Khan's Wacky Xylbot II Mafia (Mini 1441) (Game Over)

[PimHel]

!vote BBmolla

Mwahahaha

[PimHel]

Waiting on all the set-up discussion to stop.

Not liking Serra voting 'with reason'.
Untrod should explain why Monkey is omgus-ing according to him and I want to know his opinion on the Sharper - Syryana votes against each other.
And after one day, we're talking about 'not-so-talkative' people ._. Bad ._.

[PimHel]

Now I'm sad that I never learned how to post with someone's avatar

And after one day

, we're talking about 'not-so-talkative' people ._. Bad ._.

Huge difference from what you're implying.

[PimHel]

The first sentence was to you and Shos. Everything else was for Syry[something].
My point is that it's way too quick to mention who's part of the 'not-so-talkative' people.

[PimHel]

No, you didn't. But if you start talking about 'not-so-talkative' people, you should have at least players in mind.
Because it's way too early to talk about things like that. Take me for example. Just after you posted it, I was done with dinner. Before I started posting, I only had 1 post. Why? Because of my sister's birthday, staying over at my boyfriend's and work. People have lives and calling them out after one day of playing is bad.
I want the pre-game over and you, Serra and Untrod caught my interest during it. For me, it's good enough to look at it.

[PimHel]

Post 81 - Varsoon

Pre-game is over? Since when? Barely any suspicions were made (and when done, barely pushed) and after that we went to game discussion. So no, it wasn't done yet.
If you think that one of the active players is scum, you should give us something. Not a possibility, as that's fake.

P.S. an example is not ATE.

There's too much set-up discussion >.<

!Unvote: BBMolla; !Vote Untrod

Better wagon than Molla or Voided. Both aren't scummy to me. Varsoon is just a bit below Untrod.

[PimHel]

EBWOP
@Serra
what are your exact thoughts about Sharper, Varsoon and Syry?

[PimHel]

!Unvote

!Vote Varsoon

I was willing to give you a chance, but those last posts are bad ._.
1. You agree that your vote could be seen as scummy and then you go like 'yeah, but, I actually did it for that reason' as you try to get him off of you. Then you slightly hint at something you find scummy with a question, which doesn't sit well with me.
2. You appologise, but no unvote.
3. Reaching as I have made suspicions, etc.

@Serra
I had a bad vibe about UT due to him attacking Monkey. I want to look at him more.

[PimHel]

/back
either today or tomorrow I hope to be up to date.

[PimHel]

First off, Syry needs to explain what's bad about Parama insisting that he thinks Shos is scum.

And Rufflig needs to explain why Syry over Untrod.

!Vote Untrod

[PimHel]

That's what I get for posting sleepy :S
@Syry
Why not go for the player with more votes when you think both are scummy?

[PimHel]

Why?

The BP thing I'm happy to ignore, but aside from that I've made similar points against Para. Rather than just insisting shos is scum, I dislike how Para refuses to explain why shos is scum.

Only reason I'm not voting Para is because people are insisting he does that as town.

Didn't he mention that in his big post after his hammer?

@Syry
You could also vote Untrod?

[PimHel]

Huh, fairly new town seeing non-standard RVS as scummy is quite common though.

Parama's massive wall basically has shos scum for allegedly taking stuff too literal, calling out lurkers, not scumhunting and voting Varsoon. The first two points are non-tells, the third is less true than for many others (like UT) and Varsoon was wagoned to L-1 before he got derp-hammered. The Varsoon wagon was bad in hindsight, but I see worse votes on it than shos' (PimHel/UT).

Actually, I think I'll

!vote Untrod_Tripod

Good vote, but bad post. You only mentioned how bad Parama was after the whole wagon, but dropped it. And now you bring up me and Untrod? Seems like somebody can't succeed with his attack and now needs a new victim.

[PimHel]

Not defending you Syr, just calling PimHel's point bad. Why aren't you pointing out that VM is 'defending' me?

Good luck, BB. I remember that pain :/

What point :S?

And Untrod shows how scummy he really is.
Molla, will you vote too?

[PimHel]

V/LA till probaly tomorrow night

[PimHel]

@Shos
Because Untrod isn't doing anything? And then I mean anything. All he has is snarky comments and sheepy votes. And a very weak 'OMGUS-accusation' against Monkey.
Also, how do you get Para, Molla and Syry? Leaving disagreements aside, it doesn't make sense as team.

@Wind-up
More information regarding Para's wall is appreciated.

P.S. Where is Parama?

[PimHel]

Well how bout for his bulletproof fakeclaim, his derphammer, his insistence that shos is mafia and his equal insistence that BB is town/jester?

Why is his insistence on this bad? Do you find Shos town?

Why do you think he's insisting it?

It feels like a bus. And no.

His reasoning on Molla being a jester is horrifying.

This post shows a good summary why not.

[PimHel]

@Shos
So your response is?

[PimHel]

Aight i got 20 minutes that should do.

So uh, first, why it does make sense: read my reread posts. They arr allindividually and independently scummy imo, and since there is.no specific reason for that not to make sense, it fits.

