Newbie 1356 (OVER)

[Mist7676]

Hello people, I am one of your SE's, in this game. But don't expect much from me. I don't deserve this title. It's mandatory.

Vote: Zoggoth

Shortest name of the new players. Probably couldn't spend much time writing a name while he has killing people, huh?

[Mist7676]

VOTE: Aphelion

for being the only other complete newbie.

You do know there is 6 of them! So many voting opportunities so little time!

Cop here and I have a scum result on

Vote: Mist7676

Quick! Lynch the SE!

OHNOES Cop claim? We have a tough one here! And is it odd you checked the SE first a ahh newbie paranoid at its best XD

[Mist7676]

I am now where near experienced, but I would defiantly lynch the more experienced player, because it would be harder to play with an excellent scum than with the simple scum we just caught.

[Mist7676]

Nice questions Dex.

Frankly, if our IC was the scum, and we caught on, I would lynch him. Scum is scum. No matter how experienced. But lynching him for no reason just because he

might

win as scum. I'd rather catch on myself ;]

[Mist7676]

Come on mutely. I thought we promised not to bus each other!

[Mist7676]

Dexter, what is your obsession with lynching the IC?

[Mist7676]

Well, I never saw the IC as a person to sheep from. I saw the IC as a player who doubles as an MS mentor. I find sheeping the IC silly. And will mostly likely push for someone's lynch if I see this:

Vote: scummyperson

because of

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Seems legit

Vote: scummyperson

[Mist7676]

This back and forth between you two was interesting. I am throwing the Varsoon + DDD scumteam idea out the window. But, it wasn't there in the first place.

Mutley's posting style is a bit horrendous. But it can be used to his advantage, maybe saying, I claim scum in all my games, this isn't scummy for me. Also, the fact it was done during RVS, makes it less substantial. If he did this later in the game, now that'd be something to watch out for.

[Mist7676]

Well, he already revealed he doesn't care about meta. This shows he is acting scum or is scum. Personally, as scum I make jokes about being scum, because it is ironic the town doesn't catch it. Merely for my own amusement. But I see no town motivation in behaving this way.

For that reason

Vote: mutley

if he isn't scum, and this is a mislynch, I'm happy it is a policy lynch.

[Mist7676]

Wow we have a bunch of uptight people in here 4 pages prob about 15 posts by me and that's too much and harming the town. Nice....... Can't see how in 4 pages anyone could possibly actually be 'harming' the town. If I had only posted once or twice. Would you guys have had some huge leads then? No it's day 1 with 4 pages.

For me I'd say mist is my only mafia target at the moment. Covering it up by calling it a policy lynch etc even though its 3 pages in etc. just mafia covering for poor reasoning really IMO.[/b]

In terms on that meta thing varsoon I would really care enough to do that. Every game is different and I'd never actually look at other people's previous games. As while they could be useful I am sure people do that to trick people. They say oh look that's what I'm like etc or act different to their advantage. Eg they could say look how I was when I was scum in this game nothing like I am in this current game etc

I don't like this post. Hey gets personal and attacks us for placing votes on him. Then lashes out and calls a few people scum.

What exactly have you done thats helpful to the town RC?? Bitch and moan. Are you that person that no one used to talk to and bitch and moan to their imaginary friend that they are so much better than everyone else.

See, this is taking it personal and attacking RC, don't do that.

Obviously when RC claimed cop it was a joke during RVS, and PP did it once. In almost all of your previous post you made some type of "scum slip".

[Mist7676]

Ok, I am agreeing with Varsoon. The play has up'ed a bit. At the first few posts of Mutley's I wouldn't have voted, but the fact it persisted as we made our way out of RVS, made me place a vote.

By personal attacks, I mean

What exactly have you done thats helpful to the town RC?? Bitch and moan. Are you that person that no one used to talk to and bitch and moan to their imaginary friend that they are so much better than everyone else.

Yeah. Umm, what question did you ask me? I must have missed it.

I'd like to hear from Zaggoth and DDDP on why they still have votes on Mutley, and if/why they think he should still be the D1 lynch.
Especially since neither have posted much since voting on him.

I'm suspicious of Mist, especially since she seems so adamant to keep this wagon rolling. Could just be town doing the whole scumhunting thing. Mist, how do you feel about lynching Mutley D1--do you think it's stupid to have a player at L-1 when two of the votes on him were parked there and the players who made them (DDDP and Zaggoth) haven't posted since? What do you think will happen if he flips town? What if he flips scum?

