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Post Post #10 (isolation #0) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:04 pm

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Freshman
: if someone acted scummy and then replaced out, should you continue believing that his replacement is scum?

Zoggoth
: Are you for or against lynching an experienced player Day 1?

DDD
: do you believe that since you are the most experienced, that your faction has a higher chance of winning? Also should we be taking your word over someone else's?

Mutleyddmc
: What do you want your legacy this game to be? When it's all over, what do you want to be remembered for?

Aphelion72
: Please give us a good reason not to lynch you D1

Mist7676
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Paid Pyro
: Being the SE's I'm curious about what you have to say on a Day 1 lynch of the IC. He is the most experienced player, and could very well lead scum to victory if he is scum.

Radiant Cowbells
: Should a town player ever lie about his role? What if that player is a VT? What if that player is a power role?
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Post Post #25 (isolation #1) » Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:29 am

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Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
Zoggoth wrote:@DDD While I'm sure that you are entirely aware of your alignment, I find your assumption that everyone else will believe you troubling. Isn't it usually assumed that everyone claims to be town? (other than mutley of course) Are you sure that you're not a scum who's panicking at being in a game with such obviously skilled scumhunters?


I didn't say that everyone will believe me, I said everyone should. And everyone should claim to be town, yes. But personally I believe doing so (unprompted) has some benefits, it accustoms and suggests the idea to other players directly and why would scum bother claiming town since everyone will anyways, thus I think it's persuasive as a basic truth. And I'm extremely 100% confident that I am not panicked nor scum and thus am certainly not panicked scum.


Does that mean that I should claim town right now, as should all the other town players? And yeah, I know that we should all listen to you if you are in fact town, since you would be the most experienced town player here. However, what if you were scum and you were lying? We would all be following you to our defeat (your victory).
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Post Post #32 (isolation #2) » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:42 am

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the amount of activity in this game is just phenomenal. I almost cant keep up!! /sarcasm

shaboostein wrote:I'm having a hard time tracking these questions and philosophical responses. Is it supposed to answer a question, be a general discussion, or gauge someone's play style?


I asked the questions so that we could hopefully get out of RVS, get discussion going, and cause I'm wondering whether lynching the IC would be a good idea for us or not.

Since you replaced Aphelion, can you answer his question?
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Post Post #35 (isolation #3) » Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:04 pm

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Guess I'm just paranoid that we're all gonna sheep the most experienced one here and if he's scum, we're screwed.
As for shaboostein, how are you gonna help us catch scum?
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Post Post #42 (isolation #4) » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:27 am

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Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
dex wrote:
Guess I'm just paranoid that we're all gonna sheep the most experienced one here and if he's scum, we're screwed.



Has anyone acted like they're going to sheep me or are you just battling a problem that doesn't actually exist?


I think I'm battling a problem that doesn't exist in this game. I just remember getting dominated in an IRL mafia game cause of something similar to this
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Post Post #62 (isolation #5) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:37 am

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Ughh I would hate if Mutley ended up being scum and we just never lynched him since we assumed he was just town playing as scum.
RadiantCowbells hasn't done much either, but I'm more willing to attribute that to just the RVS stage and fooling around rather than actively trying to play like scum since he actually did useful stuff in his previous game.
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Post Post #71 (isolation #6) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:50 am

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Buddy if you're town, you should care if you get lynched. Assuming Mutleytown, you would be the only one that knows your role, besides the two mafioso. To yourself, you would be confirmed town. And we should all do our best to try and keep confirmed town players from dying. So therefore you should be caring since you know a lynch on you is a mislynch.

Now if you're scum, well then you should care too since if you get lynched that's half your team gone right there.

So no matter which team you're on you should be caring. And you're not.
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Post Post #84 (isolation #7) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:01 pm

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Mutley
Mutleyddmc wrote:Sorry dexter I didn't explain it completely clearly. He was talking about not just this game. I do not care for being lynched its a game you move on to the next one even if you are the first person lynched. I'm not going to be sad and beat myself up about it cos I don't conform to how he wants me to play.

I'm not saying that you should go cry in a corner and stop playing mafia forever if you get lynched. You don't have to conform to how people want you to play if you don't want to. That being said, mafia is a team effort for the most part. Right now, if you're town, you're harming the team.

Vote: Mutleyddmc


If you have a good reason for why we shouldn't lynch you, I would like to hear it. Otherwise, my vote is staying on you.


Varsoon
Varsoon wrote:Please check the other game I linked with Mutley from a few posts back.
Their mislynch of Mutley ruined two of their days and essentially put them in LyLo.

Yeah, that may be true, but do we really want someone like Mutley to be here later? I feel like if he continues playing the way he does right now it'll hurt us even more in the long run. Either he changes how he plays and actually becomes useful to the town, or we lynch him

Varsoon wrote:
IF ANYONE ELSE VOTES MUTLEY WITHOUT A GOOD REASON, YOU WILL BE SCUM SUSPECT. THIS GOES DOUBLY IF ANYONE JUST HAMMERS HIM, ESP. IF HE FLIPS TOWN

Varsoon wrote:I feel like anyone who is put at L-2 and especially L-1 should be given time to make their case and the other players should weigh in before hammers are dropped or the wagon is stopped. It's more fair that way, and it keeps quickhammers and mislynches from happening.

