Micro 152 - BSG Mafia (Galactica Survives?)

[SafetyDance]

Unvote

Hi guys, I'd like to post. SLOW THE FUCK DOWN. Trying to catch up here is absolutely crazy. SERIOUSLY.

buldermar 126
fferyllt 125
orcinus_theoriginal 99
Nero 31
Syryana 9
pitoli 8
Deltabacon 7
Lurker 6
Sotty7 5

LOOK AT THAT! Crazy. You three are spamming the thread and stifling discussion and hiding anything others have to stay. STOP IT. It will not help us. FFS, there's 11 days left.

Here, will post a bigger post soon but seriously, calm down, go to sleep or walk the dog or something and then come back and post in the thread. Wtf is with all the pages and quote-walls. Try to stop please, excess of anything is never good. I'm trying to read them but I'd be lying if I didn't say most is probably gone through one ear and out the next. I'm going to have to re-read. It's too much and is hindering reads (if I feel this way then I expect others to be the same having to trawl through 300 posts from the same players).

To start, can ALL three of you (orcinus, ffery, bulder) NOW please

summarise

what the hell was/is going on, what outcome was achieved out of it all and what your stance is now on ffery (and the others)? Preferably in an easy to read as possible manner so we can find it easily and then MOVE ON. There is no prize for answering this the quickest either, fyi.

Thank you.

[SafetyDance]

LOOK AT THAT! Crazy. You three are spamming the thread and stifling discussion

and hiding anything others have to stay.

STOP IT. It will not help us. FFS, there's 11 days left.

You've got to be fucking kidding me. I want to insult you so badly that I'm going to refrain from doing it in fear of being modkilled.

Bring it on princess.

The entire other player base, heck even the mod, COMBINED doesn't have equal posts to you lot. HOW IS HAVING TO ISO EVERYONE ELSE JUST TO FIND THEIR POSTS CONDUCIVE TO TRYING TO FIND SCUM? Riddle me that one Batman.

Kindly use your hands for something more useful than instructing us to do something less useful.

If you're capable and not trying to be anti-town, it would be extremely fucking useful for someone like you who seems to adopt an "quantity over quality" mantra to actually give us a summarised post of your reads and reactions to the other two so we have a god damn clue about everything you think and where the three of you stand.

If you can't understand that then you need to go back and get a refund on your lobotomy.

[SafetyDance]

Vote: Nero

I'm seeing no play here that is pro-town or helpful in anyway.

[SafetyDance]

Bring it on princess.

The entire other player base, heck even the mod, COMBINED doesn't have equal posts to you lot. HOW IS HAVING TO ISO EVERYONE ELSE JUST TO FIND THEIR POSTS CONDUCIVE TO TRYING TO FIND SCUM? Riddle me that one Batman.

You were more useful before you started posting, at least we didn't have anyone attempting to lower the activity further in this game.

My suggestion is that you get your work-shoes on and spend that ~hour it takes reading the thread in its entirety, and that you stop blaming others for your own laziness.

I'm posting aren't I? That means I've read the thread. You could try and be helpful for a change.

Lower activity further? I'm trying to curb a third of the town running riot and spamming up the game and creating giant Quote Walls that are no fucking use. How about you stop being lazy and selfish yourself, learn not to press that submit button every two seconds and actually condense what you want to say into one or two posts.

[SafetyDance]

SD:
I'm universally town read and so is buldermar if you need to sheep, we're good targets

We have two prof lurkers in town, Lurker and Nero.

Fery is an experienced player with a good town game, claimed VT after getting to l-1, I don't want to lynch but buldermar does. I built case first (ill find it later), buldermar argued that fery shouldn't be lynched because she could be a boon to town. We've basically swapped positions since.

This is the thing,

why

? Because all I'm getting from fferyllt is a town read. So why are you two town? And I never blazeningly sheep for the sake of it.

Yeah, I've played with Lurker and lurkers before. I don't like their playstyle.

Vote: Nero

I'm seeing no play here that is pro-town or helpful in anyway.

fwiw I entirely agree with this observation. At least it means that you're genuinely interested in understanding what's going on.

And you didn't get that impression from me trying to ask you guys to simply and organise 300+ posts into coherent statements?

NERO

, don't try to be bullish and throw your weight around. You lurk, you post nonsense all game. Either you start playing properly, with reads and engaging with people or you get lynched and learn quickly you need to change.

Right now the way you are acting is scummy. Ergo, vote.

[SafetyDance]

Buldermar, fery, help me out

Go ISO yourself and pick a few posts that you think are representative of important landmarks in the game. Just a few.

I'm aware that you wont like this, but it's not going to happen. It's a game of 20 pages with 9 players most of which hardly have posted - it's a quick read and he can just quit being lazy. If he has questions to specific posts I'm fine with answering them.

Get that rod out of your ass. I've already read the whole thread. It's 3 people walling each other, look at what orc is posting. It's not easy having to read through all that again. It's not lazy to ask for you yourselves to summarise the whole pages. It also helps with reads on yourselves as we can then gauge whether your interpretation of everything is the same as what we think. ITS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING LAZY.

"Its only 20 pages", that more than some games reach at day 3 with 13 players. You three have been posting at a fast rate and you can not tell it is helping. Again, do you think it really helps that those catching up have to ISO the other players not in your ménage trois to remember their posts? No.

[SafetyDance]

Hey guys, just posting quickly after skimming the thread again.

I've got a project due later tonight,

after which you can expect updates on my reads, however murky.

Is this something you find ok? Do you want someone who's hypothetically-town in the game to have "murky" reads that are due to time constraints and having to skim posts? Do you want hypothetical-scum to be able to use "murky" as an excuse for their inaccurate reads?

Asking for help towards clarity, again, is not laziness.

[SafetyDance]

Spoiler:

I expect to get lynched early as town more than is my "normal" at MS, in part because my play style evolved elsewhere and it's going to change as I get used to this site. changes are almost always suspicious in mafia. I think my insistence on earning my reputation here instead of importing it from elsewhere is also going to cause trouble, but I'm ok with that.

Np

It's 1am and I just read through ff's only other scum game. This isn't my summarize case but I'm more convinced than ever that FF is scum.

-Ff seems to be more passive and just seems to be less engaged. This is reflected in how FF dealt with Nero.
-Why did she form such a strong read on me from literally 4 one line RVS posts--but not anyone else? Why hasn't she an opinion on Buldemar, who I assume she has offsite experience with? Where is her vote, her other reads? If she's such a strong town player and her 4 vote take it to the grave read on me isn't out of the ordinary, it's strange that she doesn't have a vote down.
-She's been less confrontational, and have expressed very few (if any?) original ideas
-I dislike the syryana vote on page 2. I don't see the pro-town intentions behind it, I don't like how she didn't follow it up
-The KBW thing still confuses me. Why are you referring to it, since you bought it up in reference to a quicklynch? Day 1 of our game was the furthest thing from a quicklynch, ever.
-She's calling out lurker for "needing more content". Don't you need more content from a lot of people (pitoli, etc)? Why singling out lurker, and this insinuates that you don't need more content on anyone else (or at least have enough to work with). I've yet to see an influx of reads from you

And everything previously mentioned

My reading of FF's game really only gave me one thing (well, three, and I'm going to save the other two for later). She's more mellow as scum. And I think I'm seeing that in her posts in this game.

This is just to jot down stuff, ill make a case with specific quotes tomorrow, but this is basically an outline.

SD: I'm going through the thread and picking out important posts

Read p7 in its entirety, it's important

Why are you basing a lot of your reads of Ff based on meta? Don't you think that's dangerous?
Have you ever had a read of anyone in RVS? I doesn't matter how soon or small the sample size, everyone has reads, however raw.

All early reads are tentative and subject to revision.

This is 100% true. Otherwise game would be boring, static and over quickly if everyone's reads weren't dynamic.

And in the same token too much information is bad and can obfuscate things, someone lurking and providing little-to-no information is bad also. So that's all perfectly valid.

I didn't realize before today just how bad the players aside from the three of us are. If we keep fery around for another day or two, we can get a better and more accurate read. The same cannot be said for the lurkers.

This is just FIGJAM. Just because you three are hyper-posting that does not mean you everyone else is bad. I'm sure deltabacon, Syrana don't think their bad so why mention this.

So to understand your views, you think ff is scum because of meta and you think buld is town and that any vote or suspicion on him is bad? And you've been 2v1ing for most of the week?

Well at least you apparently don't like lurkers either. That's a start.

[SafetyDance]

Hey guys, just posting quickly after skimming the thread again.

I've got a project due later tonight,

after which you can expect updates on my reads, however murky.

Is this something you find ok? Do you want someone who's hypothetically-town in the game to have "murky" reads that are due to time constraints and having to skim posts? Do you want hypothetical-scum to be able to use "murky" as an excuse for their inaccurate reads?

Asking for help towards clarity, again, is not laziness.

Do you normally jump this hard on stuff like this?

I am trying to get my point across.

SD: T->S list and your opinion on a syryana or deltabacon lynch

Scum in: buldermar, fferyllt, orcinus_theoriginal
Possible scum in: nero, Lurker
No idea: pitoli, Deltabacon, Syryana

[SafetyDance]

Buldermar, fery, help me out

Go ISO yourself and pick a few posts that you think are representative of important landmarks in the game. Just a few.

I'm aware that you wont like this, but it's not going to happen. It's a game of 20 pages with 9 players most of which hardly have posted - it's a quick read and he can just quit being lazy. If he has questions to specific posts I'm fine with answering them.

