Newbie 1356 (OVER)

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Hi guys, looking forward to play with you all.

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The first 5 pages are a complete mess. Will take me some time to get through it.

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But I <3ed Shaboostein

I H8 U MESSIAH WHY U REPLACE MY FIRE EMBLEM BFF

You need to start scumhunting.

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You should sleep with one eye open tonight RC.

This kind of shit will get you Policy lynched. You shouldn't ever do that. There is no point in confusing town about your alignment. Noticed from my skim through that you stopped it though, after people were pushing for a PL. Not sure if that's survivalistic or trying to actually become pro-town.

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You should sleep with one eye open tonight RC.

This kind of shit will get you Policy lynched. You shouldn't ever do that. There is no point in confusing town about your alignment. Noticed from my skim through that you stopped it though, after people were pushing for a PL. Not sure if that's survivalistic or trying to actually become pro-town.

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IF ANYONE ELSE VOTES MUTLEY WITHOUT A GOOD REASON, YOU WILL BE SCUM SUSPECT. THIS GOES DOUBLY IF ANYONE JUST HAMMERS HIM, ESP. IF HE FLIPS TOWN

Wait what? If the next person would be a scum suspect, why would you yell this out to everyone? No scum would jump on board of that wagon then. Bit of a weird post.

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I'm leaning scum on Mist, too

Why? Also, I'm left clueless about you voting pyro. He didn't do anything strange. You made a weird fucking statement, he was right for leaving his vote on you. And he stated it correctly, the Mutley wagon was way too easy a target.

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I do wonder why no one else commented on the exchange between varsoon and pyro.

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Also slips imply I slipped up. Where as I have intentionally posted everything. What scum would seriously say you will get killed tonight etc

This is incredibly WIFOM. Town has no benefits with those crap statements you made. Don't play anti-town.

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@Anyone/Everyone, if you had to lynch one of the SEs which one would you lynch and why?

Why did you wanna know this? Seems a bit out of the blue. Why not tell what you thought of the discussions of recent?

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Okay, so after a relatively quick read:

Varsoon: null
Zoggoth: leaning town
Dexter: null leaning town
Radiant: null leaning scum
Mutley: null leaning scum
mist: null leaning town
PP: leaning town
DDP: leaning scum

I'll give the thread one or more reads, though before I really place my vote.

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@Mutley: You not once raised concern about Shaboo. Also, if RC wasn't scummy would your vote go to Varsoon?

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This thread has been a hell to go through btw.
@Mutley don't ever pull this bullshit again.
@RC You are being a complete ass.
@Varsoon lots of posts, but you're making your texts more complex that they need to be. Also, learn a new way to say: "Agree to disagree", :p
@ Paid Pyro: from the quick glance at your case against varsoon, I like it, but you are tunneling a lot. Want to hear your opinion about others as well.
@DDDP get your ass in here, you're basically doing nothing
@dexter I hope you'll increase your activity
@Mist You need to get more involved in discussions

If I get the chance, I'll try to get some actual posts up tomorrow.

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Paid Pyro's logic is solid and I find little wrong with it.
At the very least, Varsoon should defend himself.

Vote: Varsoon

Nice OMGUS

and hop onto a wagon to distract from attention that's on you now that you're L-1.
Instead of defending yourself, I should do so, right?
That's a deflect, and

quite the slip

Haha, you're squirming pretty hard, Pyro.

Keep squirming.
While

RC

, who I still think

is town,

hasn't replied yet, I've gotten plenty out of you.
VOTE: Paid Pyro
Welcome back to the thread.

This is quite contrary. First she slipped and your posts make her out to be scummy, and next post she is Town. What's the deal with that?

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I'll do a few reads later. Especially want to look into Varsoon's Paid Pyro scum read.

So what was the result?

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Good reads, Zoggoth,

Your lack of questions about his reads let me to believe you agree to them, is this true?

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Mist, is RC the nominee for your vote?

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Zoggoth, why aren't you voting?

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I also agree that meta'ing a player is a poor method of ISO'ing them

Yet you do it for Mutley and defend him for it. By your own words, you should realize that it could be a ploy on his part.

