WWE Believe in the Shield

[TheEsquire]

Because we can vote people not in the game, screw it.

##VOTE: John Cena

Can we just get rid of him? I'd be happy that way, even without getting rid of the Shield.

No? Okay.

##UNVOTE

##VOTE: RATEDR

Six letters? Obviously a cipher for SHIELD. Try harder next time scum.

[TheEsquire]

Are you softclaiming fandango?

Ehhh, I take "rolefishing" and such with a grain of salt the first few pages. Random votes and silliness and whatnot. Though I've learned firsthand it's never a good idea to roleclaim flavour roles day one in my first ever game. I got ripped apart for it until everyone stopped and remembered that I was just a nub and didn't realize any better. It's still something to go on day 1 I guess, but whoever jumps this bandwagon early would be extremely suspect in my eyes if they flipped town

In before: You defended MM576, him + you == scum.

PEDIT: If it's stereotypical of Monkey's play, that's a different story. I'll have to go creep around some of your old games to get a better read on people then.

[TheEsquire]

Alright, I AM here. I just haven't had much to contribute since the game has been going blazing fast and, well, its day 1. For the sake of analysis and to give some us townies more thoughts and input, I'll have my reads up in the next hour or so.

[TheEsquire]

9 pages in 2 days is fast?

It is compared to what I'm used to, but I haven't played in a game quite this big before. The biggest I've done was 15 (I think) and didn't realize how much the 6 extra people would make a difference. Also, just finished a game of WWE 13. Brought Goldust into the Royal Rumble as number 2 and won the thing. WrestleMania here I come! More on topic...

Gonna start this post off with everyone's current vote history, partially for my own viewing pleasure and as a bookmark for myself later. Yes I know it's early, but I like to keep track early. Sue me.

Amethyst Actor

: XMalcomX > UNVOTE

ArcAngel9

: MonkeyMan576

Desperado

: ArcAngel9 > Jebus

Doctor C Niall DeMencha

: Jebus **Only post so far

ferretlover

: Nero Cain > Skullduggery > Ravenpaw

FuDuzn

: Skullduggery > Ravenpaw

Fuzzyman

: Jebus > Skullduggery

GoodCopBadCop

: Fuduzn > MonkeyMan576

Jebus

: Skullduggery **Only Post so far, but was V/LA IIRC

Krab Bucket

: Skullduggery > The Goat > RavenPaw

MonkeyMan576

: FuDuzn > GoodCopBadCop

Nero Cain

: Svenskt Stal > Skullduggery > Raven (twice in a row without unvoting)

RATEDR

: Desperado > RavenPaw

Ravenpaw

: xMALCOLMx > FuDuzn > Skullduggery > Nero Cain

Skullduggery

: Doctor C. Neil Whatever > Skullduggery > Nero Cain

Squidward

: MonkeyMan576

Svenskt Stål

: Amethyst Actor > Nero Cain > TheEsquire

The Goat

: Desperado > Squidward

TheEsquire

: RATEDR

Vifam

: **No votes

xMALCOLMx

: Svenskt Stal > Fuzzyman

zachattack

: FuDuzn

Actually, gonna just post this as a separate post. Next post incoming soon.

[TheEsquire]

SO basicly TheEsquire told everyone who they had voted.

Not very hard to fake as scum.

Meh, it helps to see who is jumping all over the bandwagons.

TheEsq here with a devastating IIOA the leaves Nero Cain confused and angry.

Like I said, my next post was incoming. You need SOME information to make an analysis, and it helps me organize my thoughts if I write them down. A votetracker always tends to be helpful in my opinion, so I figured I'd share it rather than keep it to myself. Just trying to help. Also, just realized Vifam is one of the Hydra accounts, so that makes way more sense why they hadn't voted yet

My thoughts:

First page is full of RVS, nothing telling on its own there. But later with

Are you softclaiming fandango?

I keep looking at this over and over again as the pages go by. I was doubtful at first, but I've got a gutwrenching feeling about it ever since. Yeah, it is more my gut than anything concrete but that's usually the best I get day 1 without anything slapping me in the face.

