Open 493 - Jungle Republic. (Game Over - Werewolf Victory)

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And so we meet again, 72.727272727% of the playerlist! (WHOA REM/GIF hydra, super SCARY)

I'll be reading reading reading as fast as I cannnnnnn (you can't catch me i'm the gingerbread mannnnnn)

For those of you who have never encountered me, I probably look like a complete idiot. That impression may or may not change.

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fuzzy!

I'M STILL SO SORRY

I PROMISE I WILL TRY VERY HARD NOT TO DO STUPID SHIT LIKE THAT AGAIN

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Newbie... 1326 I think? Quick summary: I was very sure uberninja was scum and pretty sure fuzzy was Town, then they both claimed PRs and somehow I decided to go completely the other way even though I was right the first time.

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Yeah, also I will

Unvote

until I've read the whole thing.

Just realized Bacde just replaced in before me.
LOL I RECALL A TIME MAC AND REM AND I TROLLED THE SHIT OUT OF YOU CHEERFULLY

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Rem referenced it early on, I was reading the endgame and it's still hilarious.

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Honestly if Wisdom replaced in this game would be PERFECT

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I am nearly a third of the way through. I'll probably stop after pg 10 and go to bed, but I'll go ahead and post my impressions of that part of the game tonight and finish catching up in the next 24 hours.

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Alright, it's time for a new breed of catch-up: 3 MOST IMPORTANT THINGS
wherein I choose the three most important or off or otherwise noteworthy things from a page and note them down so I don't have to read almost thirty pages again for context. Also so I have some sort of scumreads/townreads thing going that I won't lose track of. It turned into mainly the latter as my comprehension skills diminished.

Spoiler: p 1-10

1:
Syr's interaction with the mod feels forced.
Egg's townfeel on Syr feels weird.
fuzzy's "oh, RQS, okay" feels weird.

2:
Icebox's double RQS is weird.
DBK's call for sheep like 5 posts after sheeping. Just...
Icebox's going after DBK's vote but not Egg's looks HIGHLY suspect.

3:
Mac's prodding looks vaguely Town.
fuzzy's responses look vaguely Town.
DBK's behaviour looks rather Town.

4.
Egg's point on Mod interactions makes me itch.
tne's every post makes me twitch.
Klick's RQS explanation makes me feel like a stupid bitch.

5.
After the last page, Klick's sudden reversal on Icebox doesn't feel right.
Egg seems to have been trying too hard in 104.
Sudden fuzzy wagon makes no sense.

6.
Bulba's play looks different. Why? Slip though? Probably not.
Syr's big post looks wrong somehow.
Autti is flying quite under the radar.

7.
Egg is... agreeing with my predecessor's blatant stupidity?
Scratch the earlier unease, Bulba's playing Town and so is Klick.
tne and Autti, on the other hand...

8.
Mac and DBK are not likely both the same faction, except maybe Town.
Icebox head, y u no thread?
Bulba. Robots. Of all the things you could point out, it's that Autti doesn't correctly use a post tag?

9.
DBK appears to be drunk this page
my predecessor redeems himself
fuzzy also seems drunk

10.
Egg's 225 looks Town but lacks substance. Don't know how I feel about it.
tne and DBK both come off more town from that exchange.
Why would Egg try to WIFOM Bulba?

Reads at the end of the first 10 pages:
Town: DBK, Bulba
Leaning Town: Mac, Klick
Null: Bacde's slot, Egg
Leaning Scum: Syr, tne, fuzzy
Scum: Icebox, Autti

PEDIT: THE FUCK IS THIS SEER BULLSHIT

I GUESS I'LL FIND OUT TOMORROW

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@Bacde, you're the type for wagon analysis. Given how easily the wagon on Klick gained speed, does it feel "right" to you?

Given that Bacde was the one telling everyone to vote Klick, why are you asking him?

That's exactly who should be asked about it, the wagon pusher. SRSLY, WHY ASK ANYONE ELSE?

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Goodmorning, I always try hard in the early game. I've recently been called scum for it in almost all of my games. What stupidity did I agree with? I can't find it. As for my thing about telling werewolves to shoot mafia, it was discussed in length. Yes, it benefits the werewolves a ton to shoot mafia. It also benefits town. If you can't see why, I have no help for you.

