Khan's Wacky Xylbot II Mafia (Mini 1441) (Game Over)

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Yo,

I'm not reading this shit.

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Actually Parama claiming BP as a gambit in the beginning and now vigilante is essentially an SK claim.

VOTE: Parama L-1

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I'm not leaving an SK alive with the potential for redirections and the like. Fuck that.

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Oh wow, actually I think I hammered Parama.
I didn't see Shos revote him

Still think the BP fakeclaim and then claim as vig is too coincidental

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Hmm...

It seems my gambit did not work as well as I had hoped.

I'll read the thread tonight.

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I honestly thought that it would have been hammer if I legitimately voted with the correct !x format.

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I didn't get to my reread tonight

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I'd like to get my thoughts out before anyone is hammered

I'll get to this game later today

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I will produce content tonight.
I spent a long time another game I just replaced into and it kinda drained me of all the willpower I had to read a significant amount

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This setup is so insane, I'm going to treat it as mountainous for the moment.

It is the most insane but you are treating it as the most basic?

Not liking Serra voting 'with reason'.

Why?

The first sentence was to you and Shos. Everything else was for Syry[something].
My point is that it's way too quick to mention who's part of the 'not-so-talkative' people.

I never mentioned who's part of the "not-so-talkative" people. I in no way stated that not being talkative is indicative of anything. I merely stated that I want "not-so-talkative" people to talk. If people don't talk, they can't be analyzed. Why are you making such a big deal of this?

I share Sry's sentiments, this didn't really seem like a big deal to get caught up on, Pim.

Why were you worried that people would already start to probe the lurkers?
Or did you think that was distracting from something else?

Thoughts on mass claim?

I wouldn't be opposed to this actually. In a setup where people are allowed A LOT of freedom for potential fakeclaims, tying them to one is probably a good idea.

BBmolla gets town points in my opinion. His actions leading up to this statement seem genuine.

I don't like Syryana's "treating this as mountainous". Care to elaborate, Syr?

Did you not read? He explains on the same page.

Millers and death millers get VT, cops and similar mightn't be sane, and some roles are false. That's not THAT bastardy. It's not 'insane'.

That's as bastard as they get reaslitically.

Also about Massclaim - no, not at all. what difference is it from any other setup in which you offer a massclaim D1??

The fact that it is potentially bastard? That seems like a pretty good reason to coordinate night actions.

If we have more than 3 VT claims somebody is lying.

I support massclaim even more then.
I also read BBmolla as more town than ever.

Voided's 121 looks town and like the Voided town that I have played with in the past.

>are you serious
>confirmed scum
as informed minority shos must take things more literally. that line pretty much biases me to read shos as scum from here on out.

Please explain.

What really sucks is you're probaly town too

Why do you say that?

His after voting Varsoon looked absolutely horrible.

There's barely any content there.

What a bad wagon

Seeing this I instantly thought mollascum since this is a really good wagon despite the lolhammer

Yeah I'm vigging Parama

if Parama dies, we should lynch molla
if not, we should lynch parama XD

1) why?
2) counting your chickens before they hatch?

???

molla, because I see absolutely no way in which this is an even slightly not-awesome wagon, so if he is town, then you probably know it and are distancing from it.

and if it wasn't obvious, the 'we should lynch parama' part of my post was joking >__> you know, damned if do damned if don't...it's funny.... >___>

I don't remember you playing this frantic in First Time Mafia but then again I thought you were town and didn't put that much effort into reading you there.

Why was this post not pushed more?

VOTE: Shos

Should assume two scum teams imo

And yet you are okay with voting Parama's suspect?

!vote Parama

What was with the certainty Varsoon would flip town? Really don't like the fact that you're trying to paint your vote as positive in any way, shape or form. You should have read the game regardless of whether there'd been a hammer or not.

I like this post from Serrapaladin although I wish he would have explained his eye roll post and what prompted it.

Lol so this page is just me being voted unreasoned? :0

Anyway. Ive seeen parama do stuff like tgat all the time; i always see him as scum and err.
two kills, im assuming no vig cuz theyd shoit parama...so two scumteams or sk.

