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[GoodCopBadCop]

VOTE: Fuzdn
Fuzden.

[GoodCopBadCop]

I fully approve of GoodCop's vote

(although I was thinking of voting Nero Cain out of policy--I like to policy lynch all policy lynchers)

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

check the sig

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

If it was rolefishing, it was very poorly and blatantly done, to the point that I do not find it a viable scumtell. I find those who would use that as an excuse to vote somewhat suspect.

In fact,

vote Squidward.

Have you played with Monkey before? If you do, you will might agree with me that he generally scum slips early in games... Scum monkey = obv role fishing , fake claims, and poor play.

if you don't know or don't believe, either check his meta or maybe the other older players might fill you in...

I don't scumslip or play poorly. I get lynched for poor reasons(like this one).

Do you want to talk about your meta?

Not liking this. The 'insult' from Angel would only apply if Monkey is scum and the reaction he gave here seems genuine (the bolded).

VOTE: Monkey
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@Fuzzy

Malcolm, there are a lot of players right now with a lot worse reasons for their votes. I'm comfortable with mine on Skullduggery until she gives a better reason for her self-vote.

The deflection here is scummy. I would've expected town-you to mention that the game has just started instead deflecting.

[GoodCopBadCop]

-Good cop ^

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@Sven - If you were town-Monkey you wouldn't get offended because she's obviously wrong about you. However, If you were scum her insult would hold more weight.
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@Angel - How many games you played with Monkey?

-Goodcop

[GoodCopBadCop]

Why would you ask someone if they were breadcrumbing? Wouldn't that kinda defeat the purpose of it being hidden?

[GoodCopBadCop]

I just want to chim in and say that in my experience with AA9 she has never made logic sense.

So I bet monkey is town here.

There are others who think he's scum...

Your post made me lol though.

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@Sven

I guess I have to read monkey then.

What do you think of him then?

I think monkeys anger or irritation outbursts seems genuine.

Got some examples?
Also, a genuine angry reaction to Angel's insult means that he's scum.
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Initially Esquire looked like scum but it doesn't seem as likely anymore. His posts contain more content than I would expect from newb scum.
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@Krab

I do agree with the viewpoint though about the Skulduggery bandwagon though, it's a good way to weed out opportunistic scum. We could try some mousetraps manoeuvres to bait them out, and hopefully we'll hit scum if we do it correctly (unless it's town playing poorly)

I can't tell if you're being serious with this...

Anyway, why would opportunistic scum vote Skull? I highly doubt any scum would expect Skull to get lynched. The skull waggon itself has provided scum with easy targets. They can just pick someone on the waggon and label them opportunistic scum.

What do you think?

Thinking about it, I think we do need more pressure on RavenPaw tbh. It comes across as a shitty way to scumhunt at best, and at worst, it's scum trying to manipulate. Although Nero's play hasn't come off as remarkably Town to me. Doesn't change my read on The Goat though, but I feel RATEDR has enlightened me to join his vote.

Yeah, don't mention your vote is for pressure unless you don't want there to be any pressure.

How much experience do you have?

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@Ferret

oh lol

I just derped around and accidentally clicked RavenPaw's ISO button, and she has vote/unvote FOUR TIMES. I think that alone is enough of a reason to vote for her.

UNVOTE
VOTE: RAVENPAW

Why is this scummy?

I forgot the word "could" between "that" and "alone". Never said that it really is, however. I was just saying that it COULD be.

So either you wanted it to read:

"I think that

could

alone is enough of a reason to vote for her."

Which hardly makes sense, or you're making this shit up as you go.

It's also better to lynch anti-town than anything else but scum.

So you're strongest lynch candidate is somewhat of a policy lynch? Explain please.
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@Krab

I'm pretty sure four is a bigger number than three. Want me to double-check?
It's a null tell that leans scum to me, it goes to show indecisiveness, which is more anti-town than scummy really.

Why are you defending/answering for Ferret here?
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@Sven

- We'll just have to agree to disagree then.

[GoodCopBadCop]

Both posts from Good Cop.

[GoodCopBadCop]

I just derped around and accidentally clicked RavenPaw's ISO button

I don't buy this.
If it was an accident why'd you keep reading?

