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[The Goat]

Hi!

Random.org says

vote Desperado.

Discuss.

[The Goat]

Random.org

Lame.

It's my thing D1. Will give more input as the day continues.

I've had this argument repeatedly. In summary, if you do not like it, too bad.

[The Goat]

If it was rolefishing, it was very poorly and blatantly done, to the point that I do not find it a viable scumtell. I find those who would use that as an excuse to vote somewhat suspect.

In fact,

vote Squidward.

[The Goat]

Random.org

Lame.

It's my thing D1. Will give more input as the day continues.

I've had this argument repeatedly. In summary, if you do not like it, too bad.

You asked us to discuss. This sounds like you don't want to discuss after all.

Not at all. I merely gave a summary of previous discussions and their results to summarize things as best I could.

Do you feel we are beyond RVS?

[The Goat]

So anyone wanna kill Goat with me?

I can't determine which I find more amusing: The proposition, or the fact that everyone completely ignored it.

You've been active. I have not. I'd like to hear your early scumreads, and will do a thorough read in the next day or two. Work has really been a pain in the ass. In a lucrative way.

[The Goat]

nope!!! Your vote was scummy just like my vote on skull was scummy. Only scum can be scummy.

:blank stare:

[The Goat]

Raven: I don't really care for any of Goats 5 posts he was not posting here but still playing in his other gamea. Put your vote on him and lets see what he does.

If you read the game you're referring to, it's pretty damned evident I was phone posting and trying to prevent the town from doing something abysmally stupid.

For those who have commented on my slacking, I do that a lot on D1. The manic and outrageous finger-pointing and stick-poking wears on me, so, admittedly...I let others do it. I like to have fun on D1. I said I will analyze and post tomorrow. And I will.

FWIW, my early read on Nero is town.

My early read on GCBC is scum.

[The Goat]

Raven: I don't really care for any of Goats 5 posts he was not posting here but still playing in his other gamea. Put your vote on him and lets see what he does.

If you read the game you're referring to, it's pretty damned evident I was phone posting and trying to prevent the town from doing something abysmally stupid.

For those who have commented on my slacking, I do that a lot on D1. The manic and outrageous finger-pointing and stick-poking wears on me, so, admittedly...I let others do it. I like to have fun on D1. I said I will analyze and post tomorrow. And I will.

FWIW, my early read on Nero is town.

My early read on GCBC is scum.

Thank you, and I agree with your reads. I am not talking about my level of obsession but like, a few posts of reason and thoughts per real day.

Yah. Crazy work week.

I wanted to do a WWE-style dramatic entrance, anyway. You know, where my theme music blares while Nero is pontificating or something.

[The Goat]

I will not stop my activity. Although it will drop when my battery dies.

It will hurt town if you don't...

You complain about lurkers when you're making catching up way harder for them. If I was a day Vig, i'd kill you now. You piss me off.

In fact:

Vig: Sven

Good riddance.

This was the icing on the cake.

vote GCBC

[The Goat]

Sorry.

Unvote. Vote GCBC.

[The Goat]

Why are the cops scum? they are null on my radar

I was wondering this for a little bit, too...then I realized he's doing a couple little things that set off my scumdar. And he's doing them more than once.

1) Lots of little "this looks scummy" implications without actually pursuing them. Looks like planting seeds for later "I told you so" sort of stuff.

2) "Look at me! I'm scumhunting!" That one sets me off more than the first one.

[The Goat]

Alright, either that was a ruse or something else is going on here.

I don't think GCBC is a vig. I think he was being demonstrative.

[The Goat]

Whoa, I misinterpreted the Neutral claim badly lmao.

I still think that GCBC is acting passive-aggressive though.

What exactly is passive-aggressive about using his ability to kill someone? That's about as far as you can get from passive.

He's talking shit and he's obv scum.

---
@Goat - How is your first reaction to a Vig claim to vote the claimer?

1) Lots of little "this looks scummy" implications without actually pursuing them. Looks like planting seeds for later "I told you so" sort of stuff.

Makes sense!
This would only work if the people I was accusing were scum. Otherwise, how would I say told you so?

You weren't a vig.

I figured that out when the mod showed up, and the person you said to vig didn't die and stuff.

[The Goat]

I will not stop my activity. Although it will drop when my battery dies.

It will hurt town if you don't...

You complain about lurkers when you're making catching up way harder for them.

If I was a day Vig, i'd kill you now

. You piss me off.

In fact:

Vig: Sven

Good riddance.

Here's the other part that clued me in.

