Khan's Wacky Xylbot II Mafia (Mini 1441) (Game Over)

[Voidedmafia]

I claim you're full of shit there.

Discuss.

[Voidedmafia]

Vote: Parama

[Voidedmafia]

I have no idea what sryv and Sharper are talking about.

Shos: Eh, sure?

Also, ctrl+F-ing "Bullet" or "proof" don't show any results, so...

[Voidedmafia]

If I wasn't policy lynching Monkey I'd be voting UT right now for pointing out stupidly obvious things.

pointing out the obvious is a scumtell now?

[Voidedmafia]

I"m pretty sure asking for setups is just for the sake of asking. Katsuki's attempt to ask for them last game didn't seem to be very fruitful to me.

Still waiting on Sharper.

[Voidedmafia]

Fucking hell, this is just screaming bastard.

DEEEEEEEEEERP!

Now can everyone who's talking about the setup on...page 4 or so just shut up. You're being as useless as you're claiming BB is.

Need I say more? Obviously my treatment of this game as mountainous will cease once we actually have some PR or night actions to work with. Read the thread.

Mountainous's basic definition is just vanilla town and vanilla scum. This game is garaunteed to have at least 3-4 PRs on either side. This kind of thinking is kinda dumb, really.

And after one day, we're talking about 'not-so-talkative' people ._. Bad ._.

Eh?

No, you didn't. But if you start talking about 'not-so-talkative' people, you should have at least players in mind.
Because it's way too early to talk about things like that. Take me for example. Just after you posted it, I was done with dinner. Before I started posting, I only had 1 post. Why? Because of my sister's birthday, staying over at my boyfriend's and work. People have lives and calling them out after one day of playing is bad.

Good.

Pre-game is over.

Let's keep our personal lives out of the game. ATE comes up sometimes and I'd rather it not in this one

Bad. At least, in context of what PimHel is saying.

Then again, not like Mafia>Life, right? Plus, AtE is unfortunately unavoidable.

I've seen games where scum has lurked 15 pages and made clever dodges about family and loved ones in order to dodge suspicion. We all, as players, understand that people are busy and can't lurk the forums 24/7. I think that we can also agree that if a player makes no post within about 5 days, they should be scrutinized.

I don't think what you're talking about is what Pim means. Besides, it's only been one day <_<.

Determining the approximate of xylbot is relevent.

Is it useful, though? Saying the role I had last game may be relevant, but it's nigh-on useless for the purposes of this game. And as I said, Katsuki doing what really amounts to the same thing was useless.

That's not quite true - last game we did sort of solve it towards the end.

BECAUSE of what Katsuki was trying to post?

It's really not 'bastard' in the sense you're implying though. There are some non-standard roles, is all.

KK

will not

, however, count votes in the wrong format. Even caused us a No Lynch last game...

I do remember that, though...

The game isn't balanced that's my point

I still don't see what's so good about massclaiming, though.

serra looks town to me. I think I like Pim, too, though I can't say that's because of relevant info.

!Vote BBmolla

[Voidedmafia]

On the real, about Voidedmafia hyperbolizing what I said about not bringing up our personal lives in game to avoid AtEs, that's equally embarrassing. I don't know if it's scum or just asinine to go into a game and employ rhetoric that's inflammatory and littered with hyperbolic interpretations of what people say.

Note that I only said so in context of what Pim was saying, not about AtE in general (the part about it being unavoidable is a separate thing from the others). You looked like you were honestly chastising Pim for eating dinner instead of talking about the game, hence my reaction.

BB: Meh.

Mac is probably the scum on me atm

Eh?

[Voidedmafia]

that a good post, I like you. I would like to add that in the first game, the setups were completely useless in figuiring the setup - the flips were not. we had more than one kill a night, and when someone flips 'beta werewolf' you know that there's an alpha one, and with more (other) scums flipped, the setups are really, useless.

I'm aware, but that was because of flips from the game itself, not from the setups Katsuki was trying to make. Much more relevant and necessary info.

Yeah, I could see how that would be scummy, if I didn't textually set it (the smiley aside) aside in more than one way. No one even responded to that, and they shouldn't have. Isn't it scummier of you to try to make a case against me with such a flimsy point?

Accusing you of failing to do any sort of good reaction test and deflecting from that issue is a flimsy point?

Plus, your reason for voting me makes me twitch in a bad way.

!Vote Varsoon

L-1

[Voidedmafia]

BB: Hmph.

That hammer was terrible, "you" move or not. I put him at L-1 to get a little more pressure out of him, not to lynch him (that stance was pending on what I thought about his replies. That being said, I can at least dig your Shosscum stuff, so...jeez.

[Voidedmafia]

No problem.
This is an absurd game.
Hope my flip helps town win.

If I'd known parama was going to "LOLHAMMERZ" I wouldn't have put you at L-1. As I said, I was looking for pressure, not a lynch.

Well shos is one scum

Pim's and UT's votes on the wagon are worst in my opinion so

I can agree on UT a little, Pim less so.

(Your's is still the worst, though.)

[Voidedmafia]

"OHAI I'M NOT GONNA DO ANY SORT OF READ BUT JUST PLOP MY VOTE DOWN ON WHAT HAPPENS TO BE AN L-1 WAGON OH NO I HAMMERED DERP DERP OH WELL BETTER START MY REREAD WHEEE!"

And I'm supposed to pretty much say, "Yeah, okay, cool" to that? (which is pretty much the reaction I'm getting from BB about it. "It's okay cuz it's Parama!") Don't think so.

Besides, how is that vote in any way "objectively neutral"? The fact that you pretty much just RVS-hammer-voted?

[Voidedmafia]

"OHAI I'M NOT GONNA DO ANY SORT OF READ BUT JUST PLOP MY VOTE DOWN ON WHAT HAPPENS TO BE AN L-1 WAGON OH NO I HAMMERED DERP DERP OH WELL BETTER START MY REREAD WHEEE!"

And I'm supposed to pretty much say, "Yeah, okay, cool" to that? (which is pretty much the reaction I'm getting from BB about it. "It's okay cuz it's Parama!") Don't think so.

Besides, how is that vote in any way "objectively neutral"? The fact that you pretty much just RVS-hammer-voted?

[Voidedmafia]

!xMafia help Human shield

[Voidedmafia]

!Vote shos

L-2.

[Voidedmafia]

but from here on out only votes in the format of !vote Kublai_Khan will be counted. Names don't have to be exact, Xylbot has name recognition ability

Right format.

Though,

!Unvote

[Voidedmafia]

didn't read page 9, but voided should be able to confirm me.

Wut.

>voting the jester

read the game plz

Wut.

Jester tells, where?

