Khan's Wacky Xylbot II Mafia (Mini 1441) (Game Over)

[shos]

Stop making up stuff Parama, that's my job! :angryface:

you serious or what.

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Hi voided - second time's icecream?

[shos]

Oh I forgot VOTE: Syryana

[shos]

!xmafia help bulletproof

||| MAFIABOT || (notice) Sorry, no help is available for that topic.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 68&start=0

how the hell did you find a role not in there that is so common

[shos]

VOTE: voidedmafia

/inb44rdvoteisscum

[shos]

Three people haven't talked yet~ have they seen the thread is open?

[shos]

Never been in a Xylbot game. I am so confus.

!xmafia special

Soo you haven't been in a Xylbot game before and already you know this command, which is what?

[shos]

eh why no preview for the ninja? (yeah I know it's delayed I helped mom in something >__>)

so uh why did you ask that?

[shos]

. Katsuki's attempt to ask for them last game didn't seem to be very fruitful to me.

That. I was scum there, but still it didn't help at all.


pedit: oh another page lol, I'll see

[shos]

!xmafia help Soulshifter

any reason for this?

if no, stop distracting

[shos]

I DONT LIKE THAT YOU DONT LIKE THAT HE DONT LIKE THAT.

you should not treat this as mountainous, rather, it is much more likely that this is heavy with powers. it can also be unbalanced - see last game.

[shos]

!vote Varsoon

Serra brought it to my attention that Varsoon has responded too heavily to the 'accusation' of sorta-lurking.

[shos]

Also about Massclaim - no, not at all. what difference is it from any other setup in which you offer a massclaim D1??

[shos]

Wacky isn't necessarily bastard, I think - it's just swingy and PR heavy. If your role says VT, you're most likely a VT. I don't like Syryana's "treating this as mountainous". Care to elaborate, Syr?

I am treating this as mountainous for the moment, as there are nearly infinite possible setups with infinite possible powers/combinations/whatever. Once more information is known about possible roles (e.g. night actions or mod-confirmed day actions) I will begin to consider various roles and their contributions. However, at this point we have 13 people in a forum. We've no idea what they are, nor have any of them done anything we can verify in terms of PRs. Therefore all I have to go on is analysis of reactions, hence my statement I will treat this as mountainous.

Yes, it is likely this is extremely power heavy, but none of them are relevant as of right now.

Need I say more? Obviously my treatment of this game as mountainous will cease once we actually have some PR or night actions to work with. Read the thread.

That does not matter. treating the game as mountainous is wrong even when you don't know which powers there are. you know that they exist, that's something.
either way - it shouldn't matter because you don't base your play on what you think people have as roles O_o;; or correct me if I'm wrong - do you have a different strategy for a mountainous?

Serra brought it to my attention that Varsoon has responded too heavily to the 'accusation' of sorta-lurking.

This is a pretty good point. I'm keeping my vote on Sharper for the moment though; dude completely ignored my questions from a couple pages ago.

you guys are goint o have to explain the Sharper votes for me.

Also about Massclaim - no, not at all. what difference is it from any other setup in which you offer a massclaim D1??

Balance is determined by Xylbot not by Khan.

Normal balance on the site dictates a lot of VTs.

Balance in this game dictates like 1 or 2 VTs, with one of those probably not a VT.

Wacky =/= balanced. this game could have 10 JoaTs and 3 goons, or, threee 3-man scumteams and 4 VTs.

[shos]

and if the game is balanced then we have just exposed all our PRs to immediate death.

[shos]

@voided 121:

that a good post, I like you. I would like to add that in the first game, the setups were completely useless in figuiring the setup - the flips were not. we had more than one kill a night, and when someone flips 'beta werewolf' you know that there's an alpha one, and with more (other) scums flipped, the setups are really, useless.

@Molla 123: why UT? I don't recall anything from that slot?

@124 varsoon: wow, you realy are scum. you really deserve that vote. that reaction test thingie is not how it's done and it smells fake. the fact that you immediately changed the subject to the smiley just shows that you're lying and trying to divert attention. Then there's the two lines that say absolutely nothing about nothing combined with nothingness and big words - and a bad vote without reasoning.

>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmmUAqE7nQ <<<<

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someone needs to explain to me why people are voting UT and Molla. perhaps I missed something.

[shos]

I'd like to see more votes on Varsoon.

