Open 493 - Jungle Republic. (Game Over - Werewolf Victory)

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/confirm

1. I am Town. I said so. Werewolves are gross. The Mafia are trashy.
2. Bulbazak and Klick. I've played with both and they're interesting to play with.

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VOTE: Icebox
Kinda because of Rem's AtE answer to Klick's first question. It gave me a gut-scum feeling.

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More people should sheep the Icebox vote.

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For reasons I'd rather not disclose right now.

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Mac makes a point. Why would you hope a scum game has improved unless you were scum with him yourself?

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Mac's town.

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You aren't.

So vote me.

Icebox isn't an RVS vote.

Mac's town because scum would know whether or not they have pre-game talk. Mac didn't.

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It looked sincere to me. He's actually scum hunting too by asking questions. So yeah, he's most likely town.

I'll explain why Icebox is probably scum when the time comes.

Why do you like your random vote where it is?

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I'm keeping both of those secret until later.

I don't see how what I'm doing is scum motivated considering I'm promising to get to it later, but whatevs.

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Disclosing that information taints the results.

I'll disclose my information if you disclose yours, Egg. I have a feeling they're related.

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Yeah, scum does have to scum hunt too, technically. Kinda derped there for a moment.

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Exactly what Klick said.

That's pretty much explanatory of why I think Icebox is scum, and Klick's probably town for the questions.

I already looked up earlier JR games where the same tactic was used.

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Meta blah meta meta

You're just giving yourself an excuse to stay town because now you can yell that you're town all the time and tell people to refer to that game if someone doesn't believe you.

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My bad.

You can't stay town because you were never a town read to me in the first place.

Carry on.

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Yes, it is cheap. I also highly advise you stop doing it, as trust tells are unfun. UNVOTE:

Icebox is basically confirmed town.

VOTE: fuzzy

Wait.

I missed something.

Why is Icebox basically confirmed town?

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Meh.

I can dig a Fuzzy wagon.

UNVOTE: Icebox
VOTE: fuzzybutternut

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It's hilarious.

Still ROFLing.

So why is Zach's hydra thing ten times scummier than anything you've seen this game? You

do

realize that's not why he thinks the hydra is scum, right?

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Whatever you say, Fuzzy.

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Um okay.

I don't agree with Klick about the trust tell. It's null. I would've kept the vote on Icebox, but the wagon was losing momentum fast. Yours isn't. I like the process of wagons D1.

I thought Klick was town because his questions looked like they would be followed by Klick evaluating the answers, which is putting himself out there, which is a townie trait.

Mac still looks town to me.

Egg's following a lot of my thought processes.

TNE's lack of interest in anything that happened before he posted could be interpreted as scummy. Keeping an eye on him.

I can agree with Klick's werewolf-finding motive. Plus your play makes my gut feel bad. So yeah.

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Apparently you're not reading.

I think Klick nailed the werewolves. Fuzz and Icebox are the two scummiest looking players aside from the RQS, so that pushes it over the top. I don't like Fuzz because of his "I'm super good as scum, I promise!". I just plain don't like hydras.

The partner blame looks like every scum hydra I've seen.

I'm good with either vote.

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Since when does my play

not

make your gut feel bad?

Pre-fakeclaim in Newbie 1340. (Yeah, even the hammer didn't bother me as much as it bothered everyone else.)
Pre-reaction test in Micro 141.

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Mac's town to me because he didn't look like he faked not knowing whether scum had pre-game talk or not.

Yeah, I did say he was also town for scumhunting early, but then I forgot scum have to hunt scum too. I think I said this earlier.

You're also saying he didn't talk about the interactions anymore.

He also hasn't even posted in the game since. So that's not something to call him scum for.

So you have no opinion on Fuzzy yet?

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Heck, even I almost forgot that

the scum team

is composed of 3 members in this game.

"the" scum team?

UNVOTE: fuzzybutternut
VOTE: Bulbazak

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Great.

Mind posting something everyone else should care about?

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Syryana feels town to me with his post. Following a lot of my thought processes (except for the whole Zach thing but meh), easily strikes all the important parts of the game so far.

Mac's vote doesn't feel OMGUSy.