I feel like we can't half ass this. He needs the real pressure of being lynched. My vote stays.

Varsoon wrote:I think we should seriously discuss the possibility of him being town or scum. Honestly, I'm null-leaning town right now, but my opinion is largely painted by how he reacted as well as his previous game.

He could be town, he could be scum. I have no idea. What I do know is that I'm willing to have him lynched despite the fact that he could very likely be town.
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Post Post #119 (isolation #8) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:56 pm

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Zoggoth wrote:Dexter: I think that he was slightly heavy towards IC/SE lynch early on, but it looks honest to me (if he is scum, then I would guess that the other scum would be newbie as well, it just doesn't look like a bus to me). I definitely don't agree with his [L-1] vote on mutley, it seems a little too dangerous to me, and I think only one of mutley's wagon is scum (it would be too risky to have both scum on there, as mutley flipping town would incriminate both of them), and it looks far too easy for a scum-hammer to be justified by policy lynch. However I have a null read on him, as the vote could still be town motivated (mutley isn't being particularly helpful).

I've already explained, its just cause I remember getting absolutely dominated in an IRL mafia game by a dude that was the most experienced of me and my friends.

As for my vote on Mutley, yes it was dangerous. I meant it to be dangerous. The way I saw it, Mutley wasn't gonna start posting actual stuff unless he had significant pressure on him. He needed to be put at L-1. In the case that someone hammered, we would know that the hammerer is scum. If he self hammered, then good riddance. Wouldn't want someone that would self hammer here anyways.

Now that his posts are much better, Im going to go ahead and remove my vote, Whether it was my vote that made him stop or something else, I have no idea. But I will say that my vote did help in that.
unvote


As for Radiant's vote above, wtf is that. Just votes Mutley with no reasoning, and also its pretty strong OMGUS.

Vote: RadiantCowbells
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Post Post #152 (isolation #9) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:11 pm

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Just dropping in to say I'm still following the game on my phone, just been real busy lately. I'll post actual stuff tomorrow when I get a chance
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Post Post #167 (isolation #10) » Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:02 am

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Wait didn't Varsoon say earlier that whoever puts someone at L-1 is scum?
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Post Post #169 (isolation #11) » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:08 am

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Yeah it seems like there are a few players that kinda just lurk and only post when they've been called out on something. But I'm not gonna condemn them for it since I haven't been very active recently, and also I feel like real life should always take precedence over mafia.

RCOkay so I did an ISO of all his posts.

ISO 0 (post 4): RVS vote on Mist.
ISO 1 (post 12): Answers my question about lying about roles, says should be done for gambits
ISO 2 (post 14): Complains bout inactivity
ISO 3 (post 23): Claims dayvig completely not seriously during a lull in activity
ISO 4 (post 27): Complains about inactivity, self votes
ISO 5 (post 44): Complains about inactivity
ISO 6 (post 46): Says Mist is null, leaning town. Then votes Shaboostein for no reason?
ISO 7 (post 64): Votes Mutley due to his unhelpful and scum like play
ISO 8 (post 73): Unvotes Mutley, wants a replacement
ISO 9 (post 95): Wants Mutley replaced
ISO 10 (post 118): Votes Mutley
ISO 11 (post 130): Not playing until Mutley gets lynched
ISO 12 (post 132): Says he already offered to be replaced in response to Mutley telling him he has become the troll
ISO 13 (post 148): Votes Shaboostein for lurking and then responding instantly
ISO 14 (post 154): Says the pressure on him make no sense and no one will hammer
ISO 15 (post 160): Agree with Paid Pyro and votes for Varsoon

16 posts. Iso 0, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9, 11 are all completely unimportant to the game. Thats about half his posts.

The other half of his posts is voting/unvoting, or just restating what other people have said. RC has actually not brought anything new to the table.

RadiantCowbells wrote:
Vote: Shaboostein


baaah

No but seriously, lurks away the game, then BAM gets voted and responds instantly.
I don't like it.

Just like 2 posts above him is Varsoon saying the exact same thing

RadiantCowbells wrote:Paid Pyro's logic is solid and I find little wrong with it.
At the very least, Varsoon should defend himself.

Vote: Varsoon

Again, only a few posts above PP had laid out an entire case on Varsoon.

So pretty much, RC's posts have all been fluff or repeating what others have said. I'd like to see some of your own ideas, rather than you just restating other's ideas.


ShaboosteinOkay. So I asked him why we shouldn't lynch him D1. Shaboostein responds
shaboostein wrote:Why not lynch me during D1? Because you want to catch scum and win, and I can help you do that.

Errrr.....I don't know if its just me, but I haven't seen Shaboostein help us catch scum very much.
shaboostein wrote:As for how I'm going to help the town catch the scum, I'm gonna closely look at the game and use my cranium to make logical arguments and reasonings about players. I will then use my power of the vote to pressure the scummiest player. That's the game plan so far. I'll let you know if something changes.

