Micro 158: borkgame (Game Over)

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SHEEP ⑨

VOTE: Disturbed_One

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A BATTLE OF THE HYDRAS! WHO WILL WIN? WHO IS THE BETTER HYDRA? ARE THEY BOTH TOWN? CAN 4 HEADS BE BETTER THAN 2? WHY IS ONE HYDRA TRYING TO EARN MY RAGE BY VOTING OBVIOUS TOWN SUCH AS I? REM HULK DOES NOT KNOW, BUT REM AIMS TO FIND OUT.

FOR THE OTHER'S CONVENIENCE, HULK SMASH!
http://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist.p ... le&u=20731
http://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist.p ... le&u=20765

WILL YOU BE HONORABLE HYDRA AND RECIPROCATE? ONLY TIME WILL TELL.

PEDIT: NEVERMIND. *goes home*

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Hi.

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Good question: GIF: How do you want this to go? Respond in thread for their convenience.

On my part: I want to have fun and want to make this as pleasant as possible for the both of us. We will discuss our opinions and players actions and come to a consensus since we only have one vote. If we can't come to a consensus, I will compromise (or vote when he is sleeping )

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@Myself: sure. We'll do that.

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Icebox is GiF and Rememberance (

Rem is the goofy one, but he is funny and entertaining

)..

Selkies you are Orc and ?

VOTE: Rachmarie Blatant, buddying. Sheep me.

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Hey I can be funny too.

Scum 1: yo dawg how did u escape the town tunnel
Scum 2: dat B eazie bro. I just AtE my way out!

...ok it was terrible.

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@Orc: Do you have any other completed scumgame except for that speed one? I would really appreciate it.

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Already reading it.

-Rem. He's reading Orc's games, I'm reading yours.

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VOTE: RachMarie

Waginz.

^L-1

Fuck. Hydra slip in page 3.

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Svenskt is all making these absolute statements and stuff.
That's kinda super scum, right?

>"Hey he's doing something scummy, right?"
>No vote

VOTE: Varsoon

Explain those "absolute statements" please.

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Why would you not put your vote on a person who you think is scummy?
Also I would prefer hearing you explain with your own words rather than going back and read. What do you mean by "absolute statements?"

@P-Edit: Sven wat

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@Rach: Varsoon doesn't do RVS. I was with him last game and he didn't do it. (He was town.)

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It's going okay. I'm on page 10. A lot of wall posts by the acting method, I make sure to read them to get the context of the game, but it is slowing me down.

-Rem.

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It's night time and it's time to sneak my vote off while GIF isn't looking.

VOTE: RachMarie

Read Sven as town for unvoting her.
Then read Bo as town for defending her slot and voting Sven.

@Bo thoughts?

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No thoughts I guess?

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? Sorry. I don't understand your inference process of my reads.

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What's NLS?

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I still don't understand your reasoning.

Ask your hydra partner to explain.

Basically you think, I think Sven and Bo are town and that I think RachMarie is scum.

I think Rachmarie might be scum.
I think Rachmarie town read them both opportunistically.
Further, she did not seem to disagree with the Sven vote, nor make mention of it.

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Even though she read him as slight town, or what not.

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Also, I'm liking this game's activity so far. Much better than the other Micro's I'm in, already 6 pages deep and it's only been like 6 hours.

I'm going to bed soon then school tomorrow,

any other big questions

you need to ask me between now and...lunch time tomorrow?

PEdit: Was going to question Rach about her 127, but Selkies beat me to it. So I want to know that too.

Only question that matters: Are you scum?

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Lol, okay. Enjoy your lunch and see you then. Maybe.

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Ok. This is what is happening.

Rem thinks Rach is scummy based on her meta and stuff. Me, not so much convinced.

I have played a game with Varsoon before, and the way I'm doing (at least, was doing, thanks to Rem) is the best way to read Varsoon for me, since his thought process is pretty easy to follow. While talking with Varsoon this way, I can see his motive behind his posts easily. Hence my push there. Also about not knowing "absolute statement" is: I'm serious on this one. English is not my native language and sometimes I have hard time understanding some of the words/concept/etc.

Also those "fluffs," well that's Rem for you.

So while Rem is not here, let me continue to do my stuff.
VOTE: Varsoon

Also about those push on Rach, I'll let Rem explain those.

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Also, about Rach L-1 stuff, we're currently discussing about Majiffy's lolL-1 vote. We'll let you know when we reach the consensus.

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Hello D_O. You know that vote puts Rach to L-1, right?

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never mind. L-2 actually.

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L-3, rather. God I wish I had edit feature right now.

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@Selkies: Pretty much.

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But why did both of you ignore Rach while the wagon was building?

Define "Ignore."

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I just remembered that Majiffy doesn't play RVS.

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So I would love to hear from Majiffy why he voted Rach to L-1.

