Khan's Wacky Xylbot II Mafia (Mini 1441) (Game Over)

[Tierce]

O hai. Quick run through the game before I pass out.

and I don't know if you knows this but balls can be pretty damn scummy

But... but... uo.ou

Ball...?

I want reads from serrapaladin, Syryana and Voided, with reasoning.

TheRufflig is Town (never never lynch this slot), Voided is probably Town as well, and so is UT. Remind me to take you through Mafia in #YOLOmemorylane when I'm awake.

Let's lynch Parama while he's afk.

!vote Parama

...No. Not for that, anyways.

Well how bout for his bulletproof fakeclaim, his derphammer, his insistence that shos is mafia and his equal insistence that BB is town/jester?

^^^ Would lynch. (Won't touch this slot before Parama is dead, though.) This is a really bad post, look at how he's focusing on behaviors over motivations; I know Syryana from Zach's latest F11 game and he was far better than this at scumhunting.

This post shows a good summary why not.

I think you've gotten everything that you're going to get from Shos on this. I hope you don't mind me interjecting here.

I don't feel those quotes disprove a Syryana - Parama connection. You're overlooking the possible motive of Syryana distancing himself from Parama because of the hammer. I would weight that type of quote more heavily in favor of there not being a connection, if that sort of interaction had happened before Parama's hammer.

I love you. Let's forget that Bad Apples existed in that MLP game and run away together.
Why aren't you voting? Come join Parayana Lynchings '13.

Still Alive

And how do you feel about potatoes and being fed to birds?


Parama is scum and needs lynched ASAP. (Previous-self high-five about that wall.)

Post 149 was the kind of :effort: crap Parama pulls as scum. I was fine with the hammer coming from him, but the following post was really really bad. Post 315 is equally bad. You want to see someone who

clearly believes

you are scum? /)U^.^U/) (\U^.^U(\

[Tierce]

Untrod's play really doesn't make any sense at all as scum. He's literally refusing to contribute, and being pretty obvious about it. That play just screams apathetic townie (or jester), while as scum I would expect the lurking to be more active and less abrasive. This way, he's blatantly lurking AND drawing attention to himself, which I just don't see from scum. I guess there's the off-chance that he's scum gambitting being read as jester, but I doubt it.

He'd have self-voted by now as Jester, though; he's at L-1. But this

does

read like the attitude in Mafia in #YOLOville, where I still insist he was scum though he flipped Town.

[Tierce]

S'okay. There were several reasons I wanted reads from different people, yours was mostly to check if you were actually in the game or just kind of floating about.

Please vote Parama instead? UT is Town and I don't like that L-1, but I'm exhausted, so I'll go through #YOLOville tomorrow.

Late happy b-day, btw!

[Tierce]

!xmafia replace Untrod Tripod

If trolling the game is all that you are going to do, get out. I want Farafan in this slot. The accent is more entertaining and they catch scum instead of lazying about.


PEdit: Town.

[Tierce]

Don't worry, bus at will. We'll still get

you

after Parama, though, not BB.

[Tierce]

Let's lynch Parama while he's afk.

!vote Parama

...No. Not for that, anyways.

Well how bout for his bulletproof fakeclaim, his derphammer,

his insistence that shos is mafia

and his equal insistence that BB is town/jester?

Note that this was completely left out of Syryana's Post 478; in fact, he said that "I cut out all the nonsense about shos and UT" from Parama's "edited post 149". He completely abandoned this line of discussion, when it was one of the core points about his Parama case and the only truly legitimate thing about it.

He made 478 about Parama and BBmolla derping around, with a pretense at motivation seeking that is really only skin-deep. Parama can be obvious at scum, but there is no benefit for him in calling his partner Jester to make him "unlynchable" and vice-versa. In a game with multiple kill powers, a Jester claim doesn't save scum, so it would be outright suicidal for a scumteam to claim Jester. It was a stupid fakeclaim from both and to both, and they are known to do so regardless of alignment.

However, in this game,

Parama

's fake bravado is much more likely to come from scum. He tends to act really awkwardly when producing "genuine" content as scum, which is one of the things that leads to his tendency to claim scum with anyone and everyone, make fakeclaims, and generally fuck around until he goes "oh shit this is awkward I guess I should try to look like TOWN" and then rolling out a pretense at content like the mudslingy 149.

Syryana is trying to push "bad play" as "scum obfuscation", which is ridiculous, since it's much more likely that (wonder of wonders) people are messing about in a bastard game. What is more, he is going "pushing a policy lynch on page 1" = "Jester" or "trying to look like a Jester", and spends a lot of time discussing the quality of their play and how this means they are scum together playing an obfuscation game. He even mentions that people say Parama derphammers in multiple games, and that BB is using this for their scumteam's purpose--but does not seem to care to check out their meta to see if they behave like this elsewhere.

PEdit: Apparently yes. ^.^ And now, finally, to bed.

[Tierce]

Let's lynch Parama while he's afk.

!vote Parama

Let's lynch Parama while he's afk.

!vote Parama

...No. Not for that, anyways.

Well how bout for his bulletproof fakeclaim, his derphammer, his insistence that shos is mafia and his equal insistence that BB is town/jester?

I would, but people here are insisting that's par for the course...

So, they're his scumbuddies. What's your point?

Well how bout for his bulletproof fakeclaim, his derphammer, his insistence that shos is mafia and his equal insistence that BB is town/jester?

Why is his insistence on this bad? Do you find Shos town?

Why do you think he's insisting it?

It feels like a bus. And no.

His reasoning on Molla being a jester is horrifying.

That's what I get for posting sleepy :S
@Syry
Why not go for the player with more votes when you think both are scummy?

Because at this point I'm more interested in information than a lynch.

[serrapaladin's]

last couple posts gave me an off vibe. In the first he asks why I'm scummy for suspecting Parama when he suspects Parama for similar reasons. In the second he says "fairly new town seeing non-standard RVS as scummy is quite common though." Maybe defense isn't the right word, but the serra I know wouldn't be letting me slide just because I'm new or because I am thinking the same way he is.

Not defending you Syr, just calling PimHel's point bad. Why aren't you pointing out that VM is 'defending' me?

Good luck, BB. I remember that pain :/

I was waiting until after you responded to attempt to salvage whatever was left of my reaction test after your puppet Voided shat all over it.

!vote Voided

But seriously, that's an awful vote.

I know. I was just grumpy with Voided for killing it.

!unvote

Now I need to get off my ass and remember what the hell is going on with this game.