I also don't see this happening very much.
shaboostein wrote:I don't want to have to deal with Mutely's shenanigans later in the game. He's at L-1 now, so I'll let him post and make his case. I'm pretty sure there's scum on his wagon, he's just too easy a target. If he get's lynched, I hope its a bus, but at the moment I think he just hinders the town as is.

It seems like there is scum on the Mutley wagon! This must be the helping the town Shaboostein was talking about!
Varsoon wrote:I do think that one person with a vote on you[Mutley] is scum.

Oh wait this post came before yours and its literally on the same page above yours.

The good news is that you then actually post useful information, so hopefully the rest of your posts are like that. I do want to bring to attention something tho.

Remember RC's random Shaboostein vote earlier? It was when PP told him to not selfvote. Just two posts after RC's vote on him, Shaboostein suddenly appears in the thread. With an OMGUS vote on RC.
Then, he disappears again until DDD votes him. Yall have already discussed how BOOM he was suddenly back after the vote. Its just definitely something to note, that hes done this twice already.


As for Varsoon, I haven't looked that thoroughly at you and your posts, but judging from what PP said, you seem to be a HUUUUGGEEEEE hypocrite. Also, I really don't like how you put RC at L-1 since you said earlier in huge bold text not to put Mutley at L-1. Why is it not okay to put Mutley at L-1, but it's okay to put RC at L-1? It seems like you're mighty protective of him.
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Post Post #206 (isolation #12) » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:17 pm

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freezing-hell wrote:
dexter9264 wrote:
Zoggoth wrote:Dexter: I think that he was slightly heavy towards IC/SE lynch early on, but it looks honest to me (if he is scum, then I would guess that the other scum would be newbie as well, it just doesn't look like a bus to me). I definitely don't agree with his [L-1] vote on mutley, it seems a little too dangerous to me, and I think only one of mutley's wagon is scum (it would be too risky to have both scum on there, as mutley flipping town would incriminate both of them), and it looks far too easy for a scum-hammer to be justified by policy lynch. However I have a null read on him, as the vote could still be town motivated (mutley isn't being particularly helpful).

I've already explained, its just cause I remember getting absolutely dominated in an IRL mafia game by a dude that was the most experienced of me and my friends.
As for my vote on Mutley, yes it was dangerous. I meant it to be dangerous. The way I saw it, Mutley wasn't gonna start posting actual stuff unless he had significant pressure on him. He needed to be put at L-1. In the case that someone hammered, we would know that the hammerer is scum. If he self hammered, then good riddance. Wouldn't want someone that would self hammer here anyways.
Now that his posts are much better, Im going to go ahead and remove my vote, Whether it was my vote that made him stop or something else, I have no idea. But I will say that my vote did help in that.
unvote

As for Radiant's vote above, wtf is that. Just votes Mutley with no reasoning, and also its pretty strong OMGUS.
Vote: RadiantCowbells

Interesting to see you wanted to defend yourself on those points, but more so I'd like to know what you didn't focus on anything else from his post.


Why wouldn't I defend myself?
And I didn't focus on anything else on his post cause....well....I don't really know. I guess I kinda just saw my name and focused on what was directed at me.
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Post Post #211 (isolation #13) » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:46 pm

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My stuff in
RED

Zoggoth wrote:
Varsoon:
Seems to be acting very sensibly by stopping a possible bad lynch. I find it slightly odd at how little it took for arguments to start between you and DDDP and PP, so this makes me slightly suspicious, as it looks more like bussing than mafia arguing with town, but I wont take this as a scum read until I have better reads of the two people you're arguing with. So he's a town read atm.

I disagree here, but Varsoon wasn't as hypocritical and contradictory prior to this post. Possible buddying/defending scumbuddy here? Especially since next post is Varsoon saying that he agrees with Zoggoth


Dexter:
I think that he was slightly heavy towards IC/SE lynch early on, but it looks honest to me (if he is scum, then I would guess that the other scum would be newbie as well, it just doesn't look like a bus to me). I definitely don't agree with his [L-1] vote on mutley, it seems a little too dangerous to me, and I think only one of mutley's wagon is scum (it would be too risky to have both scum on there, as mutley flipping town would incriminate both of them), and it looks far too easy for a scum-hammer to be justified by policy lynch. However I have a null read on him, as the vote could still be town motivated (mutley isn't being particularly helpful).

This is me, I already responded


RadientCowbells:
His ISO is very telling, almost no actual content, and a huge amount of complaining about inactivity. Also seems to be very cautious about being involved in the mutley wagon, so I've got a slight scum read on him. (I admit that his ISO is very similar to mine, but at least I've answered questions with some significant content).

I also did an ISO on RC, and I found the same thing. Very little actual content, and pretty much no scumhunting.


Mutleyddmc:
Lots of scum tells (Posting a lot with very little content other than trying to defend himself, trying to look like he is making a contribution, without helping town at all, faking(?) not caring about being lynched, muddying the water with all his joke scum claims) but somehow I'm having trouble imagining a scummutley. I'm going to have to say that unless he starts posting some actual useful content then I will put his vote on him again, deliberately not helping town is a scum tell in my opinion, and I don't want to have him sticking around the whole game making it difficult for the rest of us.