Has anyone actually seen a policy lynch on another player succeed? I haven't, but that doesn't seem to stop players from wasting a lot of time doing nothing with an "excuse" for doing said nothing.

:Badposting:

We aren't at a point where we can PL anyone. And I don't really get why you're railing against him, anyways.

(Also, damn you're no one here.)

[Voidedmafia]

It's cause he's unlyncher and I'm his target

That is...unfortunately something I could actually believe...

And no, Shos, I don't understand what you're talking about.

[Voidedmafia]

!vote The Rufflig

Cause OMGUS.

Dat OMGUS.

Ruffling, why?

[Voidedmafia]

Let's lynch Parama while he's afk.

!vote Parama

...No. Not for that, anyways.

[Voidedmafia]

Well how bout for his bulletproof fakeclaim, his derphammer, his insistence that shos is mafia and his equal insistence that BB is town/jester?

RVS AFAICT, still not really relevant for a read.

Derpy, idiotic as fuck, very scummy, yes. But I wouldn't use that as the only reason at this point.

Why is his insistence on this bad? Do you find Shos town?

Why do you think he's insisting it?

[Voidedmafia]

+1, gj dear self.

How...?

His reasoning on Molla being a jester is horrifying.

True enough, but still.

[Voidedmafia]

First off, Syry needs to explain what's bad about Parama insisting that he thinks Shos is scum.

It feels like a bus. And no.

<_<

[Voidedmafia]

Hey serra, why are you defending me?

Where is he defending you?

[Voidedmafia]

@mod: V/LA till Sundayish due to Wisdom Teeth removal.

Good luck with that (though, according to my own experiences you shouldn't be kept away that much).

Syr, I don't really see how he's "letting you slide," or at least as far as you're implicating. As far as I can tell he just disagrees with someone's view of you.

[Voidedmafia]

Not defending you Syr, just calling PimHel's point bad. Why aren't you pointing out that VM is 'defending' me?

What?

I was waiting until after you responded to attempt to salvage whatever was left of my reaction test after your puppet Voided shat all over it.

!vote Voided

What??

I know. I was just grumpy with Voided for killing it.

[british]I'm sorry, I'm confused.[/british]

using me being on a wagon you yourself supported. cute. wake me when my voters know how to swing a mislynch.

Don't really support BB's reason (sounds meta-y, so...), but this is bad. Taking potshots about votes and not actually trying to forward anything of his own (or voting syr himself).

!Vote Untrod

[Voidedmafia]

I don't realize how comes; see, I saw a valid reason to vote very early in the game and voted. then in some way people wagoned and instahammered so quickly that I wasn't even there, and people blame me?

I wasn't voting you (or wasn't going to vote you) for that?

[Voidedmafia]

I was voting you because I was agreeing with what Parama said about you in his wall.

[Voidedmafia]

Oh my god shos
you have mastered the art of bleeding scum
this is the most passive lurker callout ever, designed to distract the town without really making any accusations.
would be pro if not so obvious.

You're still not scumhunting.

And that's not a newbtell why? Are you planning to give any more evidence to back up your read? Assuming Varsoon is scum, there's likely something in his other posts, yes?

I guess I can't say shos didn't contribute any logic to the Varsoon wagon but I can't say his logic amounts to much either
136 however is slimeball vote fishing and shos can burn in hell for it

These parts say nothing?

[Voidedmafia]

Why.not?

bzzzt not an answer.

[Voidedmafia]

You're supposed to explain why it does.

[Voidedmafia]

I asked why.

You're still ignoring where you answer why it should make some iota of sense.

[Voidedmafia]

FFA VOIDED I ANSWERED THAT ALREADY THER ARE INDEPENDENT ON EACH OTHER

And that completely absolves you of explaining the team how?

[Voidedmafia]

Are uou for realz?

I hexplained wayyy too much already.
The scumteads are INDEPENDENT. See, by default, if a player is scum and anothee is scum, THAT MAKES THEM A TEAM.

/obviousunneededsnarkycomments.

And no, I don't believe you ever actually explained that scumteam fully. 292 only explains Molla/parama.

[Voidedmafia]

That is the point. Ffa i dont get why you all caught on this so hatd. Just pretend i never said anything about syry, kay?

I camt find the quote og ypurs, but anyway, im not using comnections with syry at all. Syry could very well ve an sk or another scumteam. Mollq and parama are mybtheory from.now on aight? Syry is superdipereztraultranull makes you feel better?

Translation:

"That is the point. FFS I don't get why you all caught on this so hard. Just pretend I never said anything about syy, kay?

I can't find the quote of yours, but anyways, I'm not using connections with syry at all. Syry could very well be an sk or another scumteam. Molla and parama are my theory from now on aight? Syry is superduperultranull makes you feel better?"

In response...why mention Syr at all?

[Voidedmafia]

As there may be two separate scum teams, I do not understand the push to try and make Shos tie all his suspects together as one scum team. As Shos himself did not try and tie Syryana and Parama together, why make a big deal about these two scum suspects not fitting together?

FYI I was trying to make him explain why the three were together since he suggested it, not force him into that team.

[Voidedmafia]

That happened in.precisely one gamr in my carerr

Yet this is Wacky Xylbot?

[Voidedmafia]

...UT confirmed for scum 100%.
I don't want to derail the shos wagon, but UT needs death badly.

Oh? Not against the lynch, but I'd love to hear why you want him dead.

[Voidedmafia]

It's another weak case. He's just been rolling with what other people have said. His vote on Varsoon felt that way. He hasn't even bothered to mention why he is voting for shos -- his only substantial mention of shos was to say that shos had a good point on Varsoon. He's just been voting the popular wagons with a me too attitude without any other contributions towards finding scum.

Was this directed at molla or Parama?

[Voidedmafia]

So im an inventor, i give people powers. I gave one to voided last night whicj is wierd why.he didnt understand me;. I also crumbed on post 1 that o make uo stuff

Oh, that was you? I did wonder why I suddenly got an ability last night, but I wasn't about to accept your hints like that (I will admit to not quite getting it the first read, though )

Shos is town if the claim is true, lynch UT or Parama.

[Voidedmafia]

doesn't prove jack shit about his alignment, scum inventor is a role

I'm more inclined to think he's town, though. Bias, possibly, but still.

[Voidedmafia]

>acknowledges bias
>doesnt' change opinion

starting to think voided might be the scum here, would be why he didn't mention the ability until just now too I guess but that's kind of reaching

That is not scummy on its own and you should know that, Parama.

[Voidedmafia]

how is that bias? it's just you assuming that inventor means town for no reason

Bias from being the receiver of his item, I mean.

And note I said he's town if his claim is true (which would be further proved after tonight). For right now it makes him less of a lynch than you or Parama.

