Micro 158: borkgame (Game Over)

[Majiffy]

VOTE: RachMarie

Waginz.

[Majiffy]

Pretty much the soundtrack to my life.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: RachMarie

Waginz.

^L-1

^ Never lynch. Ever.

VOTE: RachMarie

Waginz.

^L-1

Fuck. Hydra slip in page 3.

^ Or technically this one.

DID you just OMGUS me Majiffy?

I was just jumping on the largest wagon. Not my fault you were voting me!

umm already answred about you Sven and you just confirmed my reasoning.

The fact that Icebox (even if one of the heads messed up and posted under his main, made a point to let peeps know I was at L-1 also seems towny.

Majiffy's vote of all seems the most scummy, but I have played a lot of games with him so willing to see what he has to say.

Meanwhile as I said peeps have not yet posted and its what page 2? no way is town ready for the day to end yet.

This is good too.

Why would you not put your vote on a person who you think is scummy?
Also I would prefer hearing you explain with your own words rather than going back and read. What do you mean by "absolute statements?"

That tree.

Stop barking up it.

You realize it was his first post in the thread and was RVS right

I don't RVS. I end it.

I like

DBK

's 104, particularly his narration of things after my Rach vote - followed my train of thought.

Page 6+ to come.
UNVOTE: Rach

{Icebox, Rach, DBK}
Townies.

[Majiffy]

Don't like Selkies' 141. Probably because I have a firm townread on Ice, and this looks like opportunistic fabrication of a case.

Really don't like 143 either. Looks like lining up lynches. This can die.
VOTE: Selkies

DBK, I could kiss you for how town you are. Let's be friends.

I just remembered that Majiffy doesn't play RVS.

Get this man a prize for such an astute observation anyone that has played with me (read: 75% of the playerlist) should have made 5 pages ago.

So I would love to hear from Majiffy why he voted Rach to L-1.

The reason I gave in the post I voted her in.

Waginz.

I

do not

like the Varsoon wagon. Not for any particular reason, I haven't payed much attention to the actual reasons being given, but I don't like how it's building. No excitement, just a lot of ... votes. I'll be starting here when I finish catching up.

I may have missed it but what the fuck is NLS?

Lets do this until I think of something better

VOTE MAJIFFY

.

Play with fire, you gon' get burned.

I meta girl once, it turned out horribly.
Dohoho.

Get the fuck out, lol

Anyway I like this post as a whole. You can be town too.

And actually, here you say that you weren't even sure what you should make of people calling you out for post 50.

This is almost laughable.

God I am really disliking every post you make.

Majiffy, nice start. But what is so town about icebox hydra slip?

It wasn't the slip, it was the post itself.

Seemed to come from a town mindset.

Oh I missed that you had bo doesnt know as town, we should discuss that.

Yeah lets discuss your poor choice of a vote. Why are you voting DBK? He's pretty much my strongest townread.

[Majiffy]

Lol bork

[Majiffy]

Also updated VC would be nice sir.

[Majiffy]

Thanks, you're a dear.

[Majiffy]

Null lean scum

Tell me why you don't like my posts, let's talk this out

I agree with not a single reason you ever give for anything, ever. And that's disconcerting - even with people I disagree with heavily, I've never felt so polarized.

Aside from that, I've elaborated on you in my two catchup posts. Go read them.

Majiffy, he has stated that he is pretty much set with his vote on me, how is that in anyway coming from a townie?

Lets just play with the idea that I am a townie, can I right the ship or should I stop spending time in this thread?

Townies can't tunnel?

Right the ship by voting Selkies.

Tell me about your firm townread on Ice based on Ice pointing out that your vote was L-1. Why exactly is this such a strong town tell

Came straight out of the townie's mouth. I feel like scum would have elaborated more, his was very matter-of-fact nothing-more-need-be-said. And that's townie as fuck.

If it's opportunistic fabrication, you should be able to quote the parts I fabricated right

Sure.

I can have multiple scumreads right, not just one? I'm allowed to do that?

Go ahead and find a quote where I even suggested this.

[Majiffy]

This is good. Let’s ISO Icebox and see what we find.

I don't like that you started with this; bunny-hopping off some light suspicions by DBK to launch a case. Opportunistic.

If this is a serious reason, it really sucks. It’s not buddying; it’s just pointing out that somebody is enjoyable to play with. If this is a RVS vote, I’m not seeing what it’s achieving.

It's building a wagon. Which helps get us out of RVS. Which is pro-town. The fact that you can't grok that is what feels so entirely fabricated.

So first off, no mention whatsoever of the Rach wagon at L-1. At all. It’s a mine of information, much more than anything we’ve had so far, you have two people, and you failed to comment on it? Really?

Did you just try to fault someone for pursuing a completely valid direction of questioning? Mhmmm yes you did. By deflecting off what he

did say

and instead focusing on what he

didn't say.

Everyone else was already talking about my vote putting Rach to L-1, his input wouldn't have added anything of merit. Instead, he saw something no one was talking about, and pursued it. That's town.

---

Re: Varsoon (not going to bother quoting because walls)
I don't like how you start with "Varsoons posts are bad" and highlight that he doesn't like RVS. RVS is inefficient and generally sucky. There's nothing bad about disliking RVS.
I also don't like how you end with "I think there's at least one scum between Varsoon and Icebox.", in context with your poor arguments for both of them being scum. Hence my accusation of you lining up lynches.

[Majiffy]

I agree with not a single reason you ever give for anything, ever. And that's disconcerting - even with people I disagree with heavily, I've never felt so polarized.

I feel like you're wrong.

... How can you 'feel'

my

opinion?

Enjoy your feels, I guess, bro.

I can have multiple scumreads right, not just one? I'm allowed to do that?

Go ahead and find a quote where I even suggested this.

Really don't like 143 either. Looks like lining up lynches. This can die.

^

Fun fact: "You aren't allowed to have multiple scum reads" and "you're lining up lynches" aren't even close to logically congruent statements.

[Majiffy]

@Majiffy:

That tree.

Stop barking up it.

I don't understand what you mean by this.

The line of questioning you were going after was essentially null. But you get an A for effort!

