Micro 153: Sherlock Holmes Mafia (Game Over)

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Man, I totally don't remember /inning this.

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Vote: pirate mollie

FUCK THE FLOWCHART

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Majiffy's flowchart.

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Using a flowchart where the only thing that flows is someone's ego is always ill advised.

<3 I knew there must have been a reason I /inned this. FOUND IT.

@zoo (if you don't mind this abbreviation): It's a nice thought, but the only tell I'm really getting from it is an overwhelming newb-tell. It is interesting though, I'll have to come back and look at it again in future.

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Considering you probably know that's not true why are you voting me for it?

What makes you say this?

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I'm wondering why he is voting for me for that reason, considering that reason is generally considered false.

What reason are you referring to? What do you mean by "generally considered false"?

Do you know why I asked you?

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@Syr -
you do realize that you put Blue Yoshi @ L-1, right?

This is interesting. I second the question.

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I'm concerned with the Yoshi flash wagon

Why?
Would you have been as concerned if it had only gone to L-2?
Does his being on his own wagon change that concern? Does it give you different concerns?

I wouldn't have expected everyone to actually read the whole first post and notice that we actually had 2 scum, and I don't know if people would have noticed my post in the confirmation stage.

I would probably have expected people to expect a team of 2 scum, seeing as this is a 9p Micro.

It's not the exact scumtell he talked about, but scumtells that are that exact aren't really very good.
How insistent he was trying to be with it confused me too.
And no, I don't know why you asked me.

Which scumtell are you referring to, though?
What makes you think it was exact?
What makes you think he was being insistent?
Why did you change your wording from "generally considered false" to "not really very good"?
These are for clarification. I may or may not bring up the reason I asked about 40 once these get answered.

@Pala: Thank you for pimping my questions. It's useful to me but unfortunately it apparently destroyed your ability to post content

i am so sorry are you ok?

which is a bit less useful to everyone.

@Ms M: Is your 31 vaguely accusing Yoshi of buddying or am I imagining that?

@Seanald: I didn't realize you played the harp.

@zoo: What do you think of people mostly ignoring your "rolefishing" point (29)?

@Syr: Do you have something more concrete from your "not quite right" feeling yet?

@zach: You have posted less than nine words so far. (This means that there are more words in the preceding sentence than you have written in this game.) Do you have anything of substance yet?

@mollie: you've been onsite and posting... where are you?

@gm: Where in the fuck are all these questions coming from?

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@gm: Where in the fuck are all these questions coming from?

Hell if I know. Do you know, gm?

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@gm: Where in the fuck are all these questions coming from?

Hell if I know. Do you know, gm?

LEVITY/BOREDOM/SLEEP DEPRIVATION

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EBWODP: PLAYING THE DAMNED GAME

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Depending on what you classify as a word.

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@Yoshi: If he had said "a lot of scum do this" would that change your opinion? What makes you think that he was trying to "put more heat on [you]" by exaggerating?

You're probably town.

What motivation would you have to say this?

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@Syr: Do you have something more concrete from your "not quite right" feeling yet?

Yeah. I think his methods for moving us out of RVS are bogus. His so-called "actual info" is nothing of the sort and involves vague speculative filler involving the number of mafia and how likely they are to have PRs of some kind. No me gusta "vague speculative filler".

Also, his #67 gives me a headache.

I see. I thought I had some follow up to this but I have no idea what it was supposed to be. Cat on my face.
Why aren't you voting him now then?

@zach: I see.

yawwwwnn

wow that was so helpful i might shit myself with joy

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I guess the irony of uber designing the ofc above my "w/e" was somehow lost on you both. wow.

IRONY IS FOR PEOPLE WHO LIKED ENGLISH CLASS

gm - incompetent stalker.

Well, uh, there's...

yeah, I got nothing. I get called incompetent a lot on occasion. I'm not, I swear?

town reads on ... yoshi by poe.
swods is null.

