Open 493 - Jungle Republic. (Game Over - Werewolf Victory)

[Bacde]

whats up guys whats going on

[Bacde]

whats the setup?

2 mafia and 2 werewolves I'm assuming?

I only know that b/c I'm both a mafia and a werewolf

[Bacde]

For the record, 1337 is why Fuzzy will be caught in 3 pages if scum.

You do realize I just won a game as scum, when my partner was lynched early game, right?

I'm not as bad as scum as you think I am.

woah caught this post

I'd honestly give the credit for the win to Wisdom

but your play wasn't bad

[Bacde]

I'm liking fuzzy for town and bo for scum right now

I'm at the top of page 4

is the thread always this desolate? No one is responding to me...

[Bacde]

why would there be 3 mafia and no cop

but 2 werewolves and a seer?

that seems imbalanced

also why is there a wagon on FBN and no one voting DBK?

[Bacde]

^^woops both of those posts were me lol althydra slip

[Bacde]

not exactly, the seer can still investigate at night even though there wouldnt be any werewolves left (but still a night action)

also, why not let a werewolf live on the off chance that they kill mafia? a 3-man scumteam has a lot of social influence and can be very devastating, shouldn't that be culled?

[Bacde]

also-why worry about lynching for werewolves when we have a seer who can possibly find them?

[Bacde]

WOW Rem

you can't not slip as scum?

[Bacde]

[Bacde]

Wow, calling that a slip, I see.

It can be interpreted both ways.

you obviously don't know how to reaction test

or you're not trying at all

...BECAUSE YOU ARE SCUM!!1

[Bacde]

Bacde thank you for joining this game

thanks for the thanks

but I gotta ask why?

[Bacde]

That's not what I meant at all. -_-)

what did you mean at all?

[Bacde]

WOW Rem

you can't not slip as scum?

This looks familiar.

do you mean my posting style or do you mean something else

plz be honest with me im trying to find tha scum

[Bacde]

so from my reaction tests I've discovered that klick is mafia

has anyone else discovered klick is mafia?

also DBK may very well be the partner

[Bacde]

if you guys lynch fbn I will be very disappointed in you town, time out seriously

klick is scum and hes hiding because hes caught

[Bacde]

if you guys lynch fbn I will be very disappointed in you town, time out seriously

klick is scum and hes hiding because hes caught

[Bacde]

rem whatever you thought was a breadcrumb you're wrong

[Bacde]

Do I seriously have to explain the slip? I thought it was obvious.

sorry, the slip wasnt a slip it was just an awkward phrasing

trust me I'm really good w/ slips

[Bacde]

what technique

[Bacde]

? I didn't breadcrumb anything?

please quote the post where you didnt breadcrumb

[Bacde]

VOTE: Klick

wagoning IceBox for a non-existent slip? Scum caught.

I'm about to hop on I just take my time with my votes

my words are instantaneous though

pew pew pew

[Bacde]

I'm completely lost.

1. You think my playstyle is scummy? I can't do anything about that. Some of the best players on this site (such as Nachomamma) town hunt.
2. You think that it's suspicious that I asked someone not to be effected by their lack of general suspicion? That is, a lot of players read Klick as town. This can affect them and their decisions negatively. Because those who interact with them generally see them as town, they treat the player differently and it gets in the way of their ability to scum hunt (sometimes). I am stating that I hope that doesn't happen. Because I created another argument for why he was town and presumably, if anyone finds it convincing, will have a more favorable read on that player. Which will influence these interactions.
3. Your definition is secondary to the wiki definition upon which vocabulary is largely learned by the player base. You can say that isn't this isn't the intended meaning, but given that OMGUS originated from a player voting someone else on this site, I'm pretty sure it is. So it's not OMGUS. Call it something else.

Pedit:

That's somewhat ironic.

I'm town this game. Interesting RQS now that I see what it meant though. I might steal it if you don't mind.

-Rem

^ Klick said I was likely to be a werewolf. Fuzzy was trying to draw me out.

-Rem

I wonder why klick is looking specifically for werewolves?

maybe he is scum as well

[Bacde]

hey bacde welcome to the game!

whats up dude

are you town this game?

[Bacde]

So...Icebox/Klick team then?

VOTE: Klick

I like the vote mate

but your words are lacking

can you make something else up to explain why you are voting for klick please? it would make me feel better

just bs something with better reasoning

[Bacde]

hey bacde welcome to the game!

whats up dude

are you town this game?

town as fuck brother.

lol you are trying to buddy me hard

I'll remember that but I'll assume that means that I'm already a major townread of yours?

[Bacde]

Well If Icebox is mafia then klick might probably possibly maybe be mafia

why the connection between the two?

[Bacde]

Bacde, your reasoning is terrible (if I'm right in assuming that you think any Mafia player would say it's better to hunt for Werewolves).

VOTE: Icebox

Why did you want fuzzy at L-1, exactly? I didn't really get anything from that.

woah are you distancing from your buddy icebox right now?

:s

[Bacde]

ok well if you ever want to know my reads just let me know

[Bacde]

I heard opportunism.

Exactly what reason would I, as scum, need to be opportunistic at this point? I was already on fuzzy, which was a bigger wagon than Icebox. Unless you're suggesting I'm his partner?

dude stop being so confirmed scum :s

why did people townread klick (this is the first i've heard of townreads on klick)

[Bacde]

bacde, what are your reads, bud?

mac is mad town
I'm town, duh

klick is confirmed scum (probably mafia)
apparently icebox is his partner? (also mafia probably)

also you are probably scum

those are my main reads

[Bacde]

Lol Mac.

Bacde, why aren't you voting him?

my words are just as powerful, if not moreso than my vote

my vote will come, it will come

[Bacde]

(I'm saving it for a dramatic moment)

[Bacde]

bacde, what are your reads, bud?

mac is mad town
I'm town, duh

klick is confirmed scum (probably mafia)
apparently icebox is his partner? (also mafia probably)

also you are probably scum

those are my main reads

Cool cool.
Thanks, Bacde.

lol you are funny

but you are also acting

how does it feel to be in

another

game where I'm town and you're scum? probably pretty good huh

[Bacde]

Don't see town motivation for Icebox to fish for the seer and out it for everybody.

Considering switching to Icebox, but Klick hasn't explained how his process had changed from "basically confirmed town" to "lol vote Icebox"

Still hasn't answered my question, btw.