!vote Untrod Tripod

No content whatsoever, was also on Varsoon wagon.

if you think that was an attack, just wait til I see what I do to Jenny

!unvote, !vote Varsoon

Between #124 and #133, I'm pretty happy with a Varsoon lynch. The "reaction testing a reaction test" reeked of BS and his defense in #133 (if you can call it that) was even worse.

!vote Varsoon

I believe that's L-3.

P-edit: L-2.

What a comparison. I don't care that you were on the wagon, I care because I don't know why you were on the wagon.

Alright then, what do you think of shos/Parama?

PEdit: Does UT have a history of yelling at people to stop being dumbasses, Molla?

Pedit2: You killed my reaction test, Voided.

Not sure if bad phoneposting or drunk.

To be fair, Para, this game is pretty dead... I still disagree on shos, but Syry would be a good wagon.

Also, are you sure BB isn't scum?

When and why did you decide I'm scum, serra?

In the interest of getting somewhere with this game:

!vote shos

You rang, Ruff?

I'm cool with voting for a DL. Or just lynching shos/UT. Whichever way.

!vote Untrod Tripod

First off:

!unvote Untrod Tripod

I will be publishing a series of posts, the first of which will be about BBMolla/Parama.

That Parama/BBmolla suspicion was where? And where did the Parama/shos idea fly off to? Is shos Town due to his claim? How does Parama's stance toward shos read now, then?

The shift in tracks in 259 and then in 284 seem unnatural, because you don't follow up on your alleged Parama/BBmolla/shos suspicions, and instead latch on to the comfortable wagons with lots of votes.

[Tierce]

>.> 5 am and I am pushing a scumread I have no interest in seeing lynched Today wheeee.

#mafiascumproblems

[Tierce]

S'okay. There were several reasons I wanted reads from different people, yours was mostly to check if you were actually in the game or just kind of floating about.

I would be correct in presuming this is not a general explanation for all three of us? (don't answer right away if you don't want to, but I'd like to know)

You would.

Hi, Tierce. [kiss-ass-mode]I was hoping to get a chance to play with you.[/end mode]
Anyway, I want your thoughts about Serra.
Secondly, your opinion on meta.
More will follow after this.

I'll get back to you on serra, I need to dash and I have a busy evening today' I want his reads ASAP. I'm a bit curious, though--I'd assume that if you wanted to play with me, you'd know that I rely on meta quite a lot (and the fact that I am bringing up #YOLOville and other games (if indirectly) already shows it in this game). Why that question?

[Tierce]

Zzz
Tierce you can be wrong too

It's okay to be afraid. <3

[Tierce]

Because I was half-passed out throughout all of yesterday and haven't really touched the two of them + they are not the people I want lynched Today. I know it was insufficient and poor meta analysis as far as writing it goes (and I seriously need to check Abarat + New Age Mafia II for UT in particular).

[Tierce]

Here, PimHel, this is probably the best summation I've made in a while (I'm one half of Sixty and the more active poster in the game in question):Subject: The Dresden Files - Early Days Mafia (Bastard) - Over

Sixty, what games are you using for your GreyICE meta and can you explain why ICEninja is town of his depth?

@Sixty

, i'd like to ask you some more questions (besides those asked by others). I can see your point about GreyICE, do you have any links to his scum games? I want to form my own opinion but badly lacking time.

You two do not seem to know how meta actually works. It is not about cherry-picking through games to find the perfect match. It is not about getting three scum games and pointing to Exhibit A in Unique Instance #42; scum love to do that, when that is not effective, Town-rooted meta work; a player's meta is a fluid thing, and scum and Town 'behaviors' will migrate back and forth. It is about patterns, trends and

motivations

. Talking with GreyICE, in and out of game, will show that when he is truly trying to puzzle something out (i.e. scumhunting), he analyzes things thoughtfully. He analyzes players, behaviors and, most importantly,

motivations

. He is not doing that here in regards to ICEninja (and, on a slightly lesser level, curiouskarmadog). These lynches are incredibly easy, and Grey is throwing a tantrum and a bitchy fit every time he replies to one of their posts instead of truly looking at how likely their posts are to come from an alignment or another.

He is arguing to win an argument

. This is not Town GreyICE.

[...]

We will reserve discussion on other players for later times, as they are not relevant at present.

This post shows both that I am not done with Syryana/UT/etc. and that I am in no particular hurry to do so before we deal with Parama. Albeit less so than GreyICE, Parama is slippery and will hold onto other wagons if we give him the chance to do so and not get lynched himself. So he's a priority (as well as getting me outside the house quickly wheee more posts less doing what I should be doing >.>), and when I have more time and it becomes less of a distraction for everyone involved, we'll deal with the others.

[Tierce]

I'm willing for this wagon to go through just because it's obvious the scum want me dead.
And I have no clue why anyone thinks I'm scum, Tierce's entire read is meta (read: trash) and Syr's entire post is literally "Molla is faking Jester and Parama is scum with Molla" without reading into my alignment at all. Syr is incredibly dead when I flip town though so.
Though Tierce is doing a blatant vote townie fos scumbuddy when she has a legit case on Syr and just meta on me, so I have my doubts about her being town too.
Anyways have fun guys~

!vote: Parama

Oh, by all means, do go on. Be entertaining~

Meta is definitely not trash, not when it is a pattern of what you usually do. You are doing nothing to reject my points about you, and the fact that the two posts I brought to attention are scummy and tend to come from a scum-Parama mindset. Just ignoring those points won't make them go away, and you know that self-voting is bad and anti-Town. I don't buy that you are doing that as Town when you could be actually putting in real content; it's not like you are short of stuff to go through from Syryana's latest posts, but you chose to roll over and point vague fingers at Syryana/shos/Rufflig/me when you were at... L-3? L-2 with your self-vote. I don't buy that whiny AtE when you claim you have so many juicy scum targets.

[Tierce]

The game I linked to was a joke/taunt; I have fond memories of it. I have played with you and read other games since, and discussed your meta with others prior to this game (Empire being the main one). Why is this the core of your focus and why aren't you addressing my actual points?

[Tierce]

Nah. Look deeper.

[Tierce]

Phonepost.

I'm fairly sure I'm cool enough to get you lynched without a full-blown case, Parama, and I have no interest in mincing small words with you. But talk to me tomorrow and I might indulge since I have nothing to do at night. Out in #VEGAS tonight so etc.

serrapaladin: Reasoning for those reads, please. Including that Rufflig one.

[Tierce]

I don't know what to do, I feel like kid who is watching while his parents argue

Shape it up. What do you think of Parama?

[Tierce]

Hey Parama. I have fresh meta on you! ^__^

(Oh no, oh no, she's using meta, meta is "trash".)

