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[Darthe]

Hello all! My apologies for the wait, I just received a game link and will catch up now.

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Okay, I think I am caught up now and I have a few things:

Much as I hate to admit it Nero looks town here. He has a lot better meta than I have seen from him before.
Likewise my town list includes: cop and parent hydras, monkey, ferret, esquire, and desperado.

i think most scum could be found in:
raven (bad votes imo), ratedR (some overcompensated townieness early game), jebus (where is this person?), and ferret (attempting to stay far too neutral to the mood at any time)

some that I am on the fence about (different from null hwich is just no opinion) include svet, krab, goat, and pan.

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Also, I should apologize for replacing and going immediately inactive. I'm afraid it was finals week this week and I just finished about three hours ago.

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@ Nero, my PM is in plain black text.

what is wrong with my reads thus far?

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Okay, perhaps I am missing something here but from my read of the game it doesn't seem that we have any sort of clear direction thus far. I mean, yeah it is day one but we should at least be involved with one another rather than certain groups on other groups right?

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Also, Vifam. Not much has changed since you left, at least not in my opinion

Don't you have a QT to mention this in?

Okay, perhaps I am missing something here but from my read of the game it doesn't seem that we have any sort of clear direction thus far. I mean, yeah it is day one but we should at least be involved with one another rather than certain groups on other groups right?

I have absolutely no idea what this is saying at all.

Find scum.

In what will likely be an unpopular statement...

...I do not support the Krab wagon.

Why did you think this would be unpopular?

I mean, like, you have to think about EVERY SINGLE POST, even if it's only 39 of them. Each one has to be thought through and they have to be summed up at the end to make a final decision.

Found it!

Vote Ferret

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^This is not wrong. Sucks though.

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I don't do lists is such a shitty reason. Sorry, I just figured someone who was voted most cunning manipulator would say more in that regard?

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[Kise]

You guys act like you've never been wrong about someone being town. Someone else asked and it hasn't been answered...

why is Krabs town?

There are theories going around as to what scum may or may not be doing in this situation. How about some facts? Like Krabs' contradictory patterns?

I really dislike this post.

Malcolm, you're using the point being debated as factual evidence that Krabs is scum, and look like you're setting up a precedent to refer to if Krab flips town.

Still haven't answered the bolded.

Nacho, If you start posting like you did in this game I will unvote instantly.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=24478

We really don't give a shit how you feel.

I can see Raven scum. I would've expected her to give up with the "answer my questions" by now. It seems like an easy way for her to appear active.

@Raven - It seriously feels like that's all you're doing. Fuck the questions. Try another way of scumhunting.

Kinda like how you were persistent here?

Fuck your wagon, fuck your case, fuck you fucked up logic for voting WITH one of your suspects.

Now again, why aren't you speculating people could be bussing? Why is it that one scumread totally negates you from scumreading someone else? I don't believe you don't see how closed minded and ignorant this is.

One of the two major obstacles to lynching Krab has been lifted, he's not a PR. Your previous justification for his softclaim was that he was a Cop or Doctor ("People read "might as well claim" as him having something to claim, and you only do as a power role." - Sven), so how do you explain why Krab felt he "might as well claim now" due to his "inevitable lynch" at five votes?

Svet is a scumfuck that's why. Now that I called him out as such he wants to have unhealthy words for me. Feathers have been ruffled. He's also dodging your question like a pro.

Fucking foreigners need to stop coming on my goddamn site, on MY GODDAMN AMERICAN SOIL with your bullshit

<3 AA9

Svet needs death

Mutt's claim doesn't mesh with what Krabs was trying to soft claim. Mutt/Krabs is town[/url]
Unvote?

Kise has been ordering people around

I have? You've got me mixed with Svet I think

I have Krabs as town because of my perception of the Krabs wagon vs. the Malcolm/GCBC wagons.

Useless. You don't need to wait around on the fence for others before voting me. Explain why you currently are.

I don't know if you're off on this with Svet but am interested in who you think is most likely to fit with Svet if your predictions are accurate?

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Why xMalcolmx needs to be the lynch today:

Post #401: "Scum can be protown too.". Votes for Krab without much justification.

#489, #492: "Too tired, too much going on."

#616: "(Jebus') lack of posting isn't scummy in and of itself."

#619: Agrees with Stal's timestamp catch, then OMGUS' him later after being attacked. Attack on Krab is weak. Says Skull and Raven are town without any justification, likely only that they are on the same wagon as him, very opportunistic.

#679: Asks Krab to claim at L-4.