I understand the slip now, Bulb. I read the sentence wrong (I forgot who said why it might not have been a slip, but I read what they said. If that makes any sense.)

Mac and Bacde are town.

yessss

reach for that towncred

reeeeaaaacchh

[Bacde]

if you guys want to lynch a mafia, lynch klick

if you want to lynch a werewolf, lynch fuzzy

that is what I know

[Bacde]

lol let it slide

[Bacde]

like water off a duck's back I don't think anyone is taking that emoticon seriously

[Bacde]

Grrr... But... GAH!!!

lol thats what I say when I'm laughing too


GAAHHH!!

[Bacde]

Well that makes sense.

UNVOTE:

what makes sense?

[Bacde]

Vote: Klick

btw

[Bacde]

I didn't ever say opportunism

but there actually is opportunism in your defense by misrepresenting me

more votes on klick please

that vote screams "desperate"

[Bacde]

VOTE: Klick

damnit I should have waited

its ok this looks similar KLICK IS SCUM GUYS VOTE FOR KLICK

[Bacde]

can we all agree to lynch klick yet?

[Bacde]

lets not ask for ccs and out the real seer please

[Bacde]

Officially ignoring Bacde because his reasoning is retarded. Anything he says that others would like to hear the answer to can be repeated.

Mac, what is your reason for voting me besides opportunism?

PEdit: Same question to DBK.

[Bacde]

why are you ignoring me instead of convincing me of my incorrectness?

its tough to be motivated to do that when I'm right, huh :/

[Bacde]

retract icebox I know you aren't the real seer

[Bacde]

where is the crumb proof etc

[Bacde]

Klick I'm assuming that you think I'm town?

[Bacde]

can we please lynch klick-scum today and worry about fuzzy-scum tomorrow?

[Bacde]

lol fuzzy its so crazy hearing you argue that way

coming from last game where you were scum and you were arguing that being survivalistic was scummy

[Bacde]

you're still scum though

[Bacde]

I'm not saying he's town. I'm just saying that he's not claiming PR.

So really... Fuzzy or klick? I'm good with either but since DL is drawing near... We need a consensus

dont worry we are lynching klick

[Bacde]

When I'm dead, look at the immediate switch between me being a universal townread and there being a call for my death. That said, Bacde and Mac are very likely town. That leaves fuzzy, DBK, and TNE as suspects.

which is most likely?

[Bacde]

who townread you?

[Bacde]

yeah klick is overreacting to being at L-3, more votes on klick please

[Bacde]

Yeah, also I will

Unvote

until I've read the whole thing.

Just realized Bacde just replaced in before me.
LOL I RECALL A TIME MAC AND REM AND I TROLLED THE SHIT OUT OF YOU CHEERFULLY

tbh i feel like i was trolled the most by wisdom

ask tne about it, that guy will just not let my team win ever

[Bacde]

who here thinks egg is town?

[Bacde]

K.

So I see Bacde and Bulba is butthurt that our slot ain't scum. (Surprise, surprise.)

And Klick's RQS is not always effective at catching scum too.

/inyourface.

Commencing catching up.

-G

I'm not disappointed at all?

wasn't there a wagon on you when I replaced in that I completely ignored to start the klick wagon

[Bacde]

by the way, if anyone else is going to claim seer, now is the time to do it

[Bacde]

lol let it slide

retract icebox I know you aren't the real seer

lets not ask for ccs and out the real seer please

gfto.

Sadly, these posts reeks town.

I was trying to cover for you fool, don't tell me to gtfo

you claimed at a time that made no sense, so why wouldn't it make more sense to convince everybody that you were fakeclaiming?

[Bacde]

ok

VOTE: klick

Tomorrow should be fuzzy.

Why not fuzzy today? I want werewolf first.

so you trust my read about fuzzy being werewolf and klick being mafia?

because thats a very specific assertion I'm making and you're drinking it like fact

[Bacde]

Aha! 3 goons and 2 werewolves. Thank you, Wiki.

faaaake

I already asked this question, it was the first thing I asked

and you ignored that

and you ignored figuring out the setup when you first joined

and just happen to ask about the setup now?

FAKE

Klick is probably mafia though which means we need to focus on lynching that before we get to fuzzy

[Bacde]

Gah. Wait, are there 3 mafia and 3 werewolves?? Because I have Klick, Egg, and Icebox as some sort of scum.

dude icebox is the seer but you might be right about egg

[Bacde]

It took me a minute but I get what icebox was trying to say on the "slip". The word "which" refers to the NK itself, no actually eliminating the NK.

Icebox is committing the same tell as bulb and klick.

Yeah, icebox saw the same crumbs I did. The VT claim is just horrible. Or at least it makes the crumbs horrible. The tell was that they started attacking him after the crumbs. Possible wolves afraid of the seer. Or even mafia wanting the seer outted so he sucks up the NK and they are safe.

Icebox's claim confirms what i'd typed and backspaced. There is an exception to the tell of attacking someone after crumbs. One of them could be a seer. Bulb, klick, and fuzzy are all scum.

I agree with bacde. If icebox is fakeclaiming, no counters. There is a time and place.

Even if fuzzy wasn't crumbing, he's still scum. I only backed off because I thought he crumbed. He was scum before that.

you're looking better but you lack some reading comprehension

NO MATTER THOUGH

because I now think if there is a seperate real seer that they should stay hidden (its probably icebox tho)

[Bacde]

considering that I've been hard-pushing this wagon since I entered and we are STILL only at L-3, yes I am comfortable with the speed of this wagon on klick

FBN is probably scum too though, so I'm not too opposed to a FBN lynch

G_M is probably scum

[Bacde]

I still haven't read the thread lol I'm not sure that I need to

[Bacde]

That's not very convincing...

"I know I'm town" never sways anyone.

it works on tne if you're telling the truth

but the way fuzzybutternut is doing it looks like he is trying to copy the way I do it when I'm town

[Bacde]

which is all the time

[Bacde]

Egg, even if I was scum, I'm fairly certain Klick is a werewolf, meaning he has a night kill, meaning we would be one step closer to exterminating the NK completely. That is why it solves more problems than my lynch.

I actually think klick is a mafia but I'm down to lynch him

[Bacde]

@tne what do you think of FBN's AtE? Is it legit?