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Dexter: I think that he was slightly heavy towards IC/SE lynch early on, but it looks honest to me (if he is scum, then I would guess that the other scum would be newbie as well, it just doesn't look like a bus to me). I definitely don't agree with his [L-1] vote on mutley, it seems a little too dangerous to me, and I think only one of mutley's wagon is scum (it would be too risky to have both scum on there, as mutley flipping town would incriminate both of them), and it looks far too easy for a scum-hammer to be justified by policy lynch. However I have a null read on him, as the vote could still be town motivated (mutley isn't being particularly helpful).

I've already explained, its just cause I remember getting absolutely dominated in an IRL mafia game by a dude that was the most experienced of me and my friends.
As for my vote on Mutley, yes it was dangerous. I meant it to be dangerous. The way I saw it, Mutley wasn't gonna start posting actual stuff unless he had significant pressure on him. He needed to be put at L-1. In the case that someone hammered, we would know that the hammerer is scum. If he self hammered, then good riddance. Wouldn't want someone that would self hammer here anyways.
Now that his posts are much better, Im going to go ahead and remove my vote, Whether it was my vote that made him stop or something else, I have no idea. But I will say that my vote did help in that.

unvote

As for Radiant's vote above, wtf is that. Just votes Mutley with no reasoning, and also its pretty strong OMGUS.

Vote: RadiantCowbells

Interesting to see you wanted to defend yourself on those points, but more so I'd like to know what you didn't focus on anything else from his post.

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I already offered.

Do this again and then in big fat, bold, words. Or send the Moderator a PM.

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This is a really hard OMGUS move on your part. I build a case on you, you ISO me, etc, etc

This is a misrep of what happened.

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Keep squirming.

While RC, who I still think is town, hasn't replied yet, I've gotten plenty out of you.

VOTE: Paid Pyro


Welcome back to the thread.

So what are you voting him now for?

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FoS: Varsoon

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Why wouldn't I defend myself?
And I didn't focus on anything else on his post cause....well....I don't really know. I guess I kinda just saw my name and focused on what was directed at me.

What did you think of his other reads then? Also, what posts are more useful of his that made you unvote Mutley?

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For clarification: Which better posts of Mutley made you unvote him?

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I'll give the thread one or more reads, though before I really place my vote.

Though at this time I'm quite certain who I'll be voting. Will put my vote today.

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I said in 165 if RC contributes I'd put my vote on shaboo

Right, I missed that.

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I'm bored by people constantly asking me "why". Why did I ask which SE one would lynch of the pair, why did I vote for shaboostein? I have my reasons for most things I do but I reveal them (if at all) on my own schedule.

Go play monopoly if you don't want to be asked questions. That said, I'll just ask if I need you to answer.

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Missed this although this was a while ago and you posted a lot since. So surprised you are asking someone else why before you have even voted?

He's been in the game quite long already. There's no reason he shouldn't have a vote somewhere. Especially because he put out his reads as well.

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I just did a quick scan to get active. I already said this. This thread has a lot of clutter, which makes it hard to get through. You got yourself to thank for that as well.
Anyway, since he ignored the question and hasn't defended himself:

VOTE: Varsoon

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Nice case, Pyro, but I'm sussing out players and applying pressure too much in too many places. I suppose you could assume that's fence sitting, but, regardless.
This is a really hard OMGUS move on your part.

I build a case on you

, you ISO me, etc, etc.

How do you feel about RC and Shaboos wagons that are -currently- happening?

So let's have a look at what kind of case you've build. Also, instead of defending yourself you just ask him about something else. Case of deflecting, hmm? Sounds similar to what you said to RC about deflecting, although I realize the situation is a bit different.

IF ANYONE ELSE VOTES MUTLEY WITHOUT A GOOD REASON, YOU WILL BE SCUM SUSPECT. THIS GOES DOUBLY IF ANYONE JUST HAMMERS HIM, ESP. IF HE FLIPS TOWN

You wrote this and then went ahead to say it was a reaction test and concluded that Pyro was scum and fell for the bait because he said it's scummy of you to post that.