What is equally suspicious though is the people jumping on top of Monkey afterwards. It's an easy bandwagon opportunity

People (Fuzzy, ferret, Jebus, Raven, nero) then hop on Skull for her selfvote. Yes, it's anti town, but it was less than 24 hours into the game and I take that stuff with a grain of salt. Also, I'm really not sure if it was intentional or just jokey, but they may have breadcrumbed a role here:

Save_Us_Skullduggery? Fear not, for I shall

break the walls down

and save you all.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Skullduggery

Possible Y2J breadcrumb/claim early on puts her high on my town list, so I won't be voting for her Day 1 as far as I can see. Doesn't give any insight if she would be a VT or a PR which is good. As long as I know you're not in SHIELD. Just something for others to keep in mind if they decide to revisit a Skull bandwagon down the road. I feel that people who jumped on the train here are scummy, especially Jebus with his only post of the game. This gives me huge scum reads, but I could have sworn I saw him say he was V/LA somewhere on the site so I don't feel he warrants a vote yet.

I see nothing wrong with Monkeys Fandango post. But #73 feels like "I'm scum, but that's not why"

I completely agree. Mostly because it feels like something I would say if I were scum. I tend to get defensive really quickly when people attack me, but I know there's truth behind what they say. Otherwise I let it roll off because I know it's not true and that's good enough for me. I'm sure I'm not the only person like that either, but maybe I'm just a terrible liar.

Anyways, there isn't much to go on in the first 4 pages. There's a lot of banter back and forth about why Skull or Monkey is the better vote and arguing over meta. I didn't get much of a vibe from anyone other than Nero Cain's vote on Skull with no reasoning. Seems like a bandwagon vote they were hoping to slip in unnoticed, and smells slightly scummy. Sven goes on to poke and prod people with questions and gets answers. Seems to be actively hunting the scum menace and gives me a very pro-town vibe. Points out that AA9 might be tunneling, but the way that Monkey is reacting to all the accusations bothers me enough to throw my vote down on him for now.

##UNVOTE: RATEDR

##VOTE: MonkeyMan576

AA9 seems to genuinely think Monkey is scum, and though it could just be a ploy for a mislynch early on I get a leaning town read from her too. Still early though, and if Monkey were to flip town I would be looking hard at AA9 for the rest of the game.

Desperado gives of town vibes. Provides great reasoning behind his votes, brings up good points and discussion, and I agree with his trains of thought.

End of page 6. Posting now, continuing after posting, ignoring new posts until I get to them.

[TheEsquire]

Starting from page 7:

RATEDR is starting to give me a null/weak scum read. No information or real content in any of their posts, no conjecture, no... anything :\ I'd like to hear something of value from them other than one line sentence fragments and "hey lets all vote Ravenpaw". I agree that 4 votes in 5 posts is jumpy, but vote-hopping has always been a null read more than anything else. It doesn't help her case that she jumped that scum-filled Skullduggery bandwagon. I don't really feel like there was any legitimate case there. If it's just pressure to get her to talk, I'm perfectly fine with that! I'm still not feeling the Raven train over the Monkey one though.

Skullduggery continues to get people talking! Good! People (including myself) haven't been talking nearly enough this game so far to generate any real leads. Currently sitting at the top of my town reads.

@Skullduggery: Who are your biggest scumspects/why? I'd value your input here since you're in my good graces and, well, I trust you right now

Do you think the wrestler you are is indictative of their role? He was only asking if I was Fandango, not what my actuall role was.

I dunno about in this game, but in previous games elsewhere I've seen flavour character's be indicative of a PR, so I usually make a point of not claiming flavour roles unless the mod expressly says the two are not connected. I consider fishing for flavour the same offense as fishing for roles and I'm sure many other people here agree.

Nero and his policy lynch discussions kinda bug me, and RATEDR passively agreeing with it bugs me too. Anti-town read from Nero. It's way too early to be discussing any kind of PL, and in my experience they've always hurt town more than help. A lot of hostility coming from RATEDR too which is never helpful. They're leaning scum more and more to me, and I almost regret moving my vote. Almost. Being new to the site, I can't tell if this is just how either of the heads play or what.

Can anyone give me some insight here?

I think what you said was "why are you posting on this account and not the hydra". Why not say something like "Gentl reminder to all hydras that you should check account before posting", it feels like your "alert carries some hidden weight, I dont like that phrasing at all.