I'm asking you because I know you are able to tell town AtE pretty well

[Bacde]

Wow, I LOVED that post by syryana, enough to update your reads and merge them with my own to create this list of reads:

Town:
Bacde
Icebox
Syryana
Mac

Leaning town:
DBK
tne
Egg

Leaning scum:
GM
Bulbazak

Definitely scum:
fuzzybutternut
Autti
Klick

what do you think?

[Bacde]

Fuzzy's been a town read for me since forever.

I was being sarcastic with Fuzzy being a sudden town read after the not-hammer.

how can you possibly still think fuzzy is town?

[Bacde]

I'm cool with the bloc, yo.

Fuzzy's reads were terrible, I agree.

PEdit: I'd explain why but I'm on my phone.

dude fuzzy's gotta be scum

do your best

[Bacde]

He kept a vote on Zach after everyone else left his wagon. I would've considered him scum if he immediately got off of Zach after the wagon wasn't worth pursuing.

Wasn't a strong town read, but I didn't find him scummy most of the game. Maybe early game, I don't remember.

what if he was just scum who was content to leave his vote for a little longer before realizing he HAD to move it?

my scumread on fuzzy is ALL from recent behavior and it seems like you are missing the more recent picture

[Bacde]

So I have the following as very strong town reads:

Bacde
Mac
Icebox (regrettably)
Egg

That leaves 5/7 scum. In that, I'm confident that fuzzy is scum. GM, DBK, Autti, and TNE would be my other scum picks, in order of scumminess. Syry and Bulb both feel town, but I'm not sure.

I've pretty much lost interest in this game and in Mafia in general, so I don't really care who you lynch first between fuzzy and I, seeing as we're both going to be lynched regardless.

hey dude, you still have the opportunity to town it up in here, don't give up!

thats just gonna feed my confirmation bias and have me try to lynch you more

you're an excellent mod and I don't want to ruin our first experience playing together

Also fuzzy looks like a great option for a lynch today whether or not we are planning on lynching you

[Bacde]

Egg is casting a wide net in #769. Called or implied that 6 people were scum.

To be fair there are 5 Scum in the game, as has been hashed out to death like every five or so pages.

So I definitely fell asleep last night at around page 28. Gentlemen, here we go:

Updated reads list:
Town: Icebox (for uncc), Egg (for transparency), DBK (for sticking to his guns)
Lean Town: Klick (most recently, for apathy), Mac (because meta)
Null: Bulba (because I can't stop flipflopping), Bacde (for not having read back (there's some interesting stuff back there))
Lean Scum: tne (because 90% of his posts are unhelpful), Syr (because meta)
Scum: Autti (for being obvScum), fuzzy (in 99 posts, little substance, plus shitty "last reads" list)

Since there doesn't appear to be a wagon on Autti today...

Vote: fuzzy

That should be L-1.

90% unhelpful posts is tne's MO as town (probably as scum too but thats not a reason to scumread tne)

Syr is scum because meta and no explanation beyond that?

Also you have me as null "for not having read back" even though I've made a

HUGE, OPINIONATED

impact on the game as SOON as I entered?

yeah, GM is scum

this reads list is a cookie-cutter "muddy the waters" scum-reads list

[Bacde]

>.> I'll remember this, DBK.

quick who do we go after tomorrow

[Bacde]

well THATs a surprising kill

[Bacde]

GM's reads are pretty crap, tbh. Even his read on me is bogus (sticking to my guns? I think I've changed my mind enough this game to where sticking to my guns doesn't make sense to me). But why do you think Fuzzy is town now, Bacde?

I never thought fuzzy was town (well I did right after I replaced in but that changed pretty quickly)

[Bacde]

Autti/Klick/G_M

choose 1 to lynch everybody today is going to be a great day

[Bacde]

I think its more likely that the last werewolf bussed fuzzy than voted for klick

[Bacde]

90% unhelpful posts is tne's MO as town (probably as scum too but thats not a reason to scumread tne)

Not in my experience with him.

thats because in your experience with him you were scum

Syr is scum because meta and no explanation beyond that?

Yes. As Town Syr's pretty blatantly obvious.

great reasoning

Also you have me as null "for not having read back" even though I've made a

HUGE, OPINIONATED

impact on the game as SOON as I entered?

1. Huge opinionated impacts are a null tell.
2. You're a hugely opinionated and impactful player, and playstyle's not a tell either.

...

its not me being "huge" and "impactful" that should have you put me at somewhere other than null

its me taking stances on the game and pushing my reads. "Having a large effect on the game" isnt a tell, but if you analyze the effect itself you should be able to determine whether you think I have a scum motivation or town motivation. I've made my position on the game VERY clear. You have to decide whether you think that position is scum or town. Leaving me in null is scum-motivated imo

your vote is good though

[Bacde]

I think its more likely that the last werewolf bussed fuzzy than voted for klick

Why?

VOTE: Autti

numbers for one

the majority of the town voted for fuzzy, while only 4 people voted for klick

also, besides fuzzy, I don't remember anyone hopping on the klick wagon with an outrageously shitty reason

also, fuzzy tried REALLY hard to force a not-werewolf tell (by asking towards the end "how many werewolves do we have? oh its 2 thanks wiki!"), which makes me think the wolves were trying really hard to force not-team tells, which probably includes bussing

plus if I was a werewolf I can see bussing my partner after the whole town is sure that my partner is scum

and also my gut says so

[Bacde]

>.> I'll remember this, DBK.

quick who do we go after tomorrow

This is what I was referring to when I asked why you thought Fuzzy was town.

Yeah I knew what post you were referring to

you interpreted it incorrectly, I did not think fuzzy was town

I was just trying to see what information I could squeeze out

[Bacde]

tbh I'd like a klick lynch most today

but Autti is a good lynch imo

[Bacde]

VOTE: klick

[Bacde]

if autti and klick are both scum, then they are probably both mafia

I'm suspicious of DBK for being the werewolf but I'm wondering if thats what FBN was trying to make me think

[Bacde]

^^yeah I was pretty stoked when you lynched fuzzy in that one newbie where he quickhammered me

[Bacde]

but he could be WIFOMing as well

the comment is probably a null tell

[Bacde]

Mac is mega-town

don't tread on the thin ice you're on bro

be happy that Autti/Klick are still around so I have to focus on them

[Bacde]

if klick flips maf then the only possibility of mac being scum is if he is a werewolf which is SUPER UNLIKELY since he wasn't on the fbn wagon when it went through

[Bacde]

I'm like 80% certain the last werewolf is in mac/DBK and like 90% certain that Mac is town

and 100% certain that we should be lynching klick

[Bacde]

DBK has a high win percentage rate as scum for a reason

Mac I need you to make me a promise. I'll be in on this. If one of us dies, the other pushes the fuck out of DBK, ok?

