Micro 152 - BSG Mafia (Galactica Survives?)

[pitoli]

Oh hey there :3

Vote: Sotty

[pitoli]

Oh hey there :3

Vote: Sotty

Wagon FF please

So this is not a random vote.

Why?

Why can't wagons be random?

[pitoli]

Gut read on ffery – town. Thinking she might seem “less engaged” or proactive because she’s tired of talking to Orc, and being put on the defensive here.

Leaning town on Orc, I’ve never really seen such aggressive honing right out of the gate but he at least seems precise about where he’s pulling evidence. I don’t see it as flopping on scumreads; it’s him wanting to get as many reactions as possible early in the game - seems legit.

Personally I’m liking Buldermar for scum, only because he keeps going on about how valuable Ffery’s going to be. It feels like he’s defending her experience/ability rather than her posts right now.

In response to Orc – I’m newbtown. This is my fourth forum game ever. So thanks – I’ll take that wagon as constructive criticism not to post fluff ever. I still don’t think that warrants so many votes though – a stupid post is not the same as a scummy post. I want to say there’s scum on my wagon, but not sure; either way the votes are weak.

[pitoli]

Also: I will try to check in more often (uni is busy, please have mercy). Wasn’t expecting this many posts right away. I will replace out if I can’t contribute more to this game.

[pitoli]

@Deltabacon
Can you offer any new evidence on ffery since your vote is still on her? Or any other reads you have.
IMO, it looks like you might have sheeped Orc.

[pitoli]

Personally I’m liking Buldermar for scum, only because he keeps going on about how valuable Ffery’s going to be. It feels like he’s defending her experience/ability rather than her posts right now.

Pitoli's wagon is shit.

Not sure you've said that enough times...

Do you think I would have gotten this many votes if you hadn't voted me as a reaction test?


@SafetyDance: Welcome!

[pitoli]

I'm very apprehensive of how quickly we got to L-1 on ffery. The last few pages have been weird honestly and hard for me to read a la ffery's and buldermar's new cases. I like that buldermar at least unvoted whilst not backing down from his position, that makes him seem more town to me than anything else he's done.

Lurker and Nero just seem opportunistic to me, I'd be willing to lynch either of them until they become more open with their reads/reactions to the last couple of pages.

@Sryrana - what made you change your vote so quickly?

@Ffery - I feel like town should fight harder against their own mislynch since you're at least confirmed to yourself, no matter how great your doubts are on another town-looking mislynch. Do you think your lynch would provide the town with the most information?

Never watched BSG so I really don't get the references/significance of claiming Kara, I think that particular point is moot.

[pitoli]

Also UNVOTE:

No use in voting someone who isn't here.

[pitoli]

Hey guys, just posting quickly after skimming the thread again.

I've got a project due later tonight, after which you can expect updates on my reads, however murky.

[pitoli]

I know I said I would like to policy someone before, but I don't think lynching Lurker would give us a whole lot of information regardless of what he flips.

I'd be more okay with the suggested Syryana lynch today since his quickly voting fferylit and then buldermar in the span of one page - yeah that was tripping all sorts of alarms in my head. I think Syr didn't want to look like he was backing down on his possible ffery "investigation", but voted buldermar when he saw the chance. In regards to the ffery+Syryana team, eh it's a bit of a reach. I can't seem to put my finger on why, but ffery's posts still seem to lean town.

But I never like trying to call the scumteam on day one because probability says you're always going to be horribly, horribly off.

[pitoli]

Syryana, my scumread on you was based on what I saw as your inexplicably floppy votes (ffery #276, and buldemar #313) since you offered zero justification at the time. You had built enough of a case on ffery and I didn't see the next page as warranting your sudden change of heart. I could see ffery's Kara claim as preventing you from wanting to lynch her immediately, but to change your read on her completely?

I'm less suspicious now that you have supplied a (kind of) plausible reason for the switch, but I'm hardly ready to call you town just because "only stupid/sloppy scum would make such a move" as you seem to suggest.

I'm not testing the waters. What do you want me to say? I'm sorry that my reads aren't more concrete? I tend to be a very reserved player and will second-guess myself, especially around more experienced players (such as yourselves), and unless I'm more sure, I don't feel like voting.