This is before Mutley's play improved. At first, I had thought that Mutley was just a bad player, one that should be policy lynched. Chances are that he's town since its more likely to pull a town role, but whatever. However, now that Mutley has posted actual not terrible stuff, I'm a bit worried about him. Cleary, Mutley is not a terrible player, and that makes me worried that he may be scum that went through all that he did to somehow convince us hes not scum


Shaboostein:
a little bit inactive so far, currently a null tell, I would be interested to see what they post now that they're back.
poke


Hasn't done anything at this point in the game, nothing to say here.


Mist7676:
Lots of interesting discussion early on, about the IC lynch. I'm not sure whether I agree with her mutley vote at the moment, I feel a bit more justification is needed, but really that would need some actual content on mutleys part. currently a bit of a null tell.

Mist has been slipping under my radar. Nothing that jumps out and shouts scum, but nothing that shouts out town either


Paid Pyro:
Has done very little so far other than have a go at Varsoon and RC, with not a lot of content himself. Still has his vote from RVS down, without a lot of justification, would you mind explaining? So far slight scum read, but their response to this question could very easily change this.

Had a little confrontation with Varsoon. Of them, I feel like one of them could very possibly be scum. I'm leaning more towards Varsoon at the moment, since PP seems to have pretty solid arguments and is far less hypocritical


DDDP:
I'm not going to wade into the rights and wrongs of his argument with Varsoon, but to be honest it looks like town vs. town to me, from his other posts I am getting a weak town read, but I can't help feeling that this is just because he keeps mentioning that he is town.

Hasn't done very much. But at the same time, has done a lot more than some other players. I get a very weak scum read, but it's more based on gut than anything. Maybe it's just my bias towards experienced players.


Zoggoth:
Obviously the towniest of the town tells, and completely wonderful and helpful in every way. Doesn't even need any justification. :]

Clear obviscum right here. Lynch on sight! jk his posts have seem pretty helpful so far, but at the same time his activity is kinda low. Null read for him


freezing-hell wrote:For clarification: Which better posts of Mutley made you unvote him?


My vote on Mutley was purely based on the fact that I felt like he was detrimental to the town and deserved to be policy lynched. That was pretty much the whole basis of my reason for wanting to lynch him.
His posts from #98 on have all been non troll posts, and he has actual content in most of them. Since he stopped being a giant doucheface, I took my vote off of him
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Post Post #215 (isolation #14) » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:24 pm

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Mutleyddmc wrote:@dexter you have me wrong I am actually a terrible player. My reads are almost usually always wrong until it gets to a lylo situation where I seem to get better but it's too late!

Doesn't matter. As long as you're not actively screwing town I have no reason to push a policy lynch
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Post Post #241 (isolation #15) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:34 am

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unvote
as my current vote is doing absolutely nothing. Gonna post later when I got time.
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Post Post #327 (isolation #16) » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:27 pm

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Hey sorry life's been kinda crazy this week. I'm really sorry, I'll post an actual post in a bit
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Post Post #328 (isolation #17) » Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:05 pm

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VARSOON
In post 279, Varsoon wrote:I think that my posts already prove that so far. If I was to make a case for myself being town, it would be a constructed effort, and, therefore, liable to be speculated as scum covering his ass. My case for myself lies in you (and other players) clicking the drop down menu next to the words 'Display Posts by user:', clicking my name, and looking through all of my posts, my interactions with other players, etc, and making an informed decision off of how I have played throughout the whole of the game rather than what I say in one post.
What the heck are you saying? Since we accused you of being scum, you can't defend yourself because that makes you look more scummy? Sounds to me like you just cant think of a good defense.
In post 290, Varsoon wrote:The most? Right now it's Dexter, DDDP, and FH. I'm feeling really strongly on the Dexter vote, since he's got the ability to hammer me, but hasn't yet, and still has yet to explain why he thinks I'm town instead of scum. To me, it's a safe move for scum not to hammer, and Dexter doesn't want that kind of attention. So, honestly, I'd be down for a Dexter lynch, then a FH lynch, then DDDP.
Okay. So. 1) I've been inactive lately. 2) I'm scum because I didn't hammer you? Wouldn't that mean that EVERYONE except for those on your wagon is scum? And what if I did hammer you? Would that make me town? And even if I was active and able to hammer, why would I? Town gains absolutely nothing from hammering someone and ending discussion early, especially without a claim or defense.



I think Varsoon is
SCUM
because all the cases he makes on people are quite ridiculous.

So right now, I think the most scummy player is Varsoon. Mutley seems null leaning town, PP is town, Mist is null, FH is null leaning scum, Zoggoth is null leaning scum, RC is a dumbass, DDP is null leaning scum.

Varsoon I want you to claim, write up an actual case on me/whoever you think is scum, and write up a defense for yourself. I will hammer if you mess this up.
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Post Post #354 (isolation #18) » Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:23 am

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Still waiting on Varsoon.

