Open 493 - Jungle Republic. (Game Over - Werewolf Victory)

[Autti]

/confirm.

I'll vote Syryana when the game starts for not reading :p

[Autti]

It looked sincere to me. He's actually scum hunting too by asking questions. So yeah, he's most likely town

Just like to point out that every faction in this game will scum hunt. So the assumption that scum hunting is town doesn't hold true here.

Also I will normally miss this period of high activity as I'm in Australia and have to sleep and then work early in the morning.

Also;
VOTE: Kyryana
Because I'm a man of my word.

[Autti]

Caught up.

I think Klick is trusting Icebox/Rem way to much.

The argument that Rem is using a trust tell and therefore town is null to me. Rem can have all the meta in the world to back her up, but what matters is this game.
Klick says "Egg, explain to me why Rem would break a tell like that so soon after joining the site." To win this game as scum, obviously. It has already given them a big help with you think they are conf town already.

Fuzzy's post #47 seems like bragging and a potential i told you so if he wins as scum. Emotional response so potential slip IMO.

Equally i don't like Bulbazak antagonizing Fuzzy, making people angry by bringing up past games isn't scum hunting, its framing people. He also says in #82 "What Fuzzy and I were talking about was not really game related". If it's not game related, why are you talking about it and not scum hunting?

VOTE: Bulbazak

[Autti]

Thanks for adding points to your scum case Thene.

[Autti]

Thanks for adding points to your scum case Thene.

What points, to be exact?

That you come back after 22 posts and the only thing you have to add is an irrelevant OT. You haven't contributed anything so far.

I like Syryana's post.

[Autti]

Your point about Zach's hesitation to vote TNE. Seems strange considering its not like its a significant wagon yet.

Your reinforcement of BDK's point against Bulba with more explanation.

Your distrust of town tells. Hunting scum is preferable that finding town, as scum can do the latter far easier than the former.

Although i think fuzzy as werewolf is a bit of a stretch. I took his "im good at scum" comment as a just watch me comment as i said before. I think its tough to say that because he mentioned werewolfs first hes a wolf and not mafia.

[Autti]

I did take it as a potential slip in #136

[Autti]

I think it's more so Bulba reaching to deflect attention away from himself. It was during the RVS stage and had an informal tone. You could infer almost anything you like from it really with half decent reasoning.

Bulba and Fuzzys back and forth though is more suspicious than Mac's questioning of it anyway.

[Autti]

Gut. And that RQS stuff.

Really bad reasoning for saying someone is obviously town.

I thought Klick was weaksauce for saying Icebox/Rem was confirmed town for meta bla bla posts.

Your reasoning for obv town is even worse. Looks like your trying to side with an active scum hunter. I don't like the phrasing as well, "Obviously Klick is town", obvious to who? You scum? For a game where every faction can scum hunt. Your going kinda badly at it.

N.B Not saying Klick is scum, but obvious town 7 pages in? No. No offence Klick.

[Autti]

Just ISO'd Bo. Seems alright to me.
Bo only mentions trust once, and disagrees with Klick over believing a trust tell. Does say following thoughts twice.
The point he picked up against Bulba with "the scum team" is a good pick up IMO. It deserves being mentioned.
But these points you have already stated in #167 One could say you are attacking Bo simply because he started questioning your lack of scum hunting.
And thats because your first actual post to hunt scum was this:

Town: Klick

Scum/Werewolf/Whatever: Bo, Icebox, Bulba

Leaning Scum/Werewolf/Whatever: fuzzy

Null: Everyone else

Three other reads you have provided were all gut based. With little to no explanation.
UNVOTE: Bulbazak
VOTE: thenewearth

[Autti]

Should point out that puts thenewearth at L-2

[Autti]

I also can't see town forgetting there are two scum teams; scum just seems more likely

You did at the start of this game when I pointed out to you that both scum teams can legitimately scum hunt.

You mean in the beginning when Autti called me town and then made observations instead of noting townie details?

i didn't say you're town. I said you seem alright. As in not scummy in the posts TNE was highlighting.

If you click the #167 link in his post, it links to another game called Robots.

Woops. Still figuring out how to use this forum code

[Autti]

Yeah, scum does have to scum hunt too, technically. Kinda derped there for a moment.

The post of Bo's I'm talking about for reference.

[Autti]

Sorry to make a hat-trick of posts. Using my phone.

But I really dislike how Icebox is using meta to clear TNE, when most people didn't like the meta that "confirmed" her as town in Klicks view. Seems like she is trying to meta a scum buddy into town again like what happened for her/him (sorry icebox can't remember if your a girl or guy. Wait how do hydras self identify? Probably a question for somewhere else).

[Autti]

Thene and Bo's repartee from #234 to #247 strikes me as off.

Thene was pressured to scum hunt, still hasn't done so. Avoids Bo's questions entirely with sections like this:

I don't want reads.

