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shaddup Syr, leave me alone. I dun liek yew
Zoo is swords?
and I like Swords find as well, and what irks me particularly is that he states that right after Syr votes me... almost as if he wants to defend me from something, but I'm not sure as to what. Yoshi also has done nothing but set-up speculation, and a self-vote both of which are anti-town but it's early so I'm inclined to give him some slack
Yoshi, why defend me from a vote that's probably a joke? and are you planning on giving us some content soon?- Ms Marangal
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↑ Seanald wrote:↑ Blue Yoshi wrote:I didn't expect many people to notice what I said in my first post, given it was in the confirming stage.
AndI'm trying to kind of ease our way out of RVS with actual info.
said every scum ever.
VOTE: blue yoshi
I actually disagree with this, I have said this more as town then as scum, and I have seen other townsmen do it as well. I'm not seeing how that post makes him scummy, though some of the other stuff do- Ms Marangal
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one of the main reasons to why I am careful with my vote
Syr putting Yoshi at L1 doesn't surprise me considering his Meta, but he also seems to be a whole lot less aggressive then he was when I replaced into that noobie game, and he's more apologetic which I find to be very interesting.
I'm concerned with the Yoshi flash wagon and I'm hoping to god that it wasn't scum driven
I can comfortably say that Swords is town and goodmorning might be, not to sure. the shiftiest on the wagon for me would be Syr and Seanald, though even with seanald, I'm doubting he's scum given his reasoning- Ms Marangal
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Slightly... Didn't realize I was until you pointed it out though, I just don't like the prospect of being defended. it's done me huge trouble in the past
as for the flash wagon, I'm always concerned when one happens, and Yoshi happening to be on it doesn't make it that much less of a concern, though it does give me some other ones, yes. I would have been concerned even if it had only gone to L-2 because of the fact that people seemed to be Jumpy, and not thinking things through.- Ms Marangal
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↑ sword_of_omens wrote:UNVOTE:
for now...
@Syr -
you do realize that you put Blue Yoshi @ L-1, right?
Would have been nice of you to announce that so we don't get an accidental speedlynch on page 2 before we can gain anything useful from this day...
I can't see scum freaking out about someone else freaking out about someone else being placed at L-1 unless they were me and they forgot about their alignment for a few moments...
unless he was doing this for looks, he's town. I'm not overly confident about it, but confident enough so that I can leave him alone for a while while I look for who may be scum. also, his first couple posts of the game is care-free.
why is being confident enough that someone is actually town matter to you zack?
what connection between me and Yoshi? If you're talking about me calling him out for buddying, how would that indicate that the two of us were actually partners, further more, my reaction to it?- Ms Marangal
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↑ Syryana wrote:↑ goodmorning wrote:@Syr: Do you have something more concrete from your "not quite right" feeling yet?
Yeah. I think his methods for moving us out of RVS are bogus. His so-called "actual info" is nothing of the sort and involves vague speculative filler involving the number of mafia and how likely they are to have PRs of some kind. No me gusta "vague speculative filler".
Also, his #67 gives me a headache.
Ms Marangal wrote:I can't see scum freaking out about someone else freaking out about someone else being placed at L-1 unless they were me and they forgot about their alignment for a few moments...
unless he was doing this for looks, he's town. I'm not overly confident about it, but confident enough so that I can leave him alone for a while while I look for who may be scum. also, his first couple posts of the game is care-free.
Damnit Marangal, why do youalwayssay things like this? You call swords town, then present a point that implies thatIam town, rather than swords. Swords freaked out because I put BY at L-1.Ifreaked out because swords freaked out that I put BY at L-1. Also, your point about carefree first posts is pure nonsense. Everybody's carefree in RVS.
what? you placed Yoshi at L1... Swords was freaking out about it. I'm not sure how my point applies to you :/ why do you always think stuff apply to you?
↑ zachattack wrote:↑ Ms Marangal wrote:↑ Seanald wrote:↑ Blue Yoshi wrote:I didn't expect many people to notice what I said in my first post, given it was in the confirming stage.
AndI'm trying to kind of ease our way out of RVS with actual info.
said every scum ever.