#841: Admits Desperado looks scum, but doesn't mind that Desperado is on his wagon.

#1019: "You guys act like you've never been wrong about someone being town." Terrible defence against good arguments.

Even these quotes read as misguided townie to me. The only things that really strike when put in this regard are #619, #679, and #1019.


Btw,
Sorry about the absence all, I just graduated today and it has been so busy!

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Hey, I just got back to this and saw the death. Ferret comes out of this looking blindsided and I am probably going to place a vote there (after an ISO in the morning, I'll do a case to show you all if I find stuff). Alternatively Svet has looked to gain a lot of quick town credit based on... knowing the canon? I can't figure out if his stream of consciousness is just that or is jumping on easy brownie points. Gotta agree with Desperado about Krab but that slot is funky in general imo and past that I will have more to say tomorrow. Happy Mothers Day to those of you who are stateside.

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Okay.

1. Nobody can know, unless they are one.
   
2. Indies are possibly not a threat to us; while scum faction(s) definitely are a threat.

What is this? Possibly not a threat? They are a non-town faction. Even if they aren't scum they are less valuable than town and they do not hold the same agenda. The dissimilarity makes them a target for us.

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Triple post here not posts. Erm the main scum tell wasn't TE mistaken identity but the mourning part of the post. It's like he shooting about the kill.

I have no idea what the fuck you're trying to say.

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I often find myself in the position I am currently in, where I don't give enough fucks about reading the numerous pages posted in a day to reevaluate based on new posts. Thus, I will be sheeping the rest of this day on Nero who seems town, and praying to god that you all lynch Ferret. If he is still alive D2 then I hope I will be out of this blegh mood by then and intend to give the case I said I would.

Fair?

Nero, where am I voting? Don't fuck it up.

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Can you all kill ferret tomorrow please

Yes sir.

@Nero, got it.

Vote Goat.

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How will this work out without a D1 lynch? I'm not sure what's supposed to happen now if there is no D1 lynch. I understand how that gives us less information, but what else does it do?

Is this a real question?

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That is a good case against mutley.

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Nero Cain (Post #8):

"I can live with loving pokemon and ferrets, he's out."

When did I say that I liked Pokemon? FOR READING MY MIND.

VOTE: NERO CAIN

It's not anti-town if they are scum

although they wouldn't be voting for themselves if they were scum, but it's WIFOM anyways.

UNVOTE: NERO CAIN

VOTE: SKULLDUGGERY

First and foremost, two votes on two strong town players this game. I would also like to note before I get into this that Ferret knows how to play mafia, and is not new to the game despite being new to site. This is important to note because he is making clearly basic mistakes and seems to be playing up his newness and experience simultaneously.

I think that right now it is still all random votes and shenanigans. Can we all just stop overreacting to everything?

Here we see something not overtly scummy. However, it is notable because this is a player setting themselves up as a median.

This is all a bunch of bullcrap.

How was that fishing?

He was just asking about a possible breadcrumb, because scum will use that later if they can and want to. Removing that possibility druing their play makes their claim less believable. I actually think that that is pro-town.

Random discusson about a breadcrumb and is arguing that early reveals are pro-town because of their effect on wigggle room? How did this slide?

I didn't even see any breadcrumb happening, but I don't see it as bad to point out a possible breadcrumb.

This is basically all the response that was given and then that conversation died.

oh lol

I just derped around and accidentally clicked RavenPaw's ISO button, and she has vote/unvote FOUR TIMES. I think that alone is enough of a reason to vote for her.

UNVOTE
VOTE: RAVENPAW

No. Read on and you all can see why. but first.. {1}

So I get back from school, and I get a wagon on me. lolwut

What is being expected of me currently? There are so many posts when I get back from school that I get overwhelmed. I have no idea what questions people are trying to ask me, because they are just getting boggled up with all of the other (for the lack of a better term) "filler" posts.

Could someone

please

make a post with the questions they would like me to answer, and I would be glad to comply.

Simply put this post is terribad. If you can't take the time to read and respond to relevant things already in thread then why would you vie for time like this? The hope here is clearly to get a couple of questions that are manageable and let the rest fall away. And he is surprised to get a wagon from his bullshanks, which eventually dies to Goat and etc which he advocates but then goes nowhere with. That is quoted to for reference.

I don't really have any scumreads for now, so I will make a vote in my next post for the person with the post longest ago.

Wut the actual Fuck?

@Ravenpaw what have I ignored? Just quote/say it again and I'll probably be happy to answer.