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@Selkies: About Varsoon, yes.

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Well I did comment on Majiffy putting Rach in L-1.

Also, it's not really ignoring the wagon, but rather Rem missing his timing to comment on Rach.

-G

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Do you want a consensus read or do you want my personal read?

-G

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Rach: Null. I'm not quite convince Rach being scum yet but I did take a note of Rach being passive until Majiffy's vote.
Sven: L.Scum imo based on his town meta and stuff.
Selkies: town
Bo: He's kinda in between null and leaning town.
Majiffy/D_O: If you expect me to have a read other than null on them, you're expecting too much from me.
Varsoon: He's being Varsoon all right. My gut says he's town, but I want to make sure since he's the one I'm pretty confident reading.
Jennifer: Is she even here?

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I think he's bit too serious in early game compared to his early town play I've read.

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also, that "stuff" I mentioned earlier fits better with the word "gut."

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No, Jennifer isn't here.

Why is Sven scum based on meta? His play as town is much smoother than his posts here, but as far as we're concerned, it's also markably different from his play as scum.

Also can I assume that unsigned post from you is from orc?

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I think he's bit too serious in early game compared to his early town play I've read.

If this is polygamist, Sven was never under any pressure in that game, so the comparison doesn't really hold.

Rach: Null. I'm not quite convince Rach being scum yet but I did take a note of Rach being passive until Majiffy's vote.
Sven: L.Scum imo based on his town meta and stuff.
Selkies: town
Bo: He's kinda in between null and leaning town.
Majiffy/D_O: If you expect me to have a read other than null on them, you're expecting too much from me.
Varsoon: He's being Varsoon all right. My gut says he's town, but I want to make sure since he's the one I'm pretty confident reading.
Jennifer: Is she even here?

You realize your vote is on Varsoon and that you've never addressed Sven before this point, what's up with that

Pedit: Yeah. I actually think it's easy enough to tell apart our posting, but I'll sign if you want me to.

My read on Sven is the most recent, like as in 20 minutes before I posted my reads here. Also about that polygamist, well... I didn't realize that.
This is what I get for playing this in the morning. I'll go back and re-read that game.

P-Edit: @Jennifer: Everything with Rach was done by Rem, while voting Varsoon was my act. And no, I'm not quite satisfied yet.

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So there's a problem with trying to solidify my read on a person I think I'm confident reading?

What's NLS? Is that a Null Leaning Scum? If that's the case, my response is this: "Varsoon first. We have enough time to get to him later."

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I didn't put my vote on someone I thought as scummy that early because I was making that statement in passing. Furthermore, I didn't want to start a wagon nearly as much as I wanted to gauge the reaction of that player and other players. Stating someone is scummy and not placing a vote is a bit on an unconventional play, neh? It's sure to get the ball rolling somewhere.

Why do you think facking "being scummy" is a good idea for getting a reaction?

Regardless, please forget about last game.
I was town last game.
You won't know if I am town or not this game until I flip.

My point was that you don't do RVS regardless of your alignment.

But, to be fair, my comment about absolute statements and my scum-read without a vote was really reaction testing more than it was serious posting. It, for the most part, worked out.

What kind of reaction were you expecting to get from doing so?

@Majiffy:

That tree.

Stop barking up it.

I don't understand what you mean by this.

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Just throughly read Varsoon's #200. That's town as hell and I see no need to continue this further.
UNVOTE:

But my questions still stand.

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Explanation of RachMarie vote, holding the vote and delaying Gif from voting Sven, and when he changed to Varsoon, why I revoted Marie:

The long version:

It began with meta which, when summarized is: "own cheerleads as scum does a whole lot of nothing otherwise.

Towncheerlead #1:

Sigh.... Already it starts?

Cmon guys n gals lets focus on the game and not insult each other ok.

That does not help us find scum...

^ This to me is pretty much a town cheerlead. She is saying "Stop fighting amongst yourselves! Go scum hunt guys! We can do this, right town buddies?"
But she isn't scum hunting...

no worries Varsoon... I was letting you know I saw you had answered.

ATM I am waiting for peeps to post (still need a number of peeps posting) Probably will be a few hours before Majiffy posts since like I said he is off frolicking with Mollie...

Meanwhile I am asking questions of peeps as they post to see if I can start pegging peeps into town and scum piles.

^ Self-Narrates, does not actually do what is said beyond the questions posed to Varsoon. There does not seem to be a post which asked her to explain this at all.

ehhh I think it would be kinda silly to end the day before we have any real discussion.

However I see Sven's unvote as a town move to prevent the day ending early by someone derp hammering.

^ Positive reinforcement of unvote. Town reads Sven for this.

DID you just OMGUS me Majiffy?

^ I believe this has been answered, but I understood it as bristling at the time. OMGUS accusations when being put at L-1 seemed contrived.

umm already answred about you Sven and you just confirmed my reasoning.