I want you to tell me whether or not you feel like you are really scum hunting so far.

What do you do to get reads?

And:

So you feel like you're scum hunting.

So explain why you said "if I scum hunt now" in 236.

I mean "Turn it up a notch"

Easy to infer meaning after you've slipped.

I'm still very happy with my vote on Thene. I'm not sure why Bo cleared him of suspicion so quickly. Which raises just as many eyebrows for me.

[Autti]

@Mod: V/LA till 4/27.

-G

Just to query this, but is this half the hydra being V/LA? Or the whole hydra.

Never played with a Hydra before so figured i should ask now.

[Autti]

???

notsureifstupid.jpg

I feel like i shouldn't even ask what Klick is going on about

[Autti]

The notsureifstupid.jpg comment was in reference to myself. I feel like i'm missing something here, and by something i mean all of it

[Autti]

On a game related note: What did everyone else think about Icebox's bit of WIFOM that she added regarding Klick by way of EBWODP? Personally, I believe that Klick is town, and there was nothing in Icebox's originally post that begged for such an addition, not to mention that it was a strange addition in and of itself.

I don't know why Icebox even made that post about Klick. Unless i'm missing something it was out of the blue.

No offense Klick but nobody really cares about you right now haha, you're not a person of interest.

Whats interesting though is why bother post thoughts about a townie, when your time is far better spent scum hunting. Also the WIFOM at the end. Weird.

[Autti]

To this site yeah

[Autti]

Why are you assuming you're the lynch today. (?_?)

Where did he say that?

[Autti]

He also had scum and town reads before a flip in that game.
VOTE: zachattack

Wow fuzzy... You've been sheeping the popular wagon lately. Scum much?

It's like you two are competing to be lynched.

Kind of funny that Thene just raised the "scum?" Tell that Fuzzy used last page against Thene that attracted suspicion. Circles. We're going in circles here.

[Autti]

Autti, reads, now.

Aye Aye Captain. Let me grab a cup of tea and get to my computer.

[Autti]

Freshmaniscoolman is stalking. Not sure if he has been prodded.

Klick- Town.
DBK- Town. Both of these guys give off a town vibe to me. Earnest scum hunting.

Icebox: #231 Meta to show TNE is town
TNE #234 notes Zach and Icebox are defending him with meta
DBK: #235 notes this as well and its an entirerly meta defense.

Not sure why more wasn't made of this. But i think it means more after this zach voting.

Icebox's attempt at coaching Zach in #337 is fence sitting. Also strange considering if you have a conviction enough to vote someone, why would you bother coach them into acting town out of it? Either your voting someone, or your helping, doing both is curious to say the least. Similar to how you cleared TNE of early suspicion with a meta defense.

Icebox #301 and #302 are very interesting. You explain why Klick is town for accepting your trust tell, and then attempt to completely break that trust with a needless piece of WIFOM? Why? The argument that you're position has flaws in it is moot. Every position has flaws in it, this post has flaws in it. But you don't point them out, you stick with your convictions and take a stance. It's yet another example of fence sitting for you in my mind. Not to mention that just left Klick hanging in the wind as a town read when you say he could be your scum buddy. If you are town, why did you just agree Klick was town and then nullify that stance?

It also is a stark contrast to the trust tell that you used with Klick early game. Trust tells work via trust, and you said you "In my town game, I call myself town repeatedly, to the point of supersaturation". Hardly calling yourself town now are you?

Its a slip to me. I thought your trust tell at the start was weak. And i think it just completely crumbled.

Thenewearth: Unsure now. He is just going up and down on my radar from scum to town all the time. So too fuzzy. I'm suspicious of both, but Icebox is my number #1 for now.

So with that in mind
UNVOTE: thenewearth
VOTE: Icebox

[Autti]

[quote="In post 367

Lean scum: Autti A thing that pinged the read, was that he avoided my question when I asked if he had experience in mafia, he said "On this site" which means he has experience elsewhere, but doesn't want to talk about it. There's not really a reason for this avoidance if he's town, it shows a caution that is entirely unnecessary for a town mindset. Further, he should know that some players town hunt rather than scum hunt and make cases for why players are town. But yet, he was confused as to why I would make a case for why a player was [/quote]
Oh look an OMGUS appears.

Also I didn't avoid your question. I just didn't give you the answer you wanted. This is my 2nd game on this site and my 10th game overall I think. But you could tell I was new anyway when I questioned you posting a klick town read. Then proceed to say I'm sorry if this affects your play. Kind of sounds like your trying to get a comf townie killed to me.

Anyway, thanks for cementing my case against you. I'd vote you again if I could.

I'm suspicious of Fuzzy but don't have a read on him. Where was I suspicious of Zach? Thenewearth was my other main scum read who I voted against before Icebox.

[Autti]

Balls. Deleted to much on my stupid phone. That is meant to be a quote of Icebox from #367. You can figure it out

[Autti]

Autti's reaction was awful.

