Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER


Forum rules
Locked
User avatar
AlexisTay3
AlexisTay3
Townie
User avatar
User avatar
AlexisTay3
Townie
Townie
Posts: 19
Joined: March 18, 2013

Post Post #38 (isolation #0) » Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:08 pm

Post by AlexisTay3 »

Alexis Tay, at your service. I'm new to the site and and I really love the game, so please teach me a thing or two! I'm really into the whole theory about mafia mostly because I used to mod RL games.

VOTE:
Fropome


Your avatar creeps me out, my friend. :D

ATay3
User avatar
AlexisTay3
AlexisTay3
Townie
User avatar
User avatar
AlexisTay3
Townie
Townie
Posts: 19
Joined: March 18, 2013

Post Post #40 (isolation #1) » Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:17 pm

Post by AlexisTay3 »

goodmorning wrote:On replacements: Most of them screw the Town. Occasionally they screw the Scum instead.


I agree, It's easier for the scum to pull together from scratch, but it's much harder for the town to do so. Information theory :)

Re: Eye Urn's point: From what I've seen so far I hope we have game full of active players. I think lynching absentees sucks, but the fact that a typical scum ploy is to go for inactives it makes it a great place for them to hide, as any town player who suggests it instantly looks suss. It's also anti-town to not contribute at least to clearing yourself, why give scum the information advantage?


On Fropome's point above, I believe you're trying to say that lurking simply makes it easier for the scum to find someone to target, but I also don't get how it is a great place for them to hide.

ATay3
User avatar
AlexisTay3
AlexisTay3
Townie
User avatar
User avatar
AlexisTay3
Townie
Townie
Posts: 19
Joined: March 18, 2013

Post Post #48 (isolation #2) » Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:48 am

Post by AlexisTay3 »

fferyllt wrote:er...it's readable, but I got "questionably" into the middle of "most" somehow.

My typos may be middling to horrific over the next few weeks. I have a new laptop with a larger keyboard than I am used to. And I type pretty fast. I've usually hit enter before the typos register.


I get the feeling this post may have been a bit too deliberate. Town or Scum, it's online, and you have time to review your post. Not a strong read, but definitely something to refer to.
User avatar
AlexisTay3
AlexisTay3
Townie
User avatar
User avatar
AlexisTay3
Townie
Townie
Posts: 19
Joined: March 18, 2013

Post Post #81 (isolation #3) » Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:24 pm

Post by AlexisTay3 »

I think I should drop my vote against fropome, he's giving me stronger town feels now. I'm usually stuck in church for the whole day on Saturdays, so I didn't have anytime to post, but a brief skimming through I see some differences in how each of the players are focused on advancing the game. I'll post in more detail in a few hours once I get my church stuff settled.

UNVOTE: Fropome
User avatar
AlexisTay3
AlexisTay3
Townie
User avatar
User avatar
AlexisTay3
Townie
Townie
Posts: 19
Joined: March 18, 2013

Post Post #91 (isolation #4) » Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:11 am

Post by AlexisTay3 »

The way I see things going.

Carey appears to be too uninterested in the progress of the game. If you really sucked at playing mafia, it would still really help if you simply jump right in and share your humble opinion with us. No one's judging, it's a game and we are all trying.

Deras and Revenus appear to be reacting very fast to each other and pretty selectively too, see a small association building up there. Judging that someone has a poor reason for voting you is fine, but I don't feel the intensity needed for the OMGUS here.

Goodmorning sir, you seem to be very meticulous with putting all your responses into one post, is that habit? I also see that you unvoted carey, even though much is pointing towards a policy lynch about carey. If he doesn't succumb to the pressure, I don't see how this makes him not worth lynching anyway.

Fropome is giving me a slight townfeel, but I see Fro and GM having a little back and forth there, see a small association building up there too. Fro gives me towny feels because I feel a sense that he's simply trying to suggest an idea without pushing it too hard (about scummy lynching).

The rest are still null to me.

And for the record, I share the feeling, I'm really not very used to the pace of this game. But I'm trying :)

Not voting yet, thanks.

ATay3
User avatar
AlexisTay3
AlexisTay3
Townie
User avatar
User avatar
AlexisTay3
Townie
Townie
Posts: 19
Joined: March 18, 2013

Post Post #104 (isolation #5) » Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:39 pm

Post by AlexisTay3 »

Eye Urn wrote:
goodmorning wrote:
Fro is talking a lot about being scum, but I have no idea what I think that means.

Fropome wrote:I thought the meaning of my posts was pretty clear? Maybe that IC hat has fallen in front of your eyes.
What would you say town's job is?