Well, Paid Pyro, since I know that I am town, I know that people levying baseless arguments against me are more likely to be scum than other players. So, by saying something like I did just earlier, or making other intentional missteps, I'm inviting scum and town speculation.
It's helped me get better reads on people so far, and your reaction was pretty genuinely scummy.

Keep squirming.
While RC, who I still think is town, hasn't replied yet,

I've gotten plenty out of you.

VOTE: Paid Pyro

What did you get then? Also, your style kinda changed here. Other times you explained in full detail what your thought process was, but now you suddenly withhold. Need more time, or something?

Anyway, you're claiming you build a case on him. Well, I disagree. That's hardly a case. You don't defend, or answer to some questions. Asking us to pressure PP more. Build a case if you find him scum-worthy. I think he's town, although he did tunnel you.

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I'm not reading PP's 156

Enforcing the moderator's rules?

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Why aren't you reading the thread? The questions are right there.

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I don't really like FH entrance. I mean, there is quote lists for a reason, or you could have grouped stuff up. Why did you have to write separate little posts for each?

I wrote them as I went through the thread. Excuse me for the short posts, but it made my job a whole lot easier.

Going to bed now, will check back tomorrow.

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What exactly makes you think I'm scummy, Mutley?
@Mist: Yeah I do know that but thanks. I just made the short replies because I wanted to give my first impression. If I would first collect all the quotes, my thoughts on it might change because I'd know how they reacted further down the line.

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Well, as I can't speak for what Shaboo wrote, and I can't argue against a gut feeling you have about me being over the top, I guess I'll just leave it at this. Don't stop scum-hunting though.

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I could see this, and I find FH's

posts a bit suspicious too, since he's clearly putting a lot down in a little time

. While I like the questions you've been asking, I'm also skeptical of the vote on me and

how you entered thread with several posts prodding and calling out certain players.

I am suspicious because I post a lot in little time and because I've entered the thread calling out certain players.. The "I'm skeptical about his vote" also sounds meh to me. I raised my points about you already. You just don't read them apparently. Even asking me to quote them. Which means you've not been reading the thread( but you do, since you like my questions according to your own words.) Kinda strange how you then missed the questions directed to you.

I'm pretty suspicious of people on my wagon, RC's, and Muttley's, and from some PoE I've whittled it down to
Paid Pyro - Has always been on my wagon. /shrug.
Shaboos - Originally on my wagon, left it for RC's wagon, then was replaced by FH who hopped on my wagon and put me at L-1.
DDP - Was on the Muttley Wagon, then swapped to Shaboos wagon with RC, then to my wagon.

[quoted]Actually, the fact that FH put me at L-1 and didn't say anything about it really strikes me hard.
It makes me seriously consider FH's status as town, since my wagon's an easy push AND since Shaboos' votes were largely opportunistic as well.[/quote]
Granted, I should've mentioned that I put you on L-1. That was a mistake on my part.
Why do you think you are an easy push? And Shaboos' votes were largely opportunistic, hmm?? He voted twice. Once in RVS. And once on RC when she started acting weird. You make it sound a lot more than it is.

Also, I'm at L-1, so if anyone wants to ask me questions regarding my alignment, or to discern my alignment, please do so before unvoting me or hammering.

I posted the questions already. I am not going to go back and find them for you. If you're town then it's your responsibility to read the thread and analyze posts; not mine. Your reluctance to do so, looks to me as avoidance.

While I am suspicious of you varsoon, as I stated earlier for me you are not a day 1 lynch. I also agree with those 3 you are split on. I am sure there is 1 scum in there. Therefore we stand a better chance lynching one of those 3. I find it hard with their voting that none of them are scum.

Preference -- Freezing Hell
DDDP
Dexter

So, you'd rather vote for FH than DDDP and Dexter?

Honestly, FH and DDDP are top of my list.
In fact, I don't know why I didn't do this in the post I made earlier when I made a case on FH. Guess it'd seem a bit OMGUS? Whatever, doesn't mean my case isn't a solid one.