How so?

[Autti]

OMGUS isn't specific to votes. He spun a weak case against me because i rose my case against him first.

Is it really that hard to figure out what i was quoting? It has a

at the top and

at the bottom, the rest just didn't work out haha.

What was the second part of his case? That i was suspicious of him town hunting? I am suspicious of it. Particularly the "i hope this doesn't affect your gameplay" line. Not to mention the second part is answered by my answer to the first part. This is my 2nd game on the site, how should i know that players town hunt here.

The site where i have played the majority of games nobody town hunts. It's scummy, as scum can obviously hunt town far easier than pretend to hunt scum.

[Autti]

lol... i wanted say it had a quote sign at the top and quote sign at the end of the paragraph. So it really wasn't that hard to figure out.

But just then i used the actual quote signs, hence making a quote. My bad

[Autti]

Thats icebox's choice. I obviously chose differently

[Autti]

He's done multiple little scummy things.

ISO him.

And still no opinion on me? C'mon fuzzy.

This is true. It's interesting that Fuzzy has a town read on me, when at BEST people have a null.

[Autti]

Autti, (on Page 16) you completely misunderstood Bo's point. Why is Icebox's case on you OMGUS? A lot of people have shown suspicion of Icebox. Why would he single you out over these other people. "That's his choice" doesn't really answer that. Not if you want to keep the whole OMGUS point you made. Tell me why Icebox is scum who thinks you are better to OMGUS than all of the other people who suspect him.

Looking at Klick's look back to RQS, I didn't even realize bulb used players not in this game (or I forgot about it). That makes it easy to not have to leave connections to other players.

Icebox, you are just arguing semantics on the OMGUS thing. He's making the point whether he's calling it the right thing or not. Yes, his thinking is flawed. But I don't like the way you dismiss the point by saying he's calling it the wrong thing. Why not address the point itself?

Maybe OMGUS was the wrong turn of phrase to use. But Icebox posted a case against me (weak i might add, DBK's is far better) simply because i posted a case against him. Also notice he did nothing to address my suspicions, and still hasn't, he has just railroaded with unnecessary explanations of events not pertinent to the scum cases against him.

The minute Klick posted a case against him it was addressed immediately by him, because Klick is seen as town in by almost everyone currently. Mine however, never even mentioned it, his defense was to case suspicion on me in turn. That is scummy. Maybe i got a bit ahead of myself, and obviously i'm thinking my case is better than it is because i wrote it, i'm fallible and forget that haha, but i still think he is scum.

Icebox #476

Of course it looked forced, I'm using it as a trust tell. I am going to unnaturally go out of my way to call myself town when I'm town.

Except when you called yourself potential scum! Which was the start of my case anyway and one you have refused to address.

[Autti]

@Bacde, you're the type for wagon analysis. Given how easily the wagon on Klick gained speed, does it feel "right" to you?

Given that Bacde was the one telling everyone to vote Klick, why are you asking him?

[Autti]

@tne what do you think of FBN's AtE? Is it legit?

I'm asking you because I know you are able to tell town AtE pretty well

The emphasis on the "YOU". Directed at Egg, seems to me that he thinks someone proved something. But egg wasn't the person who did. Also why include the "may" if he is town. Either he's town and Egg is wrong, or he is scum and Egg is right. Not sure why there would be a may in there. Little bit of WIFOM is town right haha.

That was my first take of it.

[Autti]

Pedit: Autti is even more definitely scum

Lies. I've actually been very attentively reading this game. Although when Bacde joined i'm now 5 pages behind. I just haven't had that much to post. I try to be a quality over quantity person. Although it seems my case on Icebox was so very very bad. Oh well.

I may or may not be awake at deadline, because im in Australia its in the wee hours of the morning.

So i'll put Fuzzy at L-1 now.
UNVOTE: Icebox
VOTE: Fuzzybutternut

[Autti]

Pedit: Autti is even more definitely scum

Lies. I've actually been very attentively reading this game. Although when Bacde joined i'm now 5 pages behind. I just haven't had that much to post. I try to be a quality over quantity person. Although it seems my case on Icebox was so very very bad. Oh well.

Proof positive you are actively lurking.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Autti

Eh. Do you really think i'm scummier than Fuzzy?

[Autti]

Yeah Autti's definitely a wonderful scum choice for tomorrow. Unless Fuzzy actually does get lynched. Then Klick or Autti tomorrow.

Huh? I'm a great choice for tomorrow. Unless Fuzzy gets lynched. Then i'm a great choice for tomorrow...

[Autti]

That wasn't lynch by my count. I put Fuzzy at L-1, Syrana unvoted to vote me, thus L-2, then re-voted to give L-1 again.

[Autti]

Oh look, Fuzzy's probably town because of his reaction to the not-hammer.

So

surprising.

Lynch Klick.

Huh? You were convinced on Fuzzy being scum. Maybe i've misread the tone of your post