Ok, so this is what you're saying is defensive? I think you both misunderstood each other in different ways. Fropome, is English not your first language? I've seen a few other weird things that makes me think you're a non-native speaker. GM said she didn't know what your posts meant on the level of whether you're scum, and from your response I take it that you thought she didn't understand the bare semantic meaning or surface content of the posts. (I didn't notice this particular interaction on first read because Frop didn't quote GM; I actually hadn't considered what it was in response to but do remember that it seemed weird because I didn't recall any trouble anyone had with understanding). Yes, I can see what GM might see as a bit defensive, but I think it's because Frop didn't understand the level of meaning that GM wasn't sure about. GM's vote makes far more sense to me, but I think is ultimately based on a misunderstanding.


I like where Eye is going with this. That's someone up the ranks of my reads.

Other than that, I like how fff didn't outright state her reason (Post #85) for suspicion of GM and led to GM posting her Post #86. I feel that the subsequent discussion between the two of them is definitely something to look back at in later game.

Deras, I like how you unvoted Rev and immediately tried contributing your above post after all that pressure. It looks like an honest town move to me.

Currently, at most scummy, I have GM and Carey. I want to hear what GM has to say to Eye's post above.

At most town, I have Eye and Fro.
User avatar
AlexisTay3
AlexisTay3
Townie
User avatar
User avatar
AlexisTay3
Townie
Townie
Posts: 19
Joined: March 18, 2013

Post Post #105 (isolation #6) » Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:48 pm

Post by AlexisTay3 »

Deras wrote:Okay so I re-read the whole thread and took notes (thanks
AlexisTay3: He has participated some, but not overly much (me=hypocrite much?) and hasn't commited to anything. I have him as neutral atm.


Haha, thanks for noting the similarity in our behaviour so far. I would dare say that it's really just my playstyle, at least from how I played in RL games. Conspiracy theorist in the making. :)

Also, you may take some time to learn how to engage in discussion when what you've mostly been doing is being the moderator for the past few years. It's kinda refreshing becoming a newb all over, wouldn't you say?
User avatar
AlexisTay3
AlexisTay3
Townie
User avatar
User avatar
AlexisTay3
Townie
Townie
Posts: 19
Joined: March 18, 2013

Post Post #111 (isolation #7) » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:04 pm

Post by AlexisTay3 »

@ff: I am highly used to trying to outguess playstyles as a mod and also as a player, and so I'm trying to be a good townie by contributing to discussion directly rather than doing "summary posts" like i have been doing so far. Like what I'm doing now. I'm really trying to get used to the pace of online mafia, where responses aren't immediate.
User avatar
AlexisTay3
AlexisTay3
Townie
User avatar
User avatar
AlexisTay3
Townie
Townie
Posts: 19
Joined: March 18, 2013

Post Post #114 (isolation #8) » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:28 pm

Post by AlexisTay3 »

Sorry if my language confused you, I was just suggesting generally that when you're used to being the mod you just can't help but to try and think like one and simply observe the gameplay. Deras hasn't mentioned anything about him modding and I have no knowledge regarding that. But, I was referring to his acknowledgement that simply saying that I haven't participated "overly" isn't something I believe he should get alarmed about for the reason stated vis a vis my past RL modding.

In short, I just want to start talking to people, but I fall to the habit of observing and coming up with conspiracy theories.
User avatar
AlexisTay3
AlexisTay3
Townie
User avatar
User avatar
AlexisTay3
Townie
Townie
Posts: 19
Joined: March 18, 2013

Post Post #120 (isolation #9) » Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:08 pm

Post by AlexisTay3 »

CareyHammer wrote:
Eye Urn wrote:It was a Daylight savings time thing. I apologize for stating that 7.5 hours had passed, when only 6.5 had. But now 10 hours have past without anything from Carey, and Deras has at least contributed something slightly worthwhile.

VOTE: CareyHammer

For implying that not posting and posting worthless fluff were any different, for claiming he was going to start caring about this game but not contributing for as it stands now almost half a day, and of course not saying anything worthwhile.

I'd like to here more from Mac as well, but I don't really have much reason to believe he's scum like with Carey.


Give me an effin' break!

VOTE: Eye Urn/vote]

CareyHammer wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Eye Urn


Yeah, AFK for the next 48 hours.


