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[mastin2]

Hey guys, be here in a lil' while. Got other things which're more important to do, and this game's a little bit of a read.

[mastin2]

Ladedadeda, massivelyskimmingtoknow, whatthisgameislikeso, sorryfortheignorancetotally.

Votecount 2.7:

MonkeyMan576 (5)-

Mac, Mutleyddmc, Ravenpaw, penguin_alien, ArcAngel9

ArcAngel9 (3)-

PeregrineV, MonkeyMan576, Desperado

Desperado (2)-

Nero Cain, ferretlover

Jebus (1)-

The Goat

ferretlover (1)-

Amethyst Actor

Darthe (1)-

xMALCOLMx

PeregrineV (1)-

Jebus

Not voting (4)-

Darthe, TheEsquire, Fuzzyman, petapan,

With 18 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Day 2 will end at 8PM BST on Wednesday 5th June 2013.

You know, I realize that by pure numbers, they

can

draw scum PMs, but the fact that Monkey and ArcAngel are our leading wagons tells me, "oh shit...I've got a

lot

of work to do".

Basically, this doesn't look good to me at all. Monkey's an easy easy mislynch when he's town, so unless he's actually scum this game (will have to check on that), that wagon looks concerning. Like, seriously so. I can guess why ArcAngel's there, but I'm seriously questioning the composition of the wagon in the form of Mac and penguin_alien, mainly. Seems like the kind of players who would be playing this way as scum.

As for AA9, I dunno 'bout Desperado, but PeregrineV being there is deeply concerning to me. I'll read since the point I replaced in for the moment to see if that gives me anything to go off of, but basically, I've got this massive feeling, this sense of the town being seriously seriously on the wrong tracks, kinda like the feeling I had during Bookshelf Mafia. (I wanted to play that game SO badly, because the town mislynched players I had townreads on. I knew if I got in as scum, it'd be an easy victory, and I also knew that if I got in as town, it'd be a LOT of fun but a lot of fun--sadly, I was too busy to play as town, missed my chance, and my read on the gamestate was dead-on; the town lost.

I get that exact same impression this game. That we're losing badly, and that I CAN turn it around...but it's going to be a hell of a lot of work to do so. )

[mastin2]

20. Svenskt Stål PeregrineV
21. Nero Cain
4. Desperado

3. ArcAngel9 ***
16. MonkeyMan576 **

town - scum

Vote: Mac

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Seems like a good place to start. Seems to think both leading wagons are on scum. Has a townread on Nero I am hesitant to believe is legitimate, and PeregrineV being there is equally concerning. Also don't like that Desperado is there, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

[mastin2]

Town:
Me
Monkey
maybe Desparo
other claimed town

Scum
maybe ArcAngel
the rest

yeah, a little not caught up. Another game just ended, so that should help timewise.

Okay, so I take it back, I'm actually thinking PeregrineV may be town for this.

[mastin2]

Darthe or despo or goat

all these dumbos want a Monkey or Arc lynch.

Good to know Nero's town, too.

Nero, I'm town, so you're fine. Now give me a rundown on Darthe, Desperado, and Goat.

[mastin2]

Why Malcolm, speed racer?

I read the playerlist

I saw Nachomamma8

I voted

What's wrong with a Monkey/AA9 lynch?

Syryana may be scum, and xMalcomx might be scum by extent of that. (Malcom's posts don't give off town bells, either.)

Yes, I know, xMalcomx has Nacho in it, so I'm looking forward to him proving me wrong. Butyeah. This is all purely reactionary stuff I've got atm.

Sorry that I'm not going to give you guys the immediate attention this game apparently needs, but I've gotta go do other stuff.

[mastin2]

shit shit shit. Mastin is in a scum slot. oh shit. I should have asked someone else to replace in first so they'd get the scum slot. fuck this shit.

nope syryana got it but i'm gonna let him live a while

so I'm looking forward to him proving me wrong.

let's do that thing where we all lynch scum together and save syryana for last because i feel bad he's scum
pleaassse

That was fast.

Deal. (Except maybe Syryana a bit sooner than being last.) Now, give me the crash-course. Who's scum and why.
Nero, the same. I'm not, so adjust your reads accordingly.

[mastin2]

but petapan rage quit and that seems all the rage for scum these days.

Well, he wasn't.

So again, Nero. Work with me, here. I'm an almost blank slate. If you work quickly, you can fill my head with your ideas, so long as they don't include my slot being scum. But if you don't hurry, I'll get reads of my own and your chance to brainwash me into your sheep will have been lost.

[mastin2]

I just realized The Goat is in this game. I counterclaim whatever he's claiming.

