WWE Believe in the Shield

[xMALCOLMx]

Day phases will last 2 weeks maximum.

o rly?
QUICKLYNCH!

VOTE: XMalcomX

For my first and favorite IC <3 I just had to send you love.

<3

I think that was my last game of 2012 before coming back to the site.

This is not me, Dammit Dad I sound nothing like this. If Nacho ever falls for this, even for a second I think I will cry. I mean, I do love him but it's more of a love/hate kinda love. You understand, right Nacho?

Oh..I thought TAM was referring to me (Kise).
So you mean Nacho and me were ICs for you two?

Vote Svet

...I'm still butthurt over Flavorless

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You understand, right Nacho?

I understand. I didn't teach you to love. I taught you to hate.

Vote: Fizzyman

Nero is right in that the past four pages suck. All I can find is one measly opportunistic scum.

[xMALCOLMx]

Unvote

Vote: Skullduggery

Self-voting is anti-town and a little scummy.

[xMALCOLMx]

Malcolm, there are a lot of players right now with a lot worse reasons for their votes.

There are? Bring them to me.

Whoa! Did Nero accidentally let slip some qt discussion he'd had?
Hmm...

This vote is a bit boring. I don't think that Nero would have a discussion about zach being a good player in his scum QT and then immediately slip that info in his first post of the game. Do you?

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What do you base that on Malcolm? A slip is a slip. Seems like you are defending in a softish way.

A slip is a slip except when it's not a slip.

I have no problem with her vote, have you called out any votes on skull? Or was every vote on skull a good vote in your opinion?

I'm not going to call out every shit vote. I picked on Ravenpaw's specifically because she's having some thoughts that could be a little more refined.

[xMALCOLMx]

And scum is anti-town last time I checked.

Scum can be protown too. They can promote discussion, lynch their partners, stop townies from doing stupid shit... But we're here to lynch them. When we go for anti-town, we miss a lot of things that are actually scummy.

Whether or not you call it "rolefishing", I don't really care. Asking "are you softclaiming role X?" is not a good thing for town-aligned people to do.

Neither is lurking and providing nothing but substance except for a piss-poor attack on someone for being anti-town. But we all have our vices, I suppose.

I would also be game for a ferret lynch too.

I'm actually quite liking ferret for town. What are you seeing that I'm not?

Svenskt, I assume everyone else reads as Null to you?
~Krabs

That's a pretty shitty assumption for someone you have a townread on.

Regarding Nacho, I just finished a game where he was utr and scum the whole time, low post counts but no one never put any heat on him, thats not happening this game.

You'll have to wait for me and Kise to talk in our quicktopic for me to make anything awesome happen.

Vote: Krab

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I would also be game for a ferret lynch too.[/quo

Regarding Nacho, I just finished a game where he was utr and scum the whole time, low post counts but no one never put any heat on him, thats not happening this game.

You'll have to wait for me and Kise to talk in our quicktopic for me to make anything awesome happen.

Vote: Krab

Allright. So volume wise, what can I expect out of the two of you? Estimate in per real day volume.

A handle between the two of us.

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Is this Nacho posting or Kise?

Can't tell black people apart?

oh lol

I just derped around and accidentally clicked RavenPaw's ISO button, and she has vote/unvote FOUR TIMES. I think that alone is enough of a reason to vote for her.

UNVOTE
VOTE: RAVENPAW

I think ferret is town. The way the he holds such conviction in such ridiculous things seems to be coming from an independent thought process. He's pretty fearless for a newbie, which is pretty hard to mimic as scum without prior experience.

[xMALCOLMx]

Kise is catching up

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I feel like I'm in a RK game and no one wants to do anything for fear of coming across scummy.

That place hasn't closed yet?

I also dont like ametysth actor, taking a holliday as a hydra, wtf.

lmao

Malcolm, there are a lot of players right now with a lot worse reasons for their votes.

By worse, do you mean scummier?

I'm actually going to read this later. Too tired, too much going on. Soz.

[xMALCOLMx]

[Kise]

Yeah..Svet gets sonned on page 6. Lazy puuuunk!

@Svet, I could be wrong but aren't you more humorous when you post? I don't see them Dean gifs.

I was gonna vote desperado on account of him being retti from epicmafia.com and pissing himself all the time but my pal did it ofr me. Also, its with shame and guilt that I admit that I am not part of the Shield, and would love to be.

What made you throw out that last sentence? It sounds like a traitor crumb.

So...you've now vote/unvoted THREE TIMES. Is that enough for me to vote you? Why is four worse than three? How is this even close to an acceptable scumtell?

Well let's see. Raven opens up with a gripe about hydras, votes one of them (our slot), and the other 3 votes don't look RVS either. I can understand disregarding a hydra lynch/policy lynch(?), but she doesn't follow up with where her previous 'scumreads' stand in light of her new votes. She just drops whoever she voted and picks on people for single instances, such as saying Nero slipped.

I am implying that people think they see "town power play" or "scum slips" way to much, and not reflecting over the fact that they are wrong alot.

Well this is rich coming from a player that just accused me of a slip.

As I mentioned in Malcolm's QT, I currently think Svet is forcefully switching up his demeanor to throw AA9 and myself off. We recently played a mini last month where he outscummed us.

SO basicly TheEsquire told everyone who they had voted.

Not very hard to fake as scum.

Meh, it helps to see who is jumping all over the bandwagons.

Mm..IMO, what helps me is looking at the timing and other circumstances surrounding the votes, rather than listing players A-Z.

Sven goes on to poke and prod people with questions and gets answers. Seems to be actively hunting the scum menace and gives me a very pro-town vibe.

My eyebrow raises at his lack of follow-up/payoff. He looks busy, yeah, but I wouldn't let him or anyone off that easy for effort.

I'm on page 11. I'll post this so I don't have a big ass wall.

[xMALCOLMx]

To follow up the traitor crumb thing: I don't think the 3 members of the Shield are the only members of mafia in a 21 player.

[xMALCOLMx]

Kekeke...I realize RatedR may not have traitor crumbed but I'd still like a reply. May explain l8r, k cool.

A little early in the game for this direction, no?

Where's my PS2?

@Desperado - I'd be willing to vote Krab or Ferret with you.

How do you plan to get 9 more people to vote with you?

If you look the bottom right under the page numbers, there's a link that says "Activity Overview". Click on that, and then it'll give you a list of players and postcounts. Click on the number of posts and it'll give you all of their posts in iso.

Daaaamn you must not have logged on in some years.

If Arc is scum she'll active lurk like crazy. You both need to stop it.

I want comments on ESQ. NOA!!!

How long/many games have you been telling her of her scum meta? ESQ looks fine at the moment. He kind of flubbed when responding to Svet's question earlier - paraphrase: "you say the speed/opportunism of monkey's wagon is suspicious then vote as well". ESQ's reply was a brush off, but I can't fault him for the answer he did give - paraphrase: "I decided monkey's actions were scummier".

The answer I would have hoped for was clarification that he suspected monkey was being bussed opportunistically, while he was relatively easy to jump on. But, anyway..I wouldn't put ESQ as someone I absolutely wouldn't lynch if deadline came, but at the moment I don't think it's worth making a case on him.

So anyone wanna kill Goat with me?

Tonight...

dunno, I'm think that Jebus might be the vote today.

It's still early but yeah, ATM he looks like a good D1 option.

Nach and Kise are in their quicktopiks asking for helps.

You've been a bad boy. Bend over, it's time for a spanking.

Sheeyit. Svet's posting on page 16 look good. I'll prob be back and forth on you.

People that should be pressured in my mind are Jebus, AA, GOAT and GCBC. What do you think of those four?

Jebus needs to put something up. His lack of content isn't scummy on it's own as I've known it to be a playstyle thing with Jebus, but because of that, I think he's an acceptable lynch on D1. AA just came back from v/la I think? I don't see anything scummy from those two as of page 16. Marangal isn't playing any differently than she was in the flavorless game. Goat is in the same boat as Jebus as far as D1 lynches go. I feel we're coming up to a point where pressure gets thrown out the window and we just take them out. Keeping talkers around is healthier for the game. I've lost to two lurkerscum recently in The Wire - absta was scum there too. I'm surprised he's Good Cop. He tunneled a townie D1, said fuck maybe 200 times(?), posted at a moderate pace but his tone was very aggressively, then finally flipped scum N1.