@Sven: AA's point to Vifam is valid, and the "harsh" tone of it doesn't strike me as odd. The mod expressly says that posting outside of the Hydra is forbidden and action will be taken at repeat offenses. You might not have remembered the ruling right away, but AA's obviously would being a hydra themselves. Modkill's and the like are never a good thing, so AA'a actions come across as weak town in that regard, but I'd do the same thing even if I was scum in the interest of fair play and fun, so it is kinda null too depending on the person. More town than null though.

NEWEST PAGE YAY. Mod warning at Vifam basically verifies what I was thinking and wrote above.

Completely agree that my most recent post was IIOA. It wasn't my intent to end it there though. My computer was crapping out so I figured I should post what I had just in case. Trying to provide some more discussion now.

Me likey all this activity. Posts incoming.

Hey, it's Raven! I'd like to hear your reactions to all the votes and such thrown at you. What's going on here? I agree that RATEDR's vote on Raven is weird considering he even mentioned how crappy the Skull wagon was. I somehow missed that line. I don't like early bandwagons, the one on you included.

RATEDR, I'm actually kinda glad to see that all the previous work was the other head. My suspicions are far from cleared though. I've never played with hydras before so I really don't know what to suspect. @_@

So you feel like monkey was hunting power roles, ...you find the speed of his wagon suspicious... you vote him. This makes little sense to me couse I would be hesitant if I experienced what you claim to experience.

And then if he flips town you will come after someone who, to me, votes monkey for the same reasons as you do?

Oh god yes. I fully expect people to scrutinize me too if this happens. I also never said I'd be going for Arc, only that I'd certainly be looking over their posts again with e fine tooth comb. Only obvious thing to do, and I'm fully prepared for that repercussion of me following the same path as them. I'm just saying that I'd be suspicious of Arc. If I were you and this happens, I'd assume the whole town would be coming for either my head or theirs and you have every right to your suspicions. I say I didn't like the speed of the wagon initially, but after the initial heat and bandwagoning has passed I'm a lot more okay with it at the moment. Yeah that's wishy-washy flipity-flopity, but that's just how I feel looking at if after the original backlash of the comment.

[TheEsquire]

The fact that Esquire was concerned about Monkey's call out on Fud's Fandango crumbing, yet he blatantly points out a Jericho reference as a breadcrumb. Plus I don't think it's a sure thing to say that Jericho would be town, the current heel/face alignments in WWE land are probably irrelevant to this game.

I was more worried about Monkey coming out and asking someone to claim their role. I've always felt that pointing a crumb out isn't scummy, but telling a person to come out about their crumb is. I'm just saying it's a possibility for townies to keep their minds open to.

Also, I was under the assumption that the SHIELD members are all the scum members. If that's not true, then my logic there is completely f***ed and I need to start rethinking that line of thought

[TheEsquire]

Sure thing. I apologize. It's been a few years since I've played a game of mafia, and my ettiquette/recollection of what is or isn't helpful is still coming back to me. Who (other than me, because I'm not about to vote myself) do you think is a better vote than Monkey? Nero and RATEDR are my other current scum candidates, if you want a concise version of my posts.

[TheEsquire]

Sure thing. I apologize. It's been a few years since I've played a game of mafia, and my ettiquette/recollection of what is or isn't helpful is still coming back to me. Who (other than me, because I'm not about to vote myself) do you think is a better vote than Monkey? Nero and RATEDR are my other current scum candidates, if you want a concise version of my posts.

I was on nero before I switched to you so I can see that.

So this is your first game back from a longer break?

I played 3 or 4 games of Mafia in the past, but not on Mafiascum and they were a few years ago (2010?). I stopped posting on any forums at all for a few years. Missed playing Mafia the most so when I found out about here I was eager to start again.

Back on topic: I'd be willing to throw down a vote on either of those three candidates. Really, as long as it's someone I feel is vaguely scummy I'm comfortable lynching them day 1. It's really hard to do much else day 1 without the information from a flip.

You seem very easy to work with. How should I approach the mission of deducing your role, what do you objectively think seperates your scum and town game? And what are the main goals you have as a towny if any?