[The Goat]

Wow, has it been 48 hours already? I felt like it was just yesterday when I made my effort-post. Will read later today.

-Grazie

Welcome to the scum pile.

I'm pretty sue this is a bad call.

Focus.

[The Goat]

@Goat - Aren't you going to respond to me challenging your first point on why i'm scum? Do you agree that you doesn't make sense?
---

Please elucidate and be specific, and pretend I've had 17 beers. Because that's close to being accurate.

[The Goat]

I'm calling a bluff on Krab's part

He does scum AtE when his wagon builds up on him and he makes us think that he's has some kind of important role by soft-claiming before his wagon gets to L-2

You referring to post 730?

[The Goat]

Oy. I meant post 624...which happened at 7:30.

Did I mention I've had a lot of beer?

[The Goat]

Working under the assumption that there's someone who can do so...

...someone please keep an eye on Fun. for about the next six months.

[The Goat]

Working under the assumption that there's someone who can do so...

...someone please keep an eye on Fun. for about the next six months.

Now that you're (presumably) not drunk anymore, can you explain what the heck this means? Keep an eye on fun for six months? What?

Good God, I was drunk off my ass.

Was going back and forth between two games and listening to the Fun. album.

[The Goat]

lets get some votes on Goat.

vote:goat

I actually like you, but is there any chance at all you could pull your head out of vendettaland?

[The Goat]

Why would I have a vendetta against you?

As far as I can determine, this is the only reason you find me even remotely interesting.

1. Jebus

2. zachattack

3. ArcAngel9

4. Desperado

5. Squidward
6. Doctor C. Niall DeMencha
7. MalcomX
8. Krab Bucket

9. ferretlover

10. Ravenpaw

11. Amethyst Actor

12. Fuzzyman

13. Goodcopbadcop

14. FuDuzn

15. Skullduggery

16. MonkeyMan576

17. RATEDR (Vifam/SGRaaize_ Hydra)

18. TheEsquire

19. The Goat
20. Svenskt Stål

21. Nero Cain

Hrmmm...who do I want to policy lynch? Well I don't want to policy lynch myself so I'm out. I like the Jebus name, so he's out. Zack is supposed to be a pretty good player so he's out. Angel is a lot better than people give her credit for + she has a Tabret Bethell avatar. We are definitely keeping

THAT

around, so she's out. Desperado is new and I wouldn't want to kill him right off the bat so he's out. Kise is muy boi and he's a good scumhunter but bitch called me a garden tool and that's shits just inexcusable. He's in the running. Slot 5, 6 and 8 are silly gimmick hydra's. Do not mind killing those. I can live with loving pokemon and ferrets, he's out. RavenPaw sounds Indianish and I'm part Cherokee and we Indians gotta watch out for each other, she's out. I like MS and TAM, so they are out. Fuzzyman is tempting but there are better lynches. He's out. GoodcopBadcop is an obvious hydra gimmick alt (with Matt P?) I definitely want to kill that. FuDuzn made a funny so he's out. Punk Rock gurl is cool, she's out. The hate on Monkey is dumb, he's out. RatedR has Vifam in it.

VIFAM!!

and everyone should be ok with killing that but it has Graize in it, who wanted to play in this game so, against my better judgment, we'll let it live. TheEsq made a Cena crack so dude is cool in my book, he's out.

Goat threatened to put me through a table so lynching him would just be returning the favor in kind

. Sven seems like an irritating horny troll

AND

he uses images of the great Dean Winchester for his trolling purposes. The offences are too much.

At this point we have
Squidward
Doctor C.
MalcomX
Krab Bucket
goodcopbadcop
goat
sven

vote:sven

tonight I'm shooting all 4 gimmick hydra's and then tomorrow we'll day vig kise and lynch goat. Then, and only then, will we be ready to scumhunt.

[The Goat]

You honestly think RVS/obvious joke post would translate into a serious vote?

It's happened before. Not quite sure what your motivation is otherwise.

[The Goat]

@Goat - I mean, it would've been so easy for Bad cop to say "Oh ma gerd, I was so drunk when I made those posts". The drunk is excuse is a perfect excuse for scum.

In that case, I'm astonished you're acting so sober.

If you care to offer some analysis of what the hell I was rambling about, please feel free.

[The Goat]

In post 66 Goat votes for Squid for voting Monkey. Angel agreed with this and GCBC also voted Monkey so its some selective scumhunting.

In 494 he calls GCBC scum but waits until 553 to vote them.

Then in 663 he's claiming that I have a vendetta against him for an obvious joke post. I mean yuck.

Pretty much all his other posts are fluff. I want your top 4 scum reads.