Get that rod out of your ass. I've already read the whole thread. It's 3 people walling each other, look at what orc is posting. It's not easy having to read through all that again. It's not lazy to ask for you yourselves to summarise the whole pages. It also helps with reads on yourselves as we can then gauge whether your interpretation of everything is the same as what we think. ITS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING LAZY.

"Its only 20 pages", that more than some games reach at day 3 with 13 players. You three have been posting at a fast rate and you can not tell it is helping. Again, do you think it really helps that those catching up have to ISO the other players not in your ménage trois to remember their posts? No.

Were I talking to you? No. So stfu.

Vote: buldermar

[SafetyDance]

Depends on my situation with safetydance.

What situation? The one where you start playing? That would be nice. I wont hold your hand though.

[SafetyDance]

Sorry bulder look elsewhere we're PLing today

Sorry Judge Judy but you don't *decide* that the whole town is lynching based on Policy. That is a terrible assumption and with over a week out from deadline is nothing short of ridiculous.

My main problem with Lurker is that I got him mislynched (I was scum, him town) in another game for doing exactly what he's doing here. He's great mislynch material because he lurks all game then under pressure shits out some awful logic. His lurking is about as alignment indicative as Nero's trolling.

From my experience, pressure on Lurker is always a good thing.

Any suggestions on how to make it a more productive and less long-winded game day?

...seriously, calm down, go to sleep or walk the dog or something and then come back and post in the thread.

Not being on mafiascum 18 hours a day helps too. This isn't EpicMafia, you don't have to always be refreshing.

I have a question up-thread for SD about Nero.

Going back...

SD do you have any comment on Nero's intimations about you?

I don't know, I think he's trying to be bullish towards me because I've voted him, think he's play is shit and this is his (shit) way of dealing with it. He's the low-post, egotistical version of others here in the game.

[SafetyDance]

Idk I read his list as tongue in cheek

But if its serious I'm considering voting him

The aggression towards pitoli looks fake and completely unfounded

That and the joke of a list has me wondering

And what the fuck is wrong with it? Nothing. And all of this is a complete misrep.

The post quoting pitoli was addressed to everyone. I don't think I gave a clear indication one way or the other which way my opinion fell and which one I though was the most likely choice. Thus the hypotheticals. There was no aggression towards pitoli there wasn't even a hint of a FOS. So clean your reading glasses.

The list? It's dead-set simple:

Scum in: buldermar, fferyllt, orcinus_theoriginal

I think there's definite scum here because I don't think your reactions to each other are all coming from town.

Possible scum in: nero, Lurker

I don't like these two and their play styles and their lurking and think its scummy (and Nero is scummy for what he posts too) so can see Scum here.

No idea: pitoli, Deltabacon, Syryana

This is basically "null". Why? Because most of their postings and interactions are hidden behind PAGES of posts of others and I don't (or didn't) have a definite read on them. Do you accept null reads from others? So how is this different?

That is how I have grouped the playerlist. I'm sure you have brain capacity to understand this.

[SafetyDance]

Well okay

VOTE: SafetyDance

I love how you list scum inthe three of us and made no effort to push a lynch, or even specify which of us is likely scum, or even list any evidence for why you think our interactions are forced.

I also have no interest in reading your posts which are just you spewing insults on the page. I've tried being nice to you.

You're right why policy when a scum just appeared in front of us

Good lord

I love how you fail TO SEE WHERE MY VOTE IS.

Good work champ. Keep up the delusions, so I should not bother reading your posts as well?

VOTE: orcinus_theoriginal

Oh lol, you've already lied there, what this, not a quoting a post of mine are you?

Hey guys, just posting quickly after skimming the thread again.

I've got a project due later tonight,

after which you can expect updates on my reads, however murky.

Is this something you find ok? Do you want someone who's hypothetically-town in the game to have "murky" reads that are due to time constraints and having to skim posts? Do you want hypothetical-scum to be able to use "murky" as an excuse for their inaccurate reads?

Asking for help towards clarity, again, is not laziness.

"No aggression towards pitoli"

I'm not the only person seeing this right

No you are not.

Then you're both reading it wrong and misinterpreting it. The "you" is directed to everyone, as I explained, otherwise it doesn't make sense. Do you find it acceptable that someone can have those sorts of reads with all this logorrhea that is happening?

You know what's weird about SD?

In all his bile I don't think he's taken a single shot at me.

VOTE: SafetyDance

Yeah iirc he said he had a town read on you in his entrance. But then something changed?

WHAT HAS CHANGED? Tell me, what the fuck in the world has changed. I think there is SCUM (this isn't plural)

BETWEEN

the

THREE

of

YOU

. So if I have a town read on ff that means I think the most likely candidates are.... (I'll let you figure this out since you pretend to be smart)

I don't think anything's changed. But his insults haven't had a "you're scum" tinge to them for the most part.

Aside from his stated town read, it's almost like I'm not here. The posts of mine that he's quoted/responded to are null wrt alignment IMO.

Why are you lying?

Spoiler: proof

Any suggestions on how to make it a more productive and less long-winded game day?

...seriously, calm down, go to sleep or walk the dog or something and then come back and post in the thread.

Not being on mafiascum 18 hours a day helps too. This isn't EpicMafia, you don't have to always be refreshing.

I have a question up-thread for SD about Nero.

Going back...

SD do you have any comment on Nero's intimations about you?

I don't know, I think he's trying to be bullish towards me because I've voted him, think he's play is shit and this is his (shit) way of dealing with it. He's the low-post, egotistical version of others here in the game.

Yeah, I'm with Orcinus on this one. SD's been super aggressive against everyone for no apparent reason.

Blatant contradiction. Nothing in his "in-between" posts justifies this flip-flop. Forgot he originally had FF as townread. Get the rope.

VOTE: SafetyDance

No there isn't. If I think there's scum IN there, between those three player. I just mentioned this above. I don't think they're all town. If ff is my "town" read out of them then I would start suspecting who? Oh, THE PEOPLE I'M VOTED for. Fancy that.

No reason? I gave the same reason as you did in your update post, I did it in my very first post. There's a lot to get through, I'd have liked it if they tried to slow down and that I wanted their reads of the other two and to try and slow down so other players can get into the game. Then they flew out with the negative reactions and buddying each other.

This post looks kind of bad and also counteracts the town read I had that was based on his anger-vote on me.

Oh look a label 'bad' without a reason.

I also find it amusing that you can suddenly town-read someone based on nothing but a vote but not anything they actually say. Would love to hear the logic behind that one too.

[SafetyDance]

And a damn town read or a read leaning town does not equal "THIS PERSON IS 100% TOWN AND I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE IT"

I would expect people here who aren't in their first couple of games to grasp that but I'm starting to wonder.

No he included you in the "list" under "scummy"

I'm putting that in quotations because literally it is too terrible to be the work of even the worst town player.

Like I said his list looks like he just sorted the players according to level of activity. Also, that's an elaborate hidden little insult you have going on there ^^

Touché to both of you if you end up being town as well.

[SafetyDance]

That's a giant backtrack and its so obvious I'm going to let somebody else explain it because I'm off to bed

Really quickly though

In post 511, SafetyDance wrote:
Scum in: buldermar, fferyllt, orcinus_theoriginal

I think there's definite scum here because I don't think your reactions to each other are all coming from town.

--

Why would you put ff under "scum in" if you don't think she was scum? It's like me giving a list that looked like

Scum in: [playerlist]

Your anger looks manufactured and its really not helping your case.

Buld: put him to l-1 or give me your reasons why you aren't

And nice OMGUS try to make it slightly less transparent next time, SD. I enjoy how you didn't address much of my post.

I THINK SHE'S THE MOST TOWN OUT OF YOU THREE. THEREFORE THE TOWN READ. WHAT CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

I don't like her self-meta defence, I think she's borderline trolling here with the "he's ignoring me" bs but I believe her claim and her favor and I don't think she's being particularly scummy out of the three of you and in general. So she's a town read but I think there's scum in that group. She's part of that group.

It's not an OMGUS, its you not even trying to understand what I'm saying and just insulting me for it because you have the others to back you up. You're deliberately misrepping what I say, you're being antagonistic as well and trying to obfuscate as much as what.

I've be addressing your posts constantly, and unlike you I hadn't even made a false claim of not reading them, so explain WHAT else I didn't address.

Not being on mafiascum 18 hours a day helps too. This isn't EpicMafia, you don't have to always be refreshing.

Insulting? Where I grew up playing mafia that's a fistbump. Didn't even register compared to what you've been dishing out elsewhere.

It was a suggestion, you asked for them:

*This is probably the longest D1 of a micro game ever

Any suggestions on how to make it a more productive and less long-winded game day?

(you quoted the wrong post of mine btw, its #644 not #679)

No he included you in the "list" under "scummy"

I'm putting that in quotations because literally it is too terrible to be the work of even the worst town player.

That kinda fits with the 'not here' vibe in a way. I'm almost certainly going to be lynched, though maybe not today. He's distanced himself from that. Nobody else has done so quite that emphatically, except maybe pitoli.

You also didn't read this, SD.

You being insulting? This is irrelevant, it ff still thinking I'm ignoring her. It's a complete fabrication like your claims.

I'll explain either if anyone else is interested, but I'm not doing shit for you.

Lol, and I'm meant to be the insulting one?