See now, this is why I called that earlier thing bullshanks (refer to {1}), because he has yet to vote anyone else and voted her on the policy of...pretty much nothing by his own admission?.. and then he is being submissive towards her.

Hello, I'm back. I have seen this stuff and have felt that the Krab wagon is unneeded. Goat, however, has been much worse. If you're drunk, then don't play werewolf.

UNVOTE
VOTE: THE GOAT

And then he votes Goat. It's been a while here, but pressure is off him and goat is getting traction so this is a vote "for being drunk". That is four throwaways in a row, not somethng I feel happens from townies, especially not ones who seem so involved in the game. Why is this person not casing or advocating anyone? Why does he not have reads? Why is he playing an erratic game? To avoid looking too false. That is literally the only reason that I can come up with that makes any sense, because for someone who "can't reply to the big pile of questions/casing/etc" made against him he is remarkably active.. and unfocused.

And Town will make scumslips too if they are drunk and not careful, so that degrades your point.

Defending? Before you voted him for being drunk, then you said he appeared genuinely drunk (forgot to quote guys, sorry), now you're defending him for drunkenness because the act of intoxication somehow makes someones statements less likely to reflect their alignment in your eyes? This is again contrary with various things ferret stated before regarding his views on playrs, playstyle, scumminess, and the like. It doesn't add up at all for a player who is not inexperienced.

I

do not

think that this is scumhunting, I was just trying to get a response

from them

, and get more reactions, because apparently reactions are good for scumhunting.

I don't feel like there are any good lynches today, so should I just vote No Lynch?

946 pages in this is said? are you shitting me? Such a goddamn throwaway for the shitty voting a play made up to this point. Indeed, past here we somewhat see his play tighten up. It looks like someone got snipped at. Maybe a day QT?

So a 1-Shot Day-Vig I'm assuming? Dammit RoleCop gone. That sux man.

boo.

No, Krabs wouldn't be the scumread. The

slot

is the scumread.

This is so semantic. And ironic.

Ummm... RATEDR just TOLD us that he hasn't read the thread. Scummy? Yes. Sven's case? Yes. Let's lynch RATEDR. Noone else sees the scumminness of xMALCOMx...

VOTE: RATEDR

How is this scummy but you were okay with it when you did it to not answer questions? Further, what is the fixation with hydras?

So vote for me then pressure another vote. What are you doing?

You just made my scumtell on you more massive.

Nonono. Confirmation bias or flail, this guy doesn't do well under pressure either way.

Goat really bought a shovel and went to town there. Diggin' himself a hole. Should GOAT be the lynch today or should it be RATEDR or should it be MALCOM? So many lynch choices D:

Another push for goat while voting the other hydra that gave you a major scumread boner after you voted him and you decide to attempt and set up lynches? This post hurt my heart a bit, I almost felt bad for him.

You can't just "disregard" someone in a game like Mafia. You have to read everything and make logical, educated decisions. If you just "disregard" Nero because he suspects you then you will definitely be seen as scum.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

You're trying to be funny and it's just digging you into a hole. Krabs was a Town read, you are a scum read.

Town Reads:
ferret
Sven
Desp
AA9
Skull

Scum Reads:
Mutley
Malcom
RATEDR
AA

He is in his list of townreads... Goat isn't, nor are over half the people he has voted. However, he hasn't voted some of his scum reads and is pushing on those he doesn't list in either. I leave you all to interpret and weigh that.

I doubt that there is a lyncher in the setup.

This came out of nowhere so I included it.

What does that even mean?

Just shut up :/

You find someone that irks you and you urge them to talk less? A townsmember should want them to talk more to gain info from them. The only reason to shut someone up is if you don't want what they have to say to be heard.

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Nero Cain (Post #8):

"I can live with loving pokemon and ferrets, he's out."

When did I say that I liked Pokemon? FOR READING MY MIND.

VOTE: NERO CAIN

It's not anti-town if they are scum

although they wouldn't be voting for themselves if they were scum, but it's WIFOM anyways.

UNVOTE: NERO CAIN

VOTE: SKULLDUGGERY

First and foremost, two votes on two strong town players this game. I would also like to note before I get into this that Ferret knows how to play mafia, and is not new to the game despite being new to site. This is important to note because he is making clearly basic mistakes and seems to be playing up his newness and experience simultaneously.

I think that right now it is still all random votes and shenanigans. Can we all just stop overreacting to everything?

Here we see something not overtly scummy. However, it is notable because this is a player setting themselves up as a median.

This is all a bunch of bullcrap.

How was that fishing?