The whole partner blame thing you seem to have taken as more likely a scumtell. That was the stupidity.
What thing about telling werewolves to shoot mafia? Nowhere did I say anything about that.

and say the person before you played poorly?

Are you trying to tell me zach didn't play poorly? He had like one good post total.

One more thing goodmorning. Why such a strong town read on bulb? The rest of your post never indicated this.

Well, mostly meta.

Ignoring GM's catch up post until reasoning is posted. Lots of feelings with no justifications are garbage.

Says youuuuuuu

GM doesn't have time to read past page 10, but has time to talk about completed games and question Autti and stuff?

Simply put, yes. Catching up is a bit of a slog for me. I like my distractions, and if it's to talk about enjoyable things or question things that seem off then I' so there.

GM is leaning scum because I had a scumread on her predecessor Zach and I really don't like her unexplained catchup post. The contents of the p1-10 spoiler make me scratch my head, as do her reads. Will devolve to a definite scumread if she doesn't have some damn good explanations.

I don't see why you would need explanations for most of those things. They are either obvious, or opinion (for the most part).

SYR QUIT STEALIN MOVES
WE ALL KNOW WHERE YOU GOT THAT FAKEHAMMER SHIT FROM

At any rate I don't see that as necessarily a Town reaction from fuzzy, I've done better "final reads" lists than that as scum and I don't see why he wouldn't be able to try and bluff it.

I'm postponing or cancelling thorough reread in favour of skimming. Be done shortly.

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Egg is casting a wide net in #769. Called or implied that 6 people were scum.

To be fair there are 5 Scum in the game, as has been hashed out to death like every five or so pages.

So I definitely fell asleep last night at around page 28. Gentlemen, here we go:

Updated reads list:
Town: Icebox (for uncc), Egg (for transparency), DBK (for sticking to his guns)
Lean Town: Klick (most recently, for apathy), Mac (because meta)
Null: Bulba (because I can't stop flipflopping), Bacde (for not having read back (there's some interesting stuff back there))
Lean Scum: tne (because 90% of his posts are unhelpful), Syr (because meta)
Scum: Autti (for being obvScum), fuzzy (in 99 posts, little substance, plus shitty "last reads" list)

Since there doesn't appear to be a wagon on Autti today...

Vote: fuzzy

That should be L-1.

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90% unhelpful posts is tne's MO as town (probably as scum too but thats not a reason to scumread tne)

Not in my experience with him.

Syr is scum because meta and no explanation beyond that?

Yes. As Town Syr's pretty blatantly obvious.

Also you have me as null "for not having read back" even though I've made a

HUGE, OPINIONATED

impact on the game as SOON as I entered?

1. Huge opinionated impacts are a null tell.
2. You're a hugely opinionated and impactful player, and playstyle's not a tell either.

(sticking to my guns? I think I've changed my mind enough this game to where sticking to my guns doesn't make sense to me).

Sticking to your guns where Scum would likely have chilled out and faded into the background. I'll try to find where I was looking when I said that.

Vote: autti

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I feel like Syryana is obvious town here for some reason. Why isn't he obvious town to you?

Blatant trolliness, for one thing.

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Calling it now: Bulba vs. Bacde won't turn out to be Town v Town.

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What are your thoughts on the exchange?

For a start you both seem to be somewhat ignoring each other's points, rendering it at least vaguely a repetition case. (because it actually starts before 945 somewhere and then the semantic argument begins) ("klick was influenced by a slip, that makes him scum" "he does that as Town" "no, Scum")
Add to that the fact that the most recent bit is largely a semantic argument (particular bit I am referencing here starts at 945) ("that wasn't a slip" "yes it was" "no, a slip comes from scum" "well it looked like a slip"), and it looks pretty likely. Town wouldn't typically get into semantic arguments amongst themselves, usually Scum is involved somewhere. So at least one of {you, Bacde, Klick} is probably Scum.
As a caveat, it's not particularly likely that you and Bacde are both Scum (at least, not of the same team) because of the breadth and depth of discussion on page 38 in particular.