[Voidedmafia]

stuff

Har.

[Voidedmafia]

Man, I really don't think so... If he were lurking scum, I'd think he'd make it more active. He's not even trying to look as though he's participating. If this game were any larger, I'd agree with a PL, but we don't really have the time for that.

If not shos, I'd go for Syry.

Whoa, where'd the PL talk come from?

[Voidedmafia]

Also, yes, I got an ability, though I'd have to look it up in PMs.

[Voidedmafia]

I do, but like I said, I need to find the PM.

[Voidedmafia]

...Care to give posthumous reasoning, Syr?

[Voidedmafia]

||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (6 to lynch) |||
||| MAFIABOT || shos - 4 (Untrod_Tripod BBmolla serrapaladin Syryana) |||
||| MAFIABOT || Untrod_Tripod - 4 (PimHel Voidedmafia The_Rufflig parama) |||
||| MAFIABOT || BBmolla - 1 (shos) |||
||| MAFIABOT || Parama - 1 (wind-up) |||

||| MAFIABOT || Living players: BBmolla wind-up Parama PimHel serrapaladin shos Syryana The_Rufflig Untrod_Tripod Voidedmafia |||

L-2

!vote Untrod Tripod

L-1

!vote Untrod Tripod

Hammer.

My maths aren't too borked, right?

(she still needs to explain that vote, though, Pim. You expect me to accept an L-1/hammer vote like that?)

[Voidedmafia]

Oh. I only saw the Force replace request. <_< my eyesight is terrible.

[Voidedmafia]

I want reads from serrapaladin, Syryana and Voided, with reasoning.

To be frank, Tierce...I don't have these. This game has not been on the top of my priorities, either in mafia or in general. I've just been sticking with the 1-2 scumreads (was 3, but then shos claimed and I believe his claim) I have and was gonna deal with the rest once/if there was more.

Long story short, my two scumreads are Parama and UT. I'm currently enjoying my birthday weekend and have a distinct non-want of putting in effort for the time being, but I will try to at least re-read them to give you more concise reasons why they're scum.

I am open to other possibilities, of course. Just so long as they aren't predicated on someone being scum first.

[Voidedmafia]

S'okay. There were several reasons I wanted reads from different people, yours was mostly to check if you were actually in the game or just kind of floating about.

I would be correct in presuming this is not a general explanation for all three of us? (don't answer right away if you don't want to, but I'd like to know)

[Voidedmafia]

...okay...

[Voidedmafia]

Voided, Molla, vote me.

This game needs to go somewhere.

...As tempted as I am, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the self-vote.

[Voidedmafia]

Post 149 was the kind of :effort: crap Parama pulls as scum. I was fine with the hammer coming from him, but the following post was really really bad. Post 315 is equally bad. You want to see someone who clearly believes you are scum? /)U^.^U/) (\U^.^U(\

not meta.

Also, you seem to be funneling her points about how you play as "meta" in general and aren't actually trying to differentiate the points...which is a problem of the strawmanistic kind (screw you all, I just made a new word). Just because the points fall under the "meta" label doesn't absolve you of having to answer them.

P-EDIT: Which is still not a reason to look for them.

[Voidedmafia]

Why would you pick the least specific part of Tierce's case to point out? The lines you quoted are just stating how bad Para is, which doesn't constitute a case, meta or otherwise. (btw Para, you know that 1st, 2nd line etc. depends on your screen resolution and text size, right? For me that was all one line.)

Parama said her case was "all meta." I was pointing out where he was wrong.

Also, I'm still kinda stuck on that self-vote, so pardon me if I look a little behind.

[Voidedmafia]

No comment at all about Parama calling you "bleedingly obvious scum", Syr?

[Voidedmafia]

in your post you agreed that my play is uneven
uneven play is true of pretty much everyone
thus pinning down their play to being the same every game is a fallacy

your own meta-argument discredits itself.

Out of all that she says in 544, you focus on that?

Hammer away, Shos.

[Voidedmafia]

I'm not beating around the bush. The lack of posting during twilight

is

my point.

Can you give me a sample of Town games in which you were absent during twilight while posting elsewhere?

What if syr just doesn't want to post in twilight?

[Voidedmafia]

voided: what is the town motivation for not posting in that brief period of time between a lynch and a flip if one is around to do so?

What if he just doesn't care about posting?

[Voidedmafia]

...Oh, right, Shos was already on it, derp.

[Voidedmafia]

Hammer away, Shos.

Was there some reason you couldn't move your vote from Untrod Tripod?

...Oh, right, Shos was already on it, derp.

Reading is tech, ruffling.

Parama, you gonna stick to that vig claim?

[Voidedmafia]

I don't see how that's an answer why you didn't hammer Parama

It's exactly what I said? What part of "I didn't realize/forgot Shos was already voting Parama" isn't understood?

[Voidedmafia]

That's not the point. You said that Shos could hammer. However, if you wanted to see Parama lynched, you could have voted him yourself. Why didn't you?

Shos declared intent to hammer already (even if it was fake).

(though, I am aware now that that was the wrong thing to quote in response, thank you.)

Parama: I'm not town because...?

P-EDIT: First "a SK" should be "an SK" (or last should be "a SK")

[Voidedmafia]

I'm not giving immunity to the person I'm shooting

You said +1 immunity to whoever answered, though. Not exactly fair to not give it to the one who answered first.

[Voidedmafia]

Hey Voided. Why aren'tcha voting Parama?

Because I'd hoped some people would talk more, 'specially about the fakehammer (and even if this is finals week). Sadly, that's not to be.

That being said, my own inability to really get into games as of late has been cutting into my ability to really read people because even if Parama is scum it's a sad state of affairs that he's really my only scumread (I think UT can be filed away as "lurking"). I shouldn't be going into night just with that, and I don't think I want to. So I'm not voting him just yet.

[Voidedmafia]

Nobody's going to fight that apathy for you, Voided. I'll spare you the inevitable MD discussion about what apathy does to games. Shape it up. Who's scum? Don't tell me you have no scumreads, realize you don't have scumreads and go do something about it. I've been where you are and it doesn't win any games for Town.

You don't think I know that? (also, you didn't really read what I said, did you?)

And I'm aware that some of what Parama's posted is scummy, and I'm still cool with his lynch. I'm just not going to hammer him until I can scrounge up at least one more good scum/townread.

[Voidedmafia]

I said my only scumread right now is Parama.

[Voidedmafia]

I said my only scumread right now is Parama.

That's my point. Go get ye some instead of moping. And yes, yes, I know you know, but you still have to do something about it.

Well don't say I have none then <_<

Parama: Sarcasm, yes?

[Voidedmafia]

...FFS, lost what I was doing again <_<.