You see him do this all the time as scum and yet you don't vote him.

!vote The Rufflig

Cause OMGUS.

Are you going to treat the game as not mountainous because we have flips...

BB is not a bad player, there's no way he's transparent enough for you to make that statement.

You've never played with BB have you?
This post looks like you are attacking Parama for doing something that you find questionable, but you unvote him?

I would, but people here are insisting that's par for the course...

What exactly are you doing in the mean time?
OH wait.

Nothing.

Well how bout for his bulletproof fakeclaim, his derphammer, his insistence that shos is mafia and his equal insistence that BB is town/jester?

Why is his insistence on this bad? Do you find Shos town?

Why do you think he's insisting it?

It feels like a bus. And no.

His reasoning on Molla being a jester is horrifying.

I kinda agree with that because it looks like he is just writing off BBmolla

His last couple posts gave me an off vibe. In the first he asks why I'm scummy for suspecting Parama when he suspects Parama for similar reasons. In the second he says "fairly new town seeing non-standard RVS as scummy is quite common though." Maybe defense isn't the right word, but the serra I know wouldn't be letting me slide just because I'm new or because I am thinking the same way he is.

Have you played with Serra before? Do you have extensive knowledge of him?

290 was a whole lot of nothing just like Parama's reread post imo

We were just scumbuddies in this game if you wanna check it out

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=26594

Hmm... I am putting more stalk into BB's ability to read Parama
But looking at BB's scum play, it looks a lot like his town play which makes me feel scared about my read in him

In that game he also advocated a policy lynch on another player...

BB, is it apart of your universal meta to advocate a policy lynch on another player?

What this proves is that anyone and everyone calling me scum clearly doesn't believe it. If you cared, you'd have the mod prod me, to force a response, or even notice my absence. But nope. Pushing cases on me "while I'm afk" and not even being the slightest bit interested in hearing what I have to say. I know there's not many people saying it but this one gambit is likely to provide a roadmap to wiinning this game in an easy handsweep.

This looks town and is the first thing where I can actualy follow Parama's thought process
I also agree with it. Parama's wagon happened way too fast in the same way that Varsoon's wagon happened without much resistance

Oh my god I don't want to read this game it is increasingly frustrating. I thought it would be a lot of fun but so far it is just a lot of belligerent arguing and ordinary -.-"

As there may be two separate scum teams, I do not understand the push to try and make Shos tie all his suspects together as one scum team. As Shos himself did not try and tie Syryana and Parama together, why make a big deal about these two scum suspects not fitting together?

Why do you keep insisting that there are two scum teams?

And you had to wait for a prod to tell us? Wait, you knew coming into this game that you wouldn't have time to play it, but signed up anyway? Here is your entire contribution to the game thus far:

Why were you only going after wind-up for this

So im an inventor, i give people powers. I gave one to voided last night whicj is wierd why.he didnt understand me;. I also crumbed on post 1 that o make uo stuff

Oh, that was you? I did wonder why I suddenly got an ability last night, but I wasn't about to accept your hints like that (I will admit to not quite getting it the first read, though )

Shos is town if the claim is true, lynch UT or Parama.

hmm..
My guess was maybe a messenger or friendly neighbor type role
Can Inventors in this setup be scum?

Actually, are alignments independent from roles?

Why would a scum inventor tarfet townies, lol. Id target myself or my partners.

Anyway i still sont recall any case against me and would like to know why i was voted.

Umm
I actually have a really good response to this but I want you think about it more

Hint: Scum inventor targetting townies has been done before

hint: one of the roles I asked for help on would totally have motivation to give junk to a townie

Actually both of them would, as either alignment really imo

TheRufflig is Town (never never lynch this slot), Voided is probably Town as well

I don't get that Ruffig is in the "definitely town spot" but Voided isn't.
You played in the Blackflag game with me.. You know Voided's play

What made you think that Ruffing is super town like that anyway?

Post 149 was the kind of :effort: crap Parama pulls as scum

How many times have you played with Parama?
How many times have you played with Parama scum?

First off:

!unvote Untrod Tripod

I will be publishing a series of posts, the first of which will be about BBMolla/Parama.