You seemed quite eager on PP before, yet you change when Mutley is telling his two suspects. Sheeping a bit here, hm? Also, town doesn't have to worry about looking OMGUS. Build a fine case and you're fine. Yours isn't fine. Neither was the one you had on PP. You're grasping at straws. But please do continue your 'scum-hunting', I'm sure you'll point us straight to your scum buddy.

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Unless the mod has a rule that says “don’t be an idiot writing massive tomes when a few lines works just as well”, no.

I see. Thought you didn't like the: 'no hidden text' rule, with all those spoilers. Oh and wanna share your reads on the mafia choo-choo wagon?

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@mist, dexter, zoggoth: Who is your top suspect at the moment?

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@DDP: Meant the Varsoon wagon.
@Zoggoth:Looking forward to that post.

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Lynch me and I'll flip town.
What information will you get out of that?


We've got another week, feel free to look into other possible scumspects.

Then by all means, continue to do so. I don't think you'll flip town.
Anyway, why haven't you answered some questions yet?

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@DDP: Meant the Varsoon wagon.

Well I think I've pretty much answered that and if I was bothered by the people on the wagon surely I would be off it.

Varsoon: show, don't tell.

The only way to show is for you to lynch me and see.
This is a game of telling.

If you flip town, who do you hope we lynch next?

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What's your opinion about mist?

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Who do you want to lynch the most, and who the least?

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@Dexter,mist,zoggoth: Wanna lynch Varsoon?

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Why not lynch Shaboo?

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I replaced Shaboo. So who did you actually mean?

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My cat and dog live together. Does this mean I am a good player now? Or is this a universe where cats dogs live together but I'm still a bad player?

Why are you so reluctant to vote for Varsoon?

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I wouldn't want him lynched day 1

That's what I actually meant, but chose my words poorly. Why are/were you so reluctant to lynch him day 1? Was it because of a specific reason or simply that there is someone else ( me, as you've stated a few times) that looks scummier?

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It would be nice, to see how people saw him, if we do have a flip.

You can just look back at the posts. You'll likely do that anyway. Kinda pointless.

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I feel he posts a lot of questions and

accuses a lot of people

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You need to read me again because this is absolutely wrong.

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Okay......... i'm not seeing how that's scummy.

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I think Varsoon is scum for the points and questions(and lack of answers) I raised:
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Oh - and PP's case I found quite compelling as well.

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Nothing is stopping you from making a case for who you think is scummy. Try to convince us.

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Don't. He hasn't claimed a role yet, plus I want him to give his last reads on everyone.

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Mutley seems a bit anxious to lynch.

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You just seem a little eager to lynch, that's the feeling I got. Not necessarily scummy, just interesting

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Even though I said it was a reaction test.

As mist said in a way a hammer can be good we get a flip. Can analyse that a little etc. however I am not prepared to be the hammer yet as there's more to talk about and I have you as my target still. However you are less scummy than before

From my phone, and a bit drunk, when you say is a reaction test, then it's already no longer a reaction test.

What kind of reaction were you testing for?

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What legitimate defense would that be?

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What were you testing for then? Oh - I'm still fine with a Varsoon lynch, as things stand at the moment. But I don't want him to be lynched before he claims and gives his last reads. This is all normal procedure, pretty much. But like I said, you just looked a bit lynch happy before someone had claimed.

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put up a legitimate defense against his wagon instead of deflecting (like RC) or ignoring (mutley) a

What legitimate defense would that be?

For clarification.

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I have the real urge to hammer.

Stop!!!! It's Hammer time!!

Not really that was a little reaction test

Ohh - now I get it. The first post was the reaction test. I read it as if you meant the reaction test was the second post.

Yes you are drunk. Yes it stopped. Hence why I was questioning you saying I'm anxious cos I had said I was reaction testing. I got a reaction out of you and pyro. Of not actually wanting the hammer, even though you two have prob been the most vocal on varsoons lynch.

So how do you feel about that? Of me not wanting the hammer just yet? I mean you did a reaction test, so what did that give you for information?

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I've already said. As I'm pretty sure you are someone who says that others should go and find what has already been said.