SafetyDance is leaning scum... I initially thought he was town because scum wouldn't want to jump into a game so aggressively - it'd be much easier to fly under the radar as Sotty had been doing before replacement. I'm more annoyed at the noise he added to the thread, and am inclined to think this could be a smokescreen of sorts? I don't buy that he's getting null reads on me and Syryana simply for lack of posts (Deltabacon I understand).

We're not lynching Orc today. Do you even have a case, SD?

This is all based on a a post from yesterday. Do you think some of my reads may have changed since then? Are you going to go against everyone else for null reads? I can spend the half an hour it will take going back through the thread and find you others with them, are you going to accuse them too?

I'm not being a supplicant to their little whims and I personally don't enjoy having to read through the complete mass of worthless posting.

The fact that bulder for example, quotes and doesn't even both trimming them to what is relevant to what he is responding to shows he doesn't really care about anything other than his post count and making them look busy.

[SafetyDance]

@SD

You know what's weird about SD?

In all his bile I don't think he's taken a single shot at me.

VOTE: SafetyDance

bile = bad temper
"taken a single shot at me" = thrown an insult my way.

You responded to this with a quote of yours that wasn't insulting.

Though you did call me a liar in your reply

Why are you lying?

so points for that!

I don't understand this even more. So I'm scum for not insulting you? You feel left out or something? Not following your logic there.

I called you a liar because it's true and I showed proof. I was not ignoring you. Otherwise I wouldn't have responded to your posts. But its nice to know you're ignoring that.

safety ain't taking this seriously and is possibly town, a fellow troll can spot an amigo.

Thou take thee derrière and vacate the premises.

[SafetyDance]

Fuck it, why not.

Vote: Lurker

Catching up to your posts ff, will have to wait till tomorrow (real time...to clarify) though.

[SafetyDance]

Here. Posts and things incoming soon.

[SafetyDance]

Holy fucking shit.

Let's see if I can get this in before the logorrhea starts.

fferyllt didn't flip town, she flipped fucking traitor. WHAT LOGIC IS THERE TO HAMMER YOURSELF AS TOWN?!?!?!?!?!? OMFG.

What else is funny? Let's see, oh right - THERE WAS OVER A WEEK TO GO TILL DEADLINE. So what fucking need is there to

vote

hammer yourself?

Pressure? Inevitability? Um no, not with SO MUCH TIME LEFT. People on your wagon: Bacon ~ WHO WAS INACTIVE Nero - A FUCKING TROLL.

"OH WOW, OMG, LIKE SO MUCH PRESSURE, oh woe is me I'm totally getting lynched, I'm going to give up now!"

SD has posted some genuinely hinky stuff. I'm interested in reading what he posts tomorrow.

Spoiler:

VOTE: fferyllt

SD next please.

Spoiler:

You are so self-centered it is unbelievable. It's not all about you princess, it's not. And holy fucking shit, just because someone is talking to others who are talking to them, does not mean they are ignoring you and distancing from a bad wagon. Which is more self-centered delusions of importance.

Which brings me to this:

Town:

orcinus
Syryana

Unsure leaning town

buldermar

Unsure leaning scum

pitoli

Scum

SD

Who the fuck knows

Lurker
Nero
Deltabacon

Fery, were there any connections between players that you picked up on that'd be good to check tomorrow? Anything from subtle to blatant

The main thing I picked up was that neither you nor SD had a scum read on me. It looked like distancing.

You could argue that Lurker also distanced but he's completely disconnected from the game afaict.

HOLY GUACAMOLE BATMAN! This is your parting shot? If pitoli turns out town as well THEN YOU'VE JUST THROWN US ALL IN THE AIRLOCK AND GIVEN SCUM ACCESS TO THE BIG RED SHINY BUTTON!!! And to think

I

was giving so much condemnation for having 3 people in a "nfi" column.

Spoiler:

You suck.
Your reads suck.
Your play suck.

If town wins, it's no thanks to you.

Now, moving on...

[SafetyDance]

^ This was brought on by finding the thread locked, looking at AP's "stuff to go here" post, scrolling up, seeing posts like this:

Oh and I might as well put down all my thoughts ITT

If SD flips scum, Nero needs to be lynched immediately after

If SD flips town, we're looking at a town Nero.

Thinking I was lynched. Very much "WTF". Then trying to find where I was to in reading the posts before and then finally finding my way through the thread and seeing the self-vote.

[SafetyDance]

"^" above, meaning my post obviously, not bulder's.

[SafetyDance]

Ok, so people are wondering if Nero and I are neighbours. I take it you've all seen this:

Let me reiterate, I have sources investigating into Sotty's role and alignment.

and this:

Excluded for undisclosed reasons [Safetydance]

and this:

Depends on my situation with safetydance.

and this:

I only have exterior sources regarding SD. I stated that explicitly.

So yeah, no surprise and I would've outed it anyway today, there's no way his postings could have gone ignored. A recap of the 'hood (all paraphrasing):

~Sotty very early on outs all the info of this slot to Nero at his insistence
~Nero reveals nothing
~I replace in
~Press Nero to reciprocate the claim
~I argue with him. Don't think he's town
~Nero trolls, goads and is in general annoying. Still no info about his slot
~Nero suggests we claim as non-recruiting masons
~ME: NO!
~Still doesn't give any info, I still view him as scum
~I give him an award for worst neighbor and suggest he troll elsewhere
~My confusion at the game being locked
~Rage post about being dead + give off final reads
~Rage after finding fery was in face lynched (thanks to herself)
~Nero comes to say he's townread me at the cost of his dignity
~I tell him he's lying. If I was a town read then (OoN: #905 wouldn't have happened and)) he would've claimed info about his slot too and tell him that he's basically outed the neighbourhood anyway.
~He's dead.

So yeah. Got no useful information out of him, had him as scum personally, so all in all pretty pointless.

Oh and flavor is excellent imo, it links us both well and ambiguously too (which would be the point).

[SafetyDance]

You suck.
Your reads suck.
Your play suck.

If town wins, it's no thanks to you.

You should be ashamed of yourself for deploring the play of a person who isn't around to respond.

I was robbed of the right to respond day 1. Consider it even. I welcome it being brought back up at end game.

[SafetyDance]

Miller: Gets investigated as guilty on a cop result.
Neighbor: Usually a group that can talk. Usually is T/Sk or T/Scum on rare occasions it's T/T.

Which makes me think SD is the other neighbor which maybe can explain Syr's vote on SD.

More I think about it.

SD is probably scum. Although he can try and convince me he isn't.

Vote: SD

Orci. From what I have seen of neighbors they are usually T/S.. Why aren't you interested in lynching SD today?

After Aifam, I had a lot of respect for your town play. I hoping you're not really this stupid, so I'm giving you scum points for it.

[SafetyDance]

I haven't yet read the thread.

'Cause I'm going to reread it later.

Ok, now I'm really hoping you've clarified this later on.

[SafetyDance]

He did not have a strong town read on Buld yet he was discrediting votes on Bul while calling them bad.

Calling you town partly based on an ISO. Could change based on reading though.

Still sure SD is scum. Moar votes please, thanks.

(Oh godz just doing a quick wiki search of BG; I find out that Hawaii Five-O girl is on it. Makes it tempting to watch as a background noise for doing homework)

Part of me doesn't want SD to be in a town / town neighbor with Nero.

Part of me believes that the flavor makes sense with a scum SD. More because his character was in love with the blonde chick of BG which I would think would be the other neighbor, but then that could make more sense for a Town Lover / Mafia Lover which would have been way more entertaining.

Is this for real?

You call for more votes but your only reason is that

you

really, really, really, really, want the neighborhood to be T/S.

Good grief.

Nvm flavor isn't related to the game. I'm a fail. >.>

Omg. Thank fuck for this.

[SafetyDance]

Scum in: buldermar, fferyllt, orcinus_theoriginal
Possible scum in: nero, Lurker
No idea: pitoli, Deltabacon, Syryana

Since you guys love this, I'll keep doing it in this style. Now you're all listed L-R in S-T fashion

Before day closed:
G1: orcinus_theoriginal, buldermar, fferyllt
G2: nero, Lurker
G3: pitoli, Syryana, Malakittens

Now:
G1: buldermar, orcinus_theoriginal,

fferyllt

G2: Lurker,

nero

,
G3: pitoli, Malakittens, Syryana,

So,

Vote:Lurker

Because he definitely needs more pressure now to get into the game. Should be less noise to hide in too now.

Buldermar still needs to answer for how hard he seemed to have ridden fery. Don't think he can get off lightly for 825.
I don't like orc but his early play reads mirrored mine and his logic is actually logical this day. Anyway, if he's scum you all gave him the easiest wagon to hop on ever. So need more.

The last three are now tougher to separate, they'll need a re-iso but pitoli seems to be engaging softly, scared to give anything, falling behind the "I'm a newbie" wall a bit too often to feel genuine. I've town-read Syry but his reactions and reads are really bad, so I'm re-considering. I've said enough about Mala atm I think.

[SafetyDance]

Hey, SD. Out of curiosity, since you claimed

Blatant attempt at role-fishing. There is no reason why I should give this up right now.

I've town-read Syry but his reactions and reads are really bad, so I'm re-considering.

Do elaborate.

For starters you're wrong about me and your vote d2 (based on d1) is bad.

Buldermar still needs to answer for how hard he seemed to have ridden fery. Don't think he can get off lightly for 825.

I think what I state in post 825 is perfectly accurate when she's scum, which is the scenario I was talking about. What is it that you think I have to answer for with respect to this post?

No it's not, you were talking about her being scum in this game. You were on her lynch, you spent the good part of 250+ posts convincing her (and the rest of town) why you think she's scum, she clearly had this crazy idea that she was the only lynch candidate. How did all that happen?