@Syr: lololololololol

THE POINT

YOUR HEAD

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Town wouldn't typically get into semantic arguments amongst themselves

why

Because semantic arguments aren't real. They're just a distraction and they don't really benefit anyone (except perhaps scum who want an "appearance's sake" argument "win" or scum who want to clog the thread with distracting shit like "let's define these words").

I see town vs. town arguments like that all the time.

I don't.

@goodmorning, why would town not get in a semantics argument?

Why ask twice?

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Are we still hung up on the whole slip thing? Yawn.

Can someone point me to an Autti case?

Other than his entire ISO? Not that I recall.

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What in the actual fuck.

Also

V/LA. I return Tuesday.

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@Bacde: I can'ttttttt I have to packkkkkkkk

Vote: Princess

For residual Autti scumminess.

Like honestly I have no idea what's going on, two of my townreads have turned out to be not-Town, so I really need to do a reassessment before I can really be productive and I just don't have the time. But the Autti slot looks objectively bad regardless of all the flips, so I feel pretty confident about it.

[WIFOM] The thing that really makes me wonder about the Werewolf in particular is that Bacde is still alive. If they

were

aiming for Town, why hit DBK? Most people did have Townreads on him, yes, but

everyone

had a Townread on Bacde. Plus Bacde is more coherent and more noisy than DBK was. This is the big WIFOMy question I am entertaining at the moment.[/WIFOM]

PEDIT: Lol, scummy princess. You'll have to do better than "you can't prove it", and please stop trying to fake towntells, it's right in the ruleset that the wolf faction gets a kill and the mafia faction doesn't. You came in apparently knowing the setup, how would you not know the modifications?

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Princess is mafia, because her vote yesterday was an obvious bus. She was under a considerable amount of suspicion yesterday, and bussing Klick was on opportunity to gain towncred, which she is going after with a vengeance:

I don't know why you had Autti as scum. I don't care. I'm not Autti and I'm Town. Also, I helped lynch a non Town as my very first vote. That buys me at least one opportunity to be wrong.

Because of this, it doesn't make sense for her to be the last wolf. The only way this would work was if she knew for sure that Klick was mafia, and the only way she'd know that was if she was his partner. Therefore, Princess is the last mafia.

So a quote from after the flip is supposed to tell us something about gamestate before the flip? Riiiiiight.

Bulb, tell me why I would have shot bo if I was werewolf.

Bo was in the null/scummy area of everybody's reads, essentially putting him in the gray area.

In which universe?

I lynched him thinking he was the other werewolf. My goal was to take out one killing faction if at all possible. He was anti-Town so it didn't really matter to me as Town.

And you made that decision, analyzing all of the possible interactions of 40+ pages after only 17 minutes? I don't think so. Let's be honest, you were under extreme suspicion and you needed an out, so you bussed your buddy for towncred. Heck, you even congratulated him on his self-vote.

Regardless of whether it's bussing (she's maf) or just luck (she's wolf), the really scummy thing about her vote was its opportunism.

Bulba, I know you can do waaaaaaaaaay better than this. Like a lot.


@Princess Proton: I asked you this:

Please stop trying to fake towntells, it's right in the ruleset that the wolf faction gets a kill and the mafia faction doesn't. You came in apparently knowing the setup, how would you not know the modifications?

Please respond.

@Bacde: Look, I posted. It's a pooooost

@Syr: Don't bother reading Bulba's thing, unless you like bad arguments.

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There were no votes on the slot so it's not like there was any pressure there.

I giggled at this. A lot.

@Princess Proton: I asked you this:

See response to Bulb above. Did not read.

How were you aware of the setup?

Now where did you come up with the even/odd night thing? It looks so specific it could be fake.

That's what I was asking. Her answer, and I quote "I didn't read." Yet she knew the setup.

And nothing else happened while I was gone.

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Just looked up Klick's ISO.

Princess Proton claims to have only read Klick's ISO prior to the end of D2. Note the following from said ISO:

Setup stuff - It's 7 Town (1 Seer), 3 Mafia (No kill), and 2 Werewolves (Kill).