Vote Count 1.15

buldermar [2/5] - Lurker, SafetyDance
fferyllt [2/5] - Deltabacon, Nero
Nero [2/5] - fferyllt, buldermar
Lurker [1/5] - orcinus_theoriginal
pitoli [1/5] - Syryana

Pacifists (Not Voting): pitoli

-Angry P

[pitoli]

Trust begets paranoia - fferyllt trusts orcinus, orcinus is paranoid about it
Trust begets paranoia - buldermar / fferyllt, not sure trust is the right word for buldermar's starting point, but the wking eventually made me paranoid
paranoia begets paranoia - fferyllt / buldermar, my paranoia about buldermar was reciprocated in spades
paranoia begets trust - buldermar / fferyllt buldermar's reactions to my going after him finally give me something resembling a town read

That's actually really helpful, thank you.

Was surprised that orcinus jumped as hard as he did over SD FoSing her for the post.

Honestly... I didn't realize SafetyDance was FoSing me... I thought he was criticizing my commitment/noob playing. Silly me again I guess.

[pitoli]

pitoli, what do you think of Nero?

What do I think of Nero? I'm confused whether he's actually motivated by his wincondition or not. The occasional non-trollish post by him isn't actually meant to be helpful; it looks more self-preservatory from this angle. I do think it's something scum Nero would do to push the policy lynch onto Lurker.

[pitoli]

After reading ff's claim and thinking about it, I decided that it's unlikely to be made up. Bulder's probably gonna shit on me for this, but I don't see scumFF dropping a name like Kara when pretending to be a VT. My first thought was "Kara Thrace, VT, lolnowai". Kat, Dualla, Callie, hell even Tori or Ellen Tigh would be a better name drop for a VT. She goes with Kara though, and the more I thought about it the less sense a scum VT claim would use Kara makes. Claim a PR or claim an obvious VT role, but claiming a great possible PR name and claiming VT makes zero sense from a scum perspective.

It makes perfect sense if it prevents you from getting lynched, which is what it presently seems to do. I'm inclined to just disregard it, but I find the fact that she's trying to use it as a town-tell on herself troublesome.

Though in general I agree that someone using the excuse that "I'd never do something that dumb as scum, so I must be town" is pretty alarming, it's honestly your presence in the game that moves me to think it's genuine. I don't see FFscum making a move like that when she

knows

you'd be all over her for it. Yes, it's still a WIFOM argument; we could go at this all day and not convince each other. I'm getting a gut town read from it though so I'd prefer not to lynch FF at this time.

A lot of arguments regarding scumtells can be boiled down to WIFOM; but this one in particular I do not like. How do you know I would be on ffery's case for it as opposed to the other players here?

Hmm. It bugged me that you didn't vote me after making a case against me. Going back and seeing your only game on site, I see it's your style to not vote anyone until you're sure they're scum.

I'm sorry you don't have more meta to crosscheck me against. Actually, for my only game here that didn't get wiped out completely by server crash (Newbie 1176), I was scum. So you can toss that out.

[pitoli]

A lot of arguments regarding scumtells can be boiled down to WIFOM; but this one in particular I do not like. How do you know I would be on ffery's case for it as opposed to the other players here?

Um, I was talking about buldermar.

Oh gotcha. For some reason I thought all of #640 was directed at me, lol.

I'm sorry you don't have more meta to crosscheck me against. Actually, for my only game here that didn't get wiped out completely by server crash (Newbie 1176), I was scum. So you can toss that out.

How many Mafia games have you played, roughly?

Completed three forum games; one as town and two as mafia.
I play often in real life but get bored quickly.

[pitoli]

A lot of arguments regarding scumtells can be boiled down to WIFOM; but this one in particular I do not like. How do you know I would be on ffery's case for it as opposed to the other players here?

Um, I was talking about buldermar.

Oh gotcha. For some reason I thought all of #640 was directed at me, lol.