Nero, I'll give you a dollar if you shoot THIS guy.

Okay. Not the reaction to Rubicon's obvious joke from Goat I'd expect from him if he were town. He can be scum.

[mastin2]

hello it is I pidgey

What's hangining gentlemen? Player list looks cool, lots of people I dont recognize. Hi nero mastin etc

Anyone has interesting bulletpoints i can know off before i skim the thread when I have more time? Would be cool, maybe like relevant info i see that fucking shield is killing people at night and days wtf rollins! (I actually was rollins in WWE attitude 2.0, fuck that guy)

The goat has a cool avatar

Dammit, pidgey. You're actually being productive and sound rational.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I EXPECT FROM TOWN YOU.

Please respond to my post irrationally (and doing via spamposting!) with some declaration of you not being able to contribute so that I can call you town.

[mastin2]

darthe
syryana
rubicon
goat
penguin

that's my kill list

4. Desperado
19. The Goat
12. Sry
1. jebus
2. Darthe

swag malcolm x
i'll explain mine in the morn

4. Desperado
19. The Goat
12. Sry
1. jebus
2. Darthe
11. Amethyst Actor
5. penguin_alien
17. Mac

Alright, guys. Talk to me, here. Mac looks like scum. Syryana looks like scum, and that's a common read between all four of us. Goat looks like scum, and that's ANOTHER common scumread we all have. Talk to me about Jebus/pidgey; I'm interested in hearing town/scum thoughts on him, and currently think scum.

Also talk to me about Darthe, who's a common scumread between you three yet who I haven't seen.
I don't think Rubicon's slot is scum, but you can also talk to me about Desperado and penguin_alien.

But mainly. Talk to me about Syryana and Goat, with a side of Jebus/pidgey.

[mastin2]

^ You realize that two of those are the same person don't you?

Yes, Jebus and pidgey, as I said.

What, did I miss something else?

[mastin2]

Jebus (1)- The Goat

I believe that's supposed to be pidgey.

But anyway, guys. We have the time. Now tell me who we're going to lynch; it aint Monkeyman.

Let's try this for a start.

Vote: TheGoat

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[mastin2]

Mastapan is ignoring Darthe....

I'm not. It's just that your case relies on context--context I have yet to read to check out the legitimacy thereof.

[mastin2]

If it was rolefishing, it was very poorly and blatantly done, to the point that I do not find it a viable scumtell. I find those who would use that as an excuse to vote somewhat suspect.

In fact,

vote Squidward.

Have you played with Monkey before? If you do, you will might agree with me that he generally scum slips early in games... Scum monkey = obv role fishing , fake claims, and poor play.

if you don't know or don't believe, either check his meta or maybe the other older players might fill you in...

I don't scumslip or play poorly. I get lynched for poor reasons(like this one).

Do you want to talk about your meta?

Not liking this. The 'insult' from Angel would only apply if Monkey is scum and the reaction he gave here seems genuine (the bolded).

VOTE: Monkey

Okay, seriously. Is this a bus?
No?

Well then, get off of Monkey; he's town. Like, seriously. This couldn't be any more painfully obvious. Monkey was already looking town, but this is all you need to confirm it.

[mastin2]

@Desperado - I'd be willing to vote Krab or Ferret with you.

Don't think Desperado is a scumbuddy, either, from this.

[mastin2]

Personally, my 4 targets of the day would be Ravenpaw (reasons listed above), Doctor whatever (pathetic contributions, from a hydra that's disgraceful), Amethyst (hasn't been scumhunting, and then calls me opportunistic without expanding on it at all), and Nero Cain (The meta comment from Monkey was really interesting, and Nero's reasoning for jumping on the Skull wagon was poor)
~Krabs

your read on me is wrong, your read on nero won't help us today

can you expand on your read on Doctor whatever? I think we are on to something

So this confirms Mutley's slot is town.

[mastin2]

@desperado

But I've also just died in a game with Jebus where he got lynched for this precise reason, and was town.

This is not excusing his play, but it is meant to illustrate that no matter how much pressure you put on him (with words AND votes), he just doesn't care. My understanding from that game is that his meta is more of the same.

Sven, the last you said you hadn't had time to focus in on ferret. If that is still the case, just ISO him, come back, and try to justify his actions as town.

If you can do that convincingly, I'll jump back on Jebus with you.

I don't understand why you'd vote Jebus again. Can you explain why?

pidgey, again, looks like a fine scum candidate which I'm considering. Desperado not so much.

Also, PeregrineV (Sven's slot) looks town from this, too, confirming that read of mine.

[mastin2]

@desperado

But I've also just died in a game with Jebus where he got lynched for this precise reason, and was town.

