Open 491: The Popcorn Mafia: GAME OVER

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Hi guys

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Hi guys

DO NOT LET HER SPEAK, SHE WILL CAST A SPELL ON US

SHOOT QUICKLY

Too late.

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I think syryana's idea has merit. What about you?

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I think syryana's idea has merit. What about you?

you mean his, Shoot either one of us Idea? sure it does, and his reasoning for it makes sense. I wouldn't mind having you as a gun bearer though Syry saying he wants it for himself, but not wanting it for himself makes me think he's mafia. Then again, I always think he's mafia so maybe I'll talk to Messiah about him

Yeah that idea. Having the gun in the hands of someone with a good scumdar makes sense. How is SodaSpirit's scumdar?

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Ineffective, whether weak or otherwise, it's the same intro I use in nearly every game. I don't do RVS.

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I think syryana's idea has merit. What about you?

you mean his, Shoot either one of us Idea? sure it does, and his reasoning for it makes sense. I wouldn't mind having you as a gun bearer though Syry saying he wants it for himself, but not wanting it for himself makes me think he's mafia. Then again, I always think he's mafia so maybe I'll talk to Messiah about him

I want the gun because I think being the gunbearer would be fun as hell. So by all means, shoot me. However, I like the idea of shooting either Mini or fery because I know both of them play highly competent games regardless of alignment. If they're scum, great, we nailed one. If they aren't, the gun is in good hands.

By the way, I didn't say I wanted it then don't want it. SHOOT MINIMAL SODA, THEY'RE MISREPPING ME

Pedit: Stop failing at non-hydra posting

Pedit2: That was a quick back-off by ineffective.

Pedit3: A VERY quick and apologetic back-off. Scumdar being pinged...

Interesting.

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Can't be any worse then the Selkies Hydra XD

true that.

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Oh, the Selkies hydra <3

Fery, you are not allowed to go all goodmorning on us. One GM per site allowed.

That's my spell word.

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Hi guys

DO NOT LET HER SPEAK, SHE WILL CAST A SPELL ON US

SHOOT QUICKLY

this.

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And WHY IS MY #60 INTERESTING

Because we agreed on something. My response to ineffective hardly rated an "Oh."

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We're gonna talk and talk and talk about this stuff until Soda comes in and shoots someone, we're gonna be at 30 pages before he gets here lol

You killed the thread.

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Rach, the game you are thinking of, they both played in it. Miss Maranagal was scum and Messiah was town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=26455

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Town: Sodaspirit, Ineffective, Syryana, RedPanda, fuzzybutternut, srand
Mafia: fferyllt, catlord,

sanjay

, jeremy
Null: Minimal (hydras are always null), Rach

Also, soda should shoot as soon as possible.

dude.

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@jeremylu sauce for the gander. Why are you pushing for minimal to be shot?

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FoS Syryana because mafia is serious business.

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I cannot believe you actually godwinned the game.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

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It beats that one time Hitler was compared favorably with me. <3

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sadly, yes.

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I'm bored. I want the gun.

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strong town read on srand. weaker town reads on fuzzy ineffective and syrana.

POE leaves the rest of you and its ordered from scummiest to least.

I agree with your town reads and kinda think I would add you to them. Syryana is a stronger town read than fuzzy and ineffective.

The thing that sort of puts me off about you is that I don't recall you particularly wanting the gun.

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Welcome to the game CrashTextDummie. Yes, gunbearer is an awesome role. Hilarious that it went to someone who was replaced out.

Good question. I haven't played with SodaSpirit.

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fferyllt > jeremylu > catlord > minimal. I'd recommend shooting in that order.

I like this list. The start of it, anyway.

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"Sorry". hmm. I know the ear infection thing and all. But that pings.

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sorry, that is an FoS. also, srand, why vote yourself?

I'm self voting so that if the gunbearer is unwilling to shoot ffery, he will hopefully shoot me instead. This way, I can then shoot ffery.

If I get the gun you wouldn't be my first target.

I like CTD's posts so far. I kinda expect him to hit scum and keep the gun for another day.

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heh. did you mean to include yourself?

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read YOUR posts?

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Given your track record in the last popcorn game, I'd be happy to see you shot.

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I'm probably going to take a shot pretty soon. More players are twiddling their thumbs than there is scum in the game, and we probably need a dead body to have any real grounds for scumhunting. Catlord is off-limits, I have a town read on him. My current shitlist is topped by these 3 individuals:
- Syryana
- fuzzybutternut
- jeremylu

I need imput from everyone on who you most want shot out of this list, with reasoning.