Anyways, was ISO Syryana. In summation: She's town enough for me. 478 has enough points against Parama to keep him as the guy I'd rather see lynched today as well as enough points to not have BB look very good at all. However, Tierce's 482 raises a decent point: You point about parama's insistence on shos-scum was arguably the best of the four you gave back in 243 (depending on where you rank the derphammer, anyways), why didn't you actually include and/or address that as well? And of course, I don't find him not posting to necessarily be a scum indicator, so that doesn't factor in. THe last post in the ISO twinges me a bit, but it's not enough to shake the overall read.

I'm ready to hammer, but is there any reason why I should doubt my Syr-town read?

[Voidedmafia]

Oh wow, actually I think I hammered Parama.
I didn't see Shos revote him

Still think the BP fakeclaim and then claim as vig is too coincidental

No, it's L-1 since Parama isn't self-voting.

[Voidedmafia]

...That was an invitation to explain.

[Voidedmafia]

I'm liking Voided less. Especially after he mentioned that he put Untrod the ' lurker' category, yet he's voting him.

It's unlikely at this point that he'll be wagoned again. What, exactly, is wrong with leaving my vote there while I'm still thinking on things?

[Voidedmafia]

Your only two points or Syr, as far as I can tell, are "Syr tried lynching me while I was afk" (which I agree was a bad vote, but not a lynch reason), and "Syr called Molla/me(Parama) without reading me" (debatable since the read seems predicated on Molla-scum; the problem there, as I just realized, is why vote you over Molla?)

Well, you're at least fine in regards to wanting Syr lynched, I guess.

[Voidedmafia]

Voided, being obvTown is my shtick and I will fight you for it.

Wait, I'm ObvTown now? I thought I was middiling-null?

[Voidedmafia]

Ruffling's 674 is a fair point.

I've been calling you Town.

Town is not ObvTown. When did I become ObvTown?

Voided's 121 looks town and like the Voided town that I have played with in the past.

Because it's a catch-up wall?

[Voidedmafia]

It's also not "middling-null". It was the analysis in Post 666 while not voting Parama or Syryana

Okay, so I guess I can accept getting more of a townread for the analysis, but what does the lack of a vote on Param or Syr have to do with it?

I've learned my mistake from Dirty Dealing ;_;

What'd I do in Dirty Dealing, again?

[Voidedmafia]

I mean, the only thing I remember from DD is that I did something to piss you and Mehdi off and somehow lived through D2.

[Voidedmafia]

Your comments on things here match the type of comments you made in DD.
I kinda ... wanted to kill you for those comments in that game.

Oftentimes being unable to actually talk about those things as they happen because of work may do that.

Tierce: ...Wouldn't apathetic scum NOT lay down a vote? I mean, I guess I kinda get what you mean by "thinking things over," but...

[Voidedmafia]

You're voteparking UT and standing up to PimHel's remarks on it. I can't quite see how Voidedscum wouldn't want to vote someone else when he has enough 'reason' to.

Well, I have enough of a townread on Syr that even if I took those adjusted reasons for my own it wouldn't be enough to overtake my Parama scumread. (Also, I've been majorly confused as to the VC half the time ...)

!xMafia Votecount

[Voidedmafia]

You want me to hammer you, then?

[Voidedmafia]

WHy can't I have it there? I already told you I'd be hammering you otherwise.

[Voidedmafia]

...no. It's only there because I don't feel like hammering you yet.

[Voidedmafia]

The only reason I'd move it right now is if an OS wagon sudeenly pops up.

P-EDIT: So you'd rather I hammer you, then?

[Voidedmafia]

Like
I'm calling you out
Your response: Shut up or I'mma hammer you

...No, that's not even close. Actually, you're missing MY point.

I said I'd hammer you. I will hammer you, or vote you if you're taken off L-1. I'm deciding not to until I can get a slightly better grasp on the game (something I'm aware I'm putting off, but still). My vote was previously on UT, now OS. I'm leaving it there because I see no reason to move it otherwise, and the only other place I'd put it would be as a hammer vote. On you. Or as a regular vote. On you.

Is that more clear? Or are you done being stupid about this?

[Voidedmafia]

A: Unvoting if he doesn't want to lynch Oversoul

OS is currently in no threat of a lynch. IF that happens I will unvote.

B: Voting someone else he finds actually scummy while still declaring intent to hammer me

I currently have no one else, and I need to find that out. Technically, I have Molla, but that is based on you being scum, so that's not really a scumread.

In LITERALLY EVERY POST FOLLOWING, Voided says the word hammer
That's not a very well disguised threat, you know. I don't see how you could read it any other way

Given that I've said MULTIPLE TIMES BEFORE that I was gonna hammer you but was holding off in the interest of getting more reads, I'm not entirely sure where you're getting the idea that this is a sudden threat.

[Voidedmafia]

And these last post from Voided show exactly my point. He's active enough to keep following the game, but he's barely scumhunting.

Yeah, I'm terribly sorry this game hasn't been my priority.

More relatedly, though, this is getting rediculous, Parama. You've been getting more and more abrasive as the days have past to the point that I'm almost coming to expect it from you. Certainly doesn't look like you're scumhunting (shut up, Pim, I can be hypocritical).

!xVote Parama

Good riddance.

[Voidedmafia]

still town~

Town that's pretty much done nothing but berate anyone who pushes suspicion in your direct to an unreasonable degree?

[Voidedmafia]

Scum really had to fight to get me lynched, they want the vig claim dead for obv reasons
shos and syr especially need death though~

Oh, so now I'm not a vig target anymore? Or am I not a priority?

[Voidedmafia]

well the vig is dead
and shos and syr are still alive
you definitely need some rope but there's an order that things need to be done in

Yeah, well, being wrong doesn't always make me be scum (if you are town).

[Voidedmafia]

Why are you so defensive all of the sudden? You hammered so you think I'm scum but I haven't flipped yet so why are you assuming I'm town?

When did I assume you're town? I said that IF you're town (thus meaning I'm wrong), that doesn't make me scum.

Also, the post in question seems to imply that I'm also partially scummy for suspecting you, so.

417 (see my 418)

It's not scummy to have no mentioned it up to that point. I also said that I didn't realize the significance of the PR and Shos claiming he's confirmed until he actually fullclaimed, so...

571 (overly defensive of Syr for no adequate reason)

How is that defensive? I posed a counterquestion.

See Rufflig's 591 because that post owns Voided so hard it isn't even funny, I'll never be that pro

Other than making me realize I quote the wrong thing, I don't really see how I was pwned given the context of what was going on.

exchange between me and voided about oversoul wagon voters, see 704, 705, and 708 specifically
presently making it clear that he doesn't actually believe I am scum

Lol. Now you're just trying to find things to paint me as scum.