He was just asking about a possible breadcrumb, because scum will use that later if they can and want to. Removing that possibility druing their play makes their claim less believable. I actually think that that is pro-town.

Random discusson about a breadcrumb and is arguing that early reveals are pro-town because of their effect on wigggle room? How did this slide?

I didn't even see any breadcrumb happening, but I don't see it as bad to point out a possible breadcrumb.

This is basically all the response that was given and then that conversation died.

oh lol

I just derped around and accidentally clicked RavenPaw's ISO button, and she has vote/unvote FOUR TIMES. I think that alone is enough of a reason to vote for her.

UNVOTE
VOTE: RAVENPAW

No. Read on and you all can see why. but first.. {1}

So I get back from school, and I get a wagon on me. lolwut

What is being expected of me currently? There are so many posts when I get back from school that I get overwhelmed. I have no idea what questions people are trying to ask me, because they are just getting boggled up with all of the other (for the lack of a better term) "filler" posts.

Could someone

please

make a post with the questions they would like me to answer, and I would be glad to comply.

Simply put this post is terribad. If you can't take the time to read and respond to relevant things already in thread then why would you vie for time like this? The hope here is clearly to get a couple of questions that are manageable and let the rest fall away. And he is surprised to get a wagon from his bullshanks, which eventually dies to Goat and etc which he advocates but then goes nowhere with. That is quoted to for reference.

I don't really have any scumreads for now, so I will make a vote in my next post for the person with the post longest ago.

Wut the actual Fuck?

@Ravenpaw what have I ignored? Just quote/say it again and I'll probably be happy to answer.

See now, this is why I called that earlier thing bullshanks (refer to {1}), because he has yet to vote anyone else and voted her on the policy of...pretty much nothing by his own admission?.. and then he is being submissive towards her.

Hello, I'm back. I have seen this stuff and have felt that the Krab wagon is unneeded. Goat, however, has been much worse. If you're drunk, then don't play werewolf.

UNVOTE
VOTE: THE GOAT

And then he votes Goat. It's been a while here, but pressure is off him and goat is getting traction so this is a vote "for being drunk". That is four throwaways in a row, not somethng I feel happens from townies, especially not ones who seem so involved in the game. Why is this person not casing or advocating anyone? Why does he not have reads? Why is he playing an erratic game? To avoid looking too false. That is literally the only reason that I can come up with that makes any sense, because for someone who "can't reply to the big pile of questions/casing/etc" made against him he is remarkably active.. and unfocused.

And Town will make scumslips too if they are drunk and not careful, so that degrades your point.

Defending? Before you voted him for being drunk, then you said he appeared genuinely drunk (forgot to quote guys, sorry), now you're defending him for drunkenness because the act of intoxication somehow makes someones statements less likely to reflect their alignment in your eyes? This is again contrary with various things ferret stated before regarding his views on playrs, playstyle, scumminess, and the like. It doesn't add up at all for a player who is not inexperienced.

I

do not

think that this is scumhunting, I was just trying to get a response

from them

, and get more reactions, because apparently reactions are good for scumhunting.

I don't feel like there are any good lynches today, so should I just vote No Lynch?

946 pages in this is said? are you shitting me? Such a goddamn throwaway for the shitty voting a play made up to this point. Indeed, past here we somewhat see his play tighten up. It looks like someone got snipped at. Maybe a day QT?

So a 1-Shot Day-Vig I'm assuming? Dammit RoleCop gone. That sux man.

boo.

No, Krabs wouldn't be the scumread. The

slot

is the scumread.

This is so semantic. And ironic.

Ummm... RATEDR just TOLD us that he hasn't read the thread. Scummy? Yes. Sven's case? Yes. Let's lynch RATEDR. Noone else sees the scumminness of xMALCOMx...

VOTE: RATEDR

How is this scummy but you were okay with it when you did it to not answer questions? Further, what is the fixation with hydras?

So vote for me then pressure another vote. What are you doing?

You just made my scumtell on you more massive.

Nonono. Confirmation bias or flail, this guy doesn't do well under pressure either way.

Goat really bought a shovel and went to town there. Diggin' himself a hole. Should GOAT be the lynch today or should it be RATEDR or should it be MALCOM? So many lynch choices D:

Another push for goat while voting the other hydra that gave you a major scumread boner after you voted him and you decide to attempt and set up lynches? This post hurt my heart a bit, I almost felt bad for him.

You can't just "disregard" someone in a game like Mafia. You have to read everything and make logical, educated decisions. If you just "disregard" Nero because he suspects you then you will definitely be seen as scum.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

You're trying to be funny and it's just digging you into a hole. Krabs was a Town read, you are a scum read.