Why shouldn't you be looked at? I explained already why orc can't be, if he's scum and you're town you opened that one up and are to blame. The only other person we don't know the alignment of was inactive for most of the day.

Why wouldn't I think you should take a lot of heat for it compared to the others?

[SafetyDance]

Sorta. It depends. The name isn't irrelevant

Why not? If flavors are assigned randomly I struggle seing how it can be anything but irrelevant.

I already mentioned it, based on what my own and nero's flavor name is, our character flavor is definitely not random. Alignment is another question altogether (which is irrelevant to flavor discussion)

Hey, SD.

Out of curiosity

, since you claimed Nero's neighbor and all, what's your flavor role? Fery was Kara, Nero was Baltar, who're you?

This is utterly irrelevant for every aspect of the game related to actual alignment.

Read the quote, thanks. Besides, he might be a liar depending on what name he claims. Like William Adama, for example, would never be a Gaius neighbor.

You're right. I'm Zoe Graystone.

[SafetyDance]

I've town-read Syry but his reactions and reads are really bad, so I'm re-considering.

Do elaborate.

For starters you're wrong about me and your vote d2 (based on d1) is bad.

So being wrong about you is a scumtell? Also voting my greatest scumread (which I was also coincidentally voting when fery was mislynched) at the start of Day 2 when the PL material from Day 1 turned up dead is also a scumtell? Try again.

Pedit: A

Caprica

character? You're claiming a

Caprica

character?!?! Not to mention that said character was a bloody Cylon.

Yes.

Oh and:

[SafetyDance]

V/LA for weekend

[SafetyDance]

There's way too many pages to catch up so I'm just prod-dodging. Sorry, should have done it last night but got distracted. Should have time tonight.

[SafetyDance]

Right. I am on Page 42. 10 pages, it's just like day one all over again. Let's do this.

[SafetyDance]

I already mentioned it, based on what my own and nero's flavor name is, our character flavor is definitely not random.

Alignment is another question altogether

(which is irrelevant to flavor discussion)

Oh and flavor is excellent imo, it links us both well

and ambiguously too (which would be the point)

.

It's not that hard to understand.

... I hate you.

Why couldn't you use an analogy like I did? Huhuhuh?

Sometimes you have to hit buldermar over the head with things before he gets it <3

Yeah, this is apparent.

[SafetyDance]

Which brings the question up.. Is SD actually town or scum? So far his character name makes zero sense and tbh I don't even know what she has to do with Gaius..

Which brings the question up.. Is SD actually town or scum? So far his character name makes zero sense and tbh I don't even know what she has to do with Gaius..

From the brief wiki research I did on the girl he's claiming to be (what a phrase), there's multiple instances of her (the real Zoe, Zoe avatar) and that the actual girl blew up a train. The avatar got downloaded into a body, becoming the first Cylon.

I don't really see how she would be neighbors with Gaius, since they never interacted in any way ever. Hell, they weren't even in the same series.

Pedit: Orc, how do you know this? The part about the neighbor QT?

Spoiler:

The more I think about this the more I feel SD killed Nero

I'm going to stop posting now, my next post will be pitoli case

Pedit: was a joke, given gaius' record with women

Spoiler:

Nice flip flop.

[SafetyDance]

Which brings the question up.. Is SD actually town or scum? So far his character name makes zero sense and tbh I don't even know what she has to do with Gaius..

From the brief wiki research I did on the girl he's claiming to be (what a phrase), there's multiple instances of her (the real Zoe, Zoe avatar) and that the actual girl blew up a train. The avatar got downloaded into a body, becoming the first Cylon.

I don't really see how she would be neighbors with Gaius, since they never interacted in any way ever. Hell, they weren't even in the same series.

Pedit: Orc, how do you know this? The part about the neighbor QT?

OH MY FUCKING GOD.

S-A-R-C-A-S-M. DO YOU UNDERSTAND IT? DO.YOU.UNDERSTAND E-N-G-L-I-S-H?

Holy fuck I can not believe you are all so retarded. That was never a legitimate flavor-claim, I had just said I wasn't going to claim it in the present situation so what the fuck would make you think that was serious.

I mean holy fuck, it's a character from Caprica. THIS IS ABOUT

BATTLESTAR GALATICA

.

If any of you are town you should be ashamed at this level of denseness.

LOOK!

Pedit: A

Caprica

character? You're claiming a

Caprica

character?!?! Not to mention that said character was a bloody Cylon.

Yes.

Oh and:

There is no way this is not obvious. WTF

[SafetyDance]

my amount of devotion and focus to this game has been hilariously terrible and given that a new week started I have lost hope in myself

Can I just sheep someone?


Pitoli: I didn't like how she said fery looked town for paranoia but never really did anything to dismantle her lynch. I also dislike her behavior in d1 concerning lynches--she waffled on almost all the controversial ones, avoided pitoli and her wagon entirely for most of the day, and settled for...well, Nero. The easiest mislynch in MS history.

I also don't like how she popcorned syryana before lurker. Why Syr, she's so incredibly town at this point?

I really didn't get as much out of flavor as I hoped, but I'm feeling like I could be swayed to a SD lynch given that he's the odd one out.

Buldermar: Is there any specific reason why you took so long to claim your rolename?

Syr just pick a sensible target I'll sheep, I'm sorry I'm being useless but

This post. >.<

OH WELL NO SHIT YOU DIDN'T GET ANYTHING OUT OF IT.

Role flavor may or may not be relevant to the game, but I will guarantee the game is not breakable by flavor.

[/color]

DO YOU EVEN BOTHER? >.<

Between your sudden apathy and lack of motivation to bulder's 'I know nothing" (#1072) day 2 play it's all rather bad, bad, bad.

Fuck I meant 1098.. The '9' looks like a '5' on my cracked iPhone screen.

Ok. Next time you accidentally post from the hydra account or any other account, please quote yourself with this account

so that ISO'ing you is still possible

.

What the actual fuck? I have a sig that has my name on it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. (On the hydra)

What the actual fuck? It's a reasonable (and sensible) request.

You didn't have a problem when Orc acc slipped and never quoted it..

Lol wait so you think SD night killed Nero because I don't see that happening

Lol wait so you think SD night killed Nero because I don't see that happening

[SafetyDance]

Considering, I'm captain and main big character I don't think lynching me would be good. Yes, my batman analogy was me trying to breadcrumb my role name and I got annoyed when Syr said my character name.

More stupidity. If AP'S POSTS WEREN'T ENOUGH, we already know from FFery's claim that being a main character means jack. Useless scummy behaviour hiding behind flavor.

Pedit: Buld, Bill Adama is the biggest baddest m-fer in the whole show. If Mala really is him, she's a town PR.

I think we made a mistake in outing flavor knowledge - I don't see how it could potentially have been helpful for town.

No way! Genius at work!

Actually fuck this, who suggested it, good as vote as any right now.

P-edit:

Lets mass claim rolenames

What do you guys think

VOTE: orcinus_theoriginal

Alright, here's my beef with orc. As you said, he switched his read on both you and SD at the start of the day.

He somehow figured out SD was the neighbor of Nero almost as soon as the Day started.

He equally quickly blew the Nero NK onto you and off of SD, because "why would SD kill neighbor lololol". He hasn't mentioned SD since, even though SD claimed the scummiest rolename in the game thus far (Zoe Graystone was a Caprica character, not a BSG character). He scumreads pitoli and has ignored repeated requests to give out his read on her until #1085, where he gave a half-assed read based on waffling and her popcorn choice. I also really don't like his "I'm busy, sorry guys, I'll just sheep Syr". I don't buy this after his D1 frenzy with buld/fery, nor do I think town orcinus swarmed by games would just stop giving a shit about one of them. I think he's civic minded enough to replace out if that really were the case (yes it's subjective, but it's a vibe I've got). I also distrust his "syr is obvtown, I'll sheep him" because I'm a paranoid bastard.

GUESS WHAT? Malakittens did this BEFORE orcinus and you even responded to that. You. Don't. Make. Sense.

And I invalidated the rest of your argument in above posts.

[SafetyDance]

To get it out of the way.

***OFFICIAL SAFETYDANCE FLAVOR CLAIM***

I am

Caprica 6

. I am Gaius' squeeze who used him to hack into the Caprica defences, fell in love, saved him from death, resurrected and lead the cylons to make peace with the colony (which failed). Etc. Read it up on the wiki. My Role PM basically describes how peace is the only option and that some of my fellow toasters have got on Galatica and I need to remove them.

So yeah it's all pretty fucking pointless and flimsy. You CANNOT make claims that someone is more scummy because of flavour.

Syrana and lurker and Cylons too. The others could be paired in fake claims you don't know so it's better to just focus on scum hunting and not waste the day filling it with this crap.

[SafetyDance]

newb town with good intentions mostly but i wouldn't be opposed

Honestly, Pitoli/Lurker/SD go today and I feel like it's an even chance of hitting scum in all three. Just lynch through that pile until victory because you, me, and buld are all town.

One of you is

definitely

scum. And if it is a pitoli/mala/lurker combination then my fucking god did you guys run a major noise production for them. They couldn't have asked for better conditions.

Post #1065 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:16 pm

Post #1071 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:13 pm

Buld

Does this strike you as odd? (you sort of have to view the posts to see what i'm talking about, it's the time gap between buld read my request for a massclaim and the time when he actually posted, I find it very suspicious)

Not more so than his normal play. Shadowhunting. Hang on, since when does four hours make 'the next day'?