I'm friendly. It's just how I am. You have questions, I answer them. I ask questions, and I hope they get answered. I'm not going to deny any possibilities, even if they're currently detrimental to my life expectancy. Just don't always expect me to be the one to point out the points that may get me killed myself

Otherwise, I'm certainly not going to ever claim my flavour role or if I have a power role or not unless I feel it's time. That always seems to be detrimental to town unless you've figured out someone who is scum, especially early game. How to spot my roles is a question I can't answer because I don't even know myself. I've actually only ever been a townie in my games. I'm looking forward to a game where I get to let my evil side out someday, but this game is not that game

Also, goal: I want to lynch scum and watch them sway in the wind by their necks. What townie doesn't!

[TheEsquire]

RATEDR is starting to give me a null/weak scum read. No information or real content in any of their posts, no conjecture, no... anything :\

You've obviously never played with me before

Pretty obvious considering this is my first game on the site, yeah.

[TheEsquire]

To address some of the points you've made for the sake of addressing them

his opinion on PLing reads contradictory as well ("it's way too early to be talking about a PL, and in my experience they've always hurt town more than they help" -- if PLing always hurts town, why is it just "too early"? Hedging in case a PL becomes an option later on?).

There's always the exception to the rule. Someone hammering a townie without any previous mention of voting them before or declaring an intent to do so? I certainly am willing to jump them on policy the next day, but not before any discussion happens. That sentence should have read "Day 1 policy lynches are bad. Later on they can have their place in certain circumstances". I'm going to chalk that crappy wording up it being 6 AM at the tail end of an all nighter.

Not understanding what Sven was asking him also reads kinda newbscum to me ("I want to lynch scum and watch them sway in the wind by their neck. What townie doesn't!" -- just so over the top).

You wouldn't be judging me on this if you knew my play. I'm always over the top and deliciously hammy. Why play a game if I can't have fun with it?

A lot of hostility coming from RATEDR too which is never helpful.

What the fuck, I'm pretty chill man

Didn't mean any offense by it. I guess better word choices are "aggressive" or "blunt". I'm just not used to the play style in my past games so it came off as harsh.

I dont like Esquire

I mean that he seems like a really lame person

Well... well... well... The Rated R Superstar was only an okay wrestler by my books! SO THERE

Plus I don't think it's a sure thing to say that Jericho would be town, the current heel/face alignments in WWE land are probably irrelevant to this game.

Possible fear mongering?

Nah, I read it as pointing out the possibility of what I saw to be a breadcrumb to hold not as much weight as I might have thought. It's a good point.

Also, to try and help nip this "contradictory breadcrumb pointing" of mine in the bud, I actually sat there for a while debating whether or not to point it out knowing that it would sound wishy-washy. I thought it would be more beneficial to us to point it out in the end because I figured it might help clear Skull's name, kill what I believed to be a scummy bandwagon early and let us focus on someone else who seemed scummier.

Also, I was under the assumption that the SHIELD members are all the scum members. If that's not true, then my logic there is completely f***ed and I need to start rethinking that line of thought

I'm sure they are, but keep in mind that there are only three members of The Shield. Three Scum in a 21-person game is really low, so either the three of them are super beefy or we might be looking at multiball. We'll have to wait and see how many kills there are on night one before we can say for certain, though. Not much point in setup speculation at this point in the game...so I'll shut up about it now.

Good point. Either way it turns out, thanks for getting me outside my thought box a little more. I totally just assumed 3 scum. Jumping to conclusions is a bad habit of mine, so if you call me out on it I won't get offended.

PEDIT: Holy crap, Ninja'd by a lot of posts. not even going to bother adding to this already long enough post though

[TheEsquire]

I agree that Jebus needs to get some posts down in here to get some reads off of. If they don't start contributing in a manner helpful to town, I'd be okay with throwing a vote over to him. Actually, why wait? Monkey isn't going anywhere at this point and pressure on Jebus might get him down here quicker.

##UNVOTE

##VOTE: Jebus

Krab reads null to me, AA. I'm with Nero on this one. I think there are far better choices for day 1 so far, but that's just me.

[TheEsquire]

@MOD: V/LA UNTIL END OF THURSDAY, MAY 2ND

[TheEsquire]

Derp, forgot to bold it.

@MOD: V/LA UNTIL END OF THURSDAY, MAY 2ND

Moving day.

[TheEsquire]

Back, but with great displeasure have to have to preemptively say this...

