Lies. We have two week deadlines. Obvious scum is obvious with your filthy, dirty non-truths.In post 22, Ms Marangal wrote: Hmm..
Mk, that's understandable, though we have three week long deadlines so weshouldhave a lynch before then.
UNVOTE:
Lurking like mad will just throw you under my scum list.
I've seen tons of cross-voting by scum before. Voting a person doesn't say much about your own scummyness on its own. Putting a vote down on a scumbuddy is the oldest trick in the book. ActivelyIn post 77, Cabd wrote:Shadi and piolo scum team where they cross-vote day one in RVS? Seems interesting. I like this klazam sir already.
I've seen noobscum cross-vote in games before.
The point I was trying to make is that townies and scum alike have lives outside of the game. It's usually more beneficial for scum to lurk and stay out of the spotlight, so it's seen as a scummy thing to do. I've seen my fair share of both sides claim to be busy as an excuse to not be posting. Whether it's actually true or not is another story and my experience has taught me to push them to talk more anyways. If you're not helping with scum hunting, you're not helping town.richardfrost wrote: TheEsquire (Esquire): Wants to get someone lynched on day 1: not too bad. "Completely understands" my situation, but yet says "scum have [a?] changed "life" to "lives" in the sentence and forgot to proofread it after. oops real lives too." Only person voting for me. I don't hold it against him: I realize I haven't been talking much, causing suspicions.
In post 280, Cabd wrote:Already said this:In post 279, TheEsquire wrote:Why wouldn't the scum kill him when he currently seems to be their biggest threat?
In post 266, Cabd wrote: Never draw solid conclusions from the NK choice. It's just WIFOM.
In post 282, jmo16mla wrote:But WIFOM isnt useful to town, especially this early. Its all about what ifs and such. There is really no concrete evidence behind it.
VOTE: esquire
Well, yeah. To catch scum you gotta think like scum. I always ask myself "What if I were mafia this game? What would I do?" They may not always think like I do, but the basic idea of it stands. Like I said, I'm well aware it's WIFOM, hence why I didn't throw down a vote.In post 287, jmo16mla wrote:He's talking about the NK. Town has no reasons to really try to justify te NK like he is doing. He is trying to make sense of it as if he did it. Happy with my vote and wish others would partake in it also.
I never once said I'm LETTING you lynch me. I said that I won't hold it against you if you do...In post 306, TheIrishPope wrote:Why don't you defend yourself? Are you admitting you are scum?In post 304, TheEsquire wrote:I understand the want for lynching me today because I'm the one who hammered. If you guys feel that's the way you need to go, I'll bear no ill will. However, that said, it'd be a mistake because I'm a townie and it would put you guys at a lynch or lose situation the next day.
Why do you suddenly change your stark tone to a more defensive one?
Give us two reasons as to why we shouldn't lynch you, and we might take you seriously.
If I could prove my statements, this wouldn't be a very interesting game of mafia. Why do you think I'm scum other than the fact that I hammered?In post 311, TheIrishPope wrote:TheEsquire, proof your statements and we will believe you. "I am towny" is not a good reason. Feeling sorry is not a good reason.
We are not talking about policy lynching. We are saying you are scum.
They hit the doctor last night, right? The only reason I can think that they wouldn't have killed you or Cabd would be their rolecop got lucky night one and found out who it was.In post 414, Ms Marangal wrote:TIP is def. town
I still stand by C town... I think, though I can't figure out why I'm not dead yet. Coming from a scum stand point, it would most likely point to you as mafia due to the fact that, I have been enabling you the most through out the game
I'm also trying to figure out if this is JMO town. He's always giving me icky vibes so I want to hear his case before I make my decision on him though I think I can agree with esquire scum.
Err, yes. I meant "unless correctly placed on scum" there. Oops!In post 456, Cabd wrote:You meant if places quickly on town. But yes. NEVER EVER EVER vote early in lylo short of confirmed seer read.
That's been my biggest problem, both in mafia AND in RL. I can't argue a case worth shit, and any points or reads I try to make are always called "scummy" and gets the finger pointed at me. It's been a reflex for me to just try and keep my mouth shut now. I seem to live much longer.In post 461, Ms Marangal wrote:I was surprised to see Klazam flip town TBQH. I didn't really put much stock in C scum because of the fact that he was fairly pro-town. those who did think he was scum didn't do that good a job in presenting a case against him which I think would have changed the game significantly.
Thanks for the advice. I'm never really sure where information ends and analysis begins, and am of the belief that you need information first. Unfortunately, I usually get picked apart for this. It's something I know I'm terrible for. I'll try to improve for my next gameIn post 484, Ms Marangal wrote:Esquire:
you and Shadi are in the same boat I think, you need to take a stance behind what you believe and not be so easily pushed around. You also need to figure out how to apply pressure. Like Shadi, you don't look at the surface for reasons to why people are scummy, which is amazing. You just need to sort yourself out better, and take time to try and figure out why you really do think people are scummy. You have this great ability to keep an open mind, but often times it makes you look fency and unsure of yourself, though I felt like you were waiting for things to respond to rather than generating responses yourself, you can't always wait for others to move the thread. take the initiative yourself and don't be afraid to put yourself out there. Take a stronger stance behind those you think are scummy, you lacked opinion in the game and you essentially did alot of IIoA which is why it was so easy for Cabd to paint you as scum.
Pedit: Hmmm...
I shouldn't have been transparent :T oh well.
See, I always post it here so people can observe my findings for themselves and use it how they see fit, thinking I'm helping, and then I get called Scum for IIoA. Next time I'm just going to have notepad files for all of my games and leave everything there.In post 493, Ms Marangal wrote:Esquire:
yes, you do need information, but you don't always need to post the information before you make the analysis. take what you learned, and explain why you think certain things mean what they mean.
post 48 had hints of analysis, but it left me wanting more. Why was C's aggression townish, why was his jumpiness giving you doubts on that read?
What of Shadi's reason did you like? things like that
Well, I'm flattered! I didn't think I did that great of a job, but I'm glad I guessed right on you. jmo I didn't suspect until the end when I noticed him floating around so much, but the first vote from TIP really threw me off. I figured "Why wouldn't they just co-ordinate it now..." and TIP might have been trying to bait someone in. The second time though I realized he was just tunneled in town. The old place I played on before used passworded mIRC channels and didn't care if you used them during the day, so I thought it might have been easy to pull off a quickhammer as long as everyone was online. It didn't dawn on me that your QT was locked during the day and you had to have everything planned out beforehand/scheduled. I'm going to guess that it's the standard here at MS?
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