I am more satisfied with AA's posts than I am Jebus & Goat's. GCBC is mildly aggressive here but I still find their responses/actions to others as anti-town. As explained by my partner, anti-town =/= scum all the time. In this case, I would still vote GCBC.

Knives are for pussies.

How'd you know what I call my penis? Did Nero tell you about the time I stabbed him in the back?

Maturity will return in a bit. I feel this post is longish so I'll drop it and keep reading.

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K I'm back.

Actually, GCBC claims to have iso both in 4 minutes. That in itself is bad. But being so ignorant that you vote the guy who gave you the opinions after you spent a total of 4 minutes looking at them is so very very bad.

Good catch. I need to start looking at timestamps too.

I'd equate Jebus's play as sloppy, and anti-town, but not necessarily scummy as such, which is why he's not a suspect of mine. I can still understand why you guys are voting him though, we do need him to contribute somehow.
~Krabs

This. Kinda, essentially.

Kise is catching up

LOL...you know it took me like 10 minutes to figure out that this was me who posted this. I'm like, wow Nacho is a good guy covering for me. Hey kids, don't get old. Ever.

Jebus has been posting in thread, while you haven't. His posting style also doesn't seem manufactured.
Also, explain your other thoughts.
~Krabs

I don't see how you can say that about me when, thus far, I've said more or less nothing.

Mislynch fodder, eh..

If I assumed that I could be able to shoot

anyone

, I would shoot myself. I haven't been helpful very much and need to be more actively scumhunting. If I couldn't shoot myself then I would have No Action.

Trying too hard, man. We get it.

Everything I said in #502 applies to #s 519 and 520 in spades.

I'll have to do an actual read mish mash with Nacho. He says ferret is town, I say he's null. I also think Doc going at Krab's inconsistent mindframe is good. More people should pay attention to him.

GoodCopBadCop (3)- MonkeyMan576, Krab Bucket, The Goat
ferretlover (3)- Nero Cain, Desperado, GoodCopBadCop
Krab Bucket (3)- Doctor C Niall DeMencha, Amethyst Actor, xMALCOLMx
Jebus (3)- Svenskt Stål, TheEsquire, Ravenpaw
MonkeyMan576 (2)- ArcAngel9, Squidward
Ravenpaw (2)- RATEDR, FuDuzn,
Skullduggery (2)- Fuzzyman, Jebus
Nero Cain (1)- Skullduggery
FuDuzn (1)- zachattack
zachattack (1)- ferretlover

Deadline in 5 days. I like the Krab vote more than ever. His switch to GCBC has already been poked at by others, and I do feel like easing off GCBC for now. The ferret wagon is not something I feel strongly about. Jebus would just be a guy to get out the way early, but we have legit reasons to call other players scum. Skull's been looking town, same with Raven lately. Strange..I have no comment on monkey. That might be bad.

Thank you. I'm short-winded when it comes to making cases.

Except your case on me "changing opinions" on Jebus IS nitpicking though.

It's not nitpicking. You have been inconsistent more than once.

I'm kinda noob-ish when it comes to Mafia. I said I've played before a few times. Never once said I was good. That's not the greatest of excuses though and can only be used so long. What kind of follow-up are you looking for here. Serious question, and I'll give you all the opinions/answers you want if you give me an idea of what you want to know.

I was referring to Svet not following up/looking for payoff earlier in the game, not you.

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Iso'd monkey. I would like for you to comment on Jebus and Krab, as well as the cases on any/everyone if you'd please.

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[Kise]

We are not lynching Krabs today. That ouburst was fucking real.

Shitting me. I've seen emotion come from scum. Drawing mafia doesn't automatically strip you of your soul..He says we're "Stubborn and adamant", about what? That we pointed out real inconsistencies? The fact that it's been one person the whole time makes it even worse.

We've got four days until deadline and you're still talking about pressure. Get with the program. Same to you Nero. You don't like being on the D1 lynch all of a sudden?

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I don't really understand why people vote when they don't think the person they are voting for is likely scummy, IMO you vote for a person because you believe that they are scum.

You're refining your suspicion to fit the correction, which shows you aren't analyzing new evidence.

Pjo's play was a major part of my discussion early D1 and I explained why I felt uncomfortable with his play. I explained what he was doing to make me feel like he was probable scum

Refresh my memory? That was a while ago and not really worth a vote, so I didn't care to memorize anything.

More people should be voting ferret right now. He admitted he's been scummy in #477.

"he's admitted he's been scummy" is the worst scumtell in the entire world.

Claiming neutral, then demanding that a Vigi goes on one of the most pro-town players in the game at this moment in time?
Not to mention your flip-flopping makes me think Mitt Romney is part of your hydra.
I don't bye your claim one bit, and even if you are a neutral, why would you actively say you want a Vigi to kill what many players believe to be one of the most pro-town players at this point. Neutral or not, it seems you may be detrimental to our success.

Do I smell someone hunting for a third party? Yup.

So... GCBC went from thinking that ferret was a bad vote to a good vote in like... 20 minutes?
He also doesnt specify how nero earned his vote.

Man thats alot of shit.

so its shit to scumhunt?

are you actually surprised that I wasn't invested in my unexplained vote on nero?

I dislike this post.

Purge.

I'm kinda noob-ish when it comes to Mafia. I said I've played before a few times. Never once said I was good. That's not the greatest of excuses though and can only be used so long. What kind of follow-up are you looking for here. Serious question, and I'll give you all the opinions/answers you want if you give me an idea of what you want to know.

Hey, if you're having trouble, explain those "one of these is town, one of these is scum" reads.

Krabs, claim now.

[xMALCOLMx]

Ok.

[xMALCOLMx]

Isn't it a bit premature to ask someone to claim at L-4?

It's early, which is why I asked. The wagon off Krabs will probably end up in a lynch if it continues like this, and I would rather see what I'm working with. There are a couple other scumfucks in the horizon we

could

deal with if Krabs is town, but that towniness gotta shine through first.

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Implies that you asked a question.

So?

Who? And Why?
And what do you mean with "deal with if krabs is town?" Regardless of what he claims we can not for sure know that he is town... so are you talking about after a Krabs lynch?

I would be talking about the who and the why if I intended to talk about the who and the why. Currently, we are voting Krabs, who we believe is the best lynch. Deal with if krabs is town means that we will lynch someone else if we change our mind about Krabs.

Implies that you know he is town.

if Krabs is town, but that towniness gotta shine through first.

The conditional if carries through the complete sentence, regardless of whether you highlight it all green or not.

[xMALCOLMx]

@Rated R

[xMALCOLMx]

You have saddened me, FuDuzn.

FUDUZN'S TIME IS UP

MY TIME IS NOW

UNVOTE:

AND WHEN I'M DONE READING THE THREAD, THE SHIELD WILL HAVE TO ANSWER, NOT JUST TO ME, BUT TO THE ENTIRE WWE UNIVERSE

good

I'm not moving off Krab, but ferret really needs to die a terrible, terrible death.

Because he's wrong?

[xMALCOLMx]

sup nacho, gonna be productive?

I'm lynching scum at the moment, no need to be more productive than I already am.

[xMALCOLMx]

Sven, why are you voting Arc?

[xMALCOLMx]

she is posting in other places.

This is why you're voting Arc. This is literally the only reason you are voting Arc. We are doing far more than you are at the moment.

[xMALCOLMx]

malcolm and rated,


a wagons coming.

If you post something better than "LURKER LURKER LURKER LURKER" you might be able to get something done, but not until then. I'm not opposed to a rated wagon after Krabs is lynched though.

[xMALCOLMx]

Malcolm, your despo and goat reads please.

Desperado scum, goat might be scum too but less so.

[xMALCOLMx]

Vote: Jebus

hey sven

[xMALCOLMx]

Also, Vifam. Not much has changed since you left, at least not in my opinion

Don't you have a QT to mention this in?

Okay, perhaps I am missing something here but from my read of the game it doesn't seem that we have any sort of clear direction thus far. I mean, yeah it is day one but we should at least be involved with one another rather than certain groups on other groups right?

I have absolutely no idea what this is saying at all. Find scum.

In what will likely be an unpopular statement...

...I do not support the Krab wagon.

Why did you think this would be unpopular?

[xMALCOLMx]

Because he's the LVG.

Okay. So do you have a reason you don't like the Krab wagon, or...?