EBWODP:

#640

#599

[pitoli]

SafetyDance is leaning scum... I initially thought he was town because scum wouldn't want to jump into a game so aggressively - it'd be much easier to fly under the radar as Sotty had been doing before replacement. I'm more annoyed at the noise he added to the thread, and am inclined to think this could be a smokescreen of sorts? I don't buy that he's getting null reads on me and Syryana simply for lack of posts (Deltabacon I understand).

We're not lynching Orc today. Do you even have a case, SD?

[pitoli]

So how would you characterize your town play versus your scum play?

I don't think I have a handle on what my forum play looks like yet, or what I want it to look like. But like most people, I try to play them similarly. As either faction I'm quiet and I'll let others talk over me, that's just indicative of my personality really - not making waves. As town I can be insecure in my reads, I rely a lot on intuition (this is simpler in real life), and I find building wagons difficult. I'm slow to vote and sometimes, this makes me scummy; other times, this makes people think I'm softclaiming an investigative role or something. As scum I feel more license to throw my vote around/be more aggressive, and I'll make the conscious effort to look paranoid. As both I get accused of being handwavy a lot, which as a self-critique I'd have to say is accurate.

But does this line of questioning actually lead anywhere? Do you really think as scum I wouldn't WIFOM the shit out of this or just blatantly make things up?

[pitoli]

Christ. Will you stop complaining about the amount of posts in thread or replace out.

[pitoli]

Christ. Will you stop complaining about the amount of posts in thread or replace out.

Or we could lynch him!

Tempting.

[pitoli]

lynching safety today's a bad idea js

VOTE: Nero

This is obvs better.

[pitoli]

So Lurker > Nero right now because he's even more null?

[pitoli]

Tbh I want the day to be over because my reads are getting more flip floppy, not more confirmed, the longer we go

[pitoli]

Close, I read until page ten, and about the last 5 pages.

The rest is a grey area.

Seems legit.

[pitoli]

SD has posted some genuinely hinky stuff. I'm interested in reading what he posts tomorrow.

Considering the thread in its current lull, I hope we can get to tomorrow.

[pitoli]

CAN WE PLEASE JUST LYNCH ff ALREADY?

This post looks fed up and frustrated.

That's exactly how I feel as well.

But, it does at least look like town frustration. I don't think I've ever seen someone this certain I'm scum and wrong before. Well, maybe once, but the guy had a lot of issues.

orc, vote me please, and I'll hammer.

Is this a bluff??

[pitoli]

Fery, were there any connections between players that you picked up on that'd be good to check tomorrow? Anything from subtle to blatant

[pitoli]

Fery, were there any connections between players that you picked up on that'd be good to check tomorrow? Anything from subtle to blatant

The main thing I picked up was that neither you nor SD had a scum read on me. It looked like distancing.

In truth I thought your paranoia always made you look rather town...

[pitoli]

I never know what to make of the reactions you get after a townie dies.

[pitoli]

My hackles raise at what I perceive as reverse cheerleading, but the twilight mechanic makes it almost inevitable that there will be posts like that. And I've been surprised how many players reverse-cheerlead in recent games.

Could you explain, I'm not familiar with the term, and can't find it on google.

Ah fuck gonna be late to class...

[pitoli]

Why would buldermar act like that after you turned town?

There's absolutely no point to continue acting like town for such an extended period of time.

Why why why where is the motivation

Scum defending a lynch.


Fuck.

Act like what? I'd point out where you're wrong, but I don't even get what the fuck it is you're convinced that you're seing.

Act like you were right to push the lynch, despite fery's town flip.

[pitoli]

My hackles raise at what I perceive as reverse cheerleading, but the twilight mechanic makes it almost inevitable that there will be posts like that. And I've been surprised how many players reverse-cheerlead in recent games.

Could you explain, I'm not familiar with the term, and can't find it on google.

Ah fuck gonna be late to class...

Classic cheerleading is things like reacting to a daybreak post with something like "good work doc", "awesome vig work" etc.* Reverse cheerleading is being vocal about being sad or disappointed by something going wrong for town.

Oh. Yes this happens. I want to punch every one of my friends that blurts this as mafia IRL games.

[pitoli]

Jesus Christ, it's like you can't even take eight hours to go sleep around here. I leave you people alone and there's a dead person by the time I get back. For shame.