I think Syryana is the most likely town of the 3. Although he's goofed around, especially at the start, he's done some analysis, too.

jeremylu comes off pretty n00b. He's scumtelling pretty consistently though.

fuzzy is somewhere in between. I've liked a few of his posts.

If I had to choose one of these three to shoot, I'd be torn between jeremy and fuzzy. If either or both are scum, then it's good times. If jeremy's town, then I doubt that him having the gun would be a good idea. If town, I think fuzzy would do a better job of scumhunting and shooting.

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Random observation and another request to everyone:

Even if you think you can shoot all three mafia on your lonesome, it doesnt justify asking for shooter to kill himself off and waste a misfire. Not a towny reaction imo

Ineffective gets the number of scum wrong. Please state whether this looks like a townslip to you.

Ineffective is an experienced player from what I know. It looks like a townslip, but I wouldn't put it past him to fake that. Seems like he's picked up a lot of townreads so far, though.

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I am confused? I thought Ineffective was a new player? I remember he posted a while back in the intro to newbies thread and I believe his join date is very recent.. I was reading him as a newbie most likely newbtown...

I thought he was from that epic site that crashed for a few days?

Maybe I'm confusing him with someone else.

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Ok, well, never mind that about experience, then.

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I did?

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Hmm.

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On the third reread I think I see something that could be construed as a slip. I think.

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Scum would likely try to push the gunbearer to shoot a town person. The fact that Syryana says "Shhot [blank]" at almost every little thing makes me feel uneasy about him.

You've been uneasy about me since I called you on being scum from page 1. Don't try to color it up with this nonsense. You've been inventing different reasons to dislike me from the beginning.

I think Syryana is the most likely town of the 3. Although he's goofed around, especially at the start, he's done some analysis, too.

She doesn't want me to have the gun. If she believed what she was saying, she'd want me to have the gun because I'd likely know what to do with it. Minimal for example has shown what town should be thinking about me being shot:

I like all three of those people as probable shooting suspects, however I think that Syry is the one of those three that should be shot at. Reason being, if he is in fact town, then I believe that he is the one who is most likely to end up making the right decision on who to shoot next.

See the difference?

Pedit: Hey Redpanda, let's be friends.

CTD constrained the problem such that I would not suggest shooting someone I think is town. I think I've said earlier in the thread that you having the gun would be good for town. But, minimizing town deaths means minimizing the number of times the gun changes hands.

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Syryana, it's a strategy argument. I'm kinda simple-minded on strategy, but CTD's approach does make sense to me. So does yours. One of my strong town reads - you - is in his group of three. To fit CTD's strategy, you are not the player I'd suggest shooting.

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rach, srand, jeremy, fuzzy. Posts 387, 391 moved fuzzy into my scumpile.

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Hahahahahahhaahahahahahahah

You said exactly what i told you to say unabashedly without being afraid of looking bad for it....

Inserted a couple towntells too.

I must admit i like that post

Explain this then.

Is this to me?

I kinda don't agree with ineffective about your posts. they push you from null/townish to null/scum for me. Maybe should be even further. I've had a mixed vibe about you. Some of your posts come off very town. Some clang. Those two taken together clang.

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Welcome to the game Nacho.

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I'm holding back from replacing out. I didn't realize I wouldn't care much for this game format.

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Syryana is my strongest town read. Red Panda, Ineffective next. fuzzy was pretty high up there before posts 387 and 391.

Jeremy looks insanely scummy. Your slot was in my scumpile. We'll see if you can turn it around.

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Why RachMarie?

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Red Panda, Ineffective next.

You would bet the game on these two flipping town?

At this point? No. I'd bet the game on Syryana's flip.

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Why RachMarie?

Why do you care...?

Because I have her considerably lower.

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Why RachMarie?

Why do you care...?

Because I have her considerably lower.

I gathered that much, but arguing about reads that aren't our strongest don't really matter right now. Jeremy is top shot preference, you don't want CTD to shoot Syryana, and you would rather not he shoot but don't really care if he shoots fuzzybutternut. Right?

fuzzy I think is higher than Rach, even with the two posts I pointed out.

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wait...you said that Rach is in your never shoot pile. That sounds like a pretty damn strong read.

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Hmm.

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I don't usually do seriatim lists. I"ll mull it over.

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but no, I don't think I"d put him at 4 right now.

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I like you for town better than I did srand.

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I want to have a close look at who besides Syr pushed for you to be shot. I don't know if that will change my reads. Maybe.

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How did you know that it was me posting and not Mezzi?

what does people pushing me have to do with anyone's alignment Ffery? I don't think I'm exactly an easy push.

I meant people pushing for you to be shot.