Bulb's reaction to my vote was calm. Still reads null to me though, but his explanation can probably make sense, considering the werewolf situation we're in.

TNE

still

isn't contributing anything. We should fix that.

UNVOTE: Bulbazak
VOTE: thenewearth

Do you have any explanations for your reads whatsoever? Because from what I can see, you aren't showing the slightest interest in scum hunting.

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Hmm...

I'm gonna read back on this Mac/Bulb/Fuzzy business.

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So I reread something.

The only town thing Mac's done is #58, and that was more of a slip than anything; still don't know if it's worth counting on, but I'd prefer we don't lynch Mac today.

I ISO'd Mac, Fuzzy, and Bulb together and Mac's early play regarding those two seems...off. I don't know, I think it did look like seeking town approval with his questions.

Maybe I was drinking when I first read that section of the game, idk.

But then Mac essentially ignores most everything that's happened so far and goes straight back to Bulb.

With that in mind, it looks more like OMGUS to me now.

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My vote on TNE is for pressure.

My 138 was explained further by Syryana. I didn't know if Bulb scum slipped or not. His answer quickly yielded results.

I'm sheeping because wagons help Day 1. Icebox first, but it lost momentum quickly. Switched to Fuzzy, my other big scum read. Bulb for his possible slip, but I liked his reaction. And now you, for previously having not contributed enough.

More later. Like tomorrow later.

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Tell me how sheeping wagons Day 1 is scum-motivated.

TNE, with a little thought, I feel like you could probably figure out what I meant by "the" scum team. I felt Bulb's response was sufficient enough not to question it any further.

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Meh, I was looking for wagons Day 1. They give off reactions or they don't.

But I like my vote where it is now, wagon-dying or not. TNE is struggling to look like he's scum hunting but he only has me in his sights, when there are so many more posts this game.

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Alright, Mac. I'll try to post my own thoughts. Even though, personally, I feel like I've been doing that with other people beating me to it first.

Hey, how about you post

your

thoughts on other players? You've mainly commented on like 3 people.

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176 has "robots"? What does that even mean?

I can agree about TNE/Icebox likely partners if TNE flips scum.

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Sorry, Syryana. I post fairly frequently around this hour.

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My bigger posts usually take some preview edits too, Egg. It's okay.

Speaking of, PEdit: For some reason I've lost interest in the fuzzy/bulbazak relationship. Bulbazak's interactions with Fuzzy in RVS make sense to me. We've played in a game before as lovers and I felt he really does what it takes to win, but I can also accept that Bulb would like a challenge from scum as well.

That's not to say Bulbazak isn't scum. I just feel there isn't really an associative tell between the two anymore.

However, I don't think Icebox and Fuzzy would be scum together either. My gut tells me Icebox wouldn't have voted/suspected Fuzzy if they were partners.

Another thing about Zach (checked him out after more thoroughly reading Icebox's catch-up): refused to answer Klick's random questions. Now I understand if they were dumb questions, but like I had suspected, there was a reason for the questions. Zach may not have answered them because he could be worried someone would suspect him for the wrong answer. Kinda like how TNE's suspicion originated in this game.

Plus, Zach does seem to be too agreeable with Klick's RQS. Why not answer the questions himself in a first post, and then say it was a good contributor to his scum reads?

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Meh, just read that Zach also might not have had time to answer the questions. So I'm less suspicious of Zach. But he's definitely not townie to me right now.

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You can't remember any of his posts because he's barely done anything. Duh.

I also can't see town forgetting there are two scum teams; scum just seems more likely, IMO.

@Mac: Thinking that werewolves are more aware than mafia that there are two scum teams makes me a little suspicious of you.

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Oh wait.

Never mind, yeah, Werewolves aren't a normal scum faction, and Mafia are. Okay, I can see where that's coming from.

@Bulb: I don't really see how it's "robotic" or anything though. Mind helping me out there?

Also can't see Icebox's response being a full-on defense, and how that paints him as scummy.

I also have Egg as town. He's been open to suspecting many players, something a townie should do considering they're looking for more scum than Mafia or Werewolves are. Bulb, why did you have Egg as scum initially?