This is not excusing his play, but it is meant to illustrate that no matter how much pressure you put on him (with words AND votes), he just doesn't care. My understanding from that game is that his meta is more of the same.

Sven, the last you said you hadn't had time to focus in on ferret. If that is still the case, just ISO him, come back, and try to justify his actions as town.

If you can do that convincingly, I'll jump back on Jebus with you.

I don't understand why you'd vote Jebus again. Can you explain why?

pidgey, again, looks like a fine scum candidate which I'm considering. Desperado not so much.

Also, PeregrineV (Sven's slot) looks town from this, too, confirming that read of mine.

[mastin2]

THIS. IS. MULTIBALL.

Just have to ask, 'cause of the formatting.

What makes you sure that it's multiscum? "whateverhisfirstnamewas Heyman, Heyman-aligned" to me in a normal game would suggest a serial killer, and I only see one kill during the night.

[mastin2]

(Which is important, since it determines whether reading GCBC's iso first is worth it or not. Member of a scum faction? Worth it for scumbuddies. Not a scum faction and being a serial killer? Not worth it.)

[mastin2]

That's a cute gimmick AA.

And gawd, we have 6 hydras?!

Vote: MalcolmX

@Nero I like your hydra plan, you can go in my town pile for that.

What do people think of Ravenpaw? Kinda curious, since this post seems like scum.

Vote: Jebus

I don't like his meta, and we should have a second wagon to compete with FuDuzn.

This post, however, pretty much IS scum. Syryana really did replace into a scum slot.

[mastin2]

Unvote

Vote: Skullduggery

Self-voting is anti-town and a little scummy.

Yup. Syryana's slot is scum. Glad I dodged that bullet.

[mastin2]

Hi!

Random.org says

vote Desperado.

Discuss.

Yup. Goat's scum.

[mastin2]

Are you softclaiming fandango?

Worst post in the game so far.

VOTE: MonkeyMan576

Penguin might be scum from this.

[mastin2]

Skullduggery (8)- Krab Bucket, FuDuzn, Skullduggery, Fuzzyman, ferretlover, Jebus, Ravenpaw, Nero Cain

Okay, this seriously has to have scum on it, 'specially given multiball. My guess is on Fuzzy(Syryana), Jebus(pidgey), and Raven.

[mastin2]

Through first five, but I'm on the verge of falling asleep. My mind's wandering, I'm highly distracted, and thus, not in playing condition. (I need a nap. ) So be back later.

[mastin2]

Mastin,

you think monkey is town, don't you? What about MAC and Despo?

Mac--scum.
Desperado--kinda town, but multiscum makes it hard to tell for sure.

[mastin2]

Pidgey comes off so much more town than Jebus did. Problem is, ISO-ing Jebus's other games...he plays near identically to how he did in this one. Bah.

And...Monkey...for the love of God...please just change your name to OMGUS.

unvote

in light of the extension.

If you wanted to convince me you weren't scumbuddies with pidgey...
...This is not the post you needed to make.

[mastin2]

^ Not only does that read as fake, but it also comes directly after a prod and is on someone who isn't going to die this close to deadline.

Okay, guys. Seriously. Walk me through, real slowly, real carefully, why Darthe is scum.

'Cause this? THIS?

This looks like town, like, seriously seriously town. I haven't read the game yet, obv, but this does not seem like a scum-Darthe. (Granted, I've only seen town-Darthe so I don't know what his scumplay actually is, but it certainly looks town. )

It actually reflects my thoughts on penguin's post perfectly; it felt fake and artificial. (Penguin has become a bit of a scumread, by the way.)

[mastin2]

Mastin, are you seriously evaluating my first post of the game...a RVS vote, as a scum tell?

No, but how the RVS vote was handled by you has turned it into one. (Granted, not a strong one, but you're just giving off an overall scum vibe anyway. )

[mastin2]

(Oh, right. penguin was already a scumread thanks to Squidward.
Make that stronger scumread. )

[mastin2]

So apparently, there's no takers on Mac.
There's also no takers on TheGoat.

Let's try takers on this:

Vote: penguin_alien

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[mastin2]

Seriously, guys. Listen to Mastin meta. His reads are followed quickly? They're wrong.
His reads are ignored totally? He's dead on the money.

My reads are being ignored totally, and thus, I'm dead on the money.

[mastin2]

Seriously, guys. Listen to Mastin meta. His reads are followed quickly? They're wrong.
His reads are ignored totally? He's dead on the money.

My reads are being ignored totally, and thus, I'm dead on the money.

Quote from harrypotter/MGS from which you replaced in

The remaining scum are Kise, PeregrineV, pidgey, and zabriel. A lynch on any of them is a scum lynch.