VOTE: blue yoshi
I actually disagree with this, I have said this more as town then as scum, and I have seen other townsmen do it as well. I'm not seeing how that post makes him scummy, though some of the other stuff do
I misread GM's post. I thought he was accusing you of buddying Yoshi, based on this post. The fact that you called Yoshi out for defending you in post 31 and then defended him five posts later is not something I feel good about.
Vote:Ms M
Also, I was wondering about your town read on swords because you mention it as early as post 12. That's why I'm curious about it.
GM, 9 player game. Process of elimination plays a big role in scum hunting at this point. Getting 6 town reads is just as good as 2 scum reads. Unfortunately, I have a bunch of null reads. I wanted it known that you are not one of them.
I did not defend him, I was stating a opinion. if you look, I still find Yoshi to be a potential suspect, just not from that post.- Ms Marangal
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↑ pirate mollie wrote:holy cow, what is all of this "moliemolliemollie ARGGGHHH WHERE IS MOLLIE!!!!" coming from?
if anybody with half a brain saw me in another game they would have realised that most of the posting on the 4th was to make sure everyone knew that I was v/la. I forgot about this one until the prod which said the d1 had started.
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gm - incompetent stalker. asking questions but either hasn't found anything to really bite into the meat of or just...something. leaning townish though.
marangala - interesting that you know I am v/la but didn't mention it. the "or forget their alignment like me" post is the weirdest fucking post in this game. leaning scummy.
syrana - you didn't seem convinced that yoshi is scum. the vote and then unvote looked convenient and it also looks like scum trying to blend in.
town reads on zach cos his rhythm is townish and yoshi by poe.
swods is null.
VOTE: syrana
you weren't V/LA yet when I asked you to enter the game, and I forgot that you were V/LA, I would have mentioned it if I remembered it. promise. and that forgetting alignment thing is legit shit, both my scum games, I was aware of who my partners were for half the game and thought I was town for the other half of the game.
↑ Pala wrote:↑ Ms Marangal wrote:Blue Yoshi trying to deflect attention away from me when Syr's initial vote on me was obviously a joke, his self vote makes me uneasy but that's the kind of WIFOM I want to stay away from. a bunch of his posts rub me the wrong way, but figuring out why it does that exactly isn't exactly easy.
But he claimed he wasn't trying to deflect attention away from you, and that he was responding to the flavor rather than the post before his own. Which actually makes sense if you read his post as a response to the "Did they even examine the crime scene?" part in post #25.
Your next point you discredit yourself as WIFOM, and the last just amounts to gut feeling. So basically, the "other stuff" he did is what you see as potential buddying up to you. Do you really think that's what he was trying to do? Given that it Syryana's vote was so obviously a joke vote, why would he try to deflect attention from it?
I did not discredit myself... unless you are talking about me talking about my shit posting when I'm half-asleep, which is also legit. Yoshi is Null, and so is Syry. he would try to deflect attention from it for town cred, or WK'ing, or Framing a townie, none of which are town motivated.- Ms Marangal
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↑ sword_of_omens wrote:↑ goodmorning wrote:@zoo: What do you think of people mostly ignoring your "rolefishing" point (29)?
BluYosh's response to my post made sense...as he said he was responding to MOD.. so I’ll leave it alone for now…I’m assuming others saw it that way as well…I am also starting to like BY’s posts btw…
I will say that I did not like Syr’s unvote at all…I had already unvoted on BY bringing him back to L-2 so there should have been no reason for Syr to unvote because of a worried quick-lynch, and his response seems a little too much…he already said he thought he put BY at L-2, so why not just acknowledge the "oops" and leave him there? I have a feeling he knew he was quietly putting BY at L-1 and when he was called on it, he over-reacted…this also makes me feel a little better about BY…
Vote: Syryana
liking you less now...
but seriously, this flash wagon thing is ridiculous. the only vote on Syr that makes a some sense is Mollie's one, and even then I don't agree with it.
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Syr over-reacts a shit load as town. he over-reacted in a noobie game and I thought he was town, that noobie game is why I hate him so much. I'm saying this with <3 Syr
and HAHAHA sure thing Swords, but it's your fault for trying to 1v1 me in the first place though
as for Syr... Meh, he's null not enough for me to want to vote him and get him lynched. I still feel like the reaction is something town like, though I do see your point in him
and I like you less for that vote because it looked like a sheep vote with generic reasoning- Ms Marangal
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where evrehone at?