How do you have townreads by poe and also null reads? Probably I'm missing something in your thought process but I don't think it makes sense.

You're probably town.

What motivation would you have to say this?

wat

Is this an actual question that you want answered? The way he said it was interesting to me.

Come to think of it, 80 is interesting, though I can't quite put my finger on why.

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IRONY IS FOR PEOPLE WHO LIKED ENGLISH CLASS

does that you mean failed?

No, I just disliked it.

the null read is not by poe. the poe on yoshi is specific to the speed at which his bw grew for the reasons that were given.

Ahhhhh, a linguistics thing.

Is this an actual question that you want answered? The way he said it was interesting to me.

you mean no one has ever said, "you're probably town" to you before? :/[/quote]
Welllllll not so early. Usually I have people screaming for my lynch within 2 pages.
As for the "you're probably Town," it looked a bit deliberate.

Come to think of it, 80 is interesting, though I can't quite put my finger on why.

well when you figure it out let me know then me you and marangala can have a big powow

I was semi-avoiding playing in games with you and that was clearly

the most idiotic decision I have ever made ever

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Vote: Syr

This may be a blatant sheepvote but it's a damned decent one.

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why were you wanting to avoid playing games with me? why have you suddenly decided that it was an idiotic decision?

Well, somehow I decided that you were going to be one of those players who would annoy me.
Obviously that was an idiotic decision because you appear to me to be exceedingly entertaining and a pretty good player, neither of which things is annoying.

why is the sheepvote a decent one?

Because the point is a decent one.

Goodmorning, why put a second person on L-2?

A few reasons.
1. I like to keep my vote in play.
2. I like it to be on someone I am scumreading, however slightly.
3. L-2 is not even a big deal.

It makes me suspicious when someone who scumhunts actively suddenly decides to sheep.

Welllllll if I find you scummiest but don't have any reasons beyond what's already been said...

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^wow. If I weren't so irritated by this I'm sure I'd be impressed-

LOLNOPE

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How can you agree with the person and be suspicious of them as well?

All I am going to say about this right now is that I always see newbs falling into this trap, and you should think on the relationships between agreement and alignment a bit.
This is a massive pet peeve of mine.

oh ggggggggmmmmmm

I miss you

I miss you toooo
I'm going to catch up now so you'll hopefully not have to miss me againnnnn

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stop writing boring ass walls then

Start writing actual content then.

@Ms M: Why ask me questions if you don't care about the answers?

General stuff:
On Syr's wagon: I wouldn't classify it as a flashwagon and I wouldn't say it precludes him from being Scum.
On Yoshi's wagon: I might classify it as a flashwagon and I would say it slightly lowers (for me) the possibility of his being Scum.
On Pala: He gives me weird vibes, though it's probably just playstyle-related.
On Seanald: He's definitely an active lurker.
On Yoshi's 122: Seriouslyyyyyy it hurts to look atttttt

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The reasoning behind it basically. I wouldn't classify your wagon as a flashwagon because the reasoning on it is decent. I don't think it's unreasonable for three people to have voted you so quickly.

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GM: where did I state I didn't care about the answer of the questions you ask me? I actually like the answers to the questions that I ask, they help me determine a persons alignment. I agree with you in regards to 122. Pala gave me weird vibes as well, specially 117

Forgive me, it was an assumption based on lack of acknowledgement.

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every time I have been in a game where the wagon stalled this early in a micro it was the bw was on scum and they could not get (or too chickenshit) to get a competing one going.

let's lynch syrana guys

I fail to see how 7/9 people being afk is indicative of my alignment.

VOTE: pirate mollie

This is interesting as all fucking get-out.

Considering Syr knows his own alignment, someone else trying to defend him as town shouldn't be suspicious at least to him, yet he thinks so.

Well, white-knighting is something that scum sometimes do...

Every one of his last few posts has been a vote on a different person.