The fact that Icebox (even if one of the heads messed up and posted under his main, made a point to let peeps know I was at L-1 also seems towny.

Majiffy's vote of all seems the most scummy, but I have played a lot of games with him so willing to see what he has to say.

Meanwhile as I said peeps have not yet posted and its what page 2? no way is town ready for the day to end yet.

1. More caution praise.

Bo goes in my town pike after a post like that ...

BTW Bo I am sure Majiffy will splain after Mollie leaves... he is rather distracted.

Because it is RVS is one of the reasons (along with knowing Majiffy pretty well from playing many games with him plus having him in a game I modded), is why I have not pushed much on it.

^ Gets a town read from Bo, reciprocates. Does not question the Sven vote, even though she had him as slight town.

That last statement was for Selkies... sorry about that hit enter too soon.

Yeah DO and Jen need to post. I know from experience that DO is good at being either town or scum, and I really dont know Jen that well,,, So yeah

want more postin goin on

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I would be happy to provide you scum game links Selikies.

^ Strikes up town points. consistent in the pressing need for more posts. Does not seem to be doing much other than giving reads.

And then I voted her.

Trying to catch up. But going to watch a movie and then need to catch some shut eye.

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short version

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Ok so what about Disturbed One? How easy is he to get a read from?

Medium, I would say.

-G

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Sure. I'll leave Rach bizz to Rem. What do u want to talk about?

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Rach: L.Scum(R)/Null(G)
Sven: L.Scum(G)/Null(R)
Selkies: L.Town(G)/L.Town(R)
Bo: Null(G)/L.Scum(R)
Majiffy: Majiffy
D_O:
Jennifer:
Varsoon: Town(G)/Town(R)

*You may take "Null" as "Didn't really look into yet"

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Sure. I'll leave Rach bizz to Rem. What do u want to talk about?

Hm, lets start with who you are voting. I am to lazy to check. Who and why?

I think Rem was supposed to vote Rach, but surprisingly it's at no one at the moment. I asked Rem if that was accidental or intentional. Waiting for his response.

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Rach really didn't had time to respond to her L-1 wagon because of quick unvote imo. (Guess who did the unvote ).
As I mentioned before, I have noted Rach playing passively. If she continue to do this, I'm giving her a "L.Scum" read.

EDIT:Ooh posts. I'm just gonna submit this and read.

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Ugh I read through Rach's big post only to realize that there's no read on any of the slots.

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Why are both of you leaning town on Selkies?

Because Selkies vs Majiffy looked TvT. That's my explanation.

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Majiffy: Majiffy

Lol'd. Why does everyone always refuse to read me?!

Because you were meant to sheeped, not read.

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[quote="LazyMarie]yeah I agree give Jiffy time[/quote]
What part of my post made you think of this?

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yeah I agree give Jiffy time

What part of my post made you think of this?

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IMO we should wait for D_O a bit more. He's a total lurksack when he's scum.

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IMO we should wait for D_O a bit more. He's a total lurksack when he's scum.

That's the point of my vote.
Gives him some reason to actually come into the game and make himself transparent.

IMO we should wait for D_O a bit more. He's a total lurksack when he's scum.

I dont get this man, wont pressure get him more willing to post?

I don't know what I was thinking there either. Something in my mind is having a problem wth D_O wagon right now and I don't know why.

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So there are 2 scums in this game, right? (Based on the 9-players setup)

Right now, I'm feeling that Majiffy and Selk are scum.

Except for that they both can't be scum at the same time.

@Selkies: Normally, doing something scummy and calling it a reaction is scummy as hell. However, for Varsoon, it really doesn't work that way. Last game, he literally quickhammered for "reaction test" and he was town.
Have you read Varsoon's first game?

And yeah Varsoon is still town 4 me.

@ Varsoon its them not him Selkies is a hydra of two players (Orc and fery).

What part of I need more from the players who have not yet posted did you miss?

No I dont have set reads yet, because at this point we have like half the players posting loads and the other half have posted almost zippo. I am supposed have figured out the 2 scum from that already?

WHY U KEEP BEING USELESS

Oh I see V/S made up. ok.

1. Peeps read me as scummy when I am Town.

Then you got a problem.
Anyway, that argument doesn't really do anything.

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Still waiting for Rem. Betcha it's gonna land on Rach.

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I think the general stuff here is "i don't mind switching wagons any time as long as I'm voting my scumread."

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bo + ice + selkies + mr awesome = forever?

and who is that mr awesome?

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Also, Rem actually did meant to vote Rach when he made a case on her.

VOTE: RachMarie

L-2.

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He's catching up. RL issue got him I believe. He's preparing his catching up BFP (Big F*cking Post.)

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mind explain to me the bolding of "when"?

Generally, "when (name) flips town" implies that you know he's town.

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VOTE MAJIFFY

Dat OMGUS.