You haven't said yet what I wanted to hear. It's very good of you to notice that I don't want the hammer to fall yet, but what does that signify? Apparently something, otherwise you wouldn't bring it up.

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Don't have time right now, about to go on a 2 hour trip. Will have internet tomorrow again, so I'll just keep it short and answer the questions at the bottom.

Was there something in the way Varsoon was behaving before your replaced in that made him seem scummy, or did you simply post more about him because he has been the most active player, and there was more to ask him about?

I am going after Varsoon because he looks the scummiest to me. It's as simple as that. Ofcourse, if you post more then you get more feedback. However, I am not just focusing on him. But my scum-radar is buzzing when I look at Varsoon more so than others, hence why I prefer him to be today's lynch.

I didn't get your point about the defense though. I understood from your post that Varsoon had made a legitimate defense?

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I've already said. As I'm pretty sure you are someone who says that others should go and find what has already been said.

You haven't said yet what I wanted to hear. It's very good of you to notice that I don't want the hammer to fall yet, but what does that signify? Apparently something, otherwise you wouldn't bring it up.

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Don't hammer until just before the deadline. It's only two more days, don't need to rush it now.

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So me and dddp if varsoon would flip town, who then if he flips scum?

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That was for zoggoth, sorry. Posting from my phone isn't that easy.

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Interesting exchange. Still don't have a lot of time at the moment, so will put in a good post on the morrow.

/Teaching mode
Good thing to mention though, is that it's quite common what DDDP is doing: He is willing to compromise in order to get a result he wants and is open about it. This is a somewhat regular practice in mafia games. I'm not the best fan of it though, I prefer writing out a case and convincing why they should vote for someone - but that's just personal preference.
/End of teaching mode

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Also you should all scratch behind your ears if you think I'm scummy because I'm asking and probing a lot of questions. Also, me and tunneling...........what? I can't at the same time accuse everyone and tunnel. Will respond into more detail tomorrow. I'll explain who I want to see lynched, and why (since that apparently isn't completely clear) and why the case on me is completely crap. See you all on the morrow.

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The change in votes is interesting. DDP trying to get his way by using leverage over Varsoon. Varsoon isn't sure if that's a town thing or a scum thing to do. Because DDDP could've instead also wrote a case about mist in order to pursuade the rest of the town. It's especially interesting since it's so close to the deadline - makes one wonder why he suddenly opens up other possibilties for lynchees. Atleast, that's how I felt.

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This is getting ridiculous.

@mod: can we get a replacement for RC? Or atleast a prod.

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I fucking hate playing mafia on my netbook, can't do shit with it - sigh. My first feelings after reading the exchange:
I want to lynch RC instead of Varsoon. RC isn't doing anything. And when she comes back, she just states she still fully supports Varsoon wagon and disappears again..... Varsoon seems slightly townier now, though still more leaning scum. Will have a look at the Mist wagon now and see what that beef is all about.

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And I never did the reads because I was lazy to do so... I usually get my reads done by the end of the day to get my thoughts out for the night.

Now would be a good time.

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I feel he posts a lot of questions and accuses a lot of people. This, to me, sounds like scum grasping for straws.

Your reason for voting me, like I said I don't see how that is scummy. Besides, instead of looking (and commenting?) on the things I asked or what I 'accused' someone of, you simply dismiss it as scummy.

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And she isn't the only one with that reasoning...Varsoon, Zoggoth, you guys as well. Granted, you both did state I didn't explain my L-1 vote (which I kinda did afterwards though). Quite daring of you guys as well to put a vote based on this reasoning..

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I'll let you know if Mist is a lynch candidate after she spilled her reads, like she promised she does. For now it's RC -> Varsoon. If RC won't get any heat, then it's Varsoon all the way.

unvote

vote: RC

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DDDP: When are you going to say that RC's behavior, or lack of behavior, is scummy? Never? She's been coasting and sheeping all through the day. I'll have a look at the mist wagon later today. Varsoon is still scummy, just slightly less, like I said. I bet we won't hear from RC anymore today. To me it feels like she is just waiting for someone to get lynched and then she'll get back. If she's not, though, then I want her replaced asap. because it's damaging the game.