With that said, I just woke up, and there is a meal and about three hours before I can dedicate myself to this game.

[Tierce]

Got distracted. Post tonight, pinky promise.

BB, where are

your

posts?

[Tierce]

Haven't had the time (well, mostly the patience) to hash out things in full. Pim--stuff about Syryana et al will have to wait, as I really don't think that's an optimal lynch for Today. (Halfway through this post I was reminded you wanted stuff on serra, so let's see if I still have a brain for it when I'm done, otherwise later... today. My sleep schedule is nonexistent.)

On Parama: that self-vote really doesn't benefit him or anyone if he's Town. Self-votes are always things that benefit scum. They stall the game out, make people wary, make people step back and freeze in indecision. What has Parama done with that self-vote that benefits Town? Has he analyzed his wagon and the reactions to his self-vote, and tried to scumhunt through it? No. The only thing the self-vote did was instill doubt in the rest of the players. It's scum motivation, not Town intent.

Look at the post rate, look at how it has been decreasing over D2. It's apathy, and apathy kills Towns. He just needs to wait for the focus to fall on someone else. I didn't let that happen with Grey in Dresdenafia, I'm not about to let it happen here.

A quick aside on the Jester issue: Frankly, I don't give a rat's arse if he's actually a Jester. (He's not.) Jesters are roles that punish Town for doing what they are supposed to do: find scum and lynch them. I will lynch every singly claimed or faked Jester outside an Open Jester setup. If the game actually has one, I'll be happy to get out of such a game. Worst Role Mafia was bad enough in terms of bastardry, and I replaced in knowing this could be unbalanced, but it's the kind of thing that I'll just deal with through lynching and

Justice

. tl;dr: Don't give a damn about Jester claims/soft-claims/any such crap, just lynch it.

Now--Parama has no issues with people using meta, as long as it is actually a decent analysis. In this game, he called my read on him "trash" because it was partially based on meta. The implication is that he's more interested in discrediting the read altogether than in dismantling it. He knows his play is 'uneven', but calling out meta as "trash" doesn't make sense for someone who is aware well-sourced meta reads exist and nail scum/Town.

As Town, Parama cares about the wrong person not getting lynched. However, in this game, he is voting himself with no regard for the consequences other than "lel there is scum in my wagon".

Compare the previous links (Town) to Parama's play here. While, in Rarefaction II, he was calling himself lazy and saying he was bored, there is a distinct sense of scumhunting that vanishes very quickly from Micro 73. As scum, Parama gets genuinely

bored

. (Don't I know the feeling...) He doesn't have anything to do other than fool the Town, and he gets apathetic and resorts to trolling with the occasional :eeeeeffort oh christ this is HARD: post.

Look at this Town game, too. Look at that effort post on #83; it has actual analysis, especially on that bit to TML about thezmon. Contrast with #109 and #252 in this game, and the lack of scumhunting in his ISO in favor of pointless trolling.


I actually tried this ISO for kicks without looking at the flips and misread him. >.> Uhm. Got a correct if trembling read on this one. By the way, the moment he did this, I was reminded of Reck in the aforementioned Destiny Mafia and got the right scumread~


...I am starting to derail a lot in this analysis, and I think it's due to the hour. We don't have a deadline, and I might as well make sure I get things right tomorrow. I'll use the evening to test my meta read on him further (because hey, that's not

such a bad plan

^.^;) and see what final conclusions I come up with. I also see that complaint that I haven't explained why his posts are bad (i.e. scummy), so have to do that too.

Spare me the work and hammer? That'd be a kindness.


---


shos's posts above me don't have a lot of scumhunting, but I think it's more that he doesn't know how to properly scumhunt than something coming from a scum PoV. For now, I have a few things to say to the god of Death, and one of them is "bed".

[Tierce]

thus pinning down their play to being the same every game is a fallacy

I am not doing so. This does not mean there aren't patterns and trends of behavior and motivation to look for in your play.

[Tierce]

Well, you're confirmed scum, Syr is confirmed scum, and Tierce is probably scum.

Aaaand if you're Town you're confirmed blacklist for that self-vote, so etc.

[Tierce]

Hey Syryana.

Why is it that you have such a poor relationship with twilight here?

As in, nonexistent while you are posting elsewhere?

[Tierce]

>makes massive post
>is ignored

Fortunately you're the jester, and I'm the vig who's going to shoot you.

...mod, can I have a vig?

I approve of shos being the one to call me scum btw, apparently "votes of Varsoon" and "lynch Parama for voting Varsoon" are not contradictions

You wouldn't make this post as a vig, Parama. It's okay, I won't blacklist you if you're scum. (>")>

And I just found that while checking that Syryana didn't post here in the previous twilight either, even though he was clearly online.

Why are you so averse to twilight posting?

[Tierce]

I'm not beating around the bush. The lack of posting during twilight

is

my point.

Can you give me a sample of Town games in which you were absent during twilight while posting elsewhere?

[Tierce]

I'm not beating around the bush. The lack of posting during twilight

is

my point.

Can you give me a sample of Town games in which you were absent during twilight while posting elsewhere?

Town:

In Zachyard you were posting elsewhere after the Nacho hammer, though less often than you have been doing in this game. On #677, you are explicitly (and knowingly) posting in twilight after the Fourtrouble hammer.

Newbie 1341, posting after the D1 hammer. (No appreciable twilight length on other Days.)

Open 483, you hammered on D1 and didn't post anywhere else, saying you were going to bed.

Open 486, posting in-thread post-hammer.


Scum:

Open 481, posting only elsewhere after the D1 hammer--though with the short twilight is understandable. On D2, however, you were posting elsewhere after another player was hammered, but not in that game. Your brief (in-thread, no posts outside it) post on twilight D3 isn't really appreciable.

In The Tenements you weren't around after the D1 or D2 hammers, D3 was a very short twilight during which you didn't post anywhere, and D4 was a quickhammer by you.


The data isn't conclusive one way or another, but Syryana doesn't have an issue participating in the thread post-hammer when Town. That's what I was checking, Voided; I know some people just don't like to. But outside that playstyle-tell, it's usually a scum tell, because it's an awkward moment. The fact that it took calling Syryana out by name to get him to the thread over a natural post post-hammer, and that he had plenty of chance to do so Yesterday and Today), is a scummy pattern on a player who has no issues posting as Town in the same circumstances.

I wouldn't lynch just on this, but it's part of the overall image, especially if Parama flips scum.