Pala, yes. will I share them? not yet.
and yes, I am not voting anyone, what do you hope to accomplish by stating that?
I don't like any of the flash wagon, and as far as I'm aware, Mollie is the only one to give legit reason on it.
why is Swords leaning town?
Seanald doesn't bother me yet.
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GM: where did I state I didn't care about the answer of the questions you ask me? I actually like the answers to the questions that I ask, they help me determine a persons alignment. I agree with you in regards to 122. Pala gave me weird vibes as well, specially 117
Zach: reason being? calling Yoshi out for defending me, yet defending him later on? I didn't actually defend him as I still stated that I had some other things to find him suspicious by. you also don't call out my blantant defense of Syr... I was kinda expecting someone to pick it up :/
Yoshi, I agree with my scum reads all the time, but that doesn't mean they are less of a read. I am suspicious of everyone, yet suspicious of no one early on. it's all about balance.- Ms Marangal
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↑ pirate mollie wrote:pala is tweaking my scumdar and I don't think it is a playstyle thing
want to vote pala?
I second this, and GM stated that Pala gives him weird vibes.Show- Ms Marangal
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117 gives me goosbumps specifically, as does 132Show- Ms Marangal
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How have I been buddying up to Swords? I have exactly one nice comment and one post stating that I think he's town. how is saying a person is town = buddying? as for Yoshi the only thing I "Deflected" was Seanalds reason for voting Yoshi because that reason was shit but I still maintained my suspicion on him. I did not defend him in anyway, and I still made it known that Yoshi was still a suspect, Yoshi was trying to make me look completely innocent (or so I thought) I also said that GM is likely town and I also show more proactive signs of potential buddying to mollie. also, SyrShow- Ms Marangal
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Mollie, because she's mollie <3
and you because I don't think the pressure on you is misplaced. also, I was hoping someone would pick up on it as the way a person does, and how they present their worry on my buddying can tell me what that person's alignment it, but since no one picked up on it, I can't use it :/
While Pala is my top suspect, I want to see more from him. I want more evidence to ensure that my read on him is the correct one, I will place my vote on him eventually, especially if he does more things that I find suspicious
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no... fuck. fuck mornings
I'm buddying you BECAUSE I believe the pressure on you is misplaced. fuck, I should leave and come back later :/Show- Ms Marangal
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Hmm... I'm coming back when I can think, which is hopefully, now.
I can understand why you think Syr is scum mollie, but I really do doubt that he is one of them. He has a point, being that alot of the people aren't paying that much attention to him, town and scum both so I don't think the stalling of his wagon is indicative of alignment this time around. there really isn't anyone that I could think of as a viable partner for him at this stage anywayShow- Ms Marangal
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... if you can't find a plausible partner, you are unlikely to be scum, thus not being able to find who your potential partner may be IS somewhat indicative of your alignment.
also, who does and does not pay attention of you CAN be indicative of alignment, it's how people ignore, or pay attention is what matters.
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↑ Syryana wrote:↑ sword_of_omens wrote:yeh..actually after re-reading...
i can easily see a Syr/Ms M scum team...
Ms M flip flop on Syr is noted…she first said that she was worried that the BY wagon was scum-driven and declares Syr the shiftiest on the wagon..but as soon as votes get put onto him she immdeiately tries to defend him..and poorly, might I add…her #99 says she thought he was town for his over-reaction in another game, yet she was tricked and got mad. So why would his over-reaction in this game make him seem town to her now? I also found it funny that she said that only Mollie’s vote and reasoning on Syr was legit (even though she didn’t agree with it ) and tried to dismiss my vote as a generic sheep.
Also, what I found very shady was the way she tried to subtly deflect Syr’s wagon and fuel a counter on Pala based off of Mollie’s comment, coupled with trying to justify it by associating GM into it…and all of that without committing a vote to it herself.
Syr is still scummy….and with him being the top wagon, and deadline approaching, I can see him make the move to distance himself and bus hard on Ms M to throw suspicion away from her when he flips scum. This makes sense, especially if he is worried about MS M getting tied to him because of her awkward defense of him. On this page alone, the back and forth between Ms M and Syr seems forced..
