Micro 161: No-Newbie Newbie (over)

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Vote: 2

for uselessly complex hydra name which I will not be superscripting ever

Hello other people I know, this playerlist is quite strange.

V/LA for the next 46-ish hours.

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Nobody has to ask "why?" when they are voted or otherwise flinch at the attention a vote brings because it's just RVS.

This I disagree with on the basis that questioning of reasons can be an excellent way to get out of RVS what with accusations of defensiveness and off behavior. The other stuff is valid points though.

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Some evidence of this kind of thing being used to the Scum's advantage is a game that I had to miss out on which was Micro 117: The Longest Micro. In which theslimer claimed scum midgame, something that she/he always seemed to do as town, which made her look townie and she won a perfect scum victory.

Honestly Town in that game were a pile of poo, so I'm not sure how much that had to do with it.
Of the three most active people two were Scum.

Just cause I am not a morning person

Well that makes two of us then

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Well, you did acknowledge that Slimer was Town because she did that... Unless I misread

It was at least 75% joking, but yeah, I'd forgotten that.

Who's cheapvoting? My vote is 100% serious.

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Who's cheapvoting? My vote is 100% serious.

I post this and not ONE PERSON (or ² people) EVEN

MENTIONS

IT?

WHAT



WHAT IS THIS

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OH

@MOD: LA TIL TUESDAY

CAPSLOCK FOREVA

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OH DAMN 2

POST SIXTY

IS

KINDA WACK

but coming from RC... interesting.

Yeah, where the hell is Rondar anyway? He's not the most active fellow ever as I recall but I'd have thought he'd be here by now...

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Is this how soat normally plays? Am I alone in finding this interesting?

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goodmorning, are you going to explain why your vote on us isn't RVS?

- f

I don't plan to, seeing as it is.

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his RVS vote seems... overreasoned I guess would be the word?

He made a space pun. That's your definition of over-reasoning? Interesting.

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Well, you did acknowledge that Slimer was Town because she did that... Unless I misread

It was at least 75% joking, but yeah, I'd forgotten that.

Who's cheapvoting? My vote is 100% serious.

goodmorning, are you going to explain why your vote on us isn't RVS?

- f

I don't plan to, seeing as it is.

RVS is srs bznz.

Was a failed reaction test, as kinda brought up in whatever post it was that I got pissed off that nobody mentioned it. I think I've tried reaction testing onsite about three or four times and this is yet another failure in the chain of failures.

And GM is still V/LA from what I know.

LAWL HI

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Post mentioned ^ was like 72 or 73.

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When I first read Stone’s RV I thought it was based on him thinking 2’s posts were “spaced out”. I totally missed the avatar connection until he pointed it out. I wonder if Syndrome is finding the double meaning “over reasoned”?

Interesting.

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Why not be? I think I missed that part.

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Tne ignored my question :[

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Vote: tne

Ignoring my question twice, not pursuing any real conversation with his questions, seems like a good enough reason for so early in a fluffpost game.

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Sure, if you actually care about the answer.

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(Hint: If you don't, you're Scum)

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Which marginally answers my question, but considering my vote was explained to have not been serious makes it look like you're not reading the thread.

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I asked you "Why not vote 2?"

You did not answer that.

You did not acknowledge it either.

I call that ignoring.

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I didn't say you were voting them. I asked you why I shouldn't vote them, since you wanted to know why I should.

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I feel like a lot of your concerns were answered in-thread.

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That's not really a logical fallacy, more a misinterpretation/misunderstanding of statistics.

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I didn't say you were voting them. I asked you why I shouldn't vote them, since you wanted to know why I should.

If there isn't a reason not to vote, you should vote. If there isn't a reason to vote, you should not vote. These are sides of the same logical coin, so you guys are getting nowhere if you're merely going to answer each question with its negation.

- b

1. I don't see a reason not to vote.
2. tne apparently felt differently.
3. By asking him "why not vote" I was mainly requesting a clarification of his position.
4. He declined to give one.
5. The other big thing that may have interested me was whether he in fact had a good reason not to vote you.
5a. In which case there might have been some interesting conversation about that.
6. He declined to give any of those either.