[shos]

What a bad wagon

Seeing this I instantly thought mollascum since this is a really good wagon despite the lolhammer

Yeah I'm vigging Parama

if Parama dies, we should lynch molla
if not, we should lynch parama XD

[shos]

???

molla, because I see absolutely no way in which this is an even slightly not-awesome wagon, so if he is town, then you probably know it and are distancing from it.

and if it wasn't obvious, the 'we should lynch parama' part of my post was joking >__> you know, damned if do damned if don't...it's funny.... >___>

[shos]

that's such a you move

^^^ is true :/

[shos]

I...don't understand why you think I'm scum...


do the rules say if Varsoon can talk after hammer?

[shos]

I did, you basically called me confscum from post 1, accused me of passive lurking for talking to the mod, and questioned the reasons for my vote on the man you hammered. so if you're serious, I have no idea what you're thinking

[shos]

dude wtf man I'm rofling with no reason

I'm going back to the army tomorrow morning so my activity should probably drop to the usual phoneposting, just letting everyone know..

[shos]

Oh well. if you're town then I'm betting that there's multiple scum on the wagon. the problem is that as molla said, that quickhammer was a very parama move, and I can barely read the guy anyway..

[shos]

didn't read page 9, but voided should be able to confirm me.

[shos]

Lol so this page is just me being voted unreasoned? :0

Anyway. Ive seeen parama do stuff like tgat all the time; i always see him as scum and err.
two kills, im assuming no vig cuz theyd shoit parama...so two scumteams or sk.

[shos]

I don't understand why I'm being voted. I have like a dozen votes, don't I? I don't recall anyone saying anything about anything? the summary of my game here is vote varsoon for a good reason. I was the first to do that. then everybody join in and derphammer, and I get the blame for supporting the lynch after it occured?? *wtfface*

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Voided: do you

really

not know why you are supposed to confirm me today?

[shos]

Hmmm,

!

VOTE: Syryana

Why os dat

[shos]

!

VOTE: Syryana

[shos]

!

VOTE: Syryana

+1, gj dear self.

[shos]

ya know what I reread syry and

!unvote

[shos]

Now why would we do that.

Tomoerow ill reread thua hame

[shos]

my reread will probably take place tomorrow, but possibly in 2-3 hours.

[shos]

!xmafia help Soulshifter

any reason for this?

if no, stop distracting

I'm not distracting I'm having fun

Also determining that the list we have is outdated, Soulshifter was previously called Lich.

^^^ first note ingame: bad bbmolla

PimHel's 71 is good.

Syryana is bad

molla's 83 is bad again; should knwo better

serra's 86 is a very good post

syryana's 94 is a tad odd; because he agrees but keeps the vote on sharper for no seemingly good reason.

molla keeps being bad imo

serra keeps being good and varsoon's wagon was totally justified after his reactions. voided's longpost seemed good.

The way that BBBMolla wagon collapsed and turned into an instahammer of Varsoon was waaaay too quick IMO. it all just keeps pointing to molla being scum.

PimHel is good again

I bet that there's at least 2 scum in the varsoon wagon, btw.

I totally wanna lynch molla by now.

!VOTE: BBMOLLA

omgcaps

[shos]

...yeah didn't mean to tab-enter this post...>__> I'm still reading...

anyway, that parama hammer was terribly terrible despite it being you parama; and that post you posted after it was bad as well.

*keeps reading*

[shos]

VArsoon totally deserved that lynch btw

molla keeps needing to die. even for only this - I'm the first to vote varsoon, 5 votes including instahammer are casted while I'm gone, and when I'm happy, he accuses me of scum instead of the hammerer; that really doesn't work, even if it's Parama

voided is good again.

parama is bad again

okay wtf is it with the first posts of page 9?.

anyway, voided not understanding my hints at how I should be confirmed town to him is very very wierd, and if it keeps going that way I'm going to have to wonder wtf

anyone who voted me on page 9: I want you to explain why you voted me.

I don't realize how comes; see, I saw a valid reason to vote very early in the game and voted. then in some way people wagoned and instahammered so quickly that I wasn't even there, and people blame me? there were 6 (at least 5 if parama was superderp indeed) people who at least agreed with the reason to join the wagon to the point where it was L-1 and derphammered; how comes I get the blame for that? responsibility is mine? that's really stupid; I'd understand if yall chose some random guy who hammered, L-1ed, or even L-2ed for a lame reason, but the first vote? that's wierd. The way it seems to me now, Molla and Parama are scum together trying to be too-obv-to-be-true, and they somehow managed to get others to wagon me or something.

so yeah, question should be answered

serra is good

voided still no understand??? seriously??? read me up real good

It's another weak case. He's just been rolling with what other people have said. His vote on Varsoon felt that way. He hasn't even bothered to mention why he is voting for shos -- his only substantial mention of shos was to say that shos had a good point on Varsoon. He's just been voting the popular wagons with a me too attitude without any other contributions towards finding scum.

