Micro 157: 3p LyLo -over-

[Maestro]

the QT going to be, like, awesome - that's what

[Maestro]

the QT going to be, like, awesome - that's what

Why's that, Maestro?

you shall see, my young padowan learner, you shall see

[Maestro]

nope, I'm a dick for not waiting for 4nx as it is

bye now!

[Maestro]

Jiffy and I thought you were all Scum, so I

rolled 1d3

did some awesome Scumhunting shiz and got it right just around the same time Jason did

P-Edit: Jason, there's REALLY no need to be butthurt about this, we were both right dude

[Maestro]

lol I was at work gaiz - dav thinks my nickname on IRC is a complete and relevant record of my every activity XD

but yeah, this is going to go nowhere fast - the Fuzzy vote was weird though Jiffy. why do you weird shit?

[Maestro]

Thanks for the scum reaction. Vote is now serious.

I don't think we have to worry about that. In fact, I reckon Maestro won't be quickhammering anything, on account of the fact that

you're

the scum.

Caught scum is caught.

UNVOTE: Fuzzy

Off to go eat and fill in for a co-worker for a few hours. Consider my vote still on Fuzzy.

oh, hai there posts I didn't see - that's what I get for just hitting reply like a BOSS

so why is your vote not on Fuzzy again? it it because he's said nothing about who Scum is?

[Maestro]

Well

lolwut is this AtE I see before me...

shall I vote first or shall you, Majiff?

P-Edit: nah, I can do the honors myself THANKSVERYMUCH

VOTE: fuzzybutternut

pretty DAMN confident in supergutTownread on Majiffy, and the early vote actually looks like something he might pull as some kind of gambit to test me/you for hammer possibilities, that being said I do actually think the above quoted post is REALLY bad AtE from panicky Scum and I'm fine just sitting my vote here and waiting to see if Majiff quickhammers or not, his call really

[Maestro]

welp...he's kindof NOT hammering you sooo...vote stays

and seriously, fuzzy, if you crossvote me now or in the near future, I will laugh so hard

@Majiff: hmmm...well that kindof throws a wrench into my read

but honestly it's a gambit to vote first and it looks like it paid off since you're not hammering so IDGAF, gg

@dav: uh, nope, I wouldn't necessarily have expected it from him regardless of alignment so that's an iffy reasoning on my part, but not totally lossless since I trusted my gut enough and it paid off

@Majiff: except you haven't so I'm stil fine with my vote and it's still gg

@dav: wait wut? so you don't think I'm Scum? so you think Majiffy is Scum and is just fucking with us?

[Maestro]

and seriously, so many fucking P-Edits, I hate you both

[Maestro]

@fuzzy RE voting me: yes, but this is the kind of conclusion you (if Town) should've come to as soon as I voted you, not a page after when it's obviously between you and me for Scum since (as you yourself put it) Majiffy is either Scum fucking with us or Town, and I don't think even he would fuck with us like this

also:

Because he could be scum hoping I would just blindly vote.

I don't think Maestro is that naive.

this implies you think I'm not naive enough to think that Majiffy Town would blindly vote you if I were Scum and did it first...so you either think I'm Scum and I purposefully voted you and DIDN'T expect Majiffy to go along with it, or you think I'm not Scum and Majiffy is

P-Edit: ...and basically what Majiffy just said, yup

P-Edit: I'm laughing bitch

[Maestro]

also #201 is still fucking terrible AtE and #203 is such twisted logic I can't even...

[Maestro]

oh, and dav's right, I actually would be playing StarCraft since I'm back from work so I might go do that soon

P-Edit: cool, I win

[Maestro]

meh, it wasn't that terrible or you wouldn't've gone along with it so well...but if you wanna say I played badly that's fine - 4nx, game's over come in and flip this poor fucker

[Maestro]

ah, ok - welp that's good enough for me I guess

P-Edit: go easy on him, we had an awesome Scumgame together once and we've been inseparable ever since...