[Majiffy]

For fucks sake STOP RESPONDING IN BOLD INSIDE THE QUOTE IT TURNS INTO A FUCKING FORMATTING NIGHTMARE

[Majiffy]

I will respond to ONE more fucking post of yours where you do that, and that's it. if you ever do it again, I will flat-out ignore it.

[Majiffy]

Narrative spinning. DBK bought my attention to Icebox, I expressed agreement. If I wanted to be opportunistic, why wouldn't I stick on Sven who DBK also had down as scum and who I previously pushed for too?

It isn't narrative "spinning". It's narrative. It's a fucking word-for-word what-the-fuck-happened.

Spoiler:

Nope. Because in RVS I repeatedly asked Icebox to wagon Sven with me and they ignored me completely. Read the first pages again.

Maybe he wasn't feeling a Sven wagon. Maybe he had a town read on him. I can't exactly answer for him, being that I'm not inside his head.

Yes I did.

No further questions.

Nobody likes RVS, but you can agree that it's necessary to start a game. Neither of my arguments were poor--especially with your critique of the Icebox case I think you're missing a lot of info. I end up with "at least one scum between Varsoon and Icebox" tells you that both are in my scumpile and I was reasonably certain of this, anything else is putting words into my mouth.

I know a number of people actually enjoy RVS, so "nobody likes RVS" is factually false.

I also disagree it's necessary to start the game.

[Majiffy]

Fun fact: "You aren't allowed to have multiple scum reads" and "you're lining up lynches" aren't even close to logically congruent statements.

I had two scumreads. I expressed my belief that there was at least one scum in the two.

Tell me how this is lining up lynches, because it's sort of not.

Because lo-and-behold when one flips town, guess what you're going to advocate next? A blind lynch on the other.

[Majiffy]

It isn't narrative "spinning". It's narrative. It's a fucking word-for-word what-the-fuck-happened.

You need to support this. I like how you ignored my point on why calling me opportunistic is a joke.

Oh I stopped reading it after the second sentence, I figured you were just elaborating on your bullshit.

Sven was an easy lynch, and you could be called out for it. You were sidelining your vote on someone DBK could pick up the mantle for later in the day phase when it got down to the nitty gritty and we were looking for valid wagons to end the day with.

Am I giving you too much credit for your level of intelligence and foresight?

This doesn't change a few things.

Firstly, in my case, I said that Icebox's vote on rach was pointless, you said that Icebox was town for voting Rach which builds wagons. However, Icebox's vote on Rach was the first (so out goes the wagon-building hypothesis), and I was encouraging Icebox to build a wagon on Sven (and again). So this is patently false.

Shrug. I don't care much as that's got nothing to do with why I'm reading Icebox as town. Go pester him about it.

So you agree with me?

Actually, you'll notice that

you agreed with me

.

Seriously? Weird people.

Not really. A lot of people get their strongest reads from early-game interactions.

But you aren't seeing the points I bring up in the Varsoon case. I'm not calling him scum for having different opinions about RVS. I'm calling him scum for labeling everything as "RVS lameness" while there was usable information that he should have recognized, for his lack of a vote on Sven.

I wasn't arguing the case; I didn't read it past the first few quotes and the last few lines. I'm arguing that you're scum for some of the content therein that I

did

read. So clearly

you're

the one not seeing points here.

[Majiffy]

You can't extrapolate my actions. Don't presume that you can predict my actions, because that's just stupid as fuck. "Oh yeah, Orcinus will do X which makes him scummy, hurr durr".

I have two scum reads. With one's flip, I would have more information, and thus I would reevaluate my reads. You can only accuse me of lining up lynches after I actually pursue the lynch, as it stands, I had two scumreads, and obviously I would want them both lynched given no new information.

You're grasping at straws.

You set up a 1v1 with your statement. There is no other logical end to that route than lining up lynches. That's the long and short of it.

I can prove this syllogistically if you really need me to.

[Majiffy]

I could be called out for an Icebox lynch too given that I was the first person to build an actual case on them, this argument makes no sense.

But you'd shift a lot of the blame to DBK for putting your eye on him.

What the hell?

You're calling me scum in part for my allegedly bad case on Icebox. You said that it wasn't suspicious for Icebox to be ignoring Rach because he's pointing out stuff nobody's looking at, I'm saying that it is given that Icebox had Rach as a scum-read later on and didn't comment one iota on the L-1 wagon until I asked them about it. You agreed. So the point stands. Thanks.

You're ignoring that I addressed this when I made the point; everyone else was already commenting on the Rach L-1 wagon and his participation wasn't going to add anything. So my point stands that you admitted you were just deflecting off his very real scumhunting in favor of a bullshit argument. Thanks.

So you just admitted to cherry picking arguments, and given that your 'cherries' are being refuted one by one...really, I expected better.

Cherry picking arguments? No, not at all. Reading half your post as a low-fat substitute to the full-fat bullshit? Yes.

You haven't refuted shit.

[Majiffy]

So basically, "semantics".

lol

Yes. Which is very important, as this is a logic-based game.

Who else are you currently reading as scum?

Not too keen on Sven. Other than that, no one, yet. But I have about half the player list down as firm town reads, so I figure if it isn't you and Sven I can just POE-to-victory.

And actually, this accusation of lining up lynches makes no sense given that I switched off Icebox later.

Why exactly isn't my vote on Varsoon?

I was posting chronologically, and I rarely tend to go back and edit outdated things.

I don't know, why isn't it?

p-edit: Good god, that wall.

[Majiffy]

Faking scumminess is good for early reaction tests, even if it gets you quickhammered because you'll flip town and it'll narrow the suspects to the wagon. Also, it generates content from reactions.

Disagree to an extent. It DOES, but you need to be able to get yourself out of the hole you dig. If you can't, and you get lynched, VCA on the wagon is often useless as town and scum will both be jumping on for the same reason - you were being legitimately scummy.

[Majiffy]

p-edit: Good god, that wall.

Do a reset or something. You're way off at least on Selkie.[/quote]
Says Selkie.

[Majiffy]

Oops, tags.

[Majiffy]

GOD YOU CAN'T EVEN FIX A FUCKING BROKEN TAG RIGHT WHATS WRONG WITH YOU JEEZ.

[Majiffy]

So basically, if I build a case on someone after someone else has already expressed similar sentiments, I'm scum.

Gotcha.