We only lynched zabriel AND that list ended up being all town.

Although i think you got one in this game maybe.

Fun fact: I consider it infinitely more likely that those who try to discredit me based off of a past game to flip scum. Especially when they say that I'm scummy, yet are treating me as if I'm town who is wrong--and they feel the need to show that I'm wrong.

It's a fine instance of minor cognitive dissonance combined with whatever fallacy it is that "wrong in the past equals wrong now". 'Specially since the research isn't solid from pidgey. My first scumreads in that game were Yates (scum) and mykonian (also scum). I had a third who was town (Kise), but I instantly locked onto the scumminess of Yates and mykonian. It was the third scum (AP) who talked me out of my scumreads on them.

[mastin2]

Dammit.

Ferret's town. Seriously.

I still don't think Darthe's scum. I can

see

him as maybe being scum, now, but I really,

really

have a strong gut feeling he's town.

If I've really got no other choice, I guess I'd vote him to avoid no-lynch, but I really, REALLY have a bad feeling that he's going to flip town and that this lynch is a mistake.

Seriously--can't we get anyone else? Not ferret, either. Heck, I'd be more satisfied with a Desperado-Darthe setup than that, but even then, that's not ideal.

Seriously. There has to be a name that we can agree on outside of them. Can you give me a gameday (well, gamenight ) to read Darthe so that I can get a better opinion on him? I don't like that lynch right now. Can't we instead lynch, say, penguin_alien? Mac? pidgey? (Okay, maybe not pidgey. Benefit of the doubt is being given right now.) The Goat?

Seriously, there

has

to be a better option than Darthe.

[mastin2]

*sigh*

You know that feeling? It's a cliched trope, even. Of being the new guy in town. The new guy who should be shown the ropes? The new guy who the townies all ignore? The new guy who is apparently ignorant to the state of the game? And yet, in truth, this new guy brings a perspective which proves absolutely vital to the town's survival? That his outside perspective actually makes him more competent than those who have been there the whole time?

...Yeah, that one. (Let's just call it Jack Carter syndrome, since we're dealing with a metaphor that involves a town. ) That's going through me right now. It's not a feeling I get very often. Heck, I think the last time I had it was Underground Mafia, replacing in as triple-confirmed-town and reversing what would have been a perfect scum victory into a neck-and-neck race. (Had the town followed my plan, we actually would have won! But since my mason partner failed to convey the final part of the plan after I died, and then they died, the town mislynched in 3p lylo despite my having correctly nailed the entire scumteam pretty much in my opening post. )

Seriously, guys. Stop lynching Darthe. Don't lynch ferret. Don't fall into the false dichotomy that we only have those two (or Desperado as a popular third choice) available. Contrary to popular belief, yes, we CAN get a darkhorse lynch to go through with the time we have, and--contrary to popular belief--it CAN be on scum. But we have to work together, and channel our votes carefully. We canNOT divide them. Not with trivial pursuits, not with the wagons we don't want (Darthe/ferret/Desperado), and not by dividing our attention.

Let's narrow it down. I've got strong scum candidates in penguin_alien, Mac, and The Goat. We CAN get a lynch on one of them, but we can't get a lynch on all three of them, so we need to focus our efforts. Seriously. Help me. Choose, right here, right now, between those three. Most to least. You can help lynch scum, but to do it, you need to WORK WITH ME, HERE. And keep an open mind!

[mastin2]

(Btw, the other scumreads are pidgey and Ravenpaw for me currently, but I'll be investigating those later, when I have more time available. For now, we need to focus on getting the lynch.)

My preference from strongest to least is listed above, for the record--I would most prefer a penguin_alien lynch, I would also like a Mac lynch, and I'm willing to compromise on a TheGoat lynch.

Now, your turn.

[mastin2]

What on earth leads you to believe that you can accomplish this?

Because I'm

the god-damned Batman

Mastin. That's what you lacked before. Desperado, be glad. I'm trying to save your ass because given the choice between ferret-Darthe and Despo-Darthe, I'm choosing Despo-Darthe. And between Darthe and you, might even go with you, 'cause while I can see Darthe as maybe scum, I've got a really strong gut feeling he's town. Whereas with you, you're dead null, and that is dangerous. Especially at this stage in the game. (Eventually, null is tantamount to "automatic scumread". It was one of the things which made me reinvigorate my scumread on BOTH Yates AND mykonian in Harry Potter. They had dropped out of my radar and stayed there for half the game, and when I realized it...BAM, they came back as scumreads.)