Why did it take you such a long time to become active in this game?

I cut out all the nonsense about shos and UT. However, even after I cut those parts out, I found that well over half that huge "catchup post" was dedicated purely to BBMolla. Why is Parama spending so much time on Molla? About halfway through the post Parama "realizes" that Molla is the jester. Even after realizing that, Parama continues to analyze Molla's posts, even going so far as to call Molla a "jester pretending to be a mafia pretending to be a jester". My, Parama is spending a hell of a lot of time pointing out that Molla is a jester, isn't he? Too much time. He could have accomplished that by saying "k, Molla's jester". Instead, we have 3/4 of a huge massive wall dedicated to showing Molla is a jester. That's when I realized: Molla is in fact not a jester, he's scum with Parama.

Actually that is a good point about Parama

Why do you think BBmolla is a jester/town and not scum?

Zzz
Tierce you can be wrong too

It's okay to be afraid. <3

Hmm never mind about my question earlier with Parama
I think Tierce is town for her pointing out that inconsistency with Syr's post and this taunting

Damn it, Tierce. I've been trying to tone down my towniness so I could make it further into the games more often. Looks like I'm still a fairly easy alignment read, though. Oh well.

I expect this type of behavior from BBmolla and is ilk, but this from you is just freaking weird

So this guy is third party? I doubt he's scum, but third party sounds about right.

The Para selfvote just screams gambit....

Why is he third party and not scum?
Where are all these specific alignment call outs coming from in this game anyway

I'm fairly sure I'm cool enough to get you lynched without a full-blown case, Parama,

This looks pretty town and like the Tierce I've seen
Arrogance fueled by a joking manner

Pim's insistence that he wants more from Tierce given her case and the wagon on Parama looks town
It shows that he isn't going to go around willy nilly.
I like his push on Serra too. He isn't letting it drop either but he isn't exactly trying very hard other than repeating his own comments to get his suspicions lynched

OK. I'm done rereading for now.


Town reads:
Voided
Tierce
BBmolla
Pim

Scum:
Serra
Syr
Ruffig

I'm not really sure what to make of Parama. I thought his reaction to my hammer gambit was fairly town. and I am waiting on Shos's response to my question in my wall ^ before I pass judgment on him and his claim

!xmafiavote: Syrana

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^ I'm not reading that.

It's ok. I don't really expect people to read the whole thing just crtl + F their names.

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Hmm...

Noting that.

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Because it's a catch-up wall?

Because of the comments in the wall really.
I've learned my mistake from Dirty Dealing ;_;

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I mean, the only thing I remember from DD is that I did something to piss you and Mehdi off and somehow lived through D2.

Your comments on things here match the type of comments you made in DD.
I kinda ... wanted to kill you for those comments in that game.

Anyway, because of that I think you are town here. You questioning me on that front only really solidifies my thinking

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Does Mafia Ally mean they counted for win condition purposes

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I've never played a Xylbot game in my life so everything is really new to me

I basically joined to get a wacky role and well.. Ya... :/

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Anyway VOTE: Sry

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Umm

!xxylbot help [voteblocker]

I think that's right

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!xmafiavote:Syr

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I'm voting Syr for not any one reason but for multiple things in his play that don't seem right. They are mostly off hand comments that I feel better describe someone's mentality than long drawn out posts

One is Syr lashing at BBmolla for saying if he and Parama were scumbuddies he would have hammered a long time ago and then once Param asked why Syr was voting Parama Syr replied because he was bussing his scumbuddy.

One is Tierce pointing out that Syr just completely left out a point that he earlier accused Parama when Syr made his big post

One is the fact that imo he was trying to either weaken the town read on my slot and Tierce's slot toward the tail of the day yesterday or get a better idea on what to do with Tierce and I

Plus there is the added fact that I think Parama was most likely a counterwagon to scum which would mean Syr because Parama openly expressed that he did not like Syr and so it was very important that Parama died before Syr

pedit: Tierce calm down

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I don't know if it is the way you speak (type) but it seems like you are always agitated unless you do one of those parnethetidals or puppy or ~

I hope you don't take offence to that it is just my impression

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Tierce I'm always chill





Okay that's a lie but I am mostly always chill

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Why OS and Tierce?