[Maestro]

Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:31 pm

Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:02 pm

Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:18 am

Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:33 am

HAHA WE BEAT MIST'S GAME - our game was 4 hours, 31 minutes long and theirs was 16 hours, 15 minutes

[Maestro]

*EBWOP: the second thingy should say "Their game"

[Maestro]

also that's from 4nx's announcement of the game starting to the hammer post - not the Mod post

[Maestro]

boomchakalaka

[Maestro]

hey, now that it's all over we can have fun like our game was supposed to be

because I was all like "damnit they made the thread all SRS BSNZ before I got here...LAME"

so I'm looking to roll Town next time so I can help with that -

ok 4nx?!

(WIFOM, bitchz)

[Maestro]

uh, why? there's a 66.66% chance you'd be wrong, since my future alignment is kindof not at all relevant to past games

[Maestro]

meh, whatevs. ANYWAY, I can go play StarCraft now, yaaaaaaaaaay

[Maestro]

Only start the next round tonight if I'm involved.

Maestro what am I putting in my signature?

lol basically this

and actually, Majiffy...I wish to be added to the flowchart - that is my price

[Maestro]

DO EEEEET

and if you really don't want to, I GUESS I'll think of something for your sig

[Maestro]

...that jpg hasn't been changed in years, has it?

[Maestro]

[Maestro]

I hear that Maestro is a really good veteran to play with.

lolwut

[Maestro]

that's quite the underhanded jab at both Majiffy's play and mine, so watch it there JW

[Maestro]

You i think are a good player

lolwut

[Maestro]

Varsoon thought it was fuzzy, I didn't really know / wasn't paying well enough attention, I guess?

[Maestro]

cool, sup guys

[Maestro]

RQS is really bad, and you should feel bad

[Maestro]

we talk until someone fucks up, and don't lynch Town? how's that sound

[Maestro]

I like this approach, Maestro.

EW BUDDYING EW GET IT OFF GET IT OFF

[Maestro]

smh so much

[Maestro]

sarcasm gets you nowhere in games, Varsoon

[Maestro]

I usually associate content-production with town and relaxed, non-engagement with scum.

explain this, because I play this way as both alignments for the most part and I'd add that you haven't really been "producing much content" yourself there, bud (P.S. "producing content" is a kindof bullshit phrase that people use when they wanna say what somebody's doing that makes them look Town, it's a BS catch-all phrase when you need to fabricate a reason to think someone's Town - so try harder Var)

[Maestro]

jesus, the walls hurt my eyes

I'll go back and read the last page later Varsy, but I've been working a lot this week

[Maestro]

...I can't tell whether you understand how patronizing you're being or if you're doing it by accident

[Maestro]

hah fair enough

[Maestro]

meh

[Maestro]

why should I have something relevant to say just because you think I should? you just admitted "not a whole lot's been going on in here"

[Maestro]

ok, so? talk about who's Scum

[Maestro]

tell me more

[Maestro]

...note to self, don't trust Varsoon to think if Town - got it

[Maestro]

you'll never know

[Maestro]

hey, that'll be more incentive for Varsy not to be so stupid with his votes next time

[Maestro]

mist that Majiffy vote was terribad

[Maestro]

but then again you were screwed soon as Varsoon didn't hammer, from Majiffy's PoV

[Maestro]

[Maestro]

yup, this is a thing now

[Maestro]

yeah, it's still about an hour and a half away for me

excited for a win on my birthday?

[Maestro]

so you're saying your Town which means Voided is Scum, eh?

poor Voided - only one with a nowin record so far
(not counting mist because lolmist)

but jk, I'm super excited for mah birfday and you seem chill so this game should be fun at least

Syryana needs to be on the losing team next game, juss sayin'
perfect winning record so far? ain't nobodah got time fo dat

[Maestro]

aw shucks thanks

[Maestro]

HOLY SHIT VOIDED, THIS WAS FUCKIN' MEANT TO BE

I SWEAR TO GOD

IF YOU'RE TOWN

BIRTHDAY WIN - FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

[Maestro]

woah buddy, woah - why do you not have cake?

buzz ruined, why are you not actually born on May 2nd?