Inb4 vote on me in next post

This is a good point, and a good lead-in to what I was going to say: meta. He is playing his Scum meta here to a T.

zoo's post concerning a Syr/Ms M team would not surprise me even a little bit if it were 100% true. I could also see a Syr/zoo team for that matter, but one thing is for sure - if Syr flips Town I will be VERY surprised.

Vote: Syr

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LOL TROLLING


HIIIII TNE

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And now it's time to be back to normal, looking like a fucking idiot isn't really fun for that long.

@good morning why didn't you ask for a claim before your " hammer"?

I think the best explanation for this is just to explain where it came from. Stole the idea off of the utter fuckery in this game. Mostly I wanted to see what would happen with it in a game where some of the players actually gave a shit.

Hmm... GM, what of Syr's scum meta is he playing?

The constant OMGUS, for a start. It's a bit late or I'd go through and be more specific.

@EVERYONE: Did anyone else find his "oh no, you've killed me, I'm Town" post interesting?

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And stop calling it an "attempted hammer," it was nothing of the sort. If I'd actually been trying to hammer you I would have been polite enough to have declared intent.

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Probably.

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It's me!

And yes, Ms M has got it right.

Wait, so you weren't hammering? I'm confused.

This proves you didn't give that game a glance-over.
tl;dr: there were about three fakehammers in that game and if anyone had actually given a shit they might have been useful. People seem to give a shit in this game, so...

Contradicting herself,

Oh yeah? Where?

lying about reading my scum meta...

Please feel free to slander me on this issue.

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@Syr: So you think that it would be a better reaction test to go LOL FAKEHAMMER rather than trying to get people's genuine reactions to what they may perceive to be a quickhammer?

As per your assertion that none of those votes were OMGUS: fine. I'm not going to argue it with you because that will get this game nowhere.
I will therefore retract that phrase and replace it with this one: sheer volume of votes.
A full 25% of your posts in that game have you voting in them.
Here? ANOTHER 25% OH MY GOD A COINCIDENCE
Ok, but seriously, the volume of your voting is playing to your scum meta.

@Everyone else: What do you think of 173?

PEDIT: I KNOW, RIGHT

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V/LA til Sunday at the latest.

I hope by the time I'm back more people will have weighed in on 173.

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Ugh, fuck site meta, unvoting PR claims

just because they say they're PRs

outside of Newbie games is complete and utter bullshit.

@Syr: I saw you bring up that the percentages are subjective. GOOD TO KNOW, SEEING AS THE

VERY NEXT LINE

HAS WORDS TO THAT EFFECT
As for the zoo/Syr comment: his post trying to pair people off so early and sans flips struck me as trying to distract/distance. Who was being wagoned? YOU were being wagoned. Ms M is more objectively scummy, plus she is clearly white-knighting the shit out of you.

At any rate if we lynch straight through {Syr, Ms M, zoo} we'll have won or at least got very close.

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If this is the one getting lynched today I'm all for it.

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That might be L-1.

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This game.

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If people are willing to get back on Syr that's my preferred lynch personally.

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GM, now would probably be a good time to change your vote...

Why?

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Vote: Syr

I have a light Townread on tne at the moment and I don't think I'd even compromise vote him.

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^Your vote is bad and you should feel bad.

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Mostly meta, TBH. I know that's not everyone's cuppa, but he's acting Town and Pala doesn't come close to having made my top 3 scummiest list.

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Meta is a Less Pressure, Micro 137 (which I am too lazy to link right nowww)

Top three is Syr, Ms M, zoo

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Here.

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There's still a whole day left. I'm waiting for an alternative wagon that I can approve of.

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Ideally Ms M, zoo is really more a third in a sense.

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GM still didn't state why she think I'm scummy.

I have several times and I'm really too lazy to go find it right now. I'll try tomorrow if I can.

@GM - pref is still Ms M?

If Syr is an impossibility.