Nopenope. Because said "bullshit argument" was a L-1 wagon on his main suspect, so I would most certainly expect him to comment on it, at least briefly. They avoided it entirely.

It was early game RVS stage and everyone else was already talking about it. Read my fucking posts

Nope, cherry picking arguments. Intentional misrep of my case on Varsoon.

That's adorable, since

I haven't actually said anything about your case on Varsoon

.

You mean like how you gave up trying to counter why Icebox's Rach-vote was useless?

You mean how I said I wasn't going to argue a point I never originally made in the first place? You forced that argument into the picture, not me.

[Majiffy]

I don't know, why isn't it?

Because I wasn't lining up lynches, idk?

Ok well I mean if we're going to make that argument as a defense, sure.

I guess you're also town because your role PM says so?

[Majiffy]

If I were driven up to L-1 early game, you came in and found me suspicious, why exactly wouldn't you talk about my wagon at all?

If everyone else is already talking about it and I have nothing to add that hasn't already been said, obviously my efforts would be better spent elsewhere.

lol

Unless you're going to say "Varsoons posts are bad" and "One scum between Varsoon/Icebox" is the meat and potatoes of your case, I still argue that I wasn't arguing anything to do with your case on Varsoon.

lol

Yeah, that was clearly a response to you bringing up the original point. Good job!

[Majiffy]

Scumbag Icebox

The long version:

Suggests short version. Provides only long version.

[Majiffy]

My case on you is "entirely" that I disagree with all your views, your case on Icebox was bad, and you set up a 1v1 with Icebox/Varsoon.

You haven't been proving anything, you've been sidelining arguments with irrelevant questions like "LOL BUT WUT 'BOUT DIS VOTE HERE?' that had nothing to do with why I find you scummy, and you've not pointed any contradiction out.

Are you actually going to start defending against the points I've made on you, or are you going to keep deflecting?

[Majiffy]

For the love of god, Majiffy.

First off, you're not reading what Fery or Bo have been posting about your supposed 1v1

Oh I read it, I just disagree. Particularly since you're acting like caught scum with the defensive position of "nuh uh ur points are wrong" as opposed to "no I'm town!"

You find me scummy because of my supposedly bad case on Icebox AND Varsoon since you pointed BOTH out in 272. I have been showing you that you know NOTHING about the case on Icebox, that various things that have happened in the game that you don't know about, which is helping you misunderstand the Icebox case.

I pointed out the 1v1 in 272. I didn't comment on the Varsoon case. Stop misrepping.

I am proving to you that my case on Icebox was not bad.

Uhhh... Where?

You tried to prove me scum by saying that my case on Icebox was bad, a flawed argument which the below quote was a part of, so yes, you bought that into the picture.

Pray tell how I brought something into the picture if it was part of your case.

You don't disagree with all my views. For one, you're forcing me right now to defend an argument (Icebox scum) that I've since withdrawn. So that's overblown too.

^ More caught scum mentality.

[Majiffy]

I'm done arguing with you, you're like a broken record.

[Majiffy]

Go make yourself productive and learn to play.

[Majiffy]

By the way, Varsoon expressed suspicion on me before you.

"Opportunistic scum."

VOTE: Majiffy

You can go bye-bye.

Sing me the song of your people,
Angry-Caught-Scum-OMGUS, in E flat minor.

[Majiffy]

Yeah I'll be here, except for about an hour between 6 EST and 7 EST

[Majiffy]

I'm here now, let's snuggle.

[Majiffy]

Holy cow I go to sleep and ya all post a novel...

actual content after coffee..

I feel like you have this exact post in a text document on your desktop, to post whenever you enter a game after some extended period of time.

[Majiffy]

Exactly my point. If you can't make yourself as transparent as possible, you lose as town. That's what town failure is, it's inability to command rhetoric.
Ironically, that's the same for scum failure.

Unfortunately, not all players play the same; which is why I brought up my comment. Using your strategy as a broad-catch all will do more harm than good, and expecting it to be followed as gospel will hurt your reads more than it will help.

[Majiffy]

Will you be around? I'm going to start with some ISOs because hell if I'm going to reread this damned argument.

- f

>still waiting

[Majiffy]

ff - I was talking more about the 'are you going to be around' bit, I thought you wanted to interact directly with me.
Sven - You'd be the only other gear I'm considering at the moment, so you should probably hold your tongue.

[Majiffy]

I thought that comparing notes might be a decent place to start.

Any thoughts on Jennifer? Have you played a game with her?

Unless your notes are vastly different from Orci's then I doubt we'll get very far with that.

No thoughts on Jennifer. Never played with her before.

[Majiffy]

I don't know how accurately I can read her, but she seems town.

And yes, I have Icebox as town.

[Majiffy]

I don't know how accurately I can read her, but she seems town.

And yes, I have Icebox as town.

Bo?

Town.

Have you even read any of my posts? I've given these reads.

[Majiffy]

At this point, I'd like short reads from everyone.
I've already given mine.
We need to have a check of who stands where and what we can agree on, and who we think we should collectively pressure.

Town
{DBK, Icebox, RachMarie, Varsoon}
Null
{Disturbed_One, Jennifer}
Scum
{Selkies, Sven}

No particular order. Fairly confident on all my town reads, pretty sure we could autowin this by lynching purely out of my scum and null reads.

Since the tard fight started? Not so much. Too fucking painful to watch. I'll page search your iso for "Bo" later.

DBK, actually.

Yeah lets discuss your poor choice of a vote. Why are you voting DBK? He's pretty much my strongest townread.

That was quick. Why?

His commentary and posting follows my train of thought to a T.

Majiffy: Majiffy

Lol'd. Why does everyone always refuse to read me?!

[Majiffy]

Did I miss a page? Jesus.

[Majiffy]

I think that the volume of this game going to be a headache for scum.

Actually, volume seems to trend towards being pro-scum. Townies have a tendency to replace out, their replacements won't read, cases aren't made... turns into a lot of town apathy. Check out NY 161 for a prime example of this; all of the scum team was repeatedly getting called out starting with me on D1, but because of the pace of the game, the town became incredibly apathetic.

[Majiffy]

Your scum list has a high probability of being 100% wrong.

Why am I scum?

I don't like a number of your posts or your interacting with other players. Seems different from the other games I've played or am playing with you.