Next,

So you use Molla defending Parama during the game as reason, but when I show a quote which doesn't make sense to me for your scum team, you don't care? Wow, that's bad.

@Serra
Why Syry?

[PimHel]

So first you only mention Parama for his vote on Varsoon, then after some time you mention me and UT as bad votes and now Syry?
Seriously?

[PimHel]

Yrs, i gey it, it doesnt make sense, sure. Question is WHY.

abd bad ohoneposting, army gives little time

What do you mean :S?

[PimHel]

I have been too lazy to do a read like I promised
This game is so bloody dull

Then can you spice things up?

[PimHel]

Well how bout for his bulletproof fakeclaim, his derphammer, his insistence that shos is mafia and his equal insistence that BB is town/jester?

Why is his insistence on this bad? Do you find Shos town?

Why do you think he's insisting it?

It feels like a bus. And no.

His reasoning on Molla being a jester is horrifying.

This post shows a good summary why not.

[PimHel]

So first you only mention Parama for his vote on Varsoon, then after some time you mention me and UT as bad votes and now Syry?
Seriously?

Para's hammered, your and UT's position are objectively the most worrying, and I find Syr's vote bad in light of his recent voting.

I don't care for the reasons, as mentioned before, I don't like the timing.

@ Shos
As I said before, you use Molla defending Parama as argument. But when I show a quote which doesn't go with a Syry, Molla and Parama scumteam, you dismiss it. If you use connections as arguments, you also need to respond to the quote. I don't like how you're trying to have it both ways.

[PimHel]

And Untrod needs to show up

(Do we have prods or not :S?)

[PimHel]

@Shos
No, I won't forget it as it's something against you. (Talking about the Para, Molla and Syry scum-team discussion)

@Serra
How did Shos slip? I don't see it at all.

Also, UT once again confirmed he's scum. Seriosuly, can we get this over with? We have 6 players who think UT's scum. Yes, I'm looking at you guys, Serra, Molla and Para. Let's do this.

[PimHel]

So Wind-Up and Untrod showed up after Rufflig asked for them to be prodded, yet neither had received them yet. That says enough.

Also, @Parama, why aren't you voting yet?

[PimHel]

So, this just means that we can now focus on Untrod.

[PimHel]

But Untrod is scummy, while molla reads town.

[PimHel]

What changed after you voted Untrod, Serra?

And mote Untrod votes

[PimHel]

...Care to give posthumous reasoning, Syr?

First lynch Untrod.
If scum, attack Serra for his quick change on Untrod or Rufflig for trying to force-replacing Untrod, while Untrod is now at his peak in activity.
If town, which I doubt, Serra is still a good option for faking reads.

So leave Syry alone.

[PimHel]

I don't like pics that take too long. But does it show what happened to Jenny?
Otherwise, I'm not interested.

[PimHel]

Rufflig unvoted

[PimHel]

So what do you think of Untrod?

!xmafia replace wind-up

This I can support

[PimHel]

@Serra
Why don't you think Untrod is scum?

[PimHel]

So I'll look into those walls about Parama later.

I disagree with you, Serra. This smells like scum. The absent-behaviour, but posting when there's an opportunity to strike. This is supported by how he appeared without having gotten a prod, after the request for a prod was made.

Hi, Tierce. [kiss-ass-mode]I was hoping to get a chance to play with you.[/end mode]
Anyway, I want your thoughts about Serra.
Secondly, your opinion on meta.
More will follow after this.

[PimHel]

Nah, I have seen your posts in GD and perhaps in MD and they looked well thought out. I have never seen a game in which you've played. You joined during my mafia break.

And yes, that's what I saw (the YOLO game and you used meta against Syry) which is why I asked you about it. I want a really good answer now, why you only use one game to compare Untrod's play and Syry's play.

[PimHel]

Albeit less so than GreyICE, Parama is slippery and will hold onto other wagons if we give him the chance to do so and not get lynched himself.

I don't like Para's posts after Tierce pointed this out (the self-vote and him pointing out Syry as wagon, but not going for it himself)

However, I want to see Tierce post what she sees as the meta from Parama, Syry and Untrod.
Because I've looked at that YOLO game and Untrod is acting way differently here. And that meta argument against Syry was bad.
Also waiting on her opinion against Serra.

Serra's last post was bad.


Not swayed by the Parama cases from Tierce and Syry. I'm not buying the Para-Molla combi (syry case) and Tierce has shown meta against Parama and she mentioned mudslinging from one of Parama's posts.
The only thing I can see as scummy is the bit above, but Untrod and Serra are much worse.

[PimHel]

It exists as mafia-ally.
Further am I waiting on Serra's real reads. (not based on posts from just the last pages)

[PimHel]

@Serra
You seriously don't know? First of, Molla is a townread and though weaker, so is Voided. Secondly, remember that I called your reads fake?