Seriously, guys. We can do it, but you need to believe in me. Fuck "the deadline is close" lynches on players. Seriously, screw them to hell. I'm 95% certain ferret is town, and my gut townread on Darthe is probably the strongest gut townread I've ever gotten on a player, so until I've got the chance to analyze it logically (which I cannot do in the limited timeframe, LEAST of all with people shouting "LYNCH DARTHE LYNCH DARTHE LYNCH DARTHE!"), he's a good 93-94% town to me, because goddammit, I'm trusting my gut on this one.


Gods. I feel like this town is full of adolescent children in need of micromanagement, who have had their parents leave on vacation and have had free reign to be disobedient to everything their parents normally enforce.

But not to worry. Uncle Mastin is here, to help keep you from destroying yourselves.

And Uncle Mastin is saying, STOP LYNCHING DARTHE AND HELP ME LYNCH ACTUAL SCUM.

[mastin2]

Seriously, guys. Have some faith in me.

What you lacked before is the cohesion I'm offering you. Too many people pulling in different directions and insisting on doing things which are anti-town based off of their own silly superstitions. I'm not going to arrogantly say that I've got all the scum, or that I'll be dead in this game rather quickly via one scum faction or another recognizing me as a threat. But, well, chances are quite high that I'm on the right track to catch scum, and that the scum recognize me as a threat.

So this could be my only chance to make damn sure the town can win. Stop mislynching people and help me.

[mastin2]

Stop mislynching people and help me.

We haven't mislynched anyone.

But you're about to.

Seriously. I can see one or two members of the Darthe wagon being scum, and the counterwagon on ferret has two of my stronger scumreads on it. And then we have five dead votes which could be channeled elsewhere.

Yes, I haven't read the game. Yes, that means I am not as much in the know as players who have. Yes, that means that my certainty is not what it could be. But I have gotten to be very damn good at reading people on the fly, so to speak. I can't build a case on Penguin or Mac or The Goat beyond what I've stated as my reasons for finding them scum, because those reasons are all I've read from them.

But this is a near-guarantee. Darthe won't flip scum, ferret definitely won't flip scum, and we need a better lynch candidate than either of them.

My current proposition is for it to be penguin_alien, whose posting is incredibly artificial and highly mechanical (it is exactly the same penguin I've seen as scum, and is NOT the penguin I remember seeing as town, so throw in meta to the case), whose posts are just bad, have bad content, a bad vote, and replaced into a scummy-as-hell slot.

But despite how much evidence there is against penguin, I am open to other players. Just not Darthe or ferret.

[mastin2]

Mastin, why do you think Darthe would do what he did?

Call his replacement town?

Quite bluntly, I see that as absolutely null. I don't see why he wouldn't do it as town, I don't see why he would do it as scum, I don't see why he'd do it as town, I don't see why he wouldn't do it as scum, I don't see any reason one way or the other for him to do it as one alignment or the other.

If you instead make a case off of the content in his posts? Yeah, I'll listen to that, since some of his posts I've seen could be

potentially

scummy. (Potentially. Not "are scummy".

Could

be scummy.) If you make a case off of that thing which is far more likely to just be an indication of a personality trait? (Heck, I think he mighta done it in Street Racers as town, when he talked about his predecessor. Probably misremembering, though.) I'm not seeing it.

And this seems to be the blunt of the case about him. "He talked about his predecessor and said town!" That's what you're presenting. You might not think that's all there is to your case. But that's all I'm hearing of it, and quite frankly, I'm tuning it out because it reeks of BS. (Primarily town-spewn BS, but BS all the same. )

[mastin2]

And skimming Darthe's iso, I really don't see much of a problem.

Yes. I see

potential

scummy stuff. But I also see a

lot

of undoubtedly (well, undoubtedly-from-the-perspective-of-iso, at least. Never know 'bout in-context) town stuff present. That's telling me he's town.

I don't get this wagon at all. It reeks of BS, and largely-scumdriven BS at that.

[mastin2]

No, the point is he actually cared how Zach was perceived.

Cared that his replacement was called town. Same thing, different wording, point stands; this aint a case.

And if it is, it's not one worth listening to.

Seriously, stop lynching Darthe. Help me, Nero. You've got many of my scumreads. Help me lynch them. I won't lead you astray.

[mastin2]

I love the confidence mastin has in me, but it bugs me that I am "possibly the strongest gut town read he has ever got" yet he would rather lynch me than ferret.. Idk.

Amethyst is pinging me with the pop in and jive type of play.

I would lynch Penguin, but Mac moreso. Mastin is dead wrong on Despo.

You're my strongest gut townread ever, yes, but my read on ferret isn't gut. It's logic. It's painfully,

painfully

obvious that ferret's town off of his posting; I can quote almost any post and show you the towniness therein.