Majiffy: Majiffy

Lol'd. Why does everyone always refuse to read me?!

Because you were meant to sheeped, not read.

I knew there was a reason I liked you, kid.

I dont think we are gonna get much out of Majfffy until Mollie goes back home.

She went home this morning.

In response to Majiffy's 417:
I don't like that you're willing to narrow your two scum suspects to my two top scum suspects, especially now that more players are confirming me as town. I had you in about the middle of my town/scum radar, but this moves you more into the 'buddying scum' area of that grey space.

There's two ways I can respond to this;
1) I can belittle you for not paying attention to the fact that these reads are the ones I've had since I made my catchup post.
2) I can belittle you for acting like just because you were available to post early-game and I was not, somehow that makes your reads more valid.

Pick one, and let me know.

[Majiffy]

Your scum list has a high probability of being 100% wrong.

Why am I scum?

I don't like a number of your posts or your interacting with other players. Seems different from the other games I've played or am playing with you.

You have no completed games with me. This post is kinda bad.

That would be why I used the word or. Derp.

[Majiffy]

They were still shit when you were pushing them. Just because you've backed off them now doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot.

[Majiffy]

Where's your partner at, I want to talk to him more. He seems to have more oxygen getting to his brain.

[Majiffy]

I'm back. We're discussing our reads.

I'm a she.

- f

Nah, this is the internet. You're a he unless I've put my penis in you.*

*Nachomamma8 is a she.

You haven't been very good at proving this.

Can mollie play for you for a while

That's ok, you haven't been very good in general.

And no.

[Majiffy]

This would certainly explain why there are no women on the internet.

ICEBURN

[Majiffy]

Talk to me about lining up lynches, why don't you

There's a fair difference between an argument from POE and an argument from 1v1.

You really ought to stop posting, Orci. Every time you do, you just put another ping on my scumdar.

[Majiffy]

I am not. I'd like you to show me where I've lined anything up.

[Majiffy]

You did say something about lynching within your 4 scum and null reads and winning the game. That's somethig resembling 2 out of 4

That'd be quite a stretch to call 2 out of 4 "lining up lynches".

and you're 1) trying to apply symbolic logic to informal English

...So?

and 2) pillorying him for your interpretation of what he meant by 1 out of 2

Um...? What?

and 3) not liking it when your argument against him gets scaled up to your own argument.

No, I'm just not liking him this game. I've gotten into large-scale arguments with him before, and he's acting very different. Can't remember which Micro, Mollie might know. I'll ask her whenever I catch her online next and I'll fetch you a link.

I hate these sorts of arguments btw. Almost as much as I hate "let's lynch so and so for

information

".

Information lynches can be useful.

Right here.

Because if you lynch us and we flip scum, you're going to lynch sven. And then going to lynch your nulls.

If I lynch you and you flip scum... how does that make me advocating your lynch scummy, again? I'm not sure where you're going with this.

Ugh. *if you lynch us and we flip town, you're going to lynch the remainder of your scum, sven

Probably shouldn't have corrected it, now it just looks like a slip instead of you being an idiot

[Majiffy]

Whenever the rest of town decides to pull its head out of its ass, Selkies can use some more votes.

[Majiffy]

Jesus I go to play one round of backgammon and you guys make another page worth of shit.

[Majiffy]

You'll fetch me a link? I don't need orcinus meta. I know my alignment. Our alignment. What I don't know is yours.

- f

Afraid it'll strengthen my argument?

orcinus stop posting and get some sleep. we're not getting lynched.

- f

Lol

If I lynch you and you flip scum... how does that make me advocating your lynch scummy, again? I'm not sure where you're going with this.

Lining up lynches

You're very bad at reading

So I'm scummy for lynching scum. Gotcha.

Right now, I'm feeling that Majiffy and Selk are scum.
I'd like them to convince me otherwise.

Why would I push this hard on my buddy when no one else is supporting the lynch but you?

Great, now that we've gotten that aside, we can lynch Selk without you being a paranoid schizophrenic about me.

Also, Majiffy, the proper way to respond to someone who calls you out isn't to insult them. I'd post a funny gif or something, but the guy who introduced me to the game told me that scum posts pics, links, and gifs, so I'll keep from doing that.

1) Contrary to popular belief, it actually

is

the proper way to respond.
2) Image/Gif/Funny tells are fucking awful and horribly inaccurate. Besides, it's usually playstyle-indicative rather than alignment-indicative.

Mainstream mafia, wouldn't call it any more large scale than this one.

No, it was a smaller game than that

Right just remembered there was a micro test-run. Anyway Orci seemed really town when he went toe to toe with me there. He doesn't have the same feel here.

saying that town could win by lynching out of your null and scum reads is most certainly lining up lynches by your reasoning.

And as I've said before, argument from POE and argument from 1v1 are two very different things.

We did the same thing. I had (at the time) 2 scum reads, you have 2. Both of us want to lynch out of them. You accused me of lining up lynches--I can do the same to you.

That's your third contradiction of the game, step it up.

You're trying to rephrase the argument to suit your needs; I have half the playerlist as basically confirmed town in my mind already. So while you had two scum reads and 1v1'd, I have 4-non-conf-town reads. POE is stronger than arbitrarily picking two names out of a hat and saying "one of these guys is scum".

wait you play backgammon too? so does NS.

Do you really think that Sven and Selkies would be so blatantly buddying like this if they were the scum team? for realz? Not paranoia.

1) You and Mollie obviously need to arrange a play date for the boys then.

2) They're just my two scum reads. I don't bother with associative tells until I get a scum flip.

[Majiffy]

So I'm scummy for lynching scum. Gotcha.

You're scummy for lining up lynches and I think you noted my post where I corrected the post into what I meant to say, so this deliberate misrepresentation is pretty shitty too.

And I think you should note where I mention that it makes it look like you slipped. Broken clock, twice a day, eh?

This makes no. Sense.

Maybe to someone with an IQ of 70, sure. Do you have an IQ of 70?

And you have 4 townreads, and you think that there are two scum in the remaining 4.

This is the same. Fucking. Thing.

No, not it is not. And I've already explained this thoroughly.

I remember you being just as stupid in last game. You were SK iirc.