We had eight days left on deadline, you people couldn't have waited or even given things a bit more thought?

I think the votes were just cast in the interest of gathering information as quickly as possible.

[pitoli]

I will say all of this makes me want to play ffery when she's scum, sometime.

[pitoli]

Miller: Gets investigated as guilty on a cop result.
Neighbor: Usually a group that can talk. Usually is T/Sk or T/Scum on rare occasions it's T/T.

Which makes me think SD is the other neighbor which maybe can explain Syr's vote on SD.

I don't get why that would affect Syr's vote...
I think it's more likely due to the SafetyDance lynch that was happening before the Ffery flashwagon, and it's not like the two flips changed his mind in any way.

[pitoli]

SD's most recent post (#775) held a promise to Ffery to clarify some things after catching up. I could be keen to vote SafetyDance too, but I want to hear more from him. Specifically now that Ffery's flipped town, I wonder if he is more convinced of either Orc or Bulder being scum.

[pitoli]

I've never played a game with Neighbors but can we even be sure of the setup right now? We don't know how many neighbors there are or what their alignments are...

I haven't read the thread, but going by Nero's ISO. I'm likely thinking that SD could have been the other neighbor.

Ah I see what you're saying now.

[pitoli]

Leave Pitoli alive for now. I'm good with Lurker or Buld. Lurker over Buld.

How can you possibly have come to any conclusions of who would be good to lynch if you haven't even read through the thread?

[pitoli]

Fery was wrong about SD.

VOTE: Pitoli

Bad Orcinus.

[pitoli]

'Cause I'm going to reread it later. I think.

As I said I'm somewhat wondering if SD is scum based on the neighborhood pairing and Nero flipping Miller, but there's a chance it could be T/T which I have heard is rare.

As for last setups Buld. Ap did a mini that had masons running around, but not sure about his micros.

I do take NK analysis very serious and I'm kinda sure you Pit is town.

30+ pages is a lot for a Day 1 and I'm busy with school, but I'm willing to reread on Friday or Sat.

I do find it alarming from what I did see that Orc was WK'ing Buld and today he's okay to lynch Buld off the NK.

As much as I like people who call me town, I hope you're not basing that purely off of Nero's ISO, that's just insane!!

I don't think Orc whiteknighted anyone... It seemed like yesterday him/Buldermar had some sort of functional coalition to decide who to lynch, but that's far from saying he whiteknighted him or even thought him obvtown.

[pitoli]

Checking in after quick readthrough. More tomorrow.

[pitoli]

I'm a good-looking guy named Lee Adama, I'm a prodigal son. Then there is a bunch of info about my awesome father whom I get into trouble with frequently.

I'll popcorn pitoli for you

My flavor is Karl Agathon. Callsign "Helo". I have a hot wife.

Is there any rhyme or reason to the order of this popcorn?

Popcorn Syryana.

[pitoli]

Where's that case, Orc?

[pitoli]

I also don't like how she popcorned syryana before lurker. Why Syr, she's so incredibly town at this point?

This is bullshit. When you started the popcorn you should have explained the order you wished it to go in, and at least conferred with other players about the order. If the intent was to go from the most scummy -> least scummy then why did you start with Buldermar instead of me if I'm your suspect ATM?

[pitoli]

I'm giving Mala a scum lean for making weird statements, taking them back, and generally being all over the place.
But not sure if voting her while technically V/LA is alright.

[pitoli]

I'm giving Mala a scum lean for making weird statements, taking them back, and generally being all over the place.
But not sure if voting her while technically V/LA is alright.

Funny that you would mention this now that I've just declared my intentions of voting Mala as opposed to mentioning it at any time prior to this. And funny how similar your reason looks to the one I gave.

I was going to put my vote on her yesterday (calendar day), but I thought it was in poor taste to try to pressure/lynch someone who isn't here to defend themselves. I thought it was fine to speak up on that point after seeing more posts from Mala.

Mala, what kind of V/LA are you on that allows you to post so frequently? Why are you on V/LA at all?

[pitoli]

I'm giving Mala a scum lean for making weird statements, taking them back, and generally being all over the place.
But not sure if voting her while technically V/LA is alright.