@MOD: V/LA from Sunday, May 5 to Thursday, May 9th

I'm not on vacation, I'm just going to be limited access.
My roommate in my new place missed the visit from the magic internet fairy, so my new place will be in the dark until sometime Thursday when they come again. Not. Freaking. Pleased. I'll still be able to tether from my phone, but I don't have much data so my posting will be limited. I'll be around as much as a possibly can though one way or another. There's a library close by, so I might be able to hit that up.

Reading to catch up now.

[TheEsquire]

Jebus has been posting in thread, while you haven't.

I actually laughed at this. Jebus has been nowhere to be found this game, and has said nothing with any real content! A joke vote, an apology for not posting, and a tutorial on how to see activity overview are 3 of his 5 posts! It's why I planted my vote on him a few days ago in hopes to get more people to pressure him back in here. This certainly pushes you to the scum side of my radar,

especially if Jebus happens to turn out as scum.

Reading further shows that his 5th post calls you out on this exact same thing. Could be busing but that's kinda WIFOM-ish stuff that I really don't want to look at day 1. Either way, Krab. This looks terrible on you :/

After an ISO of your posts though, I'm really not sure what to think. Your jump all over GCBC was hasty, but understandable. I would have done the same thing if I had of been on the thread at that time. You haven't been bandwagoning, but your recent posts don't seem to have much in them until your reaction to the vig day shoot thing by GCBC though. I'm leaning null with anti-town vibes, especially with the look of a policy lynch coming from you

@ GCBC: I don't find Sven scummy in the least. I find most of his posts helpful, informative, and very pro-town in content. I agree, there are a lot of them, some of them are useless and it does make it harder to catch up (speaking from experience in this game here), but to even suggest an unannounced vig kill on him just seems like madness and very anti-town. I dunno if it was going for a reaction or joking around or whatever it is you claim, it certainly wan't cool to do and doesn't help my opinion of you either.

I'm basically going back and forth here and can't make heads or tails of the situation. I feel like if one is town, the other is scum. Krabs is giving me the bigger scum radar ping of the two, if I had to choose.

To follow up the traitor crumb thing: I don't think the 3 members of the Shield are the only members of mafia in a 21 player.

Yeah, I realized that later when someone else mentioned it. The theme of the game suggests it could be the case (which is where I was coming from), but the size of the game would leave that far too unbalanced (which I didn't think of at the time)

Sven goes on to poke and prod people with questions and gets answers. Seems to be actively hunting the scum menace and gives me a very pro-town vibe.

My eyebrow raises at his lack of follow-up/payoff. He looks busy, yeah, but I wouldn't let him or anyone off that easy for effort.

I'm kinda noob-ish when it comes to Mafia. I said I've played before a few times. Never once said I was

good

. That's not the greatest of excuses though and can only be used so long. What kind of follow-up are you looking for here. Serious question, and I'll give you all the opinions/answers you want if you give me an idea of what you want to know.

[TheEsquire]

Someone needs to cliff me in on what the shield is.

I supose it is a wrestling clan consisting of 3 individuals? That are Evil? Why cant shield be power roles?

Yes if shield is evil and apparant scum side there are other factions/neutrals/SK out there.

The SHIELD is a wrestling faction with three people in them, yes. They're heel, and they gang up on people, make sneak attacks on individuals, and are basically like a rogue cop group righting wrongs, even if it means breaking the rules to do so. Definitely not good guys, and the flavour of the game suggests the town is against them.

But you don't have to take my word for it...

[TheEsquire]

Posting to let everyone know I am back and have internet again. Will read up and post again after I finish cooking supper.

[TheEsquire]

So there are two scum groups (Or at least two groups of non-townies) is my guess. The SHIELD is self explanatory, but for those who don't know, people who ally themselves with Paul Hayman in the WWE are generally seen as heels and bad dudes.

[TheEsquire]

Bah, I was hoping I'd beat the prod. Turned into a busy weekend and I didn't have time to catch up 30+ pages of Mafia. Heavy reading time now.

[TheEsquire]

@MOD: Saturday is the 18th, not the 19th. Which is the deadline?

For my own sanity's sake, I'm going go from where GCBC was Triple Powerbombed into hell.

Quick thoughts before reading: Is it possible that SHIELD has day kills while other group has NK? Or would that be too crazy for a game like this? Maybe SHIELD has day kill only while all three members remain since it mentions Triple Powerbombing people, and neutral faction just has to be last one standing? I guess we really wont know until night comes anyways and we see the number of kills, etc so I'll stop speculating here until tomorrow in-game.