Yet Princess Proton claimed not to know that only the wolf faction gets a kill.

Conclusion: Princess Proton is Scum and was faking in hopes of Towncred.

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WHY DOES SHE NEVER RESPOND TO ME

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So you don't have any refutation then. Good to know.

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@Princess: When you replace into a slot that is a universal scumread, don't expect people to change their opinions just because the player is new. The slot is the same, and your slot, even without your less-than-townish contributions, is scummy as the Everglades in July.

When you replace into a suspicious slot, you fight, provide reads, try very hard to be useful and pro-Town. You strive for optimal play. You make good arguments and you rebut everything you can. You don't just give up and say "you guys are being ridiculous."

In conclusion: Replacing into a suspicious slot means you don't get given the opportunity to be considered Town, you have to fight for it.
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If this is the case, how do you defend against people saying "you're not Town because you claimed to be Town when you replaced into a scummy slot?"¹ That's the big argument against my slot currently.² Oh, that and because I had the audacity to come in and vote for scum in 17 minutes [or whatever the timing was]³.

Is there an actual case on this slot outside of this nonsense?⁴

1. Who said that and where? I don't see it.
2. Not the "you got caught trying to fake towncred" argument?
3. There are two ways of looking at this, both of which imply scumminess:
A. You came in and voted for the top wagon. This is a fairly common move for Scum because it can be well justified. Deadline was not

that soon

, and if you were Town I would have expected you to try to make the most informed decision possible, questioning and reading as much as you were able before voting.
B. You came in and voted for your partner. (This way assumes that you are Mafia which I personally would disagree with.) (It has been argued half to death by Bacde and I think Egg, so I'll leave it at that for now.)
4. Yes, there was quite a bit of stuff on Autti IIRC and there are several things on you that you have ignored/misrepped/misinterpreted. I may do a bit of a search and find mission on it this evening but on the offchance you are Town you may want to look into the matter yourself.

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1. Who said that and where? I don't see it.

The first thing she does when she replaces in is say that she is town. This seems forced and overdone

I call out that logic that in post 1177.

Alright. You kind of misrepresented his argument a bit, but I can see where you'd get that.
Personally I'd disagree with that particular argument of his because I've personally said "I'm Town" replacing in as Town (though I kinda had a reason for that based on history with another player), but there are many better ones.

2. Not the "you got caught trying to fake towncred" argument?

No. Because that's silly. Town can actually look for legitimate "towncred" when their slot is being mislynched so that's a non issue.

Which is where the word "fake" comes in. I've seen people bring up shit they've done as Town saying "look how town this is" (though it's useless anyway because hello, actions speak louder than words) but this isn't that. This is you going "oopsies, I don't have any idea what the setup is" even though you knew there were 2 factions and had read klick's ISO in which was plainly stated the precise roles and their precise powers.

There's actually a 3rd way of looking at it, which is not presented here and happens to be the situation. It goes like this.
C.

I lynched him thinking he was the other werewolf. My goal was to take out one killing faction if at all possible. He was anti-Town so it didn't really matter to me as Town.

Side note: Oddly enough this is one of the relevant quotes to my argument above.
How did you find a chance in hell of him being Wolf? Everyone who found him scummy seemed to universally agree that he was likely Mafia.
Either way, that pretty much looks like it falls under option A: you came in and jumped on the biggest bandwagon.
Therefore, I don't find your option C to be a valid addition to the dilemma.

4. on the offchance you are Town you may want to look into the matter yourself.

I have. There isn't a case. That's why I asked for one.

And then you ignored it when people tried to answer you, fixing only on the weaker points and ignoring the strong.

Hillarious banter and all, but not actually contributing anything of substance or attempting to resolve the Autti/PP slot. So your high horse sermon about how all I had to do was come in here and be obvtown is frankly nonsense and completely unrealistic given the actual game state. If Syryana or Bacde, for example, were interested in resolving the game rather than tunneling on this slot, they would be providing evidence as requested numerous times.