[xMALCOLMx]

[Kise]

So Rated R still doesn't answer me, I'm guessing that's because he can't.

Same. Shame, I didn't want them to die either. I know at least Raaize should have responded since Vif was away. But like I said, it looks like they crumbed traitor.

If you were drunk then why be on the internet in the first place.

You also said "it reflects bad on your alignment", which makes it sound like your already know my alignment. Explain?

Okay, seriously.

I cannot tell if you're a Mormon or a Moron, but you should probably stop this. If ANYTHING, you should encourage drunk posting. Why? Because people make stupid mistakes when they're drunk, like scumslipping.

Your pursuit of me based on my playing while inebriated is silly. I enjoy having fun sober. I enjoy having fun while drinking. I am a remarkably responsible person in both states, and drinking makes me no more likely to be scum than playing while sober.

Your implication that one should not bother being on the Internet while drunk is condescending and dismissive.

Please knock it off.

You don't spend much time scumhunting. It would be helpful if you listed a proper defense of the Krab wagon. What is LVG?

Alright Nero. I can vote this too.

I don't get the Krab wagon either. Why do we think it's worth perusing?

Except we know you don't actively follow the thread so why bother explaining

i dont get why the malcolm wagon is so hard to push. Look at what malcolm is posting, there is close to nothing in terms of thoughts on the game, its just endless short questions, or sometimes comments that leaves much to be desired.

Also notice that he hasnt even refuted my claim that this isnt nachos town game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4935277

This is retaliatory as fuck now that I think about it. Remember that special note about you at the bottom?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4925973

Yeah. Where has your poking gone today? I'm curious to know if you weren't just trying to look busy. I also don't blame Nacho for not engaging in this alpha male BS with you.

Since it's getting close to deadline, I need to go on the wagon more likely to go through, I guess.

Unvote:
Vote: GCBC

eh..Krab was 4 votes away from lynch and also a blank slot. GCBC was 6 votes away from a lynch at the time.

Let's try to bring it up to 4-5 votes and then see how malcom responds to it.

eh? 951 is mostly aimed at Nacho except the piece where I was too tired to catch up. I think it's weak to pick on Nacho for mistyping about a question when he really didn't ask a question. That doesn't change that Nacho wanted a claim while it was still early. I can't defend a meta tell but from the looks of things, Svet is using one game as an example. I could tell you that playstyle doesn't always relate to alignment, but there's no real defense against that kind of accusation. I haven't read Amnesiac mafia because I don't need to. Nacho and I are town.

My reads haven't changed other than RatedR. That's about it.

[xMALCOLMx]

To kinda clarify, his case is that Nacho lurked as scum in another game, therefore his [minimal appearance] in this game means he's mafia again.

[xMALCOLMx]

Where is the goat vote at Kise?

Let's be reasonable. Goat is not a viable lynch today. Most of the playerbase's energy has gone towards Krabs.

[xMALCOLMx]

EBWOP

^[Kise]

[xMALCOLMx]

Kise: On a scale of 1-10 how much do you think Goat is scum?

When I want to lynch someone, 10. I told you Goat will vanish overnight. Where is your faith?

[xMALCOLMx]

Let's try to bring it up to 4-5 votes and then see how malcom responds to it.

I won't respond to it if the case is still "This isn't Nacho's town game".

If those are my only two options then I'm against. I'm not in favor of indefinitely extending the day...I think the other 19 of us should be able to figure something out without potentially holding D1 up forever.

We can extend it so the leading wagon can get replaced and claim.

I don't really see the town gaining anything from it.

A claim, for one.

We just sit here, waiting, posting, and making the game even longer and less appealing to a potential replacement?

Or we could lynch someone. The appeal to fear of "the game will last forever if we get an extension" is stupid and inaccurate.

[xMALCOLMx]

For the extension.

[xMALCOLMx]

You guys act like you've never been wrong about someone being town. Someone else asked and it hasn't been answered...why is Krabs town?

There are theories going around as to what scum may or may not be doing in this situation. How about some facts? Like Krabs' contradictory patterns?

[xMALCOLMx]

[Kise]

No, its you who are voting krabs that act like you have never been wrong on scum before. i normal person has doubts and would like the slot to claim, you just dont give a fuck.

I give a fuck that we've all been working for 2 weeks and Krabs has cases on them that make them out to be the best lynch candidate. Your approach to this is "might is right, listen to me guys, I have meta on Nacho". A closed minded attitude is a detriment but at least you've listed other people.

Jebus was my lazy lynch. Desp is suspect to Nacho. We have AA as town. None of these are strong like the Krabs cases, so we will currently not be switching over. There are CASES, more than one, against Krabs. If you don't have examples of Krabs pro-town behavior ITT, sit down.

And let me get this straight...Doctor C Niall DeMencha, Amethyst Actor, xMALCOLMx, GoodCopBadCop, Skullduggery, Ravenpaw are on the wagon. You say the wagon stinks and scum want Krabs lynched. Yet only 2 names from this wagon are who you find scum, and you don't even consider we (if scum) could be bussing?

This is malcolm

I am lynching krabs

i want an extension

I am making sense

We're supposed to unvote? L-4 isn't scary at all. How long have you been playing mafia because I'd really like to understand this confidence of yours.

[xMALCOLMx]

Oh shit Krabs really is town isn't he?

You being a scumfuck again Svet? Not wanting to lynch D1 like in Flavorless? Oh Em Gee so meta.

[xMALCOLMx]

[Kise]

You guys act like you've never been wrong about someone being town. Someone else asked and it hasn't been answered...

why is Krabs town?

There are theories going around as to what scum may or may not be doing in this situation. How about some facts? Like Krabs' contradictory patterns?

I really dislike this post.

Malcolm, you're using the point being debated as factual evidence that Krabs is scum, and look like you're setting up a precedent to refer to if Krab flips town.

Still haven't answered the bolded.

Nacho, If you start posting like you did in this game I will unvote instantly.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=24478

We really don't give a shit how you feel.

I can see Raven scum. I would've expected her to give up with the "answer my questions" by now. It seems like an easy way for her to appear active.

@Raven - It seriously feels like that's all you're doing. Fuck the questions. Try another way of scumhunting.

Kinda like how you were persistent here?

Fuck your wagon, fuck your case, fuck you fucked up logic for voting WITH one of your suspects.

Now again, why aren't you speculating people could be bussing? Why is it that one scumread totally negates you from scumreading someone else? I don't believe you don't see how closed minded and ignorant this is.

One of the two major obstacles to lynching Krab has been lifted, he's not a PR. Your previous justification for his softclaim was that he was a Cop or Doctor ("People read "might as well claim" as him having something to claim, and you only do as a power role." - Sven), so how do you explain why Krab felt he "might as well claim now" due to his "inevitable lynch" at five votes?

Svet is a scumfuck that's why. Now that I called him out as such he wants to have unhealthy words for me. Feathers have been ruffled. He's also dodging your question like a pro.

Fucking foreigners need to stop coming on my goddamn site, on MY GODDAMN AMERICAN SOIL with your bullshit

<3 AA9

Svet needs death

Mutt's claim doesn't mesh with what Krabs was trying to soft claim. Mutt/Krabs is town[/url]
Unvote?

Kise has been ordering people around

I have? You've got me mixed with Svet I think

I have Krabs as town because of my perception of the Krabs wagon vs. the Malcolm/GCBC wagons.

Useless. You don't need to wait around on the fence for others before voting me. Explain why you currently are.

[xMALCOLMx]

[Kise]

Yeah Monkey except I've been skeptical of Svet for a long time now. Some iso read you gave me...What about Goat's omgus after saying I'm killing him tonight? Have you looked at that? And why have you waited so long for other's approval before voting?

@Skull, it's possible when Svet won't tell why Krabs is town. He cops out by saying he believes scum are wagoning him, therefore Krabs is town with no chance of even being bussed. When someone turns a blind eye as he has and acts illogical, it's fishy. Krabs has his history of screw-ups, and that's not easy to forgive. In my years, I'm sure scum would vehemently try to turn a lynch around and off of their teammate. It's certainly something I would consider doing because most people - I'm guessing you as well - would assume no scum defends their buddy when they could just bus them.