Because I don't trust this town beyond us to make the right call

[Bacde]

Mac is mega-town

Do explain.

I never really explained why I think Klick is scum

but Mac independently came up with the exact same reason on his own

Thats unlikely to come from someone who is Klick's buddy, they would have come up with shoddy reasoning at best

Which means the only way for Mac to be scum (assuming Klick is mafia) is if he is a werewolf

But he's probably not a werewolf for a bunch of reasons I've been saying

[Bacde]

I actually did ISO Bo and Fuzzy, because I had the same thought. I saw no connection between the 2. Bo flopped back and forth on Fuzzy all game, but it didn't read as partner interaction whatsoever.

what do you look for when trying to read for partner interactions?

[Bacde]

Or it means Klick might be town, Mac might be scum, and you might have confirmation bias.

this is highly unlikely as the reason for klick being scum was a REALLY good reason

[Bacde]

bulb are you mafia AND trying to keep the last werewolf alive?

lol how hard is it to be in your situation right now

[Bacde]

Remind me of it.

Sure, lemme find it, I've never actually expanded on it really

people just felt my town energy this game and its been awesome

[Bacde]

Well, I can explain it first

when I replaced into the game, everyone was hounding on icebox, thinking icebox was scum

there was also a clamor on fuzzy

Now I sorta make an assumption when I join games, I assume that the entire town is wrong and that the biggest bandwagon is on town. I know this isn't always true, but its what I do because it causes everyone to have a big reaction to me which helps me get reads.

so I assumed both fuzzy and icebox were town

But I wanted to reaction test, and icebox posted something that was a little awkward that someone called him out for being a slip, so I acted like it was a big deal and was a slip (and even posted a large image of stick figures playing football that said "FUMBLE!!"). Whats interesting is that I was TOTALLY supportive of wagoning icebox vocally, but I never voted icebox, because I was just trying to see how people would react. I never actually thought icebox made a slip, it was just awkward phrasing.

While I was doing that, not only did Klick vote for, push on, and be confident about icebox being scum for his slip, he ALSO lauded me for joining the game saying that I make the game more entertaining. That set off my scum-dar as I once played in a klick-modded game before as town and pretty much guaranteed a scum-victory with my poor play (I've gotten better since then )

[Bacde]

@Bacde: I have evidence that shows that I am a strong supporter of killing slips. Therefore, how is that a strong scumtell?

You are good at mafia.

This took me a while to respond to, because I wanted to make sure I could respond to you from a position of strength and empowerment and righteousness.

My answer is this: I too, have evidence that shows that I am a strong supporter of killing slips. However, what icebox posted was not a slip (something that I could tell), and I am not a strong supporter of assuming what other people say is a slip

actually is

.

So I say to you, despite your "I have evidence that my behavior right now fits my profile" defense, that you are mafia.

[Bacde]

Bo was on the Fuzzy wagon when it made no sense for a scumpartner to be on it.

His actual confusion concerning Fuzzy's alignment reads as genuine, even when read in a dual ISO, which leads me to believe that Bo had no clue what Fuzzy's actual alignment was. I would have expected Fuzzy's partner to perhaps bus him when it seemed inevitable to gain towncred, but Bo was on the wagon when it didn't make sense for a partner to be.

how does the bolded work then. iirc DBK hopped on every wagon and it's mother, before hammering fuzzy. distancing and then bussing.

Did you read the rest of my post? Bo's reasonings for voting the way he did and his confusion on Fuzzy read as genuine. Their interactions did not read like 2 scumpartners when I went through their ISO. Therefore, I don't think Bo is Fuzzy's partner.

Well, I can explain it first

when I replaced into the game, everyone was hounding on icebox, thinking icebox was scum

there was also a clamor on fuzzy

Now I sorta make an assumption when I join games, I assume that the entire town is wrong and that the biggest bandwagon is on town. I know this isn't always true, but its what I do because it causes everyone to have a big reaction to me which helps me get reads.

so I assumed both fuzzy and icebox were town

But I wanted to reaction test, and icebox posted something that was a little awkward that someone called him out for being a slip, so I acted like it was a big deal and was a slip (and even posted a large image of stick figures playing football that said "FUMBLE!!"). Whats interesting is that I was TOTALLY supportive of wagoning icebox vocally, but I never voted icebox, because I was just trying to see how people would react. I never actually thought icebox made a slip, it was just awkward phrasing.

While I was doing that, not only did Klick vote for, push on, and be confident about icebox being scum for his slip, he ALSO lauded me for joining the game saying that I make the game more entertaining. That set off my scum-dar as I once played in a klick-modded game before as town and pretty much guaranteed a scum-victory with my poor play (I've gotten better since then )

Was this your entire case? That Klick welcomed you to the game

and was influenced by a slip

(which from experience playing with him, he is apt to do)? Face it, you have nothing. For the same reason, Mac is not automatically town, because he brought up the slip thing. In fact, he's probably scum who is buddying up to you seeking town cred.

lol no

what icebox posted

was not a slip

, icebox

was not scum

and therefore

could not have slipped

klick got really excited about people thinking that someone not on his team slipped, and he voted. Klick is scum

why are you so motivated to tell me that "I have nothing"? I have something, in fact I have GREAT evidence. You are mafia too, aren't you?

[Bacde]

considering that our seer outted on d1 I'm glad we lynched a werewolf,

but this is why I thought it would be important to lynch mafia, the social influence of a 3-man team is pretty big

[Bacde]

what if I'm just trying to convince everyone else until you cave in and decide to bus your partner?

[Bacde]

Well, I can explain it first

when I replaced into the game, everyone was hounding on icebox, thinking icebox was scum

there was also a clamor on fuzzy

Now I sorta make an assumption when I join games, I assume that the entire town is wrong and that the biggest bandwagon is on town. I know this isn't always true, but its what I do because it causes everyone to have a big reaction to me which helps me get reads.

so I assumed both fuzzy and icebox were town

But I wanted to reaction test, and icebox posted something that was a little awkward that someone called him out for being a slip, so I acted like it was a big deal and was a slip (and even posted a large image of stick figures playing football that said "FUMBLE!!"). Whats interesting is that I was TOTALLY supportive of wagoning icebox vocally, but I never voted icebox, because I was just trying to see how people would react. I never actually thought icebox made a slip, it was just awkward phrasing.