I tried not to pick up single mentions. jeremylu, srand/Nacho (at times - srand's list kept changing and Nacho didn't have you in his shoot list), and Red Panda.

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Where's the scum motivation behind Jeremy's post?

What is this in reference to?

Pedit: yeah, I know what does that have to do with alignment?

Looking at the list, probably nothing. I wasn't sure what I'd find rereading the thread. Jeremy still looks scummy. The reread reminded me why I had srand leaning scummy. I feel better about Nacho.

And, Red Panda has looked mostly town all along.

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I was wrong about Minimal.

This is a gif that keeps on giving.

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I want to have a close look at who besides Syr pushed for you to be shot. I don't know if that will change my reads. Maybe.

Why?

something resembling bandwagon analysis. it didn't appear to lead anywhere useful.

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I think that's her no shoot list.

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It makes sense, but it could potentially lead to a nightmarish endgame. I'm not sure how to balance that. Nacho? thoughts?

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Ineffective I just noticed your cool join date.

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Rach has looked pretty bad to me.

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I think Nacho has Rach on his never kill list. Will be interested to learn a little more about why.

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I am confused by that fuzzy/ineffective thing.

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I am confused by that fuzzy/ineffective thing.

Thats because i misunderstood him probs

yep.

What do you think about his case on RP?

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ff, while rereading through your ISO, I was reminded of this:

I don't usually do seriatim lists. I"ll mull it over.

Any progress?

Syryana
Ineffective
Nacho

RedPanda - almost in that group

fuzzybutternut
Catlord
Rach Marie
jeremylu

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ff... I've been waiting for her move to be more aggression and take more of a leading role in what's going on. Since that's not happening...

I'm bored. I want the gun.

Why do you need the gun in order to make things happen?

The thing that sort of puts me off about you is that I don't recall you particularly wanting the gun.

This is strange. Why is wanting the gun a towntell?

If I had to choose one of these three to shoot, I'd be torn between jeremy and fuzzy. If either or both are scum, then it's good times. If jeremy's town, then I doubt that him having the gun would be a good idea. If town, I think fuzzy would do a better job of scumhunting and shooting.

But, this is consistent in opinions that she's expressed so far. Doesn't necessarily say much, but consistency is nice.

On the third reread I think I see something that could be construed as a slip. I think.

This is a lot of doubt for no real reason. If you see a slip, then push it somehow. If you don't really see it, then you don't. This takes an awkward middle ground.

I'm holding back from replacing out. I didn't realize I wouldn't care much for this game format.

Blaming it on the game format is a really, really convenient excuse. But, if she actually were town, becoming the gunbearer would fix this problem almost immediately.

So, she's taken driveby potshots occasionally, but nothing more. She's given a Syr townread and vaguely supported a Rach shot, but nothing else. She's been entirely useless, but always around, and that's not ever a good sign. If she really hates the game format that much but appreciates the gunbearer role, again, still a good shot. At this point, I'm guessing she's probably scum and would probably shoot her if I had the gun.

getting shot would undoubtedly improve my interest level. I think your summary of my contributions is a little off.

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I've been on jeremy since early on. I've been back and forth re fuzzy and on your slot prior to you replacing in. I put thought into CTD's strategy when he asked for input on which of Syryana, Fuzzy and jeremy to shoot, though I thought having Syryana in that list was pretty daft given his strategy.

But, I'm generally weaker on strategy and stronger on scumhunting. Minimal's thoughts about early avoidance of scummy looking players who might have poor aim if they are town concerns me. I'd want to shoot through players who look the most scummy, with some reality check/calibration of my scumdar with players I think are town.

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huh. I guess that's a measure of my boredom. I've check the thread at least daily and thought about whatever activity has happened but I've not been moved to post. No promises to do better, but the game has gotten more interesting since you replaced in and Minimal has the gun.

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unfortunatelly, what usually happens when I do that is I wind up under a cloud of suspicion that isn't quite enough to finish me off until MYLO. I go from bored to hating the world and every mafia player in it when my team loses by mislynching me.

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I really am not seeing the scum case on Cat's slot... I think if he were scum, he would just use his RL stuffs to lay low and stay out of the limelight.

He also didn't really care about explaining his leaving thoughts at all; in fact, he seemed pretty content with just getting the fuck out and leaving us nothing.

I noticed.

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Hi Jason. Welcome to the game.

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Sure sure.
Def scum.

Ineff: Trust me, if I was scum, that post wouldn't look anything like that. I'm not mentally able to, methinks.
Auto-defense mode activates as scum.

This is pretty bad looking.

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gg town. I thought town would probably win, but with Nacho's replace-in, any faint hopes evaporated.