Activity is a bit low, you cannot deny that. At this point, mutley is seeming a bit townier and I am starting to like his posts. If he flipped town, I'd imagine suspicion would fall onto the wagon voters. If he flips scum, first a celebration would be held, along with some champagne, then poking at others on the wagon. I defiantly see an opportunity for a scum partner to have jumped on this wagon. It could have been a way for getting town points. Even though I was on it myself :3

unvote

I'll do a few reads later. Especially want to look into Varsoon's Paid Pyro scum read.

[Mist7676]

Well we can debate our definitions of personal later.

RC's attack is pretty out of the blue, but I guess he saw it as, voting him because his explanation was in other posts?

[Mist7676]

Nope. Checking RC's ISO, (s)he Unvoted when (s)he didn't want to waste a lynch on mutley. But the posts have improved, so (s)he drops a vote? What? RC, I'd defiantly love an explanation.

[Mist7676]

Hmm? What is that supposed to mean? I find any attacks that reach behind the computer screen into your actual life a personal attack, and not only is it rude, it is against the rules of the site.

[Mist7676]

RC, Why do you still see mutley as a troll? He's right, if anything you have become what you despise. You are not posting any new content, only "I want mutley lynched" and your only case is that he is a troll. Maybe if you provided more of a detailed case, we can see your point, and get him lynched. But for now, I see him as town.

[Mist7676]

Hmm, I would totally lynch mist

What was with that post DDD? Thinking of lynching one the SE's? Or is it a jab at our discussion at lynching the IC earlier?

And do you have an explanation for the shabo vote coming soon. If it was to put pressure, it worked, but it obviously shows shabo was lurking the thread, and could have posted. I see this as scummy, because scum don't like when they have votes on them, and suddenly become so active when they do.

[Mist7676]

Yes limited access would. I don't like RC's post. He basically ignored the pressure on him, then places his vote on another person.

[Mist7676]

Prod dodge. Well lets get some content.

I don't really like FH entrance. I mean, there is quote lists for a reason, or you could have grouped stuff up. Why did you have to write separate little posts for each?

And I never did the reads because I was lazy to do so... I usually get my reads done by the end of the day to get my thoughts out for the night.

[Mist7676]

Look at the little thing next to quotes if you don't know it yet. Click it to add it to your quote list. Once you press quote, all of the ones you clicked come up!

[Mist7676]

UGGH I have been ignoring this thread for awhile.

Well, I see Varsoon as town/scum (bold one) because _______

I want everyone to make one of these, especially if you are currently voting, are intent to hammer. It would be nice, to see how people saw him, if we do have a flip.

Well, I see Varsoon as

town

/scum (bold one) mostly gut reads, but his posts, just don't jump off the me as scum. Freezing Hell's do. I feel he posts a lot of questions and accuses a lot of people. This, to me, sounds like scum grasping for straws. He wants to look like participating town. Plus, I know someone on the Varsoon wagon has to be scum.

Vote: Freezing

[Mist7676]

Thanks to Mutley, we have 3 more pages of actual content.
If you don't think that his posts, in some way, have moved this game forward,
Then we'll have to agree to disagree.

I could post "banana banana banana" for three straight pages but that wouldn't help the game state and in fact might irritate people into lynching me which would be a net negative.

~~

@Anyone/Everyone, if you had to lynch one of the SEs which one would you lynch and why?

~~

UNVOTE:
VOTE: shaboostein

DDD, this post irks me, and your recent ones. This looks like you wanted to prepare the town for this vote. Or at least have a case to fall back on. That you planned to have this vote before.

[Mist7676]

It would be nice, to see how people saw him, if we do have a flip.

You can just look back at the posts. You'll likely do that anyway. Kinda pointless.

but wouldn't it be nice if everyone had it in a clear concise way?

[Mist7676]

But I <3ed Shaboostein

I H8 U MESSIAH WHY U REPLACE MY FIRE EMBLEM BFF

You need to start scumhunting.

You should sleep with one eye open tonight RC.

This kind of shit will get you Policy lynched. You shouldn't ever do that. There is no point in confusing town about your alignment. Noticed from my skim through that you stopped it though, after people were pushing for a PL. Not sure if that's survivalistic or trying to actually become pro-town.

What's your opinion about mist?

Who do you want to lynch the most, and who the least?

@Dexter,mist,zoggoth: Wanna lynch Varsoon?

Why not lynch Shaboo?