Shos you can answer this too.

This is the quote I was referring to Syr.
Also, what was it that you wanted me to answer. I don't remember you asking me any questions

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How did I pretty blatantly ignore Parama when the first thing I did upon replacing in was try to trick him into thinking I had hammered him (albeit pretty slipshod way).

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Oh for fuck's sake.

I basically joined to get a wacky role and well.. Ya... :/

This is a vanilla claim. The kind of premature claim that is only made by derp Town. He wasn't under pressure, he wasn't being pushed, it was not trying to prematurely claim VT at L-4.

Admittedly, I've seen Town PRs (LOOKING AT YOU, WHISKERS) who stupidly make this kind of post when they are

not

vanilla, but I've never seen scum pull them like this.

And Oversoul, who loves to gambit PRs he doesn't have? No way he'd make this if he thought there was a chance he could fake a PR as scum, but I

hope

that by now he has learned that stupid gambits as Town do more ill than good (LOOKING AT YOU, OVERSOUL).

Wow.

There goes that plan.

At least this makes me feel pretty solid town in you. Scum would try to hide that information so they could aim for PRs at night.
And I do ~crazy shit all the time.

To the point that I don't think I've actually told the complete truth about anything in any game. Ever.
Is that the truth?

But I stand behind my ideas that the fake Daykill was awesome and nabbed 2 scum imo while just making two very good town players uber confirmed town.

I am sorry about the other incident. I try to hide from that one.

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he apparently doesn't understand what a mafia-ally

And you do?

My question about Mafia-ally is more about technicalities with the role, such as... do Mafia-allies point to one scum team? Do mafia-allies know the members of said scum team? Do Mafia-allies have any ability of communicating? And so forth.

Since you apparently seem to know, why don't you answer it for me and try to help me grasp the game?

I believe the posts he is referring to here are #608 and #612. The first post called BBMolla's #599 bad. It doesn't take a genius to see the blatant WIFOM I'm referring to. In the second post, I am telling Parama I'm bussing him for towncred (should be fairly obvious it's a joke). How are the two related? How are they indicative of a scum mindset, particularly in light of Parama's flip?

I admit I was reading that in complete seriousness, but joke or not, why make that specific joke when you just called out BBmolla?

And yes, in light of Parama's flip this doesn't look as bad, but Parama's wagon was beginning to fail when you made that comment and context is very important with comments like this.

The off hand, quick remarks in my opinion are more telling because scum don't think about those as much when they make them.
I think you said this because BBmolla just got away with saying his little bit.

Newsflash, BB does this type of stuff ALL the time. It isn't scummy.

Sheeping a Tierce point.

What exactly is wrong with this?

Town read on your slot? What town read on your slot? You replace Untrod, who was almost the lynch yesterday instead of Parama. The only reason you didn't get lynched was a combination of Parama being scummier and Tierce saving your ass through Untrod meta. Your argument that I was trying to weaken the townread on Tierce is bad for similar reasons.

When BB said that he liked Tierce and I, I took that to mean BB thought Tierce and I were town reads to him. BB mentioned a third player, Pim, but you were only fixated on Tierce and I which is why I said you were trying to weaken town reads which so far you have to prove my assertion is false. You are just acting "confused" about it.
If you were genuinely curious about the town reads from BB on Tierce and I why didn't you push for more explanation?

Once BB posted his response to your question, you didn't follow up on it that Day. Instead you went V/LA and Param was lynched. Looking past that, even toDay, you didn't follow up on that. So yes, I question that statement of yours completely since it looks like it was thrown out there for seemingly no reason.

Especially when you were "waiting for BB and OS to comment on things" and you don't seem to care now that BB did comment on it.

Uh, what? If Parama was a counterwagon to scum, you are the scum. There was no wagon on me yesterday. Parama declared me conf-scum and voted me, but there was no wagon on me. Yet another point in your case evaporates.

At the end of the day, there were 3 votes on you.
I know I am town and thus I can't be a scum counterwagon to Parama-town which leaves you. Not to mention, I only had 1 vote on me which is hardly a counter wagon. You are trying to twist my words.