^^^ is a good post.

anyone noticed how many times in this games molla defends parama?

can anyone tell me why there are so many votes on untrod tripod again??

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I'm shooting for a {BBmolla, Parama, Syry} scumteam for the while.

[shos]

It seems like they're

trying

to be too obvious. I said that.

[shos]

I'm actually pretty sure that I've played with both in a game or more before, and parama always does stuff like that (maybe not that big but still) and never have I seen molla react that way to it.

[shos]

well then what for.? nobody seemed to say anything else.

[shos]

Parama literally said nothing about me in that wall. iirc, that was plainly quoting everything I said and call me confscum from post 0.

[shos]

There are 15 posts of mine prior to that post. read them.
forth quote: see 303
third quote: nope. but even if, that's page 5, I don't NEED a rock solid 10-apages-long case to vote someone -__-
second quote: still, page 5. this game has had almost no content at that time; loads of setup specs. read.
first: do you really want a response to that?

show me one, two posts, by anyone, who *have* been "scumhunting" in the first 5 pages.

[shos]

Why.not?

[shos]

An answer to what.?

I asked why doesnt it make sense.

[shos]

Im.gonna lol at parama.
Ill respond when i hav the time, shoils be around 2-3 hrs from now

[shos]

Aight i got 20 minutes that should do.

So uh, first, why it does make sense: read my reread posts. They arr allindividually and independently scummy imo, and since there is.no specific reason for that not to make sense, it fits.

Next,

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About parama: the main thing against him is obviously the lolhammer. I dony see anq reasn for me to require ur response there.allso, if it matters, i still dont remember all the playerlist. Parama, molla, syr, voided, varsoon, serra. Thats ehat i remember atm. Who died tonight? Lol

Thrres aldo one moer thing: i posted my reasons against you loke, yesterday. Not last week. And molla is the scummiest imo, nit you

[shos]

Yrs, i gey it, it doesnt make sense, sure. Question is WHY.

abd bad ohoneposting, army gives little time

[shos]

I asked:

anyone who voted me on page 9: I want you to explain why you voted me.

And im waiting for answers.

[shos]

@Shos

Also, how do you get Para, Molla and Syry? Leaving disagreements aside, it doesn't make sense as team.

I asked why.

[shos]

FFA VOIDED I ANSWERED THAT ALREADY THER ARE INDEPENDENT ON EACH OTHER

[shos]

Ffs, they.

You btw gave me two reasons to think you are scum by now

[shos]

Are uou for realz?

I hexplained wayyy too much already.
The scumteads are INDEPENDENT. See, by default, if a player is scum and anothee is scum, THAT MAKES THEM A TEAM.

[shos]

Voidedit will help you to reread from post 292

[shos]

That is the point. Ffa i dont get why you all caught on this so hatd. Just pretend i never said anything about syry, kay?

I camt find the quote og ypurs, but anyway, im not using comnections with syry at all. Syry could very well ve an sk or another scumteam. Mollq and parama are mybtheory from.now on aight? Syry is superdipereztraultranull makes you feel better?

[shos]

I retead the entire game you know. So i founf patana-molla, and i found syry in an.unrelated way. I just assumed 3 man scumteam as always.

[shos]

That happened in.precisely one gamr in my carerr

[shos]

Thats the stupidest way to be.lynched. like ever. Do you really thimk.im this stupid?

Parama: all you did was quickhammera townie..

[shos]

Some people reallu need to step.iy up. Read the game and commeny please

[shos]

I forgot to post this - if you guys are going to lyncj me then wait till sunday/monday, ill give some final r

[shos]

Hes waiting for another quickhammer mislynxh

[shos]

Im.in l-1 and still afaik.nobody.has.made any real accusations against me except for "he is scum". I really cant defend this. Since im in l-1 tho, ill claim. Gimme a minute cuz i.dont remember the name

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So im an inventor, i give people powers. I gave one to voided last night whicj is wierd why.he didnt understand me;. I also crumbed on post 1 that o make uo stuff

[shos]

Stop making up stuff Parama, that's my job! :angryface:

[shos]

Why would a scum inventor tarfet townies, lol. Id target myself or my partners.