@Stone:

It is coherent already, but I'll rephrase it in a way I think you'll understand. If you base your vote on my avatar, it's not random. If you insist that a vote can be random when it's based on something (it being an avatar or an estimation of an alignment), I can just as well insist that my vote is random when it's based on my estimation of your alignment.

- b

I'll do us all a favour and
tl;dr - This is a semantic game it is not possible to win.
other tl;dr - "It's not really random if it's based on something, even something meaningless; therefore I can say it's random if it's based on something meaningful since you say it's random when based on something meaningless"

The other stuff from that head in this giant batch of posting looks reasonably sane though. Especially the signing bit, there are a lot of good reasons for hydrae to do so, many regardless of alignment.

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@189: My point is that I was trying to hike in a specific direction and he just sat down.

@191: My point there is that the definition of "random" as in "RVS" is something like "off the cuff, with or without bullshit fake justification". It doesn't actually mean random, though I think a lot of people just scan the playerlist and go "... that one" and then come up with a silly reason for voting them later, so in that sense it is random, but I'm not going any further than that on this topic because it's pretty distracting from the issues at hand, namely,

WHO WAS PHONE???

WHO IS SCUM?

Also the fact that you two just interspersed posts in all that is quite frankly scary to me.

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Scared you? How so?

- f

Like you guys are machines. It's sort of an admiring fear I suppose.

Our posts interspersed because I told ff on gchat that I voted A_stone and that she could read my posts if she felt like it. She then said she were going to respond to one of his posts. We usually confront each other when something happens in this game, and we're both a bit annoyed with the slow pace of it.

- b

I was going to say that it doesn't feel that slow to me, but that's just because of you guys I think.

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I didn't say you were voting them. I asked you why I shouldn't vote them, since you wanted to know why I should.

What I meant is why you wanted to vote squared.

As I said, it was a random vote. I was attempting a reaction test and nobody even gave a shit. I wanted to know why you were so interested in my vote since I'd explained it was a random vote, and further whether you would have any reason I shouldn't vote them.

As for your reads post: I like. Definitely good stuff AND you brought up something I'd forgotten about: Mr E.
I am not really sure where I read him, but his arguments on soat are strong. How strong? Well, I'll leave that unanswered for the time being, but it's an interesting thing to look at later on. ESPECIALLY if we have a soat flip.

Vote: soat

I have a scumread on soat. I have light townreads on tne and Rach. I have a mediumish Townread on 2. Everyone else I cannot say or guess.

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Would you please explain your scumread on soat?

Yes, though I don't really have the time to go too in-depth.
For a start, the way 29 was handled. That type of reaction test makes me vaguely suspicious to begin with because it's so blatant, and the way this one was handled in particular is bad bad bad. The move of votes in 86 was even worse worse worse. 112 misses the fact that Stone's very next post explained the joke for those who didn't get it. And a YMMV point: His strong Townread on Mr E (221).

As for your easygoing attitude thing... I personally find that Scum players tend to be slightly more relaxed but this is largely just one's playstyle and not really a tell IMO.

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Question for everyone: What is your read on Mr E?

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@Stone: Not off the top of my head.

@Mr E: Why are you assuming you'll flip? Why mention flips now?

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When I said it was serious, that was a reaction test.

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Oh, well, it still failed.

- b

That was my point.

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@Stone: Not off the top of my head.

I'll look into it a bit more then.

IIRC, the theory behind it is that Townies tend to be paranoid, which tenses them up.

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I was reading this game, and I didn't feel like I was in it. Then I saw my facepalmcat and realized that I am in this game.

I am relatively sure I know who the scums are but it's just a really hard gut read and a fuckton of associative tells and my brain is going NO NO YOU CAN'T MAKE A CASE SOLELY ON ASSOCIATIVE TELLS D1 NO FLIPS YOU BIG STUPID IDIOT STOP THAT STAY OBJECTIVE but my gut is going NO NO I WANT TO SAY IT AND I AM TOTALLY RIGHT, IT SHOULD BE REALLY OBVIOUS BUT THEN WHAT THINGY AND BLAH BLAH WALRUS

Also it's quarter past 2am, so that probably explains that slightly but maybe not.