You being the scum counterwagon makes even more sense considering that Parma claimed he was going to kill you that night so it was essentially do or die for you.

I think you might be a vital PR to the scum which is why it was so dire that Parama died that day instead of you.

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Voided was not voting "a random guy", he just didn't move his vote from the previous wagon, and it was as good there as 'not voting', because the wagon wasn't moving. (And I wasn't talking about Parama's self-vote, I was asking Pim why he hadn't mentioned serrapaladin's lack of vote until he voted Parama, but mentioned Voided's parked vote the moment serra changed his vote elsewhere.) It's a parked vote on a dead wagon while considering a hammer on another wagon. I've seen Town do it time and time again, and it wasn't like he wanted the Oversoul wagon to grow, so it wasn't an opportunistic vote on one-of-two Town wagons. Oversoul wasn't the main counterwagon, that wagon was completely dead.

Considering I was going to be snarky and condescending in my response, most likely, imma just quote this and agree with this.

http://www.explosm.net/comics/1892/


you did state multiple times that but still that argument did not look like tvt, and we have a flip on parama, so.

Tierce, link me to that inventor game of yours. you're defending voided far too many times in my memory of this game (and you're in it for only a short while..) and regardless I'd like to see it. putting myself in his position, if he's town then you go through a night doing whatever you can do or not and RECIEVING AN ABILITY, say, the mod gives you 1-shot track. well someone must've done that, right? now, if someone specifically asks me like 3-4 times if

I know what he's talking about

and that

he should be confirmed to me

then MAKE THE FUCKING 1+1. srsly wut

Some people are just really, really oblivious.

I remember this one time I was a seeking mason with a specific ability name (that I knew my partner knew) and I just outright repeated it 2/3 times while specifically mentioning him and it was just woosh. right over his head.

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Hmm, Ruffig probably town for that

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See I debated that as well, but I need the answers from Khan before I am going to make any judgments on it

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This whole Mafia ally business is fucking confusing.

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Hmm...

!xmafia forceloadmodule insane

I just wanted to know whether or not Pim knew the mafia or not. If he did, it would likely make Syr town, if he didn't, then it means nothing that he was vote blocked. Although if he did and Syr is a vital PR like I think and this would be a really good WIFOM gambit to do and it was only made better by the fact that Pim died last night..

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Shos are you only going after Voided because he was oblivious to your crumbs?

Think about it for a second, what pro-scum motivation is there for purposefully ignoring it?

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I am going to work but I am excited to see a Serra and a Syr wagon at the same time.
I'll read this tonight.

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I'll try to get to this tonight but I am going out

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Right... I'm in this game. >_>
Sorry guys

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I'm rereading serra now

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Quote strip of Serra's voting actions and the reasoning that accompanies them...

You will notice a pattern very soon.

Spoiler: Serra's votes + stuff

Hi guys.
VOTE: mod for voting pedantry
and

!vote Sharper

for reasons.

Post 110 sucked. Hard.

Sarcastically calling Syr's post vacuous or disagreeing with a mass lynch?

There are some setups that could certainly be broken with a mass claim, but if the game is already slightly scumsided with no protection roles, a mass claim can seal the game against town very quickly by pointing out optimal NKs, of which there are probably several.

Varsoon, if you expect 112 to be a reaction test, why point that out straight away?

!vote Varsoon

@MM: last time mod said he does prefer bold votes though.

Are we honestly not going to talk about Parama's derphammer? I can't find any comparably derpy play from him recently and with 100+ completed games I would hope that's not common for him.

!vote Parama

What was with the certainty Varsoon would flip town? Really don't like the fact that you're trying to paint your vote as positive in any way, shape or form. You should have read the game regardless of whether there'd been a hammer or not.

The wagon had already been driven to L-1. If you were so sure Varsoon was town, that should have been equally useful in gathering reads from. Your flurry of posts after your hammer looks a lot like you trying to talk yourself out of/smokescreening any blame for the hammer. I don't buy shos-scum, nor do I see why you'd think he'd be killed last night.

BB, why so selective in how you apply your sig?