Anyway i still sont recall any case against me and would like to know why i was voted.

[shos]

Nope, should be molla.

[shos]

Ive lost both.of you. Im on phone, can you quote stuff? Ill have a comp on thursday afyer spending two weeks in the army, and ill be hyperactive till may 21

[shos]

WEEEELLLL
I'm at home but am tired as living hell. I will comment tomorrow probably.

[shos]

Love hou tierce as slways! What is uour read on bbmolla?

[shos]

Holy crap guys don't you love it when tierce goes into a game with you. I'll read eveeeeerryyythjing tomorrow.

[shos]

Kay so I'm startin g my reread from page 13, top.
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302 by voided is terribad. ignores my points and points to the terribly weak accusations of me by parama. I addressed them later and he hasn't responded. Rufflig's post is good, specifically the last sentence.

I might be biased but I find it quite odd that Wind-up was force replaced by the players so easily while he wanted to vote Parama. this suggests windup/tierce town and parama scum again.

PimHel starts a discussion on 308 about how the three people I accused can be together in a scumteam. by itself, it's an ok question and the post is actually good, and he follows up on it in 310 with what seems to be legit despite the fact I disagree with it. I'm getting a good feeling on that slot, and iirc my last wall thought that too

then voided starts again. he keeps pushing for I don't remember how many(I'll probably read it soon) times about the 'trio' scumread of mine, entirely ignoring the fact that when I said why I thought they were scum, syry was completely unrelated to the other couple. not liking voided at all lately.

Parama's 315 is stupid, useless and distracting. usually people don't need to ask for prods, and even if, the fact someone believes you're scum doesn't mean they have the time to see the activity list every hour or two; especially if they're talking to other people as well.

I'm agreeing with me on my next few posts; Parama disregarding me with the 'go home you're drunk' just because my phoneposting sucks is bad too, he creates a way to ignore my posts in a way that looks funny.

@Pimhel 325: is correct, I indeed did not respond about that quote. I will now: I don't understand why it makes that scumteam not possible. but once again, syry is a different read than tha other couple

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so far summary: scums are from scum to less: Parama, voided, molla, syry
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Oh wow @328. so stupid. so useful.

actually take a look at his ISO. entirely useless.

330: "Oh he is scum and I would even tell you why but it's so obvious so I won't "

post 352 is bad again (parama). is it reaely not understandable? is your english like an 8-years old kid's?

post 353 is good and proves that we have at least one person who thinks here. that third paragraph is 150% what I was trying to say for a thousand pages now, and I don't understand how you guys didn't get it.
there is also a correct statement that according to my case parama should be lynched before molla if any; so

!unvote

for now.

posts 357 proves that parama is being a douche. to that response - because I thought he was scum obviously, that's a really stupid question.

Syryana's 376 is bad. If you vote someone for pressure or for info, you don't SAY that. cuz then they'll know that you're not serious with wanting to lynch them. this only shows that syry is still scummy, since it supports a very viable lynch while not really trying to get scum with that lynch.

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thoughts so far:
I want to lynch voided and parama badly. I think that both are scum, and possibly syry and molla are as well. this might actually suggest two scumteams at least... >__>;

gonna take a break and continue later

[shos]

it shoiuld also be noted before I leave that I think rufflig and Pimhel are town members.

[shos]

continuing.

409 is syrscum

414 looks fake as hell. 'oh that was you?' O RLY, it's not like I've hinted something at you for the entire game.

hmm. post 430 has a point. my role is confirmable, so UT's stance does look odd in response to my claim. guess that molla will not be my vote for tday.

wtf is post 432 for

same with 434

see how all these stupid stuff come from the same people

post 439 is good by serra (who is town too btw I forgot to mention earlier) but why scum can't be normal inventors? it's just half broken cuz they'll give themselves abilities, but other than that I can't see why it can't be. it's like something between a goon and a power mafia.

444 vand 446 are stupid. yeah, we get that, stop saying that, just check the damn pm. why the holdup for three posts with hours between them?