And if you also recall correctly, I was going after scum. Or cult, for whatever the distinction may matter.

Nope, because if you're wrong about even a single town read you're shit outta luck.

Still beats drawing out of a hat, on the basis that I have firm reasons to support my town reads.

[Majiffy]

Alright boys, just go ahead and kiss and make up.

Spoiler:

[Majiffy]

That really would have been more humorous if you hadn't posted before me, Selk.

[Majiffy]

[Majiffy]

I really want to work with you majiffy, but your reads make it impossible

I really want to work with you, Sven, but your scum alignment makes it impossible.

@Majiffy: I like your post, even if I could read it as a dodge. Thanks for speaking directly to what I said.

Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

[Majiffy]

Yes.

[Majiffy]

I am supposed have figured out the 2 scum from that already?

[Majiffy]

Fucking retarded.

VOTE: Sven

[Majiffy]

Majiffy's sudden tactical drop of our wagon in favor of Svenskt looks sketchy to me. I'm learning that there's a tendency for MS players to do that - give up and move on quickly, but it still bothers me.

Your wagon clearly isn't going through today. Why would I sideline my vote when it can be put to use?

DBK looking forward to your post. This game needs fresh blood.

[Majiffy]

The only thing stopping me from going full on medival on majiffy is the value we lose

when

he is town

*ahem*

More Sven votes.

DBK

- You say a lot of strong things against me, but I'm not seeing any logic to back it up. You're going to need to elaborate.

Also Rach lynch is stupid.

[Majiffy]

Okay, I am objectively assessing that he is infact town sometimes.

Problem is, the language assumes you know I'm town

this game

.

If you can elaborate why a Rach lynch is stupid, that would be great. I'll get to you in 30 minutes with a somewhat case on you, mainly because I'm pretty sure all my general thoughts are in the wall post with some linked posts in there to back them up.

She reacted very well under pressure in the early-game.

[Majiffy]

It's what started my town read on her, yeah.

Since then she has been acting reasonably town, if not a little scatter-brained. But that's typical for her.

[Majiffy]

VOTE MAJIFFY

Dat OMGUS.

[Majiffy]

Only to a retard. What I did say was that the town loses value from lynching you early as you are from what i have heard a competent and active townie. This is the same logic that rach uses.

Rach did not react at all to the pressure early.

1) No, it's what you said, regardless of what you intended to say.
2) Yes she did. Just because she didn't blow up and freak out like you do doesn't mean she didn't react.

Explain.

She hasn't done anything I think is scummy.

[Majiffy]

VOTE MAJIFFY

Dat OMGUS.

If I have to read OMGUS one more time, I'll break something.

You're going to hate this site.

so if she doesnt do anything scummy she is towny?

If I already have a town read on her, yes.

Problem?

1.) You sounded like you wanted him to intend to say something scummy but ok
2.) She didn't react. And I don't react like Sven. So yeah.

Not elaborating enough on your town read.

My case on you is pretty much all in here. It's throughout the wall.

1) Given that he's a scum read, yeah, I'd like it if he slips; it makes my life easier.
2) She reacted. I've played enough games with her to know when she's flat-out ignoring something or when she's legitimately unphased.

Not sure what else you want from me re: Rach.

I read your "case" on me. I'm saying the claims you make are unfounded.

Actually, saying she hasn't done anything you think is scummy isn't that bad of an elaboration.

But it would be a lazy answer for scum.

Remove blinders.
Lynch Sven.

[Majiffy]

I read your "case" on me. I'm saying the claims you make are unfounded.

Not sure what you mean by "unfounded" considering I have linked posts next to every comment I make about you.

I mean that they have no basis in reality or are otherwise blind speculation with no reasoning to back up the thought processes behind them.

[Majiffy]

If you fill a glass up with water, and then leave it out on the table, do you think the glass will still be full of water?

Yes, it will be.

Res Ipsa Loquitur.

[Majiffy]

Learn English better and get back to me.

[Majiffy]

Yeah I type p-edit with a hyphen.

[Majiffy]

Reads that don't get refreshed with continued alignment-expected behaviors grow stale. Or should. Scum occasionally skate to endgame on the basis of one or two memorable early protown actions, but that's a failure on town's part to keep expectations high.

Well when we get to endgame and Rach is still around I'll consider changing my opinion, eh?

It's still day one - your argument about reads growing stale is moot.

[Majiffy]

Disagree. I downgrade town reads in these long-ass day ones pretty frequently.

Well that's you. Do you want a medal or something?

[Majiffy]

Jennifer.

You should pay attention to Majiffy.

Just saying.

So should you!

[Majiffy]

Disagree. I downgrade town reads in these long-ass day ones pretty frequently.

Well that's you. Do you want a medal or something?

How about noticing that selkies is towny for having progressions in her reads, while you have stale reads, based ono bad reasoning axplained poorly.

If you can explain to me why having fluid reads in inherently townie and why sticking to early, firm town reads is scummy, sure.

[Majiffy]

*reads is inherently

[Majiffy]

How do you need help with that bit? How are you viewed as a good player?

Basicly, its very easy to scum when all you need is to make one read then refer back to it. While in fact townies are unsure and alert and changes their reads as the game progresses and more information becomes avaible.

This isn't an argument for why I should change my playstyle, this is an argument for why you read them as they are.

Problem is, I'm

always

pretty solid in my reads. In fact, I'm often stickier with my reads as town than I am as scum. And it has served me quite well.

So, putting aside your preconceived notions of how town and scum act, why is being fluid in your reads so townie?

[Majiffy]

Saying "because that's what townies are" is not a valid argument in the face of evidence that not all townies play alike.

[Majiffy]

Basically, what I'm saying is that stickiness or fluidity in reads are not a great indicator of alignment, and that you need to look beyond that to discern if someone is town or not.

[Majiffy]

That's interesting. You want to explain why?

[Majiffy]

What would you like to talk about in regards to the game?

I feel like I've covered everything of any value thus far.

[Majiffy]

Because I haven't seen any actual reasons yet.

[Majiffy]

Shrug.

[Majiffy]

Spoiler:

#208: Do not lynch Majiffy. Listen to song if disagree. Then come to conclusion that he is town this game.

... You town read me from me posting a song?

Anyway, I'm not happy with this post as a whole. Seems like you approached it with reads in mind and then retroactively picked posts to support.