And by the nature of my read, of

course

I'm dead-wrong on Despo. There's no such thing as a dead-null alignment in a game. Desperado has an alignment, and I haven't managed to make a read one way or the other.

And, Darthe. If you don't want yourself to be lynched, you should be on Penguin. We can maybe jump to Mac, yes, but I don't think that has as much support, and I feel weaker about that read anyway.

[mastin2]

I always find PA scummy but I agree that her play looks like that in Street Racer.

I'm okay with lynching from this list but I'm going to avoid a no lynch at all cost.

2. Darthe
4. Desperado
5. penguin_alien
10. Ravenpaw
11. Amethyst Actor
12. Syryana
17. Mac
18. Rubicon
19. The Goat

vote:Sryana

You don't want a no-lynch
Yet you single-vote someone with a day left?

VOTE: ferretlover
All self-voters should die.

Yeah, any doubt of Syryana being scum melted away. I've not got time to read two new pages, but I'll skim to see vote changes.

[mastin2]

opps

vote:Darthe

Dammit, Nero. On penguin, we have a chance.

Darthe:

We have three votes, you'd be another. Nero could be five. That'd produce a sizable counterwagon to your own, giving you a significant chance of outlynching penguin_alien. So help me lynch scum.

[mastin2]

penguin_alien (4)- mastin2, Pidgey, Amethyst Actor, The Goat,

Make that "four votes, yours and Nero's make six". Which would tie the wagon with you, since Nero (on your wagon) would be bumped off.

Seriously. Penguin_alien is your best shot of dodging a mislynch right now, Darthe. Help me out.

[mastin2]

And, seriously, guys.

I've seen character claims without roleclaims all the damn time. As both alignments, yes, but more commonly from town, 'cause guess what?

Scum are afraid of the lynch. They're going to fullclaim as soon as they claim. They're going to be feeling the pressure. So if he wants to claim a PR, he already missed his chance. He would have done so already if he were scum.

Since he hasn't, he's town.

I've REALLY got to go right now, but can explain in a moment.

Seriously, though.

"DERP" HAMMERS ARE ALL TOO COMMON WHEN A PLAYER IS AT L-1, SO SOMEBODY UNVOTE AND GIVE ME THREE DAMN HOURS TO SAVE YOU ALL FROM BEING IDIOTS.

[mastin2]

Also, brief rundown of Darthe's theme game play:

In Street Racers, he prematurely claimed. He was a neighbor. He called his slot's previous holder an idiot, invoking the Amished tell. He was town.
In You could be anyone, Darthe was ONE OF THE FIRST TO NAMECLAIM, under no pressure, completely of his own free will. He was town. He only claimed to be a VT when under serious pressure.

And look here. Same behavior.

This is perfectly in-line with Darthe's normal play.

And as to explain in detail why Darthe's town...

As scum, yes, there's the "fakeclaiming good takes an eternity" mindset. However, under pressure, Darthe would fakeclaim with what he had as scum. If he was scum with a PR, he's half-claim, give his fake name, his actual role (or a close town variant), and explain his results in a town manner...WITH HIS CLAIM. If he were scum without a PR (or a scum-only PR) and intended to fakeclaim a role...he'd do the same, only making it up instead of using reality. If he has daytalk (kinda guessing that at least faction would, given that there's apparently a daykilling faction and daykills generally work better with daytalk ), then his scumbuddies could even help him with suggestions as to what to claim. He'd have it prepared in advance, and spring upon us the full claim. Name, role, and how he used it.

If he were scum and intended to claim VT, he would have done so already, because holding out creates cognitive dissonance, as a VT has no reason to delay the claim.

If he were town and a PR, HE HAS EVERY DAMN REASON TO DELAY HIS CLAIM.
If he were town and didn't have a PR, this play is entirely in line with his VT play, in that he wouldn't want to give away that he wasn't a PR. The very act of delaying his claim could attract a nightkill to him via scum thinking he might be a PR, so HE HAS EVERY DAMN REASON TO DELAY HIS CLAIM.

Thus, mindset and meta make it crystal clear--Darthe had absolutely no reason to delay his fullclaim as scum, and EVERY reason to delay his fullclaim as town. It's in line with his overall meta, and a quick search will show you this aspect of him. It's not just a general claim, which doesn't apply to Darthe. It's not just a meta claim which is specific to Darthe. It's the magical hybrid of the two, where they augment each other to

prove

that Darthe is town.

Know how Darthe was my strongest gut townread? He's now my strongest townread in general.

GET YOUR ASSES OFF OF DARTHE AND HELP ME LYNCH PENGUIN_ALIEN!