Ms M’s main reasoning for town-Syr is that the pressure on him was misplaced and she can’t find a suitable partner for him…but that’s probably because it is her…
I still think we should lynch Syr today...and if he does flip scum, then i think Ms M would deserve some extra attention...
That's nice. If you had Marangal white knightingyourass for no apparent reason, wouldn't you get a bit friggin suspicious? Not to mention your whole point about Marangal and me being partners is a load of crock, since no sane scum would white knight his partner for the better part of the day. Marangal's trying to get towncred on my flip.
Your point about the dialogue between myself and Marangal being forced is subjective and quite frankly looks like you just threw it in there to help justify your MsM/Syr team.
Actually, on further reflection your post is a great argument for another scumteam: you and Marangal. You point out all the scummy things Marangal is doing (which have all been conveniently mentioned at earlier points in the thread by various people), propose that Marangal and I are the scumteam thanks to her scummy things, justify your vote remaining on me due to the approaching deadline and my supposed bussing of Marangal. You cap it all off by saying "hey, let's lynch Syr today and when he flips scum we can investigate Marangal!"
This gives you a bonafide reasonnotto investigate Marangal, because when I flip town you'll say "oh, looks like Ms M was right, oops, time to investigate someone else!", giving you an ironclad reason to slap a townread onto your partner. Italsohas the added benefit of making you look town if Marangal gets lynched for her WKing anyways, since you as scum do not have a reason to bus her at this point. No matter how it turns out, you come out smelling like a rose.
VOTE: sword_of_omens
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Yeah, I thought Syr was shifty, though my opinion on him has changed since then, can a person not change their opinion? Syr's reaction to my "White-knighting" screams town IMO so I don't know why you want to get him lynched. Pala hasn't responded to any of our suspicions on him, and I actually stated my suspicion on Pala twice. I'm waiting on him to say something before I place my vote because my vote doesn't change all to often
and what are you talking about? I never got tricked by Syr, the only other game I had with him I was Pretty damn certain that he was scum and pushed (or tried to) a case on him but got lynched anyway. he was town in that game, I never played with Syr scum so I don't have a clue to what you are talking aboutShow- Ms Marangal
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no, that was in regards to both points Syr. neither of them work if I'm townShow- Ms Marangal
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you guys have no idea as to how to analyse interactions people have with each other do you? :/
Syry voting me because I'm defending him is a town motivated move, why? because I can be scum who is trying to get town cred from defending him so hard. Syry isn't scum guys, move on.Show- Ms Marangal
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the "I thought" isn't supposed to be there...
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Syr, you should know that town are just as likely as scum to quick hammer :/Show- Ms Marangal
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what scum Meta remark? I don't remember GM stating anything about your scum MetaShow- Ms Marangal
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Hmm... GM, what of Syr's scum meta is he playing?Show- Ms Marangal
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I personally want to hear from TNE. Pala was my strongest read that has actually stuck.
and he does tend to OMGUS as town as well so it's a null-tell IMO. as for what he said when he got "hammered" more of a reason for me to believe that he is actually town.Show- Ms Marangal
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so everyone on Syr needs to get off him, like now and focus on someone else.Show- Ms Marangal
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I'm thinking she's saying it was a reaction test of sorts? She wanted to see who would react and how, so she pretended to Hammer.Show- Ms Marangal
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173 screams town AtE Imo, I don't see scum saying that kind of thing otherwiseShow- Ms Marangal
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Is that seriously all you have to say after all this time?Show- Ms Marangal
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Sherlock holmes Prodigy was his flavor claim... I would think. are you even reading the game Seanald?Show- Ms Marangal
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IDK, Pala gave me wierd vibes, and TNE's posts aren't making me feel that much better. I definitely don't like his advocating a PLShow- Ms Marangal
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Swords, what exactly makes me scum? From what I see, it's associative tells with SyrShow- Ms Marangal
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↑ sword_of_omens wrote:↑ Ms Marangal wrote:liking you less now...
but seriously, this flash wagon thing is ridiculous. the only vote on Syr that makes a some sense is Mollie's one, and even then I don't agree with it.
really? you do realize you still owe me for that 1V1 that you screwed me on...
tell me what you think about this then:
look at Syr's unvote...he says he thought he was bringing BlueYosh to L-2...he quoted my post where i stated that Yosh went to L-1 and that also included my Unvote...he had to have seen my unvote...so if he was comfortable supposedly putting Yosh at L-2 like he said he was, then why bother with the Holy Crap Unvote!