[Majiffy]

... You town read me from me posting a song?

Anyway, I'm not happy with this post as a whole. Seems like you approached it with reads in mind and then retroactively picked posts to support.

Icebox.

[Majiffy]

Fun fact: that doesn't actually address any of the qualms I brought up in my post.

Now address my post, please.

[Majiffy]

Why the fuck would you claim already? -.-

[Majiffy]

I have no idea. But either way; no one has stated intent.
Derp.

[Majiffy]

Leaving it in your capable hands Jiffy

There are a number of entities trying to lynch my capable hands

[Majiffy]

*Awoken

[Majiffy]

And you're lucky, I'm pulling an all nighter because I have to go back into work in about 5 hours. So I'll be here for your posting pleasure.

[Majiffy]

icebox, just so you know, i share majiffys and selkies view that your big ass post looked wierd.

majiffy, get sleep, no one is getting lynched yet. are you still having me and selkies as top two scum ? if so there is nothing to talk about.

Nah sleep ain't happening; I'm nowhere near tired, and like I said, up in like 5 hours. Wouldn't be worth trying to sleep now.

And yes.

has selkies decided to get a life or something?

I went to their houses and brutally murdered them.

[Majiffy]

Dude I love the Phenomenauts.

[Majiffy]

Oh also Varsoon has lost his town read with me.

[Majiffy]

Icebox has reinforced his.

[Majiffy]

NOPE

You change your avatar to the beautiful culted one I made for you, beyotch.

[Majiffy]

Thank god at least someone isn't retardedly reading Sven as town.

[Majiffy]

I do, but he has close company. Scummy or anti town, no loss. We give the active posters more time

See, it's posts like these...

[Majiffy]

Bring it on, you big dumb Swede.

[Majiffy]

Lol

[Majiffy]

Waiting on him to post. Plus, IIRC, he's at L-1.

[Majiffy]

Oh.

[Majiffy]

Nope.

[Majiffy]

If that's the case you should probably just claim. This game has come to a standstill.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Disturbed

[Majiffy]

If that's the case you should probably just claim. This game has come to a standstill.

VOTE: Disturbed

Holy fucking no.

Something to share with the class?

Rach is getting townier for some unknown reason. Varssoon shots up then crashes down.

I am more in the " avoid retarded lynch" mind set right now.

YOU, MY FRIEND, ARE ON A RETARDED LYNCH

Oh lol

[Majiffy]

If that's the case you should probably just claim. This game has come to a standstill.

VOTE: Disturbed

Holy fucking no.

Something to share with the class?

Rach is getting townier for some unknown reason. Varssoon shots up then crashes down.

I am more in the " avoid retarded lynch" mind set right now.

YOU, MY FRIEND, ARE ON A RETARDED LYNCH

Oh lol

[Majiffy]

Woah double post.

[Majiffy]

Yeah better watch out for that scum quickhammer day one cuz that's a real danger.

[Majiffy]

Sven why do you have to take all the fun out of life?

[Majiffy]

This megapost better be worth the wait, I'm getting bored over here.

[Majiffy]

this site is sucha lol house when it comes to participating in games that you sign up for.

Participation? No one ever said anything about that!

[Majiffy]

We can fix this by putting your vote back on DO. If he flips scum, Selkies is his partner 100%.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, if we get an active sub for disturbed there is no need for a claim right? I mean the dude had like 10 posts, the sub would basicly be starting fresh.

I just doubt any sub would be motivated with 32 pages plus the rate we're going at.

Orcinus and I have not been able to talk in depth about the game in over 24 hours and a lot has happened. And we need to go over it all together. When that's done and our ducks are in a row we may even agree that a DO lynch is the best option atm. I am just flipping out over people getting to L-1 without our input.

Weren't you both just posting simultaneously? Also, chill on the control freak, eh?

[Majiffy]

That we lynch someone that you havent signed off on?

Well at least there's something we can agree on.

[Majiffy]

Baby you keep me hard for days.

[Majiffy]

Orcinus and I have not been able to talk in depth about the game in over 24 hours and a lot has happened. And we need to go over it all together.

[Majiffy]

No. I've seen him freaking out at L-1 so I was expecting him to freak out.

Would this be a scum or a town reaction?

[Majiffy]

[Majiffy]

Oh I'm not drinking, I'm at work. @.@

[Majiffy]

What do you do for a living majiffy?

Recording engineer with supplementary income from part time jobs.

[Majiffy]

Oh god not her.

[Majiffy]

My vote is officially policy and won't be moving for the rest of the dayphase.

[Majiffy]

LOL, Majiffy, cliff me in on her. Dont troll, give me usefull stuff.

In English?

[Majiffy]

I don't like the notion this "town" voting bloc (and not just because I'm not a part of it).

They're actually incredibly effective.

[Majiffy]

Anyway re: DGB, not sure how much I can elaborate on as the game is still ongoing, but she's a very anti-town player.

[Majiffy]

And I don't mean that in the "eh we'll get over it" kind of way, I mean malignant cancer that is already in stage IV for any town ever.

[Majiffy]

If town starts working together as a collective, scum has to focus on destroying the collective first, rather than focusing on PRs and supporting mislynches, because otherwise the bloc will widdle down the remaining players to a town autowin scenario. Which is why, in general, they're a really pro-town thing to get going.

[Majiffy]

If town starts working together as a collective, scum has to focus on destroying the collective first, rather than focusing on PRs and supporting mislynches, because otherwise the bloc will widdle down the remaining players to a town autowin scenario. Which is why, in general, they're a really pro-town thing to get going.

We like this comment.

I've been hinting to orcinus that we should take you out of our scumpile. You're helping my case.

- f

You can thank Mollie. I was a firm individualist until I started playing with her. Now I'm much more open to actually working with others instead of just lynching anyone in my way

In regards to your slot, I like you and dislike Orci. So it's leaving me a bit jaded. Warm him up for me so I can actually try to read you instead of being repulsed by his behavior.

Blergh, the townblock in this game consists of your 2 strongest scum reads, something I feel like you would mention here.

You are offcourse right about everything in your post thou.

I'm discussing theory, not the merits of the currently proposed block. For what it's worth, I'm a bit disappointed that I reached out to DBK, Varsoon and Iceblock and received nothing but the cold sholder.