Why do you expect them to try to resolve your slot? They've resolved that you're Scum. I tend to agree though I am willing to hear you out.
On the contrary, it's incredibly realistic. I'm just not sure whether you have the ego for it. (When you came in, what I saw first and foremost was a player who's not that comfortable with pressure and will downplay it and pretend it doesn't exist as much as possible.)
As for Bacde, I think he's provided ample reasoning that for the most part has yet to be responded to.

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My personal thought on the bet, just to add my two cents, was this question: why did she only say wolf? Why not Mafia also? My conclusion is that she was focused on the wolf because she is the wolf.

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Everyone was saying she was

Scum

.

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Kuribo replaces TNE. Be afraid.

OH SHIT
NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN MR HOGAN

newbish desparation

Is not an alignment tell.

I personally think she's wolf.
As per your "I think that's a stupid play", newbs do stupid shit all the time and stop assuming she's Mafia if she's Scum.

Best. Replacement. Ever.

wtf I replaced in too

AND ME ;n;

So kuribo

scum have a very low chance of winning this game unless they pull of some good gambits and work together

you aren't trying to derail a scum lynch are you?

This is a silly assumption. There's not a whole lot of reasons the Mafia would want to work with the Wolf, particularly because that scenario would inevitably end up with the Mafia dead.

plus I'm of the opinion that PP is a wolf, which sorta refutes your "scum wouldn't have townreads on their buddies" theory

This is a less silly assumption.

What? Someone reading the game that isn't also falling for the "gut/wifom" tunnel I can't defend against? Amazeballs.

You have not even attempted to refute my points. Neither do they fall into the "gut/WIFOM" category.
Apparently I gave you too much credit.

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anyway i dont know the setup because the link to it in the OP is broken in the wiki
is there one of each left? thats the assumption im working under

Original setup: 2 Wolf (get kill) 3 Mafia (do not get kill) 7 Town (1 is Seer (WolfCop))
Current setup: 1 Wolf, 1 Mafia, 6 VT

the flailing can be faked, but like i said my gut reaction to it is that its not

I didn't say it was faked, I said it was not a Towntell. It isn't.

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I'm gonna say she was a newbie and unaware of the whole bet thing.

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It's been almost a full day since anybody has posted. Ya'll should get on that.

I unexpectedly ended up at the beach.


I have nothing more to say really, but after Princess's flip I think I'll read up overnight on Bulba, Egg, and Syr as the three who look most odd to me.
Bacde is almost certainly Town. kuribo I probably can't read anyway. Mac looks Town to me right now.

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Because of your ferocious gambit skills

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Egg is underwhelming to me and quite likely scum

If hes maf and princess the wolf, wouldnt he be mpre interested in her lynch?

Doesn't that assume that he would

know

Princess's alignment?


I still think Princess is the Wolf and needs to be lynched.

Oh. i forgot goodmorning

;_;

Ugh guysssssss why are you trying to make me go back and read the thread during the Dayyyyyy

lazyyyyyyyy

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Maybe I'm being silly, but I don't see what the Wolf would gain from defending the Mafia.

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Maybe I'm being silly, but I don't see what the Wolf would gain from defending the Mafia.

towncred if he is harddefending for a townflip, extra time and stuffs.

basically people suspect Princess is a wolf. princess kinda wolf slipped with the bet alittle.

if egg is the wolf he will know she isn't the wolf ergo he is defending her flip.

The bolded is actually kind of a good point. Something is still striking me as kind of wrong with the mechanics of the argument, but I have no idea what it is, I'll let you know if I figure it out.

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Bulba is excellent as Scum though.

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PP is like the keystone to the arch that is the mystery of this game

we have to take it out to make the scum crumble

This is a fair point.

Besides which, even in the unlikely event that she did flip Town it's not like we wouldn't still have time to catch the actual Scum. And it would definitely remove the question.

Which is why I'm wondering why Bulba and Syr seem to see the need to prolong the inevitable?

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@Syr: I mean that you are attempting a lynch today that is not Princess, when we all know that she will be lynched eventually. I'm guessing based on the way these things usually go that this will lead to a dearth of conversation tomorrow.

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but seriously, the NK last night makes more sense if PP is a wolf too, I think

since DBK did push on Autti more than anyone else

Especially if we consider that anyone who had actually been reading the thread would likely have killed you as strongest town.