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Yeah, okay. You're right about Mist, prittaay prittaaay pritaaay scummy (kudos if you get that reference) .
Just for fun, calling it now: Varsoon/Mist = scumteam
RC would just be an useless crap player.

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vote: Varsoon

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Hmm.. You no longer think varsoon to be scum?
I don't particularly mind I guess. I'm fine with either, tbh. I'm planning on going after the remaining one tomorrow anyway.

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Welp, I don't mind.

unvote

vote: mist

On the phone at the moment as I otherwise have no internet access, but maybe that's fixed tomorrow. If so, I'll post why varsoon is still scum.

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Lol. Guess RC is clearly not reading the game.

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Varsoon, could you give your reads as well on everyone? A simple list like Mist would suffice, if you want to expand on it it's fine (and always better) as well.

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Don't worry about a no-lynch. I can hammer Varsoon anytime I want. There's still RC, and Zog left as well.

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Oh I misread. Thought he was at L-1. The latest votecount doesn't make sense either. You don't have a vote on anyone at the moment, I believe. You need to cast a vote today, btw. Deadline is in 10 hours or so.

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You had both better explain yourself.

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Because so far the case on me has been nothing but rubbish.

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Yes I said I would. I just need time to reasses. You should read, as I said I will make sure there is a no lynch. Im giving both candiadtes time to claim or make one last defense with reads etc.

Ah I see what happened. I'm in a completely different timezone than you. Looking at the time you said "I'll vote tomorrow" for me it was already wednesday when you posted that so I thought you wanted to put out your vote on Thursday instead of today.

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Varsoon, could you give your reads as well on everyone? A simple list like Mist would suffice, if you want to expand on it it's fine (and always better) as well.

After your classes, i'd like this.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Varsoon since you're closer to the lynch and I don't know if I'll be able to check back before the deadline. Will try too, though.

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FH, it seems you are far too happy with the mist wagon thats happened along with varsoon being the other candidate.

I would be happy with her lynch because of the points that DDDP raised. Plus, her case on me where she disregards what I say in those posts and just says it's scummy is enough of an indication for me that she herself is scum. I don't need to claim because I am not worried I'll be lynched. You can leave your vote there whole day long and it won't help for shit.

Yeah, I'm in the netherlands. That post of yours was made Wednesday 12.06AM on my screen. I'm 1 hour further ahead than you.

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I thought you found Varsoon more scummy than mist?

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But yeah, I don't mind who gets lynched. They're both scum.

unvote

vote: Mist

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This is ridiculous. Where are the players? :-/

unvote

vote: Varsoon

DDDP, I know you think him town now, but i 100% think he's scum.

Why Varsoon is scum:

A) states something weird, backpedals saying it's a reaction test
B) said he found scum with the reaction test
C) after a while doesn't do anything about his suspect nr. 1
D) claims he build a case on said suspect (didn't do more than the reaction test in reality)
E) States Shaboo/Freezinghell is scummy. Shaboo is opportunistic. Later on, Shaboo is suddenly town.
F) 10000 town slips
G) States someone should lynch him (could just self-vote at this point)
H) Votes me for pretty much the same reasoning as Mist (lots of posts/asking questions. (Suddenly forgetting about PP this whole time)
I) States in the beginning that if someone is put at L-1, he wants them to make a case for themselves (and claim if I remember correctly), but doesn't do this himself until he is prodded beyond believe to do so
J) Claims by saying basically nothing
K) Says I am scum for tunneling/accusing people. Has mostly similar posts as I, but then it's not scummy if he does it himself.

This was pretty much from the top of my head. I'm on a shitty netbook that's not that great to play mafia with. So please excuse my poor formatting and lack of quotes. It's all in his ISO though. Pretty sure I missed other stuff still.

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Dexter! Glad you're here. Wanna lynch Mist/Varsoon? We kinda need your vote.

