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VOTE: Skulduggery

Get back in the closet, skeleton.

~Krabs

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If it was rolefishing, it was very poorly and blatantly done, to the point that I do not find it a viable scumtell. I find those who would use that as an excuse to vote somewhat suspect.

In fact,

vote Squidward.

This post was horrific. It's basically you saying "I'm not scummy for doing it, you're scummy for accusing me!". The vote just makes things worse, Squid's putting a little pressure on you and you go ballistic.

The self-vote was odd from Skulduggery, not scummy, but just odd. A null tell to me. I'd rather vote a scummy person than a null person.

UNVOTE: Skulduggery
VOTE: The Goat

btw guize, i am from aces and eights, my name is bully ray.

~Krabs

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EBWOP: "It's not scummy that he did it, you're scummy for voting him!"
~Krabs

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Looking at ArcAngel's posts, I think she's Town, mainly for the reason that I don't get any scummy vibes from her. If anyone else does, feel free to present them to me.

I have to say though, that "Nero let something from his QT slip" reasoning is really interesting, although I'm on the fence, it could be scum contrived, it could be scumhunting. I'm probably going to analyse their play and look on at their further play in this game before I come to a conclusion.

~Krabs

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Usually I give people that have done both scummy and town things the null read, while I tend to put people that haven't done anything scummy as Leaning Town, which is basically my way of a weak Town read.
~Krabs

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Also, just to let it out there. If someone has guilty on someone, dont out it at the start of a day, wait awhile. If you out early we miss the natural flow of that player for that day.

Nobody's going to remember it if you post it now, post it again Day 2 so people know.
~Krabs

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Have you seen scum Arc?

It's awkward to the point you want to cringe

You do realise she might be turning into a better player though?
~Krabs

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I do agree with the viewpoint though about the Skulduggery bandwagon though, it's a good way to weed out opportunistic scum. We could try some mousetraps manoeuvres to bait them out, and hopefully we'll hit scum if we do it correctly (unless it's town playing poorly)

~Krabs

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I do agree with the viewpoint though about the Skulduggery bandwagon though, it's a good way to weed out opportunistic scum. We could try some mousetraps manoeuvres to bait them out, and hopefully we'll hit scum if we do it correctly (unless it's town playing poorly)

~Krabs

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Thinking about it, I think we do need more pressure on RavenPaw tbh. It comes across as a shitty way to scumhunt at best, and at worst, it's scum trying to manipulate. Although Nero's play hasn't come off as remarkably Town to me. Doesn't change my read on The Goat though, but I feel RATEDR has enlightened me to join his vote.

UNVOTE: The Goat
VOTE: RavenPaw

~Krabs

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Just to let you know, my other half will sign his posts with ~Plankton.
~Krabs

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oh lol

I just derped around and accidentally clicked RavenPaw's ISO button, and she has vote/unvote FOUR TIMES. I think that alone is enough of a reason to vote for her.

UNVOTE
VOTE: RAVENPAW

So...you've now vote/unvoted THREE TIMES. Is that enough for me to vote you? Why is four worse than three? How is this even close to an acceptable scumtell?

I'm pretty sure four is a bigger number than three. Want me to double-check?

It's a null tell that leans scum to me, it goes to show indecisiveness, which is more anti-town than scummy really.

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Forgot to sign: ~Krabs

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@Krab

I do agree with the viewpoint though about the Skulduggery bandwagon though, it's a good way to weed out opportunistic scum. We could try some mousetraps manoeuvres to bait them out, and hopefully we'll hit scum if we do it correctly (unless it's town playing poorly)

I can't tell if you're being serious with this...

Anyway, why would opportunistic scum vote Skull? I highly doubt any scum would expect Skull to get lynched. The skull waggon itself has provided scum with easy targets. They can just pick someone on the waggon and label them opportunistic scum.

What do you think?

Thinking about it, I think we do need more pressure on RavenPaw tbh. It comes across as a shitty way to scumhunt at best, and at worst, it's scum trying to manipulate. Although Nero's play hasn't come off as remarkably Town to me. Doesn't change my read on The Goat though, but I feel RATEDR has enlightened me to join his vote.

Yeah, don't mention your vote is for pressure unless you don't want there to be any pressure.

How much experience do you have?

First point: I understand that, but if scum can successfully pull off a blitzkrieg lynch, it benefits them greatly. It might have been an attempt to blitzkrieg lynch, but we're in WIFOM here. Also, scum tend to hang in the middle zone of lynches (butter zone), and therefore it helps us identify anyone really hasty on wagons, like Raven.

Second Point: A silly mistake on my behalf. I wanted to say more attention.

~Krabs

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At this moment in time, I feel that Svenskt has established himself as a Town read of mine.
~Krabs.

I'll look at the most recent events in more detail now.

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Svenskt, I assume everyone else reads as Null to you?
~Krabs

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Notes made from when I was asleep:
FuDuzn, you might have read Marangal well that game, but you might not this time.
TheEsquire made some votecount bookmark in the thread, it comes across as an attempt to act Town, without really contributing too much.
Jebus's post seems more Town to me, scum would generally be immersed to contribute and make an impression early on. I get why Sven wants to vote him though.
MonkeyMan's vote seemed like a desperate attempt to bandwagon.
Ravenpaw seems to be in hyper defensive mode, desperately trying to counter every point against her. To her defence, I've had situations like that in past games. Also, "I kind of was hoping I’d get a scum PM for this game, twasn’t to be though, sadly." is REALLY suspect imo. Town shouldn't have to drill it into our heads.
Personally have a null read on Esquire, the scum part is based on gut though.
Raven's #237 seems condescending, which can either be anti-town, or very minor OMGUS.
Svenskt seems to be actively scumhunting extremely well, his votes are a little sporadic though, probably part of his technique.
Doctor, we're out of RVS I believe.
#260 is a pretty good defence from Raven to begin with, shame you went back into defensive mode straight after.
AA needs to scumhunt more from what I can see, I agree with others on that matter.
#266: No.
Nero Cain's defence for putting Skul at L-3 is poor. You would have contributed to their death if they got hammered.