[Tierce]

The point about apathy is the worst from all. We had a situation in which a player was barely posting and something came up which was heavily attacked by him. That 'something' was Shos claim (I know you're implying something else, but this counts as well). And guess what. It wasn't Parama who took advantage out of it. It was one of your town-reads: Untrod.

To be honest, I think UT is a dreadful player, period. If you want to lynch him Tomorrow, go right ahead. I won't take part in it, but I'm certainly not going to spend effort fighting the lynch of someone who is doing nothing to help the Town. I'd rather he got replaced (get Regfan!), but no one seems interested in the replacement mechanic. I don't want UT, in that slot, near LyLo, because he's an apathetic bag of nothing regardless of alignment, so *shrug*. Engage :justice: lynch mode if that's what you want to do.

And about apathy, I just got out of modding a game with Parama-scum in which both him and his scumbuddy were using apathy to their benefit. Don't tell me he doesn't know how to use it. "Oh, I was lurking to see what reactions I got, guess what, no one thinks I'm really scum, let's go back to lurking now while doing nothing about it, nevermind that I have a confirmable, cool role that can help win this game! Let's self-vote wheeee!" Do you see how that train of thought makes no sense as Town? How on Earth would Parama-vig be bored with a game? You get to make people shut up (and hopefully flip scum), and you get

bored

? No, his claim is a lie, he's about to flip scum.

And yes, self-voting is scummy, but we're not here to discus mafia theory. Apparently I'm here to be rambly

anyway

, but that's a work in progress.

[Tierce]

ahem
since this is what you love so much
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=26594
in this game
I get bored as scum
and replace out of a god-role
as should be evident, my role is not what keeps my interest in the game
and this game has been pretty damn dull
also in Puppy Mafia you're clearly ignoring that I was visibly fighting the apathy
'cause it's dull as hell
screw LLD and her tactics, I like interesting games :V

I'm not even sure why I'm dignifying you with a response at this point

Town roles. Show me evidence of being bored with awesome Town roles and then I'll consider what you're saying.

And no, you weren't visibly fighting the apathy from my PoV at all. :/ It's pointless to discuss it, anyway, and I'm going to have dinner instead of burning more brain cells because KK is probably about to flip you.

[Tierce]

||| MAFIABOT || Untrod_Tripod has requested replacement. Stand by. |||

Best part of that post.

Hammer down.

[Tierce]

darn, the mod posted a votecount. yes, I was already on it. and now, that everyone knows that, does parama's reactions look real to you as a person who was supposedly hammered as town??

my greatest fear was that parama noticed that it was not a real hammer and played my game. so...what is your opinions?

One way or another, they do not. Why did you unvote? Because the way you word this (and the previous post right after the hammer) is rather loaded on the "Parama is scum" side, yet your behavior does not seem to match your state of mind.

[Tierce]

...He was at L-2.

[Tierce]

Rufflig's question was fine, but Voided's justification is not scummy.

Nobody's going to fight that apathy for you, Voided. I'll spare you the inevitable MD discussion about what apathy does to games. Shape it up. Who's scum? Don't tell me you have no scumreads,

realize

you don't have scumreads and go do something about it. I've been where you are and it doesn't win any games for Town.

And I have to get into this game myself in a few hours. Quite thing from what I skimmed: Pim, being bored on Dayplay with a vig role is fine. In the (yet again) aforementioned Destiny Mafia, SpyreX was a vig and he "was done with this Day" or something like that. The point is that a vig would never want to get himself out of the game, which is what self-voting Town is doing (especially not claiming before the hammer). If Parama was truly that bored--we know he's capable of replacing out. He hasn't, he resorted to a gimmick that makes no sense with the role he has.

I mean, come on:

>makes massive post
>is ignored

Fortunately you're the jester, and I'm the vig who's going to shoot you.

...mod, can I have a vig?

I approve of shos being the one to call me scum btw, apparently "votes of Varsoon" and "lynch Parama for voting Varsoon" are not contradictions

I repeat, this is not a vig. Parama makes this kind of fakeclaim all the time, this makes no sense if he were actually a vig.

[Tierce]

Alrighty. We ready to go to night then?

I don't know, BB. Are we? Are you? Because I look at your posts and I can't tell.

[Tierce]

(also, you didn't really read what I said, did you?)

I didn't, and I thought that was obvious. I'm in skim mode for the next few hours.

[Tierce]

I said my only scumread right now is Parama.

That's my point. Go get ye some instead of moping. And yes, yes, I know you know, but you still have to do something about it.

[Tierce]

Alrighty. We ready to go to night then?

I don't know, BB. Are we? Are you? Because I look at your posts and I can't tell.

Well I like your case against Parama and wanted to hammer. But if not then okay.

You're bad at math.

How do you like my case against Parama now if you weren't seeing it before? What is it that you like about it?

[Tierce]

random factoid
shos wagon died almost immediately from a claim that is barely helpful to town and can still possibly be mafia
tell me what's wrong with that picture especially compared to the wagon on me

>voting Syryana
>inventors "barely" helpful to Town
>shos's ability is proven

Alpha Omega is more interesting than this.

[Tierce]

Oof. Tomorrow. Took a larger bite than expected. so this will have to keep a bit longer.

[Tierce]

So I just got out of a very intense game (hey look, more scum meta) and that means that big bite has been dealt with. I'll tackle this tonightish if we don't go into town.

Syryana: can you explain why you are being so lenient toward me in particular? I keep thinking that anyone who saw me in Zachyard would want more than I have been providing in the last few days, and yet you seem just fine with my inactivity. Why is that?

[Tierce]

Tierce: Syr is scum durrr

Thank you for such a valuable contribution! My, I think you are probably Town for that one.

..why am I not asleep yet. Later.

[Tierce]

Tierce: Syr is scum durrr

There is no Town motivation for this. The only thing you are doing here is trying to make Syryana look bad. This is reminiscent of CES's "is the new thing not scumhunting" to N in #YOLOville. I'm trying to understand Syryana's stance toward me, and you cut in with a jab that has no content and does not help to figure out anything, nor do you explain how Syryana's lenience is scummy when there could be plenty of reasons for it, and I am damn sure you haven't bothered to look at the Micro 134 play.

Shut up and die.

[Tierce]

Voided, being obvTown is my shtick and I will fight you for it.

[Tierce]

Voided, being obvTown is my shtick and I will fight you for it.

Wait, I'm ObvTown now? I thought I was middiling-null?

I've been calling you Town. Why else do you think I want more participation from you? Apathy kills Town. I'm fine with apathetic scum.

Rufflig: I'm female.

[Tierce]

^ I'm not reading that.

[Tierce]

^ I'm not reading that.