Town Reads:
ferret
Sven
Desp
AA9
Skull

Scum Reads:
Mutley
Malcom
RATEDR
AA

He is in his list of townreads... Goat isn't, nor are over half the people he has voted. However, he hasn't voted some of his scum reads and is pushing on those he doesn't list in either. I leave you all to interpret and weigh that.

I doubt that there is a lyncher in the setup.

This came out of nowhere so I included it.

What does that even mean?

Just shut up :/

You find someone that irks you and you urge them to talk less? A townsmember should want them to talk more to gain info from them. The only reason to shut someone up is if you don't want what they have to say to be heard.



In summation, this is why Ferret stuck out to me. He is trying to get by, but not helping town. While others are doing so as well his reads to me as the most false and manipulative example. Thus I

Unvote Vote Ferret.

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Sorry, accidentally pressed send before adding the end. That is the ferret case in full.

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What the actual fuck. I can't believe that the only one to even mention my case or vote on ferret is the goddamn flake.

Ferret didn't even have shit to say past "sounds about right"? Seriously?

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@Skull, I was referring to Jebus who is the only one to actually vote Ferret. My bad =p

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Jesus, I didn't realize that you would case yourself. Voting someone for their ethnicity?

[Darthe]

I would legitimitely vote mutley just to get people to shut the hell up about him and because he is being a retard..

[Darthe]

First and foremost, two votes on two strong town players this game. I would also like to note before I get into this that Ferret knows how to play mafia, and is not new to the game despite being new to site. This is important to note because he is making clearly basic mistakes and seems to be playing up his newness and experience simultaneously.

Why do you think he is attacking two strong town players, and why do you think those two players are town?

Here we see something not overtly scummy. However, it is notable because this is a player setting themselves up as a median.

I tell people to stop being stupid when they're being stupid regardless of my alignment. What is ferret doing as scum?

Random discusson about a breadcrumb and is arguing that early reveals are pro-town because of their effect on wigggle room? How did this slide?

Different mindset; that doesn't mean scum. Unless you think that he's experienced scum who is confident that he can change the opinion of the site meta while maintaining the image of the innocent newbie, it's not that good of a tell; it's just wrong. Early reveals are good in formats where plurality lynch rules and majority doesn't always go through because scum always like to claim near the end of the day so they can grab a few panic unvotes and not be in fear of being counterclaimed.

See now, this is why I called that earlier thing bullshanks (refer to {1}), because he has yet to vote anyone else and voted her on the policy of...pretty much nothing by his own admission?.. and then he is being submissive towards her.

I sort of agree with the submissive part, but that's distinctly a newscum scumtell and inconsistent with the rest of your case.

And then he votes Goat. It's been a while here, but pressure is off him and goat is getting traction so this is a vote "for being drunk". That is four throwaways in a row, not somethng I feel happens from townies, especially not ones who seem so involved in the game. Why is this person not casing or advocating anyone? Why does he not have reads? Why is he playing an erratic game? To avoid looking too false. That is literally the only reason that I can come up with that makes any sense, because for someone who "can't reply to the big pile of questions/casing/etc" made against him he is remarkably active.. and unfocused.

Just because you don't understand him doesn't mean that an explanation exists. I've never seen someone with a "I don't know what he's saying, thus scum" case actually hit scum.

Defending? Before you voted him for being drunk, then you said he appeared genuinely drunk (forgot to quote guys, sorry), now you're defending him for drunkenness because the act of intoxication somehow makes someones statements less likely to reflect their alignment in your eyes? This is again contrary with various things ferret stated before regarding his views on playrs, playstyle, scumminess, and the like. It doesn't add up at all for a player who is not inexperienced.

OK. So you think that this inconsistent thought process is coming from him because he's pretending to be bad? But, why play like that anyways? Why not just play well as scum?

In summation, this is why Ferret stuck out to me. He is trying to get by, but not helping town. While others are doing so as well his reads to me as the most false and manipulative example.

I see so much "this is bad" but not enough "this is scum". You haven't been helping town worth shit and now you're flying after an easy target.

Answered point for point:

It seemed to me like simple bad play to attack players who are (to me at least, and the general consensus so far as I can tell) town and I would consider once regular but... so many separate irregular votes with no purpose (admittedly) strike me as someone who overstepped and recognized it in trying to blend early game.

Setting himself up as a mediator..? Did you not read the post?