My cat and dog live together. Does this mean I am a good player now? Or is this a universe where cats dogs live together but I'm still a bad player?

Why are you so reluctant to vote for Varsoon?

I wouldn't want him lynched day 1

That's what I actually meant, but chose my words poorly. Why are/were you so reluctant to lynch him day 1? Was it because of a specific reason or simply that there is someone else ( me, as you've stated a few times) that looks scummier?

*sigh* by accuses a lot of people I meant, making jabs at people. Like in the first few quotes. And the asking questions is the last ones. Which are your most recent posts. I may have gotten the making jabs at people because most of your opening posts were made of that, and that was my first impression of you.

[Mist7676]

I think everyone is a bit antsy to get a hammer. Flips are information.

[Mist7676]

Ok...

I like Zoggoth's vote. More people should have Zoggoth's vote.

[Mist7676]

If varsoon keeps stalling, I am hammering. Scum tend to find it harder and harder to make time to post when they have suspicion.

[Mist7676]

So an important part in that post is the asterisks? You said yourself posts 2-6 are RVS, and I made that joke during post 4. Unlike mutley I wouldn't make when the town is in "serious" mode.

Now, Varsoon's reply is giving me town vibes. DDD is twisting his words. And dexter is confused.
That is what I am getting from this page.

I don't like the fact you had to be

asked

to generate a case on me. Kinda ashamed DDD.

Mutley is vote-hopping. Ew.

[Mist7676]

Vote hopping is switching your vote multiple times throughout the day. You say it is a pressure vote, but what did it actually accomplish?

VOTE: shaboostein

I clearly stated we were out of RVS and any one not obeying my orders will be lynched or killed tonight!!!

Right ok so I've check this thread a few times this moring and I have seen RC in here. Hasn't posted even though there are clear questions to answer, you'd expect a post even if it didn't answer mists questions. So I am now leaning scum on him.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

If he has indeed asked to be replaced could messiah confirm as this will then be all pointless. However for now my vote goes on him.

Right as he is VLA I will move onto my scummiest target for now.

VOTE: freezing-hell

So two votes on mist and you will reveal stuff is how I read that? Ok then I want to hear it as we haven't talked about much else other than varsoon or FH recently

Ill start VOTE: mist

[Mist7676]

Haha, RC would come in to "save the day" I am not scum 'duh'

and I find DDD's time to be really convenient...

PEDIT: ohello

[Mist7676]

I am give me a moment.

[Mist7676]

Bold are my thoughts. What is quoted is DDD's highly requested case on me which so easily changed the minds of some of you.

Reasons to lynch Mist:

Her first post, “But don't expect much from me. I don't deserve this title. It's mandatory,” is setting the bar artificially low so not much is expected of her and she has an easy out if she doesn’t deliver.

Interesting way to look at it. But I said this, because I don't want to be looked up on when I shouldn't be. This isn't setting it artificially, since it is true.

Her next five posts are so are pretty worthless just wandering through RVS grade issues without any critical summation drawn from them. Then we get, “This back and forth between you two was interesting. I am throwing the Varsoon + DDD scumteam idea out the window. But, it wasn't there in the first place” which is having an opinion for the sake of having an opinion.

What I get from this is my next 5 posts were nothing but going through RVS and not posting what I think, then you clinch on to the fact that I posted my thoughts?

***You know in ISO #8 she says this, “Personally, as scum I make jokes about being scum, because it is ironic the town doesn't catch it. Merely for my own amusement.

But I see no town motivation in behaving this way

.” But in ISO 4 we got this, “Come on mutely. I thought we promised not to bus each other!”***

Already discussed. Very stupid reasoning. It was during RVS.

The next six posts after that are similarly lacking in conclusions after she backs away from her policy lynch of Mutley. She’s looking for a reason to sheep me in ISO 15 but I don’t give her one. ISO 17 contains the words “prod dodge” which tells you how much content she’s generating.

And how was I looking for a reason to sheep you? I like reading other people's cases to see their thoughts on the wagon, but not sheep. The thread was moving slow, and I hadn't been posting recently, so yes it was a prod dodge.

She votes for freezing-hell in ISO 19 because she has a town read on Varsoon and that’s it there are absolutely no reasons why she believes freezing-hell is scum. Then in ISO 20 she goes back and dredges up a post that was half the game ago and that she claims to have liked the vote in it a while back but now she calls it irksome because she wants to draw a bright line between us. But by ISO 25 she completely goes back on her town read on Varsoon because he’s stalling and wants an easy lynch.