We will if you at least give us something useful. Coming up with reasons to afk right off the bat and blaming others for pressuring you is bad play. Help us out, we're all trying to scum hunt/town hunt.
User avatar
AlexisTay3
AlexisTay3
Townie
User avatar
User avatar
AlexisTay3
Townie
Townie
Posts: 19
Joined: March 18, 2013

Post Post #122 (isolation #10) » Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:54 pm

Post by AlexisTay3 »

Well, I would suppose it's because they think they're nice to look at. Thanks for the compliment anyway. :)
User avatar
AlexisTay3
AlexisTay3
Townie
User avatar
User avatar
AlexisTay3
Townie
Townie
Posts: 19
Joined: March 18, 2013

Post Post #123 (isolation #11) » Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:56 pm

Post by AlexisTay3 »

@ffery: Well, too much modding and too little playing can have its effect, so yeah.
User avatar
AlexisTay3
AlexisTay3
Townie
User avatar
User avatar
AlexisTay3
Townie
Townie
Posts: 19
Joined: March 18, 2013

Post Post #133 (isolation #12) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:50 am

Post by AlexisTay3 »

Townfeel ranking

Fro > Eye > ffery > Deras > Rev = Mac > GM , Carey

Fropome (Most Town)
I see genuine attempts at bringing his case for his past game experience and the way he received his responses. His direct answers to GM's subtle attack at his overreaction strengthen my townfeel for him(see post ). In particular, his response to me in post suggests that he is trying to contribute by mentioning something slightly different. The back and forth that keeps taking place between him and GM suggest to me that GM is either trying to take advantage of Fro's unorthodox points about lynching scum/lurkers and rather quick reactions (which indeed can be misrepresented as defensive behaviour), or that there's a bus driving past. More on this below.

Eye Urn (Very Town)
I see his vehement attempts to chase after lurkers as a sign of townie play. He first went after Deras, who hasn't contributed much but had a knee-jerk reaction to Rev's vote. I interpret his WIFOM about Deras "trying to deflect pressure however he can" (see post ) as a way to pile on pressure, as he also does for Carey, who incidentally already has a bad stink going around. I see pretty consistent behaviour from him so far, so a strong townfeel.

fferylit (Very Town)
I see a very consistent theme hanging around about making alignment indicative posts, right from the first off-hand townfeel GM gave her. However, I also see her paying a lot of attention to GM and Fro. And while she has done ISO and does talk about lurkers, I see that just like GM, she's not giving a lot of pressure to heavy and recalcitrant lurkers esp Carey, who at least as far as my newbie opinion goes, shouldn't be behaving as such in this game. I, however, feel that this may be her having anticipated such play from said players, being more experienced, so the overall read is also very town.

And yes, I would say it is to let you guys anticipate that I sometimes use the whole conspiracy theory to try and associate people. This tends to happen when you want to design setups that are as fool proof as possible, you want to anticipate how people will try to buddy or bus and how that relates to the setup. I think it is a different way to play and I am trying it out, since it has worked in the cases where I see it being used in RL games. If experience tells you guys its bad play, I welcome you guys to show me.

Deras (Leaning Town)
Although content wise I see little contribution and considering the early lurking-like behaviour, I see his attempt to contribute and his acknowledgement that his behaviour has been objectively bad as a sign of town behavior. Keeping a close eye on him.

Revenus (Leaning Town)
Rev has not posted much other than to put pressure on Deras and Carey. He suspecting Deras is objective, but considering the difference in experience levels, there seems to be undue focus, especially since Deras has attempted to contribute while Carey is simply not doing so, and he hasn't commented much on others. I look around and it appears that there is some history about his behaviour in other games, (), so he "being in a good mood" may explain a little. His attention appears to be focused on only the lurkers and maybe a bit on fferylit's ISO of GM. Nothing else strongly indicative other than that, so I get a weak townfeel. More reads from him may help.

Mac (Neutral)
Mac has only two posts which provided very brief reads, I have null. I must say, replacing in must be hard, with all that catching up to do.

GM (Manipulative Scummy)
In her posts I see a very selective appeal to reasoning, as Fro's behaviour does not really justify him being voted over Carey. Moreover, when Eye Urn attempted to resolve a possible misunderstanding, she did not respond in time, leading me to suspect that she's deliberately playing on Fro's rather newbie posts. Too focused on the behaviour on one person and not paying attention to another. The back and forth that took place between her and Fro also does not help her case. A very strong association between her and Fro, and fferylit is hot on their tail, and GM's rather flimsy reasoning leads me to believe there's a lot happening there. GM's playing real hard on the manipulation.

Carey (Foolhardy Scummy)
Carey has not posted anything useful, period. His strange attempts to dismiss others also comes across as really foolhardy to me, not making sense both as scum or town. If he does not give a good post the next time we see him, I will put my vote on him.

It's hard for me to pin down whether GM or Carey is "scummier", they're different kinds of scummy IMO.
User avatar
AlexisTay3
AlexisTay3
Townie
User avatar
User avatar
AlexisTay3
Townie
Townie
Posts: 19
Joined: March 18, 2013

Post Post #134 (isolation #13) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:51 am

Post by AlexisTay3 »

*slight correction to above post, it should be "Rev > Mac". That is all.
User avatar
AlexisTay3
AlexisTay3
Townie
User avatar
User avatar
AlexisTay3
Townie
Townie
Posts: 19
Joined: March 18, 2013

Post Post #151 (isolation #14) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:48 am

Post by AlexisTay3 »

Spoiler: response to AT3
AlexisTay3 wrote:His direct answers to GM's subtle attack at his overreaction strengthen my townfeel for him(see post ).