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That was so unexpected as to make me uncomfortable.

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Aaaaand Princess still hasn't been lynched. I'm beginning to suspect that this will remain the case for the rest of the Day.

Egg, why so desperate? Are you Town with the "I'm the only competent one" outlook or are you Scum? Either way it kind of makes me want to lynch you instead of Princess.

Side note:

For the record, I've avoided joining games that Kuribo is in before...

Haha, for the record I've gone out of my way to join a game that kuribo was in. He's awfully fun, though I think it would give me a headache to play him more than once or twice every three months.

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Haha, for the record I've gone out of my way to join a game that kuribo was in. He's awfully fun, though I think it would give me a headache to play him more than once or twice every three months.

i seriously don't remember ever playing with you

Hardly surprising considering I was TS Eliot at the time.

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ohhh

your posts really turned me on

i remember you now

You have no idea how hard I actually laughed when I read this.

Author Mafia was pretty awesome.

Yes it was. A really great kick-off to my entry to the site.

Now back to relevant things:
PRINCESS WHERE ARE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
(thought: are we going to let her get replaced (if she does get replaced) or just lynch her?)

I really wish I had more to say but I have been lazy on ISOs.

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Egg, why do you rate Syr as Townier than Bacde?

Also

V/LA til Wednesday

.

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Yeah, last time I saw someone say "that guy is Town because Mod interactions" was UberNinja here.
Guess his flip.

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That would be one hell of a taunt, but from DBK I could kinda see it.

I can see why people think Mac is Town but am becoming less sure about Bacde myself and Syr is still in my bottom three. Still working on reread, sorry it's been crazy for me recently.

what bothers me most about egg was that he was willing to lynch himself over PP which is fucking strange. and makes him more mafia than wolf.

Says wolf to me. Why does it say mafia to you?

I could see an Egg lynch here but I definitely want to finish reread before I hop on it.

@Egg: That's a lot of "if"s.

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I think that whoever said it before (Bacde?) got it right: that he saw her all but claim wolf with the wager and decided to defend in hopes of towncred because he knew she was not the wolf.

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(And he knew she was not the wolf because he is the wolf)

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Vote: Egg

I realise I'm pretty bad at reading Bulba but I really don't think it's him. More on this when I get back.

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WHOA I AM BEING LAZY RIGHT NOW

HOLD THAT THOUGHT, DOING THE OTHER BUT BRB

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Alright, ISOing, but it's like 11 pm so this could take a while.

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OH MY GOD,

HERMIONE

BACDE, SHUT UP

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I'd like to hear from Bacde on the subject of voting.

In other news BULBA YOU WORDY BASTARD

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GM, where is your Syryana case?

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH MY POWER WENT OUT FOR LITTLE TO NO REASON AND FOR THE WHOLE FUCKING DAY

I was reading you first but that post got lost when my computer died and it is not going to get redone. So I'll do Syr this evening hopefully.
Suffice it to say that I am satisfied as to your towniness.

Now, as to Syr I can say I remember little about his play except that I didn't like it, and that thing Egg said and resaid about mod interactions which was (IMO) complete bullshit. Therefore this reread ought by rights to be illuminating.

As to bulba's point on Egg, the kuribo thing, that is also complete bullshit. I think any of us, as wolf, would have killed kuribo because he's kuribo. Now the N2 kill is somewhat anomalous... but SO not getting into that right now.

Speaking of nights...

@Mod

: the title still says Day 3, but it's definitely Day 4. Not a huge deal or anything, just vaguely confused me for a second.

And one more thing:
@Egg: Would you worry that if you go before bulba that he may not get lynched?
If that question makes sense, semantically speaking.

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I super duper promise that I am almost done with my super duper convincing case on Syr. In the meantime I will super duper enjoy this slugfest. I am super duper sure of EggScum at this point, though that did go super duper poorly last time.

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Well that sucks.

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Psh, Bulba was obvnotwolf.

Maf QT.

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I was rooting for Town because they didn't do anything to us Mafs, but I can't say I don't also appreciate the under

dog

/badpun