If town starts working together as a collective, scum has to focus on destroying the collective first, rather than focusing on PRs and supporting mislynches, because otherwise the bloc will widdle down the remaining players to a town autowin scenario. Which is why, in general, they're a really pro-town thing to get going.

But that still assumes that the bloc is actually all town. Otherwise, infiltrator scum could influence the bloc to get a mislynch and then pick up who they want at night.

That's why you only do it with your firmest town reads. Either way, though, it tends to become glaringly obvious if there's a non-town entity involved by endgame

[Majiffy]

FUCKING FUCK

haha you suck

[Majiffy]

Eh IDK about that, my experience with town blocks tends to be pretty effective.

[Majiffy]

I love arbitrary links to games with no reference of what I'm looking for, what players I should be reading, etc!

Really makes me want to read it.

[Majiffy]

Fun.

Also, if Sven is any Captain, he'd be Captain Tony.

[Majiffy]

y u no put me in list

[Majiffy]

DGB WHY ARE YOU IGNORING ME.

Also, good, looks like your reads are roughly congruent to me this game. Maybe we can learn to get along.

[Majiffy]

Oh wait missed the not ever.

Nevermind, carry on being an idiot.

[Majiffy]

confirm

VOTE: DGB

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, Icebox...connect the dots?

She made no effort to read me. She arbitrarily said "post #250 and trolling", listed me under scum, and didn't elaborate on anything, despite my very obvious attempts to get her to do so.

In general: I am thinking something about those reads Goofball has written. I want to know what you think about it. In general, I think: "Slipped out the gate" But what slip do you think it is?

I don't really see any slips. Just anti-town.

[Majiffy]

She made no effort to read me.

I read you as scum.

[Majiffy]

D_O's reaction strikes me as townish, but I've seen plenty of scum freak out in the same way. Still, probably seen more town do that than scum.

... There was no freak out. He replaced out. This post is epic bullshit.

[Majiffy]

D_O's reaction strikes me as townish, but I've seen plenty of scum freak out in the same way. Still, probably seen more town do that than scum.

... There was no freak out. He replaced out. This post is epic bullshit.

http://youtu.be/4LZcMv0H1bI
AVAST! EPIC BULLSHIT ON YONDER SHORE! SCRIBE IT IN YE TOMES, THIS BE THE BULLSHIT OF LEGEND, MATES.


You're getting scummier by the post, man.

Have you been huffing glue? How about instead of deflecting, you man up and start posting legitimately?

You're officially on my scum list. Your behavior the past 24 hours has been reprehensible.

[Majiffy]

Selkies, you want to lynch the person trying to catch up?

Thats fantastic, lol town.

@icebox, you can link me to posts where you fail at math?

How about the fact that I called out her read on me as bullshit, and all she could respond with was "i read you as scum"? That slot is

not

town.

[Majiffy]

I'll be back in about an hour. Heading home.

[Majiffy]

asdgf lynch this shit please

[Majiffy]

Well that's 2/3 known players with experience playing with DGB calling her scum.

Orci come put the last nail in the coffin so we can lynch this little scumbutt.

p-edit: mother of god all those posts

[Majiffy]

Majiffy what's your revised list? Because my read on you is improving and I want to work something out with you

Rach and Icebox are firm town reads. I like your partner. DBK was being really ehhh prior to his replacing out, not sure if that's just bullheaded/blinders or if I read him wrong initially. Don't like Varsoon,

Really

don't like DBK. I can deal with Sven for now. Still nothing on Jen, would like some direct interaction to read that slot... Am I missing anyone?

Fery and I are both sitting on Varsoon and DGB lynch today, we're taking over which one we want first right now and if majiffy calls me lining up lynches I swear to god I will hurt you

Oh wow for once we can agree.

Also stop lining up lynches you scumbutt.

[Majiffy]

Well, I'm town.

Whatever, I'll be mocking you and your terrible reads from the Dead QT.

I can't mock Icebox because she's scum, or Jennifer because I never had the pleasure of sparring with her. RachMarie is scum, not Majiffy. My bad.

Godspeed

Good luck town

[Majiffy]

Okay. Selkies is now dead. So grats Goofball.

-Rem

?

[Majiffy]

If you read the next line, Icebox was agreeing with you, Selk.

[Majiffy]

re: modkilled

[Majiffy]

Rem relax hydra QT is not a modkllable thing. whoops NS just said depends on the Mod some might... but Bork did not post anything saying it was not allowed so I doubt he will mk esp w/o a warning. Bork is a fair dude.

For what it's worth, I don't allow outside communication to be quoted in-thread.

[Majiffy]

Can we get back to Varsoon? Orcinus and I are of half a mind that Varsoon should be lynched first, though we think DGB is scum too.

Would prefer DGB but if Varsoon is the more viable of the two, my vote will find its way there.

[Majiffy]

Not metaphorically speaking, I also have a boner.

So I probably won't post for an hour or so.

[Majiffy]

can we spam us to the next page so I don't have to read those two posts ever again

Heh.

[Majiffy]

can we spam us to the next page so I don't have to read those two posts ever again

Heh.

Short posts when you're typing with one hand.

Can you compile a list of why DGB is scum?

Pedit: I HEAVILY doubt that.

ISO me. It's all there.

Here's a primary one

How about the fact that I called out her read on me as bullshit, and all she could respond with was "i read you as scum"? That slot is

not

town.

[Majiffy]

Yeah.

[Majiffy]

Oh and

[Majiffy]

TOP O' THA' PAGE TO YA, LADDIE

[Majiffy]

we need to talk about our icks on this page too

ick:
Boogers
Cooties
Feces
Beats headphones

not ick:
Pirate Mollie
Gin
Harrison Ford
Flowcharts

[Majiffy]

What, no Horatio Alger or Jack Kerouac? How appalling.

[Majiffy]

Yeah, how's your sex life, Sven?

[Majiffy]

I stated openly "What idiot argues against Roger Ebert?"

[Majiffy]

Yes, yes you are.

[Majiffy]

Don't get mad at him, he can't control himself. Look at his location.

[Majiffy]

I wish I was drunkposting I have work in 5 hours.

[Majiffy]

this game.