[Maestro]

LOOK AT MAH CAKE, OMNOMNOMNOMNOM

[Maestro]

lazy-ass mother-fuckers are probably not even watching the game

so who's Scum?

[Maestro]

meh, I'll be out at dinner - lemme know via superbirthdaypsychicpowerz if he's Scum or not when I get back

[Maestro]

same, pmuch

[Maestro]

lack of attempt to follow his meta

huh?

[Maestro]

does that mean you think I'm trying to follow some kind of meta?

[Maestro]

...I'm really confused what you mean by "different" sooo

[Maestro]

Hey, I'm trying to townread you here and you're not letting me!

ew, this post

[Maestro]

I mean, it's either fake or forced or some combination of the two, or it's an excuse to post - either way it's just meh but it's all I got right now

The rest of this game is basically him and I talking about the record so far, you and I talking about our birthday(s), him making that non-committed semi-meta-read thing then throwing in the jokey post (buddying?) and hoping I'd go for an all-in or something = floundering for all three of us

[Maestro]

hoping I'd go for an all-in or something

obvious conjecture is obvious

I'm leaning DV before Voided though - ours is not a very interesting game, eh

[Maestro]

I'm thinking of doing something ~outrageous~ but it would maybe get me lynched and then people would complain about me being weird and I'm trying to be one of those serious good mafia players (yes, I know it's not working very well) so I don't know.

This actually has me interested, please go on

I'll look back at the other games sometime soon (lol same thread and everything, shouldn't be too hard) but basically this has been my only interaction with you as a player. I'd actually seen some of what you said ("I admit sometimes I make forced posts as town") so that's why I'm not voting you yet or doing anything rash at all. My impression of you is definitely that you do take this a little more seriously, at least you seem to take it more seriously than me... You said it best when you said there's no real reason to think anybody is anything right now... but I'm curious: why specifically were you asking what

I

thought of you?

Maybe we're all 3rd party Survivor Unlynchers, with a 3-way triangle preventing any two people from winning together? /setupspec

HOLYSHITTHATSOUNDSLIKEAFUNGAMEWOOOOO

[Maestro]

Lyncher's goal is to get Player X Lynched no matter what
Unlyncher's goal is to make sure Player Y doesn't get Lynched no matter what

[Maestro]

what the setup idea? I know, right - so terrible I really wanna try it

(if you meant anything else I have no idea what you meant)

DV, asking permission to do shit in a Mafia game makes me wanna vote you

[Maestro]

I thought it might have been scummy because I thought you were paying at least some attention to the previous games and would have had some kind of impression for me there.

I have been? but why would me paying attention to previous games make a first impression while in-game scummy?
reading a game and watching, vs. actually playing a game with a person are two very different things

[Maestro]

er, it's me being honest - you asking permission for things (which is completely separate from my thoughts on the things you're asking permission to do) makes me want to vote you, just for shits almost, cuz it's kindof annoying and because yeah, in some mindset on some level, it could be a scumtell. but asking permission for things is one of those scumtells that's almost completely retired from Scum site meta, IMO. it's usually just subtle things along those lines that catch the tell, you only see it blatantly from Newbie or the like, so me taking it as a bona fide scumtell wouldn't be logical

[Maestro]

It doesn't really matter much to me so it feels tedious continuing this, but I figured you'd be able to tell whether someone was 'chill' or not before playing with them.

I would feel like you should be eager to push this angle though, and ask why I didn't have an impression of you?
if I were in your position, I know I would wonder

basically, yeah I've paid attention, but only to votes or heated discussions or to Majiffy's posts (because Majiffy) - not so much to the rest of it

[Maestro]

reading a game and watching, vs. actually playing a game with a person are two very different things

but really this about sums it up - regardless of alignment, IMO you really only get a "feel" for a player once you've actually played with them

I mean, you can tell somebody's general style by reading their games but to go through a game with them, skim their posts, think about their motivation and pick apart their logic (if need be) - that's a process I don't usually fundamentally go through when I'm not actually IN a game. I can't be the only one who feels this way