Who were you trying to ISO in the first place?

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@Rated

his absolutes with nearly no logic ("if he gets offended at someone saying he sucks as scum, HE MUST BE SCUM") and his questioning of very small and worthless things ("Hmm, clicking someone's ISO by accident, how unusual, DON'T YOU THINK?)

Dude... You're misrepresenting me.
For that, you can go fuck yourself.
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@Sven
Good Cop = absta101

[GoodCopBadCop]

As long as you're confident, go for it.

This is more like him TRYING to look town.

I would expect town to just flat out agree. I mean, he's supposed to know you're right about him. Why would a townie want you to be confident before you considered them town?
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@Desperado - I'd be willing to vote Krab or Ferret with you.

- Good Cop

[GoodCopBadCop]

I dont like this post for some reason. It feels like its buddying up to me... And, I dont know, it feels wierd.

I don't think you know what buddying looks like.

Hahahaha, I have a feeling we're gonna get along very well in this game, mate.

This is more like someone buddying you.

[GoodCopBadCop]

As long as you're confident, go for it.

This is more like

him

TRYING to look town.

I would expect town to just flat out agree. I mean, he's supposed to know you're right about him. Why would a townie want you to be confident before you considered them town?
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@Desperado - I'd be willing to vote Krab or Ferret with you.

- Good Cop

It feels like you are talking to an audience and not directing your post towards the person who wrote it. You use "HIM" and not "YOU". So while I agree somewhat it does not seem like you are trying to figure stuff out but rather put heat on krab.

If I wanted address it to Krab, I would've put "@Krab".

What I was doing there was giving my observation of Krab's behaviour to the public. There was already an ongoing discussion about it between you and Desperado. I was just joining in on it.

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@Sven

- I said "This is more like trying to look town". Which is me saying he's more likely trying to look like town as opposed to what you were suggesting. That's not certainty.

Why wouldn't you agree as town? Even if the person saying "let's not lynch you" is scum. Town not getting lynched is a good thing no?
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@Desperado

- I asked Krab about him defending ferret, he either didn't see the question or he's ignoring it. Also, his weird reaction to Sven's question is suspicious.

However Ferret just seems more scummy. His vote on Raven seems incredibly forced and his reason weak. Voting/unvoting is mostly anti-town, not vote worthy.

[GoodCopBadCop]

Wait what!?

There IS an ISO button!? I'll have rethink on Ferret.

[GoodCopBadCop]

When the hell was this implemented?

[GoodCopBadCop]

It's always been there?

They just added a hyperlink to everyone's posts

, you could always scroll to the bottom and ISO there

Didn't know the bolded.

I thought he was saying he accidentally ISO'd the old fashioned way...

- All posts by Good Cop.

[GoodCopBadCop]

yeah, wondering why monkey isn't lynched yet

I might move over to ravenpaw though because why not

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

Hey guys I'm getting bored w/ GoodCop's vote on monkey

who should I vote for?

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

Just looked at their ISOs, was not impressed by scum reads on these lazy slots

how will you respond to a

Vote: Nero Cain

?

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

Just looked at their ISOs, was not impressed by scum reads on these lazy slots

how will you respond to a

Vote: Nero Cain

?

-BadCop

you're an idiot. Why am I scummy for finding the ferret and goat slots suspicious/scummy but not others?

i dunno LOL ¯\(°_o)/¯

I just wanted to see how you'd respond

Unvote, Vote: ferret

you earned my vote though

lol @ everyone getting upset

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

Just looked at their ISOs, was not impressed by scum reads on these lazy slots

how will you respond to a

Vote: Nero Cain

?

-BadCop

if you're going for the split personality type play to justify mistakes, don't.

this post pinged my scumdar

where did I make a mistake?

I am absolutely aware of my posts and how they might be perceived, yet am making them anyway

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

So you're being silly for silly sake. Why are we not policy lynching this hydra?

I might be silly

but I'm also town

and I'm also scumhunting so

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

I just want to point out how bad GCBC have played here.

GCBC asks where to put vote <--- bad in itself
nero says ferret and someone else

GCBC iso´s them both in 4 minutes
GCBC vote nero for having bad reads

everyone is like "yo, wtf?"