Also, Zoggoth, please answer this.
In post 348, freezing-hell wrote:I didn't get your point about the defense though. I understood from your post that Varsoon had made a legitimate defense?
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Post Post #358 (isolation #19) » Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:22 pm

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In post 356, Mist7676 wrote:If varsoon keeps stalling, I am hammering. Scum tend to find it harder and harder to make time to post when they have suspicion.
This. It takes town literally like 2 seconds to claim. Scum gotta think and make up a claim
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Post Post #388 (isolation #20) » Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:38 am

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Newb here. can someone explain the significance of the exchange between Varsoon and DDDP? Like what exactly happened? I really don't want to put down a vote till I understand everything I can.
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Post Post #416 (isolation #21) » Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:16 am

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In post 390, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:***You know in ISO #8 she says this, “Personally, as scum I make jokes about being scum, because it is ironic the town doesn't catch it. Merely for my own amusement. But I see no town motivation in behaving this way.” But in ISO 4 we got this, “Come on mutely. I thought we promised not to bus each other!”***
Oh dang.....that's pretty crazy. I haven't been paying much attention to Mist this whole game, but this is something that definitely seems very scummy.

I'd say that DDDP has convinced me.


DDDP, I'm curious...why wait till now to post a case on Mist? You pretty much had the whole day to do it, why wait till just before the deadline? She was pretty clearly going to not get lynched D1 until you came in and pointed out the scummy stuff she did....why didn't you point it out earlier?

In post 413, RadiantCowbells wrote:This is me posting intent to hammer.

I don't necessarily think that Mist is scum, while I do still find Varsoon to be scum, but it's better than a NL.

Last chance for Mist to convince us that she's not scum.
RC please clarify? No one, as of your post, was in a position to be hammered.



PEDIT: goddamn i was about to vote mist but then Varsoon did. I believe shes at L-1 now?

Mist please post a defense. I intend to hammer if you don't
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Post Post #427 (isolation #22) » Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:22 pm

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I'm torn between voting Varsoon or Mist........both are scummy in my eyes, but I really feel like they are not the scumteam.
I'm gonna go ahead and
Vote: Varsoon
, and just hope that Mist really was joking.
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Post Post #487 (isolation #23) » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:41 am

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I still find Varsoon the most scummy. I'm gonna keep my vote on him.
Unless NO ONE is willing to hammer him, which in that case I'll vote Mist so that we don't get a no lynch. I'm checking back in like an hour, and I no one expresses intent to hammer Varsoon, I'll switch my vote to Mist.
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Post Post #488 (isolation #24) » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:41 am

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Or actually that's the lynch right there huh
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Post Post #492 (isolation #25) » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:46 am

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Zoggoth you didn't post much, and then all of a sudden once someone puts someone at L-1 you hammer.....granted we are very close to deadline but we had multiple people trying to figure something out
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Post Post #513 (isolation #26) » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:12 am

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I still feel that Varsoon has a decent chance of being scum. More so than Mist and FH. I will say tho that Zoggoth jumping in to hammer is really not sitting well with me.
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Post Post #517 (isolation #27) » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:38 am

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In post 516, Varsoon wrote:
In post 513, dexter9264 wrote:I still feel that Varsoon has a decent chance of being scum. More so than Mist and FH. I will say tho that Zoggoth jumping in to hammer is really not sitting well with me.
Dude, I'm lynched. Why would I lie right now about my alignment?

I thought scum usually wait till the actual flip? I've never seen scum say something like "okay you guys got me"
I've also only played like one other game tho.....
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Post Post #524 (isolation #28) » Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:24 pm

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@mod
I think that's a mistake? I'm not v/la
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Post Post #530 (isolation #29) » Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:18 am

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In post 526, Mutleyddmc wrote:I'm guessing RC probably wont actually say much useful again today. With 2 towns down though, don't really want to put us in a lylo if he's just a prick.
Agree with this. It's just not worth it to go after him. After rereading the thread a few times, I feel like RCis just town that's really annoyed and is unhelpful.

Today I want to go after Mist. That thing that DDDP pointed out really has me troubled.
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Post Post #537 (isolation #30) » Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:24 pm

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In post 532, Mutleyddmc wrote:Well dexter you should have voted mist the day before!! Her flip would have given us more info. I feel like we have got nothing learnt from day 1 with these two flips
I felt like Varsoon was scum. So I voted Varsoon. I did offer to switch my vote to Mist, but that came too late. Turns out Varsoon isn't scum. So now I'm gonna focus on Mist.
Not gonna vote yet tho because I want everyone to have posted before putting someone at L-1
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Post Post #539 (isolation #31) » Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:07 pm

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In post 538, Mist7676 wrote:Well, I didn't see Varsoon as scum, can I be excluded from the idiots group? Isn't it odd how the IC wasn't murdered last night? Common move by scum, but it could bring up SOOO much WIFOM.
I do find it odd. But really I don't think that by itself is enough to incriminate DDDP. Right now, the focus is more on you.
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Post Post #554 (isolation #32) » Wed May 01, 2013 8:53 am

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I agree with DDDP here. I feel like Zoggoth could be scum. He says multiple times that he feels like Varsoon is town. But then all of a sudden he jumps in and hammers.