[Voidedmafia]

...wait, wait, wait.

So the mafia just killed a possible ally?

[Voidedmafia]

...So, what was the Syr case again?

[Voidedmafia]

Will look at Shos and serra next, most likely, in no particular order.

[Voidedmafia]

Voided was not voting "a random guy", he just didn't move his vote from the previous wagon, and it was as good there as 'not voting', because the wagon wasn't moving. (And I wasn't talking about Parama's self-vote, I was asking Pim why he hadn't mentioned serrapaladin's lack of vote until he voted Parama, but mentioned Voided's parked vote the moment serra changed his vote elsewhere.) It's a parked vote on a dead wagon while considering a hammer on another wagon. I've seen Town do it time and time again, and it wasn't like he wanted the Oversoul wagon to grow, so it wasn't an opportunistic vote on one-of-two Town wagons. Oversoul wasn't the main counterwagon, that wagon was completely dead.

Considering I was going to be snarky and condescending in my response, most likely, imma just quote this and agree with this.

Also, go to the bottom where you used to select ISOs, click that plus sign, and voila, double ISOs.

[Voidedmafia]

To the point that I don't think I've actually told the complete truth about anything in any game. Ever.
Is that the truth?

...My head...

[Voidedmafia]

But really, Shos, I stated multiple times why I hadn't unvoted. Was it that hard to find?

[Voidedmafia]

http://www.explosm.net/comics/1892/

You're the blue guy, btw.

now, if someone specifically asks me like 3-4 times if I know what he's talking about and that he should be confirmed to me then MAKE THE FUCKING 1+1. srsly wut

...I didn't make the connection? It happens sometimes?

P-EDIT: Oi. I know he said that I should know what he was talking about, but I was thinking along things inside the thread, not related to actions.

[Voidedmafia]

And I have just learned that it is still legal to lynch horse thieves in Nevada, apparently. Much better than the word "scum".

Wait, what does this have to do with the game?

[Voidedmafia]

(And yes, I'm aware my head is not fully in this game. I've got a few personal things I'm doing right now that take precedence, and work is hitting a serious full tilt since the end of the fiscal year is May 31st and we want as many books out of the facility as possible by then. )

[Voidedmafia]

about people being oblivious - I dunno, being that oblivious is really odd. especially for voided. as town I remember voided as one who posts very much content and good content, who notices details even I don't, it's very much unlike him. and here - it's like he's jumping on this

Or I just honestly didn't make the connection until you claimed?

(and idk about the noticing details part. Seems more like I like to nitpick than anything.)

not quite necessarily. I do agree he's town tho, lol

Wha...?

[Voidedmafia]

Which means that PimHel merely did not believe that Syryana was mafia - a disappointing conclusion.

Wait, wouldn't it mean that he did believe Syr was scum (or at least not town)?

Serra, Tonight or last night?

[Voidedmafia]

VM: Last night. Did you use whatever he gave you?

yes.

[Voidedmafia]

...and?

Why do you need to know what I got and how I used it to confirm Shos?

Shos says he gave me something. I've confirmed I got it. At the very least we've already confirmed that Shos's roleclaim is true. What else do you need in that regard?

[Voidedmafia]

I don't care what you got, I care about whether it worked as intended. If he's Malfunctioning, you would still get an ability, but it wouldn't do what it says on the tin.

Oh, it worked as intended, alright.

What possible motivation would PimHel have for trying to voteblock a member of the mafia?

What possible motivation ISN'T there?

Why exactly is voteblocking scum (to him) be a bad thing? If Syr is really scum, then that's one less vote scum have to push a mislynch.

Why would PimHel believe there is a non-town, non-mafia faction left in play?

...Where does this come from?

Khan: Awwwww....

[Voidedmafia]

What are you on about, VM? Pim was a Mafia-ally. That means he wins with scum, so he will want to damage town.

How sure are you that it works like a traitor, then?

[Voidedmafia]

Fair enough.

[Voidedmafia]

lol because it's verifiable. if he says I lied and I'm lynched and flip as I said, that means he lied >_>

and yes, I did, on pimhel. did you miss the discussion between tierce and me?

...wait, what?

Why are you saying I lied when I clearly stated what I found with you?

[Voidedmafia]

...should be, "if he had lied, then I would have flipped town and everyone would know that he had lied and he'd be lynched".

works?

...but why are you saying I lied?

[Voidedmafia]

...Is there some epidemic of idiocy here? WTF, Voided. It was an hypothetical, shos isn't saying you lied.

Then why is he saying for people to vote me, then?

[Voidedmafia]

I honestly don't believe taht you of all people would be so dumb this game to both not understand the above and not understand my hints D2 and entirely ignore my longposts.

I'm just not really seeing why you want people to vote me.

[Voidedmafia]

oh that is because you are scum mate

...That's not an explanation.

[Voidedmafia]

Not really interested.

Why do you want Syr lynched again, BB?

[Voidedmafia]

I've been content letting the day play out for awhile without tipping my hand.

On what? Your serra-scum read?

[Voidedmafia]

Voided could have only condemned shos, who is scummy independent of his claim. I highly doubt scum-shos would kill Voided, as Pim was under much less suspicion, and Voided's death would implicate shos. It's pretty silly that you had to come up with the hypothetical that scum thought Pim was a day-cop for your musings to make sense.

Considering that I would either confirm he did what he said, actively deny it, or (as scum) do as Tierce said and not acknowledge him at all and kill him N2), I don't see how I could "only condemn" shos. Only two of those options would condemn him, though one would eventually make that be null.

[Voidedmafia]

I'm not interested in you claiming, as I don't particularly want you lynched. I am rather trying to figure out why you're so convinced that I'm scum. If you're a survivor, you don't actually have any interest in lynching scum, so that would make the most sense to me. I can assure you I'm not scum, and if you are town, you should be voting Syry with me instead.

I'm going to be soon, so if you're up could you show me where exactly you got the idea he was a survivor again?

Also, I guess that's okay, but how would I be unable to confirm his role then?

[Voidedmafia]

!vote serra

I like what i see.
I also.add that the attack on me for things syr didnt say adds.

Ill think if voided/serra makes sense as a team..

Still hanging on the oblivious point?

And please explain that because I wanna know where that came from.

relatedly, I'm beginning to agree more with Tierce and Syryana on serra.

!xvote Serra

[Voidedmafia]

!Vote serra

<_<

[Voidedmafia]

I'm saying it's telling that Syry is suddenly so aggressively sure of a scumread, when he is the only other viable lynch. Compare his current tone to that of 478 or something. I'm pretty sure this isn't MyLo, so we have a lynch in hand.

This is honestly terrible. As for why, well, Tierce said it before me, so.