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uhhhh...

When you come back after some sleep could you like rephrase that into something more understandable?

Thanks

Basically, I have a really strong case if gut and associative tells are a really strong case, which intellectually they aren't.

Also I'm sad that you didn't mention that we have a game together :[

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I am thinking hold on to it for now. Obviously I think soat is Scum, but some more individual scumtells would be really appreciated.

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Should one have to, though? Seems a bit strict criteria for judging.

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Enlighten us. Have you played with some of these guys before? I am fairly sure I've never played with you.

Not many. I'm playing fferyllt, have played Rach and tne, and Stone has been an early-replace out in two of my games. I'm not talking meta tells for Scum particularly, though meta is something I find in favour of the hydra at the moment.

PEDIT @2: As I said, I'd rather wait. Keeping the other in the dark is something that's worked out well for me in the past.

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I'm beginning to think he doesn't have any scum reads (hint: he is scum)

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I'm still here. I'm gonna be candid - right now I'm lurking. Let's just say the player I need posting is not posting. Trying to devise some suitable reaction test at the moment, whether I'll manage one and it'll work remains to be seen.

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I personally found it fairly useless after the first couple responses, but that's because it's Stone you're arguing with and I have a light Townread on him for meta reasons.

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Good. That's the point.

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It doesn't yet. It ought to soon.

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I am assuming you are waiting for rach, who has been less than active in other places i've been as well.

Your assumption would be less than correct.

GM and RC are nullish reads that I throw into the town pile by POE.

How in the world do you have a Null read on me?

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Maybe if you starting sharing your thought processes it would be easier to get a firm read on you.

I have. I am intentionally obfuscating to clarify my position on a certain player(s) to myself in hopes of being able to present evidence of it to everyone.

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It's a strong statement. I'd expect it to garner some kind of reaction. Not a huge deal though.

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Alright, I'll out tonight as I may as well.

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EBWODP: Out my reads, that is.

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Is that a softclaim? How very interesting.

I fell asleep last night, but here it is:
I get massive scumvibes off Mr. E. Some examples in a bit.

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What about RC do you like? I have him as a giant Null.

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You know the clock is ticking if you expect anybody to have time to respond before the day ends you might want to show a little less drama and a little more urgency.

Five days is not a ticking clock. I'll get to it within 24 hours of this post though.

Also the drama meter in my life is so overwhelmed right now that my reveal didn't even register slightly, oh well.

What softclaim? O.o

The potential one in 394. It could just be an "I'm Town, bitches" though.

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Well Mac just confirmed for me without a doubt that I was right, Scum are in soat and Mr E.
(Saying 210 is a towntell, lol)

Game over guys, let's just chill.

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Oh balls, I keep forgetting this game exists even.

Basically waiting was more or less pointless, because the GIANT SCUMMINESS was not repeated. There was, I think, some minor scumminess, but for now I'll stick to the main point:

VOTE: syndromeofatown¹

I think I found a scum already. Not going to say who just yet cause I don't want the scumteam to attack me but just letting you know I'm onto you.

… I thought you were reaction testing. Now with your “guilty conscious” remark I’m even more inclined to believe that you intended to attack whomever commented on your post² but for some reason decided not to when it was Coyote.³

The main thing is he's used a whole lot of words to say a whole lot of nothing (at least nothing relevant to the game/finding scum) and his RVS vote seems... overreasoned I guess would be the word?

Why so reluctant to share your opinion? First your posting in 29 where you claim to find scum with no explanation and then in 108 where you tried to pass it off as just gut feeling? I’m not really feeling your case but at least it’s out in the open now.⁴

his RVS vote seems... overreasoned I guess would be the word?

He made a space pun. That's your definition of over-reasoning? Interesting.