Fair. Stand by.

[The Goat]

I need more coffee. I just posted this entire thing in another game.

lets get some votes on Goat.

vote:goat

To be fair, this is what raised my eyebrows as a "vendetta." Not just voting me, but calling for others to do so. Struck me as odd.

Why Goat again?

Why not Goat?

Then this exchange. Seemingly without reason, and reluctance to GIVE a reason.

Then in post 669, after I call you on it, you do this:

In post 66 Goat votes for Squid for voting Monkey. Angel agreed with this and GCBC also voted Monkey so its some selective scumhunting.

In 494 he calls GCBC scum but waits until 553 to vote them.

Then in 663 he's claiming that I have a vendetta against him for an obvious joke post. I mean yuck.

Pretty much all his other posts are fluff. I want your top 4 scum reads.

Again, I fluff on Day 1. Always have, always will.

Here's what I really dislike about your most recent quoted post - you're being very selective (if not flat-out lying) with your reasoning:

1) "In 494 he calls GCBC scum but waits until 553 to vote them. "

No kidding. Here's the actual post. I'm gonna bold a couple important parts.

Raven: I don't really care for any of Goats 5 posts he was not posting here but still playing in his other gamea. Put your vote on him and lets see what he does.

If you read the game you're referring to, it's pretty damned evident I was phone posting and trying to prevent the town from doing something abysmally stupid.

For those who have commented on my slacking, I do that a lot on D1. The manic and outrageous finger-pointing and stick-poking wears on me, so, admittedly...I let others do it. I like to have fun on D1.

I said I will analyze and post tomorrow. And I will.

FWIW, my early read on Nero is town.

My early read on GCBC

is scum.

The next day, as I said I would, I analyzed and posted. Here's post 553.

I will not stop my activity. Although it will drop when my battery dies.

It will hurt town if you don't...

You complain about lurkers when you're making catching up way harder for them. If I was a day Vig, i'd kill you now. You piss me off.

In fact:

Vig: Sven

Good riddance.

This was the icing on the cake.

vote GCBC

How on Earth is this not directly in response to something that happened BETWEEN my two posts? That's blatantly evident.

Nero, if you want to say, "I'm voting Goat and trying to get him to do something because he's being all fluffy", fine. It won't change my general D1 behavior, but I get it.

This just looks like you're making shit up, and made me tilt my head and wonder about your alignment for the first time.

That being said, thank you for asking for my top four reads, because it made me read.

My top four scumreads WERE GCBC, Desperado, Ferret, and Krab...but rereading and doing ISOs made me realize that I need to read this a little more thoroughly, because I didn't realize how diametrically opposed two of those scum reads are to the other two.

[The Goat]

...and here it is without the quotes, so it looks less stupid.

______________________

lets get some votes on Goat.

vote:goat

To be fair, this is what raised my eyebrows as a "vendetta." Not just voting me, but calling for others to do so. Struck me as odd.

Why Goat again?

Why not Goat?

Then this exchange. Seemingly without reason, and reluctance to GIVE a reason.

Then in post 669, after I call you on it, you do this:

In post 66 Goat votes for Squid for voting Monkey. Angel agreed with this and GCBC also voted Monkey so its some selective scumhunting.

In 494 he calls GCBC scum but waits until 553 to vote them.

Then in 663 he's claiming that I have a vendetta against him for an obvious joke post. I mean yuck.

Pretty much all his other posts are fluff. I want your top 4 scum reads.

Again, I fluff on Day 1. Always have, always will.

Here's what I really dislike about your most recent quoted post - you're being very selective (if not flat-out lying) with your reasoning:

1) "In 494 he calls GCBC scum but waits until 553 to vote them. "

No kidding. Here's the actual post. I'm gonna bold a couple important parts.

Raven: I don't really care for any of Goats 5 posts he was not posting here but still playing in his other gamea. Put your vote on him and lets see what he does.

If you read the game you're referring to, it's pretty damned evident I was phone posting and trying to prevent the town from doing something abysmally stupid.

For those who have commented on my slacking, I do that a lot on D1. The manic and outrageous finger-pointing and stick-poking wears on me, so, admittedly...I let others do it. I like to have fun on D1.

I said I will analyze and post tomorrow. And I will.

FWIW, my early read on Nero is town.

My early read on GCBC

is scum.

The next day, as I said I would, I analyzed and posted. Here's post 553.

I will not stop my activity. Although it will drop when my battery dies.

It will hurt town if you don't...

You complain about lurkers when you're making catching up way harder for them. If I was a day Vig, i'd kill you now. You piss me off.