If I have to read OMGUS one more time, I'll break something.

Yo dawg I herd you liek OMGUS so I OMGUS your OMGUS while you OMGUS my OMGUS
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Seriously, I think it's a good time for me to look over Sven/Majiffy/Rach again.

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VOTE MAJIFFY

Dat OMGUS.

If I have to read OMGUS one more time, I'll break something.

Yo dawg I herd you liek OMGUS so I OMGUS your OMGUS while you OMGUS my OMGUS
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Seriously, I think it's a good time for me to look over Sven/Majiffy/Rach again.

What?

Guess who has Rach as null, Sven as L.Scum, and Majiffy as Majiffy?
←This guy.

So I'm gonna read up again.
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FUCK YEAH I FINISHED THIS POST.

These packets consists of analysis and responding to what people say in specific posts. Not really easy to navigate: At the very least, check your own bag because I kind of have questions mixed in there.

I think Rach is a good information lynch. Probably scum. If not, plenty to analyze as far as the wagon goes and who voted, unvoted, moved vote and tried to move wagon.

Sven

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Sven:
#86 by Sven. Interesting or other such words are a bit scummy, but he quoted someone.
#99 Isn't really what scum say.
#198: Doesn't answer a few questions, that should be answered.
#211: Sven is being me right then when dealing with extremely active posters. Sometimes you need to cut people off to do your own brand of scum hunting. Self-conscious question. Uh, town do this kinda thing as much as scum, Null. Summarizes two players playstyles. Which lends credence to his view that his reasoning of thinking Sven is town, makes sense. Sorta fence sitting here though.
#213: I agree.
#220: I buy response 1, but he ignores 2 and 3. It would not have hurt just to say, "well, I play with meta in mind." But he chose not to. Don't understand response to 3.
#221: Cutting too many people off. You may ignore Orc, if life gets in the way of feasibly being able to deal with his constant questioning, which is simply difficult to answer. But Bo, you should pay attention to.
#222 Points out he is serious in ignoring the both of them.
#225: Clearly shows he is not actually ignoring them. *points out obvious*
#230: False dilemma. More importantly, consistency in reads and suspicion and starting to bring these suspicious things UP.
#237: Scum don't say this.
#256: Still sensitive to suspicion I think this fits in line with his early defensiveness against Selkie, I think he might just actually not like being questioned and pressured.
#288: Town point hunting: or actually towning it up.
#371: Scum don't say this. They break expectations, more methodically.
#377: Reading my mind. Which is a town tell.
#413: It will be a headache for town too. It greatly depends on how successful the early day is as far as discerning town.
#440: More fucking mind reading.
#467: Knows what is up.

DoesBoKnow.

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Bo:
#104 fails to mention why Selkies is prob town, but puts him there. Points out possibly scummy things people do, on almost everyone.
#108 is odd, like he's trying to remember his own position.
#109 last line proving the point that he's literally remembering what his position is... Are scum this obvious? Hmm.
#113 "doesn't feel right to me"
#120 does not answer my question, "In case she could be scum and use it against us"
#126: hmm. Interpreted for me. Rebuffs Rach.
#130: Eager to answer questions about himself. Probably need to take him up on this to get more information on this. Might be townie to do, but on the other hand, it might just be him trying to gain town points so as not to be the lynch today.
#134: Middle line is probably bullshit.
#157: ... Intermediating, possibly a town one. Reminds me of town Mozamis. Hmm. Will think on this post. Still pushing for that Rach wagon though.
#209: Scumdar alert. Paints everyone as scummy. Moves against Varsoon condescending.
#216: More intermediating, more translation, more summarization.
#228: Anti-town.
#270: Back pedals, probably moving to Rach. More summarization, more interpreting for others.
#307: *sigh*
#319: *sigh*
#Starting to think Bo misrepped Selkie.
#341: Checked wiki: You lurk usually as scum. So it's quite relevant. Why the preemptive defensiveness? Why did you make this post?
#545: Misreps and strawmans everyone, no one was giving you shit for not posting. They were reacting to what you've said and done.
#587: Woo boy. I called the Rach move. Hmm. A lot of interpreting, a lot of making sense of things. This post might be for him as much as it is for us.
#589: His reads align with mine, which is probably a good pro-town thing that usually happens when two town think the same way. On the other hand, there has been stuff that I find irrepairably worrying. Putting at lean town for these posts. Will never reach probably town.
#625: Disagree. It is the rare scum partner who defends his scum partner, but Majiffy is that kind of guy. That said, still think Majiffy might be town.
#630: Oho.