I would disagree. Submissiveness happens anytime the individual doesn't have a ready plan to charge in another direction, so to speak or would rather avoid confrontation. It fits his play, which isn't simply bad play but has the distinct ring of care associated with scum in my opinion.

This one isn't arguable, sorry. Breadcrumbing: good. False breadcrumbing: okay in the right situation. Seeing someone elses breadcrumb: good for accountability. Announcing someone elses breadcrumb on thread: bad. I recognize that this was a hypothetical, hence I didn't continuously argue it, but there is no advantage gained by pointing out a breadcrumb that would not better serve after the individual claims.

You make a good point here. Perhaps this is some minor confirmation bias but I saw it as connected to the erratic voting.

My general notion of town play is that people play less cautiously as town because their lives are worth less than those are as scum. In essence, if you want to fake being town you can't play a perfect game. People wonder why you aren't being NK'd. People use PR's on you to be sure you aren't awesome scum. People just don't trust an overly done performance and will sense it being off. Thus, I caught onto this (initially gut and pretty confirmed to me by what I found in my casework) because it seemed too much so in the opposite direction, someone who was

trying

to look bad enough to skirt, but not be killed.

If this is an easy target then why are you so for him? Ferret is being successful and I am aiding the town to the best of my ability by finding these sorts of inconsistencies. What going would I be if I spread myself thin on people who didn't stick out to me as much?

[Darthe]

In other news I think the despo monkey chase looks like town on town and goat is not helping do anything but instigate.

[Darthe]

I'm not entirely sold on Monkey as scum, but his adamant refusal to admit that he was acting a little squirrely is a huge red flag for me.

This is valid. You're kind of an odd read for me because it seems like you aren't productive (and can even be counterproductive) but then make statements like this. I don't know how to count that.

[Darthe]

I'm not entirely sold on Monkey as scum, but his adamant refusal to admit that he was acting a little squirrely is a huge red flag for me.

This is valid. You're kind of an odd read for me because it seems like you aren't productive (and can even be counterproductive) but then make statements like this. I don't know how to count that.

Can you explain how Goat's post make sense from a town perspective?

Can you explain how it makes sense from a mafia perspective? To me it seems that mafia wouldn't want to say "idk so vote here" sort of like malcolm mentioned earlier but goat is going with what his gut says. The game may be one of logic, but the gut is where you get tells and mafiaz shouldn't have a gut because they already know who is who. Multi-ball makes that a bit tougher, but his post reads honest imo.

[Darthe]

We are nagging so much.. Can we just lynch monkey and move further.. this day been long enough!!!

You need to die too.

Was just thinking something similar..

[Darthe]

And regarding Darthe's case, when he said that I am not new to Mafia, I AM new.

I am not sure what you are talking about.

You have displayed an understanding of the core mechanics and terminology associated with warewolf. Furthermore, you didn't bother to mention this days ago when I made the case and you stated that you had read it etc. Thus I'll assume that this is a lie. DIAF.

[Darthe]

I can't decide to read that as "you need to find scum because all that you have found is myself and I am not scum" or "You need to find scum besides myself".

[Darthe]

Ferret,
Jebus
Raven
Arc, Mac
Fuzzy
Penguin
Esquire
Despo
AA, Zach, Peta
Nero



I am curious why Malcolm, Mutley, and Pere were left off?

[Darthe]

I am curious why Malcolm, Mutley, and Pere were left off?

As I explained, I'm not interested in killing them. Why did you leave Goat off your list?

Forgot him.. Updated.

Ferret,
Jebus
Raven
Arc, Mac
Fuzzy
Goat
Penguin
Esquire
Despo
AA, Zach, Peta
Nero



I am curious why Malcolm, Mutley, and Pere were left off?

I don't agree with leaving people off the list btw, it is selfish and short sighted. You would be better to include them so that people have to give full lists, scum has less wiggle room and more room for error, and then the lists have more purpose.

I say that people should add in everyone (save themselves). I am correct in saying that those three are the only ones left off aren't I?

[Darthe]

^Because I am losing my fucking mind apparently. jesus.

[Darthe]

Ooh now I get it (had to recall my halfway asleep brain from last night). I wrote that to compare how my predecessor played in my eyes with the rest of you.

[Darthe]

^ You realize that two of those are the same person don't you?

[Darthe]

VOTE: desp

Likely scum don't need more evidence

No.

[Darthe]

4. Desperado
19. The Goat
12. Sry
1. jebus
2. Darthe

swag malcolm x
i'll explain mine in the morn

4. Desperado
19. The Goat
12. Sry
1. jebus
2. Darthe

11. Amethyst Actor
5. penguin_alien
17. Mac

hrmmm....

hrmmm....