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You mean in the beginning when Autti called me town and then made observations instead of noting townie details?

I noticed that. It's suspicious.

I don't see how that relates to "robots."

Or am I still missing it?

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Oh, click

Autti's

link. Okay.

I think I didn't bother clicking it earlier because I kinda knew what #167 had.

Sooooo why was that game-related?

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Curious about Rem's read on me. I understand not fully explaining a read to the rest of the game, you don't want to taint my reactions. But not explaining to your Hydra partner?

Man, one of these times it would be nice to play with a town Hydra, just to see what it's like.

Still happy with my vote on Fuzzy, and Icebox is still my #2.

Oh man.

This isn't looking good for you bro.

Also I've played with scum TNE before. This play of his isn't much different.

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For those that need me to explain (like the "the scum team" thing), Zach could easily be Icebox's partner if Icebox flipped scum. He's showing confidence in the hydra being scum with that last post, meaning he could be trying to score towncred if his buddy's lynched.

I mean, he's been on the Fuzzy wagon instead of Icebox, that way he doesn't have to actually contribute to his theoretical buddy's wagon.

Furthermore, this limits my chances of seeing an Icebox/Fuzzy relationship.

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TNE also only acted like an idiot in RQS this game. The rest of his posts look serious.

Seriously

stupid

.

Ohohoho

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That's not what I'm getting at though.

I'll have to metacheck Zach later and see if his town play involves calling his scum reads scum as he plays.

I know some players call their scum reads scum while describing their thought processes. I'm just checking whether that's normal for him or if it's a feasible scum slip.

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Okay, read a few games of his. He's never done anything like that before, but I haven't read a game where he was scum either.

He also barely has any completed games, but eh, I did what I could.

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Oh yeah, I forgot Egg did that.

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Yeah, they're only relying on your meta ATM.

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So you do feel like you aren't scum hunting?

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You're not answering my question.

You say this:

So if I scumhunt now does that make me scum? Seriously guys?

Which implies you haven't been scum hunting.

I don't want reads.

I want you to tell me whether or not you feel like you are really scum hunting so far.

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So you feel like you're scum hunting.

So explain why you said "if I scum hunt now" in 236.

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It sounded like "turn it on" instead of "turning up a notch."

So you really think people might suspect you if Icebox or Zach flipped scum?

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Do you still like where your vote is?

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UNVOTE: thenewearth
He can be town for now.

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Bulb, if I were scum, why would I tell scum to shoot the other team? If I'm on the team that can NK, I have no reason to "direct" that kill because it's my own kill. If I'm on the other team, I'm effectively telling them to shoot my team. There's no way at all that that makes sense as a scum tell.

Shhh...

Listen.

You hear that?

Sounds a lot like WIFOM.

Egg could be on werewolf team and fulfill his own prophecy. That's easily a possibility. He's right that it wouldn't make sense for him to be Mafia and tell Werewolves to shoot Mafia. Unless he's buss-happy.

Why are you worried anyway, Egg? We're sitting here telling you you're town and you're still worried about that one possible inconsistency.

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If you look at the questions I'm asking him in succession, you might understand where I'm getting at.

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He believes an Icebox or Zach scum flip will incriminate him.

But he's still voting Icebox.

TNE-scum probably would've voted someone else by now.

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But if TNE stayed on Icebox if Icebox were lynched, and Icebox flips town, TNE's probably gonna get a little suspicion from others regardless whether TNE is town or scum.

However, that's why I'm saying TNE is town

for now

. It depends on if the Icebox wagon (or a Zach wagon) picks up and his interactions related to those. If TNE retreats from the wagon, defends it, etc., could definitely be put back in my scum pool.

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I'm saying that TNE doesn't look worried about the suspicion an Icebox lynch would bring on him. That comes from a town mindset.

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Scum that give up Day 1 on a wagon usually have a heavy chance of being lynched.

TNE wasn't really in danger of a lynch yet. Why would he give up so early?

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TNE was nowhere near an obvious lynch.

If it was a "Fuck this, these people are dumb" thing, that's more town than scum right? Why would scum find the town dumb for voting the right person?

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Freshman, you want to read the thread and give us any opinions?