[Voidedmafia]

I'm not sure how what Ruffling said makes Syr scum, if that's what you're referring to.

[Voidedmafia]

BBmolla apparantly isn't thinking about serra, and OS is happy for the serra wagon but hasn't delivered anything as of yet.

[Voidedmafia]

Does the tone particularly matter as much as the pace in aggression, for lack of a better way to phrase it?

[Voidedmafia]

When I replaced into this game serrapaladin stood out to me. He was currently playing in my own modded game Pokemon uPick and the overall appearance of his play there seemed a lot more interactive with the town as a whole. Here he isn't really being useful or contributing much.

Talk about ongoing games much?

[Voidedmafia]

Really Voided, really?

It looks like it, so.

Either I was blocked or Voided is lying.

Considering I've only had an item on N1 and you blocked Pim N1...I don't know where you got this conclusion?

[Voidedmafia]

I mean, really, how does that even match up?

[Voidedmafia]

...No, I never claimed that.

I got an item N1. It was used N1. I've never lied about when I used it.

[Voidedmafia]

Though if serra ever asked if I got and used an item N2 (which I do not recall off my head), please show me. And I mean asked SPECIFICALLY If I got and used on N2, not just if I used one.

[Voidedmafia]

Voidedmafia: So you're claiming to have purposefully misdirected us. Clean up your mess and tell us why you did it.

I saw him ask if I used an ability, so I thought he was referring to N1, not N2. I have been referring to N1 at all times regarding what I've receieved, so I haven't

purposefully

misdirected you

If serra did refer to N2 at some point, then sorry for not seeing that.

Now, Ruffling, explain what I would get by intentionally lying about this.

[Voidedmafia]

How were you able to use the invention the night you received it?

...This is a dumb question, OS.

[Voidedmafia]

Does anyone have a reason for him not yo claim what that power was?

Does anyone have a reason why I should?

[Voidedmafia]

I don't see it as such although I think I get what you're hinting at.

What, exactly, would stop me from using the ability the same night that I got it? Only way that would be possible is if Khan sent the PM with the item to me at the start of D2 so I'd only be able to use it N2. (and if that were the case, if I did hypothetically use it N2 it wouldn't have worked cuz serra)

[Voidedmafia]

When I asked you about being able to confirm on D2 you said you had to check your PM

Confirm what exactly I had recieved. I knew since N1 that I had gotten

something

, but at the time you asked I was fuzzy on what exactly it was.

I know what it is now (though I might have to look again to be sure of the name), but I still see no reason to out what it is.

Also, how would that even work? Aren't night actions resolved at the end of the night? If it's intended for you to use on the same night, that's a pretty bad system as shos could have waited until DL to submit his action.

Well, yes, that's true. So do you think that scum-shos or town-shos would be more likely to wait until DL to give me the item?

[Voidedmafia]

All I know is that N1 I recieved an ability and used that ability in the same night. Currently only Shos's claim seems to give any possible reason for why I should have it. (I'm starting have slight doubts as to if an inventor could give this role at all now that I look at it again, but still).

Unless you're going to say that I got an ability out of blue N1, someone else had to have given it to me if Shos did not.

P-EDIT: *shrug* Or the action that gave it to me was a day action.

[Voidedmafia]

As serrapaladin's claim makes this mylo, I've changed my mind.

I am in favor of a mass claim.

Should I assume I'm going first at this point?

Do you have a list or am I popcorning?

(Also, am I correct in that only shos and serra have fullclaimed out of those alive?)

[Voidedmafia]

You did?

[Voidedmafia]

Lolwut, voised is lying. Theres no way he got the ability and used it the same night. I sent the action late at night and i highly doubt practically everything he says, and superdiubt that xylbot works that way.

Told yall.

!vote voided

You want me to get timestamps when I claim, too?

[Voidedmafia]

Hypothetically, you're protecting serrapaladin from being lynched by sacrificing yourself and this was planned ahead of time. There you go, possible scummy motive.

so I, as scum, when asked by buddy-serra if I used an item N2, claim that I did so while knowing that I never receieved one that night.

At a later date, when pushed on by serra that I'm lying, I admit to such to sacrifice myself to give serra townpoints?

Is this correct?

[Voidedmafia]

Anyway you look at it, you are avoiding the questions put to you by spouting some of the most inane tripe.

and what questions have I avoided?

Besides, I suggested the day part after I listed some other plausible reasons, so...

[Voidedmafia]

The first half, no.

Why?

[Voidedmafia]

I didn't get anything N2.

P-EDIT: No, I was not like that at all. Stop making me look like some stupid jackass when that's not the right picture.

[Voidedmafia]

One of the reasons that shos seemed cleared as an inventor was because that Voidedmafia was not killed or blocked

On N1, mind. This still holds regardless of what I've said, btw.

Now Voidedmafia is all like "Oh, yeah. I was blocked last night. That wasn't important or anything, right? LOL!".

Quote where I said being blocked isn't important or this is baseless mudslinging. hell, quote where I admitted I was blocked, or this is also misrepping.

Yeah, it was important and I see no reason for a town aligned Voidedmafia to have kept it to himself especially as he was directly asked!

Who directly asked if I was blocked? I was asked if I used anything N2, not if I was blocked.

Everything from having used the ability N2

Already fixed this and said I did not see him specifically state that he meant N2. I thought he was referring back to N1 again when he asked.

Also, IIRC Shos had already said he had sent an item to PimHel by the time Serra asked, so who would I have gotten anything from (correct me if I'm wrong on this, though)

What reason would he have to do that from a townie perspective? Why won't he explain it?

Explain

what?!

You're demanding me to answer questions that you (or anyone else) never asked, and then calling me scummy because I didn't answer these imaginary questions. You've also completely ignored my request for you to quote ANY questions I may have missed/answered unsatisfactorily (mainly missed, but I'm expanding the criteria to include the latter), so if you still want to contend that I did, stop insinuating imaginary questions and produce real ones.

Everything from having used the ability N2 (not during the day, but at night) to the ability working correctly (making malfunctioning inventor less likely

Again, this all is for N1, not N2.

You've also ignored where I asked you to explain why the first part of my hypothetical scenario is wrong.

[Voidedmafia]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tierce

...

A.) Why?
B.) The first thing you do is completely ignore what's going on and instead vote someone who's not even related?

[Voidedmafia]

Wut. How the hell do you use an item the same night when you only get it when night is resolved?

I'm simply telling you what I know has happened. If I knew why, I'd have explained by now.

That's a load of crap. Shos gives you an ability N1. Thanks to NAR, you get it at D2 start. There's no way for you to use it N1.

Or possibly it's used at the start of D2?