I'm waiting for Nacho's input but I seriously think Svet is doing the same BS he did in Flavorless. He toyed with us when we tried to get a wagon going D1 on at least 2 players. He did a lot of shifty shit that made no sense like voting for a claimed cop and next thing we know the cop is executed. We didn't suspect him unfortunately. Here, he's not making sense with his [lack of a] view of Krabs, and is trying hard in his announcement that he will not participate in lynching the Krab's slot. I don't get how someone who just joined the site has this confidence much confidence that he tears down the thoughts the rest of us have.

At worst for me, Krabs is town and Svet has some pseudo credibility tomorrow for not being involved in the lynch. At best we get a scum flip off of Krabs and I'll push to lynch the next cocksucker tomorrow. Either way, Svet's stances are empty, and I've been saying for the longest that his methods of pushing/poking people has no follow up and no payoff.

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Here are some gems from scumSvet toying with the town's wagonmaking.

"I am saying that everyone should be a suspect, past games should not cloud your judgement but it should be a logic point of origin from where you start to untangle shit."...so this tunneling on Nacho isn't a cloud right?

Soft defends his buddy BBmolla

Svet asks Marangal to explain her case against BB...Here, she posts her case...Svet brushes it off. I'll keep reading to see if he ever revisits her case or continues to ignore BB.

Discredits Majiffy, who also goes after BB

Says he doesn't see how BB is scum

Deflects from BB by talking about people who voted similar to BB

"Zang is scummy"

Next page... Likes defending easy lynches, asks for 3 wagons, chooses to vote none of them after Majiffy gives him 3 names, Zang is town....lolnvm he's not town just easy

"Zang is bad couse I say so"

Read here and my exchanges with Svet on this page. He later reveals he votes Toasty with me merely for pressure, meaning he didn't bother to read.

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Not falling for the easy wagon.

VOTE: nore cain

2. Why did you call the Fuzzy wagon easy?

2. It has 8 votes.

This looks familiar.

What do you base that on Malcolm?

A slip is a slip

. Seems like you are defending in a softish way.

I have no problem with her vote, have you called out any votes on skull? Or was every vote on skull a good vote in your opinion?

1) Remember this for later.
2) More deflection.

I am implying that

people think they see "town power play" or "scum slips" way to much, and not reflecting over the fact that they are wrong alot

.

Cocky, contradicting or both?

I just want to chim in and say that in my experience with AA9 she has never made logic sense.

So I bet monkey is town here.

I guess I have to read monkey then.

I think monkeys anger or irritation outbursts seems genuine.

I am implying that people think they see "town power play" or "scum slips" way to much, and not reflecting over the fact that they are wrong alot.
I am implying that your reasoning have been subpar from what I have seen.

I dont know what breadcrumbing is.

Breadcrumbing means revealing some senstive information... lilke town PR's revealing their identification in other way. And Monkey was pushing for it. Check more here :http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Breadcrumb

The thing with monkey, He has tendency to do something like this.. I have seen him doing this before. But that's not what worried me more, he rather attacks me for my playstyle then the point i made on him. That is not cool.

Could you direct me to the post where he "pushes for it" in this thread. Also link me the meta you have as proof. His reaction seems reasonable, I would react worse.

I think you are town.

This looks familiar.

Okay, I skimmed his posts but you have to be more precise about what scum slips you are reffering to.

Skimmed, Sven.. don't ask me to spoon feed you.. you gotta put some effort if you want to understand.
i am not going to bid your requests, check out his claims? they're massive scum slips...

If you want me in the same boat as you, then I am afraid you have to make me understand.

You are talking about scum slips, I understand that as him revealing himself with hidden info. What does claims have to do with this game, has he claimed anything yet?

Or are you talking about that his game as a whole is similiar to his scum game? I thought you had specific moments that you thought looked similiar, and if so I need you to point them out.

No heart. Brushing off AA9's case. Not messing with Monkey. Doesn't look serious enough in finding out whether Monkey could be scum.

This looks familiar.

I am implying that people think they see "town power play" or "scum slips" way to much, and not reflecting over the fact that they are wrong alot.

Well this is rich coming from a player that just accused me of a slip.

The Ravenpaw thing is cool.

Don't like GCBC's vote on Monkey.

Still ok with pling sven.

vote:Raven

@Ferret-RK was a site that we used to pwn nooblet scum on, my vote on skull was just fucking around.

nope, that's 6 votes. We should hold off till we hear from her.

I dont remember accusing you of a slip, my reasons for voting you are mostly because I feel like it /Gut. You on the other hand jumping aboard he next wagon that gets traction is not very awesome and my vote will be on you for some time.

No, you voted Nero because a slip is a slip.

Ohhhh, I like that, welcome to the town club ravenpaw

This is where I am right now.

Not lynching today (town list)

AA9
Ravepaw
Thesquire

I want more pressure on AA and Jebus. AA is, like people have stated, not scum hunting and Jebus needs to know that slacking sint an option this game.

Why is ESQ a strong town read?

I have stated no such thing.

If ESQ is one of the three people you have no intention of lynching over 18 others...seems kinda strong to me.

Yeah, I can see that. But what bugged me about him is something I cant prove so I have decided to just give him time. He also seems somewhat active so i should be able to reasses down the road. I know its wierd but I am not reading him as town, well maybee abit but its the "will give this guy time" that is the main thing.

AA9 and raven are town thou.

Slick answer, but it still looks like backtracking.

@Sven

I guess I have to read monkey then.

What do you think of him then?

I think monkeys anger or irritation outbursts seems genuine.

Got some examples?
Also, a genuine angry reaction to Angel's insult means that he's scum.

Examples are at the tail end of this post.

Monkey being genuine in his outburts does not equal scum, it just equals him taking offense when someone talks down on his scum game. He can be town for that.

If it was rolefishing, it was very poorly and blatantly done, to the point that I do not find it a viable scumtell. I find those who would use that as an excuse to vote somewhat suspect.

In fact,

vote Squidward.

Have you played with Monkey before? If you do, you will might agree with me that he generally scum slips early in games... Scum monkey = obv role fishing , fake claims, and poor play.

if you don't know or don't believe, either check his meta or maybe the other older players might fill you in...

I don't scumslip or play poorly. I get lynched for poor reasons(like this one). Do you want to talk about your meta?

If it was rolefishing, it was very poorly and blatantly done, to the point that I do not find it a viable scumtell. I find those who would use that as an excuse to vote somewhat suspect.

In fact,

vote Squidward.

Have you played with Monkey before? If you do, you will might agree with me that he generally scum slips early in games... Scum monkey = obv role fishing , fake claims, and poor play.

if you don't know or don't believe, either check his meta or maybe the other older players might fill you in...

I don't scumslip or play poorly. I get lynched for poor reasons(like this one). Do you want to talk about your meta?

this is what about you that i am not liking it now. now your using meta as excuse to attack me instead of talking about original subject which is you role fishing early on day1, why are you trying to change the topic?

Because you think you know better than the actual person I was having the discussion with. I was not rolefishing, I thought someone was breadcrumbing. Do you know what that is? If someone posts in a post-restriction type of fashion, there is nothing anti-town about asking why they are posting that way.

My problem with ArcAngel is, that while she is not stupid by any means, she attacks people for stupid reasons and then gets super defensive when she is attacked. She was attacking my play in general, not just my scum play. She is acting like an expert on my meta when she is far from it.

My problem with ArcAngel is, that while she is not stupid by any means, she attacks people for stupid reasons and then gets super defensive when she is attacked. She was attacking my play in general, not just my scum play. She is acting like an expert on my meta when she is far from it.

Show me when did i stated my reason is your play style here?
I have explained why i think that your role fishing looks scummy to me, but all you did is using my play style as your defence.
Can you stop talking about my playstle monkey, and if you don't see it.. My play style is lot better than you think it is..

Stating my reasons are stupid doesn't make them stupid.. infact the more you pushing them back making me to believe that you may be scum again in usual fashion.

I WAS NOT ROLEFISHING! I was inquiring about a breadcrumb.

Your reasons are stupid. You are not even stating what I did correctly and you are not listening to any counter arguments. You can be smart sometimes but you can also be dense a lot of the time too.

Skull, I have completely ignored you and your wagon this game, if I were to do some ISOing on you and maybee pull up some of your past games what should I be looking for in your play that sudgests that you are town this game?