[mastin2]

We have less than 24 hours and tomorrow is saturday, so its preferable if we lynch today at night.

Look.

Darthe is at, what? Seven? Votes.

Penguin_alien is at four.

There are at least two people who are willing to join the Penguin lynch. Which would put penguin_alien at six. One of them is on the Darthe lynch, which would bump him down to six as well.

It would take pathetically little to reverse this into a penguin_alien lynch, because PA is now among the lead counterwagons.

So if you so much as PRETEND that a penguin_alien lynch is out of reach, I'm lynching your ass for lying. This is a viable lynch, and I'll fight my damnedest to make it happen, and avert the Darthe mislynch.

[mastin2]

AP, trust me. Vote penguin. Help me out. We're not lynching Darthe, and ferret's just as bad of a lynch. (Darthe's a bit worse, though.)

Nero, help me. You have a scumread on penguin, so even if you think I'm wrong on Darthe (I'm not and you can trust me on this), then my choice for a lynch is still scum. And you've seen how much support there is for it. It can work, but I need your help.

Darthe, come with me if you want to live. Seriously. Town, scum, doesn't matter; you know that a penguin_alien lynch is the only hope you have for surviving.

Nacho/Kise, help me. Please. I know you have a scumread on Darthe, but I just. don't. think. he's. scum. Not by gut, not by logic. I don't see the case on him, and I don't think you're right. So help me on penguin. Have some faith in me. You've got penguin at least partially as scum, don't you? So help your desperate friend out and trust his read.

[mastin2]

Iff Darthe flips scum then mastin will be the next lynch, amirite?

If Darthe flipped scum? Yes. Go ahead. Lynch my ass.

But he won't. He will flip town, and I'll end up dead. (Even if I dodged the NK, there's the Daykill that I can't defend from. And the scum know that I'm going to be a pain in the ass. Even if I'm wrong on my reads, they know I'm obvtown, and obvtown shutting down their preferred mislynches, at that. So both factions are going to want me dead.) And you'll fail to lynch penguin_alien, who is likely scum. And you'll fail to sheep my reads, thinking that there's no way a guy who hasn't read the thread and who never produced concrete evidence actually managed to nail the scumteam.

So let's avoid that. Let's instead actually lynch scum in the form of penguin_alien. Darthe is town. (Another towntell is that he went for a Mac lynch rather than hopping onto the penguin_alien lynch. Instead of going for a lynch which could save his life, he went to pursue his own scumspect. SERIOUSLY, YOU CAN'T GET A MUCH LARGER TOWNTELL THAN THAT.) Penguin isn't.

And Ferret? If not penguin, I'd rather see you hang than Darthe, despite my massive townread on you. So help me lynch scum, in the form of penguin.

[mastin2]

It's times like this where I wish sig-betting wasn't illegal.

I'd do the Mastin Gambit and swear "if you don't want to lynch Darthe, then lynch me", but that won't work given how obvtown I am.

But seriously. This. is. town. Darthe. The wagon on him is INCREDIBLY scum-driven.

[mastin2]

We have less than 21ish hours from this post till deadline.

Plenty of time if you'd switch your damn vote over to penguin_alien, Nero. You can be responsible for a town lynch (or, worse, a no-lynch), or you can HELP ME ACTUALLY LYNCH SCUM.

On a scale of 1-100 how strong is your PA scum read? Who is scum besides PA?

A good 80%. Maybe even 90%.

Sadly not nearly as strong as I would prefer my scumread to be, but comparatively, I'm 97% sure Darthe's town and 95% sure that ferret's town.

And as for other scum, I've said it already: Mac's in my radar, as is TheGoat. pidgey and Raven are also in my sights, too.

That said, of course, pidgey and TheGoat aren't scum with penguin_alien. pidgey and Raven are both weaker scumreads, too. I could be wrong on the scumteam compositions, but basically, I believe TheGoat (~50% scum; not very strong) and pidgey (~25% scum; incredibly weak) are scum with a third, and that penguin_alien and Mac are scum with a third. Raven could be scum on either team.

But again, I haven't had time to read the game. That'd make my strengths different, and maybe my reads altered.

However, my Darthe and ferret townreads WILL NOT WAVER, EVER, thus, a lynch on them is WORSE THAN A NO-LYNCH, but I would

much

rather lynch penguin_alien.

So stop being a stubborn ass and help me.

[mastin2]

EDBWOP:

You can be responsible for a town lynch (or, worse, a no-lynch), or you can HELP ME ACTUALLY LYNCH SCUM.

"worse" from the perspective of Nero.