There's some decent stuff in there.

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You mean to my recent questions or just overall?

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Hell, it wouldn't hurt.

VOTE: zachattack

I liked Icebox's Zachscum explanation.

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I'm not really against a Zach lynch, But an explanation would be nice

You aren't against a

lynch

?

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...

No it isn't.

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Bulb, Fuzzy called TNE

scum

for that remark, not town.

It's also not a scum slip. But it's suspicious. Zach's barely done anything and he thinks his lynch won't bother him? And an explanation would be

nice

?

That makes it sounds like you don't care if you get the explanation or not, TNE.

Wagons and lynches are not the same thing. You shouldn't confuse them that easily.

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I haven't posted here in a while, have I?

Give me an hour. I'll be addressing Fuzzy's TNE vote, Icebox's WIFOM, and why Zach is still scum.

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Hm...that recent Fuzzy vote...interesting.

Okay, so we have the issues about:

- Fuzzy's TNE vote: He calls confusing a lynch for a wagon a "scum slip." It wasn't. However, when he posts again, he shrugs it off. Looks like someone trying to ask for town approval before continuing on the wagon/lynch.
- Icebox's WIFOM: Rem made that post, and with Rem's trust tell of clarifying he's town all the time, the WIFOM doesn't fit there. A little more suspicion.
- Zach's still scum: Pretty much Syryana's case. Also, while Zach says he isn't comfortable with his biggest town read being at L-2, he certainly doesn't show it.

I'd like to hear Klick's catch up. He's been staying heavily under the radar lately.

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I also like Zach's reaction, for another reason. He doesn't give out town or scum reads on everyone even after being pressured.

I feel like scum, when pressured, would put more effort into making more reads to appear townie. Zach isn't doing that here. He only added that Bulb was probtown.

UNVOTE: zachattack

I'm waiting for more from Fuzzy before making a decision on him.

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Autti, reads, now.

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Because I know fuzzy. He's not really like this when he's town

How is Fuzzy when he's town?

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Yeah, I was gonna post my overall thoughts so far late tonight on my computer. I've just noticed that you don't take much of a firm stance on scum and town reads the whole game.

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He's not an obvscum sheeper, from what I know

Explain when you get the chance.

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Null (not enough posts for a read):
- Klick
- Freshman

Neutral (enough posts to read but doesn't fall into Town or Scum):
- Mac
- Fuzzy
- Zach
- Bulbazak

Town:
- TNE
- Egg
- Syryana

Scum:
- Icebox
- Autti

Not necessarily in any order. And some aren't necessarily strong reads either. I'm not proud that I don't have more scum reads, but maybe the nulls will start posting and the neutrals can give me associative tells depending on a flip today.

If you have any questions about any of the players I've read (besides the nulls), ask me anything.

VOTE: Icebox

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Why Auttiscum, DBK?

Super fence sitting for a lot of the game. Just calling things suspicious. Anyone can call things suspicious. He seemed to be slipping under the radar for most of the game too (something scum likes to do). When I asked for reads he gave two town reads and two scum reads...I think. Even though he's called suspicious things out for multiple players all game.

Klick hasn't made enough posts for a read?

Nah. He'd be a scum read if he were active lurking, but he's said multiple times that he's been busy. I've felt overwhelmed in games before where I couldn't post enough to keep up.

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Hey DBK, does anybody on that list lean one way or the other?

I wanna say Bulb leans closer to town, Mac leans closer to scum, and that Fuzzy's neutrality to me may change in the near future. And that Zach was only recently neutral for how he's reacted.

But those are barely leans to me, not enough to place them in town or scum lists.

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Like the leans are gut-based, basically.

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If Icebox is town...hm...

I'll have to give that some thought.

But I don't like your reason for Autti scum. Unless he's like barely scum, then meh.

Also, why does Syryana's play not fit a werewolf, but could fit mafia?

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Awwww you've been following 1353? How sweet. <3

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Autti's reaction was awful.

I see Autti as scum if Icebox flipped town

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I had changed my mind about Icebox's reason for Autti-scum. He did say it was a lean, and there were a few reasons that made a little bit of sense. so I'm okay with it.

