Newbie 1367: Maestro's Newbie Newbie (SCUM WIN!)

[TheIrishPope]

Hello everyone, nice to see some activity. School right now; I will catch up this afternoon.

[TheIrishPope]

Why thank you.
Guys, that Jebus lynch was... mediocre, to say the least. He did only make eight posts, but lurking does not mean scum. Now cop is gone, and we need to focus on everyone's intentions. Right now, I am thinking that TheEsquire is suspicious for hammering. So I will place my vote there for the time being.
VOTE: TheEsquire
Anyway, I will have to go more in depth to really find out who scum is. Everyone, talk to me so I can know if you are good or evil.

[TheIrishPope]

I don't really blame him for the hammer. Jebus wouldn't have made it back in time to say anything. I can't say I'm proud of lynching our cop, but we had to lynch someone, and he didn't ever bring up a defense for himself.

I agree with that, but I don't see why he wanted to take the risk, unless he was scum of course. Lazurial, two questions:
1. Are you scum?
2. If the above answer is "no", what is your power role?
And also give me your reads.

[TheIrishPope]

Woah, hold the hell up. Why are you role fishing?

Woah, hold the hell up. Why are you so fidgety? Do

you

have a PR? Also, reads.
I am trying to understand everyone's point of view right now. Don't take it personal.

1. No
2. Easy now!
I've got a scum feeling about Klazam and a bit of suspicion towards you now. I've got MM and JMO on my Town list. Cabd is leaning town but I don't trust him for the same reasons I don't trust Klazam. He's just more consistent about it. Esquire's floating around null right now. I don't have a read for you, but I'm leaning towards scum a bit.

Your first response seems genuine and nonchalant, so you are town for now.
Your second response either suggests you do have a PR, or you're just playing nice.
Reasons for scum feelings on Klazam, myself, and why you don't trust Cabd.

'da fuck is this?

Yo, stupid jokes and shit was so 11 pages ago. Get real.

Vote stands, richard was scummy before the replace, and now you're continuing the tradition apparently.

Da fuck is what? Be clearer if you are in fact town.
What stupid jokes have I made?
I see your vote only depends on sense of humor.
I don't think you're talking like town.

[TheIrishPope]

Klazam stepped in, picked up on one thing Shadi said, and tunneled him and never gave a solid read for anyone else. Cabd is just incredibly aggressive. His consistency makes it easier for me to see him as town though, as compared to Klazam's sudden silence. You just threw out a line fishing for roles. That's fishy, but not overly convincing.

Alright, I understand. Tunneling is a strong scumtell, but I want him to talk before I jump into anything. I support your statement on Cabd. His first post directed to me was pretty... ambiguous. I don't know if he is scum trying to make town "scumslip" or paranoid town. I did, but it is known as RQS (Random Questioning Stage, as opposed to Random Voting Stage), which is used to draw out reactions/enrage or confuse people. Don't take it as a scumread, because many people do it as town and scum. Of course, you must be careful in every game.

[TheIrishPope]

Tunneling is a null tell.

Do you not realize how anti town it is to role fish?

Tunneling is a scum tell for me. Town should look at everyone, in my opinion, like I am looking at four of you right now.
It is not anti town. It is a simple RQS. I see no harm in it. Role fishing really only works if they claim, which no one has.
Why do you think it is anti town? Also, do you think I am scum?

[TheIrishPope]

If you go fishing and don't catch any fish, did you still go fishing?

If tunneling is a scum tell, then you may need to reevaluate.

Asking someone if they are a PR is not RQS at all.

I think

you're

just not smart.

Alright, I see what you're saying. You must look at intention:

why

did I go fishing? Ask yourself that question.
Scum tunnels so hard. They pick the weak bond and tunnel them until Day ends with a town lynch.
What is the scum motivation behind asking this? In its most basic state, it is a reaction test. How would someone react if they were asked this all of a sudden? I derived my read from that. I confidently say that he is town. For now. If he doesn't screw it up.

[TheIrishPope]

I understand the want for lynching me today because I'm the one who hammered. If you guys feel that's the way you need to go, I'll bear no ill will. However, that said, it'd be a mistake because I'm a townie and it would put you guys at a lynch or lose situation the next day.