Wait a minute. You're claiming you received and used an object N1. You do not clear shos with this information until D3. You don't know what it did as of D2 (shortly after you supposedly used it). You deflect serra's question

No.

i recieved and used an object N1. That is correct.

I cleared shos wth this on D2, and thought I was reconfirming this fact on D3, though I did not realize Serra was asking me about N2 and not N1 at the time. Perhaps not that it was used (I did not necessarily see the point of saying what I got and if it was used at the time), but at the very least that I did recieve something.

I did know what it did as of D2, I just simply haven't told you all yet (and I won't unless we're all massclaiming or I'm at L-1+hammer claim). I said I didn't exactly recall the name of the ability when I was originally asked D2, but I have known since I got it what it did.

How did I deflect his question?

Considering your "scumreads" at the start of D3 were me and shos, why didn't you block one of us?

This is a good question.

[Voidedmafia]

How did I deflect his question?

More specifically, he asked me if night actions are resolved at the end of the night, and I agreed with him, then went on to pose a question of my own.

Though, as I think on this, do you usually get to hold on to inventor abilities?

[Voidedmafia]

Hrmph, neither the inventor question to Khan nor the wiki states as such, but the only believable option is that I got it and had it available to use N1 and then either used it N1 or it was used up at the end of N1. And I'm absolutely positive it was used by N1 so it's one of those two options.

[Voidedmafia]

You're saying the item shos sent you used itself?

I'm saying that, possibly, if I didn't use the item it would've forcibly been used at the start of D2/end of N1.

...So yes, it probably used itself.

So you got the item N1, and used it during the day on Day 2. Is that correct?

I got the item on N1, and I supposed that it was used at the start of D2 or the end of N1, in either case without my directive.

Wait, now you used it N1 again?

I never tried to say otherwise.

I'm confused. Where did you clear shos in D2?

Do you not recall that Shos claimed inventor D2?

It sort of using itself and you getting some kind of confirmatory information is crazy talk.

Yet I have no ability to use now (nor had one for N2), and know that my PR given on N1 was used that very night.

[Voidedmafia]

My Ghoul PM from the first Xylbot Mafia says I won when I was alive with one other faction (town or scum). So Rufflig would be correct.

[Voidedmafia]

So when it becomes 2 scum, 1-2 town and scum win, you'd win with scum?

P-EDIT: 1 town, 1 scum, and 1 SK, sure. Probly not survivor.

[Voidedmafia]

I'd have to agree with Rufflig about that, but it is a grey area. One that I'd rather not resolve by getting there, but.

[Voidedmafia]

Again, I thought he was referring to N1, not N2, at the time. If I had realized this was not the case, I would've said that I didn't get anything.

[Voidedmafia]

Which means that you did not receive something that you expected to get night 2. When we theorized that shos was probably not a malfunctioning inventor because you didn't get killed or blocked night 2, you didn't speak up because ...?

When did I "expect" to get anything?

[Voidedmafia]

Are you saying that the ability was not used on night 2?

Other than at the beginning of D3 (which I've already cleared up), when did I ever say I got anything N2?

[Voidedmafia]

^^behold ashe keeps deflecting.

Ashe?

Also, he's asking dumb questions that would be answered for you if you read my posts already.

What if you got the ability and then i would e roleblocked?

That would be a confusing turn of events, yes, but not one that happened. In the case that it did, I would think the RB would resolve before anything ever arrived, even if you gave it to me at the start of night.

Do uou understand where you scumslipped?

I understand that I accidentally misanswered a question. As far as I can tell there haven't been any slips.

Which is why I asked you to straighten out your statements

You're asking inane questions without any kind of basis to them, not questions to "straighten out my (VM's) story". I never said that I "expected" anything N2 (which is another framing question on your part), and you haven't delivered on a quote that says I did; I never said that I got

anything

N2, the one time that I accidentally did I had already cleared up, and you haven't delivered on a quote after that point where I insisted I got something N2 once serra claimed I lied. And even then, if you put those particular posts in the frame of being about N1 and not N2 they make complete sense because it matches with what I claimed on D2 in the first place. So, to be frank, you look more like you're just asking questions.

Furthermore, why is all this spec about Shos being put back to D3 when I'm fairly sure this was asked on D2?

I'm just trying to pin down your story.

My story is quite clear, even if parts of it don't make sense.

You obviously do not want to cooperate

I do wish to cooperate, just not with answering stupid questions.

You seem to wish to be lynched.

Lol.

[Voidedmafia]

...hm...

I just checked my PM timestamps. According to them (and referencing when Khan started D2) I got the invention at the start of D2/end of N1, and the ability itself was used during the day, and not of my choosing. Perhaps "that very night" was an erroneous statement (and before you start shouting it's not "potentially intentionally misleading" info but simply incorrect info), but it was definitely not used anywhere near N2.

P-EDIT: Is that supposed to be a sarcastic quote, or a QFT quote?

[Voidedmafia]

I understand what you're trying to say, but it indeed DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. An ability doesn't just use itself during the day.

Yeah, that's the hang-up I'm still stuck on.

[Voidedmafia]

Voided, claim what action that was and how it was used and results please.

If we're going to massclaim, you can wait until then. I'll gladly say so then (or if I get to L-1+hammer claim, as I said before).

[Voidedmafia]

Should I assume I'm going first at this point?

Do you have a list or am I popcorning?

[Voidedmafia]

You had your chance to try and convince me that this was all some sort of mistake or memory lapse on your part. You blew it by posting more lies.

Uh-huh. And what lies were those?

[Voidedmafia]

I also note that I've asked you at least twice to quote anywhere that I've lied without giving an explanation (or clearly contradicted myself without being aware of it), and you have yet to provide.

So yeah, you're the one who needs to start explaining shit.

[Voidedmafia]

Back from V/LA, catch up later tonight.

Short, one post question: Are you in favor of massclaiming now?

[Voidedmafia]

Yes, it was a beautiful day, Voidedmafia. The weather was perfect for grilling some steaks outdoors.

So now you're completely ignoring my requests and instead posting fluff? Cute.

You say I'm lying now. You have yet to prove it with quotes.

I've levied quite a few claims against you. You have yet to properly respond to them. So get to it.

[Voidedmafia]

Oh, and you STILL haven't quoted any questions that you claim I've missed/avoided/etc, either. I'm still waiting for them.

[Voidedmafia]

Lets just lynch vpided aleardy

Your basis being...?

[Voidedmafia]

not really although I wouldn't mind a serra shot either just so he automatically loses and can't fuck with us anymore

Such a shot (if one exists) following this would be more advised than one on syr.

BB, I don't recall you saying why Syr is scum. Refresh my mind if you have, plz?