I READ games for entertainment - I PLAY games for the experience

[Maestro]

OH ACTUALLY I JUST THOUGHT OF AN ANALOGY

so if I'm reading a game, you're an actor and your alignment and shit doesn't really matter to me except as a part of my entertainment - same with your playstyle. whatever "feel" I get for somebody after WATCHING a game is akin to WATCHING a movie and understanding the kind of performance an actor gives. to get to actually KNOW how an actor goes through your every day life, you have to live it with them, like actually PLAYING a game with somebody else instead of watching

[Maestro]

However, I still don't like your comment about the permission thing, and the explanation isn't great either. This is mainly because it was directly related to something you had said, so it seems more likely that you focused on that without considering the context in order to look a little town.

...I seriously don't understand what you're saying

Voided and I both wanna know what the "forced thing" that originally asked permission to do is

personally I don't have much of a read on either of you, but you kinda seem to just be tripping over yourself here so if you're Town I'm waiting to see some kind of definitive mindset behind the tripping... Voided's just holding back and (probably) trying hard not to lose a third game

[Maestro]

DV...if you think I'm Scum why the fuck aren't you voting me...

#657 is AtE and it sounds like you assume Voided is Town - if you think voting you is better for ScumVoided than voting me, why're you encouraging him to unvote unless you're pretty sure he's Town? voting you isn't insta-loss because he's still need me to hammer, which I won't do because I'm Town

[Maestro]

...

Unvote

1 day stands betwen 0-3 and 1-2. I don't have much reason to believe I'll get 1-2. Why do I have to lose?

I don't follow what you're saying here, and what do you think of DV's insistence that "asking permission to do something forced isn't a big deal" or however it was that he put it...?

[Maestro]

that's like, common sense though - you saying it is just fluff, and you having to think that out loud looks really forced
especially with all of us being in our third game in this format, you should be used to thinking about this

I don't know if the deadline is dynamic code or static text, but I think I'm ready to vote

[Maestro]

nope

[Maestro]

and if it's dynamic then I'm not gonna vote yet but consider me voting DV unless something magical happens

[Maestro]

telling Voided what and responding to me how?

(also, it's still goddamn common sense - the mindset of "lol LyLo this is new" can't be used anymore either to back-up your insistence that he unvote or to back-up Voided's original vote in the first place, because we've all played two games with this format already so this kindof thing shouldn't be new, psure my point stands)

[Maestro]

@4nx: this may've been asked before, and I didn't notice, but would No-Lynch end as Town win or Scum win?

depending on the answer to that question, and if neither of you votes within the next 12 hours (based on activity seen in this game), I'm going to vote and be done with it

[Maestro]

I'm not Scum, I wanna hear what DV has to say before I cast a vote

[Maestro]

ah, ok

[Maestro]

oh wait, yeah - I'm Scum

VOTE: DeasVail

[Maestro]

[Maestro]

flip the poor bastard, 4nx

[Maestro]

I handed that pagetop to you on a silver platter - YOU'RE WELCOME

[Maestro]

anyway, GG both of you - I was at my Dad's production of

Avenue Q

last night but when I returned to see Voided has voted DV I kicked myself

guess it didn't show up in-thread though

[Maestro]

Voided

had

voted DV

EBWODP

[Maestro]

[Maestro]

awwwwwww

WAIT THIS MEANS SYRYANA GOT A LOSE MWAHAHAHAHA WE'RE TIED NOW BEEYATCH <3

[Maestro]

wait, the only ones with W > L are me and the Newbies

Majiffy, mist, davroe - I am disappoint

[Maestro]

we talked about this game a lot

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/XLiN8jw9vmu9a

[Maestro]

M always lervs a good Scumwin <3

[Maestro]

yoyoyo

[Maestro]

HAAAAA Mist derped up the playerlist, I'm loling IRL right now...

[Maestro]

P.S. methinks Jason's lurking the thread

[Maestro]

hey, if postin's so easy, why not do it around 7 when you were posting in the Newbie Queue and Mish Mash?