Why don't you defend yourself? Are you admitting you are scum?
Why do you suddenly change your stark tone to a more defensive one?
Give us two reasons as to why we shouldn't lynch you, and we might take you seriously.

[TheIrishPope]

TheIrishPope, nice to see you come into the game.

Why thank you.

[TheIrishPope]

TheEsquire, proof your statements and we will believe you. "I am towny" is not a good reason. Feeling sorry is not a good reason.
We are not talking about policy lynching. We are saying you are scum.

[TheIrishPope]

AtE, not giving reasons, saying we are policy lynching you out of the blue, basically all of #308 which is full of worthless words.

[TheIrishPope]

Re post 297 by Irish; the time for RQS is early day one in lieu of RVS. For all I know Laz could have been a PR and noobish enough to say as much. Obviously that didn’t happen, but you had no way to know that in advance, so it’s not a good idea as town.

Given I have just replaced in, I think I am entitled to RQS. Laz is not a PR, I know that now. It would have been silly for him to claim if he doesn't have a PR.
Who do you think is TheEsquire's scum partner?

[TheIrishPope]

Given I have just replaced in, I think I am entitled to RQS. Laz is not a PR, I know that now. It would have been silly for him to claim if he doesn't have a PR.

Establishing that, if it is in fact true, is the bad thing in the first place. If there is a second town PR, they now have one less place to hide from the NK, and if you keep RQS-ing away those palces, you're hurting the town, not helping us.

Who do you think is TheEsquire's scum partner?

Dunno. I'll have to re-read and or ISO him, but it's probably not you. I get that feel for now, but you never know. This entire expedition feels like a replaced in player trying to make himself memorable since his previous slot player was anything but. Still don't like that you did it though.

1. Well, you kinda tore my entire technique away. Thanks. Scum would have thought that he was the PR, when in fact he is not, saving the actual PR in the process, and giving him one more night. But your questioning dismantled it.
2. I would have unvoted knowing he was at L-1.

[TheIrishPope]

Jesus. irishpope- you're just horrible.

finding out if a person is a pr or not a pr is equally bad.

If you could post with more content, that'd be great.

If it took me ten seconds of thinking clearly to "tear your entire technique away" then it's bad and you should feel bad.

Town is smart. Scum is dumb.
Town uses the superego. Scum uses the id.
Congratulations. You are Town.

[TheIrishPope]

Klazam is another scumread of mine; he talks and talks but doesn't take action. Vote for me, Klazamscum. Do it.
My read is stronger on TheEsquire anyway, so my vote will stay there.

[TheIrishPope]

VOTE: Klazam

I'll back you on that MM. Klazam's just been really fishy in general today.

Don't you believe Esquire is fishy as well?
Maybe you should hammer.

[TheIrishPope]

VC plox oh wonderful mod

MM, are you certain Klazam is scum? If not, we would still be in LyLo.

[TheIrishPope]

Non-mod count shows L-2 for Klaz, L-1 for Esquire, no other votes out, IIRC.

And I'm pretty darn sure Mara is positive given her posting style and tone, but I could be wrong.

@Mara, very well, it's something that in my home site's meta is very much a scum tell in that town is actively discouraged from doing so.

Also, why the hell would you encourage a hammer without a claim when you said that it was bad that it happened yesterday? That's REALLY inconsistent of you, Irish.

What are you smoking? I never said it was bad because he did not ask for a claim. I said it was bad because it was obvious he was town. Quote me, I dare you.

Let's put Klazam at L-1.
VOTE: Klazam

[TheIrishPope]

Yes, I believe someone should have hammered because Esquire is scum.
If it was not obvious for you, then revisit posts. Tell me why it wasn't obvious.
I would hammer Esquire, because he is scum. Beneficial to the Town.
Klazam is now delaying the game. Niceee. Obviously not scum.
But seriously, Klazam-Esquire scum team.

[TheIrishPope]

Klazam, who's your scum partner? If you don't tell us, you are delaying the game.

[TheIrishPope]

I'm an idiot for playing the game? That hurts.
Fine, let's give Klazam some time.

[TheIrishPope]

Klazam, it's a little thing called scumhunting. Learn to do that.

[TheIrishPope]

It was a reaction test. If I did it to you, it would give positive for scum.