Funny that you would mention this now that I've just declared my intentions of voting Mala as opposed to mentioning it at any time prior to this. And funny how similar your reason looks to the one I gave.

Excellent point.

Pedit: Buld, Bill Adama is the biggest baddest m-fer in the whole show. If Mala really is him, she's a town PR.

Err... by that logic, shouldn't Ffery have been a PR too? And maybe even Buld could be one.

[pitoli]

I don't understand why Orc as scum would want to suddenly stop giving a frak, I mean after Day 1 ended it looked like he had enough power to lead next day's lynch.

[pitoli]

As much as I like people who call me town, I hope you're not basing that purely off of Nero's ISO, that's just insane!!

You won't like me then. You're scum.
VOTE: pitoli

I have my reasons for this, which involve pitoli/me ISO and I will disclose in due course. I want to see orc's reasons first though.

You can do this first

Going back through pitoli ISO...

Got a bad vibe off her early with the terrible RVS wagon comment.

I get why it was a stupid comment (you people won't stop reminding me), but I'm perplexed with the way it's been painted throughout this thread. More than a few people have referred to it like it was the obvious beginnings of some scum tactic or conspiracy.

I don't like her #576 where she says she didn't know SD was FoSing her. It just kinda comes off as "lol I'm a silly noob ignore me" post.

This should be nullified since SafetyDance

confirmed

his post WAS NOT a FOS, nor aggression against me. It was a post addressed to the entire town. I interpreted it correctly,

and you're giving me scum points for it?

As much as I like people who call me town, I hope you're not basing that purely off of Nero's ISO, that's just insane!!

Nero ISO makes her town? Where the hell did she get this from? Nobody was talking about her being town with Nero ISO.

Okay this is probably my misread. This was after Mala had said multiple times she hadn't read through the thread. For some reason I thought the first and only ISO she had gone through up to that point was Nero's, since he was the nightkill. After rereading this is not the case. I still think reading only a player's ISOs doesn't give you the best context for a read.

[pitoli]

Okay Syr did you just pull that case out of your ass be honest.

It seemed way too easy for Orc to start talking you out of it for it to have been genuine.

[pitoli]

Both of you shhhhhh right now

We're all town here

Lurker->SD->Malakittens

Victory

Go.

Mmm. I didn't like that Syr kept asking for your case before presenting his

[pitoli]

Is the movie/series that the flavor is based on one about good/evil or some sort of two faculties that could easily be converted to this context?

BSG is about two factions: humans and Cylons. The Cylons are humanoid robots made by the humans, and they blew the shit out of the human colonies. The show is about the tiny human fleet traveling through space fleeing the Cylons with only the Battlestar Galactica for protection. However, it gets a bit murky near the end cause there end up being Cylons that help the humans and humans that help the Cylons and humans that end up being Cylons but help the humans anyways and all sorts of weird shit.

This is also why I'm highly suspicious of SD's claim. His character isn't even FROM the show, it's from a completely different one called Caprica, which was a terrible offshoot of BSG some couple of years later. This one was set way before the events of BSG. Shame on FuriousFalcon for even putting her in here if SD isn't lying, shame on SD for picking such a terrible flavor claim if he is.

P.S.: Mala, who are your scumreads?

I've been thinking about this... What does it mean for characters like Galen and Saul, who are Ceylon but loyal to the humans as well? We can assume that their flavor makes them town?

[pitoli]

T->S: SafetyDance, Lurker, Malakittens

I don't feel great about this voting bloc because it didn't work that well for you yesterday. Also because I don't particularly trust Syr.
I'll be honest, I'm willing to follow you on Lurker partly because I feel guilty about having picked the wrong policy yesterday.

[pitoli]

Yes, I most

certainly

am lining up lynches.

Let's town bloc and lynch our way through the remaining player list. I have strong town reads on all three of you and if I am wrong, I will gladly take all the blame for the game's loss. I don't think I am though.

Anyone else agree with how fitting his Roslin flavor claim is right now...

[pitoli]

@Mala: All parts of SD's neighbor claim (#1003) and flavor struck me as genuine.