A quick ISO of him:

ISO 0 (post 5): RVS vote
ISO 1 (post 8): stalks people pregame, says he is more likely to vote experienced over nonexperienced in the case of lynching two equally scummy players
ISO 2 (post 19): basically says the same as above
ISO 3 (post 21): votes mutely for his scumclaim
ISO 4 (post 108): ive been busy post
ISO 5 (post 109): unvotes mutley who is at L-1
ISO 6 (post 112): He writes his tells on everyone. Says that he thinks Varsoon is town.
ISO 7 (post 143): Says he would lynch PP over Mist
ISO 8 (post 264): prod dodge I believe
ISO 9 (post 298): Talks about a DDDP/Varsoon scumteam
ISO 10 (post 338): Says he thinks Varsoon is town, pretty much scraps the DDDP/Varsoon team
ISO 11 (post 347): Agrees with Varsoon, defends him
ISO 12 (post 350): Votes FH for putting Varsoon at L-1
ISO 13 (post 486): Hammers Varsoon

I'm going to look at the above in two different ways

Zoggothtown:
-stalks people pregame to get to know who he will be playing with
-defends someone who he thinks is town
-hammers so there isn't a no lynch

Zoggothscum:
-stalks people pregame to know his competition, who will be dangerous.
-buddies with Varsoon who he knows is town
-lurks
-hammers under the guise that he is preventing a no lynch

Really tho, there isn't too much information to go off of here. Zoggoth just doesn't have enough content

Right now, I feel like there is at least one scum in Mist, Zoggoth, and FH. Mist stands out as the most likely scum. However, if she flips town and DDDP survives the night, I strongly advise that we take a look at DDDP

RC is still useless. What else is new?
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Post Post #568 (isolation #33) » Thu May 02, 2013 9:22 am

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In post 567, RadiantCowbells wrote:The fact that in 554, Dexter makes a case for zoggoth being scum then says that the most likely scum is mist set off my scumdar, on top of the "if DDDP survives then pressure him tomorrow" statement, but I ISO'd him and am not convinced that he's scum. Null at worst, leaning towards the town end of the spectrum.
Oh I assumed we were pretty much settled on lynching Mist today. I was looking around and I feel like Zoggoth could be her scumpartner
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Post Post #578 (isolation #34) » Fri May 03, 2013 8:21 am

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In post 577, Zoggoth wrote:(For everyone who thinks Zoggoth/Mist is a thing, that would be 1). That team would have lost the moment Mist flipped scum)
Mist hasn't flipped scum yet.

There's 7 of us left. And Mist is pretty much confirmed scum at this point. The possible scum teams are:

Mist/DDDP

Highly unlikely. I really doubt DDDP would straight up bus his own partner.

Mist/Zoggoth

Zoggoth's kinda flip floppy view on Mist, as well as his hammer which played a part in saving Mist from being lynched yesterday. And his general lack of interaction with Mist. Also him not hammering again because he doesn't want to be suspicous, or cause he doesn't want to bus his buddy in such an obvious way.

Mist/Dex

I'm town. This team is not possible

Mist/FH

Changes his vote last minute yesterday from Mist to Varsoon. Could he have been jumping off his buddy's wagon once he saw a chance for Mist not to be lynched? He focused much more on Varsoon yesterday than Mist, and kinda just slipped in to maybe bus Mist?

Mist/RC

He did start out with an RVS scum result on Mist.....but then in D2 he kinda goes full out on Mist. So I doubt this is the team.

Mist/Mutely

Mutely keeps wanting to speed up the lynch on Mist. Possibly to keep her from saying anything that would link him to her? But I doubt it. Mutely also wanted to lynch her yesterday, so this is most likely not the team.

Right now I think we should get a claim and a defense and some of Mist's reads. After that, I say we lynch her and then lynch either Zoggoth or FH.
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Post Post #580 (isolation #35) » Fri May 03, 2013 10:51 am

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Oh my goodness have I been spelling your name wrong this whole game? I'm really sorry.
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Post Post #591 (isolation #36) » Sat May 04, 2013 11:24 pm

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I don't know about Zoggoth....to me he's only really scum if Mist is scum as well.
If Mist is indeed town like she says she is, I'd be more worried about DDDP. Why don't we just lynch Mist and find out?
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Post Post #593 (isolation #37) » Sat May 04, 2013 11:28 pm

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We get enough discussion? I don't want to end the day if people still want to talk.
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Post Post #596 (isolation #38) » Sat May 04, 2013 11:37 pm

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Okay. We'll wait then
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Post Post #608 (isolation #39) » Sun May 05, 2013 1:21 pm

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Well that leaves us with two options.