Kise and I think alike but us having the EXACT same scum list is giving me the willies.

Ditto.

[Darthe]

That is interesting. I just noticed that Monkey wasn't on Nero's list either..

Something feels very amiss about that to me, though I recognize that that is a vague and unhelpful thing. Still, gut is gut.
I think I will trust myself here and vote

Arc

[Darthe]

Help me lynch Despo.... and I will help you with MAC tomorrrow. Both of them are scum!!
I can live with monkey's nonsense for a day more i guess...

VOTE: Despo

This was a disgusting plea bargain post.. even worse with no vote.

[Darthe]

Wow how did nexus pull it through and get the subs :O

I see despo as town again and would love to see a monkey lynch. A monkey lynch wood give us a LOT of info.

I just got grounded from the computer so yeeeeaaaaahhhhh.

Thus monkey is town. I rest my case. And really..? Grounded? That's a good excuse to stay quiet.

[Darthe]

^ Not only does that read as fake, but it also comes directly after a prod and is on someone who isn't going to die this close to deadline.

[Darthe]

This is like the most retarded thing you have said all game nero. Would you rather I be objective or subjective about my predecessor? It has little to do with the slot, more to do with my analysis of play. Unless you're actually asking me to give false reads?

[Darthe]

This is like the most retarded thing you have said all game nero. Would you rather I be objective or subjective about my predecessor? It has little to do with the slot, more to do with my analysis of play. Unless you're actually asking me to give false reads?

but the read on you wouldn't be false unless you are lying about being town. You know your pm, you don't know my pm unless you have some sort of investigation ability.

Why would you even care what Zach did?

Why would I not care about my status when I entered the game? No townie playing with anything other than suicidal intent rushes in without an understanding of their history. Imo, you played a better town game than Zach to that point. He was still obv town and I knew that but the line of conjecture you're following doesn't make sense. It is like saying that you would ignore your own history simply to not cause conflict.

[Darthe]

Unvote
Vote: Darthe

I find this out of character.

VOTE: Darthe

However, this I distinctly don't. Cheap scum opportunity ftw. Sincerely, even if I was scum I would think that you were working with Malcolm at this point.

[Darthe]

This looks like town, like, seriously seriously town. I haven't read the game yet, obv, but this does not seem like a scum-Darthe. (Granted, I've only seen town-Darthe so I don't know what his scumplay actually is, but it certainly looks town. )

Check out my post #2020 for Darthe's big wallpost on an easy target. You and I love to engage ourselves with players that are weaker than ourselves, scumDarthe set himself to engage a weaker player. Now this would be fine if he had any other scumreads until that point, but he literally hadn't done jack or shit.

Seriously, guys. Listen to Mastin meta. His reads are followed quickly? They're wrong.
His reads are ignored totally? He's dead on the money.

My reads are being ignored totally, and thus, I'm dead on the money.

I completely agree with you. But Darthe-scum is easy to lynch and sitting right in front of us.

Malcolm i will reread but no every single line and not until at least friday.

ok that's good enough for me

This is like the most retarded thing you have said all game nero. Would you rather I be objective or subjective about my predecessor? It has little to do with the slot, more to do with my analysis of play. Unless you're actually asking me to give false reads?

Mastin, how much do you care about being "objective" with your predecessor?
None at all, right?
The fact that being objective about a predecessor is even an ISSUE and the fact that he's missing the obvious "your opinion of your predecessor doesn't matter worth SHIT" is double-plus good for why Darthe needs to die instantly.

My dick. Need I say more?

Perhaps so. Everyone should care about objectivity with a replacement, with other slots, with everyone but themselves because that is unnecessary (see above). In this particular analogy, when weighing the size, shape, and feel of others dicks you should be objective malcolm, or else it will be offensive. However, when you go to compare it to your own, then you must be subjective! Use lines such as "Well, at least it is larger than some." or "I must say that it has a superior curvature."

Now apply this lesson to examination of others and GFY.

[Darthe]

Ps if we have another no lynch that is stupid. Therefore I think people can get behind this wagon that I went to vote for earlier

VOTE: desp

I don't support this.

[Darthe]

Everybody just completely fucked the trains we had built info and cases on to solve this. But that is fine, at least I can finally confirm myself by catching...

vote ferret

[Darthe]

I don't get why Despo is voting Darthe if he just said he doesn't think scum told.

Likewise Mac continues to push me. At least Nero and Malcolm put me where they treat me.