Yes Buldermar, you did take a long time to claim. You did a burst of posts...stopped halfway (never before) and then came back the next day to claim.

Your memory is not too good.

The entirety of my basis of my brief spin on pitoli was based on her avoidance of the fery wagon, her popcorn of Syryana, and her nero vote. Actually, I hate everyone who voted nero and not lurker.

1100+ posts and you expect people to remember them all? Unrealistic.

There's way too many pages to catch up so I'm just prod-dodging. Sorry, should have done it last night but got distracted. Should have time tonight.

I can't wait to hear your latest slew of insults. I hope you have some good ones prepared!

Spoiler:

4 pages to go...

[SafetyDance]

Buld/Syr:

Who's your 'strongest' town read in pit/lurk/sd/mala

Strongest town read is SD because of Nero - unlike Mala, I'm inclined to think it is most likely T-T neighbors.

Pit looks bad for that last FoS of Mala which to me looked like a copy of what I said and pointed out in my post prior to it, and the subsequent explanation that she just didn't want to mention her read with Mala V/LA doesn't sound legit.

Lurker has just been living up to his name and not done shit the entire game. I think Lurker is not a bad bet for scum if we go by the assumption of the three of us being town.

I still like Mala for scum the most, but it does worry me a bit that she doesn't look particularly scummy to you guys. Also, maybe we should look into how often she fakeclaims VT compared to PR's as scum. I know of some people who almost always fakeclaim VT.

Lol my first town read. I don't know whether to thank or you speed-lynch you because you know I'm definitely town (gosh, this line of thought reminds me of someone...).

Is the movie/series that the flavor is based on one about good/evil or some sort of two faculties that could easily be converted to this context?

BSG is about two factions: humans and Cylons. The Cylons are humanoid robots made by the humans, and they blew the shit out of the human colonies. The show is about the tiny human fleet traveling through space fleeing the Cylons with only the Battlestar Galactica for protection. However, it gets a bit murky near the end cause there end up being Cylons that help the humans and humans that help the Cylons and humans that end up being Cylons but help the humans anyways and all sorts of weird shit.

This is also why I'm highly suspicious of SD's claim. His character isn't even FROM the show, it's from a completely different one called Caprica, which was a terrible offshoot of BSG some couple of years later. This one was set way before the events of BSG. Shame on FuriousFalcon for even putting her in here if SD isn't lying, shame on SD for picking such a terrible flavor claim if he is.

P.S.: Mala, who are your scumreads?

Shame on you for being an absolute idiot.

I have it!!! I have it I have it I have it!

I know who the scum are.

Look at the following list and you all tell me if you see it too.

Player List:

buldermar - Lee Adama
fferyllt - Kara Thrace (dead/confirmed)
Nero - Gaius Baltar (dead/confirmed)
Sotty7 (now SD) - Zoe Graystone
pitoli - Karl "Helo" Agathon
Lurker - Saul Tigh
Syryana - Galen Tyrol
orcinus - Laura Roslin
Deltabacon (now Malakittens) - William Adama

Two people on that list are lying about their flavor. Can you figure out which two?

This is just ludicrous.

It's like you're completely ignoring AP altogether. You know, the guy who mods this.

[SafetyDance]

T->S: SafetyDance, Lurker, Malakittens

I don't feel great about this voting bloc because it didn't work that well for you yesterday. Also because I don't particularly trust Syr.
I'll be honest, I'm willing to follow you on Lurker partly because I feel guilty about having picked the wrong policy yesterday.

1). We didn't have a voting bloc today.
2). Syr is about 500x townier than you.
3). We didn't policy vote yesterday.
4). That's a shitty reason to vote.

1) As far as I'm concerned, you/ffery/buldermar yesterday was nearly a voting bloc.
2) I hope you're right about him.
3) I didn't say we did.
4) I meant that you were right about Nero, so I'm giving more consideration to lynches you lead from now on.

They

were

a voting bloc. You're actually talking sense now.

Very well. I'm tired, so I'll be brief.

The scum are pitoli and orcinus. They're the only ones whose flavor claims don't match their genders.

Oh good fucking lord. You can't be serious.

Very well. I'm tired, so I'll be brief.

The scum are pitoli and orcinus. They're the only ones whose flavor claims don't match their genders.

For this to be the case, AP would have had to look into genders before distributing flavor roles...

Perhaps, but I find it hard to shrug off as coincidence the fact that 2 of the 9 don't match up when there are 2 scum.

Nope,

you

can't be serious?

[SafetyDance]

Dear Lord, SD, are you always this nasty when town? I mean I have seen it in Aifam, but to an extent in Bit's, but do you do it as scum too?

What has that got to do with your own complete misinterpretation of everything and just going down easy st with your reads? What other reaction am I meant to have to everyone following Syrana and thinking that was an actual flavor claim? Serious wtf.

I don't know either of Caprica or BSG.

In other words, go fuck yourself you waste of human life.

This is pathetic, you trot this line out time and time again. It's not an excuse that's valid in a theme game and why should I trust it? You've given me no inclination too. Get over yourself.

Hey SD, please refrain from posting - you're filling the thread with needless spam and it's difficult for the rest of us to read the actual content.

Herp derp derp

Thanks.

Why, you're afraid to be confronted with the truth? You'd hate for someone to correct you that's not in your circle-jerk?

Forgive me for trying to play the game and respond as I read it. I did think that's why I'm here for.

But I forget, you just want the game to be filled with Lurkers and ffleryts.

Anyway, I've caught up now. Will gladly do something else for the rest of the day.

[SafetyDance]

#1300. That's what I said

[SafetyDance]

Dear Lord, SD, are you always this nasty when town? I mean I have seen it in Aifam, but to an extent in Bit's, but do you do it as scum too?

Will expand on my thoughts on this.

Aifam

, that was one of my first games on site, lost patience with Elscouta and Johnny was being annoying and pointless. Day 2, I was run up almost instantly for night kill speculating (when we had no info). Then Christmas happened. Day 3, I was very happy with my day 3 play and reads in the end.

Bore, bore, kaboom

. I was 100% correct that your rvs buddying was damn right awful because lo and behold, Om was scum! And how did all that gut-play help out town? Not to mention, dear current mod decided to misrep myself with no valid reason, a vig decided to become apathetic when pressure was on him and then during the night another vig decided to shoot a bomb claim. That win was down to one person only and scum failing to read.

So yeah, when people derp and suddenly react negatively to a request to slow down, I'm not going to be some supplicant fairy to their whims or their insults. Trying to catch up when the thread suddenly goes all of a sudden from 8-20ish pages is frustrating and not helpful. And what did we get out of all that spam? Town self-hammering themselves.

[SafetyDance]

I know you did and believe it or not I read your posts regardless of your snark or not. I know my alignment and its not smart to lynch me. Lurker is a much better lynch today because he's useless and not doing anything to help the town.

I'm glad you're reading and I glad you know your alignment. It's a useful piece of info I didn't know before.

As for Lurker, today's lynch is twofold. Yes, it's all about scum-hunting but it's also with the 'plan-b' caveat that if we do lynch town, then who

don't

you want at lylo. Having a lurker who's done NOTHING all game in lylo with no help or way to attempt a read, it is not someone you want there.

This is almost a game at this rate.

Good Luck with that town flip.

Good Luck with that game throw!

Like seriously, if you are town then you're just trolling us more than Nero and you deserve to die even more for your incompetence.

I'm sorry the endless spam between you and Buld is highly annoying.

I agree. If we lynch one of them we might get to read less of their posts!

There is absolutely no reason at all anyone at this stage of the game should be trying to control lynches and his "setup" is absurd because he has three listed when tomorrow may be lylo.

SD is not a policy lynch because I have a scumcase on him.

I'd love to hear that case. Mind you, if its anything like your PoE on Mala (1284/1321) then I'm not moving my vote

[SafetyDance]

Lynching me will be putting us into LyLo during Day 3 unless there's some protection role that will stop the kill. So congrats on that! Also congrats on not learning from your past mistakes.

As I said - You're buddying everyone to all hell. How are you positive that Syr, Buld and Pit are town and not at all concerned that they could be mafia.

You're funny in regards to Lurker doesn't talk as much. Again, how is Lurker helping the town? He's not. How are you helping the town? You're not by lining up lynches.

Familiar argument is familiar.

Okay I changed my mind. Putting my vote here because I wouldn't forgive myself if he got away as scum.

VOTE: Lurker

This gives me the heebie jeebies.

Look guys

Lynching through Lurker>Malak>SD wins us the game

If we lynch SD we might have to read less of his posts

VOTE: SD

If I didn't care about winning I'd be all over lynching him, but I don't think he's the best lynch. Can't you just ignore his posts like I do?

Yet you seem to have no problem responding to them. The hypocrisy, it's like a giant, pink neon sign.

VOTE: SafetyDance

Let me know when it's Day 3. I am so incredibly done with this game right now.

You're lining up lynches which is a scum-tell imo.

What? It's not a scum tell when it's coming from someone who clearly has had enough and just wants the day to end (which I'm fairly certain is actually the case).

Two people (Syr + orc) with a sudden case of apathy?

Fuck, it must be contagious, lock them in the safety bay!

Just like "I know nothing about flavor" is not an acceptable defence, apathy is definitely not a town-tell.

[SafetyDance]

...and we're in twilight. Wonderful.

Do not give a fuck if this is WIFOM, but I'm more concerned now that everyone was fine with a Lurker lynch. If it works out, great but still, unanimous lynch target? Inconceivable.