So anyway, in the case Icebox has against you, you actually ignore the second part of his case, call the first part OMGUS (which it wasn't), and cement your scum read on him for it.

I'm the type that defends players for crappy cases on each other, but no, I don't see why you think that warrants cementing your scum read. Not at all.

Also, why did you ignore Icebox's 382 or 383 (from which are actually logical points that you should either acknowledge or argue against), and instead ask why I though your reaction was awful (possible self-defense)?

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A lot of people here have cases against Icebox, but you don't see Icebox telling everyone else that their cases are shit and calling them scum for it.

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Yeah, Fuzzy's probably town everyone. Sorry to burst your bubbles.

Fuzzy's an idiot. But he's still voting Zach for reasons he's stated. Scum-fuzzy may try something like a vote on Icebox.

More Icebox/Autti votes.

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Didn't see it, Icebox. Sorry.

1.) why bring WIFOM into this?
Even as scum I would answer the same way.
2.) Autti and Bulb are town, as well as Klick and egg. You might be town, so that's a leaning read. TNE, Syr, and Rem are null to me. I haven't seen anything that has swayed me one way or another. Freshman and BEF are null too. did I miss anyone?

Me.

And Freshman replaced BEF.

Read the game.

Why is Autti town?

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He's done multiple little scummy things.

ISO him.

And still no opinion on me? C'mon fuzzy.

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Bo, I know this wasn't directed at me, but thene answered it and I have input so... fuzzy's town play makes it very obvious that he is genuinely trying to piece things together. He may get confused and make mistakes but it is painfully obvious that he is trying to find scum and lynch them. I get the same painfully obvious that he's trying vibe here, but it's more of a trying to fit in. That's why he looks like scum to me.

Have you played with fuzzy?

Like ever?

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The null read is for if he's actually busy.
The scum read is for if he's just trying to actively lurk (which could easily be a possibility, not liking his activity at this point).

My town read was based on Klick being town for asking the RQS questions and that was it, I didn't think about it very far. But then I remembered that town isn't the only faction that has to scum hunt, so Klick looking for werewolves isn't as townie as it seems.

And I only say werewolves because originally, Klick said that the answers due to questions showed possible werewolves. Not Mafia. Then later he changed his thought process.

That's why he isn't town to me anymore.

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My town read was based on Klick being town for asking the RQS questions and that was it, I didn't think about it very far. But then I remembered that town isn't the only faction that has to scum hunt, so Klick looking for werewolves isn't as townie as it seems.

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Yes, but Klick didn't mention this first.

ISO him. See what he says first about the RQS.

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Meh, he never really mentioned using the RQS to

determine

Mafia though. Just werewolves.

Until later of course.

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But how does saying it later with no prompting make him null? Isn't that good? It shows an honesty and willingness to be open without prompting by others. The question is clearly designed for both alignments. If anything, it's geared toward finding Mafia over werewolves.

Unrelated (but related): your Fuzzy read. It's our meta understanding of him versus yours. A lot of these players have played with Fuzzy. For those who haven't (and if you're a player that uses meta) please compare his scum and town games.

@ Bulb: Explain why you think Fuzzy's response makes him town.

-Rem

Theoretical Mafia-Klick might've said it later without prompting because going on about werewolves instead of switching to finding both werewolves and Mafia with the RQS would make him suspicious, right?

Why are you so intent on me thinking Klick is town, anyway?

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So I'm not allowed to have a null read on Klick, Bulb?

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It isn't enough for a scum read.

It's enough for a not-town-yet read.

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*cough* prod dodge *cough*

I'll

probably

get serious later. Depending on stuff

Start doing this shit like in Open 484 and you'll lose my town read.

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*yawn*

I'm not gonna be on for a while tomorrow night. Birthday shenanigans and what-not.

Any questions tonight?

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I'm surprised he's just finding it odd instead of suspicious.

But my comment could be interpreted as helping TNE be better scum, sure.

But when TNE was scum in 484 and we told him to be more active, he really wasn't.

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Shit, 3 days until deadline.

Why haven't we lynched Icebox yet?

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@Icebox: What do you think of my #399? Because you seemed not to care why I even called Fuzzy town, as shown in your #400. Looks like deflection.