You couldn't have ignored her. Remember your deflection from earlier?
I don't believe for a second you can completely ignore someone and the votes on them as a serious scumhunter, 16 pages into the game.

can someone tell me why Krab Hydra is town/null? He pinged my radar pretty fucking hard

Krabs pinged as town for me as his vote onto my wagon felt the least scummy

. He showed his thought processes for it and I like that, so it gave me a town feel.

This is a wierd ass reason for calling someone town.

Also, you should interact more with me or I might loose faith in my read on you.

Opinions are like assholes. Remember that.

I have totally ignored ferret.

"Have to go first" implies that I want to lynch Jebus, and that it is my goal. That is wrong. I am

willing

to lynch him unless he gives me what I want.

I dont think I can focus in on ferret at the moment, still havent read skull.

You have the most posts in the game. How in the world do you ignore people this often when you're nearly on every page?

Hol on..

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Most of your points have like zero to do with why he could be scum.

No you're wrong...huehue that was easy.

I'm done talking to you. Feel free to answer my questions.

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[Kise]

I don't know if you're off on this with Svet but am interested in who you think is most likely to fit with Svet if your predictions are accurate?

[edited after viewing the daykill]
People I feel have a good chance of being scum right now:
Svet+Monkey for same team (similar defense/brush off as seen in Flavorless)
RatedR (one of my bottom end scumreads - Nacho last said he wasn't a fan of their posting)
Goat (I know it looks like I'm going after everyone voting me, but my iso will show I've been targeting these players far longer than that)
Mutley (I'd always be suspicious of people who are first on the scene during daykills and such, and he didn't add much other than saying he was confused)
Dr C (comes every now and then to help push a case ala Krabs, nothing outside of oneway sniping)

I can also tell you as of a few days ago, Nacho has ferret as town and Desp as scum. My reads have been inverse of those.

in particular "his posting here resembles how he was posting as scum!!!" stinks worse than mark henry's jock strap, it's all drawing comparisons between how he played that game and this game, ignoring the fact that

his posts will be similar because he's the same person

. it fails to attribute an actual scum motive for the most part other than "he is defending the popular wagon!!" which is a great scum-tell...for a baby. scum sometimes defend lynches, so do town, it doesn't mean anything unless you actually bother to analyze

why

they're doing that but there's none of that here

That's a bit heartbreaking. Meta for meta, I think my links are more thought out than the case on Nacho. If I were to die and show you I'm town, how much weight would my case hold for you then? I would really appreciate it if my suspects weren't lost in the shuffle because your opinion is that I was misguided.

And did you click the links to actually read them and not just view my tl;dr samples?

So this was a scum controlled kill, I can not see anything pointing in another direction.

So why kill gcbc?

Didn't you think they were scum too? They either meant to crosskill (knowing it was multiball), thought GCBC really was a dayvig or some other PR, or there's another unknown reason.

WIth the size of this game, I don't see a traitor being involved. With two scumteams known, what is your view on voting with suspects now? There should be no excuse not to vote for people being flat out scummy regardless of who else is on their wagon, as Shield could be going for Heyman guys and vice versa.

Can people stop saying krabs is their scum read. I've replaced him now so I am your scumread

Can you get to work?

Is it possible for us to lynch Doctor C

See above. He's not a busy body. I wouldn't rush the lynch but I'd vote.

Ummm... RATEDR just TOLD us that he hasn't read the thread. Scummy? Yes. Sven's case? Yes. Let's lynch RATEDR. Noone else sees the scumminness of xMALCOMx...

That wasn't a fucking case, how old are you?

no, we should be lynching Goat or Despo.

There's known 2 scumteams; likely 5 more scum at the least. List more suspects, please.

I'm on page 51, brb

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Well I knew this was multi ball before the kill, you cant have a scum team of 3 against 18 townies.

I know pretty much nothing about wrestling, true.

VOTE: Sven

Bit contradicting of him saying Heyman were neutrals. I guess it can work.

Vote Goat

First stone thrown.

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* Malcolm's wishy-washy opinion of GCBC:

You've been keeping note of my interaction with GCBC?

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ik

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Oh brilliant lol. Any reason why I am scummy. Sorry I haven't read through yet haven't quite got the time to read 40 pages so for tonight I can intermittently post answers etc! Should have probably let me replace squid and lynched krab!! Might have been best for the town. I suppose I should claim. I am VT

Kofi Kingston at that! Didnt even see that bit in the PM. Was wondering as I posted why I wasn't a WWE superstar.

I'm very surprised that you missed that you had a character.

I'm really really starting to think we should kill fuzzy

Yeah that would be nice.

in particular "his posting here resembles how he was posting as scum!!!" stinks worse than mark henry's jock strap, it's all drawing comparisons between how he played that game and this game, ignoring the fact that his posts will be similar because he's the same person. it fails to attribute an actual scum motive for the most part other than "he is defending the popular wagon!!" which is a great scum-tell...for a baby. scum sometimes defend lynches, so do town, it doesn't mean anything unless you actually bother to analyze why they're doing that but there's none of that here

Did you notice Sven's case on us at all?

I'm confused

How's that reread going?
Oh.

That would be my guess.

Or he's probably self-aligned...

So a 1-Shot Day-Vig I'm assuming? Dammit RoleCop gone. That sux man.

Hate posts like this. Scream scum to me.

Mourning kills is a scumtell.

Lazy scum mudthrowing post, backed up by lazy lurking scum #2.

Is it possible for us to lynch Doctor C

Sorry, don't want to succumb to your scumgenda.

Please read some of nachos town games if you feel unsure. or maybee you can find something and convince me that i am wrong.

Is this really the entire case on me?
That's nice, I guess.

Yeah, I think I can buy GCBC and Malcolm being Scumbuddies. I'm game.

When... GCBC wasn't scum... he was probably neutral...

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[Kise]

Or, more likely:

15 Town
3 Shield Mafia (Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins, Roman Reigns)
3 Heyman Mafia (Paul Heyman, Brock Lesnar, CM Punk)

zomg setup speculation

A commendable attempt to keep a lid on the identity of your team, though.

I laughed

That was Nacho earlier. I explained who Paul Heyman was and who would be partnered with him as 2nd mafia team members.

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@Malcolm: top three players you'd lynch?

That's not how I play. You and RatedR are lesser suspects, however.

By the way, @whoever said I was one-way sniping, 100% right. I'm convinced Krabs slot is scum and Mutt has done nothing to dissipate this. It's worrying how fast the wagon collapsed -people on it must not have believed in it. Will re-read.

Tunneling one player isn't effective as more than 1 person is scum on day 1. The Mut wagon stalled. We've pretty much gone past the initial deadline, so if it was gonna happen, it would've happened. I'm currently voting other options but whoever you believe in being scum, present your case and vote?

So you're saying that Shield and Heymans are kind of like Mafia and Werewolf? I guess we'll find out tonight...

hmm..didn't someone refer to this as a werewolf game before gcbc flipped?

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[Kise]

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@Malcolm: top three players you'd lynch?

Krabs replacement: #1+++
Goat
RatedR

Jesus Christ, stop being such a fucking baby, Goat.

He's not being a baby. He's using his lurking as a strategy.

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So you think his "ah Nero iz being mean and ruining the game for me." is scum ATEing?

Hell yes. Scum love blaming other people for their play being off.

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Could you give reasons with those reads, like more than a sentance.

First of all, I've played with Fegelein before in Newbie 1344 and the level of analysis here versus the level of analysis there is terrifying. He tends to tunnel a little bit as town, cares a lot about his reads and gets pretty confrontational with them, but here he hasn't really shown any level of engagement with the game and he hasn't cared about his reads at all. His chainsaw defense of you was ridiculously over the top and fake as shit, and his replace out of "man this hydra sucks my partner ditched me" seems more like scum being left out to dry by his hydra partner as opposed to someone really being THAT frustrated that he had to play alone. Also, there's a small subtle hydra-scum tell in that he was angry that his partner didn't post (and act town) as opposed to "my partner was never there", but that's a new one.

I hate Goat giving excuses for his lurking. His immediate response to Nero suspecting him was "I actually like you, can you pull your head out of vendettaland?" when Nero didn't really have any sort of vendetta at all against him. It read like an attempt to buddy the hell out of him so he would take his vote off, and was not a townie response at all. His interactions with Nero are suck because he discredits the hell out of Nero every second he defends himself and yet never calls him scum, his vote on us sucks because it comes out of nowhere after Kise says we should kill him, his vote on Nero is literally spite and nothing more, and then he tries to BLAME HIS TUNNELING ON NERO.
No.