It's ok. I don't really expect people to read the whole thing just crtl + F their names.

Bugger that. I am not replying to stuff that is clearly not remotely organized and I have better things to do with my time. If you have questions for me make them readable, I'm not going to look them up.

[Tierce]

I've been calling you Town.

Town is not ObvTown. When did I become ObvTown?

It's also not "middling-null". It was the analysis in Post 666 while not voting Parama or Syryana.

[Tierce]

It's also not "middling-null". It was the analysis in Post 666 while not voting Parama or Syryana

Okay, so I guess I can accept getting more of a townread for the analysis, but what does the lack of a vote on Param or Syr have to do with it?

Because scum being/playing at apathy wouldn't have had any trouble just tacking on a vote there. The fact that you didn't shows you are still thinking things through.

And while we are talking about Voided, the whinging I keep hearing about that UT/Oversoul vote is ridiculous. It's a parked vote on a wagon he has no particular interest on--why are there complaints about this but there were no mentions of serrapaladin's lack of vote before he voted Parama, Pim?

[Tierce]

Tierce: ...Wouldn't apathetic scum NOT lay down a vote? I mean, I guess I kinda get what you mean by "thinking things over," but...

You're voteparking UT and standing up to PimHel's remarks on it. I can't quite see how Voidedscum wouldn't want to vote someone else when he has enough 'reason' to.

[Tierce]

You're voteparking UT and standing up to PimHel's remarks on it. I can't quite see how Voidedscum wouldn't want to vote someone else when he has enough 'reason' to.

Well, I have enough of a townread on Syr that even if I took those adjusted reasons for my own it wouldn't be enough to overtake my Parama scumread. (Also, I've been majorly confused as to the VC half the time ...)

!xMafia Votecount

But you could have voted Parama there without difficulty, in a bus or not.


Do you tend to play devil's advocate about yourself as scum? I could check, but I'm lazy and about to go out.

[Tierce]

The less-subtle commentary:
The way you're treating your vote does not strike me as particularly town

You were self-voting earlier. How is Voided's parked vote with an intent to hammer you worse than your self-vote? How is that Oversoul vote scummy, when his pending action is evident?

PEdit: bahahaha no. Voided was already declaring intent to vote you before now.

[Tierce]

!vote Syryana

Why?

[Tierce]

I'm so glad shos won't possibly survive the night

and if he does it should be a quicklynch d2

Raise your hands if you think vig Parama would kill Sharper. Go on. Go read his previous posts, and how his scumread on shos is much stronger than anything he says about Sharper.

Yeah, no. Parama isn't a vig, because Parama-vig and Parama-Town would have shot shos with this breadcrumb. Parama-vig, when claiming, would have explained why he ended up not shooting shos, BECAUSE THIS IS IMMA VIG SHOS CRUMB, and choosing to shoot Sharper over shos is a PRETTY DAMN BIG DECISION and something he would not have forgotten to explain.

Instead he claimed to have shot Sharper and the only thing we have from him on shos is Parama rushing to quicklynch him on D2. Nary a peep about that crumb or why he didn't vig shos.

And yet you're all twiddling your thumbs about Parama, and it just took me idly going through his ISO from my phone before bed to spot this. Why does no one care about getting Parama lynched when a quick check of late D1 and early D2 + N1 actions shows that he does not have a vig behavior? More importantly, why aren't you reading the game and it takes the scatterbrained insomniac to spot this?

That post was clearly setting up a fake vig claim if there had only been a kill last Night. Parama wanted to claim on D2 that poor him, he was roleblocked! Or shos was protected! And then he saw a second flip and promptly forgot his original plan. Sharper is a confirmed death, after all, looks better than claiming a shot that never happened, right? And a real vig won't CC him during the Day, and any scum who might have shot Sharper won't show they know his claim is bullshit, because they can't claim the kill without outing themselves. Perfect plan to survive one more Day after a fake hammer!

Except... he forgot the crumb and how much he had wanted shos dead throughout the twilight of D1. Parama Townvig would never have forgotten that, and would have brought it up Today if for some reason he hadn't shot shos. But all we have from him on shos lately is that omg he is not a useful role guys why isn't he dead can has wagon nao. ez wagon mode engage pls?

You escaped a crumbed guilty on Maf.Puppy, but here you're being hoisted by your own petard. /)U^_^U/) Some people /do/ bother rereading the game.

This is for SafetyDance, Sixty and Sharper. Hammer down.

[Tierce]

See the right side of my sig?

Yeah.


...I kind of feel the end of the previous post needs fist-pumping music, but alas, bed it is instead.

Make Party Mogget happy and send this game into Night.

[Tierce]

"I'm inconsistent in every game! I don't buy this meta thing! But you have to go on extensive meta whenever you make a case on me, nevermind that I never asked for more meta detail in Micro 89 or asked for more meta detail on Syryana here before voting him!"

That demand is bullshit. You're just purposefully adding to my pile of procrastinated meta reads and I don't need it to nail you on something like this. I got you on Destiny Mafia without an extensive meta description, didn't I? I read you correctly in Micro 89, didn't I? I don't talk about meta unless I'm using it to support a case or something reminds me of something else in older games, and there's no Town reason to demand something you don't care about anyway.

What is more, I don't have to convince YOU that you are scum, so I'm not making any sort of pretty case for your benefit. Waste of time and of my quickly fraying patience. "Yes Tierce, very well, you caught me" is never going to happen regardless of your alignment, so stop acting like it is my holy duty to provide you with a meta case on you. You know that demand is crap.

You/your buddy(ies) shot whoever it was that MM protected--he'd be an unlike kill so I'm leaning toward the BG effect.

I absolutely do not buy you having a kill and not shooting shos after your stance on him on that :effort: post. Not when you played D1 and early D2 like you did.


But hey look, you ARE terrible at fakeclaiming because you botched that vig claim, since it does NOT match your actions or attitude in any way.

[Tierce]

Not about to complain~

serrapaladin, Syryana, your current reads.

[Tierce]

No. Want do you want me to do, mope about it?

[Tierce]

No.

What

do you want me to do, mope about it?

[Tierce]

Been over that in another game. Leading a lynch on Town (especially in a game drowning in apathetic people that have to be pushed to do

anything

) isn't new for me.

Getting to add someone to the blacklist, though, that is such a rare

delight

.


I'm still pissed off, but not at

me

, and ranting about Parama won't get scum lynched. (But hey, if they keep dropping dead at Night, etc.)

[Tierce]

Wrong vote format.

Xylbot Role PMs list

[Tierce]

That does not answer Voided's question. Why are you voting Syryana?