1) we lynch the liar and move to day 3
2) we let her live and go with the next most scummy person (FH, Zoggoth, or DDDP if we truly believe Mist is town)

Personally I'm for the first option. We got one scum nailed down, why not lynch her and then Zoggoth/FH tomorrow? By doing the second option, if we mislynch, we're in lylo and then the whole game would be won or lost depending on if Mist is lying or not and if we believe she is lying or not
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Post Post #609 (isolation #40) » Sun May 05, 2013 1:23 pm

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I'm gonna wait for Zoggoth's analysis and then I'm voting Mist.
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Post Post #613 (isolation #41) » Mon May 06, 2013 4:44 am

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Screw this waiting.
vote: Mist
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Post Post #619 (isolation #42) » Fri May 10, 2013 10:12 am

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In post 618, freezing-hell wrote:So Dexter is one mafia, hmm.
care to explain?
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Post Post #622 (isolation #43) » Sat May 11, 2013 1:58 pm

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Right now i really don't know.

It's hard when we got two players that never post. I'm just gonna list my reads instead.

RC- he doesn't post enough actual content, the only posts that were actually not terrible we're posts that were against Mist. Maybe RCscum somehow knew Mist was cop? I really don't have an accurate read here since he never posts

Zoggoth- I felt like he's scum if Mist was scum.....but seeing as she wasn't I'm a little confused now. All of us have done scummy stuff at some point, the only thing that made Zoggoth Stan out was his connections with Mistscum. And since Mist wasn't scum....I don't know.

DDDP - is still alive, which is kinda suspicious. But I don't think he's scum.....I feel like scum just wanna WIFOM especially since Mist was really suspicious of DDDP

FH- from shaboostein's play and his day 1 play, FH is a bit scummy. But yesterday's actions seemed to be more town like.

I'm really at a loss as for who scum is....everyone has some dirt on them. It's not like there's anyone who sticks out as extremely scummy.
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Post Post #624 (isolation #44) » Sat May 11, 2013 3:49 pm

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What the heck dude? Take your vote off before you lose the game for us.
You didn't even give any reasons why you voted me.
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Post Post #627 (isolation #45) » Sun May 12, 2013 12:23 am

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FH "knows" I'm scum and RC is "fairly certain" that I'm scum.
Please give reasoning?

RC is starting to worry me a bit. It seems like he just jumps on whatever wagon is going on at the moment. I'm on my phone now, but once I get to a computer I'll look more into it.

DDDP is town. And there is definitely at least one scum in FH and RC
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Post Post #631 (isolation #46) » Sun May 12, 2013 10:15 am

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Goddamn was that all a test? Scared the crap out of me.

But yeah I still can't get to a computer. But in sure you guys get the idea. Just off the top of my head, I remember RC messing around D1, then D2 he just votes Mist after saying he "thought about it". I don't remember who RC was voting when Varsoon was lynched, but it's possible he could have hopped on to the likely wagons. And then this thing that just happened with RC jumping right on.

The fact that RC hopped on and there was no quicklynch means either FH and RC are both scum (I doubt it now that FH is seeming more and more town to me) or that RC and Zoggoth are scum. RCscum probably wanted to get a quicklynch in, except his scumbuddy Zoggoth didn't show.
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Post Post #632 (isolation #47) » Sun May 12, 2013 10:24 am

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Since we know DDDP is town, and I know I'm town, there's only really a few possibilities left.

FH and RC - I really doubt this is it. I just can't see a scum team doing something crazy like what's going on between FH and RC right now

FH and Zoggoth - it's possible but FH actually seems much more town to me after what he just did. And that would mean we have an idiot RCtown

RC and Zoggoth - this is the one I think it is. RC's scummyness and uselessness, along with Zoggoth's constant lurking. Also RC jumping on so that he and Zoggoth can quicklynch.
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Post Post #636 (isolation #48) » Sun May 12, 2013 12:05 pm

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Yeah RC is definitely scum. There was absolutely no town motivation for his vote on me.

On the other hand, there is soooo much scum motivation. No matter who he's with there's scum motivation.

Lets say RC and DDDP are scum. RC's vote sets up the quicklynch.
Now if RC and Zoggoth are scum. RC's vote sets up the quicklynch again.
RC and FH are scum. They hope some dumbass town hammers when FH and RC give their evidence
RC and Dexter are scum. RC is bussing

Literally every single team with RC in it gives him a reason to vote.
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Post Post #644 (isolation #49) » Mon May 13, 2013 7:42 am

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In post 643, RadiantCowbells wrote:Note that Dexter is subtly making FH look townier to try to get the lynch onto me instead of him.
That's cause FH is town. No scum would do something as ridiculous as he did, and there was actually like no reason scum would take such a huge gambit when they're in lylo

Also you say you mixed us up, but what's written is written. Whether or not you truly did mix us up, you did not actually sy you thought I'm scum.

So I think the team is RC and Zoggoth. Zoggoth thinks its RC and me. Ish what DDDP thinks. And FH thinks its RC and Zoggoth? So really, even tho we may disagree on the actual team, we all agree RC is scum right?
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Post Post #646 (isolation #50) » Mon May 13, 2013 7:43 am

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Ebwop: idk got autocorrected to ish. My bad
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Post Post #670 (isolation #51) » Tue May 14, 2013 2:22 am

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Look RC. Scum only need one mislynch to win. Town needs to lynch scum twice in a row to win. So we should be lynching the person we all think is most likely scum, since a mislynch will lose the game. That person would be you. We can figure out who your partner is tomorrow, and I can guarentee it isn't me.