RatedR is Vifam's posting, which shouldn't need explaining, Grazie's dancing around Krabs lynch was scummy as all hell and parading the GCBC read around like it makes him obvious town is scum proud they pegged the other team. Additionally, this flavor speculation is absolutely horrible.

That said, it doesn't explain why they'd get GoodCopBadCop, which was kind of obvious Mafia from the beginning, so I guess maybe it was a vig from Town and the flavor is just that The Shield kills everyone in this game...? Sorry, flavor-speculation, I'm just interested in it, I can't wait for the OP to reveal the roles at the end.

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Mutley, try to describe thoughts as best you can, not just ten words.
Think of how hard I have been defending you/krabs.

It's hard to replace in, so I am trying to not focus too much on what happened before. Krabs did me no favours and has given too many wrong impressions. I realy didn't like ferret lovers post after the day kill and it screamed scum to me. My biggest scum read so I want to move him onto 2 votes equal at the top.

please don't make me write a case on this though
this should be obvious as hell

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I really want you to explain whats scummy in that post thou couse I dont see it, I can sorta see where you are going but its far from being "obvious as hell", and that wording, to me who dont see the super scummy in the post, continues to indicate that you are trying to paint mutley badly.

He's trying to push everything that happened in the past under the rug and is pushing easy lynch but probably town ferretlover for "his reaction after the daykill". That's opportunistic as all hell while showing him being self-conscious about how scummy Krabs was.

Thirdly, I am not you, my reads change, it might seem like i have tunneled on you and will never stop but I want you to know that I would be thrilled to find towny post of yours, i like parts of the cases you had, will get back on that, but I donyt understand why it has taken so long.

I'm not worried about you tunneling on me. I play at my own pace. Sometimes that translates into aggression, sometimes it doesn't.

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I am pretty sure most people read mutleys post as a joke, he probably has reads. He just made a bad joke with regards to timing.

Wait, why did you read that post as a joke?

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How is ferret an easy lynch? Easy lynch woul be goat. And I dont see how he is pushing everything under the rug, THIS SLOT IS TOWN X% OF THE TIME, while i understand what you mean you cant appraoch people like this. Everything he does will either be null or scummy because you make it fit. WHat I see is that, yes you have a point, it might be excusing "obv scumming" but it might also be sincere and comking from town. You completely disregard that and THAT is scummy and or antitown.

Ferret is an easy lynch because he's a noob and doesn't post very long sentences, often says things that are easily refuted. Goat is a slightly more difficult lynch because he posts more, is more articulate, is more aggressive. Your accusation that I am tunneling is inaccurate. I am posting his scum perspective, but that doesn't mean that my thoughts are completely limited in scope to him being scum scum scum. His posting could be sincere. I doubt it.

Okay, I can understand that. But can you understand my problems with you? Or atleast know what they are and talk me through what I am missing?

I know you have a problem with my lack of aggression. I don't know what you are missing. I don't care what you are missing. If you want a substantial defense, you need to make a substantial attack, and I don't think you've really done anything like that this entire game. #692 was the closest to what I'd call a substantial attack, but that was mostly semantics.

That should clear it up.

I think that you're reading too much into this.

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[Kise]

First of all, I've played with Fegelein before in Newbie 1344 and the level of analysis here versus the level of analysis there is terrifying.

Makes sense why he didn't want to reveal he was Fegelein now.

Ferret might be an easy lynch, but I am saying that I think goat would have been easier. My thoughts was also in regards to the number of votes that both has, the heat on goat has been more as of late than the heat on ferret, so if mutley wanted an easy lynch, or a place to just dump his vote he should have gone to goat imo.

1) Goat is playing on cruise control. He should not be excused and that's a dangerous mistake for any of us to pardon.
2) What if Mutley doesn't want to bus Goat? Consider people may be on the same team.

I have Raven as town but just to be sure, I don't see her as Heyman aligned due to the following-->

I can see Raven scum. I would've expected her to give up with the "answer my questions" by now. It seems like an easy way for her to appear active.

@Raven - It seriously feels like that's all you're doing. Fuck the questions. Try another way of scumhunting.

Kinda like how you were persistent here?

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Ferret, you've played at :sj:? You've made a couple Werewolf references.

Aha, so it was ferret!

....

What's the format over there - just werewolf? Both werewolf and mafia multiball? I was confused earlier when he referred to this as werewolf as I've only played mafia AND werewolf, hence why I thought he may have slipped that this was multiball.

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[Kise]

Can you guys stop making assumptions? That goes for all of you.

@Goat, you are confusing "biggest criticism" with "

one

of the things I find scummy about this player".
How do you feel you have helped progress the game over the past 2 weeks?

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I like that...as of this past Friday...you've actually stated cases for why people are scum, instead of just criticizing others. But I really wanted to bold the above. You know...in case I end up dead.

Why? Do you assume that as scum we would nightkill you?

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[Kise]

Sorry. I should have mentioned this earlier.

V/LA this weekend

Been away from the house the last few days. I'll see where I left off.

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I'm going to go back to my strongest scum read. Yes, I realize that this puts me farther out front as the leading wagon. Don't much care...gonna do what I think is the right play.

This is so survivalistic, so town, so amazing!
Wow, I don't see how anyone can vote Goat now.

...is that what you expected to hear? What's the point of the second sentence?

i like how malcolm went quiet once the wagpn dropped and that he has since then done zilch.

I think I went quiet when I logged out and became a real person again.

That being said, unvote, vote Mutley, because I'm not suicidal.

What happened to you being the hero and taking me out once and for all?

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Probably just going to kill Goat tonight. Or tomorrow.

Vote: Mutley

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Probably just going to kill Goat tonight. Or tomorrow.

Vote: Mutley

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Mutley, do you have any other reads? I'd bet a lot of unspeakable things in a hypothetical world on ferret being town.

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Like... a Goat scumread? wink wink

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Yer goat said he would vote me then did. So goat. also fuzzy. Darthe too.

Vote Goat with us and you won't have to be deadline lynched?

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How would you propose I do that last bit? I don't suppose you could be talked into killing yourself tonight?

By making a case and actually trying to get me lynched instead of just going "I'm going to vote my heart. Vote: Malcolm" and then doing approximately nothing.

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Unvote, Vote: The Goat

Then by all means, be prepared to deal with Skull when I flip town. Either do it or shut up about it, mkay?

I'm not afraid of Skull. I'm also trying to figure out whether you're townish or not for your ridiculous reaction to my threats, but I'm not making much progress.

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Vote Muttley

With a day to go, on my top scumread. This puts him at L-2.

Two days. What do you think of Goat?

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You guys act like you've never been wrong about someone being town. Someone else asked and it hasn't been answered...why is Krabs town?

There are theories going around as to what scum may or may not be doing in this situation. How about some facts? Like Krabs' contradictory patterns?

I really dislike this post.

Malcolm, you're using the point being debated as factual evidence that Krabs is scum, and look like you're setting up a precedent to refer to if Krab flips town.

Malcolm, you have not once, not twice, but three times, alluded to, or flat-out stated..that you're killing me tonight.

I like that...as of this past Friday...you've actually stated cases for why people are scum, instead of just criticizing others. But I really wanted to bold the above. You know...in case I end up dead.

I like that...as of this past Friday...you've actually stated cases for why people are scum, instead of just criticizing others. But I really wanted to bold the above. You know...in case I end up dead.

Why? Do you assume that as scum we would nightkill you?

*blank stare*

No. It's just that you keep saying that you're going to kill me. It makes me uneasy.

I really didn't like this post, however. If you're going to rolefish with a Goat, try using something bright and shiny, like a tin can.

This is a very weak case.

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Hypocrisy, thy name is Malcolm. You're aware that you spent a huge chunk of D1 doing nothing other than criticizing others, right?

That's not how I'm remembering it. That's not what's happening now.

Oh. Well, okay then. I'll dismiss you promising everyone that you'll kill me as childishness. Better now?

Is that better for you? Will it reassure you as you're singing your sad song from the grave?

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Vote: The Esquire

who seem to be people's biggest candidates for a lynch today,

This caught my eye, is fake. I'm going to do another reread into Esquire in a moment but I've had a sort of scummy read on him for most of the game and I'd love to dive deeper.