If he was scum, intuition tells me he would have picked a character from BSG as a flavor claim, there's no reason to go out of the way and choose a name that obviously sticks out. Scum wants to blend in so I can't imagine why SD would construct such a fakeclaim. There were certainly a lot of characters left from BSG (prominent, main characters at that) to choose from.

[pitoli]

If it's about Pitoli putting a nickname in her claim it's weak as hell

The name on my role PM actually reads "HELO AGATHON."

When I claimed I claimed his full name since I had started watching the first season of BSG last week and it was fresh in my head ><

[pitoli]

T->S: SafetyDance, Lurker, Malakittens

I don't feel great about this voting bloc because it didn't work that well for you yesterday. Also because I don't particularly trust Syr.
I'll be honest, I'm willing to follow you on Lurker partly because I feel guilty about having picked the wrong policy yesterday.

1). We didn't have a voting bloc today.
2). Syr is about 500x townier than you.
3). We didn't policy vote yesterday.
4). That's a shitty reason to vote.

1) As far as I'm concerned, you/ffery/buldermar yesterday was nearly a voting bloc.
2) I hope you're right about him.
3) I didn't say we did.
4) I meant that you were right about Nero, so I'm giving more consideration to lynches you lead from now on.

[pitoli]

Very well. I'm tired, so I'll be brief.

The scum are pitoli and orcinus. They're the only ones whose flavor claims don't match their genders.

In that case Malakittens is scum with us.

Because Adama Sr. ain't female which is what she has in her profile

[pitoli]

Very well. I'm tired, so I'll be brief.

The scum are pitoli and orcinus. They're the only ones whose flavor claims don't match their genders.

In that case Malakittens is scum with us.

Because Adama Sr. ain't female which is what she has in her profile

EBWODP:

Lol ignore this post. I forgot she replaced in.

[pitoli]

Okay I changed my mind. Putting my vote here because I wouldn't forgive myself if he got away as scum.

VOTE: Lurker

[pitoli]

Sorry guys for the absence. Reading up now.

And I'm a vanilla townie

[pitoli]

The scum team is Buldermar and pitoli. I am a rolecop, and Buldermar is a 1-shot ninja. Yeah, I didn't know what that was until yesterday either.

I would like to apologize for my anti-town play yesterday. My reasoning was that as long as I played myself to be bad enough to be not night killed, I would be able to enter lylo with two conftowns (myself and my investigative target). I did breadcrumb my role and ill go fish it up right now. This is also why I backed off fery after she claimed--I wanted to use my night action on her.

Orc, why couldn't you wait to hear everybody claim?

I'm not entirely sure how breadcrumbs are supposed to work but yours isn't convincing.

[pitoli]

I did read about the role on MW. Where did you get that otherwise?

Oh and watch this.

A Ninja is a role or role modifier such that the Ninja will never be seen as targeting anyone by a Tracker, Watcher, or other investigative role along these lines. It has been likened to the Tracker/Watcher equivalent to Godfather.
Ninja is not necessarily aligned against the Town,

but that's what happens in practice.

Oh now you did read about the role on MW? So why did you not answer that initially but instead insisted that you asked a friend about it?

It doesn't matter that it's an anti-town role if it's still town-aligned. The argument is that you'd have asked me to claim when you know that it is possible for town to be a ninja. You have just admitted to have read about the role on MW where it clearly states that it can be town-aligned, yet you didn't wait for my claim. You're so full of shit.

I agree he should have waited for claims, but is that automatically something only scum would do?
I can't believe that's the extent of your case on Orc...

[pitoli]

Re SD: It doesn't even matter at this point. I have all the information necessary to make the right lynches. All that remains is convincing you guys to do the same. No I did not have any further crumbs, but the speed at which I came out with you being a neighbor should be definitive. That being said, why exactly are you claiming VT when your role is actually a neighbor?

I don't know. The two are effectively the same, but that sort of makes me feel like you are scum that doesn't want to say their actual role and going with the run-of-the-mill fakeclaim.

Actually guys don't hammer buldermar just yet. I need to figure out who it is between SD and Pitoli.

