cause and effect.

Of course, considering if I was banking on Parama town and Cheery was more likely to be town even if I was paranoid all game over it then trading implosion for LLD didn't matter a whit because

that was what I was going to do anyways.

I'm not going to try to slag this slag on to fight an order of what I was expecting.

But, I can be pure trash. That's fine. This game did serve as a reminder that whenever I get that itch and go down memory lane and remember the good games and fun times I need to just reality check and remember its not that way anymore with my life and schedule the way they are.

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Cheery, be more active. I think that would have flipped the switch and kept any doubts there.
implosion, sorry <3. It was POE and I did you a disservice.

Everyone else, its been real. I think I'm officially done.

*mic drop*