And Tierce, I'm not impressed at all.
Self-voting is anti-town. It's not scummy and it's not giving townpoints. You trying to point to one thing (it being scummy) is bad. Sure, he hasn't analysed the wagon or whatsoever, but I get a 'not interested' read from Parama due to it.

The point about apathy is the worst from all. We had a situation in which a player was barely posting and something came up which was heavily attacked by him. That 'something' was Shos claim (I know you're implying something else, but this counts as well). And guess what. It wasn't Parama who took advantage out of it. It was one of your town-reads: Untrod.

Also, Parama has something against meta and your link shows that. A player called him a troll due to one game. I can understand why that's annoying. Just look a few posts up. See?

As what I get from your links, I see not-scum-bored Parama and his huge post after his Varsoon-hammer looks like the town-effort post you showed with one of your links.


So Parama, Tierce has shown me that you are town as well. Can we now lynch Untrod?

[PimHel]

She used meta and he posts a reason why he believes meta doesn't work.

So no, don't hammer away, Shos

[PimHel]

@Tierce
I do want that explanation why you don't think Untrod is scummy for his apathy.
Also, I can see why somebody would get bored with a game as vig. Because you can kill the scummy players at night as well.

@Voided
I don't see how that's an answer why you didn't hammer Parama

[PimHel]

That's not the point. You said that Shos could hammer. However, if you wanted to see Parama lynched, you could have voted him yourself. Why didn't you?

[PimHel]

I'm liking Voided less. Especially after he mentioned that he put Untrod the ' lurker' category, yet he's voting him.

@Tierce
The only thing I didn't like about Parama was the self-vote after your meta argument about him. However, what would the vig claim have done for Parama? As shown, players could suspect him as SK. So no, I can see why he self-voted instead of claiming.
P.S. That quote is bad as argument why Parama-vig doesn't make sense.
I might get back to you after you've posted the non-skimmed post.

@Parama
Shos wagon died, because Untrod-scum came in and showed how obv-scum he is.

[PimHel]

It seems my gambit did not work as well as I had hoped.

It's pretty unlikely that there's only one non-town directed kill, plus Para's reaction to the fakehammer looked pretty fake, so Para is a good lynch. I still think he's scum with Syr (or maybe shos), but worst case he's an SK.

!vote Parama

Back to L-1.

Your in-depth reads?

[PimHel]

I'm liking Voided less. Especially after he mentioned that he put Untrod the ' lurker' category, yet he's voting him.

It's unlikely at this point that he'll be wagoned again. What, exactly, is wrong with leaving my vote there while I'm still thinking on things?

Because I'm getting the feeling that you're just out there. And that sets me off.

I'm also interested in Molla's and Sho's responses.

[PimHel]

Voided, being obvTown is my shtick and I will fight you for it.

Wait, you're obv-town?
(Copying Voided to make it the right question)

[PimHel]

@PimHel:

I'm a bit confused about your attitude towards Parama. It seems to me that you didn't really feel that his hammer was scummy. In fact, you went scum hunting on those who felt Parama was scummy (1). It wasn't until Tierce replaced in and made his initial case on Parama that you saw anything scummy about him (2). However, once Tierce made his meta case, you decided that this case proved that Parama was town. However, you really haven't explained this well (I didn't click all the links - was there a particular one that I should have?) (3). Parama looks like he will be lynched today. Therefore, I was wondering why you hadn't really tried to save Parama since becoming convinced of his towniness. You haven't put much effort into explaining why Parama is town or particularly pushed for an alternative wagon (4).

(1) - no? I'm pretty sure my main suspicions at the start of D2 were Untrod and Serra and I'm pretty sure that Parama's main suspicion was Shos. Untrod came later as suspicion for Parama.
(2) - Not quite. The only point was that Tierce mentioned that Parama would try to punch a different lynch and instead he voted himself. It felt off as if he was trying to play against this meta.
(3) - Every link is important? Tierce is probably in the running for meta-queen and so many things she mentioned were wrong.
(4) - I am, though. The problem is that it's very difficult. Tierce only responds to things she wants to respond to, you didn't check the links and Serra is faking his reads. I'm not taking my time to dig through Shos' post as it's huge and unclear and Syry is stubborn.
As for a different wagon, Tierce only responds to things she wants to, but she has more time so she can't hide behind that anymore. Serra still needs to give a detailed post and Oversoul just posted a huge and unclear post. The scummy players are letting this town destroy itself. Yes, Voided is getting scummier, but I have trust in my early town read.

@OS
Can you give detailed reasoning about the players you think are scum?

@Tierce
I'm questioning Serra. Since the start of D2 about his reads. Because they are fake.But other players aren't putting any attention into it, which is how he keeps evading suspicions.

And these last post from Voided show exactly my point. He's active enough to keep following the game, but he's barely scumhunting.

[PimHel]

Well, I 'raged' about you guys as well XD I'm sorry, but if I was town, you (Serra) would have been my toppick for lynch. You are very easy to read. But I liked playing with you (and many others from this game)

P.S. I knew who scum were and did plan to use my voteblock N2 for an easier victory.

P.S.S. Scum never kill me ._.