I'm putting the NL on him.

Mutley's town as shit, not going to lynch him. I'm not all that concerned about no lynching when the scumteams are hunting each other; it's a lot better than lynching town.

Where is Malcolm's kill? Maybe it never existed because he's lying out his teeth.

I never claimed Vigilante. I was talking shit about killing him during the night because his response was weird as shit, as I said before.

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And can you go into more detail about this?

In multiball, scumteams have to decide whether the town or scum would be a bigger threat, so they will either use their nightkill hitting scum so they don't have to worry about being killed during the night, or they will use their nightkill to hit town so they don't get lynched. Shield hitting GCBC means that they aren't concerned about the town at that moment (I don't think they were making themselves enough of a threat to justify being killed), but what that also does is put the Heyman team behind early since now we can look for associations. So now Heyman knows that the other team is good enough to find them, which means that they are a threat during the day AND at night. So that combined with the "they shot one of us, we need to shoot one of them" mentality, I figured that other scumteam was probably going for the vig shot so I didn't really care if we no lynched or not. It's not optimal, but it's definitely better than lynching a townread.

What do you see in Mutley that Kise obviously doesn't?

Kise hasn't had a chance to read end of day shenanigans, but I'm going to summarize them for him in a minute. I think that his end of day meltdown was genuine as fuck; the advocating for his own lynch and still not letting go of ferret read showed that he really didn't care about surviving and, based on his posting before that point, I don't think it's something he could fake and pull off as scum.

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dude's still scum

peta
kise is not here right now so i'm gonna pretend you're my hydra partner

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Alright, Malcolm, so your whole deal about shooting Goat was basically just a long, complicated reaction test? And what were your findings? It sounds like you're pretty confident that you caught Scum, but if that's the case, why isn't your vote on Goat?

I'm not really so confident I caught Goat.

Esquire, you just ignored the hell out of me.

Vote: Fuzzyman

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My "lynch all liars" mindset is starting to kick in.

I was your IC. I taught you better than this.

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and hell yeah you were

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I'm going to say that I understand the case against me, but it is the way that I think IRL too. My mind seems to go all over the place sometimes, and I seem to forget things.

Now is it scummy to be honest?

No.

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Nacho, I'm not sure if I can buy your reason for thinking Mutley is town. You know that the Survival tell, or lack of it, is one of my favorite in determining alignment but I'm thinking that the way he tried to pull it off was a means to try and get people off his back. I'm not sold on the genuineness of that entire spiel.

If Mutley could pull off a gambit like that as scum, he wouldn't be so shitty at keeping people from voting him.

I think maybe you're giving yourself a little too much credit.

(joke)

Krab is ridiculously scummy but Mutley is Town as shit...even though they're occupying the same slot. How does that work? Why such a drastic change in opinion? I don't see what Mutley has done to atone for Krab's scummy behavior.

You don't; I do.

Fun fact: the "Lynch all liars" motto is actually a shortened version of "Lynch all liars but Ms Marangal because she will lie as either alignment"

My main account is Ravenpaw.

Nacho/Kise, care to give mom your thoughts on Ferret?

I think he's town too but I want to see who hops on the easy wagon.

Mutley's Meta:

Definitely hard to read.

Just found out Mutley is African so the English is a second/third language.

I liked that you looked into his meta. Malcolm will stand united with his brothers, especially when they are being voted for their ethnicity.

And yet, you were confident enough that Goat was Scum to push for his lynch over Mutley's at the end of day one. Where did that confidence go?

There was confidence in mutley town, not Goat scum. Goat scum was a kise-ordered lynch that I liked yesterday. I'm not so sure I like it today, so I'm giving him room.

Me mutleyddmc the guy they say is from jamaica but really I am from africa, Kofi kingston

You said you were African. So now you're saying that you were lying?

If this is coming from scum, I'll really kill Goat.

Yet you're voting xMalcolmx. And I don't see how this works, that because Goat should be voting Malcolm, the latter is scummier than the former. Looks opportunistic to me, having failed to push a viable case on Malcolm before. This kind of singular focus with shaky reasoning reminds me of scum-MonkeyMan576.

Where is your catchup post? Did I miss it?

no one else finds this strange? Not even Goat or Despo replaced out and I argued with them more.

He replaced out because he was bored.

the last > i've listed is pretty selfish and anti-town, sadly.

Probably not scum though.

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2. zachattack * Darthe *
5. Squidward ** penguin_alien
12. Fuzzyman **
18. TheEsquire *
19. The Goat

Hmm.

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First and foremost, two votes on two strong town players this game. I would also like to note before I get into this that Ferret knows how to play mafia, and is not new to the game despite being new to site. This is important to note because he is making clearly basic mistakes and seems to be playing up his newness and experience simultaneously.

Why do you think he is attacking two strong town players, and why do you think those two players are town?

Here we see something not overtly scummy. However, it is notable because this is a player setting themselves up as a median.

I tell people to stop being stupid when they're being stupid regardless of my alignment. What is ferret doing as scum?

Random discusson about a breadcrumb and is arguing that early reveals are pro-town because of their effect on wigggle room? How did this slide?

Different mindset; that doesn't mean scum. Unless you think that he's experienced scum who is confident that he can change the opinion of the site meta while maintaining the image of the innocent newbie, it's not that good of a tell; it's just wrong. Early reveals are good in formats where plurality lynch rules and majority doesn't always go through because scum always like to claim near the end of the day so they can grab a few panic unvotes and not be in fear of being counterclaimed.

See now, this is why I called that earlier thing bullshanks (refer to {1}), because he has yet to vote anyone else and voted her on the policy of...pretty much nothing by his own admission?.. and then he is being submissive towards her.

I sort of agree with the submissive part, but that's distinctly a newscum scumtell and inconsistent with the rest of your case.

And then he votes Goat. It's been a while here, but pressure is off him and goat is getting traction so this is a vote "for being drunk". That is four throwaways in a row, not somethng I feel happens from townies, especially not ones who seem so involved in the game. Why is this person not casing or advocating anyone? Why does he not have reads? Why is he playing an erratic game? To avoid looking too false. That is literally the only reason that I can come up with that makes any sense, because for someone who "can't reply to the big pile of questions/casing/etc" made against him he is remarkably active.. and unfocused.

Just because you don't understand him doesn't mean that an explanation exists. I've never seen someone with a "I don't know what he's saying, thus scum" case actually hit scum.

Defending? Before you voted him for being drunk, then you said he appeared genuinely drunk (forgot to quote guys, sorry), now you're defending him for drunkenness because the act of intoxication somehow makes someones statements less likely to reflect their alignment in your eyes? This is again contrary with various things ferret stated before regarding his views on playrs, playstyle, scumminess, and the like. It doesn't add up at all for a player who is not inexperienced.

OK. So you think that this inconsistent thought process is coming from him because he's pretending to be bad? But, why play like that anyways? Why not just play well as scum?

In summation, this is why Ferret stuck out to me. He is trying to get by, but not helping town. While others are doing so as well his reads to me as the most false and manipulative example.

I see so much "this is bad" but not enough "this is scum". You haven't been helping town worth shit and now you're flying after an easy target.

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The "he's really super experienced" argument is also bad because this isn't his first and only game. So he's forced to dumb down his play in every game for the sake of this one game? No.

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Vote: Darthe

I think the daykiller is scum.

Unvote:
Vote: Mutleyddc

Well, yeah. It's established in the opening post that the SHIELD are the bad guys, and the flavor text of all the daykills says SHIELD did it :/

After you say something like this, you're supposed to post an observation to make your post somewhat useful.

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mutley they weren't framing you
vote darthe with me

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Not gonna be back until tomortow.

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Knockoff

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@ Nacho how confident are you in mutleytown? Who would you vote if it wasn't Darthe? I don't want to do that either.

VERY confident in mutleytown. I pretty much literally cannot vote him because he is too town. I could vote penguin. I could probably still vote Goat, although I'm unsure in that. Esquire is a fantastic lynch as well.

hat Monkey did was on d1 speculate why the Shield killed GoodCopBadCop (he claims he was also speculating who) as proved by the following post

I think that the paranoid way he's handling his lynch is very town.

It seemed to me like simple bad play to attack players who are (to me at least, and the general consensus so far as I can tell) town and I would consider once regular but... so many separate irregular votes with no purpose (admittedly) strike me as someone who overstepped and recognized it in trying to blend early game.