When I first read Stone’s RV I thought it was based on him thinking 2’s posts were “spaced out”. I totally missed the avatar connection until he pointed it out. I wonder if Syndrome is finding the double meaning “over reasoned”?⁵

1. His RVS vote is on soat. Is this in and of itself scummy? Absolutely not. Is it an interesting beginning to the trail of association tells Mr E was dropping? Sure.
2. Is it innocent or is it QT?
3. This is just an interesting thing I missed the first time.
4. These do not sound like Town words to a scumread. These sound like Scum words to a bussed buddy.
5. Why mention soat specifically here? Why even mention this, in some sort of odd semi-defense? Despite his unease with soat, Mr E doesn't really seem to want him lynched.

Votes, Quotes, and Responses, posts 0-200 (# posts at that time in parentheses):
soat: 4 (9)
Stone: 2 (12)
2: 5 (70)
Rach: 1 (23)
RC: 4 (6)
gm: 2 (26)
tne: 2 (16)
ETL: 1 (5)
Mr E (14)

From this evidence I would submit that Mr E and soat/Mac are Scum together.

Honestly it's pretty crap, which is why I wanted to wait a bit more.

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Note: This is just the Mr E side. I can do the return tells later if you guys really want.

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Wut. Dayum those reads are paranoid. This is kinda why I wanted you to out earlier, some of this stuff just looks like you've gone off on your own tangent.

Which is why I wanted to wait and see if I was being paranoid. I still think I'm correct.

I'm not saying your reads are incorrect, it just seems like you've read through his iso and looked for stuff to attack, honestly.

I've done that in the past, not what I'm doing here though.

By GIANT SCUMMINESS are you referring to posts circa 0-200?

I am referring specifically to his interactions with soat.

Oh balls, I keep forgetting this game exists even.

Wut. How can you forget about a game's existence as town, wouldn't you have reads and be thinking about them.

I'm in 5 other games right now, all of which are attention-grabbing for various reasons. As my reads in this game are "soat/Mr E" it's not difficult to remember them when I do look at this game.

Makes giant post about why MER is scum, still voting Mac

I neither said this nor quoted it, so I'm not surre what this has to do with anything...?

I mean, what does that Votes, Quotes, and Responses, posts 0-200 (# posts at that time in parentheses) thing mean anyway

It's a measure of interaction. I compared to number of posts to adjust for the varying activity levels. So soat got an interaction every 2.25 posts, whereas 2 got interactions every 14 posts.
What it means is that I think Mr E was overcompensating in interactions between himself and soat.

I feel like you've been bridging up to have a scumread on MER since #231.

I've had a scumread on him since roughly post 90.

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you still won’t even begin to consider the possibility that you are wrong and look at anybody else. Not only are you not looking anywhere else but you are encouraging everybody else not to by telling them to just chill.

Nice assumptions. Pity they're incorrect.

You seem to have found a lot of interesting things in this game so how could you keep forgetting about it?

"Interesting" is my note-taking system; it means "things to look at later in the game after some flips have happened".
Very little has been happening in this game. It is not difficult to forget.

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Looking for evidence from one player in particular =/= not looking for slips from other players.

Obviously we cannot chill until you and Mac are lynched, but then we'll be alright I think.

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Obviously we cannot chill until you and Mac are lynched, but then we'll be alright I think.

No, you cannot chill until we are lynched. I've never seen you so tunnelvisioned before; what's up with that?

No idea.

I was asking why you were still voting Mac when you were 100% on a MER/soat scumteam and MER had more support for a lynch than soat.

Mac is soat. soat was more obvious than Mr E I thought.

GM has been the distraction that TNE has been hoping for. I know a little something about confirmation bias, and what GM has doesn’t feel like confirmation bias, it feels like scum trying to be too consistent with their reads. Why? Town_GM wouldn’t be able to recognize that her case is “pretty crap” otherwise she wouldn’t be holding it so strongly.

I personally feel strongly about it. I can recognise that it is not good for convincing others.

Players I'd rather we not lynch: RC, 2, Stone
Players I don't feel strongly either way: ETL, Rach, tne
Players I'd rather we lynch: Mac, Mr E

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Mac is soat. soat was more obvious than Mr E I thought.

But if you are 100% sure that they are scum, then who is more obvious shouldn't matter to you, it should be who has more support for their lynch,

right?

I still want more info on Mr E though, and one can never be 100% sure.

GM

,

why

are you sidelining your vote?