I did say some things as to why I wanted FH lynched. The reason I brought the old post wasn't because the vote inside, but because of the quote, "if you had to lynch one of the SE's" I gave my reason for bringing it back up. Go read it if you need a reminder. In ISO 25 I meant it in the way he isn't posting for awhile while everyone is begging for his post. I -remembering a past experience- know scum find it harder to get a post out when the are in a tight spot. Often leaving or making excuses. Not saying this is an exact scum tell. I didn't strike him as scum just yet. But at L-1, I thought that it wasn't going to change.

TL:DR; she does something she says she only does as scum and that there’s no reason to do as town, she under contributes and draws no firm conclusions in her contributions and bails on her reads when an easy lynch is available instead of fighting for her position.

If you read anything in this paragraphs above make sure it's the one with asterisks around it. Lynch, lynch, lynch!

[Mist7676]

Well, I am not going to lie and say I am a productive person in this game. But I still don't believe we should be lynching a town player when there is a perfect opportunity for a scum player to be lynched while we have 22 hours left.

[Mist7676]

mod can FH's replacement of shaboo be detailed in the OP? I got confused .__.

Now, a quick list of raw reads.
Varsoon - town
Zoggoth - town
dexter9264 - mostly null leaning town
RadiantCowbells - I don't really care, I want him dead soon.
Mutleyddmc - town
Freezing-hell - scum
Mist7676 [SE] - town, duh?
Paid Pyro [SE] - null but slightly leaning scum
Debonair Danny DiPietro [IC] - town leaning null

so my lynch candidates are FH>PP>RC

I could elaborate, but a lot of this is just how the post strikes me at the time so gut reads are thrown in there. I play the game with gut reads.

[Mist7676]

Wait it is twilight already?

And Woow PP, the first thought in someone's mind when they make a post is, I am going to die N1.

[Mist7676]

Certainly, I am at a loss for words at these flips. Out of everyone in the game, why PP? Plus, how did Varsoon's lynch not give us information? Every flip is information.

[Mist7676]

Well saying we learned nothing is the same as saying no info. If there was info, we learned something, didn't we?

[Mist7676]

Well, I didn't see Varsoon as scum, can I be excluded from the idiots group? Isn't it odd how the IC wasn't murdered last night? Common move by scum, but it could bring up SOOO much WIFOM.

[Mist7676]

I actually like that post. But RC, I felt you should be lynched because you don't do anything for the town. All you do is swoop in at the perfect times to lay a vote down.

Mutley, today I really want to see more FH posts after he can post.

[Mist7676]

today I really want to see more FH posts

Funny. You want to see more posts of me, while having too many posts was what made me scummy...... but I think I'll have some time later today.

I meant what you thought of the lynch and the night kill.

[Mist7676]

Well Zoggoth hasn't made an attempt to post. And I am at L-1 at this point. Taking that as an attempt to hammer?

[Mist7676]

I think the night kill was an odd choice. PP was thought to be some type of target after Varsoon died, so keeping him alive would have kept suspicion off of scum.

I think that hammer was very very bad. But then again, we slaved over the discussion for a long time coming to no consensus. It was better than dragging it out.

[Mist7676]

Sorry I forgot to put the last question in there.

Personally, I don't want to be lynched. But I don't know who to vote at this time.

[Mist7676]

Back from a pretty long V/LA (sorry I didn't report it, unexpected)

Well, seems as because I am "confirmed scum" now, I should just claim now.

I am pretty sure both scum are on my wagon, scum would hammer by this point. Well I am the

town cop.

Last night I checked PP by random. It saddened me to see him dead after I wasted a result on him. I was prepared for a lynch and I breadcrumbed in my first post today. Really! Check it out. I would really approve of a FH lynch today, but I see that isn't happening.

[Mist7676]

Well wouldn't I check someone I had a difficult read on?

[Mist7676]

Well good luck town.

Have fun in LyLo

[Mist7676]

vote :mist

Oh wait this was not a hamme, I missed the RC unvote

[Mist7676]

You should have at least waited longer than a minute before 'realising'

So you are assuming I faked it? Well, when I posted that, I went and reread what happened. Then I saw:

Okay. We'll wait then

So I wondered why you would wait if we already have a hammer, then it struck me. There was no hammer.

[Mist7676]

You haven't even queried how I know 100% that you are lying

ok then, tell me.

[Mist7676]

Should it be taking this long?

[Mist7676]

Possibly DDDP, I find it odd he survived the night.