Yeah it seems like bad play in either alignment. I don't think Ferret's thought process as scum involves damage control; I think it involves fear and avoiding the thread.

Setting himself up as a mediator..? Did you not read the post?

Why?

I would disagree. Submissiveness happens anytime the individual doesn't have a ready plan to charge in another direction, so to speak or would rather avoid confrontation. It fits his play, which isn't simply bad play but has the distinct ring of care associated with scum in my opinion.

Do you know who has this mindset? Newscum scum. Explain the rest; I don't want you to devolve into gut everytime I ask you to explain something.

This one isn't arguable, sorry. Breadcrumbing: good. False breadcrumbing: okay in the right situation. Seeing someone elses breadcrumb: good for accountability. Announcing someone elses breadcrumb on thread: bad. I recognize that this was a hypothetical, hence I didn't continuously argue it, but there is no advantage gained by pointing out a breadcrumb that would not better serve after the individual claims.

I'm saying different site metas are different and the observation was stupid as hell in this format but not scummy.

My general notion of town play is that people play less cautiously as town because their lives are worth less than those are as scum. In essence, if you want to fake being town you can't play a perfect game. People wonder why you aren't being NK'd. People use PR's on you to be sure you aren't awesome scum. People just don't trust an overly done performance and will sense it being off. Thus, I caught onto this (initially gut and pretty confirmed to me by what I found in my casework) because it seemed too much so in the opposite direction, someone who was trying to look bad enough to skirt, but not be killed.

I am rarely caught out for being "too involved". I occasionally am "too involved" as either alignment due to the makeup of the game.

If this is an easy target then why are you so for him? Ferret is being successful and I am aiding the town to the best of my ability by finding these sorts of inconsistencies. What going would I be if I spread myself thin on people who didn't stick out to me as much?

You'd also be more useful because you'd have reads that didn't suck.

Nacho where are you?

Drinking my sorrows away.

Darthe
penguin
fuzzyman
esquire
goat
jebus
monkey
arcangel9
desperado
petapan
ferret
ravenpaw
amethyst actor
mac

I don't agree with leaving people off the list btw, it is selfish and short sighted. You would be better to include them so that people have to give full lists, scum has less wiggle room and more room for error, and then the lists have more purpose.

I say that people should add in everyone (save themselves). I am correct in saying that those three are the only ones left off aren't I?

he's not being leashed so that doesn't matter?

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Ooh now I get it (had to recall my halfway asleep brain from last night). I wrote that to compare how my predecessor played in my eyes with the rest of you.

Please kill this so the game isn't so damn boring.

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yeah.
i don't see how he could find three people you left off and make a deal out of it but somehow miss goat

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shit shit shit. Mastin is in a scum slot. oh shit. I should have asked someone else to replace in first so they'd get the scum slot. fuck this shit.

nope syryana got it but i'm gonna let him live a while

so I'm looking forward to him proving me wrong.

let's do that thing where we all lynch scum together and save syryana for last because i feel bad he's scum
pleaassse

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darthe
syryana
rubicon
goat
penguin

that's my kill list

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4. Desperado
19. The Goat
12. Sry
1. jebus
2. Darthe

swag malcolm x
i'll explain mine in the morn

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Anyone has interesting bulletpoints i can know off before i skim the thread when I have more time? Would be cool, maybe like relevant info i see that fucking shield is killing people at night and days wtf rollins! (I actually was rollins in WWE attitude 2.0, fuck that guy)

are you not planning on reading the thread, then?

Alright, guys. Talk to me, here. Mac looks like scum. Syryana looks like scum, and that's a common read between all four of us. Goat looks like scum, and that's ANOTHER common scumread we all have. Talk to me about Jebus/pidgey; I'm interested in hearing town/scum thoughts on him, and currently think scum.

the second list was me copy-pasting nero's top 5

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This looks like town, like, seriously seriously town. I haven't read the game yet, obv, but this does not seem like a scum-Darthe. (Granted, I've only seen town-Darthe so I don't know what his scumplay actually is, but it certainly looks town. )

Check out my post #2020 for Darthe's big wallpost on an easy target. You and I love to engage ourselves with players that are weaker than ourselves, scumDarthe set himself to engage a weaker player. Now this would be fine if he had any other scumreads until that point, but he literally hadn't done jack or shit.

Seriously, guys. Listen to Mastin meta. His reads are followed quickly? They're wrong.
His reads are ignored totally? He's dead on the money.

My reads are being ignored totally, and thus, I'm dead on the money.

I completely agree with you. But Darthe-scum is easy to lynch and sitting right in front of us.

Malcolm i will reread but no every single line and not until at least friday.

ok that's good enough for me

This is like the most retarded thing you have said all game nero. Would you rather I be objective or subjective about my predecessor? It has little to do with the slot, more to do with my analysis of play. Unless you're actually asking me to give false reads?

Mastin, how much do you care about being "objective" with your predecessor?
None at all, right?
The fact that being objective about a predecessor is even an ISSUE and the fact that he's missing the obvious "your opinion of your predecessor doesn't matter worth SHIT" is double-plus good for why Darthe needs to die instantly.

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V/LA until Monday

pls lynch darthe

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Vote: Desperado

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Vote: Desperado

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Vote: mastin2

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Vote: Mac

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Vote: Syryana

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if we could quicklynch him before shield gets their kill in, that would be great

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Why syry, why not PerigrineV?

why are you stalling?

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i'm happy to kill penguin tomorrow but we should probably lynch syryana somewhat quickly

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Cause i don't get the case.

it's a meta read. syryana and i hydra together so i know him decently well blah blah blah
and if you quicklynch him, shield doesn't get a kill.
so please hurry up.

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I'm cool with a Syrr lynch,

if you're cool with it, vote it.

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So you're admitting we're just pulling a name out of a hat?

that's not what we're doing at all
it's called protown speedlynching

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monkey stay online

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Unvote

Vote: Skullduggery

Self-voting is anti-town and a little scummy.

"Antitown and a little scummy" is a shit reason to hop on a wagon and is waffling on a reason for voting. If you're going to vote someone for being antitown, you vote them for being antitown, not all this halfway shit.

Malcolm, there are a lot of players right now with a lot worse reasons for their votes. I'm comfortable with mine on Skullduggery until she gives a better reason for her self-vote.

When I questioned him on his vote, his response was "other people have worse reasons". That shows he's trying to stay townier than a general crowd and doesn't actually have any conviction in where he's voting, which is a strong scum tell.

Yeah, I have seen that. I've even done it myself in other games as town. And I've even seen town use appeals to emotion and lurk. That doesn't change the fact that scum, especially newbie scum, is more likely to do these things than town.

meaning that his vote on skull is also hypocrisy because he's done the same thing before as town and yet he's jumping at it like it's a candy vote

You're pretty determined to avoid explaining how your actions have been pro-town, eh? Skull, when you self-vote, you are either scum or you are voting for someone you know to be town, which is nearly as bad as being scum. You claim that you did it to "create discussion", but what that really means is that you created something for people to call you out on, so that you could lash back at them, painting them as scummy for questioning you. Not good play at all.

keep in mind that this is something he's done before

I like the thinking going into the Ravenpaw wagon, but my main problem with it is that it seems like there could easily be scum on it, and probably not bussing either. Actually, one thing I noticed:

"I would join the wagon but there might be scum on it."

I read the playerlist

I saw Nachomamma8

I voted

What's wrong with a Monkey/AA9 lynch?

is voting me for being me
meanwhile he knows how to read arc by now and knows she's town

You don't want a no-lynch
Yet you single-vote someone with a day left?

VOTE: ferretlover
All self-voters should die.

Votes someone for self-voting, which is oopportunistic as fuck.

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Although if Syryana isn't lynched by the time I jump online, we shouldn't quicklynch. This is literally our one shot at catching Shield off guard, and if we let this go until tomorrow, that chance will be lost.

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Mechanics with scumteam were not at all what I expected; it's a shame that our awesome quicklynch on Syryana was all for naught.
I agree that kills were strange everywhere. Had fun trolling Goat.

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Mechanics with scumteam were not at all what I expected; it's a shame that our awesome quicklynch on Syryana was all for naught.
I agree that kills were strange everywhere. Had fun trolling Goat.

In a good or bad way re: mechanics?

In a good way, definitely.