But hey, we only had a week to go till deadline, not near enough time to think about things.

[SafetyDance]

Will be brief, because I will have to think about it a bit more in-depth later but quickly:

Mala why haven't you claimed?

Orc, why didn't you wait till all claims? Did you breadcrumb at all apart from that one

post

word? Why did you quick hammer Lurker when bulder said he was going to do it?

Bulder, apart from your AtE, is there anything specific you want us to read that proves your town?

This town consists of a

Miller

and Watcher. It is known.

Personally, I think all this should have waited till ALL claims came out. Pleased though that it is orc v bulder though, getting my ITYS in early.

[SafetyDance]

I'm VT

[SafetyDance]

That being said, why exactly are you claiming VT when your role is actually a neighbor?

Sorry, didn't realise that was a mystery to everyone.

I'm a VT Neighbor (like Nero was a Miller Neighbor).

[SafetyDance]

Also: I do NOT want mala to claim.

Um. Yes. Big problem here. She should. Your scum cc even gave the reason for it:

VT, popcorn buldermar

I just realized something. From your perspective, if you were actually town, you wouldn't know for sure if me being ninja would be scum-aligned or town-aligned. Therefore, you'd ALWAYS wait for me to claim as by having me claim anything but ninja would mean for sure that I'm confirmed scum to you whereas by having me claim ninja would strongly suggest that I'm town despite your result. Since you already know for a fact that I'm town, and that I'm not a ninja, you didn't think of allowing me to prove myself scum to you by claiming something other than ninja, because you already have the information you would have gained by doing so by virtue of being scum. Nice try, though.

You deprived us of everyone claiming, you deprived the town of seeing bulder claim VT, you deprived us of seeing all PR claims and letting us all figure out ourselves which role claims were right without any noise. You destroyed any chance of that with the only reason being your ego. How the fuck should we accept that?

Why is Mala clear? She's not. She could be your partner, you've given no reason as to why you've completely backflipped there, in

lylo

. The only one you're definitely not paired with is Bulder.

Pitoli needs to claim too.

[SafetyDance]

SD/Mala sheeeeeep

We have over a week to process information yet you are trying to get us to rush this. And why can't Mala be Bulder's partner?

[SafetyDance]

Bulder, apart from your AtE, is there anything specific you want us to read that proves your town?

Where did I appeal to emotion?

Aside from my role PM I don't think there is anything that definitely proves that I'm town. Post 1388 is important. If you understand it, you'll know that orc must be scum and that I must be town as a consequence of him being scum.

Or he could just an egotistical twat who's letting a result get to his head and affect his brain function, that's what I have to figure out and decide. You yourself give off the impression that you're resigned, defeated, why else but because you're caught scum? I'd expect an experienced player to start fighting a bit more against the claim.

ATE? Let's see:

Spoiler:

That's a well thought out gambit. I'll look for flaws in it

if people actually think you're telling the truth and wants me to show that you're not.

Anyway, VOTE: orcinus_theorinigal

Pedit: buld just give up man

This is how you're responding to being caught in a lie?

I hope town will carefully read and understand how you can't be town, since you'll obviously not admit to it.

Oh cool - now that you have finally admitted to having read the wiki, the only thing left to do

is to hope that town is actually capable of understanding that you by knowing that the role can be town-aligned would have waited for my claim had you been town.

[SafetyDance]

I don't know what I think of fery's role right now. I'll figure it out later.

I know it seems weak but when you realize just how forced "role" is in this sentence (over "alignment"), the crumb becomes irrefutable.

Also in that post:

Personally I think my own flavor is bullshit so I won't call fery out on it

Laura Roslin, with a PR, is bullshit? Explain.

[SafetyDance]

My n1 target was safety dance, which was why I came out of the gate with that neighbor business so hard.

No I did not have any further crumbs, but the speed at which I came out with you being a neighbor should be definitive.

Except...

Spoiler: Lurker figured it out.

Mod Notes:
*Anybody else see the irony behind Nero rolling Miller

Indeed.

I find Nero to be a most curious NK choice. Maybe we can get them to NK Lurker too.

VOTE: SafetyDance

What I'd the miller was a neighbor of the scum and Nero was on to him?

(can't remember the name of that on guy: think it's conspiracy Keanu or something.)

Spoiler: So did Mala

Miller: Gets investigated as guilty on a cop result.
Neighbor: Usually a group that can talk. Usually is T/Sk or T/Scum on rare occasions it's T/T.

Which makes me think SD is the other neighbor which maybe can explain Syr's vote on SD.

Spoiler: She mentioned it again

I haven't read the thread, but going by Nero's ISO. I'm likely thinking that SD could have been the other neighbor.

There is a reason why I'm asking why Syr is voting SD..

So it was hardly something new, in fact Pitoli was there too talking so it was the current topic of conversation.

THEN

you arrive with:

Fery was wrong about SD.

VOTE: Pitoli

And after that:

Yeah I'm pretty sure SD is the other neighbor.

We're lynching between the follow people today
Pitoli, Lurker, Buldermar

Thanks

So it wasn't a random point brought up by you and "out of the gate", well #928 is completely at odds with someone who you are only meant to know the role of. If Fery was wrong, that would mean I'm town, because she had a scum read on me, not a role read. Yet if did have a town read, you had/have no problem with voting me or considering I'm scum. See: #1085 #1157 #1313 #1324 #1415.

So it doesn't add up.

I already pointed this out to Syryana, so it should come as no surprise my position on it

Spoiler:

Alright, here's my beef with orc. As you said, he switched his read on both you and SD at the start of the day.

He somehow figured out SD was the neighbor of Nero almost as soon as the Day started.

He equally quickly blew the Nero NK onto you and off of SD, because "why would SD kill neighbor lololol". He hasn't mentioned SD since, even though SD claimed the scummiest rolename in the game thus far (Zoe Graystone was a Caprica character, not a BSG character). He scumreads pitoli and has ignored repeated requests to give out his read on her until #1085, where he gave a half-assed read based on waffling and her popcorn choice. I also really don't like his "I'm busy, sorry guys, I'll just sheep Syr". I don't buy this after his D1 frenzy with buld/fery, nor do I think town orcinus swarmed by games would just stop giving a shit about one of them. I think he's civic minded enough to replace out if that really were the case (yes it's subjective, but it's a vibe I've got). I also distrust his "syr is obvtown, I'll sheep him" because I'm a paranoid bastard.

GUESS WHAT? Malakittens did this BEFORE orcinus and you even responded to that. You. Don't. Make. Sense.

And I invalidated the rest of your argument in above posts.

So considering the situation we are in, considering that (Syr's) post was made towards the end of day 2, it could look like this is where you get the idea that you came out of the blocks with the breadcrumbed info about finding out i'm the neighbor.

[SafetyDance]

Hang on, look at this:

My point was fery wouldn't have hammered herself if you hadn't put her at L-1. But anyways.

So, what did you think of my case against pitoli?

Well that first point is pretty bullshit. There's no point keeping a suicidal player in town, no matter how good a scumhunter, she was basically pushed to the point of so much frustration. I also felt that town was getting far too bogged up towards her.

The fact that BOTH wagons yesterday were on town

means that something is off (and on that note it sort of clears me as scum because there isn't a single reason why I wouldn't have pushed for a fery lynch). It's okay, she's learned not to do that anymore.

Vote Count 1.20

SafetyDance [3/5] - orcinus_theoriginal, fferyllt, Syryana
fferyllt [3/5] - Deltabacon, Nero, buldermar
buldermar [1/5] - Lurker
Lurker [1/5] - SafetyDance
Nero [1/5] - pitoli


Pacifists (Not Voting):

Deadline: April 16th at Noon (GMT-8)

(expired on 2013-04-16 12:00:00)

Mod Notes:

*Deltabacon is V/LA through the 7th

That's fferyllt and I. This is a slip? There's no way you know we're both town unless you are scum. As per above post, there's no way you'd push someone as scum if you did think they were town.

FOR THE RECORD FFERLLY, 75% CHANCE OF DOUBLE-SCUM ON YOUR WAGON. GOOD JOB THERE!

[SafetyDance]

And the person I asked about ninjas said she

never saw a town-aligned ninja, ever.

DA FUCK?!

Tell me you didn't just lose the game for town by breaking Posting and Communicating Rule 5? (

question directed at AP, not you

)

[SafetyDance]

I don't throw my vote around in lylo, especially so since I'm not actually scum.

Frankly, considering that we had a town-suicider, two town-aligned trolls and a slot-flaking all on day one then its no wonder we are here in day 3 and I don't really expect or have high hopes that we'll lynch correct so I'm not going to be that fussed if I mis-lynch because I didn't believe town.

I

am

making the effort to try and crack this, I'll post my thoughts, ask questions, give my reasons but it's not me who's going to lose sleep if the town-player between you two can't convince the rest of us of your actions and motives are pure.

[SafetyDance]

Who do you think the scum are, Pitoli?

[SafetyDance]

These are not appeals to emotion, lol. I think you don't actually understand what an appeal to emotion is, but I don't think it's relevant anyway.

If you do want to have this discussion, please explain to me why you disagree with the definition of Appeal to emotion provided by wikipedia.org:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion

"Appeal to emotion or argumentum ad passiones is a logical fallacy which uses the manipulation of the recipient's emotions, rather than valid logic, to win an argument."

How is you saying "I hope town will..." not using any sort of appeal towards those players rather than any logic?

To my understanding he merely asked how frequently someone encountered town-aligned ninjas in her play, with no reference to this specific game.