For me, "worse" is the town-lynch of Darthe.

And damn-right he's hiding behind me. Doesn't make him scum. As town, you're going to capitalize on a player defending you just as much as when scum.

Again. Darthe will not flip scum. I am positive of this. The names on his lynch are horribad.

[mastin2]

Darthe (8)- xMALCOLMx, Desperado, Ravenpaw, MonkeyMan576, ferretlover, Nero Cain, Mutleyddmc, Mac

Seriously. Desperado's a dead-null-read. It'd be pathetically easy for said read to turn into a scumread, 'specially after I read the thread and get a stronger stance.

Nacho might have immediately set off my town-read, but I'm not afraid to call his hydra scum if they go through with this idiocy.

Ravenpaw's a scumread of mine.

Monkeyman's not the strongest player. (No offense meant, man.)

Ferret's on him mainly to avoid a no-lynch, as is Nero.

Mutley seemed to join for a similar reason.

I guess this wagon could

technically

be worse, but seriously, you can't think this is a wagon on scum.

[mastin2]

That's a cute gimmick AA.

And gawd, we have 6 hydras?!

Vote: MalcolmX

@Nero I like your hydra plan, you can go in my town pile for that.

This is probably scum

My thoughts exactly.

But not today. Keep focused; penguin's our lynch.

[mastin2]

Vote Darthe

(back to L-1)

Mastin's probtown but I don't really see why I should sheep him on this.

Because:
-I'm town. You think I'm town.
-As town, I'm legitimately scumhunting.
-As town, I'm generally a fairly competent scumhunter.
-I have displayed incredible confidence in why Darthe is town.
-I have given multiple reasons why Darthe is town.
-You may not agree with all my reasons, but you have to recognize that I have a fair bit of experience and that I'm staking everything I can on him being town.
-Even if you think my logic is wrong, I have that immensely-strong gut townread on him, and that's not something you should ignore.
-The composition of the wagon is crap, and the reasons for wanting him lynched are worse than the reasons I've presented for keeping him alive.
-I even managed to semi-dismantle the case on him.
-And, goddammit, I'M FREAKING MASTIN TWO, SO YOU KNOW I WON'T MISLEAD YOU.

[mastin2]

Ferret, Fuzzy, and probably AA are all town.

You're gonna need to explain that fuzzy townread of yours, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeal well.
(Ferret, not so much. )

Also, *insert comparison between AP calling his slot town and Darthe calling his slot town*.

[mastin2]

Also, *insert comparison between AP calling his slot town and Darthe calling his slot town*.

I was referring to Amethyst Actor actually.

Oh. Be specific, AP.

Butyeah, Amethyst Actor kinda looks town to me.

[mastin2]

mastin what is your Monkey read? what did you make of my reason for wagoning him? (for which, you found me scummy...?)

My read on Monkey is town. It's admittedly not as strong of a townread as I would prefer (again, not having read the game, difficult to say for certain), but I definitely think he's town, and did not like the wagon on him at all.

I don't really remember your reasoning for thinking Monkey was scum, but I remember it either being unimpressive or leaving an impression--of you being scum wanting a mislynch. (Would have to check back to see which.)

[mastin2]

mastin what is your Monkey read? what did you make of my reason for wagoning him? (for which, you found me scummy...?)

My read on Monkey is town. It's admittedly not as strong of a townread as I would prefer (again, not having read the game, difficult to say for certain), but I definitely think he's town, and did not like the wagon on him at all.

I don't really remember your reasoning for thinking Monkey was scum, but I remember it either being unimpressive or leaving an impression--of you being scum wanting a mislynch. (Would have to check back to see which.)

2026 and 2028 were the crux of it.

Those two actually show remarkable consistency.

And, hey. I didn't know the daykill was scum. Granted, replacement, not enough time to read the flavor which apparently makes it clear the daykill is scum to the point of being obvious, but I can very easily see town making the posts you describe as being faked.

Give me more, because that aint enough to sell him as scum to me in a million years.

[mastin2]

VOTE: mastin2.

[mastin2]

Ah, gotta love it when a town player manages to divert attention from one scum player...onto another scum player from the same faction. Both of them being PRs, too! (Though technically, I think

my

scum lynch would have been the stronger PR to have taken out. Not that it mattered, though.)

[mastin2]

Hot diggity damn! Well done, Town, well done. I seriously think this game needs a nomination for the "Best Town Performance" Scummy. Not counting the Mastin vs. Desperado match, there were no mislynches this game. Every single lynch was on Scum. How often does that happen in a large theme game?

Not very often, really. It

is

quite impressive, I'd say. But then again, as a member of the town, my opinion maaaaaaaay be biased.