In fact:

Vig: Sven

Good riddance.

This was the icing on the cake.

vote GCBC

How on Earth is this not directly in response to something that happened BETWEEN my two posts? That's blatantly evident.

Nero, if you want to say, "I'm voting Goat and trying to get him to do something because he's being all fluffy", fine. It won't change my general D1 behavior, but I get it.

This just looks like you're making shit up, and made me tilt my head and wonder about your alignment for the first time.

That being said, thank you for asking for my top four reads, because it made me read.

My top four scumreads WERE GCBC, Desperado, Ferret, and Krab...but rereading and doing ISOs made me realize that I need to read this a little more thoroughly, because I didn't realize how diametrically opposed two of those scum reads are to the other two.

[The Goat]

@Goat - Aren't you going to respond to me challenging your first point on why i'm scum? Do you agree that you doesn't make sense?
---

Please elucidate and be specific, and pretend I've had 17 beers. Because that's close to being accurate.

This ffs. Stop ignoring it.

I'm debating whether I believe your whole "this was only a test" thing, still.

[The Goat]

My top four scumreads WERE GCBC, Desperado, Ferret, and Krab...but rereading and doing ISOs made me realize that I need to read this a little more thoroughly, because I didn't realize how diametrically opposed two of those scum reads are to the other two.

Where is squid on this list?

Why is your RVS vote your #2 scumread?

Because of his follow of GCBC.

Again, the more I look at it, the more I'm starting to believe him.

[The Goat]

lets get some votes on Goat.

vote:goat

To be fair, this is what raised my eyebrows as a "vendetta." Not just voting me, but calling for others to do so. Struck me as odd.

Why Goat again?

Why not Goat?

Then this exchange. Seemingly without reason, and reluctance to GIVE a reason.

Are you serious here? You do know that you have to get others to join a wagon to secure a lynch, why you think that's scummy or "proof" of a vendetta is beyond me.

I also found it odd that in claiming I had a vendetta against you, you ignored post 415 which

DOES

list some early reasoning as to why I suspected you. Why did you instead claim that my RVS/joke post was my reasoning for the vendetta?

Just 'cause I didn't give my reasoning right off doesn't mean I wasn't. My asking Raven why I shouldn't suspect you is a pretty important question.

Then in post 669, after I call you on it, you do this:

In post 66 Goat votes for Squid for voting Monkey. Angel agreed with this and GCBC also voted Monkey so its some selective scumhunting.

In 494 he calls GCBC scum but waits until 553 to vote them.

Then in 663 he's claiming that I have a vendetta against him for an obvious joke post. I mean yuck.

Pretty much all his other posts are fluff. I want your top 4 scum reads.

Again, I fluff on Day 1. Always have, always will.

Here's what I really dislike about your most recent quoted post - you're being very selective (if not flat-out lying) with your reasoning:

1) "In 494 he calls GCBC scum but waits until 553 to vote them. "

No kidding. Here's the actual post. I'm gonna bold a couple important parts.

Raven: I don't really care for any of Goats 5 posts he was not posting here but still playing in his other gamea. Put your vote on him and lets see what he does.

If you read the game you're referring to, it's pretty damned evident I was phone posting and trying to prevent the town from doing something abysmally stupid.

For those who have commented on my slacking, I do that a lot on D1. The manic and outrageous finger-pointing and stick-poking wears on me, so, admittedly...I let others do it. I like to have fun on D1.

I said I will analyze and post tomorrow. And I will.

FWIW, my early read on Nero is town.

My early read on GCBC

is scum.

The next day, as I said I would, I analyzed and posted. Here's post 553.

I will not stop my activity. Although it will drop when my battery dies.

It will hurt town if you don't...

You complain about lurkers when you're making catching up way harder for them. If I was a day Vig, i'd kill you now. You piss me off.

In fact:

Vig: Sven

Good riddance.

This was the icing on the cake.

vote GCBC

Well first of all, I disagree that you sayin' "STOP PICKING ON ME!!!" is calling out my lack of reasoning against you. I also don't really think that coming in the next day and laying down a vote on your top suspect is "analyzing" anything. Considering that there's more than 1 scum in this game...your lack of motivation to hunt for scum is alarming.

[/quote]

Never said stop picking on me. Just found it odd.

And I would absolutely love to hunt for scum. Have I answered your questions to your satisfaction, or is there more minutia you'd like to discuss?

[The Goat]

Scum do fake claim drunk posting though.

Oh, shut up.