While I was doing that, not only did Klick vote for, push on, and be confident about icebox being scum for his slip, he ALSO lauded me for joining the game saying that I make the game more entertaining. That set off my scum-dar as I once played in a klick-modded game before as town and pretty much guaranteed a scum-victory with my poor play (I've gotten better since then )

This doesn't add up because I voted Icebox before there was any other support for his slip. You hadn't posted about it yet.

Also, here's a prime example of me strongly believing in slips.

On a different note, @Bulba: Can you tell me why Egg is suspicious? I have him as a strong townread from early play.

Can you tell me why this link shows you being interested in slips? I ISOed you and searched for the term "slip" and am not really finding anything

Also, can you link me to some games where you incorrectly identified something as a slip that actually wasn't, yet you were still convinced of it being a slip? (town games plz)

[Bacde]

@Syr If bulba is a strong scumread for you, why do his posts affect your opinion on Egg in any way?

[Bacde]

Bulb here's the thing:

I'd rather lynch scumreads than lynch people who might possibly be the wolf but might possibly be town

there's a big difference, and thats that scumreads are more likely to be scum

[Bacde]

right, well, good luck with that

more votes on klick please

[Bacde]

Town wouldn't typically get into semantic arguments amongst themselves

why

[Bacde]

Town wouldn't typically get into semantic arguments amongst themselves

why

This.

I see town vs. town arguments like that all the time.

shush don't ruin the scumhunt

@goodmorning, why would town not get in a semantics argument?

[Bacde]

Who ARE your other scumreads?

Autti and Mac. Still trying to figure out what I think about TNE and Bo, as they are both nulls.

Autti I get. Why Mac?

everyone scumreads mac when they first play with him (I did it too)

but I'm pretty sure he's town

[Bacde]

Well bacde when we both read him as scum, he was actually scum

yeah thats true

but my first game w/ mac he was town but I still thought he was scum

[Bacde]

Because semantic arguments aren't real. They're just a distraction and they don't really benefit anyone (except perhaps scum who want an "appearance's sake" argument "win" or scum who want to clog the thread with distracting shit like "let's define these words").

sorry, this is just wrong

semantics arguments are real

and town v town semantics arguments happen all the time

[Bacde]

A fucking RVS post? REALLY? I'll respond to the rest when I return but including an RVS post means it doesn't look good. Why on EARTH would I panic about a vote

that didn't even count?

The scummy part was you trying to shift attention off of yourself and onto Egg ("Why did you vote me and not Egg?"). Fuzzy was caught in RVS, why can't you be?

link to fuzzy being caught during rvs plz

i want to see the post and the post catching him

[Bacde]

@Klick do you have any games of you getting super exciting about a "slip" that ended up not being a slip? (where you were town)

[Bacde]

btw I refuse to even consider lynching mac as long as he is my strongest supporter in lynching my strongest scumread

[Bacde]

dude I just want klick lynched

maybe Mac figured it all out and was bussing klick is partner, but thats not what I'm seeing

klick hopped on a nonexistent slip to try to get icebox mislynched, thats all there is to it

and klick has no evidence of games where he misidentified a slip and still pushed on it to the extreme he did this game

[Bacde]

oh I didn't see that but I wasn't lying

I wasn't reaction testing specifically you, but you are the one I remember going for it

[Bacde]

2) whats the difference between that and you saying you are not town in rvs? LOLSCUM

What you said was serious. You asked Syryana why he was voting you and not Egg, showing that you cared more about his RVS vote than he did. Again, it feels like scum who got caught for the wrong, or in this case a stupid, reason.

Also, nice deflection by trying to bring in my RQS answer. The two are not even close to being similar. As I've said, your post is closer to Fuzzy's reaction in RVS to me saying he'd be easy to find as scum, rather than to me having fun with an RQS question and stating that I'm a monkey. Ook.

listen, bulbazak, if you think mac is scum, who do you think is his partner?

because mac isn't getting lynched today

[Bacde]

listen, bulbazak, if you think mac is scum, who do you think is his partner?

I believe Mac is mafia, since he genuinely wanted to lynch Fuzzy, which makes his partners Autti and either Bo or TNE. I'm personally leaning TNE, but I need to look into it more.

its super suspicious to me that you aren't even considering the possibility of klick being mafia

[Bacde]

your reasoning has been more "mac COULD be mafia, and I believe that he is"

rather than having any actual reasoning for WHY mac is mafia

[Bacde]

listen, bulbazak, if you think mac is scum, who do you think is his partner?

I believe Mac is mafia, since he genuinely wanted to lynch Fuzzy, which makes his partners Autti and either Bo or TNE. I'm personally leaning TNE, but I need to look into it more.

also, if you are this confident about Autti, why are you focused on Mac, who there is obviously contention about his alignment

rather than Autti, who seems to be a universal scumread?

[Bacde]

UNVOTE:

[Bacde]

I understand that you're scum radar is broken today--

Oh wait... because you're scum, you don't need a radar

Correction - the scum here do need a radar.

Thinking Autti and TNE as Mafia right now. One of {GM, DBK} is the third Mafia, and the other is the Werewolf. Leaning GM-Mafia with that group.

Really, I'm doing a lot of homework right now, but there's an attempt at thinking things through.

can you explain your reads please?

[Bacde]

Syryana asked who my other scumreads were, and then asked me about Mac. You've been making a big deal of it ever since. I've simply been addressing your concerns. Thus, I'm not the one who is overly focused on Mac, but you are. Don't misrep me again.

what the FUCK just happened

I just got mindfucked out of lynching Klick by a combination of a scumgroup that I liked and Bulbazak acting like I'm misrepresenting him when he is attacking Mac to make me less confident about Klick

screw that

VOTE: Klick

[Bacde]

But there is no meta that supports that you like to lynch non-slips that you accidentally misinterpret as a slip.

And the one link you provided didn't even show you getting excited about lynching a slip. I ctrl + F'ed your entire ISO in that game for the term "slip" and came up empty handed

[Bacde]

It was mentioned by other people, I never actually said the word "slip." -_-

I'll go through my meta and give you a list if I have free time tonight. Sound good?