Ah Tierce, welcome. good starting post

472 seems genuine. damn you voided.

this means

!Vote Parama

. will also lynch Syry, and IGMEOY: voided, molla.


oh wow, Syry's post is actually really realy good, and molla actually mgiht be jester if parama is somehow town. everything points to a parama lynch

don't know what to think on syry.

damn you tierce with 482 I'm confuzzled

wtf with 495.
Guys, what if Parama is actually a jester? I mean, he was the first to bring up the possibility of Jester, and he quickhammered, and lurked and played idiotically, and now is not fighting anyone and is voting self like a moron...so what if? O_o maybe it's a psychological gambit? nah I'm not deleting my vote

lolwut @512. you refuse to believe molla/para team, and therefore, you think I'm scum with syry? xD wut? and why third party?

kay so in general:
we should lynch parama. if we don't lose, that'll be a huge fountain of information. other scumreads are: Voided, Molla, Syry. syry will be my top suspect if parama flips town; molla if parama flips scum. Voided will in both cases be the second.

[shos]

NOTICE
Parama is at L-1

[shos]

Parama, since you're voting yourself, how bout you unvote or claim?

[shos]

Parama, you should claim.

[shos]

well then I'm calling hammer ahoy.

[shos]

!VOTE: Parama

that was a hammer.

now please parama, if you're town, give us all the info you can. don't be an idiot.

[shos]

^^^ does that look like it has come from a townie?

[shos]

you suck.

I don'ty know if I should believe you or not.

[shos]

darn, the mod posted a votecount. yes, I was already on it. and now, that everyone knows that, does parama's reactions look real to you as a person who was supposedly hammered as town??

my greatest fear was that parama noticed that it was not a real hammer and played my game. so...what is your opinions?

[shos]

also

!unvote

for thwe while

[shos]

unvoted for the sake of argument and to prevent another quickhammer; consider me voting. I just want to hear people's opinions before hammer

[shos]

Oh riteparama was.selfvoting lol ill revote soon fron.comp

[shos]

!vote: Parama

[shos]

I don't see how that's an answer why you didn't hammer Parama

It's exactly what I said? What part of "I didn't realize/forgot Shos was already voting Parama" isn't understood?

That's not the point. You said that Shos could hammer. However, if you wanted to see Parama lynched, you could have voted him yourself. Why didn't you?

rephrasing the question:

you were NOT voting parama. why did you not vote him then? why did you 'allow' someone else to do that?

[shos]

someone hammer parama or let's lynch voided.

[shos]

^^^ yup, wrong format - no vote. but what you said is interesting, lol.

you should read tho, read D1 at least and reactions in D2.

[shos]

^^^ likewise.

I am looking at parama, voided, and syry. molla started making sense as the game progressed it seems, but that's still a half-wit thought, so he's a questionmarkf or the while.

[shos]

I liked Tierce's posts, it shows good intent the way I see it, and even if I don't agree with everything Tierce says, that scumhunting mind looks like town minded to me. Tierce is a good scum player tho, so we should still be wary, but for now it's a safe assumption.
about OS: that vote/hammer thingie, at first I saw it as nonsense, read the game, etc etc. but then he claimed that this was a gambit of some sort, and I think it is perfectly similar to what I did just a moment ago - 'hammer' parama in hopes of getting real after-hammer reactions from everyone (or something alike) while still not hammering and thus gaining loads of info. so I like OS.

[shos]

wtf I was ninja'd by 2 pages and the site wouldn't tell me

reading

[shos]

starting a reread from page 26.

[shos]

well post 642 is the first notable thing, the 'gambit' that failed by OS. I thnk that's a good thing and counts town points for oversoul - that is precisely the gambit that I did a while ago, just different way of performance.. too bad Syr got it too early. that doesn't mean anything about Syr tho

<not commenting on the dead parama>

Tierce 647: what is Alpha Omega? and I targetted PimHel tonight so no further proof yet

Serra 649: why is it unlikely? we had 2 kills N1 one of which Parama claimed to have made and N2 only one kill. the way I see it we're in mylo.

poor pimhel was so townie
OS 653 is good intent but does he do it

shos 655 is so right ^^

@656: I answered about OS, and I think that Tierce's posts since she came in were showing a town minded thought behind them. even if I don't agree with all she says (even most) it seems good and explained. I always tend to read Tierce as town tho so if anyone has anything against here enlighten me and I'll revise.

molla 658 is now answering the question and avoiding it

Tierce 668: explain to me why voided is obvtown for you. specifically, I want you to recollect your thoughts about how he pushed the wagon on me and how he entirely ignored the fact that I gave him an item until I was forced to claim despite the fact I hinted at it many times.

btw, can anyone teach me how to double-ISO?