[Tierce]

...I'm calm?

Actually reading through stuff will happen later. I need answers to those questions and I need a fresh head.

[Tierce]

It's Mogget's party hat. Srs :PARTY: cat means srs bsns.

Me being agitated tends to have a lot of BBcode abuse for emphasis. It was a legitimate question. Chill.

[Tierce]

...So much for that attempt at disabling BBcode. Feh. Bed.

[Tierce]

Syryana: we're not lynching Oversoul Today.

[Tierce]

I haven't gone through serra (or really anything else, I'm playing Alpha Omega at present) yet, but you just have to glance at Oversoul's posts Today to see why not.

[Tierce]

I glanced at his posts. I saw: he apparently doesn't understand what a mafia-ally is, he's never played xylbot before, two failed attempts to vote me, reasons to vote me that I'll deal with shortly, and treating Tierce with kid gloves.

You missed the relevant part.

[Tierce]

Oh for fuck's sake.

I basically joined to get a wacky role and well.. Ya... :/

This is a vanilla claim. The kind of premature claim that is only made by derp Town. He wasn't under pressure, he wasn't being pushed, it was not trying to prematurely claim VT at L-4.

Admittedly, I've seen Town PRs (LOOKING AT YOU, WHISKERS) who stupidly make this kind of post when they are

not

vanilla, but I've never seen scum pull them like this.

And Oversoul, who loves to gambit PRs he doesn't have? No way he'd make this if he thought there was a chance he could fake a PR as scum, but I

hope

that by now he has learned that stupid gambits as Town do more ill than good (LOOKING AT YOU, OVERSOUL).

[Tierce]

Yo Tierce, why point out OS' softclaim?

Because I'm not willing to go through a repeat of Yesterday defending a slot and a player and fighting uphill for it. Get it out of the way and be done with it.

[Tierce]

I'm heading out the door, so this will be quick and I'm not checking other stuff.

shos:

Alpha Omega is an RPG, I was in the middle of an online gaming session.

I didn't get the impression that you "hinted many times" at having targeted Voided, and even if you did, I'm not surprised that he wouldn't have gotten it. I've played an inventor, and one of my targets was completely clueless, nevermind that I signaled to them come the next Day and was eventually forced to claim. And I've already explained why he is obvTown to me, and this read was reinforced by the final argument against Parama. Voided was not voting "a random guy", he just didn't move his vote from the previous wagon, and it was as good there as 'not voting', because the wagon wasn't moving. (And I wasn't talking about Parama's self-vote, I was asking Pim why he hadn't mentioned serrapaladin's lack of vote until he voted Parama, but mentioned Voided's parked vote the moment serra changed his vote elsewhere.) It's a parked vote on a dead wagon while considering a hammer on another wagon. I've seen Town do it time and time again, and it wasn't like he

wanted

the Oversoul wagon to grow, so it wasn't an opportunistic vote on one-of-two Town wagons. Oversoul wasn't the main counterwagon, that wagon was completely dead.

I wrote Post 722 while ISOing Parama before sleep, I think I said that at the time. I was trying to see if the claim matched up, don't remember the exact context other than "insomnia, want to do

something

".

[Tierce]

Tierce, link me to that inventor game of yours. you're defending voided far too many times in my memory of this game (and you're in it for only a short while..) and regardless I'd like to see it. putting myself in his position, if he's town then you go through a night doing whatever you can do or not and RECIEVING AN ABILITY, say, the mod gives you 1-shot track. well someone must've done that, right? now, if someone specifically asks me like 3-4 times if I know what he's talking about and that he should be confirmed to me then MAKE THE FUCKING 1+1. srsly wut

The game is Catch-22, and it's linked on my wiki.

Being oblivious does not make him scum. If anything--look, imagine Voidedscum and shosTown. Voided knows that someone Town gave him an ability. This person is signaling to him. If he DOES notice that, does Voidedscum push for this person's claim? No, because the person might not be lynched and might even get protected at night. Voidedscum who realized you were a Town inventor would shut up, lynch someone else and kill you at night. Problem solved, no more Inventor.

You can't really say that being oblivious is scummy. Voided is clearly not with his head in the game.


And I have just learned that it is still legal to lynch horse thieves in Nevada, apparently. Much better than the word "scum".

[Tierce]

And I have just learned that it is still legal to lynch horse thieves in Nevada, apparently. Much better than the word "scum".

Wait, what does this have to do with the game?

Nothing. Brief backstory: The husband told me that factoid as I was typing that post on my phone. Lynching, mafia games, scum/horse thieves--the line wrote itself.

[Tierce]

shos: being oblivious is not scummy. He could have reacted in a different manner of ways, yes, but what Voided did (or didn't, in this case) is still not scummy. Behavior is not motivation.

I haven't been able to give this a proper look on a computer screen in a while. More later when I can go through quote walls (ugh) at my leisure.

[Tierce]

Quick question that occurred to me while dozing off: shos, you claim to be an inventor. I know you are busy, but how come you only appear to have read the end of D2 for the first time after D3 has started? There are many reactions in that post that indicate it being a first read-through, but that does not make any sense with your claim, as if you are an inventor, it would be beneficial to read up during Night to see who to target N2. Can you explain why you didn't do so?

[Tierce]

||| MAFIABOT || serrapaladin - 1 (Syryana) |||

Oi.

[Tierce]

Why did you lie, Syryana?

[Tierce]

Well that explains it.

[Tierce]

...Is there some epidemic of idiocy here? WTF, Voided. It was an hypothetical, shos isn't saying you lied.

Still haven't gone through the game in-depth, but I think I can work from PoE from my Townreads.

Of note that PimHel would not have expected to die, which makes me wonder about why he voteblocked Syryana. I need to be awake to go through that, my brain feels like sludge.

[Tierce]

Tierce, I still think Pim would have targeted a townread of his, as even if he had survived, it would have been pretty unlikely for the vote-block to have been associated with him. I also think his townread was entirely wrong.

I imagine so, but the bit about it being a gambit would be entirely different if he had lived.

My main hold-up with Syryana at present is his activity. He feels desinterested, and I know that he prefers playing scum. This is not a point of the game where I could picture him not bothering with the game if he were scum, even with PimHel's death. But I still want to go through my previous stuff and read things more thoroughly.

[Tierce]

I imagine so, but the bit about it being a gambit would be entirely different if he had lived.

I don't follow you. Under what circumstances would you feel that this could be a gambit?