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Icebox is definitely doing more productive things than you tbh.

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Town fuzzy is pretty defensive too.

I know that scum can be productive too. My point was that he was scum hunting more than you were.

And Fuzzy's P-edit toward Icebox is a dumb response.

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Well this is gonna be awkward.

UNVOTE: Icebox

I just skimmed an ISO of Icebox and...why the

fuck

did I think he was scum?

I'll let you guys ponder on my unvote since I'll be gone for a while.

Fuzzy's still town though. I'd really,

really

rather not vote him today, but if deadline's too close and he's the only possible lynch, I'll go for it.

VOTE: Autti
Just to see if this catches on. Probably won't, but Autti's still a scum read to me, I'm sure of that.

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Well, I was gonna go back in your ISO and pick out some of the things Bulb did, but after thinking about them again, I didn't have that strong of a scum read on you.

So basically:
1. It wasn't something in the ISO that made me stop suspecting you. It was the lack thereof.
2. I wanted to look for things Bulb found in his case, but I got bored and skimmed the ISO. Forgot why you were my top scum read, tbh.

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I guess I'm just waiting for your catch-up, Bacde.

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Hi Klick.

Where the fuck have you been?

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Wow, calling that a slip, I see.

It can be interpreted both ways.

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Wow, calling that a slip, I see.

It can be interpreted both ways.

Scumbuddy?

Totes.

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Klick, why was Icebox basically town for most of the game, then scum to you?

And what's supposed to happen when Fuzzy's at L-1? Or is that a secret?

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Icebox.

Town motivation for trying to out Fuzzy as the seer.

Go.

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I wanna hear why Icebox thought it was town motivated though.

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Don't see town motivation for Icebox to fish for the seer and out it for everybody.

Considering switching to Icebox, but Klick hasn't explained how his process had changed from "basically confirmed town" to "lol vote Icebox"

Still hasn't answered my question, btw.

I understand the slip now, Bulb. I read the sentence wrong (I forgot who said why it might not have been a slip, but I read what they said. If that makes any sense.)

Mac and Bacde are town.

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Well that makes sense.

UNVOTE:

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Looks like a seer claim to me. Unless anyone counterclaims.

Icebox looked like he was fishing for a fakeclaim instead of a role claim.

VOTE: Klick

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lets not ask for ccs and out the real seer please

Wasn't asking for CCs. Just saying I believe it for now.

@Klick: you're also voting Fuzzy instead of Icebox when you say Icebox slipped as scum. You've been absent most of the game and haven't even shown interest in commenting on anything you missed except the setup questions Bacde had.

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My phone's at like 4% and I don't have a charger and SHITTT

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Convenient store chargers then?

But seriously though, I may not be on here long enough.

@Icebox: Klick hasn't been here either, and your town read on Klick was based on that he called you scum through a trust tell. That's not the case anymore. Thoughts?

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1. also scores Klick "towncred" if the Fuzzy lynch would've gone through.
2. isn't really relevant to Mac's point.

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If you're just referring to Mac's 662, yes, point #2 is completely irrelevant. He's saying scum will normally hop on any wagon they see fit with a scum tell. Just because there are two factions doesn't make the statement that much different.

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Fuzzy read the game.

I have to go until I can find a way to get back in this game. Sucks, everything just got active here.

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YES my friend gave me a charger.

Fuzzy, I thought you meant you didn't see Icebox's seer crumb.

Your supposed "crumb" was that you thought you were important enough to put survival ahead of scum hunting. Even though I know, through playing with you in games, that your

playstyle

is basically that.

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*shrug*

So Klick should be lynched today.

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TNE, Icebox thought Fuzzy tried laying fake bread crumbs to fakeclaim Seer, when Icebox is (probably) the real seer.

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Me neither, tbh.

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I struck it up as Fuzzy meta instead of Fuzzy PR behavior.

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Yeah Autti's definitely a wonderful scum choice for tomorrow. Unless Fuzzy actually does get lynched. Then Klick or Autti tomorrow.

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Bacde doesn't have me as town.

I

do

have you three as most town, though, so I don't mind following that bloc.