[Voidedmafia]

because my words do not form the basis of the case against you

After you make multiple posts detailing how I'm a lying scumbag? REALLY?!

I have no need to point out any lies

You're one of the ones who're saying I'm lying, you can provide the evidence to show it!

I won't engage in a pointless exchange just so you can troll me.

When, exactly, have I "trolled" you? I've responded to your questions. Any ones where I've responded with a question are related to areas that require you to show proof of your accusations, which you continue to not provide. Elsewise I have been very compliant in responding to anything you've asked, and have likewise requested things of you that you have still not provided.

To everyone else, you can ignore anything I said to or about Voidedmafia since I'm not backing it up. There. Are we done here? I am.

So everything you're saying and have said is a baseless accusation? Is that what I'm supposed to glean from this?

Though, to be quite frank, half of it sure looks like gross misreprentations of what I've actually said (or outright fabrications), so...

Are we done here? I am

I'm not.

Answer my fucking questions and respond to my damn requests.

[Voidedmafia]

...what?

[Voidedmafia]

...wait, wait, wait, just what the fuck are you talking about?

[Voidedmafia]

Wut?

Voided, im.not asking you to claim your role, only what yhe ability was and its resilts.

Again, IF we are doing a massclaim, I'll say so then.

You received an inspect ability from shos at the break of day 2. Later that day, but still very early on, you received a message stating that The Rufflig is town. Your inspect ability did not spontaneously activate and target a random player. You still have that inspect ability since you've never used it!

...you srs?

!xmafiahelp Friendly Neighbor

[Voidedmafia]

Voided what reason you habe for not sharing the info. It is not ypur role anymore amd it might confirm you or something if youre town.

Because if we're doing a massclaim in the near future (within the week) I'm going to be revealing it then anyways, and I'd rather have all the information be on one post.

Besides, since I apparantly haven't used it I don't really see how it'd confirm me.

[Voidedmafia]

Are you saying you did receive the message that Ruff is town?

Yes.

It didn't occur to me that Voidedmafia might have flubbed up reading the ability that he got from shos and combined it with my day 2 event into one impossible event

It looked like a message that might've been given from my ability, hence why I thought I had used it. Not so much flubbing reading as making an incorrect connection between to irrelevant PMs.

I was supposed to easily decipher his blunder into the correct series of events? (Although, if Voidedmafia had cleaned up his statements without making me drag it out of him maybe ... ). Once Voidedmafia checked the time stamps and stated that the ability went off on day 2, it took a little time to sink in as I was already convinced that he was scum.

Well,

I

still think I was quite clear on the sequence of events <_<.

I suppose it's true that revealing more about what I had gained would've been more helpful in resolving this, but up to this point I saw no reason to state my ability and what I percieved (at the time) to be the result from it, or any corresponding information (such as timestamps).

I still contend two of the questions you posed were based on imaginary information you had on me, though.

I am still sort of hesitant to believe this whole thing was just a mixture of derp and coincidence. It only came out because I claimed to have blocked Voided, so it all just seems like too much coincidence.

I think the issue might've come up when I eventually claimed what invention I got (if I ever got the chance) or when Rufflig claimed he was a Friendly Neighbor with me, so I don't think it's as indicative as you seem to think it is.

[Voidedmafia]

Umm, so let me get this straight...

Ruff is a neighbor, who targeted Voided and confirmed his alignment
Voided somehow thought that Ruff's confirmation was thanks to the invention
Shos is no longer conf town
Ruff is now conf town

Is that more or less it?

More or less. (Shos is still confirmed Inventor, though)

[Voidedmafia]

But you haven't used the thing he gave you, so how can you say that?

He's confirmed INVENTOR because I got the damn thing. What part of that hasn't been understood since D2?

The only thing that we have yet to prove is if he's conftown or not by it's usage.

[Voidedmafia]

Voidedmafia is still probTown but I hate you for making me wade through a sea of idiocy on these last few pages. You make PARTY Mogget a sad kitty. Do not taunt happy fun kitty.

I'm sorrry

!xUnvote serra

Why BB, again?

[Voidedmafia]

I think it'd have been better to have Rufflig say who starts it off, since he's conftown by two people.

Even so, I don't really see scum doing that right out the gate (unless scum-Syr is mafia and expecting his sibling to claim right after him), so tentative townpoints.

[Voidedmafia]

It was popcorned to you, Voided.

I'm aware. But I still wanted to point that out.

I'm a sibling, too.
The ability I recieved N1 from Shos is Psych, which means that if someone is an SK I can convert them to a VT.

Over to you, BB.

P-EDIT: Also, what Shos said.

[Voidedmafia]

Something more...tangible, maybe?

[Voidedmafia]

So... your tentative Townpoints amount to nothing. Why make the second paragraph of post 1085 if you're the sibling? What's the point in wondering about the sibling-ness, if you already have that info?

Because one sibling can be mafia-aligned?

And defeat what point? You're voting BB for "reasons". unless it's role-related i don't see why you can't say them.

serra: I guess, but why do think that it's impossible for both of us to be town, and who would be scum?

P-EDIT2: <_<

[Voidedmafia]

I didn't realise the game had started, thanks for the pm mod.

!vote bbmolla

Fucking hell, this is just screaming bastard.

Considering these are his only posts...I doubt it.

Or it was randomly deciding during the night for him. COnsidering those are his only posts, I'd bet on that.

[Voidedmafia]

How does one mix up a psych ability with receiving a player's alignment??? I don't understand Voidedmafia.

...Because that would mean I thought you were an SK I turned into a VT? What's so hard to understand about that? I'm aware that there are certain jumps here that look illogical in hindsight, but think: If you get an ability that can turn an SK into a VT N1, and you suddenly get a PM saying "btw, you know this guy is town," why wouldn't one of my first thoughts (if not the first thought) be "my ability was used already?" Especially since at the time (AFAIK) there was no indication from you that you were a Friendly Neighbor.

Also, I suppose it's true he might've, though due to his lack of posts I don't really see how your lack of presence D1 really would've pinged anything worth investigating for him, especially since D1 ended as abruptly as it did. Maybe if Parama had quickhammered a few days later, it'd be more possible, but I honestly can't see that.

P-EDIT: Ouch...Hurts, Tierce.

[Voidedmafia]

Still think the lynch on Syr was stupid. I'm not one to talk about stupidity, obviously, but I really can't believe that lynch happened.

[Voidedmafia]

Parama just sounds upset, mainly.

[Voidedmafia]

To be honest, claiming sibling didn't really hurt. It was MYLO, after all. The mafia could have mislynched anyone and won. The only way forward for the town was to no lynch and then not have one of the siblings night killed. As the town was not going to no lynch, the claim of sibling didn't matter.

Well, that, and no one claimed to have a protection role either.