674 rufflig: good eyes and question.

676 wall by OS:
~about massclaim: that's not tying them to one fakeclaim. that's just making them read the entire list and decide on a plan *now* instead of later. trust me - I was scum last game. that's how it works. it is of no use and we should only massclaim if we think that we'd do that in a normal game. now we're probably in mylo with no flipped scum so -

everyone: thoughts about a massclaim?

~you quoted 211 - my response - I see him doing this all the time, always think he's scum, he rarely was.
~it was Molla who insisted two scumteams, not rufflig. rufflig acknowledged the possibility. edit later: in 720 he explained. RUFFLIG: how do you explain lack of death tonight then?
~what do you think of the fact that 'it did not occur to voided' that the fact taht he LITERALLY recieved an ability at night is what I'm hinting at?

The last few posts in page 28 between voided & parama look HORRIBLE imo. does voided's reactions look like a townie's reactions to you guys? voided - why were you voting OS in the first place? just for the lulz? or is it not in your honor to not be voting?
ah, if only I got to a computer before you guys hammered I'd have actually unvoted parama by the end of this discussion and voted voided. damn you parama

@706 tierce: nobody said that voided's parked vote was worse than Parma's selfvote. it isn't, but it is just as bad. what do you mean what's wrong? sure, you can wait for stuff and not hammer immediately - you should! but why vote on an entirely random guy instead of just unvoting?? especially if that person has 3 votes and is the main counterwagon (even if less discussed). that discussion is stupid and should have given you heads up that parama is town and voided is scum imo.
this

Tierce
What's stopping him from
A: Unvoting if he doesn't want to lynch Oversoul
B: Voting someone else he finds actually scummy while still declaring intent to hammer me

???

Why is it specifically that Voided either votes someone he doesn't appear to see as scummy or hammer someone else?

is right

incrediblol @ 710 by parama
@712 voided: what if you don't make it? OS had 3 votes, not 1. just the way I didn't make it to unvote parama. and if you had no scumreads assuming parama is town, what are your reads NOW after the flips?

trololo @718. shoulda finished reading that

sooo at first I was thinking Tierce's 722 was a really good shot; then I was reminded that one of the N1 deaths were a Human Shield so definitely it is possible that parama DID shoot me and the shield got killed instead, making the post terribly terrible, but then I found

Also, I killed Sharper n1, you can thank me for making it harder for scum to hide~

which shows that the one who flipped VT was the one parama said he shot, so then this makes the post wonderful again and I'd vote parama again after reading that. so frustrating; this makes tierce good again. only problem I have is the timing in which this post came. I mean this was immediately after the collision that made someone unvote parama and might've made others too and possibly even vote voided; and it's not an easy find so I dunno.

Tierce hun, can you explain to me HOW you found that info that you wrote about in 722? I mean what, did you make a reread, decided to examine the nightkill, ISOed parama?

...~~~

oh I'd totally hammer parama after tierce's post and parama's response.

eh parama's 737 is probably bigger contribution to the game than his entire ISO.

!Vote Voidedmafia

for everything lulz



OH wow pimhel was mafia ally

751 OS is a good question. can anyone explain to me what is a mafia-ally? what it means etc?

actually

!xmafia help mafia-ally

!xmafia help ASSUMING the voteblocker had a target last night, if he's dead now, does that target still have no vote today?

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too tired to contnue.
self: continue next time from this post

[shos]

Voided was not voting "a random guy", he just didn't move his vote from the previous wagon, and it was as good there as 'not voting', because the wagon wasn't moving. (And I wasn't talking about Parama's self-vote, I was asking Pim why he hadn't mentioned serrapaladin's lack of vote until he voted Parama, but mentioned Voided's parked vote the moment serra changed his vote elsewhere.) It's a parked vote on a dead wagon while considering a hammer on another wagon. I've seen Town do it time and time again, and it wasn't like he wanted the Oversoul wagon to grow, so it wasn't an opportunistic vote on one-of-two Town wagons. Oversoul wasn't the main counterwagon, that wagon was completely dead.

Considering I was going to be snarky and condescending in my response, most likely, imma just quote this and agree with this.

http://www.explosm.net/comics/1892/


you did state multiple times that but still that argument did not look like tvt, and we have a flip on parama, so.