Yes! thx u

[Bacde]

@Egg: That was my intention. Bacde is saying that the meta is indicative of scum.

tbh I'm not familiar with your meta at all

[Bacde]

Hey whats up princess

you should probably start contributing because the way things look everyone is going to keep disagreeing about our top scumreads and then you will be the compromise lynch of the day at this rate

[Bacde]

[Bacde]

I'm at bulb for last mafia and princess for last werewolf

what do you guys think?

[Bacde]

Here's a fucking thought, chaps. How about we explain why it's person X and person Y, instead of just stating it's them? Or else we are going nowhere today.

So...

bulb because he kept trying to keep me from lynching klick yesterday

I was like "we should lynch klick and here's the reason why"

and he was all like "thats not a good reason, why not lynch mac?"

and I'm like "no mac is town, we lynch klick"

and he goes "why not mac? or why not anyone else who isn't klick? Also DBK is a townread of mine"

And I think Princess is likely the last werewolf:

1) Because I think Princess is scum (residual from Autti)
2) She randomly said "Klick is the last werewolf" which is weird because I've been calling him as mafia for a while now (and I'm pretty sure a couple other people have too), so I'm not certain how she'd arrive at that conclusion by rereading unless she was trying to force a not-werewolf tell (which would make her a werewolf)
3) She seemed motivated to lynch Klick by me saying that she might get lynched as a compromise which is survivalistic which tends to be scummy

[Bacde]

Ok what about this piece of evidence:

I sincerely doubt that DBK was killed to purposely take out a mafia. That doesn't seem like optimal scum play to me--the werewolf should have been aiming for town until maybe tonight or the night after (and still try to lynch mafia)

But when I look at DBK's top two scumreads (or stated scumreads) he lists Autti and Klick

In fact, he was tunneling on Autti pretty much all of yesterday

[Bacde]

Another reason I doubt that the werewolf tried to take out mafia last night--most people had DBK as town. I was one of the only few who expressed reservations about his alignment

[Bacde]

I want G_M to get in here and start posting

[Bacde]

Am I wrong in my new assumption that odd nights are mafia kill nights and even nights are werewolf nights? If not, we need to be focused on finding the last mafia. I think we can both agree that Autti/PP is certainly not the last mafia. That should buy me enough time to prove I'm not a ww either to anyone that still thinks this is a possibility.

yes this is a wrong assumption

[Bacde]

Taking out the most popular Town read is a much more likely scenario.

Exactly

but there were quite a few people who were heavily regarded as town

myself included

in fact, I'm quite surprised that I'm alive today

So why did the wolves choose DBK over any other across-the-board town?

[Bacde]

[WIFOM] The thing that really makes me wonder about the Werewolf in particular is that Bacde is still alive. If they were aiming for Town, why hit DBK? Most people did have Townreads on him, yes, but everyone had a Townread on Bacde. Plus Bacde is more coherent and more noisy than DBK was. This is the big WIFOMy question I am entertaining at the moment.[/WIFOM]

EXACTLY!

Me being alive today heavily points towards Princess scum, as I wasn't pushing the Autti lynch as hard as DBK was

[Bacde]

Was this your entire case? That Klick welcomed you to the game and was influenced by a slip (which from experience playing with him, he is apt to do)?

Face it, you have nothing

. For the same reason, Mac is not automatically town, because he brought up the slip thing. In fact, he's probably scum who is buddying up to you seeking town cred.

reaaallly

[Bacde]

Sorry for the delay. Had a podcast that I had to do.

Reads:

Town:
Bacde
Syryana
Icebox

Null/Town:
Goodmorning
Klick

Null:
Thenewearth
Does Bo Know

Null/Scum:
Mac

Scum:
Egg
Autti
Fuzzybutternut

Feel free to ask questions. I may even answer them.

bulbazak looks like a good scumhunter to me

he has two wolves in the scum pile

and he was able to argue with me pretty logically and well-groundedly

why is it that the mafia for some reason keep ending up on the townier side of his reads?

[Bacde]

Bacde's wifom link between me and DBK's claimed reads

what wifom link

the link is pretty clear and not as convoluted as wifom logic

[Bacde]

So which argument are you going with? Are you going with the argument that the wolves are going after Town or that I'm a wolf and went after DBK for calling Autti scum? Because you have said both.

I've said both because I believe both

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive

maybe you can help explain to me why you do?

[Bacde]

Also, have you ever been scum before? This is another argument you are fabricating to fit your read. If you have been scum before, and I'm assuming you have, you would know that someone loudly calling you scum doesn't make them a target specifically because people like you will say "obviously he was your target because he called you scum" It's silly. And you need to stop it.

no I've never been scum actually

I'm town in every game I play

its crazy

but if I WAS ever scum I'd totally kill people who were suspicious of me and then write it off as wifom logic

[Bacde]

So I see one wolf in his pile. Unless you have information on Egg being the other wolf?

Also, you are in his Town pile. Are you saying you are mafia? That would make things easy.

I'm sure you realized what I was intending to say with that post

are you defending bulba now?

[Bacde]

Bacde. Stop it. Start reading the game. I'm not Autti. Autti wasn't scum. I'm not scum. Get with the program. Your refusal to recognize your tunnel is making you a liability.

I don't think so

I tunneled since d1 on klick, called out FBN as scum, and never gave up that I was suspicious of DBK

I'm pretty sure I'm not a liability

who is the last wolf then? Convince me

I listen to arguments

[Bacde]

So you agree w/ bulbazak and you think its egg?

[Bacde]

So you agree w/ bulbazak and you think its egg?

I'm looking at Egg and Syr.

lol

its clearly not Syr

[Bacde]

Now that Klick flipped mafia, Mac is no longer a suspect, so you 2 can go over and make out in a corner for all I care. Now are you done misrepping me, or do you want to continue to be butthurt about this?

I'm not butthurt about anything

I'm just pushing my reads

[Bacde]

Seriously. Princess, stop. I want to lynch the wolf, which means giving you a free pass today. Don't scum up the thread so much that I change my mind.

Translation: Dude Princess I know you are the other scum we can win this we just have to work together

[Bacde]

I think that is the dumbest thing I've ever read...

Really?

Is that really the "dumbest" thing you've ever read?

As in... you've never seen a single thing in YOUR ENTIRE LIFE that is dumber than that?

What if I'm just a townie who is trying to figure stuff out?

Couldn't I be wrong about you, and also possibly not dumb?