GCBC votes ferret and claims that nero has earned his vote


So... GCBC went from thinking that ferret was a bad vote to a good vote in like... 20 minutes?
He also doesnt specify how nero earned his vote.


Man thats alot of shit.

so its shit to scumhunt?

are you actually surprised that I wasn't invested in my unexplained vote on nero?

[GoodCopBadCop]

Personally, my 4 targets of the day would be Ravenpaw (reasons listed above), Doctor whatever (pathetic contributions, from a hydra that's disgraceful), Amethyst (hasn't been scumhunting, and then calls me opportunistic without expanding on it at all), and Nero Cain (The meta comment from Monkey was really interesting, and Nero's reasoning for jumping on the Skull wagon was poor)
~Krabs

your read on me is wrong, your read on nero won't help us today

can you expand on your read on Doctor whatever? I think we are on to something

(I'm not really aware of why people are suspicious of raven, so filling me in there would be good too)

-BadCop

(this post and the last one too were me)

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@Skull

Ferret's reaction has me thinking that he's probably Town. Seemed genuinely confused about the sudden wagon, so either he's legitimately baffled or he's a really good actor.

Which post did this happen in?

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@Sven

I have stated that my goal is not to lynch jebus, i am just willing to unless he gets me what I want. I have stated this alot and I dont understand why people keep bringing it up.

So you'd lynch someone for not "getting you what you want"? This just seems like a stupid power struggle. Someone's already mentioned that he's played like this before, got lynched and flipped town. Let it go, seriously.

How is this scumhunting? You stated that ferret was a bad vote after a four minute read, then you voted nero, then you followed neros advice anyway and voted ferret. So you went from having suspicions on nero to trusting him with your vote in a matter of minutes and you didnt explain how it happened.

I don't think Bad cop was very serious when he made those posts. I didn't take the Nero vote seriously...

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@Ferret

If I assumed that I could be able to shoot anyone, I would shoot myself. I haven't been helpful very much and need to be more actively scumhunting. If I couldn't shoot myself then I would have No Action.

This doesn't come from a town mindset, it comes from scum pretending to be town.
As town, you would know yourself to be %100 town, everyone else would be less than %100 (sure) town. From this perspective, shooting anyone over yourself would be the best and obvious choice.

[GoodCopBadCop]

Good cop ^

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I dont think I can do the ISO on ferret today desperado. Totally spent from work and I dont have axcess to a computer. I have skimmed him thou and even with the last posts he made I think gcbc is a better lynch.

Good scum hunting.

You said you were going to explain why i'm scum. I'd like to hear it.

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@desperado

But I've also just died in a game with Jebus where he got lynched for this precise reason, and was town.

This is not excusing his play, but it is meant to illustrate that no matter how much pressure you put on him (with words AND votes), he just doesn't care. My understanding from that game is that his meta is more of the same.

Sven, the last you said you hadn't had time to focus in on ferret. If that is still the case, just ISO him, come back, and try to justify his actions as town.

If you can do that convincingly, I'll jump back on Jebus with you.

I don't understand why you'd vote Jebus again. Can you explain why?

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@Sven

Okay. So you bad cop going 180 on two people without any reasoning and in short period of time is just something I should let slide?

Yes! Why the hell would he do that as scum? He would be more careful.
It's null.

[GoodCopBadCop]

I have stated that it is roleneutral for him to slack.
I will not let it go.

Let's say we waste a lynch on a neutral player. What advantage have we gained that is more useful to us than a dead scummy player?

- Good cop.

[GoodCopBadCop]

I was also informing Sven that lynching Jebus will not "teach him a lesson," which seemed to be the major thrust of his vote.

Then why even vote him as a placeholder?

[GoodCopBadCop]

Not even remotely null in my eyes. Its among the scummiest things I have seen. I dont know how I will be able to change my read on you.

Regarding Jebus, I will never be okay with that amount of contribution, and I feel like I have to show it somehow to make it clear that it is not tolerated.

Gcbc is my strongest scum suspect thou.