Tierce, link me to that inventor game of yours. you're defending voided far too many times in my memory of this game (and you're in it for only a short while..) and regardless I'd like to see it. putting myself in his position, if he's town then you go through a night doing whatever you can do or not and RECIEVING AN ABILITY, say, the mod gives you 1-shot track. well someone must've done that, right? now, if someone specifically asks me like 3-4 times if

I know what he's talking about

and that

he should be confirmed to me

then MAKE THE FUCKING 1+1. srsly wut

[shos]

Tierce, link me to that inventor game of yours. you're defending voided far too many times in my memory of this game (and you're in it for only a short while..) and regardless I'd like to see it. putting myself in his position, if he's town then you go through a night doing whatever you can do or not and RECIEVING AN ABILITY, say, the mod gives you 1-shot track. well someone must've done that, right? now, if someone specifically asks me like 3-4 times if I know what he's talking about and that he should be confirmed to me then MAKE THE FUCKING 1+1. srsly wut

The game is Catch-22, and it's linked on my wiki.

Being oblivious does not make him scum. If anything--look, imagine Voidedscum and shosTown. Voided knows that someone Town gave him an ability. This person is signaling to him. If he DOES notice that, does Voidedscum push for this person's claim? No, because the person might not be lynched and might even get protected at night. Voidedscum who realized you were a Town inventor would shut up, lynch someone else and kill you at night. Problem solved, no more Inventor.

that logic is possible, but there are plenty of other ways to think and other intentions behind any deed he could have done/had done. for example, he could entirely deny that he recieved anything from me when I claim. and then it would be really awkward on my end to explain why I was roleblocked/he is lying/he was jailed/redirected etc. it is not a 1v1 since I have no confirmation that he got it. only that the action was recieved by the mod, not even if it was successful. I feared that VERY much when he didn't know what I was talking about.

about people being oblivious - I dunno, being that oblivious is really odd. especially for voided. as town I remember voided as one who posts very much content and good content, who notices details even I don't, it's very much unlike him. and here - it's like he's jumping on this

You can't really say that being oblivious is scummy. Voided is clearly not with his head in the game.

in every way he can.
I mean, come on:

And I have just learned that it is still legal to lynch horse thieves in Nevada, apparently. Much better than the word "scum".

Wait, what does this have to do with the game?

(And yes, I'm aware my head is not fully in this game. I've got a few personal things I'm doing right now that take precedence, and work is hitting a serious full tilt since the end of the fiscal year is May 31st and we want as many books out of the facility as possible by then. )

...I dunno, really. I wonder if I should ask what ability I gave him.

btw where were we with the massclaim thoughts?

In a 3-man scum team:
8 alive need 5 votes to lynch. 8 votes - 3 scum votes - 1 townie who can't vote = 4 votes. Scum lynch impossible. We would be in MYLO. Best course of action would be a no lynch. Tomorrow would be LYLO.

In a 2 man scum team:
8 alive, 5 votes needed to lynch. If PimHel had not been killed, town would not have the required votes to get a lynch today. As it is, we need all remaining townies to lynch a scum unless one of the scum busses his partner.

Either way, I suspect a blocked Syryana means Syryana is town.

Ruff is right in the fact that we should probably nolynch today. evidence is that there is just one scumteam, and their mafia-ally is dead. the fact that they shot him tho proves imo that he doesn't know who they are and they don't know who he is - which means there's no reason to think Syry is town because of the voteblock.

either way we should be waiting for the mod answer - I asked him "help mafiaally'' or something above. which reminds me, I need to read up from the post I told myself to

Hmm, Ruffig probably town for that

not quite necessarily. I do agree he's town tho, lol

[shos]

!xmafia showcommands

*sigh*

[shos]

...and?

Why do you need to know what I got and how I used it to confirm Shos?

Shos says he gave me something. I've confirmed I got it. At the very least we've already confirmed that Shos's roleclaim is true. What else do you need in that regard?

Because if he's a normal Inventor, he's town (as I don't think we can have 2 mafia-allies), but if he's a Malfunctioning Inventor, he can be scum.

I don't care what you got, I care about whether it worked as intended. If he's Malfunctioning, you would still get an ability, but it wouldn't do what it says on the tin.

<missed the quote where voided confirms>
so does that confirm me as town? ^^;

Also, I think voided should claim the info(at least part of it) of that ability; since it's not related to his own role PM, it will not help scum, and it will just give us info.
if anyone objects voided answering this - then tell us:
voided - what ability did I give you?