If your only reason that it can't be a Mala/Buld scumteam is because she was at the bottom of his T/S list yesterday... I don't like it. Skimming back through his posts, I don't even think he was pushing her lynch that hard.

If Buldermar is scum, the only player he can't be teamed with (without reasonable doubt) is you.

[pitoli]

SD/Mala sheeeeeep

We have over a week to process information yet you are trying to get us to rush this. And why can't Mala be Bulder's partner?

Oh and I forgot this in the last post--Buldermar is confscum to me right now, so I don't want anyone else to claim. That would just be giving unnecessary information to Buldermar to influence his night action

I am trying to rush this. Because I know who's scum in this game and my goal right now is to make that lynch happen before you all drink too much of Buldermar's soup.

Clearly scum-you wouldn't want us to think all that hard before voting, you'd just want to make us confident enough we've got this won to blindly follow a PR claim.

[pitoli]

It has to be Mala with either Orc or Bulder... more likely Orc obviously because of the sheeping. But Buld/Mala makes sense provided that Mala has decent confidence of surviving 3-way LYLO and killing her partner is a necessary evil to get there, especially with the way Orc came out of the gate at day start and made it seem rather inevitable

[pitoli]

SD could be scum hesitating to hammer on Buldermar but it's hard for me to wrap my head around because he's had the least connections/overlap anyone alive in the game, both in scumreads and voting patterns.

[pitoli]

...so why aren't you voting Bulder?

Not sure between the two right now.

[pitoli]

Mala, why haven't you claimed yet.

[pitoli]

I did. I'm a VT who tried to softclaim doc to keep the NK off Orci.

Yes, I think the crumbs were there as early as Day 2 but I didn't know what to make of them. A doctor softclaim is always suspect in my opinion as it goes against the role's desire to remain under the radar, and when scum does it it's a way of buddying town. I'm still kind of pissed that you didn't claim yesterday like the rest of us, but whatever.

[pitoli]

I'm not scum with Buld and interactions between us should prove that. He basically tunneled me from my entrance post and then did things to make me deliberately rage and that to me is something scum would do in order to make someone look emotional to attempt to lynch them.

It's not hard to reconcile yesterday's interactions with a scum-Mala, and they certainly don't

prove

your innocence. What we got from you yesterday didn't start as town outrage at scummy accusations against you, it started as outrage at accusations of cheating. What I mean is that anyone - town or scum - could have gotten annoyed the way you did... that's not a reaction you would have had to fake to look genuine. Scum would be especially mad if their partner was sniping them out of the gate for no apparent reason than to look like they were scumhunting. And I definitely wouldn't put it past Buld to buss his partner to cement himself as obvtown for LYLO. In fact since the flip it seems more and more possible.

The other thing is that SD had these nasty shouting matches with Buld too so we're going to have to figure out which set of interactions were scum on scum.

Why would looking at vote counts not be an option at this point, SD -_____- I think they're perfectly viable and that's probably what I was going to do next after skimming ISOs

[pitoli]

If you would never breadcrumb as an actual doctor... then how did you expect to be believed in the first place? And "I always breadcrumb as VT" yeah then that sounds like a perfect thing to do as scum too.

And the cheating thing - I'm not bringing it up because I actually think you cheated (I don't), but because it's part of your interactions with Buld. It's not a whole another thing because you're using your reactions to accusations as a case for why you are town.

[pitoli]

Welp, looks like I'm coming to the party pretty late. I just want to apologize to everybody for my inactivity in the last days. The end of the game fell around my exams period and was literally the last thing on my mind... that was negligence on my part for not being able to give the role more effort.

Buld, I thought you were rather brilliant.

Congrats to town!

[pitoli]

To everybody saying how deer in headlights I was all game... I honestly think I could have played that way as town, but I really had difficulty faking all reads. T_____T I need to stop rolling scum in every new game I pick up.

[pitoli]

The only thing I was confused about in terms of balance though was having both investigative roles be of the same alignment. But meh

Great setup and thanks for modding AP (:

[pitoli]

I think that contributed to why I cared so little about the game, I figured my lynch was all but inevitable Day 4 the moment Orc came forward with his investigation results.