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TNE Icebox is town. You can't say half a hydra makes someone scum.

By choice for tomorrow, if Klick's lynched today, Autti tomorrow. If Fuzzy is lynched, I'll sheep Klick or Autti tomorrow, whichever has the bigger wagon.

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Oh look, Fuzzy's probably town because of his reaction to the not-hammer.

So

surprising.

Lynch Klick.

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Fuzzy's been a town read for me since forever.

I was being sarcastic with Fuzzy being a sudden town read after the not-hammer.

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I'm cool with the bloc, yo.

Fuzzy's reads were terrible, I agree.

PEdit: I'd explain why but I'm on my phone.

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He kept a vote on Zach after everyone else left his wagon. I would've considered him scum if he immediately got off of Zach after the wagon wasn't worth pursuing.

Wasn't a strong town read, but I didn't find him scummy most of the game. Maybe early game, I don't remember.

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Fuzzy's recent behavior seems like playstyle to me, if anything. I mean if we can't lynch Klick today and it's close to deadline I'll lynch Fuzzy, he's not

that

town to me.

Also, Bulb, I don't see anything wrong with Egg having 6 scum reads.

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dbk don't ruin it for me :/

What am I ruining for you?

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Because...?

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I just don't see what makes him such a scum read for everyone, that's all. Klick and Autti look like much better options.

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VOTE: TNE

Was that a scum slip?

This looked pretty opportunistic in the first place.

He also had scum and town reads before a flip in that game.
VOTE: zachattack

This also looked fairly opportunistic, "elaborating" on Syryana catching scum. And fuzzy has a scum read on Syryana now.

So...Icebox/Klick team then?

VOTE: Klick

And so did this. And what does Fuzzy have Klick as scum for?

Opportunistic voting. I had him as a town read for a while, but that's dropped significantly. So that, mixed with other things that have already been said, yeah. Def scum.

P-edit: Holy shit stop posting so much. :s

I had checked Fuzzy's ISO and basically, this could be scummy. Can someone else give me the details on why else fuzzy is scum?

Also, somewhere else in Fuzzy's ISO, he said Klick was town for trying to get the game going. This was early in the ISO. And then Klick superlurks for a while. Lol

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Opportunism is actually a perk of scum-Fuzzy, a la Newbie 1340.

Survivalism is a perk of...just Fuzzy, a la pretty much every game I've played him in.

But

, Fuzzy's reads are actually shit-terrible. So bad that I feel like scum talking in twilight would get reads out like that to fuck up the town.

I may vote fuzzy actually, but not now. Probably my second WTF revelation in this game after my decision to unvote Icebox.

Is Fuzzy at L-1?

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Probably scum. But I want to see what everyone else has Fuzzy as scum for besides opportunism.

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Right, okay, after looking through his ISO, he hadn't been as open with his scum hunting as he had with other games. Like in this game, the only individual scum hunting he did was at the very beginning of the game when he was looking at me. Other than that, he didn't really stand out as obvious as he was in other games.

Okay I can see it now. Intent to hammer later today.

Why do some people have Syryana as scum?

And Autti lynch tomorrow. Or Klick. The apathy thing isn't a very good point to lean town for him, GM.

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VOTE: fuzzybutternut

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GM's reads are pretty crap, tbh. Even his read on me is bogus (sticking to my guns? I think I've changed my mind enough this game to where sticking to my guns doesn't make sense to me). But why do you think Fuzzy is town now, Bacde?

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I think its more likely that the last werewolf bussed fuzzy than voted for klick

Why?

VOTE: Autti

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Okay, that makes sense.

I feel like Syryana is obvious town here for some reason. Why isn't he obvious town to you Bacde?

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Wait, not to Bacde, to GM. Sorry

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>.> I'll remember this, DBK.

quick who do we go after tomorrow

This is what I was referring to when I asked why you thought Fuzzy was town.

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I feel like Syryana is obvious town here for some reason. Why isn't he obvious town to you?

Blatant trolliness, for one thing.

Huh?

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Hm...

I'll have to look at Egg later. It's a nice theory.

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Bulb, did you side-by-side everyone or just your top suspects?