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Relax, Varsoon. We still win if we manage to get the scum. I can understand your frustations, but that's how the game works.
You pushing my wagon really made me think you're scum all the more, tbh. Together with the other points I raised concern about. We have given you plenty of time to let people defend, not sure what you meant with that. Anyway, there's plenty of time for post-game discussion. I hope to see you'll there.

@mutley: I was a bit nervous of a no-lynch so I moved to the wagon which was closer to the lynch.

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Can't post today, in hospital..

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today I really want to see more FH posts

Funny. You want to see more posts of me, while having too many posts was what made me scummy...... but I think I'll have some time later today.

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I meant what you thought of the lynch and the night kill.

The lynch was justified enough. Varsoon acted scummy and got lynched. Yes, he appeared a bit more town but he was still scummy in my eyes. I switched back to him because A) he's a suspect, B) I'd rather lynch my suspect than possibly get lynched myself. I think they killed PP because he was quiet, and perhaps scum saw that as PR-indication of some sorts. Also, it's pretty obvious that scum will now look at those at the Varsoon wagon and try to pin them for it. Quite interesting how you want to know my opinion but not that of Zoggoth, for example.

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FoS: Mist

wanna vote her but don't know how many votes she has ATM, and don't have time to look it up.

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No attempt to hammer. You being at L-1 is fine enough. What did you think of the NK?? And what do you make of Zoggoth so far? Also, who do you want to see lynched today?

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Mist. Who are your most townreads?

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I want Zoggoth to make his in-depth analysis first.

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My reads thus far haven't changed. Still want to see a mist-lynch. But I wanna hear Zoggoth first. There is honestly no reason why we can't wait a few days.

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Lol kk, mist.... Right.... Perfectly understandable to not check your number one suspect

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vote :mist

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Zoggoth wanted to put in analysis as well

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Yeah, we're hitting scum right here. Mist, who would you inspect coming night if you were to live?

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So Dexter is one mafia, hmm.

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Don't worry about it. Who do you think is scum?

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VOTE: Dexter
DDDP, come vote dexter with me. RC wont hammer his scum buddy too soon.

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Yup. So DDDP is definitely town. But RC definitely scum.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: RC

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No town would jump on that wagon, because A) No reasoning that I gave B) It would allow a quick hammer from scum that would win them the game.
Ergo, RC is 100% scum

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Oh - and that also kinda means that Zoggoth is the last scum, likely.

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Yeah. Okay. Dexter is obv town now as well. Hurray! We won in Lylo

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UNVOTE:
Just making sure. Dex, DDDP. You agree that atleast RC is scum?

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Goddamn was that all a test? Scared the crap out of me.

Yeah it was, sorry mate. What I did was really irresponsible though, and it could've cost us the game.

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No you didn't.

I read DDDP and Dexter as most town. I would not support a lynch on either at this time, even to stop a NL.
I have a null read on Freezing-Hell and Zoggoth. I would prefer not to lynch either of those at this time, but they would be preferable to a NL.
I have a slight scumread on Mutley. I would support a lynch on him at this time if Mist is not getting lynched.
I read Mist7676 as most scum. I would (and am) support(ing) a lynch on her at this time.

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Confirmed scum.

How is he confirmed scum????????????

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If Dexter was town then he would know that FH voting him and me voting him means we both have to be scum.

This doesn't make sense.

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Why would you place a L-1 when you don't know what the others will say? Only one reason: you're scum. I'm not changing my thoughts on this.

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Why are you voting Dexter if you think of him town? You just said yourself that you mistook him for Mutley.

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I don't think he's town. I mixed up the names, not the reads.

lol. I quoted your latest read on Dex. And he was your town read. You went from town to conf scum.

I also think you're scum.

I bet you do.

Also @DDDP, don't presume to judge my competence.

I know full well what I was doing

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And what exactly were you doing then?

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You went from town to conf scum with your read on him*

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Also @DDDP, don't presume to judge my competence. I know full well what I was doing.

And what exactly were you doing then?

Answer this.

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Of course he's confirmed scum. I voted him + no quickhammer = conf scum.

Now bus your partner for towncred please.

^ I don't think anyone needs more proof than this for why Cowbells is scum.