!xmafia showcommands

||| MAFIABOT || Available commands: attack auth buy checklevel dance drop forceloadmodule gumby help join killghost loadmodule part quit roll set setroll showcommands slap take time unvote up upgrade vote xmafia |||

Note: To save you time. There's no command that will yield you the information you desire.

well that's reassuring >__>;;; just for fun then:

!xmafia buy
!xmafia checklevel
!xmafia dance
!xmafia gumby
!xmafia slap

lol

It would. The role 'Saulus' starts out as a mafia-ally. However, if a 'Saulus' role is lynched then it will revive and become an ally to the town.

<ignored bunch of quotes>
what information are you trying to gather from here? there's no way the mafiaally would know who the scums are; he'd then just signal them and the scumteam will be large enough to murder any town..

[shos]

nope, I really can't. there were around 2 pages that I haven't read when I sent my action tonight. I was very sure of PimHel town for some reason (lol @ murphy) and didn't think it'll matter much. even after reading tho, I think that if I had read those two pages before sending my action, I would have chosen the same.

[shos]

...enough for us to force replace you? or you'll get back into it in a few hours/morning?

[shos]

:sadface:

[shos]

so...vote voided?

[shos]

that does not clear him, that clears me.

[shos]

lol because it's verifiable. if he says I lied and I'm lynched and flip as I said, that means he lied >_>

and yes, I did, on pimhel. did you miss the discussion between tierce and me?

[shos]

...should be, "if he had lied, then I would have flipped town and everyone would know that he had lied and he'd be lynched".

works?

[shos]

I honestly don't believe taht you of all people would be so dumb this game to both not understand the above and not understand my hints D2 and entirely ignore my longposts.

[shos]

oh that is because you are scum mate

[shos]

I've said well and enough why I think you are scum and am not going to start researching for it. you're welcome to reread or ISO me, I'm back to the army tomorrow and I'm busy for the while

[shos]

!vote serra

I like what i see.
I also.add that the attack on me for things syr didnt say adds.

Ill think if voided/serra makes sense as a team..

[shos]

???

Rufflig so townie. Bbmolla, huh?

Im astonished by the stuff serra has fallen with. I approve of the lynch.

[shos]

...game is stuck?

[shos]

Because if you can get the mafia to win with you you will, so the magia will win.

I approve of the lynch. If he flops scum, dunno if thar implicates vpided more. Im losing phone again..

[shos]

Ohhj you used it n1?? Didnt think you could...

Does anyone have a reason for him not yo claim what that power was?

[shos]

Lolwut, voised is lying. Theres no way he got the ability and used it the same night. I sent the action late at night and i highly doubt practically everything he says, and superdiubt that xylbot works that way.

Told yall.

!vote voided

[shos]

^^behold ashe keeps deflecting.

No way night actions are sorted before night is over. What if you got the ability and then i would e roleblocked? Do uou understand where you scumslipped?

[shos]

Voided, claim what action that was and how it was used and results please.

[shos]

Lets just lynch vpided aleardy

[shos]

Wut?

Voided, im.not asking you to claim your role, only what yhe ability was and its resilts.

[shos]

Voided what reason you habe for not sharing the info. It is not ypur role anymore amd it might confirm you or something if youre town.

[shos]

I dont get it.

[shos]

I get it now. So ruff shpuld be protected tonight.

That makes me feel odd abiut voided. Wondering wgat to do..

[shos]

I officially support massclaim now.

[shos]

Tierce, why BB rather than Syry?

[shos]

One-shot cop. Mac investigated The Rufflig N1.

Popcorn shos.

Thats alittle too convenient. Someone go check if mac really had something againsy.ruff.

I already claimed inventor and n1,2 targets, voided and pimhel.

Popcorn to bbmolla

[shos]

Bט PoE, I think Molla, Syry and OS are our primary targets for today. of those, I'm going with

!vote Syryana

[shos]

hahaha lol that should be a By lol x) wonder how that happened.

!xmafia votes

[shos]

wow, that is terribly scum sided. but yeah, town played horribly. I think this might be my worst game ever. I dunno what I was thinking voting Syry now after the claim; I would've voted molla tho instead so it'd be a lost-lost situation. gg tierce, I can never read you as scum; and damn you serra.

[shos]

no, I dunno what I was thinking, seriously, I must've confused the claims or something. would've voted molla.