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I completely forgot Mac existed. Any new conclusions with that?

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Sorry about asking rather than doing the legwork myself, I'm doing a last-minute check on all my games before I start hard-studying for exams.

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I'll be

V/LA until Saturday, May 11, 2013

.

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Mod, never mind, I won't be V/LA anymore.

I'd also like to state that I'm fairly confident Autti and Klick are both scum, and that I'll be on the wagon with more votes.

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Fuzzy also knows plenty of players in this game know how he's played as scum.

For example, Mac noticed it and said that's what Fuzzy usually tells his scumbuddies.

Fuzzy

could

be using that to his advantage (he may not be the best player, but he's tried faking out players before), or it was just a grudge he has with me (since I'm on 100% of his lynches in every game I've played with him).

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Who triple checks for a cop claim, claims cop, knows a scum, and doesn't vote him?

But anyway, the comment is a null tell, I agree. I wonder why Mac pointed it out and didn't even comment on it after that

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I wasn't trying to turn anything on you Mac. I was wondering why you pointed it out in the first place if it was null and no one else had commented on it.

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Why?

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It's not my place to say why it isn't important, Mac. It's my place to ask why you think it's important, or that it's worth remembering.

If you thought I was werewolf in the first place, Mac, why didn't you just say so?

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Syr.

That Bulb scum read

reeks

.

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@Syr: You think Bulb is scum because
- he pointed out something about 3 scum instead of 5. Which is suspicious, but I highly doubt it warrants a lynch anytime soon. Could be Mafia (only thinking Mafia has three members) or Werewolf (Only looking for three scum members).
- he avoided the topic after Icebox's claim. I saw his response and it looked solid, IMO. Bulbazak isn't a rapid-poster, and he seems like the type to drop everything when a PR claims.

Reason he's Mafia and not Wolf: he's avidly hunting for the wolf. Well, firstly, it's not unlike Bulb to try to abolish a NK before focusing on Mafia (ANY Nightless is better than something with a NK), because I know that Bulb is the type of player willing to do anything to make his wincon easier. Getting rid of the NK does also help Mafia, but also Town. (And Mafia may like leaving the NK there if they believe the Wolf will hit town that night.)

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Town wouldn't typically get into semantic arguments amongst themselves

why

This.

I see town vs. town arguments like that all the time.

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Okay, hopefully I can be more active now. Getting back to this later today

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Yeah, Bulb's scum-case on him is bologna. It's mostly RVS stuff that Bulb believes could be true, but definitely doesn't look like much to anyone but Bulb.

That's pretty much everything right? I was gone for two days and saw nothing really worth commenting on. If I missed a question tell me.

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Bulb, let's be real, you're not getting your Egg lynch today. No one else has given him a large scumread.

Why is TNE telling you he's the third Mafia member with his post? I mean, his posting recently's been pretty poor, but I didn't think it was that condemning.

If Bulb votes Autti I'll switch back to Autti. Still standing by whichever wagon is bigger from Klick/Autti I'll be on.

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Oh wait, I meant to UNVOTE:
and VOTE: Klick.

The case on Mac isn't very concrete (I read most of the case as RVS instead of actual scum tells), plus Mac has been pretty townie to me the whole game. He's not that town, but Autti and Klick feel much better for scum to me.

Egg scum also doesn't feel right to me. I took a look at it when you first voted Egg and I didn't think it warranted a scum read. Egg's been transparent the whole game (I know someone else had already said that, but I totally agree with it.)

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I was fairly sure about Fuzzy's alignment until near-deadline. It wasn't until I looked at the ISO myself (maybe even twice in a row) that I had changed my mind.

I asked about L-1 because at that moment, if I knew he wasn't at L-1, I would've voted Fuzzy. But then I did check his ISO again, felt his play was a little more reserved than I can remember, and felt like hammering.

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I wanted town to win. Simply because Syr got rid of most of the Mafia on his own.

Oh well, Syr did a good job. Especially considering the Fuzzy D1 lynch.

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I saw your hydra comment Bo. I'm actually giving hydras a shot recently. If our playstyles don't clash too much, I wouldn't mind taking a shot at hydraing together.

Hmm...

I'll send you a PM.