I do it a lot. People often accuse me of "vanity crusades". I want it to be very clear what my most favourite lynch is at the moment.

No, you're not going to claim, because we're lynching A_stone.

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Oh yeah? With whose vote? I have a reasonably strong townread on him.

tne, on the other hand, I intend to hammer, since my vanity crusade went for naught.

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I'm certainly not willing to vote for Stone, even as a compromise. So there is more than ² of us who are stubborn in this game.

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He didn't return the vote. meaning he viewed you as more important than himself.

OH PLEASE

THIS IS SOME MAJOR BULLSHIT HERE

And 2 gm wasn't on the wagon, what do you mean you were sharing it with her?

she said she would hammer. she flaked.

Sorry he got hammered while I was busy? I came back on not three minutes after it happened.



Anyway, I'm getting REALLY TIRED of people who want to decide their votes through this sheeping/anti-sheeping thing going on here.

I was more comfortable voting with 2 and ETL than with yourself, Mac and GM.

yeah, not so happy sharing that wagon with A_Stone and GM, but TNE not returning after hitting L-1 doesn't look good.

It's very excuse-y. Like "well, I would have lynched/ not lynched him, but all the people I found scummy were on/off his wagon

so it's not my fault

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I'm aware that this is a playstyle thing for some, but shifting the blame is a common Scum tactic.

Point of interest:
500 as compared to 516.

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He didn't return the vote. meaning he viewed you as more important than himself.

OH PLEASE

THIS IS SOME MAJOR BULLSHIT HERE

I was working on the assumption that TNE was at least making a minimal effort to play to his win-con, clearly he was not. But can you give me any other sane reason that he wouldn’t have voted for A_Stone with under 24 hours to deadline?

See, the problem here is you expecting tne to play it sane.
Besides not being around, what reason would the doctor have for failing to vote the other main wagon? Unreason.

To me it’s baffling that TNE didn’t vote A_Stone as town, it only made sense as scum partners. GM seemed to know that my theory was going to be wrong. I want to know how GM knew that before the flip or hear her counter theory.

Seemed to know that what theory was going to be wrong? Your theory of a gm-tne scumteam? [sarcasm]Gee, I wonder.[/sarcasm]

I also find it suspicious that she avoided responsibility for the hammer but was around right before deadline to make sure that the TNE mislynch went through.

This is moronic.
1. I absolutely had willingness to vote tne and do not avoid responsibility for either that willingness or the hammer which I would have made. If you feel there was avoidance, please point it out.
2. I was around on and off before deadline. I was interested in a lynch going through for all the reasons that have been hashed out as to why no-lynching is not usually optimal. I was interested in making sure tne went through over Stone because I have a reasonably strong townread on Stone.

I would add 395 to Mr E Roll's and ETL's reasons.

- f

What reason would scum have to point out a maybe-softclaim when they could just kill it?

She's V/LA, but doesn't seem to have informed the mod.

Yeah, forgot to send that PM. Whoops.

Is this normal play for ETL?

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See, the problem here is you expecting tne to play it sane.

And how did you know that TNE wasn’t playing in a sane manner?

I've played tne several times. I am aware of the uniquenesses of his playstyle.

Besides not being around, what reason would the doctor have for failing to vote the other main wagon? Unreason.

That’s what I asked you since when I said his failure to vote A_Stone was scum motivated and you said that was “Major Bullshit”.

Which is why I answered "Unreason."
But in all seriousness, probably just not being around. Maintenance of "vanity crusades" sounds like tne to me; I find it probable that he just missed deadline/the hammer.

Seemed to know that what theory was going to be wrong? Your theory of a gm-tne scumteam? [sarcasm]Gee, I wonder.[/sarcasm]

My theory that it was TNE/A_Stone team with A_S being the power role. I don’t see any way you could have misunderstood what I was saying.

Have you read my posts? I've had a consistently strong townread on Stone for quite some time, so any theory you might have with Scum!Stone I will of course be rather sure is wrong.
As for misunderstanding - I've not looked at the thread since it closed for Night. I've been on vacation. You will forgive me for mainly remembering my own thoughts rather than those of others.