Your overdefensiveness is noted

[Bacde]

Here's why princess is scum:

She thought that Klick was a werewolf for "associative reasons"

yet never found a single reason that Klick was independently scum

even after reading the thread when many people explicitly posted why Klick was independently scummy

whether she did it for town cred, or opportunistically to avoid being lynched doesn't matter

she clearly wanted to not get read as the scum she is (I'm of the mind that she was trying to force a not-werewolf tell as opposed to bussing, but hey)

[Bacde]

well imo she's the werewolf and your argument for her bussing isn't as solid as you seem to think it is

[Bacde]

Dude are you seriously acting like I'm the stupid one here?

I'm 3 for 3 right now, and you have been actively arguing against lynching scum this game

[Bacde]

seriously, a "my bad bacde it turns out klick actually was mafia I'll listen to you more"

would have been nice

and might have even made me question my scumread on you

[Bacde]

And what is your reasons? Because you say so?

yeah I guess all those posts where I had all of my reasoning laid out for everyone was really just a convoluted way to say "because I say so"

[Bacde]

I try not to be apologetic and instead just amend my reads when I'm wrong. I find that I'm suspicious of people who end up being too apologetic in games, as it is impossible to always be right. You do the best that you can, and when you were mistaken, you reevaluate and go from there. I was wrong about Klick. Big whoop. Because of that, I have Mac as confirmed town via PoE. I have one more person that I can trust as town, and I narrowed down the list of scum to a pool of 3. At no point did bowing down to you as the almighty scumhunter enter into my to-do list.

I never asked you to "bow down to the almighty scumhunter"

but when you talk as though you need to "fingerpaint me through" your reads it implies that you think I'm stupid and have horrible reasoning

and its an attitude that has carried over since the last dayphase

when there is more than enough evidence for you now to reevaluate my abilities as a scumhunter and to stop with your farce of "omg bacde is so bad at this game"

Basically, you are talking to me as though you have awesome reasoning and your reads are awesome when really you should have taken a slice of humble pie by now and realize that my reasoning is actually damn good and that you are in no position to criticize my play

There's a weird disconnect between the game going on in the thread and the game going on in your head

[Bacde]

VOTE: Princess Photon

[Bacde]

UNVOTE:

scum are in princess/egg/bulbazak

egg, why are you so motivated to not lynch princess?

what type of cred are you trying to build?

[Bacde]

guys if we don't lynch princess now she will always be lingering in our minds as a "what if we had made that lynch?" question

and it doesn't look like anyone wants to actually, you know,

do work

to make a case on someone else

why are we not quicklynching princess again?

[Bacde]

At best it's a dumb rhetorical tactic

This one. Sorry. I wasn't going to link to my paypal account to accept payment. At least not without cutting you in on your 20%...

and now she's playing up the bet to emphasize her innocence, rather than emphasizing that she's sorry for breaking the rules

[Bacde]

But this one's even worse:

and now she's playing up the bet to emphasize her innocence, rather than emphasizing that she's sorry for breaking the rules

VOTE: Bacde

Tried to give you a chance to remove the tunnel. This desperation is at an all time high scum level.

lol @ Princess

no I'm not desperate

and yes I'm obviously town

and no I'm not being sarcastic when I'm calling myself obviously town

[Bacde]

Princess what I got out of that post is that you are willing to look for evidence to fit a case, rather than the other way around

It doesn't necessarily make you scum, but it indicates to me that you are looking for all the wrong things when you are trying to determine who the scum is

My reads have been pretty well explained this game, so it shouldn't seem like magic that I've been finding scum

I'll show you one point in particular that I thought was bad (I have other points as well but I think just 1 is sufficient for an example)

[Bacde]

if you guys lynch fbn I will be very disappointed in you town, time out seriously

Seriously! Don't kill the wolf!!

Ok, this was when I was still assuming fbn was town. I made that assumption of mine clear in the post where I explained that when I replace in I like to assume that the town is wrong and that the largest bandwagons are on town. You aren't trying to construct what you believe my mode of thought to be, you made the conclusion that I am a wolf when you wrote this case before you had even attempted to understand my thoughts.

@Fuzzy

can you make something else up to explain why you are voting for klick please? it would make me feel better

just bs something with better reasoning

Nice job, coach.

This was actually the post that caused me to scumread fbn. Its pretty obvious if you read my ISO this thread that up until that post I had a not-scumread on fbn, and afterwards I was completely willing to lynch fbn.

My belief that fbn was a wolf and klick was a mafia was actually kind of lucky, but I was confident that they were on opposing scum teams and I just got the impression of which team from their posts and the way I felt about them.

Basically, in your "case" on me its pretty obvious that you were just trying to paint me as scummy, rather than try to understand my thought processes. Why is that? What was the purpose of your "case" post?

[Bacde]

So my vote was mostly omgus. :/

Why did you OMGUS vote me after I

unvoted

you?

[Bacde]

Bacde, I've made my Princess-mafia case. Make your Princess-wolf case. We'll then discuss the merits and flaws of both. And don't tell me to look in your ISO. Make it fresh and put some effort into it like I have.

lol I was actually going to say your princess-mafia case is pretty good

[Bacde]

I still wanna lynch princess though

if she looks like a scum, floats like a scum, and quacks like a scum,

then she's probably a scum

plus if she flips maf you will get mad analytic-cred and I'll be even more willing to help you find the wolf (and be more willing to listen to the possibility of Egg being a wolf)

I want to believe you man but I've got reservations

[Bacde]

Bacde, you really think that Bo was saying he'd vote either of Autti and Klick and both were his buddies.

every time someone says "scum would never" a goon earns a scummy

I think Autti is scum and I really don't care if she's mafia or werewolf

I think wolf, but Bulb's case was decent

doesn't really matter to me

[Bacde]

Bacde has suspected me of being scum ever since I revealed d2 that Mac was a scumread. He kept on pushing me on my reasons for this, and then used this as evidence I was scum, saying that I was focusing on Mac too much (which was not true). Even after I conceded my Mac read, he's continued to push me as scum and oppose all of my reasoning, simply because I had the audacity to have a different read on Mac than he did. It doesn't matter what I do at this point, he'll continue to push me as such, even if all the evidence points against him. Hence, confirmation bias.

this is probably true

it doesn't mean I'm wrong though

[Bacde]

I think princess is the best lynch of the day

I'm like 1 billion times more likely to trust bulba if princess flips maf

[Bacde]

I believe Princess is scum of some flavor, and I'm more willing to lynch her. Here's what I think: If Princess flips mafia, Egg is wolf. If Princess flips wolf, Egg is town and Thene is mafia. Everybody else is town.