[TheIrishPope]

You're saying I'm bad because:
1. I am voting you,
2. I ascertain you are scum, and
3. You are at L-1.
You are just butthurt.

[TheIrishPope]

I'm vt.

My case is what i mentioned.

Also- i was aggressively tunneling one person and being utterly wrong about it. you were jumping on EVERYONE. I always put myself in scum's shoes, and from that POV, you're the threat, not me.

I keep on giving people free passes for being townie. i keep on being wrong. So i stop now.

Irishpope- your play itself is pretty mediocre. My play has been terrible, granted, but at least i dont have mafia theory entirely wrong like you.

Great, policy lynch go go go
You admit to tunneling, which is what scum does, and agree that Cabd is being objective and looking at everyone, which is a towntell.
Tell me in what I am wrong. How is my play mediocre, if I have just found the scum?
Also, tell me who your scum partner is.

[TheIrishPope]

I'll let everyone else evaluate klaz's case and claim before I hammer.

If anyone objects to this lynch, speak now.

I happily do not object to this lynch.

lol.

Tunneling is not a scumtell.

IMO, the best players i know all tunnel.

you have mafia theory terribly terribly wrong.

and im still town.

For me, tunneling is a scumtell.
You cannot use other player's playstyle to justify your own. There is a logical fallacy for that.

Appeal to authority: You said that because an authority thinks or does something, it must therefore be true or acceptable.

Point out what is wrong about my mafia theory.
Also, theory is irrelevant since you are scum.

Also, tell me who your scum partner is.

Still waiting on this.

[TheIrishPope]

YOU FUCKING ROLEFISHED. THATS SO BAD.

I'm not appealing to authority there. I'm saying that my best "rolemodels" tunnel so im emulating that play style, because i sincerly believe that it works.

IM NOT SCUM.

I'm not liking your tone, Mister.
Rolemodels are authority to you. You follow their play. You have committed a logical fallacy, which is worthy of a lynch.
Yes, you are. Stop telling me lies. I ask one more time.
Who is your scum partner?

[TheIrishPope]

Fine.
Who should we lynch next?

[TheIrishPope]

MM, I understand your short pause, but no one is going to hammer because that would be a strong scum tell.

[TheIrishPope]

Esquire.

[TheIrishPope]

Or my blender could be a piece of shot and break after the stores closed. That works too. MM, other reads?

Irish, who do YOU think klaz's partner is?

[TheIrishPope]

Alright. Let see here. I am NOT going to hammer Klazam today, I dunno if Cabd is serious about doing it or not, but we're only half way through the day and I still think we shouldn't do anything rash. Especially with, as I said before,

A mislynch puts us at a lylo situation

. Why are you so eager to slam down the hammer Cabd?

He just said that he's waiting on other people. You are scum for not reading thoroughly. We will lynch you after Klazam.
Also, a question for you: who is the rolecop?

[TheIrishPope]

Klazam, why why why...

In any case, I want to look into the two people who did not vote. Esquire, jmo, talk.
Esquire, gimme yo' reads.
jmo, gimme yo' reads.

[TheIrishPope]

Me? His partner? When I attacked him so much? When I wanted him lynched?
VOTE: TheEsquire
Oh hell no.

If it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, it has to be a duck, right?

[TheIrishPope]

You're killing me here, Irish. But answer my question please?

I did.

...You realize that it's Ly-Lo, and you just threw a vote down? If the scum see this (and you're not one of them) they win right now

UNVOTE:

[TheIrishPope]

Oh yeah, TIP is definitely scum. You have convinced me, you scum fence-sitter you.

[TheIrishPope]

Finally you caught on, Cabd.
VOTE: TheEsquire

[TheIrishPope]

FOR THE LOVE OF
Well, good game guys, you did great!
Sorry Town

[TheIrishPope]

BIG apology to Esquire
I suck

[TheIrishPope]

I thought I was sure about my read
Silly brain trying to fool me

[TheIrishPope]

Klazam just wiped his hands off this game, mainly due to frustration I guess.
Sorry about pushing you.

[TheIrishPope]

Thanks Mara

[TheIrishPope]

I was suspicious of Esquire and jmo as per my opening post, but I was leaning more on Esquire. Silly me. I never saw you as scum.