[Maestro]

k

[Maestro]

So this got buried under a bunch of other topics.

sure, sure, bro

Maestro, do you think mist not knowing the players in the game is indicative of alignment?

meh, nope

her trying to paint somebody who hadn't posted yet as being suspicious for that reason is meh too - could just be paranoia

Jason, got anything to say not concerning who's Scum?

FTFW

[Maestro]

always girl

P.S. I have a migraine, so I'm going to bed after I do Mod stuffs

don't wait up

[Maestro]

didn't mean to leave the not in there, and it was mostly meant as a joke

[Maestro]

where did I reference any paranoia? I don't FEEL any paranoia

[Maestro]

...

paranoia on Mist's part for thinking that somebody who hadn't posted was Scummy

not paranoia on my part for thinking the whole thing is null tell

[Maestro]

no Jason, lrn2read, I'm saying I think the whole thing is irrelevant since A) I could see it being her trying to paint somebody as Scummy for no real reason, and B) I could just as easily see it being her - paranoid

[Maestro]

oh yes, just not from a silly Mist-type entry that looks 2 parts derp and 1 part facepalm

I'm gonna back and look to see if you're more likely to spampost as Scum or if Mist is more likely to lurk as Scum

[Maestro]

I think a word, but you get the idea

[Maestro]

I understand, the term was just a comparison between two different posting styles - KEEP AHOLD OF YOUR BRICHES MAH BOY

[Maestro]

well that's just unfortunate

[Maestro]

WE ARE AGREED JASON

[Maestro]

P.S. Mist, you have a 0 / 3 record, so what was the point of that post anyway?

[Maestro]

oh, do tell

[Maestro]

O...k

mist? rebuttal of some kind?

[Maestro]

Oh FFS

[Maestro]

ok, here's the thing - I fuckin' hate being Town

each of you give me 1 good reason why I'm Town, especially taking into consideration everything about my previous play in these LyLo games
then each of you give 2 good reasons why the other isn't Town, especially taking into consideration everything about the other's previous play in these LyLo games

I'm more interested to see in what you come up with here than in what you think you've come up with based on the lack of content this particular game

I'm also thinking the key in winning the games in this last round will come from the earlier rounds themselves - if you think about it, there's only so many ways a person can play in the same setup as either alignment, so as we go on it should've been getting easier (since the meta situation is EXACTLY the same) to read others given the given situation (e.g. 3p Vanilla LyLo)

so yeah, thoughts plz

[Maestro]

No mist, you've failed to see the point of the exercise

PRIOR TO ME NOT HAMMERING EITHER OF YOU, why was I Town?

[Maestro]

also, the fuck? this kind of setup/theme/mechanic is RIFE with opportunity for meta use, or at least speculation

[Maestro]

cool, so your only reason for voting Jason over me, even though I was a bigger Scumread before his vote, was that he voted you and you therefore couldn't quickhammer? and since I had already posted making it clear I wasn't hammering you, you couldn't EVER convince Jason I was Scum because he would never believe it?

[Maestro]

that would explain the situation, Mist

if you have some other scenario, please enlighten me

[Maestro]

cool, so your only reason for voting Jason over me, even though I was a bigger Scumread before his vote, was that he voted you and you therefore couldn't quickhammer? and since I had already posted making it clear I wasn't hammering you, you couldn't EVER convince Jason I was Scum because he would never believe it?

oh, P.S. this doesn't come from a Town PoV - so if this is true you're, like, SCUM, gurl

[Maestro]

my town read on you was leaning scum.

Can you explain the sense to this?

but srsly, yeah

[Maestro]

Oh don't worry, I'm here

I'm waiting on you two

[Maestro]

*sigh* welp my mind's not changing, Jason seems very eager but Mist never does herself any favors...

VOTE: Mist7676[/unvote]

you Scum Jason?

[Maestro]

tricky bastard

Hmmm...

[Maestro]

Jason, I just realized you and I both have the same record here - 2/2 Scum games won and our 1 Town game lost

[Maestro]

Mhm, ok

[Maestro]

damnit, I fell asleep...sorry guys