He even stated that he still thought Yosh was suspect...so again, why the unvote? It seems fake...
PEDIT: @Syr , in the context of the way it was done, yeh..it kinda does...
and no, but i'm assuming that because of the question this means you over-react a lot?
do you do that as both scum and town?
WAIT! are the tides turned this game Omens? are you picking on me because I picked on you in pokemon and I was scum and you were town so this game it's reversed?Show- Ms Marangal
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↑ sword_of_omens wrote:lol Ms M...
that post right there is scummy as hell, your constant changing your wording of your previous posts to suit your needs Is scummy...
your attack on Pala using GM as a springboard was scummy.. read my ISO, you'll seer more reasons...I can't quote right now cause I'm on my phone but rest assured its not all associative...
That is the case! it has to be, that's the only conclusion that I can come up with as to why you would dodge answering that post!!Show- Ms Marangal
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No, but honestly, the main bulk of your case seems to be associative tells. the only other thing you seemingly called me out on was my suspicion on Pala was only me sheeping GM. that isn't true, yes I didn'tsaythat I suspected Pala though my reservation when I responded to him should have given hints on my feelings for him.
also, my semantic problems. yeah, I made some more then the average amount of mistakes this game though mistakes do happen. I stated that they were mistakes, though you are using the semantic issues of my mistakes to paint me as scum
PALA/OMENS SCUM TEAM GAISE. I JUST KNOW IT.
Pedit: You are scum this game, and I am town this game. you said I owe you that 1v1 because I got you mislynched in pokemon because of the 1v1 we had. you are aiming to 1v1 me this game and get me mislynched as paybackShow- Ms Marangal
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Mollie, Syr, and GM are all town BTWShow- Ms Marangal
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That game was totes fun, and you didn't call me out.
I'm not exactly sure of my read on you this game Omens, though I am keeping a close eye on you. I don't like your reason on Syr, it seems artificial to me. I have a stronger read on Pala, and now TNE though he isn't around enough for me to get a clear read on him.Show- Ms Marangal
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Mollie gives a strong town vibe, I thought she was town from the beginning of the game. GM's gambit also reads town, your reaction is a strong town reaction and your response to it when you found out it was fake is another one.
I stated a sword/Pala scum team because the two of you are my top two reads ATM. I'm more confident on Pala, you not so much though it makes sense in my mind.Show- Ms Marangal
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I'm glad that I could make you laugh though SyrShow- Ms Marangal
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Because it's a stupid ass Gambit to make as scum, along with the fact that She was seriously trying to gauge reactions to the "lynch" and figure out your alignment from it. scum don't have the need to figure out gauge reactions because they already know who is and isn't scum.Show- Ms Marangal
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Because he's at L-2Show- Ms Marangal
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and I want to see TNE's reaction to his partner being at that status before I do anythingShow- Ms Marangal
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TNE, what do you think of people ATM?Show- Ms Marangal
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I'll have limited access upto wednesdayShow- Ms Marangal
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Uber isn't taking anymore cultists at this time though
forgot to bold this
V/LA until wednesdayShow- Ms Marangal
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Omens, Syry, Me, GM, Mollie and everyone else in this game.Show- Ms Marangal
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lol
Wow Yoshi, just wow...
TNE, why is Omens giving you town vibes?Show- Ms Marangal
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Hmmm...
You place a vote because someone saying you not voting looks scummy? You worried about how you look or something TNE?Show- Ms Marangal
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VOTE: TNE
my vote is going here.Show- Ms Marangal
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Rach <3
Bus your buddy for me swords?Show- Ms Marangal
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what does that acronym mean Mollie?
My case on Pala/TNE has mostly to do with Pala, though TNE has solidified it. I'm pretty sure I explained Pala somewhere, but I don't have the time to find it.Show- Ms Marangal
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