Uh, I'll hammer zoo at 8am est if it comes down to that but I'd really prefer one of the other two I've got in my lynchpool first.

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If we don't lynch Syr tomorrow I think I might rage.

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Good thing we won't be lynching Syr today then.

Vote: Ms M

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I have no idea what to say at this point. I'll ISO zach/Rach when I next have time I guess.

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@Mod: LA til Tuesday

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TBF that is pretty pathetic.

@Seanald: Thanks for joining us, why does that make mollie likely Town?

Still no time for ISOing BUT I'LL GET THEREEEEE

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Totally forgot to make this joke:

he is the gm

No, he's

a

gm. I'm THE gm.

TRICKSY HOBBITSES

Based on just the ISO, tne is probably Town for being called for rolefishing.
Zach had rather a lot of conversation about Ms M as well. In hindsight it should probably have been obvious that he was sheeping me.

Pretty useless indeed.

Curious as to why Seanald has just started providing content

now

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I do believe that was the case.

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^That.

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Looking at Seanald and mollie when I have time.

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I find Seanald's sudden activity after Scumdeath suspicious. Mollie's been under the radar and I want to figure out if it's just from the VLA or if it's genuinely scummish.

Why would you guess Seanald is Town, tne? Why do you also think so, mollie?

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PoE isn't the best argument ever.

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its the only arguement goodmorning.

That's stupid, get a better argument.

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1. I don't know where this is coming from.
2. I am Town.
3. We only get one more mislynch if I am able to count.
4. Seanald is probably Town actually.
5. tne on the other hand warrants a second look.

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Yeah, in 226 tne calls for fullclaim from Syr; in 264 calls out zoo for requesting fullclaim from Syr in 234.

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And then in 281 calls zoo Town. AND calls zach(Rach) Scum but then calls the scumteam Yoshi and Syr.

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STOP MAKING ME DO THINGS
DAMMIT I'M GETTING SUCKED IN

SLEEP WAIT FOR ME

VOTE: TNE

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If you actually had any reasons to vote me I'd be terrified.

Just kidding, I don't really care.

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I've honestly been having second thoughts on Ms M since Rach's flip.

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Somehow I don't think a you/Rach team makes sense. Also your posts so far today have strengthened that assumption for some reason.

Besides which I'd been mostly ignoring tne, who is now clearly obvScum.

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Where have I ignored you?

I was ignoring you.

What makes TNE Obvscum now GM? I was gunning for his lynch D1 though I'm starting to think that it's either you or seanald.

The points that I addressed in 489 and 490.

You're welcome to think it's me if you like but I can assure you that if I were Scum I doubt that zach would have latched on to me to sheep, as it would probably be too obvious. Yes I'm aware this is WIFOM. So is everything else in zach/Rach's ISO.

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It's one motherfucking hop, get over yourself.

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I have no idea what you mean by obvious.

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Tne, after I reread and noticed how blatantly scummy he was in 226, 264, and 281.

Second guess is maybe you or mollie just from the fairly under-the-radar type play you've both had til today. Plus, as I mentioned, it's kinda suspicious that you're active all of a sudden now that one scum is dead. But it's probably tne. I have a slight townread on each of the two of you at the present moment, mollie's as a hangover of D1 and you as your recent content seems quite alright as far as content goes.

I think Ms M is Town based on her interactions with other players, especially the more recent ones.

If that answers your question?

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What I don't understand is why tne hasn't been lynched yet.

I also don't understand who DC is.

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tne's vote looks awfully opportunistic


Also WHAT IS THIS GAME

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Wait, that was actually a hammer? I really hope I'm wrong then.

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OK, that strikes me as kinda doubtful.

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Well good luck Town, I look forward to the conclusion.

Also LOL I TOLD YOU SO

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The fact that it ended up in LyLo, as Town-sided as it was...

Ah well. This game was pretty fun all things considered.

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Either option looks like a super awesome setup, and oh Seanald.