And desp, i will do the iso i promised, but it will have to wait another 24 hours ... I Feel bad about that bro.

Why is it scummy?

Why would he do that as scum?

You missed the question.

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@Desperado

- I think you're slightly town atm. I was looking for an explanation to something I found weird. We'll talk about it in more detail later.

[GoodCopBadCop]

Also, Sven stop posting so much. You're responsible for more than 1/5 of all the posts.

[GoodCopBadCop]

Its scummy because i dont get or belive that you have faith in your actions. You dont seem to care much where your vote is. You dont give insight to the thoughts that you had at the time.

What do you mean by "faith in my actions"?
Are you basing this solely on the vote on Nero or other things? (quote relevant posts)

You think scum don't care where their vote is?
(How much experience do you have?)

[GoodCopBadCop]

I will not stop my activity. Although it will drop when my battery dies.

It will hurt town if you don't...

You complain about lurkers when you're making catching up way harder for them. If I was a day Vig, i'd kill you now. You piss me off.

In fact:

Vig: Sven

Good riddance.

[GoodCopBadCop]

It was a reaction test.

[GoodCopBadCop]

Claiming neutral, then demanding that a Vigi goes on one of the most pro-town players in the game at this moment in time?
Not to mention your flip-flopping makes me think Mitt Romney is part of your hydra.
I don't bye your claim one bit, and even if you are a neutral, why would you actively say you want a Vigi to kill what many players believe to be one of the most pro-town players at this point. Neutral or not,

it seems you may be detrimental to our success.

UNVOTE: Ravenpaw
VOTE: GCBC

~Krabs

This is super scummy. You don't even know what's going on. You just saw an opportunity to vote me and did it.
I didn't ask a vig to kill anyone. I just "did it" myself.

The bolded is terrible. It's like you know i'm town and you're justifying a policy lynch.
VOTE: Krab

[GoodCopBadCop]

Whoa, I misinterpreted the Neutral claim badly lmao.

I still think that GCBC is acting passive-aggressive though.

What exactly is passive-aggressive about using his ability to kill someone? That's about as far as you can get from passive.

He's talking shit and he's obv scum.

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@Goat - How is your first reaction to a Vig claim to vote the claimer?

1) Lots of little "this looks scummy" implications without actually pursuing them. Looks like planting seeds for later "I told you so" sort of stuff.

Makes sense!
This would only work if the people I was accusing were scum. Otherwise, how would I say told you so?

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@Skull

How much of today's happenings were part of your reaction test? Just the fake vig shot or all the posts leading up to it (527, 530, 534, 535, 543, 544, 547, and 548)?

548 was the only intentional reaction test.

Do you believe that this bewilderment is fabricated?

Those posts could easily come from scum who needs to look busy but it's hard to tell. There

have

been a lot of posts.
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@Ferret

@Ravenpaw what have I ignored? Just quote/say it again and I'll probably be happy to answer.

What are you even doing?
Something big just happened. What's your opinion of it?
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@Goat

- Aren't you going to respond to me challenging your first point on why i'm scum? Do you agree that you doesn't make sense?
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@Raven

Why is posting a lot a bad thing? His posts have been helpful.

1. It will make it harder for people to catch up which can cause them to just give up.
2. Scum, like ferret, have a valid excuse for not posting as much content.

Sven could easily make less but more constructive posts.
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- Good cop.

[GoodCopBadCop]

that it doesn't make sense*

[GoodCopBadCop]

Right so I have to iso ferret, then skull then AA... might do AA before skull..

Will happen this evening,

Scum, run scared.

but first a movie.

@Raven - You get what I mean...

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Krabs

Of course I'm going to react if someone outright fucking demands that the Vigi goes on Sven (the most pro-town player here IMO). Also, I see that "reaction test" as an easy way out of GCBC, and by god, I honestly found it very scummy.

1. I didn't suggest any Vig should kill Sven,

I pretended to kill him myself

.
2. Explain how a reaction test can give off any scum vibes. You finding it "very scummy" seems like complete bs.

MY reaction to his fake vig was to ask him to claim in full. Yours was to vote him indiscriminately. You didn't even read his posts properly and had to be corrected later.