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the reads, even though I thought work had been put into them, weren't really all GM had shined them up to be.

I shined them up to be shit, so...?

I really want to see RC's answer to Mac's question.

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It's on either of you.

I keep thinking I had voted but obviously not.

Vote: Mr E

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It's on either of you.

I keep thinking I had voted but obviously not.

Vote: Mr E

Can you point me to a case for this vote, and one which is not "look at these interactions between soat and Mr E, they are scum."

Uhhhhhh...

Not yet.

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As for misunderstanding - I've not looked at the thread since it closed for Night. I've been on vacation. You will forgive me for mainly remembering my own thoughts rather than those of others.

It seems like you are even having trouble remembering your own thoughts. Can’t remember if you placed a vote? In fact it looked like you even forgot who you was suspicious of until Mac reminded you. I think the vote came now because RC said people who weren’t voting looked bad. That's why there is no case accompanying it you rushed out the vote figuring you could wing something together later like you did yesterday.

This is silly. Yesterday was not winged, and further I am not particularly interested in RC's perceptions of the scumminess or lack thereof of non-votes.

I'm rather busy today, so it'll take me a while to make the case, but there is one and I will present it... eventually.

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@GM, It really does look like you're winging it, if you aren't, as you claim, maybe if you explained your thoughts instead of keeping them to yourself it would alleviate the problem.

I did explain those thoughts. I'm really really trying to make the case(s) but I genuinely have a zillion things to do.

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Argumentum ad populum is the lamest possible fallacy.

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He is advocating a lynch on Stone. I think there's a general consensus that Stone would be a good lynch. I haven't seen him provide any reasons to propose this other than "you guys all agree". Therefore it is a fallacious argument. Does that make it wrong? Not necessarily, though I personally think it is.

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I have this vague recollection that she doesn't buy into associative tells without a scumflip. I'll have to do a remedial meta dive because I don't remember where that memory fragment comes from.

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I don't buy into

other people's

associative tells without

any

flips.
Just to save you trying to find that.

Still working up cases, today is not my day.

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If Stone flips Scum I will happily be lynched for my stupidity alone.

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Well who was right about Stone?

That's right, IT WAS ME EVERYBODY. Nobody else, JUST ME. I don't even care that I was wrong about Mac, this feels really good and I think Mr E is still Scum.

Still haven't worked up a case though, for personal reasons.

@GIF: Why do you give a shit what Mr E thinks about your wrong cases and why, if you are what you seem to be implying you are, haven't you just outed "your report" already? This is LyLo.

@2: What are your feelings about RC?

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You still think I'm Scum? Yawn. I realise my play has been underwhelming this game, but really, so has yours.

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Don't give me that weak stuff, goodmorning. I think your game has primarily consisted of asking everyone else questions instead of providing serious analysis of your own creation.¹

I would not classify my play as underwhelming.² Perhaps I have not been accurate in all my predictions, but I've at least given it an honest try.³ And I'm certainly not guilty of coming into the game on D3 bragging about calling one dead player correctly as town.⁴ I mean, what do you expect to get credit for in that?⁵ You know who else can brag about predicting alignments correctly? Scum. Because they know all the alignments.⁶ So it's certainly not beyond goodmorning to see a strong wagon forming on AS during D2 and position herself against it knowing that it will flip town. ⁷

Again, all this is potentially moot based on what GIF has to say, but my initial read coming into today is I have strong townreads on GIF and MER, a somewhat safe townread on ², and a scumread on you.⁸

1. You don't think asking people questions is a good way to get information?
2. I would.
3. Have you? I've been looking over your ISO. There is not enough substance on anyone other than Stone to fill a thimble.
4. You certainly aren't.
5. Credit? I'm not looking for credit, I'm bragging. It pleases me greatly when I find that I was right and everyone else was wrong. Nothing else to it.
6. Except that's not a prediction. You're right that it would be a good play for one Scum to contradict literally everyone else for towncred upon flip, but it would be a pretty piss-poor one (IMO) to subsequently rub the entire Town's wrongness in their faces.
7. I've publicly positioned myself on the Stone = Town side of things since 348. That is the middleish part of D1. There is some slight implication here that you're not paying much attention to the game in-thread.
8. How in the world did you come to find a strong Townread on Mr E of all people?