NO. NO. Not a "subtle attack", sorry. "That's interesting" means "I want to go back and look at that in the context of future posts." It doesn't mean "that's scummy" or "that's wrong."

I see that just like GM, she's not giving a lot of pressure to heavy and recalcitrant lurkers esp Carey, who at least as far as my newbie opinion goes, shouldn't be behaving as such in this game. I, however, feel that
this may be her having anticipated such play from said players,
being more experienced,
so the overall read is also very town.

WHAT.


WHAT.

GM (Manipulative Scummy)
1. In her posts I see a very selective appeal to reasoning, as Fro's behaviour does not really justify him being voted over Carey.
2. Moreover, when Eye Urn attempted to resolve a possible misunderstanding, she did not respond in time, leading me to suspect that she's deliberately playing on Fro's rather newbie posts.
3. Too focused on the behaviour on one person and not paying attention to another.
4. The back and forth that took place between her and Fro also does not help her case.
5. A very strong association between her and Fro, and fferylit is hot on their tail, and GM's rather flimsy reasoning leads me to believe there's a lot happening there.
6. GM's playing real hard on the manipulation.

1. I'm not voting Carey because he's not going to care. I have one vote, there are better things to do with it than try to policy lynch less than a week into a game.
2. Or I have a life outside of MafiaScum. I have yet to hear from Fro whether Fe was correct in his interpretation.
3. Just because I post a lot about one person doesn't mean I'm not watching all the others. Plus tunneling is a valid part of site meta (if I were tunneling) (which I'm not) (if you want to see tunneling I'll try and find a game which I recall was terrifyingly tunnelly) (found it) (take a special look at ThunderHog, captaineddie, and somewhat Zaicon for examples of tunneling) and typically done by Town (though not always) (ThunderHog was Scum in that game).
4. Elaborate.
5. I don't think I understand what you're trying to say here.
6. lol

Also it greatly interests me how similar your readslist is to Fe's and ffffffff's.


With all due respect, seeing as how my bad language has left you confused,

On the "subtle attack", I suppose I'll be looking back at that too. Whatever you call it, I was simply using it to justify my point that Fro feels towny based on how he repsonded really quickly to the notes you made of his posts to be interesting.

About the "being more experienced", I was attributing the fact that you don't pay attention to Carey, bears similarities to how ffery also seems to not mention Carey much, seeing as you two are both more experienced with players like him. Nothing scummy about that, but "interesting" as you put it. I saw ffery make an attempt to bring out Carey by asking him directly, whereas you didn't, so I made the distinction. Maybe he really isn't worth it, that's why I prefer voting him anyway.

1. I hear you, but I'm still going to point it out, especially since Carey could well be doing the exact thing ffery say he's doing, and you're just letting him do it.

2. Fair enough, I took a big step forward on that one.

3. Tunneling is fair, but it is still worth pointing out to see what you had to say about it.

4, 5, 6. I pointed out the exchanges you and Fro had, and included ffery in the picture because I believe that there's something going on between the three of you. She's voting you, while you're voting Fro. I see that you find the reference to manipulation strange, but that was what I was referring to.

I went through the same whole thread, and tried to find patterns, so I find it reasonable that people come to similar conclusions.

Anyway, I'm trying to see how people divide their attention and follow up on each other and come up with something useful from there, so it makes me repeat certain things you guys say. I promise I'll get better at hunting.
User avatar
AlexisTay3
AlexisTay3
Townie
User avatar
User avatar
AlexisTay3
Townie
Townie
Posts: 19
Joined: March 18, 2013

Post Post #152 (isolation #15) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:52 am

Post by AlexisTay3 »

on 4,5,6: *to clarify, the "mainpulation" refers to the voting pattern.
User avatar
AlexisTay3
AlexisTay3
Townie
User avatar
User avatar
AlexisTay3
Townie
Townie
Posts: 19
Joined: March 18, 2013

Post Post #155 (isolation #16) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:05 am

Post by AlexisTay3 »

I sense hostility. I admit, it was reckless of me to put it forth so hard.
User avatar
AlexisTay3
AlexisTay3
Townie
User avatar
User avatar
AlexisTay3
Townie
Townie
Posts: 19
Joined: March 18, 2013

Post Post #158 (isolation #17) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:03 am

Post by AlexisTay3 »

I am fully aware of those ideas you mentioned. I'm not worried about going after someone "so hard". I'm just really thrown off by GM's hostility.
Locked