[Majiffy]

Rach say DGB, that's the right answer.

p-edit: WE'VE GOT A WINNER

JUICE BY RACHMARIE JUICE BY RACHMARIE

GOOOOOO RACHMARIE

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, your progression on me and selkies is kinda wierd... where are we now?

Still think you're scummy but I'm willing to leave you be while we sort the scummier folk like DGB and Varsoon.

I like ff, don't like Orci. Leaves me confused about the slot.

[Majiffy]

PGO shoots anyone that visits it.

Also if DGB flips scum, Selk is confscum due to interaction with DO wagon earlier.

[Majiffy]

Also if DGB flips scum, Selk is confscum due to interaction with DO wagon earlier.

I still need you to explain this because I've been thinking about it and it doesn't make snese.

We stopped the DO wagon, calling for Rach and Sven to unvote.

If DGB were scum (and in your conjecture, if we were scum), why would we divert wagon off a mislynch, and hammer on our buddy's wagon?

... Because DGB was the DO slot.

Sven's attack on you is really bugging me in pages 48 and 49. Looks like scum trying to force a ML on a known PR. He even uses language on page 49 that alludes to his

knowing

you're town.

Also there's his comment on the NK death which has always been a favorite scumtell of mine.

Thinking about switching our vote to Jennifer.

Yeah, that slot needs to post more.

VOTE: Jennifer
Happy with either Varsoon or Sven as well. Most happy with Sven. Please respond to the above.

[Majiffy]

It seemed more like something he'd play off as WIFOM of "well why didn't I die? I'm OBVIOUSLY the towniest person here!"

And that's just scummy as shit.

[Majiffy]

Most of what I got from pages 48-49 is that

Selkies

is fucking stupid town overall, though there was a post or two in there that appeared to consider we could be scum.

Lol

[Majiffy]

It seemed more like something he'd play off as WIFOM of "well why didn't I die? I'm OBVIOUSLY the towniest person here!"

And that's just scummy as shit.

True, but it fits his overall larger than life bragadoccio game persona.

Yeah but that's playstyle/personality (he acts the same outside of games) and not alignment.

The statement itself retains its scumminess.

[Majiffy]

Shrug.

[Majiffy]

Gentlemen, gentlemen. If you're both so convinced the other is scum, how about we work on trying to find each others' partners first, yeah? Day just started, we can always come back to this later.

[Majiffy]

Gentlemen, gentlemen. If you're both so convinced the other is scum, how about we work on trying to find each others' partners first, yeah? Day just started, we can always come back to this later.

"gentlemen".

Who is Svenskt's partner, then?

IDK I don't look for associative tells until I get a flip.

[Majiffy]

It was a coy way of telling you to look into other wagons.

[Majiffy]

Sure.

[Majiffy]

Idk waiting on Jennifer to post I guess.

[Majiffy]

Can we wagon varsoon pretty please

-o

What's wrong with wagoning Jennifer at the moment?

[Majiffy]

not productive

and varsoon is pretty obvscum imo

I'm in agreeance with the latter, but we really need more input from Jennifer before we go ending this day phase.

[Majiffy]

Uh oh, won't be long now...

[Majiffy]

I've forgotten whom I've had my vote on plenty of times.

[Majiffy]

Not too often, but every once in a while. I'd say maybe like once or twice a month.

I think a big part of it is the number of games I'm in, so if it's a really slow-moving game I forget wtf is going on between posts.

[Majiffy]

I agree with your line of questioning re: Rach, though.

[Majiffy]

I kinda think its Jennifer/jiffy right now, dont think its majiffy/vansoor alot of the times after majiffy votes jennifer. And el oh el at vote logic.

Translated into English?

[Majiffy]

Yeah she is. But frankly unless scum wants to claim ITT I don't think we have to worry about quickhammers.

[Majiffy]

I bet next Rach is going to come up with some kind of lame excuse like having an ear infection or something.

[Majiffy]

reasoning in line with potato counting

Bold claim. Got reasons to back that up?

I mean, selk is the one that got dgb lynched

Lol

Then there is the fact that he has you and me as scum... thats scummy aswell.

I'm gonna start calling you Buddy Holly.

[Majiffy]

Also I think you'll note that I was on the DGB wagon before either you OR Selkies.

[Majiffy]

ACTUALLY NO

[Majiffy]

NO
NO NO NO

VOTE: SVEN

THIS WHOLE ARGUMENT IS GIANT FUCKING LYING BULLSHIT

[Majiffy]

Big post incoming. We're lynching Sven today.

[Majiffy]

Lets start with this,

Majiffy ends up on a wagon with me and selkies, two of whom he has suspected the entire game. One would think that he would be like "hmm I dont think DGB is flipping scum here because there are alot of scummy people on her wagon" but instead he goes "if dgb flips scum then selk is scum too"

, reasoning in line with potato counting. I mean, selk is the one that got dgb lynched,

so either majiffy is remarkably bad at finding scum and general deduction OR he is scum and wants to sound like he dont know which way the flip will fall.

Then there is the fact that he has you and me as scum... thats scummy aswell. I player that is decent should pick up on the fact that selk and me are kinda the only ones trying, but no, majiffy goes loco and tunnels.

This post is horribly, wretchedly, in-your-face demonstrably wrong and scummy. Allow me to demonstrate.

Bolded:

Spinning something

I could not have ever been in the position to change

as somehow scummy on my end. Selkies voted AFTER me. Sven QUICKHAMMERED IN THE VERY NEXT POST. How could I ever possibly have any choice in being on a wagon with two players I had scum reads on? Answer: I couldn't.

Underlined

: Using the above faulty and blatant-lie reasoning above to discredit me and sling mud at me.

Italicized

: Blatant buddying and tying himself in with a claimed PR.

THIS IS 100% WITHOUT A DOUBT SCUM BEHAVIOR.

But wait! There's more!

It also doesnt make sense since he has no problem being on a wagon with both you and me.

I just cant belive a townie would think that selkies would be scum with dgb after selkies brings it to L-1 and asks me to hammer.

Look at how closely these obviously contradictory statements are.

THIS NEEDS TO DIE. ROPE. NOW.

[Majiffy]

How about what you think about Sven's really fucking obvscum play all day?

[Majiffy]

Show me how the fuck his behavior that I've outlined is town in the least.