Also I actually bothered to look at the link you posted. It says in there
mafiawiki wrote:However, quickhammers that require multiple scum to participate (called an extended quickhammer) require a degree of coordination that may not be possible based on the scum players' schedules outside the game. Thus, it is not necessarily the case that a lack of an extended quickhammer implies that the person being voted is scum.
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Post Post #681 (isolation #52) » Wed May 15, 2013 3:39 pm

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In post 679, RadiantCowbells wrote:I believe that FH is the other scum and his move was to bus Dexter, but he relented when I followed his vote because he saw a push on me as easier.
Why would scum attempt to bus in Lylo? And especially when I never really had any suspicion on me in the first place?

Also RC you want me and FH and DDDP to vote you. In Lylo. That would be enough for a lynch right there. I find it hard to believe RCtown would advocate for his own lynch directly leading to a loss for town.

RC you are either incompetent, scum, or both.
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Post Post #682 (isolation #53) » Wed May 15, 2013 3:46 pm

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And one more thing RC. How am I confirmed scum? You said I'm confirmed scum because I wasn't quickhammered, yet in the same link you provided us it clearly states that just cause there isn't a quickhammer doesn't mean the the person being voted is scum.
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Post Post #684 (isolation #54) » Wed May 15, 2013 7:21 pm

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In post 683, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'm smart, actually.

I told them that if they believed what they said they would already have voted me. Clearly they don't so I don't need to point out the flaws in their line of reasoning.

You are confirmed scum because you haven't been quickhammered several days after I first voted you. A matter of minutes is fine; this time length is not. Now vote me.
FH wrote:Cowbells = 100% scum because of general posts and vibe. His lack of reasoning in LYLO and putting someone at L-1, allowing possible scum partner to quickhammer.
FH wrote:No can't do. Today is RadiantCowBells-lynch day.
FH wrote:I already said I will vote you. Doesn't matter if I do it today or tomorrow or the day after. I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts first. Plus, I'm deciding who the last scum is; you being the first scum.
This is called FH not believing what he said?

RC, have you ever thought that maybe I haven't been quickhammered because you're scum, and thus scum can't quickhammer with one already on the wagon? I thought your vote on me was a quickhammer attempt. Your partner Zoggoth just didn't show up in time.
You voted me 3 hours after FH put his vote on me. While a quicklynch could have happened then, its quite unlikely. And FH unvoted before Zoggoth even got a chance to vote.


To everyone else. RC is clearly scum. There's 4 possible scumteams with him.

RC/FH - I don't see it. Especially after the gambit, FH seems town to me. But this here is a possibility
RC/DDDP - This is definitely not it, unless DDDP just wants to toy with us. And him being the IC, I really doubt he wouldn't just end it
RC/Zoggoth - This I see as most likely. RC tried to set up for the quicklynch, but FH backed out before Zoggoth could hammer
RC/Dex - I'm town, this is definitely not it.

So we should lynch RC today, and tomorrow we kill either FH or Zoggoth.
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Post Post #696 (isolation #55) » Thu May 16, 2013 11:58 pm

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[quote="RC"]As to why I voted Dexter, he had never bothered me before but I read his iso after your vote and it just clicked and I didn't like him at all.
He called people out for stuff but very passively; he pointed out stuff people did but NEVER pushed for a lynch on anyone. Not once. Even now, he refuses to vote for me. I stopped reading and placed my vote down at 169. He also seemed to spend a ton of time asking people pointless philosophy questions instead of playing the game and scumhunting. I also had a definite impression after seeing the vote that this was a bus, and how I thought today would go would be that you would place reasons for your vote, he'd get lynched, you'd kill DDDP, and then I'd speedvote you out of the gate and convince Zoggoth that you were scum. Your reaction, taking off your vote, caught me off guard, but I must admit that it doesn't really reflect upon whether or not you are scum or town, and especially worrisome is the fact that you just happened to hit scum with your supposed "random" vote. I don't like his reactions either, but the way he hard pushed on me and completely ignored you just doesn't sit well to me. In fact, were I DDDP or even you, I would think that me and Dexter are double bussing, but with the information that I am town I am left completely confused as to what he was trying to do; unless it was just the obvious FH is scum and he wanted to push the mislynch, but he pushed that so unbelievably hard that even he must realize that just made you look much scummier. Even more interesting is that he's shut up now.[\quote]

There is sooo much wrong with this. I don't have access to a computer right now, but when I do I'll respond to this
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Post Post #702 (isolation #56) » Fri May 17, 2013 6:41 am

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vote: dexter

No more discussion
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Post Post #730 (isolation #57) » Sat May 25, 2013 7:52 pm

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Good game everyone.
I knew I had to self hammer because once DDDP voted me, if I didn't die right away I would give Zoggoth away
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Post Post #731 (isolation #58) » Sat May 25, 2013 7:54 pm

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If anyone has any suggestions for me to improve my play that would be greatly appreciated
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