@Everyone:

Would you consider RC's play underwhelming? This seems to be a point of contention between us.

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If goodmorning is innocent, then I really need to read over the entire game again.

Also forgot this: when do you intend to do that? If my innocence is proven by my lynch then we lose. Strange, eh?

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@2: What are your feelings about RC?

You being right about A_stone does not make you town.

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Please demonstrate where I claimed it did.

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I don't even have any idea how that quote messed up.

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Please demonstrate that you did not imply such.

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It's lovely because none of those things have anything to do with that statement.

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I am incredibly confident about this so

Vote: RC

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5. Credit? I'm not looking for credit, I'm bragging. It pleases me greatly when I find that I was right and everyone else was wrong. Nothing else to it.

Perhaps save the bragging for when you win the game? No one cares whether you predict an alignment right or not. You're not here to impress people. You're here to help win the game for your team. Just because you "called" someone's alignment doesn't make you any more or less townie.

I'm here playing a game. I am pleased with myself. I am going to be outward about that. I am not modest.
Stop trying to say that I want everyone to consider my rightness in the face of their wrongness a towntell. It isn't. It isn't a tell at all.

7. I've publicly positioned myself on the Stone = Town side of things since 348. That is the middleish part of D1. There is some slight implication here that you're not paying much attention to the game in-thread.

For someone that just claimed your AS prediction was only for bragging rights, you sure as heck are trying to milk all the town credit out of it you can. I don't care if you called him town in your first post, that's completely beside the point. The point is you made it well known that you we're oh-so-right about AS right before his lynch (and after). It is entirely possible for that to be a scumtactic.

So pleased you're misrepping here, as I was responding to your accusation that I only began to call him Town during the part of D2 when he was first going to be lynched. This is largely irrelevant to the ultimate vindication of my read on him.

8. How in the world did you come to find a strong Townread on Mr E of all people?

Oh, now I get to imply that you aren't paying attention to the game in-thread. I've had an MER townread almost from the word go. In fact, he's part of my fantastic four. I liked the way he didn't flinch against tne, I like how aggressive he was against me despite me giving love to him, and I like how perceptive he's been in this game. All of this I have chronicled.

This is especially funny because you're the scumteam.

That all said, this makes me feel better about MER and doesn't really change my stance on goodmorning.

In light of your "strong townread" on him, the phrasing "feel better" doesn't seem right.

I am glad to face off against goodmorning. She thinks she can pick on me because I do not have as much activity as the other players. That's fine, a lot of scum try to take advantage of that. Anyone that has ever played with me will tell you that my activity levels are alignment neutral. I encourage anyone here to research this.

I am not interested in "picking on" you for "not hav[ing] as much activity". I am interested in your lynch because none of your posts contain substance. Beyond lightly tunneling Stone, you have put forth few thoughts on any players at all. I encourage anyone here to research

this

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And stop trying to distract people with your meta. This is LyLo, the game is the most relevant thing.

@GM and RC

Who do you think is the 2nd scum and why?

- f

Well, considering RC didn't get quickhammered I'm well sure he's Scum now.
2nd Scum is still Mr E.

So? Who's up for it?

[goodmorning]

The most likely team is GM/RC.

What motivation would I have to roll on my partner so early in the Day?

[goodmorning]

OH MY GOD YOU DICKS


IT WAS OBVIOUS RC WAS SCUM WHEN HE DIDN'T GET QUICKHAMMERED AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN OBVIOUS I WAS TOWN CAUSE NOBODY HAMMERED ME AFTER MR E AND RC VOTED ME

IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALL SEWN UP, GAME OVER





WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[goodmorning]

For instance, at one point RC votes GM and GM doesn't react to it at all (very unlike GM because GM was reacting to all sorts of things at that time).

For future reference: I don't usually react much to votes as any alignment.

And to the other head:
You're never going to read me as Town, are you?


GIF WHYYYYYYYY

[goodmorning]

I'm sorry I tunneled you Mac :[