Rach continuation:

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Rach continuation:
#127: A difference in thought process Can't tell if scummy or not. Already starting the "i look scummy as town thing" which is legitimate. She has had a lot of trouble with this. The trick is to figure out if her moves have been scummy to be actual scum or just RachMarie being RachMarie.
#142: I read newbie 1318: She tried to paint people as scummy quite a bit. Had reads by post 160. Also cheerlead there, asked for activity, called Omgus when put to L-2 in the game LOL. Gave town points to people that defended her, gave town points to towny people who posted town-like near her wagon. LOL. Tried to shift attention LOL. Something to think on.
#355: What.
#359: *Shiver*
#373: Really should have reads by now.
#402: I am sad: but understand. Varsoon does not need leeway.
#423: Good vote, bad post. Dangerous vote because it is a lurker vote which is what scum do. Good vote because D_O is suspicious. He is not really good at being scum. He's okay(take it as a personal challenge if you're scum again D_O!)
#434: Fair, I think you need to just learn to live with the fact you're never going to be able to respond to everything and just pick and choose what to respond to. Pick the right, things to respond to as either alignment and people will let it pass.
#450: "Can we please get back to the game?" More cheerleading. Shhh, we know what to do.
#483: I'm just sad at this point. I don't think Rach could keep up in this game as either alignment, perhaps that is why she is still doing this even though people are pointing out it is scummy.
#485: More cheerleading. You need to break this habit if you flip scum. This is seriously lining up with your scum meta.
#541: Actual content. Makes sense.
#546: 1. They read you scummy as town, true. But you also play scummy as scum. Which is equally true. 2. I like replacing it too. 3. You need to look for town patterns too. You're not. They're easier to pick up on. Good question to Bo.549
#549: I don't understand this or the analysis thereof. Oh it was a meta analysis or something.
#588: Worried this might be true. But then you scum painted Sven. Which was scummy.
#What bugs me the most right now is how easy this is. You keep getting voted and no one seems to mind. The upside is, that only my town-leans, minus D_O who jumped off has voted you.

Selkies.

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#132: Says what Bo is doing (giving reads early) is scummy.Does not pursue it.
#140: Wants to excuse Rach. I think this leads to a trend of Orc Hydra defending her. He quickly makes a case against us in #141
#143 makes a case against Varsoon which would be odd, if it wasn't obvious that he is trying to pressure everyone for information.
#161 last line is strange, she thinks there is scum on the wagon, but not elaborate.
#207: Blow fishing it up. Trying to make himself seem larger than he is. Intimidated~ Trying to push Varsoon down. Normal personality type. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the game.
#227: Worthless follow up questions are worthless.
#232: What is this post. Is there some sort of file for RVS questions and out of RVS questions? Did I miss the meeting?
#255: Talking this out. Is protown~
#265: I imagine she eventually explained this unvote.I hope she did. -f.
#268: Lol. I agree, very scummy of yourself to do that. -f. Townie post.
#269: Yeah his case was bad, but you responded the wrong way to it.
#275: Wifom: But town and scum do this. Answered this question in #332
#290: The "You don't know me!" post.
#Selkies: Orc is way to involved in his posts, arguments and reads to be scum this game.
#301: "I'm town this game" Only town me does this! Maybe it is true for -f as well.
#317: (checks file) RVS question.
#328: When did you withdraw it? The case on us I mean.
#334: Uncalled for. Majiffy is reading the thread. Still, You're proving the point you're too emotionally involved in your arguments and mafia. BUT, this helps get a read on you, so that helps.
#342: Can you explain what you mean by this? Do you mean you think Varsoon laid a trap which lead to your current position at the time of this post?
#366: Reasonable vote.
#400: a possible town slip.
#475: This is par for the course and you should do this Varsoon.

D_O.

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#169: Sheepy. ... Weird.... Possibly scummy.
#552: *Watches with anticipation*

Jennifer.

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#187: Does not know Rach, Rach holds her RVS vote till she has someone she thinks is scum. Very townie initial post. Tries to make insightful questions, might not actually be insightful, but it seems like she is trying to make them insightful. Flip side: trying to get a real feel for the game.
#645: Goes with the flow, but just not the person with the titles flow. Reasonable vote is reasonable. Forecasted vote. Voted. Timing of voting should be noted. While she has not "read" Majiffy, she might have timed the vote.

Varsoon.