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As long as you're confident, go for it.

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I think you're overreacting to the way I stated "If you think I'm clean, then OK"
~Krabs

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Just to clarify GCBC, it wasn't really so much a defence of furret, I just thought the reasoning against furret was poor.
~Krabs

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Regarding my contradiction, I felt I could come to a valid conclusion with my vote by just analysing the posts that I had seen harder. As for your further play, it's been better, but it still gives me a scummy taste.

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Also, AA, please sign your posts so I know who's posting
Both posts made by ~Krabs.

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Regarding my contradiction, I felt I could come to a valid conclusion with my vote by just analysing the posts that I had seen harder. As for your further play, it's been better, but it still gives me a scummy taste.

So why specifically mention that you'd need to look at my further play to make a conclusion? Why not just say "I'm probably going to analyse their play before I come to a conclusion"?
And my play's been better... but is still scummy? How does that work exactly?
Also Krabs you have now avoided two of my questions directed at you, can you answer them please? Heck I'll quote them right here so you don't even have to go iso'ing:

We could try some mousetraps manoeuvres to bait them out, and hopefully we'll hit scum if we do it correctly (unless it's town playing poorly)

~Krabs

Doesn’t explicitly saying this make it immediately useless?

Raven's #237 seems condescending, which can either be anti-town, or very minor OMGUS.

Can you clarify the condescension please?

First point: Shhh. I wanted to try and let people forget it. Then I could act like an easy target and see who pushed my wagon so much.

Second point: You treated his vote as if it was worthless, and you also seemed quite startled.
~Krabs

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@Raven:
1: The point of me keeping it quiet is so I can bait people pushing for an easy lynch. Then I can spring the trap by quoting that post. Also, I would be acting like an easy target, if you didn't constantly bring it up!

2: I didn't really view it as condescending at the time because RatedR was a town read of mine. Also, "something is definitely up seems startled"

First point: Because I didn't think I'd come to a conclusion by just analysing, but I actually did, surprisingly enough.

Second Point: It's turning more into a mixed bag of play, instead of pure-scum play.

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^~Krabs

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Personally, my 4 targets of the day would be Ravenpaw (reasons listed above), Doctor whatever (pathetic contributions, from a hydra that's disgraceful), Amethyst (hasn't been scumhunting, and then calls me opportunistic without expanding on it at all), and Nero Cain (The meta comment from Monkey was really interesting, and Nero's reasoning for jumping on the Skull wagon was poor)
~Krabs

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I'd equate Jebus's play as sloppy, and anti-town, but not necessarily scummy as such, which is why he's not a suspect of mine. I can still understand why you guys are voting him though, we do need him to contribute somehow.
~Krabs

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Well GCBC has found himself a place in my scum reads because of this.
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@ferretlover: There's plenty of questions waiting for you. Scavenge through the thread.

@Doctor: What are your reads?

~Krabs (I nearly screwed up and put my forum name in the signature there)

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Jebus has been posting in thread, while you haven't. His posting style also doesn't seem manufactured.
Also, explain your other thoughts.
~Krabs

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Claiming neutral, then demanding that a Vigi goes on one of the most pro-town players in the game at this moment in time?
Not to mention your flip-flopping makes me think Mitt Romney is part of your hydra.
I don't bye your claim one bit, and even if you are a neutral, why would you actively say you want a Vigi to kill what many players believe to be one of the most pro-town players at this point. Neutral or not, it seems you may be detrimental to our success.

UNVOTE: Ravenpaw
VOTE: GCBC

~Krabs

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Whoa, I misinterpreted the Neutral claim badly lmao.

I still think that GCBC is acting passive-aggressive though.

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Of course I'm going to react if someone outright fucking demands that the Vigi goes on Sven (the most pro-town player here IMO). Also, I see that "reaction test" as an easy way out of GCBC, and by god, I honestly found it very scummy.

As for some complaints on me pancaking, am I not allowed a slight change in opinion now?

Really, if all it takes is "It was a reaction test" to change your mind, then I seriously think you need to bring your A-Game in scumhunting here.
~Krabs

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Geez, Desp, I wasn't even talking to you specifically, why are you in defence overdrive (you have no reason to be). The only part of the message that I spoke about you in particular was the pancaking About the pancaking, I mean the whole Jebus opinions. Come on, that was barely a change, you're doing your best to try and make me look scummy here, when in actual fact, it isn't scummy at all for me having a tiny change of opinion.

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I'm going to guess that the other mafia is probably 3 Man Band (Drew McIntyre, Heath Slater, Jinder Mahal) or some random heels in WWE as a team (Jack Swagger, Ziggler, CM Punk etc)
~Krabs

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Fuck.

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Except your case on me "changing opinions" on Jebus IS nitpicking though.

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Well, this hydra sucked major ass because my partner never bothered to fucking post once. Not going to bother trying to waste my effort countering some inevitable lynch. Can't be fucked getting into any debate, because people are just going to be stubborn and adamant.
Might as well claim soon.
~Krabs

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Sorry for my outburst there, I have major depression, tends to flip-flop my moods a lot.
I doubt I can contribute today, but I'm going to try and fight my corner tomorrow.
~Krabs