So a 1-Shot Day-Vig I'm assuming? Dammit RoleCop gone. That sux man.

Mourning kills is a scumtell.

Not really in my eyes. I know I always feel like crap when my group loses a power role. However, it was clearly marked as a non-town role being killed off in the post so I'm willing to lean it as a scum tell on ferret.

Why would SHIELD pick off GCBC though? I would assume one of two things:
A)If their day kill ability IS limited to only being used while united, perhaps we were on the right track with a Krab/Mutley lynch and they wanted to use their ability before they lost it.

B) For the sake of argument lets assume their ability has more than one use and they had to be united. If we weren't on the right track, there's no real reason for them to use the ability otherwise because it would just be a waste. Maybe they wanted to cause some confusion. They would know GCBC wasn't with them, and probably assumed we would just jump over to Mutley afterwards and have another mislynch. I'd bet my life they didn't know there was a neutral faction included in the game and got unlucky when they hit it.

PEDIT: @Goat, I realize this. I'm just coming off a move to a new city so things are still a little chaotic. A lot of unexpected... everything happening here right now with the new apartment.

[TheEsquire]

I'd bet my life they didn't know there was a neutral faction included in the game and got unlucky when they hit it.

The Shield team nailed a member of the rival Scum team. How is that unlucky for them? Hell, how is that unlucky for

us?

Yay, one less Scum player to worry about. That's a good thing. That's not what I'd call unlucky.

It was great for us townies! For the sake of the plan that I was describing in my head there, it was unlucky since it didn't get a immediate mislynch right after. In the overall scheme of things, it worked out better than expected for them though. I was just throwing my thoughts out there, but you bring up a good point. Especially with the killing of the Malcom wagon. Hmmm.

[TheEsquire]

Woah, what the fuck just happened here?

No cults. No bastard modding. No jesters. No lynchers.

yes, I'm john Cena-compulsive lyncher. I have a new target and I must get them lynched each day or I loose. Today my target is Goat so pls help me fulfill part of my wincon.

Unvote

Vote: Nero Cain

...what? I really don't like this. It was pretty clear that he was joking. I doubt anything is going to come of this today, but I'll throw my vote down here for now.

##Vote: Fuzzyman

My vote probably won't stay there, but at this moment of time it feels right.

At work right now though so I can't do much more. Going to do some ISO-ing of our current vote leaders on my lunch break, and the rest when I get home and see what I can find.

[TheEsquire]

At work right now though so I can't do much more. Going to do some ISO-ing of our current vote leaders on my lunch break, and the rest when I get home and see what I can find.

Why are you doing this if you want a fuzzy lynch?

I don't rule out any possibilities. Everyone else is making cases about other people, so I figured I should see if after some personal investigation I agree with another case more. Fuzzy doesn't have a lot of content in here, so I don't exactly have a lot to go off of, so another lynch may be more favourable. If I don't find anything that peaks my interest, my vote stays on Fuzzy. Simple as that.

That said, we aren't having a no lynch today. If I have to compromise my position to ensure we get a flip, I'll do it.

[TheEsquire]

Ehhhhhh, after ISO-ing both Goat and Mutley, who seem to be people's biggest candidates for a lynch today, I still prefer my fuzzy vote. That said, Goat's posts don't seem to have much in the way of any content the past while and it seemed like he may have just been trying to cost by and not stir the pot. Mutley self voting reads anti-town, but at so close to hammer I can't see a scum volunteering to lynch himself. Way too WIFOM-y for this line of logic though. If I had to pick one of the two, my gut says pick Goat. It's almost 2 Am now where I'm at and I can't promise I'll be available in the morning in time for deadline, so there's only one way to get the train going, and that's to give it a push.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE:The Goat

[TheEsquire]

EBDP: may have just been trying to

coast

by and not stir the pot. Fuck I'm tired. It's been a long week.

[TheEsquire]

MUTLEY YOU LISTEN TO ME

NEVER GIVE UP

IF YOU GIVE UP YOU CAN NEVER BE PART OF THE CENATION

UNVOTE:

VOTE: THE GOAT

I DON'T HAVE A READ ON THIS GUY BUT I DON'T WANT TO VOTE MUTTLEY TODAY

I would be voting myself too if the alternative was to join the Cenation.