Voteblockers can be Town. PimHel was subtly defending Syryana without ever really expressing a read on him. I don't think he knew his buddies (there is no specification of difference in a Saulus role i.e. "unlike other mafia-allies, you don't know your buddies", so Saulus, a mafia-ally, does not know its buddies), but if Pim had lived, during massclaim, he could explain a voteblock on Syryana-perceived-buddy by saying he was aiming for scum. It would raise the question of why he didn't target his public scumreads, but it would be a viable gambit.

I don't think that's what happened; I don't think Pim planned to claim voteblocker. But it's a possibility that I'm not entirely discounting; Pim's play seems cunning enough for that and his treatment of Syryana fits with a traitor-like role protecting his perceived scumbuddy.

[Tierce]

I think my brain fried halfway through that. There's probably a logic jump somewhere and I'm too scattered to spot it.

[Tierce]

/crutch

Rufflig, who's scum?

[Tierce]

...Is there some epidemic of idiocy here? WTF, Voided. It was an hypothetical, shos isn't saying you lied.

Then why is he saying for people to vote me, then?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Tierce]

This is like watching Thor and Zdenek in ADwD. Imagine my delight for being in such a ridiculous situation again.

shos, for the last time. Obliviousness is not a scumtell and there's no indication that Voided was faking it. Voidedscum would have a lot of benefit from acknowledging it and then killing you silently. He didn't, therefore the obliviousness is genuine.

[Tierce]

Rufflig, who's scum?

SerraPaladin

Why aren't you voting?

[Tierce]

Why you're not voting your scumread is a bit more important than why he's your scumread.

I disagree, tbh. But what I want from Rufflig in this case isn't justification, it's action. Justification is useless when I still have stuff to pore through from before.

Busy tonight, so will get to that asap.

[Tierce]

I haven't even touched Tenements yet, Syryana. (And that goes as well for serra's insistence that I haven't 'yet' provided 'a real line of argument' for the possibility of Syryana not being scum.) Also goes for game dynamics, etc., etc. Why do you think I'm not voting? I still have to weave something coherent from this game and it won't be tonight. I did, however, get ice cream tonight, so the world's a better place~

Yes, Rufflig is my top Townread.

[Tierce]

In The Tenements you weren't around after the D1 or D2 hammers, D3 was a very short twilight during which you didn't post anywhere, and D4 was a quickhammer by you.

The hell? You at the least skimmed Tenements. Now you're saying you haven't touched it?

I mean the prods thing. I was just looking for Twilight posts when I was looking through it before, and didn't read the game or went through full Days/mod ISO to spot prods and activity.

[Tierce]

The meta point about Tenements was in response to Tierce's assertion that Syry is too disengaged to be scum. I wouldn't classify someone who gets 3 prods (and has a pretty low postcount for surviving to endgame) in his most recent scum-game as very engaged as scum. Extensive metaing is obviously part of Tierce's play style, and I'm wondering whether she might have intended to defend Syry now that he might actually get lynched by using incomplete/incorrect meta under the assumption that no one would check (not a huge stretch given this town). Call it simplistic if you will, but activity isn't a particularly nuanced matter, and Tierce's statement was demonstrably incorrect.

Syryana has stated he prefers playing as scum. This is a fact, I'm not making it up. People will be more engaged as the alignments they prefer, as a general rule. There are a multitude of other factors that come into it. Syryana was being disengaged here, and yes, that is enough to give me pause, and I'm not going to ignore that feeling. Pointing to a scumgame and saying "but there were three prods here!" is hardly a complex explanation of

why

Syryana didn't post there, and as I've said,

I haven't been checking stuff thoroughly

, so how do you expect me to have all this data?

You're calling me buddies with Syryana on this 'incorrect' thing because... I am defending my buddy through faulty meta in

hopes no one will check it?

I... my brain. I'm bad as scum, but you're saying I'd leave such a glaring hole on my defense

deliberately

? Sorry to bust your bubble, but, huh,

no

.

[Tierce]

And there goes my edit being ruined by a new page.

"There

is

a multitude of other factors"

English is a silly language.

[Tierce]

Tierce needs to do a lot of things, including moving objects from {floorspace} to {bookshelfspace}.

Still

haven't got to this (and of course the pile gets bigger every time whee procrastination). Will look over both serra and Syryana today.

Syryana--when did you get a Townread on me?

[Tierce]

It's the second time you mention someone sucking up to me/treating me with kid gloves; first Oversoul, then serrapaladin. You're calling people out on buddying me. Now you ask for my vote. Why

me

, if I'm not a Townread? Why the specific separation from Oversoul and BBmolla?

And because you had a photo of a puppy. That was the most important bit. u^.^u

[Tierce]

...Jesus.

I counted nine alive, and only saw six votes, and assumed BB and Oversoul were not voting with me even though they were on the voting-you list and I knew you don't have a vote.

I need coffee, badly.

[Tierce]

Wow, Syry is keen to get me lynched. I've never seen town-Syry like this...

Do you want fries with that mudslinging?

What's wrong with wanting you lynched if he thinks you're scum? You didn't have an issue with me going after Parama (he flipped Town--why didn't you go after me then?) or after Syryana, but now it's scummy of Syryana to want your lynch?

[Tierce]

"Suddenly so aggressively sure of a scumread"? He was just as fierce with Parama, and you didn't have an issue then. The posts that followed 478 were pushing for Parama's lynch. That was blatant mudslinging; Syryana

is

an aggressive player when he has his head in the game, and pinning it to him being "the only other viable lynch" is crap reasoning.

#YOVO

!vote serrapaladin

[Tierce]

Thanks for that motivational push.

Scummy stuff Syr has done:

1. Considering the game mountainous when people were talking about roles.
   
2. Random OMGUS vote of Rufflig.
   
3. Wanting to lynch Para while he was afk.
   
4. Pointing suspicion at me for defending him, when I was attacking Rufflig's post.
   
5. Backpedaling on that attack, calling it a reaction test, and voting Voided for allegedly ruining the reaction test. His VM vote was just a cheap attempt to sell the idea that he was actually reaction testing.
   
6. Voting UT for lack of content (which is not necessarily alignment indicative) and being on the Varsoon wagon (which Syr was, too).
   
7. Not posting in pseudo-twilight when Para was fakehammered.
   
8. His entire case on me relies on me asking questions that haven't led to me finding scum, when he hasn't been doing any better. He literally only quotes a few of my posts, without any indication of why they're bad...

1. Not scummy. How does this help him as scum?
   
2. Why do you think it's scummy to make an OMGUSy vote in those conditions?
   
3. It was a joke. And it wouldn't be the first time I've seen scum lynched while on V/LA, so it's not like his absence indicated alignment.
   