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#200: Reading the whole thing. Read the whole thing. A lot of theory here. Points given, points taken away.
His response to post 141 is fence sitting.
His response to 143 makes me bitter, because I reaction tested when I hopped into the old game, by stating I was town as town. Still voted me. "I’m normally normal in games. Also, I agree, there is at least one scum between me, Icebox, and you. PoE lets me know it’s not me, and your posts let me know it’s likely you." Or, it is none of us. False trillemas are dumb.
His response to post 146: Please don't lynch or NK me, I really like this game. Lol, okay, I promise not to vote you until lylo. Because you shouldn't live that long.
Response to 148 and 169: Standard play for him not to like D_O Play.
Response to Jennifer's Post: I made myself way too easy of a target though, and I think that's what you're acknowledging here. <- Varsoon does this as town, it makes him vulnerable, but honesty wins over experienced players as long as you're honest with few inconsistencies. Jennifer estimation is correct.
Last closing bit: Does not really indicate we are town in post, but reads us as town, over Selkies. Probably just trying to gather information, but not really a fan of the town read on Bo either or the town Rach read: WHICH CAME FROM NO WHERE.
#299: Do you like being town or scum more, Varsoon?
#353: "Anyway, kept reading this and Bo's antagonism of Sven seems off." Hmm, more analysis. *gives a town point*
#470: "but the guy who introduced me to the game told me that scum posts pics, links, and gifs, so I'll keep from doing that." 0/1 so far with this scum tell. Furthermore, that was a quick link between D_O and Selkies, I think we've talked about this already. Don't associate without something better than average back it up with.
#510: Orc, obviously shakes people down wrong. But it provides evidence anyway. He is just probably lynched a lot for it. Do not like this vote by Varsoon.
#529: Good vote. Does this vote as town. Town vote.

Majiffy.

Spoiler:

#208: Do not lynch Majiffy. Listen to song if disagree. Then come to conclusion that he is town this game.
#223: Read us as town! I am town! Good job Majiffy!
#250: True on Selkies. Varsoon wagon? Yeah, I can see why you wouldn't like it. I don't really think a scum has voted Varsoon at the point at which those 3 votes were on him.
#272 Noticing everything that is wrong with Selkie's posts and actions, which is...Good scum hunting. so far, not thinking Selkies is scum though.
#291: Sven, easy mislynch? Maybe. I don't know.
#417: Pretty sure we could not. D_O is where he belongs.
#Will finish this last bit and Iso him. But, I think he slightly town.

Summary:

Town:
Sven
Selkie
Varsoon
Townish:
Jennifer
Majiffy
Null:
D_O
Bo. I'll put him in the town or scum pile after flip.
Scum:
Rach.

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I am talking about the movements related to everyone else regarding her lynch. Her death just from HER posts won't give much. But those who have reacted to this wagon, it will reveal a lot on.

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Varsoon's post 200 is so spoiler-filled that I'm not gong to try to quote it and insert my observations.

I asked earlier about mafia experience and that post is bristling with mafia theory (rather unique theory in my estimation) so I'll retract that question.
His reply to Bo's 104 is interesting. He explains that his non-voting post about scummy absolute statements was a reaction test, but seems ambivalent about the utility of such testing.

More interesting game theory. I think I remember reading a game played to this theory once. It was painful to read. One town special after another was put to L-1, and forced to out before a vanilla townie was finally lynched. I lost interest after reading into day 2 and found something less depressing to do.

Here the previously ambivalent reaction test is now a trap, which other-Selkies has haplessly wandered into.

Will get to his scum reads in a bit.

@Varsoon, I'm reluctant to just dismiss this as scummy. I'm going to break down and read your previous MS game.

- f

I am asking what you meant by this. Do you think that Varsoon's reaction test, is actually a trap meant to trap town to get a mislynch? I didn't understand what you meant either, probably why the question is hard to understand.

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#680: Okay. I get it now.
#681: What I meant by this is that even though your reasoning states that you think Rach is scum because your scum reads vote her, you didn't explain why each vote was particularly scummy, which is what I wanted you to elaborate on.

Please Note I responded to each post individually and it is not conducive to the whole, I caught up.

Not sure how to format response to 672 without making it look god awful.

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Spoiler:

#208: Do not lynch Majiffy. Listen to song if disagree. Then come to conclusion that he is town this game.

... You town read me from me posting a song?

Anyway, I'm not happy with this post as a whole. Seems like you approached it with reads in mind and then retroactively picked posts to support.

A joke. I also liked the music and kept it on repeat while catching up, which kept my motivation up. In a way, it actually was protown. However, The possibly town read comes entirely from response to #272. And your analysis of Selkie's play.

Onto Orc's questions.
Going to format it like this: I will respond to each Bolded black point top to bottom as 1,2,3,4,5,6.

2. It would be odd because he had hardly posted yet, but you built a large case on him.
6. Okay.
7. "This is a really weak reason for calling us protown." I am saying it is pro-town to talk things out, did it sound like it made you obv. town? I look for town and scum tells. Talking things out, is protown. Not communicating is anti-town, you might say "but what about Sven" and the answer to that is "Because he ultimately communicated with you even though he said he was going to ignore you." Read the Sven spoiler for more on this. Rach has pointed this out too, in her own way.
13. It isn't, it's my general interpretation, if wrong, I apologize.

#400: a possible town slip.
What exactly?"

"brain needs to process what I've been reading" While this can be interpreted as "I need to process the game because I need to figure out how to not get lynched and get town mislynched -Scum Selkie" I think it more likely to be: "I need to think abut this game to figure out who is town and who is scum. -Town Selkie" which scum don't have to do because they already know who is town and who is scum. It doesn't actually make any sense to put this sentence in there for scum Selkie.