You don't talk outside of and current game to anyone about anything to do with said current game, period.

I

, when looking at roles and speculating don't hit up the first non-competing player I find to get their opinion. WTF. That's just a slippery slope, what then would stop someone just posting in mafia discussion to get advice on a current closed setup or role? Absurd.

But then by that same logic, you just scumslipped in this post too by saying that if I get modkilled, I would get lose the game for town. Thus implying that you know that I'm town, and that you're scum.

See how weak that line of reasoning is?

Your line of reasoning

is

very weak. See, you may not have noticed, but I ended that sentence with a question mark. It's a very important detail. It means I don't know, which is why I asked and I'd be very fucking pissed off if you did indeed break it and are town. It could mean I lose the game. If I had to choose, I'd prefer to lose the game because of a mislynch over a modkill, thanks.

[SafetyDance]

Obviously it was a lie? idk?

You should know, it was your post.

Mala is 100% clear at this point in time. Buldermar wanted to lynch her first, and there's no point in scum bussing at 5p lylo. There really isn't. Plus, her outburst yesterday was very town.

Why does seeing buldermar claim VT even matter? Was I supposed to expect the possibility of seeing him claim town 1-shot ninja? My night result was effectively a scum investigative result. He even claimed VT later, if it matters that much to you.

But that's information you only get AFTER you asked him to claim/give reads, which you deprived the whole town of getting and limiting the scope of our knowledge, not just your own. Why would you limit the town's gained info just because you have everything you need? That's completely egotistical.

Bulder claiming matters because THEN you can out your info and counter-claim without bringing up any wifom up that you created it up on the spot and can give definitive proof that Bulder is lying, whereas claiming he's scum before hand means you're saying he's lying before he's said anything to incriminate. That may be fine on you're end, BUT WE'RE NOT YOU!!! I'm not privy to you pms...thankfully.

Oh and I forgot this in the last post--Buldermar is confscum to me right now, so I don't want anyone else to claim. That would just be giving unnecessary information to Buldermar to influence his night action

I am trying to rush this. Because I know who's scum in this game and my goal right now is to make that lynch happen before you all drink too much of Buldermar's soup.

I addressed why Mala can't be Buld's partner. Two very simply points--outburst yesterday and interaction with BUldermar. If you need more, ask.

So not giving town info in lylo is at less priority than keeping scum in the dark? Why? If it's as simple as you say then tomorrow is a formality regardless of roles.

Also first sentence - BULDER IS YOUR LYNCH CANDIDATE! WHILST I'M NOT PREPARED TO DELVE INTO THE MIND OF PIDGEYMOD, I THINK I CAN SAFELY SAY ZOMBIE-SCUM RISING UP FROM THE DEAD ARE NOT IN THIS GAME. So how the fuck could he have a night action?

Now you just have me paranoid about these:

Spoiler:

Her outburst yesterday was towards YOU, not bulder, where she (rightly) told you to get fucked. I fail to see any kind of alignment-tell out of it, so yes, more is needed.

1433:
Sure, okay. I didn't actually read the start of day 2 that closely. I apologize.

It was right out of the gate for me because that was my first post back. But yeah, sure, you can discount it.

Ok I will then. Especially since your statement was alignment-indicative and not role-indicative, a point you failed to even address in your cherry-picking.

I thought you were town on day 2 by virtue of your neighbor result. And then I realized that you could be scum neighbor, and that I was still working on your flavor being Zoe Graystone. So yeah, I had you as a weird read.

And I wasn't paying attention at all.

Sure, view that as a scum slip.

Spoiler:

So you weren't paying attention at all...yet you had read enough to form opinions? Just WTF.

I'd also expect someone who's being so cocky about their play and knowledge would KNOW that just being a neighbor doesn't indicated alignment. Heck it's the same reasoning Mala used to say it was S/T, it's flat-out wrong, you don't assume anything.

Just like I'm not assuming that you are town and bulder is scum.

Hahahahaha WOW fuck you very much.

Spoiler:

You know what

I don't care anymore.

Pitoli, Syryana, Buldermar: Let's town bloc and lynch our way through the remaining player list. I have strong town reads on all three of you and if I am wrong, I will gladly take all the blame for the game's loss. I don't think I am though.

I would like to apologize for my anti-town play yesterday.

I know it seems weak but...

Obviously it was a lie? idk?

And I wasn't paying attention at all.

I knew all this was just bullshit. You really do have an over-exaggerated opinion on yourself. Tell me (and I'd love to hear Bulder's version too) how building the foundations early on to get a town-player to self-hammer, helped the town?

[SafetyDance]

Help me convince SD because I'm really sick of him?

Sick because you're scared you're going to slip up.

Sure, but chances are you'll be here

I can try, but not sure if SD will listen to me

These posts instil so much confidence about YOUR alignment.

Mala/Orc 2013

There's a difference between tossing in silly roles and tossing in silly roles that are useful. When there's a watcher - there's no need for a town aligned ninja, but there is a need for a scum aligned ninja.

AP ins't the type of mod to say - hey I'm just going to put in a town ninja for laughs. He does balance, he likes to write up flavor.

Plus you literally admitted to being one so please lynch him guys.

Except...we don't know your role so any speculation is useless - spesh if you keep inferring you have a PR!

[SafetyDance]

Also Pit.. has been around since Day opened. I just checked timestamps and we did get a day on.. so her avoiding posting right now is odd as hell.

VOTE: Buld

She's not posting because she's scum with orc. What the fuck would the point of her not posting if she was scum with me be? You're making so little sense that it hurts.

Oof.

Bambi can only be scum with you now.

[SafetyDance]

I've yet to be scum on site so I don't know

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=24292

Yeah I admitted that I had a shit case on you. Basically I figured that if you were scum you already won because literally I cannot find jack shit to build a case on you with, short of fake claiming a cop or something.

You really said that.

[SafetyDance]

Ugh that's me for the night done. I'm going cross-eyed with all these quote-tabs open

Syryana...I couldn't find any indication of a watcher breadcrumb or result in any of his posts.

Mala/Delta iso is on the cards next.

[SafetyDance]

maybe mala IS a PR and maybe I've been PR reading her since day end yesterday I don't know man

Well that's convenient. Mala being a PR would be highly relevant because we can't set up spec without it. You've already affected any clear claims now when you interrupted mass-claim. If you are town, you are fucking this up big time.

look at this point in time the only possible scumteams are me/mala and buldermar/pitoli. Buld and pit all claimed VT. So setup wise, buld/pit being town makes no fucking sense. We have two neighbors (not masons), one miller in that neighbor, one watcher, and...nothing else. That seem logical to you?

Looks even more illogical with Mala having a PR. You know, if we all claimed VT you'd have been a uncc'ed PR and basically confirmed town! Why would town not want that. I can't understand this viewpoint.

Buld had me as his strongest town read. When I PR claimed, he said that it should be obvious it was a fakeclaim. That seem logical to you?

Because you indicted him! What else was he meant to do?

Your arguments don't actually make sense so I won't address them in-depth. My play day 2 was purposely shoddy. I said that already.

This is fantastic, I must remember to use it next time I'm at lylo, its totally water-tight.

I didn't want to lynch fery on day 1, but after she stated intent to self-hammer I didn't really have a choice. It was buld who pushed that lynch to the brink.

Bullshit.

Right from the off at the end of page one you were tunnelling Fery. Her self-vote was first mentioned on page 12 and she hammered herself on page 34. Over 3 days in time. Of fucking course you had a choice. You had a choice when you joined in the logorrhea.

In fact your whole day on her is bad. At the start she was definitely scummy then when Bulder got on the wagon and there was more traction, suddenly she was less scummy and then when you voted, it was all this "no, no, no, she's town, this is bad" crap. How else am I supposed to see this?

Tomorrow is a formality, yes. I know who the scum are, and so should you by that time. I don't want mala to claim in case she is a PR and that gives scum more information to use with their night action. When buld flips scum, pit goes tomorrow without question. If you insist on having mala claim, go ahead, but you won't need it, and only tomorrow.

It's only a formality if I choose right and we don't mislynch. So again, Mala's claim is very important. Hiding a PR in lylo, there's no reason for this at all ESPECIALLY if tomorrow is a formality. It's like you say start by saying one thing and end with another. "It's a formality but...I want a claim to be hidden."

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Town aligned ninjas do not exist. It does not make sense with this setup. I didn't need to wait for Buldermar to claim VT because I have half a brain. You might.

If you had half a brain you would let bulder incriminate himself and not jump out and say he's scum before we had a chance to see all claims. If you had half a brain you would have waited to

show

town that's he's scum instead of having to

tell

us.

The fact that Mala has lurked and sniped from the sidelines and is just sheeping you, doesn't help the case that you aren't a team.

Your statement was a question. Your question was based on the premise that I was town. Hence, you somehow knew I was town. Hence, you scumslipped. For instance, "Is your vagina wet?" is based on the premise that you have a vagina. This question does not make it in any way ambiguous that I think you have a vagina.

I think someone has sand up theirs.

It was a question based on if you are town because if you are scum breaking rules then I couldn't care about you losing the game for that side because I'm not scum!

None of my play makes sense from a scum angle. If Buld were town, I could easily have pushed for a mislynch on you. Buld would have sheeped me all the way. Why would I fakeclaim? Why would I purposely make my play suspect by refusing to let mala claim?

It makes perfect sense if you're scum with Mala, started the day wanting to fake-claim and got in before we had a chance to see all mass-claim.