This is why Desp is town and you're scum.
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@Esquire

@ GCBC: I don't find Sven scummy in the least. I find most of his posts helpful, informative, and very pro-town in content. I agree, there are a lot of them, some of them are useless and it does make it harder to catch up (speaking from experience in this game here),

but to even suggest an unannounced vig kill on him just seems like madness

and very anti-town. I dunno if it was going for a reaction or joking around or whatever it is you claim, it certainly wan't cool to do and doesn't help my opinion of you either.

1. I've never called him scum...
2. The bolded. How do you think one gets his reactions, by doing something normal?
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@Goat

Please elucidate and be specific, and pretend I've had 17 beers. Because that's close to being accurate.

Don't use such a terrible excuse. If you're drunk, don't post until you're sober.

You can answer my question proper now.

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Goat - I mean, it would've been so easy for Bad cop to say "Oh ma gerd, I was so drunk when I made those posts". The drunk is excuse is a perfect excuse for scum.

[GoodCopBadCop]

- Good cop

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Goat - Aren't you going to respond to me challenging your first point on why i'm scum? Do you agree that you doesn't make sense?
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Please elucidate and be specific, and pretend I've had 17 beers. Because that's close to being accurate.

This ffs. Stop ignoring it.

[GoodCopBadCop]

Quick reply:

and GCBC has been just... different

What an awesome reason!

I'm looking into you after Krab.

[GoodCopBadCop]

I can see Goat as scum.

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Goat

1) Lots of little "this looks scummy" implications without actually pursuing them. Looks like planting seeds for later "I told you so" sort of stuff.

This would only work if the people I was accusing were scum. Otherwise, how would I say told you so?

This, FFS, THIS!
Your point doesn't make much sense to me.
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@Monkey

Looks like a bussing post to me. I would be fine with Goat or GCBC as the final lynch.

Why would you talk about bussing before we even have a scum flip? Your reason here is terrible.

I could def go for an arcangel lynch too. So many scummy people. This is a good thing though.

Having lots of scummy people is bad for town, good for scum...
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Krab Bucket has requested replacement.

Lol, perfect. This guy is scum.
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@Sven

would have liked a malcolm wagon more thou. nacho is supposed to be a good player.

Is your reason for voting Nacho meta (only)?

Also, you need about 8 more posts until you get to 200, keep going!
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@Malcom

If you post something better than "LURKER LURKER LURKER LURKER" you might be able to get something done, but not until then. I'm not opposed to a rated wagon after Krabs is lynched though.

Agreed. I got a gut scum read on Rated.

[GoodCopBadCop]

I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO VOTE FOR NACHO. GOOD LYNCH. NAY, BEST LYNCH.

So your read on him is based solely on meta...
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RATEDR i think ur town (because of Romo Grazie's posts, i have no idea how to read vifam and the last time i tried i failed) but yr tunnel on raven's going nowhere and idk you might be right but i'm not feeling it yet, you need to look around more okay

Fair enough. I'm not feeling the Krab Bucket lynch, especially with him replacing out. He still felt very wooden but there are bigger fish to fry.

Fish such as

*Drumroll*

Unvote

Vote: GoodCopBadCop

-Grazie

Kill me, please.

[GoodCopBadCop]

Just lynch Krab already. He replaced out as soon as we caught him.

[GoodCopBadCop]

This is so retarded.

@Jebus - Why are you voting me?

[GoodCopBadCop]

Extension please.
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@Sven

- Saying that the waggon on Krab "stinks" is a cheap and easy way to discredit it. Also, the reasons presented for Krab scum are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than the Nacho meta case. Is this best you can do, lurker/meta cases? Fix up please.
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I don't even know what to say anymore. There's a group who wants Krab lynched, all with reasons afaik. There's another group totally against his lynch for reasons unknown to me and others. Then there's the retards/lurkers who are just voting for the sake of it.

This game is stalled.

[GoodCopBadCop]

I can see Raven scum. I would've expected her to give up with the "answer my questions" by now. It seems like an easy way for her to appear active.

@Raven - It seriously feels like that's all you're doing. Fuck the questions. Try another way of scumhunting.

[GoodCopBadCop]

lol