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^ This posts makes me sad for more than one reason. Hope you feel better.

Not sure if I still want to lynch yet. Will discuss with GIF. Might be worth digging around some more.

-Rem.

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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

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Good morning Sven.
Gif is thinking about it, but I'm sold. I'll join a town bloc. I've made one before, and it worked pretty well (the scum were paralyzed by it and they had to waste all their night kills killing the bloc).
*nudges Varsoon* He should join too. He has been very townie.

-Rem

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Okay. Ask away. I have been told I am a bit of a derp recently.

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Hmm
I'm actually starting to think D_O might be scum. He was a total lurksack when he was scum in my first game.

-G

P-Edit: eh I still don't see majiffy as scum -.-

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Sure.

VOTE: Disrurbed_One

P-edit x2: gawd stop dat posting for a bit. Let me freaking submit

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Wait. D_O is in L-1. Right? I'm gonna check.

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VC:

Rach
Icebox
Varsoon
Sven.

Ew.

-Rem

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Yup. L-1.

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Might want to unvote there, partner.

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Don't feel like it yet. D_O's L-1 reaction is gold.

-G

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Wat

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@Icebox you said DO's reaction to L-1 is gold.

Is this what you were talking about?

No. I've seen him freaking out at L-1 so I was expecting him to freak out.

Iceblox, who wrote 672? Is the list at the bottom collaborative?

That was Rem (as I "warned" you guys previously), and that's rem's personal reads.

If he's getting replaced, there's no reason to continue this.
UNVOTE:

This head is now leaning on Rach town a bit.

-G

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@S: I agree with most of then except for rach and sven.

@M: last game when I played with him, he was scum. Regardless of that, I find it easier to read ppl who freaks out at L-1.

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@majiffy as town still, and bo as null.

I'm pretty sure there are scums in my null list.
(Bo, D_O, sven)

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Well you could call those "null" as "scumlist" if it makes you feel better.

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Afaik, WK is usually town2town or scum2town.

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Counter point: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=25952

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Okay okay, jeez.

I made a town block with Bacde and Slandaar. I was right with both players. Bacde got killed. We replaced him with Superdeclan. He was town too. Scum were fucked.

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@Majiffy: You're more experienced than I, and generally I pay attention to this and appreciate coaching to try to improve:

In general: I am thinking something about those reads Goofball has written. I want to know what you think about it. In general, I think: "Slipped out the gate" But what slip do you think it is?

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...Lol, okay.

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The reads are a good positioning of those that could be lynched.

Jennifer read: is based off of almost nothing.
Icebox: While Gif is a good person who knows how play without getting suspected, I don't know how to do that.
Varsoon is a newbie lynch. And I'm pretty sure he is town this game.
Majiffy has been a line up lynch for a while, slowly moving away from it, Dripping moving into reversing this momentum climb.

It is a perfectly valid, extremely awesome scum list of reads that fall line by line into a town loss. They're opportunistic, and there are two town possibly 3 in that scum list. She excuses RachMarie's play, but comes down hard on Jennifer because of meta. But meta only excuses so much.

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I'm very convinced that you're scum.

You used meta on Rachmarie.

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You said "wishy washy as usual" which means you're relying on her meta to excuse this aspect of her play.

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Yes. It is bullshit. We should still lynch Goofball. Want to lynch it so bad right now. scumdar senses tingling. My thoughts, on the matter.

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I do that a lot as town Sven. I can link you to instances of them if you want.

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Probably! One time I said "One of you is scum" to two different players. You've done this too. With your false dilemmas, Selikies orc has as well. Where he says one of the three is scum.I also said 0/2 to scum when he said his two scumspects even though I had no way of knowing. I have had plenty of time. I think it's just a thing people do.

@DGB: Misrepresentation. Also, we're both guys. Anyone who has read our iso knows we have not been rushing lynches. When I see a scum, I say "lynch the scum."

-Rem.

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*Maybe not Sven, I think I might be misremembering, but Selkies did. It's just a thing. I think.

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This is just my feeling. I've been getting pressured a lot lately and lynched a lot in other games. It's just my self-perception of my own vulnerability.

-Rem.

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#672 information lynch, really?

lrn2Read. What Rem said there was "Rach is scum. But if she flips town, it's really good information lynch." (At least, that's what Rem tells me what he was trying to say)

Yes. It is bullshit. We should still lynch Goofball. Want to lynch it so bad right now. scumdar senses tingling. My thoughts, on the matter.

Now ^this is continual harping to conclude the

easiest

obvious

lynch (me).

She

He

's in a hurry to

lynch scum and

get to the night phase, like a good little

scum

town

.

FTFY

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Anyways, I'm heading downstairs to sew and watch a baseball game.