4. See below.
   
5. Please develop these two points. You're just looking at behaviors; what's the scum motivation behind it?
   
6. That's fine, but hypocrisy is not inherently scummy, it's a sign of lack of self-awareness which is often irrelevant re: alignment.
   
7. Possible, but not entirely alignment indicative for Syryana.
   
8. Hypocrisy is
   stupid
   , it's not scummy. And if you
   are
   asking pointless questions, yes, that is a scumtell. See above-mentioned mudslinging. Questions that are just intended to paint others in a negative light are not scumhunting, they are scumtools.

I want 4 and 5 developed. The rest of your case on Syryana is bad and just looks at behaviors that are not helpful to Town, but are not scummy by nature.

[Tierce]

Need to go through 886 and 898 still.

[Tierce]

You like meta right, Tierce? Try this and tell me more about how this is town-Syry...

I prefer extraordinarily eccentric. How are you comparing a game in which he died N1 and had no real information to go on + was a cop (therefore could expect to work mostly from his Night results and could have a tamer Dayplay) to a game that is in D3? Why don't

you

tell me why it's scum behavior? I don't have to do your research for you, you were the one bringing up this apparent discrepancy in behavior.

He wants you lynched because he believes you are scum. He doesn't have a vote, so he needs further incentive for others to vote you. This makes perfect sense regardless of alignment, and it is not scummy of him to want you lynched over him.

[Tierce]

My pleasure~

V/LA over Memorial Weekend.

[Tierce]

Back from V/LA, catch up later tonight.

[Tierce]

Still won't be tonight. Tackling this tomorrow, pinky promise.

[Tierce]

Let me see if I got the events straight.

shos, a claimed Inventor, sent an ability to Voidedmafia Night 1;
Voidedmafia did not use this ability;
The Rufflig confirmed himself as Town via Friendly Neighbor to Voidedmafia on D2 (and Voidedmafia supposedly thought his Inventor-given ability had gone off, only figuring it actually hadn't on D3);
The Rufflig confirmed himself as Town via Friendly Neighbor to BBmolla on D3;
serrapaladin claimed Alien Survivor, and supposedly abducted PimHel N1 and Voidedmafia N2.

serrapaladin's claim makes sense with the chain of claimed actions. We can't lynch him if we are in a MyLo/LyLo Day, and there's no way of knowing whether this is true, so :hitoshrug:. I'm fine with massclaiming.

The Rufflig is Town.
Oversoul is Town.
shos is probTown.
Voidedmafia is still probTown but I hate you for making me wade through a sea of idiocy on these last few pages. You make PARTY Mogget a sad kitty. Do not taunt happy fun kitty.


VOTE: BBmolla

[Tierce]

It was popcorned to you, Voided.

[Tierce]

Syryana offered me a puppy.
BB voted me.
Obvious choice~

A BB wagon is more interesting than a Syryana wagon.

[Tierce]

unless scum-Syr is mafia and expecting his sibling to claim right after him

So... your tentative Townpoints amount to nothing. Why make the second paragraph of post 1085 if you're the sibling? What's the point in wondering about the sibling-ness, if you already have that info?

PEdit: Not during massclaim.

[Tierce]

Actually, no. Outright not giving you anything more "tangible". That'd defeat the point.

[Tierce]

One-shot cop. Mac investigated The Rufflig N1.

Popcorn shos.

[Tierce]

It may look convenient, but Mac couldn't guess Rufflig was a Friendly Neighbor.

BB already claimed VT. I forgot your N2 target.

Oversoul's the last one, just checking it.

[Tierce]

!xmafia vote BBmolla

That'd help.

BB, you managed to disappear from the game even more than before since I replaced in. Yay Tierce, you're what this game needed, and then... crickets. I don't care if you're lazy, I've seen you be lazy as scum as well and I've ended up replacing in a scum slot of yours for my trouble in reading your laziness as Town. Pull the other one.

It's probably BBmolla/Syryana/possibly one of shos/Voided. Have to look at interactions tomorrow.


PEdit: Can you do me a favor and look at roles that evolve/mutate? Not at home.

[Tierce]

How does one mix up a psych ability with receiving a player's alignment??? I don't understand Voidedmafia.

I guess it is possible...? It is incredibly derpy, but... Reading any such message as "[you can't use your ability because] The Rufflig is Town aligned" is a blunder, but it's not scummy. What would scum-Voided have to gain from saying he did such a stupefying mistake? It's null, because sadly idiocy is not bound to any one alignment.

Do you think he's faking it? It's possible, but what did he have to gain from faking such a far-fetched and nonsensical mistake, if he did receive the psych ability?

[Tierce]

It's not personal. Goodness knows I've had my time with the idiot ball in games. It was a silly assumption for you to make, but that doesn't make it a scummy assumption.

[Tierce]

Oh, his reasoning in 1112 makes more sense than mine. Still silly, because actions are not automatic, but doesn't look bad. Let me check something...

[Tierce]

Yeah, I'm fine with Voided. Regardless of his alignment, from Rufflig's Friendly Neighbor action Voided knew Rufflig was Town, but that whole back and forth and frustration at Rufflig reads much more like a Town player who knows his accuser is Town and is frustrated by it than as a scum player trying to discredit his accuser. Look how he never paints Rufflig in a negative light. It looks like genuine Town frustration.

[Tierce]

^ Much love for the Hebrew keyboard slip.

[Tierce]

!vote Syryana

[Tierce]

Join game 1.
Draw scum.
Join game 2.
Draw scum.
Join game 3.
Draw scum.

I hate all the things.

But hey, not complaining about that victory.

Thanks for modding, KK!

[Tierce]

Pim was more Town than anyone (except Rufflig) and was on to us. Town didn't put together his suspicions--it was pretty obvious he

did

believe Oversoul and serrapaladin (and I) were scum. It was mostly that he was the one getting things right and looking Town in the process--most of the other players--scum included--were blundering about instead of being threats.

Sorry, Pim--I didn't consider the possibility of a traitor. Threats die. Well played. You didn't look

too

Town, it's just that most of the other Town players didn't even come close.

Rufflig: I'm female.

I'm fine with releasing the scum QT.

[Tierce]

Still think the lynch on Syr was stupid. I'm not one to talk about stupidity, obviously, but I really can't believe that lynch happened.

Ask shos and BBMolla.

Apparently I'm stupid for claiming and outing that I was voteblocked :/

You're not, but claiming sibling made it auto-win for scum. You couldn't have known.
Parama has no grounds to be criticizing anyone's play in this game, at all, so take that with a grain of salt.