[SafetyDance]

Bambi can only be scum with you now.

Yeah, obviously, which means that Mala is scum with orc.

So why the sudden reversal now and not before I spelt it out for you?

Tell me (and I'd love to hear Bulder's version too) how building the foundations early on to get a town-player to self-hammer, helped the town?

I was convinced she was scum.

You 180'd after white-knighting her. In fact the whole day's play can be pinned onto 1 post, #259 which is you basically OMGUS'ing her. It's rather strange.

Well that first point is pretty bullshit. There's no point keeping a suicidal player in town, no matter how good a scumhunter, she was basically pushed to the point of so much frustration. I also felt that town was getting far too bogged up towards her. The fact that BOTH wagons yesterday were on town means that something is off (and on that note it sort of clears me as scum because there isn't a single reason why I wouldn't have pushed for a fery lynch). It's okay, she's learned not to do that anymore.

We had over a week to go and you were talking to her constantly for over the other week. You could have just as easily said no, we're not lynching you and grow a pair, suicide is stupid. But yet....you voted. And again, you wouldn't know both wagons were on town day 1 unless you are scum.

[SafetyDance]

So, Sd, who would you like to lynch today and why? Since you are litterally traction against a Buld lynch even though its pretty obvious he's scum being caught right now.

How's it obvious? Orc's play doesn't come across as someone who has a town PR role and your play right not doesn't help be clear about your alignment. The fact that you did night speculation without your role/alignment included to prove bulder is scum is suss, the fact you've only bothered in the last couple of days to respond to bulder is suss. That fact you can be apathetic in lylo about trying to convince someone else is suss. I mean c'mon, if you're the other town then you'd have the exact same mindframe and understanding of my position, yet you're all-in on the bulder-scum wagon. Of course that rings alarm bells.

You 180'd after white-knighting her. In fact the whole day's play can be pinned onto 1 post, #259 which is you basically OMGUS'ing her. It's rather strange.

I'm not sure what it is you think is strange about post 259. Can you be more specific?

You went from WK to wanting to lynch her
Your votes was an OMGUS
That post basically started the inevitable suicide-fery push after Orc built the fery-scum foundations. If you two weren't cross-alignment now I'd say it was a perfect tag team.

[SafetyDance]

Sorry, that should be setup spec not nk spec, mainly here:

There's a difference between tossing in silly roles and tossing in silly roles that are useful. When there's a watcher - there's no need for a town aligned ninja, but there is a need for a scum aligned ninja.

AP ins't the type of mod to say - hey I'm just going to put in a town ninja for laughs. He does balance, he likes to write up flavor.

Plus you literally admitted to being one so please lynch him guys.

Wait ? When did I NK analysis? I believe that was Orci and not me. I did NK analysis to find out that you were the probable neighbor and that Pit could be town. I thought maybe I saw a crumb with Syr, but then I disregarded it because he didn't start off voting Pit which I would think would be proper play for a watcher conf-scum-result.

I believe I responded to a lot of people in Day 2 and not just Buld.

Why is the apathetic card coming into play?

How did you get Pitoli is town from Nero's ISO?

This strikes as apathetic and you haven't really said a whole lot until today:

I can try, but not sure if SD will listen to me

[SafetyDance]

You went from WK to wanting to lynch her
Your votes was an OMGUS
That post basically started the inevitable suicide-fery push after Orc built the fery-scum foundations. If you two weren't cross-alignment now I'd say it was a perfect tag team.

I still don't think I WK'ed her, as you put it,

but I did go from not wanting to lynch her to wanting to lynch her

. Is there something about the post or something else you want me to explain? I still don't get what it is that you think you're seing.

[SafetyDance]

Now we have two people talking to outsiders about the game.

Fuck this shit.

[SafetyDance]

So it's completely irrelevant to this game. So why on earth bring it up? If there's a question about the setup that I want to ask, I'd ask it in thread. One thing I've learnt from games here is I'm not going to try and outguess the mod.

And this is all beside the point too.

It's not whether a ninja it town-aligned or not, its about whether orcinus is LYING. He could've claimed bulder's the tooth fairy for all it matters, the fact he jumped the gun in the middle of claims, has played scummy since day 1 and has questionable logic to explain his motives is a problem.

Then there's you, who's now trying to flippantly wave off your play as you were away on the weekend. You can't have been that limited considering you placed your vote. But no time to explain yourself better or your reads....but you will blindly sheep someone claiming a PR in lylo?

Not suspicious at all...

[SafetyDance]

It's not rocket science, of course I want you to explain your motives.

[SafetyDance]

...so why aren't you voting Bulder?

[SafetyDance]

Fuck it. I don't think I want to waste any more times on this. Game, be done.

Vote: Buldermar

[SafetyDance]

It's basically because, during the night, that was where my reads were too, VCA looked dodgy on both and they BOTH claimed VT and Pitoli's done nothing but appear like a deer in the headlights (thus 'Bambi') all day.

Even if orcinus play has been crap, it doesn't really balance out that. And if orc is scum, well at least I identified why.

So if you two are town, you did a real terrible job. But it doesn't appear that your heats were in it.

So who'd I win the game for?

[SafetyDance]

...or just destroy the resurrection ship so they can't come back to life.

Mala, I'm glad you suck at softclaiming, or I just suck at reading inferences because I'd have voted the other way if so. Balance wise a doc makes no sense.

Anyway, the days for VCAs and the whole bell and whistles are over, that was play for 5-man lylo yesterday. You were there, do you remember it? One question you can answer for yourself: are you in a scum team with Orcinus?

The answer should be obvious, I'm not sure why you're not playing like it is.

Pitoli, to be fair, you've got the stage, try and explain why you're not scum over mala. I'll give you ~48 hours because I'm rather busy atm.

[SafetyDance]

Prod dodge, I'm terribly busy. Will try and post soon as I need this game ending before end of next week where I'm not going to be able to do anything at all. Sorry.

[SafetyDance]

Firstly I'm sorry, this isn't apathy, playing to wincon, this is me struggling to find time to come on. Check my posting history, I'm not partying in any other games. I'll try and do a big wall tonight, because I really need this game to end by Tuesday or I may as well be replaced out.

For now, cliff notes:

Mala, you can do VCA if you want, but it's not

needed

because the day to do that was yesterday but we had a standard result decision to make. It was lylo there too. Since its been over a week, I'm taking it you think its not worthwhile anyway.

"How can I be scum with Orci? Especially if Orci flipped town."

The point, you missed it. The only answer there was "No".

Yesterday happened, I have no idea why you've reset your thinking now.

Day 3 it was 2 v 2. Bulder could only be scum with Pitoli, Orc could only be scum with you. I hammered, and I hammered correctly. We know that because of flips.

Your interactions that "clear" you. Go do an ISO of me + buld. Go read the days before your joined. Heck, read confirmed town.

I wasn't trying to keep the lynch of Bulder, I was trying to DECIDE who to believe and lynch. Orcinus gave Bulder an opening jumping the gun before Bulder claimed VT. If Orc had

waited

for Bulder to lie, rather than say Bulder is scum, then that scenario wouldn't have happened. Then there is you. Despite claiming afterwards you were V/LA, without too much thought, in lylo, you FOLLOWED Orc and threw your vote on. Without any question, without any of this needing to look stuff. It very much looked like you were sheeping and could have been a team, you would have needed just one vote after all. I can't back this up until the Neighbor QT is published after the game, but I did go into the day thinking Bulder/Pitoli was the most likely scum. I was more convinced of them than I was orc, but DOUBTS, so I had more questions for orc and yourself, more things I wanted answering. I didn't want to fuckup lylo. OH AND SOFT-CLAIMING DOC WOULD HAVE MEANT ONE OF YOU WAS

DEFINITELY

LYING. That's pro-town?

Meanwhile Pitoli has been like a deer in the headlights since Bulder was found out, has gone back to lurking and said next-to-nothing, not even bothering to defend herself despite all this time. This does seem fairly cut-n-dry now. Over-thinking was for yesterday. Go read what you have to, do what you have to, because I'm hoping you will see it the same way.

I don't think your scum, you'd be a real manipulator in that case having had to fool not just me but orcinus as well so I don't think you are, but I'm getting paranoid now that you're doing this, like it's a tactic straight out the gate.

Ok, that was bigger than just notes.

[SafetyDance]

Oh so you complain to us about what you were doing!

Don't really have any time to play games or double-guess, so I'll cross. You have under 24 hours to ask any questions.

Vote: Pitoli

[SafetyDance]

@Mod After Tuesday I'm not going to be able to post at all until next week, Sunday at the earliest. Consider replacement if game hasn't finished?

[SafetyDance]

Well you haven't hammered right now so you're definitely not scum. So I'm happy.

Good luck, hope you choose right etc, see you (both) after the game either way.

[SafetyDance]

Yay, we won! Thanks Mala for hammering right! <3

Thanks AP, I thought the setup was clever and the roles. I mean the neighbourhood was good, Gaius and his Cyclon...if we were both revealed then flavor couldn't say which alignment we necessarily were, very clever.

It really did look like we were heading for a loss, which was so frustrating about day one's play. So that was a good investigation Orc.

Not sure what would have happened in lylo without it, but pleased enough that my two main suspects, were scum.

Pitoli, maybe it just appeared that way. Bulder got caught and you disappeared completely and you're play reminded me of how I play as scum. I emphasise that it's hard to come up with content as scum, and hey, you got to 3 player lylo, so you've already done better than I have!

Oh, and I enjoyed ending up with my own private QT. I made the most of it