In case you guys are still pretending to dead set on, ahem, "avoiding easy lynches" (erm, my playerslot is as easy as they get, seriously, Jennifer is an easier lynch than me???), you can go ahead and mislynch me, I'm just a VT, so no big loss.

Lynch Icebox tomorrow, that sob story about being lynched everywhere is scum scum scum.

Also Jennifer is scum scum scum, Lynch her too.

Don't touch any of my sacred town reads.

"Idgaf just lynch me already I'm an easy target"

Yes. Let's. This post is just downright pitiful and I'm calling your bluff.

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Yeah I want clarification on that too Varsoon... are you or are you not a neewbie???

After almost 12 hrs sleep back up again.

I love you too DGB and yeah you are using sort of meta in saying I am wishy washy... Guys n gals get ready to rumble DGB is a very slippery player no matter

what her alignment and yeah I have played with her as scum... Author Mafia I was the Doc (MZB) we had 2 scum teams and she was on one happy to provide the link iffen you want it.

Some of what I know about her I cant reveal due to ongoing games, but yeah go meta stalk her games for a mine of information about how she plays.....

Still feel comfy that slot is scummy.

Do Want.

-Rem

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Goofball, what are you trying to do?

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#1000. Mine.

Sorry. Wanted to do this.

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VOTE: DGB
I forgot that I unvoted last time.

@S: I know it's ignorant of me, but can you summarize your points on scummy varsoon for me?

-G

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Hmm did I hammer?

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Were you scum Goofball? I want to know.

-Rem

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JESUS FUCKING CHRIST NO.

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-_-

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Just fluff? Pretty sure we did more contribution than you and your predecessor combined.
As far as I can see, the only reason you call us scum is because rem's little whining.

-G

P-edit: rem sign your posts.

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Okay. Selkies is now dead. So grats Goofball.

-Rem

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O god. Rem. I hope that doesn't happen.

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M_ _ k _ l _

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Oh. Rem is super worried that you might get modkilled instead of DGB lynch.
About the fluffs. I'm a bit jokey and can't be serious all the time. But I don't think I posted fluffs to the stage that disrupts the gameplay (if it ever did.)

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So what do you think about DGB's #1009?

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I can talk about it.

-Rem.

Give me a sec.

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Basically, about Varsoon: I'm worried about the fact he was more interested in allaying my suspicions instead of coming back to me when I asked why he was annoyed with his role pm. However, his playstyle indicates he tries for honesty above all else as a defense mechanism. This might cause him to slip up often, because of his long posts. Newbies, quite often, slip up on word choice and such. Things such as indicating knowing more than they really do, do in fact happen often. In general, Varsoon should answer your question about why he knows so much. But when you think about it, it's pretty obvious he has read a lot of games and prepared himself before actively participating himself in mafia.

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While it may be a waste of time on your part, it might be a good idea to check out his first newbie game on site to get a feel for his thinking. He tries very hard to be transparent as town. I do not know about his scum game or how he plays as scum. I played a newbie game with him, wherein he was obvious town.

I'll provide this link it's up to you though, it's a long game, the longest day 1 in newbie history. Mostly my fault

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=25954

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* -Rem

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^ I did the same thing: I lurked and read up on 10+ games before putting myself in my first one.

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Sooo much bluffs from DGB that it's atrocious.
(Her #1073 is yet another bluff. "Hammer me I dare you!")

About varsoon, i'd rather make a decision after he answers sel's questions.

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@Sel: also, don't expect me to change my read on Varsoon so easily. Once I set a strong town/scum read, it's really hard for me to break out of it without some major stuffs.

P-Edit: sven wat

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I might be in love with that game. Bookmarked.

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Sven: Let's talks real quick before I go to bed.

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I'm Remembrance. I get weird at night.

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I guess he left.

Restating:
Misrepped us.
Gif contribution: Blatant use of bluffing.
Put meta excuses for Rach read into both her reads lists, then says it did not affect her estimation. This does not necessarily imply they're scum buddies, but it does imply she is lying.

Pedit: God was there. That's all that matters.

-Rem.

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Not you: dripping goof ball.

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Okay. I recently watched a movie and wrote a report on it, Django: Unchained. While we were talking about it, I read an essay in which someone argued against Rogert Ebert and used some no name reviewer as his back up. I stated openly "What idiot argues against Roger Ebert?" and used Roger Eber to back up my opinion that Django: Unchained was a good movie and its use of language, effective to communicate its point. Roger Ebert is dead now. And I need to find a new person to sheep movies to watch.

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Do you have anyone in Sweden who fits that description?

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Is that a no? Goddamnit it.

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Some people just don't have replacements. *sigh*

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Only Siskel could do that right.

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The ultimate climax is death. Vote DGB.

Good night.

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BAH

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Go Town! The above person was Gif

-Rem