[Darthe]

Dammit.

Ferret's town. Seriously.

I still don't think Darthe's scum. I can

see

him as maybe being scum, now, but I really,

really

have a strong gut feeling he's town.

If I've really got no other choice, I guess I'd vote him to avoid no-lynch, but I really, REALLY have a bad feeling that he's going to flip town and that this lynch is a mistake.

Seriously--can't we get anyone else? Not ferret, either. Heck, I'd be more satisfied with a Desperado-Darthe setup than that, but even then, that's not ideal.

Seriously. There has to be a name that we can agree on outside of them. Can you give me a gameday (well, gamenight ) to read Darthe so that I can get a better opinion on him? I don't like that lynch right now. Can't we instead lynch, say, penguin_alien? Mac? pidgey? (Okay, maybe not pidgey. Benefit of the doubt is being given right now.) The Goat?

Seriously, there

has

to be a better option than Darthe.

If you decide to take the extra time to do this then please please note how quickly arc wagons have risen and fallen through this game.

[Darthe]

I love the confidence mastin has in me, but it bugs me that I am "possibly the strongest gut town read he has ever got" yet he would rather lynch me than ferret.. Idk.

Amethyst is pinging me with the pop in and jive type of play.

I would lynch Penguin, but Mac moreso. Mastin is dead wrong on Despo.

[Darthe]

I love the confidence mastin has in me, but it bugs me that I am "possibly the strongest gut town read he has ever got" yet he would rather lynch me than ferret.. Idk.

Amethyst is pinging me with the pop in and jive type of play.

I would lynch Penguin, but Mac moreso. Mastin is dead wrong on Despo.

You're my strongest gut townread ever, yes, but my read on ferret isn't gut. It's logic. It's painfully,

painfully

obvious that ferret's town off of his posting; I can quote almost any post and show you the towniness therein.

And by the nature of my read, of

course

I'm dead-wrong on Despo. There's no such thing as a dead-null alignment in a game. Desperado has an alignment, and I haven't managed to make a read one way or the other.

And, Darthe. If you don't want yourself to be lynched, you should be on Penguin. We can maybe jump to Mac, yes, but I don't think that has as much support, and I feel weaker about that read anyway.

I would be happy to jump on Penguin and not be pushed so close to death but I see no support there.

[Darthe]

Fuck it, I will get the ball rolling here. I am sin cara.

unvote vote mac

[Darthe]

Goddammit. I am a lyncher. I am hunting Roman Reigns who ambushed and beat me down at smackdown. To aid me in this I have a single view that allows me to see if someone is or is not Roman.

I would rather live.

unvote vote PA

[Darthe]

Do not vig me Nero. I'm town and if you would take even a second to consider the possibility, you would have seen it by now.

For what it's worth, I think he's town too.

[Darthe]

What does sin cara do?

If Sin Cara does anything other than bounce around on a trampoline, I'll die of surprise.

In fact, I'm...kinda surprised he'd...even be in the game.

*suspicious look*

explain this?

Well, here's my thinking. The game was launched right about the time of Wrestlemania.

21 players. General consensus is that there are two (3) man scum teams. One of those roles was Heyman, who is dead. Doesn't enter into the remainder of the equation.

That leaves 15 people.

We know the following roles were in the game:

The Rock
Chris Jericho

That leaves 13. If we are to believe that Mutley is telling the truth, he's Kofi Kingston.

That leaves 12. We're gonna eliminate Brock Lesnar and CM Punk, as they are likely part of the Heyman team.

Can we run through 12 more WWE superstars who were more relevant than Sin Cara at the time the game was started?

1) John Cena
2) HHH
3) The Undertaker
4) Alberto Del Rio
5) Jack Swagger
6) Randy Orton
7) Big Show
8) Sheamus
9) The Miz
10) Wade Barrett
11) Mark Henry
12) Ryback
13) Kane
14) Daniel Bryan
15) Fandango

Even if we eliminated heels, I'm pretty sure we'd go a few more characters before we got to Sin Cara. Just my thinking.

My character is not on your list and I am town.

For the point of it, just going to toss out that my teammates have told me to mention that this list is bullshit and makes Goat scum for the other team. The reason I say that is that it includes one of our fake claims over more popular players and thus includes their fake claims as well.

If you need examples... Stone Cold Steve Austin, Rick Flair, Andre the Giant, Vince McMahon, Jesse Ventura, Johnny Pepper, Rodey Piper, Any female wrestler, Shawn Michaels, Damien Sandow, Zach Ryder, Rey Mysterio, etc you get the point.