Well I can 100% guarantee you that BB isn't mafia in this game, or even a harmful third. He's either town or jester, so lynching him is bad.

And I liked you before but your stubborn insistence to not logic is baffling

BB is not a bad player, there's no way he's transparent enough for you to make that statement. I don't have a scumread on him, but I see no logical reason to give him a town-pass. I also still haven't seen a compelling case against shos, so you can attack my logic all you want and risk me completely ignoring you, or you can start using some hard logic yourself. Also, what have you done around here for people to not find derp-hammers by you suspicious?

!unvote

The unlyncher thing was a surely a joke. Rufflig, mind explaining your thoughts about Syr?

Huh, fairly new town seeing non-standard RVS as scummy is quite common though.

Parama's massive wall basically has shos scum for allegedly taking stuff too literal, calling out lurkers, not scumhunting and voting Varsoon. The first two points are non-tells, the third is less true than for many others (like UT) and Varsoon was wagoned to L-1 before he got derp-hammered. The Varsoon wagon was bad in hindsight, but I see worse votes on it than shos' (PimHel/UT).

Actually, I think I'll

!vote Untrod_Tripod

!vote Syryana

I'm starting to think scumslip from shos. Last Xylbot AND most testsetups posted here and last game have 2+2 scum...

!vote shos

Nah, I don't really see UT. I could go for Syr, but shos is fine.

Voided, did the ability gifted to you by shos do anything verifiably useful? Did it work?

Why would a scum inventor tarfet townies

trips me up a bit, as scum can't be normal inventors, and if his role is the normal inventor, he should know that.

UT looks very much like the town type of not giving a shit and his attackers are being pretty opportunistic. I don't really see Para/BB together, but either one of them, or them on separate teams is quite likely if shos is town.

Untrod's play really doesn't make any sense at all as scum. He's literally refusing to contribute, and being pretty obvious about it. That play just screams apathetic townie (or jester), while as scum I would expect the lurking to be more active and less abrasive. This way, he's blatantly lurking AND drawing attention to himself, which I just don't see from scum. I guess there's the off-chance that he's scum gambitting being read as jester, but I doubt it.

Given his last two posts by shos, I'm more inclined to believe he's town. I don't think the normal inventor role exists for scum, shos. It should say which alignments your role can be in your role PM.

!unvote

From Syr trying to tie BB and Para together as a scumteam, I get the impression he's scum with one of them and wants to ensure a mislynch when his scumbuddy gets lynched. The same could sort of apply to shos, as well, but I think Syr is scummier on his own.

With Rufflig's reply to Tierce's comment about how obvtown he is, I sort of got the vibe he's third party who is playing a town game. I don't often see town replying to comments about how town they look.

Para, you should probably claim.

I think we could learn a lot by lynching Para, but the selfvote worries me... I'm still not sure whether it's a ballsy gambit or whether he actually is town trying to move the game forward. I highly doubt he's a jester, as shos suggested.

I'll give more detailed reads later today or tomorrow.

It seems my gambit did not work as well as I had hoped.

It's pretty unlikely that there's only one non-town directed kill, plus Para's reaction to the fakehammer looked pretty fake, so Para is a good lynch. I still think he's scum with Syr (or maybe shos), but worst case he's an SK.

!vote Parama

Back to L-1.

Sorry for my lack of activity, I've had a bigger workload over the last week than I thought I would.

I still think Parama, if not scum, is much more likely to be an SK than a vig.

Regarding OS' wall:

The eyeroll was acknowledging Varsoon's hypocrisy of complaining about eyerolls being mean, but then calling us assholes for lynching him.

In 233 I unvoted Para, because enough people had confirmed the derp-hammer is common behaviour. I sarcastically mentioned what a horrible town-meta that is to have...

What was the purpose of asking whether I've played with BB? I think this is our third game together, and nowhere has his play been transparent enough to justify Para's certainty about BB being either town or jester.

Your comment about my level of contribution is rich given the slot you switched in to.

The comment about Rufflig being third party was more gut than anything else. I think a survivor would be more likely to respond to being called obvtown than town, and I really don't see Rufflig as scum.


Para, what's wrong with VM not wanting to hammer you YET?