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Because in LYLO you don't put out a serious vote to lynch before everyone has said what they wanted. I'll vote you then.

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" Also @DDDP, don't presume to judge my competence. I know full well what I was doing."
And what exactly were you doing then?

You still haven't answered this one.

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Oh woops - sorry, I read over that post.

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So why is Dex actually a scum?

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Right. So he and you are scum, then.

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No can't do. Today is RadiantCowBells-lynch day.

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Why would you vote at all when you don't know what others will say, hypocrite?

I went with a dangerous gambit in order to find out who scum was. I have to be honest and say that it was stupid to do, and really risky, but it got us scum soo hurray.

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Then why aren't you voting me?

I already said I will vote you. Doesn't matter if I do it today or tomorrow or the day after. I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts first. Plus, I'm deciding who the last scum is; you being the first scum.

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My thoughts:

Cowbells = 100% scum because of general posts and vibe. His lack of reasoning in LYLO and putting someone at L-1, allowing possible scum partner to quickhammer.
DDDP = conf town, unless he really likes to torture town and didn't quickhammer for his own amusement. But that would mean he is sick in the head, so he's 100% town.
Dex = not too sure about him. His reaction to my vote read townie to me, though:

What the heck dude? Take your vote off before you lose the game for us. You didn't even give any reasons why you voted me.

Then again, it's easily faked perhaps.
Zoggoth: Also not too sure about him. I thought he was town during day 1, but I honestly don't know now.

Anyway, I feel like RC lynch would be best.

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Don't forget RC/Dex. They might have decided to bus one or the other.

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I do also question DDDP for not considering that possibility, because his claim of bad play on my part would make my actions make sense; I tried to bus my partner but then didn't know what to do after, and he made the play of looking town to turn the bus on me so that I get lynched, he kills DDDP tomorrow, then pushes FH to get a lynch on Zoggoth tomorrow.

You do know that DDDP is confirmed town, right? Unless he is sick and perverse in the head and wants to toy with us, which I don't think he is.
So why would you question him?

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@Cowbells, you think Zoggoth is scum?

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He's confirmed town, because it was L-1 and he didn't hammer. If he was scum, and hammered, he'd have won.

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Good point. Okay. Dexter is the scum.

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God fucking damnit, I hate lylo. Makes me fucking paranoia as shit.

Scum is in RC/DEX/Zoggoth. I'm not having it that DDP is scum.
Will have a look at the mist wagon tomorrow when I have time. Maybe one of the scum rolecop checked mist and decided to vote for her on day 2 whereas before he didn't felt like voting for her.

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Will wait for everyone to report in, but I'm voting CowBells today. She's the last scum. I'm VT.

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No hasty votes by anyone in 3 way LyLo please.

Zoggoth, I don't think you're considering voting me but this quote should tell you enough already. He's in survivalistic mode right now because he knows he is screwed. Also, the rest of his posts; I don't think that needs further explaining.

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I'm sure we all saw that Dexter just pushed on me when we were both options.

WIFOM.

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@MOD: could you prod Zoggoth? I don't think he realized that the game started yet, and I'd like to finish this

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@MOD: could you prod Zoggoth? I don't think he realized that the game started yet, and I'd like to finish this

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I don't care what the IC thought. I feel confident in my own read. Plus, I just don't see a Zoggoth scum so by process of elimination you must be scum.

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I don't care what the IC thought.

Because he could be wrong. Actually. I'm going to re-read Zoggoth.

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Yeah, Zoggoth is town. The more I think about it, it doesn't actually matter if I wait for Zoggoth before placing a vote.

VOTE: RC

Zoggoth, if you can't decide then say so. I'm too lazy to write out the case against RC, but upon request I would have to oblige. Although, you're a analytical player yourself, you can probably find out yourself why he's scum.

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Well, that's that then. Congratulations, glad it's over!

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Congrats to mafia.. Not sure about any advice, Zoggoth. Perhaps you'd need to be a bit more agressive. To be honest, I didn't care about this game at all because of RadiantCowBells. I didn't care if she was mafia either, I am just policy lynching him in every game. Completely ruined the fun for me in this game.