[TheEsquire]

I felt like Mutley was a poorer lynch target than others out there, The Goat included. If you recall, I had my vote down on Fuzzyman up until that time for that exact reason. The Goat train started, I felt more comfortable with that seeing that no one else would call for Fuzzy's head yesterday, and didn't want a no-lynch to happen. I even said that if I had to change my vote to avoid a no lynch in the end I would if I was able. I actually woke up just in time to change my vote, logged on, clicked submit, and got a notification the thread was locked. Turns out the timezone math I did in my head was an hour off, I missed the deadline by a minute, and I felt like an idiot, though I can't prove any that to any of you.

[TheEsquire]

Alright, here again now that it's the weekend and work isn't shelling me with extra hours.

That's pretty much exactly what I was going to say. We had Mutley at L-1, but then, for whatever asinine reason, Malcolm decides to start a counter-wagon on Goat less than 24 hours before the deadline

even though he had made it abundantly clear that he was going to kill Goat during the night.

Why on Earth would you start a counter-wagon on a player that you intended to kill yourself? And hey, would you look at that -- there was only one kill last night, and it was from the Heyman Mafia (CM Punk's flavor).

How do you know that was a Heyman Mafia kill?

In the very same post he says it's CM Punk's flavour for the kill & reading back it makes sense for him to assume that.

just to expand on this Cm Punk's flavour he talks about, CM Punk is an associate of Paul Heyman in WWE (along with Brock Lesnar) and has a finisher called "go to sleep" - therefore the flavour of the kill suggests it was by Punk, because the rock was "put to sleep."

Oh duh, how did I miss that.

I missed it too. This was something I was going to ask about when I got a chance to post again, but that totally makes sense. Derp.

Why did you have Goat over mutley?

A lot of it had to do with Mutley only being around for part of the day when he replaced, and I still wasn't 100% sure on what to think of him yet. His actions are sporadic and all over the place and I can't get a solid read on him. For one, he keeps advocating his own lynch towards the end of the day, but then is against it. Maybe he was just trying to see who would take the easy bandwagon on him? Either way, I can't make heads or tails of his actions anymore, even after reading through his stuff again. It also seemed like a lot of people didn't actually think he was scummy, but they just wanted a lynch target.

At the time, I had a stronger scum read on The Goat (though Fuzzyman's was even stronger to me). He jumped all over the "day vig" by GCBC extremely quickly. Later he claimed he didn't buy it, and it was kind of a joke. I thought the same at first, but as the day went I began to think otherwise. There really wasn't a need to throw the vote down, and I feel like he was actually trying to get something started. After GCBC was day-killed and flipped Heyman, it quickly fizzled out but I still had my eye on him. When I saw the vote train begin on him for the end of day lynch, I figured it was a better place to vote. I thought more people would have switched from Mutley when they saw another choice and the lynch would go through but obviously that wasn't the case in the end :/


After ISO-ing Goat, I've noticed that Nero was all for the Goat lynch and was calling for his head almost the entire day. Now he's upset at people that agreed with what he thought and accusing them of being scum. To quip what you said to me when I said I'd be willing to change my vote off of Fuzzy to help ensure a no lynch wouldn't happen:

Why are you doing this if you want a fuzzy lynch?

Plus...

@ Darthe-goat is the better lynch me thinks but I don't see it going thought today.

Why did you vote for Mutley if you wanted a Goat lynch? People had started going for it hard at the end of the day, and if you had of pushed for it too it could have happened. And then why do you berate me for pushing for what I thought was the better of the two lynches when it appeared at the time it had a chance of going through?

[TheEsquire]

Except this lynch didn't have "no support". It had 7 votes on the thing. I thought more people would have gone after Goat when they say the train building steam so quickly, yourself included, and I agree that the no lynch situation is something that was horrible. Which is why when I came online the next morning and saw no one HAD jumped over after, I tried to hop over to the other wagon to prevent it, but failed miserably.

"Berate" wasn't the word I wanted in that sentence. "Question" would have been more appropriate. I didn't re-read the post so parts of it are a little wonky in hindsight

[TheEsquire]

I think the daykiller is scum.

Unvote:
Vote: Mutleyddc

Well, yeah. It's established in the opening post that the SHIELD are the bad guys, and the flavor text of all the daykills says SHIELD did it :/