!vote Syryana

I'm pretty sure it's not MyLo, so that should be fine.

You like meta right, Tierce? Try this and tell me more about how this is town-Syry...

When I replaced into this game serrapaladin stood out to me. He was currently playing in my own modded game Pokemon uPick and the overall appearance of his play there seemed a lot more interactive with the town as a whole. Here he isn't really being useful or contributing much.

I didn't really make an analysis of serra because I felt certain about Syr being a useful PR but serra has just been plodding on by.

Here serra is just coasting on by. Each of his votes he never really explains other than perhaps vague one or two lines about the reasoning. In posts that I didn't quote he seems really eager to shoot down any ideas that aren't currently supporting the main train of thought, but he isn't really ADDING anything to these wagons either. I could see a town player countering information being brought up by then bringing up their own analysis, but serra isn't doing that. He is attempting to stifle discussion without producing any of his own.

His votes have been on pretty much all the major wagons at the time and follow the general wagon trend of the game as a whole, but they don't stick out in any unique fashion like some of the other players' in the game.

When I asked him about this experience with BB he pretty much contradicted what I thought he was going to say.
I don't know if it is my bias from playing with BB a couple of times recently wherein he was town (Nexus's invitational and the Fortnight) but BB has been playing pretty transparent in terms of throwing out comments that most players would deem "wtf". The fact that serra hasn't picked up on that despite playing with BB three times is troubling as it either means he isn't paying attention to BB in this game or he is ignoring BB and just going after things on the surface, a.k.a. low hanging fruit.

When I brought up that he wasn't really contributing or being active his response was a sarcastic remark about my PREDECESSOR. How does that answer anything at all? How can *I* even respond to that? He avoids the question while ACKNOWLEDGING its merits and discredits me for asking it based on actions that I cannot account for because I didn't make them. He knows it is true but he attacks my own standing to make the question have less merit. This is typical of serra sniping counter opinions in the game. He adds barely enough to make a difference except to cause doubt or uncertainty all the while he is perfectly happy with pretty much ANY vote.

I am willing to hammer.

Serra, claim.

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When I replaced into this game serrapaladin stood out to me. He was currently playing in my own modded game Pokemon uPick and the overall appearance of his play there seemed a lot more interactive with the town as a whole. Here he isn't really being useful or contributing much.

Talk about ongoing games much?

Really Voided, really?

re: the claim... I need to look up that role.

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How were you able to use the invention the night you received it?

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How were you able to use the invention the night you received it?

...This is a dumb question, OS.

I don't see it as such although I think I get what you're hinting at.

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I don't see it as such although I think I get what you're hinting at.

What, exactly, would stop me from using the ability the same night that I got it? Only way that would be possible is if Khan sent the PM with the item to me at the start of D2 so I'd only be able to use it N2. (and if that were the case, if I did hypothetically use it N2 it wouldn't have worked cuz serra)

Because that's how normal inventors work?

I don't think I've ever really heard of the rapid action resolution version that you are claiming.

And if that is the case, then Pim could have used the ability he received last night instead of voteblocking but he didn't.

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I mean, I have basically full claimed already

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I am okay with mass claim as I have been for a while

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I'm not sure I buy the theory that Voided is trying to get lynched to save buddy serra especially if you think this is MyLo with serra's claim.

Why wouldn't they just move onto someone who isn't their buddy and attempt to get them lynched?

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That would be a pretty cool role though...

Where are we on mass claim?

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Just wait until after Memorial Day

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not really although I wouldn't mind a serra shot either just so he automatically loses and can't fuck with us anymore

But that is me being spiteful so do what yo uwish

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Join game 1.
Draw scum.
Join game 2.
Draw scum.
Join game 3.
Draw scum.

I hate all the things.

But hey, not complaining about that victory.

Thanks for modding, KK!

You're lucky I replaced into a scum slot!

I don't know what it was about your play up to the point when I replaced in but it definitely did not feel like the town Tierce that likes to grab people by the balls.

Anyway, yay we won.

Zzz, although I don't think this was really fair for town.

PIM!

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I would have liked it if KK allowed us to forceloadmodules of different games.

That would have been sweet.