I can agree w/ this reasoning somewhat

and if thene and egg are town, then bulba is the mafia

[Bacde]

^^Thats about it

[Bacde]

did people miss the part where princess admitted she was a wolf/scum of some sort?

yes I missed this?

[Bacde]

This is only my 2nd game on this site and I replaced in to both of them. I suspect we will be in games together in the future. While I don't care about this game so much as a replacement, I'm trying to establish a strong meta understanding of you for future games where it may be more important to me. I feel as though my "evidence to fit the case" exercise has been informative. You know what you are doing and I know you know that I know now. Your alignment at the end of the game will tell me how to read you in the future.

yes I do know what I'm doing

I'm looking for scum

I'd say the evidence I've been using this game has been pretty good

[Bacde]

yes I do know what I'm doing

"evidence to fit the case"

And that makes me sad.

I'm not "evidencing to fit the case"

the way I see it, the evidence points to you

you are in the best position to find the real scum if you are actually town, since you aren't going to be suspicious of yourself the way I am

yet you are wasting your precious words to instead "stick it to me" by making a terrible case on me and attempt to prove something to me that I'm not even really sure what the purpose of is

why am I supposed to think you are town again?

[Bacde]

I'm thinkin about the hammer

when am I gonna do it?

when am I gonna do it?

I'm thinkin' about the hammer

when am I gonna do it?

when am I gonna do it?

[Bacde]

Knowing you, you'd probably wait until 5 minutes before the lynch

Then you'd fall asleep

And we'd no lynch

I don't remember frustrating you this game?

not saying this isn't true, but this was a surprising response

[Bacde]

Knowing you, you'd probably wait until 5 minutes before the lynch

Then you'd fall asleep

And we'd no lynch

I don't remember frustrating you this game?

not saying this isn't true, but this was a surprising response

You haven't been frustrating me

I'm just teasing you

lol ok

[Bacde]

I'm beginning to think TNE might be scum

I'm having trouble thinking that town-TNE wouldn't be more excited about the game

(I'm not getting cold feet about hammering, I just still want to discuss things)

[Bacde]

^^answer plz

[Bacde]

I'm definitely not cool hammering while I have this tingling feeling in the back of my brain telling me "TNE is up to no good"

[Bacde]

If I wanted towncred, i'd just agree with everyone.

really?

you think just agreeing with people gets you towncred?

[Bacde]

Best. Replacement. Ever.

wtf I replaced in too

[Bacde]

So kuribo

scum have a very low chance of winning this game unless they pull of some good gambits and work together

you aren't trying to derail a scum lynch are you?

[Bacde]

not gonna lie--that post you quoted of Autti's has me even MORE convinced that PP is scum

[Bacde]

plus I'm of the opinion that PP is a wolf, which sorta refutes your "scum wouldn't have townreads on their buddies" theory

[Bacde]

<3

kuribo is town.

there's a read!

I actually agree w/ this

nice rxn test btw

[Bacde]

I'm pretty sure PP is playing the "I'm going to pretend I think I'm lynched so here's my final hurrah" card which scum likes to do

[Bacde]

btw kuribo: Mac, syr, and I are pretty much the town bloc this game so the fact that we are all reading you as town is good for your win condition

I think its town though

[Bacde]

Anyone can feel free to answer. It doesn't have to be GM.

ok howabout that you randomly said that Klick was going to be a wolf for no good reason?

[Bacde]

I can't fathom you reading the thread quickly between these two posts (in like 20 minutes):

you should probably start contributing because the way things look everyone is going to keep disagreeing about our top scumreads and then you will be the compromise lynch of the day at this rate

o7

I'm Town. Just found the thread. Reading now.

VOTE: Klick

Well. THAT was easy. Klick is the other werewolf. Now we just have to find the mafia goons.

and coming to the conclusion that Klick was a wolf instead of a mafia

nothing in the game pointed towards klick being a wolf

and everyone in the thread who thought klick was scum basically admitted "yeah Klick is a mafia"

so I don't know wtf you read to convince you that klick was a wolf

its much more likely that you SCOURED for some sort of "association" that you could refer to, just so that you could force a not-werewolf tell

not to mention that you hammered like 20 minutes into the game that you replaced into. I don't think I've ever felt confident enough to hammer within 20 minutes of replacing in as town

[Bacde]

Oh so youre scum and your game is over? otherwise youd help the town if it was your team

thanks for making me look stupid when i thought you were town

get to stepping, youre done here

if you're this sure, do you want to hammer?

I'm down with discussion and all, and I'll hammer before the deadline, but I'd be interested in seeing what you do

[Bacde]

I also find it hard to believe both Bacde and Syrana are Town. Of the two I'm leaning scum on Syryana. Make that jackoff put in some effort or string him up.

Why?

this is your most interesting read to me, as I have Syr as pretty strong town

if you flip VT, this will be the thing that I pay the most attention to if your reasoning is good

[Bacde]

hmm I could see egg as scum

and Bulb's emotionality and dedication to arguing against my reads does seem like it is town motivated, not scum

[Bacde]

That's the thing, my reads have been pretty spot on this game and I think Princess is the wolf, and that Bulb is the maf

those have been my reads and I'm sticking to em

I could see Egg as scum, but I think the best thing for town today is a PP flip

this discussion is good though, this discussion is why I didn't hammer PP yet

[Bacde]

PP is like the keystone to the arch that is the mystery of this game

we have to take it out to make the scum crumble

[Bacde]

what's the bulb maf case again?

I had one that was proper NK-WIFOM speculation and would only work if he was the wolf.

he was so adamently against an obv-scum klick lynch

don't you remember? He was trying to divvy off the bandwagon onto you!

not to mention, he kept perpetuating the idea that DBK was town

I was one of the few who believed DBK to be scum though, so he doesn't lose too many points for that

but seriously, the NK last night makes more sense if PP is a wolf too, I think

since DBK did push on Autti more than anyone else

[Bacde]

but seriously, the NK last night makes more sense if PP is a wolf too, I think

since DBK did push on Autti more than anyone else

Especially if we consider that anyone who had actually been reading the thread would likely have killed you as strongest town.

Yes!

I fully expected to die

[Bacde]

^^wtf is this post/vote

[Bacde]

wow I'm seeing egg scum now

bulbazak you town dog you