[The Goat]

Hello, I'm back. I have seen this stuff and have felt that the Krab wagon is unneeded. Goat, however, has been much worse.

If you're drunk, then don't play werewolf.

UNVOTE
VOTE: THE GOAT

You are staggeringly mistaken. Go to :sj: and ask.

If you desire, I can go get references.

[The Goat]

Read those posts over and it seems like it was legit drunkeness. The next time this happens, policy lynch *points to Goat*

You know who hides behind policy lynches?

Please. Pursue this.

[The Goat]

ok so you were actually drunk, just scum. Thanks for clearing that up.

Pretty sure what you meant to say was "weren't".

If you're going to be a jackass, please at least be grammatically correct and a jackass.

[The Goat]

My top four scumreads WERE GCBC, Desperado, Ferret, and Krab...but rereading and doing ISOs made me realize that I need to read this a little more thoroughly, because I didn't realize how diametrically opposed two of those scum reads are to the other two.

Where is squid on this list?

Why is your RVS vote your #2 scumread?

Because of his follow of GCBC.

Again, the more I look at it, the more I'm starting to believe him.

the fuck is this shit?!? Squid never voted for GCBC...nor did Despo.

None of this makes any sense what-so-ever. Can you explain this noobie style?

Hello, Nero.

Just out of curiosity...what color is the sky in your world?

My #2 scumread was Desperado. Please follow the "was" part.

Here's what I'm referring to as "his follow" of GCBC...because he followed GCBC:

It was a reaction test.

Ah, I see what you were doing. Combined with Krab's earlier association with ferret, I think I'm going to move here

Unvote: Ferret
Vote: Krab Bucket

You okay now?

[The Goat]

So snarky and defensive. Dude, you haven't provided ANY reads other than the ones in 697. So I'm going to ask you about the ones given.

I still think its silly of you to be giving Despo town cred for sheeping your #1 scumread.

Still doesn't explain why Squid is no longer a scum read.

I still don't follow you like at all, its like your bouncing here and there. Just w/e. Be sure to ask your scumbuddies to give you some help tonight.

Again.

Please try to listen...or at least think. I have explained, "noob style" as you sarcastically asked, why Desperado was a scum read at one point. I am, and will continue to,
look at what GCBC is doing to determine if I want to pursue it. I have not pursued Squidward because of his subsequent posts.

Let me put this you as you've put it to me:

Is this satisfactory for you, or do your scumbuddies want to try and frame someone else for shit they didn't do?

[The Goat]

Goat-You vote Squid despite having Angel and GCBC do the same thing (I.e;vote monkey) that Squid was "scummy" for.
I call you scum.
You call me town and GCBC scum.
You then vote GCBC for an obvious fake daykill possible vig/sk crumb.
I call you scum again and urge others to vote you.
You claim I have a vendetta against you.
I ask for your top 4 scum reads.
Your "old" list was CGBC, Despo, Ferret and Crab. So you dropped Squid 'cause you liked his other posts.
I ask you about your Despo read and you said that you liked his follow/sheep of your #1 scum read. You later get defensive and claim that you've explained why you had a Despo scum read but I don't see it.

Do you think this is an accurate portrayal? If not what am I wrong about?

Things you're wrong about:

1) I voted GCBC because of his over-the-top reaction to Sven, and suggesting that he be killed for making the game difficult. It was evident he wasn't a vig.
2) You're mistaking irritation for defensiveness.

I'm done with answering you on these...because it seems that's all I'm doing at this point is responding to you badgering me. Vote as you wish.

[The Goat]

@Goat
absta101 wrote:
Goat wrote:
1) Lots of little "this looks scummy" implications without actually pursuing them. Looks like planting seeds for later "I told you so" sort of stuff.
This would only work if the people I was accusing were scum. Otherwise, how would I say told you so?
This, FFS, THIS!
Your point doesn't make much sense to me.

How can one possibly know if they're scum or not scum on Day One, with the exception of being scumbuddies? This is why I said

for later

"I told you so" sort of stuff.

[The Goat]

If you were drunk then why be on the internet in the first place.

You also said "it reflects bad on your alignment", which makes it sound like your already know my alignment. Explain?

Okay, seriously.

I cannot tell if you're a Mormon or a Moron, but you should probably stop this. If ANYTHING, you should encourage drunk posting. Why? Because people make stupid mistakes when they're drunk, like scumslipping.

Your pursuit of me based on my playing while inebriated is silly. I enjoy having fun sober. I enjoy having fun while drinking. I am a remarkably responsible person in both states, and drinking makes me no more likely to be scum than playing while sober.

Your implication that one should not bother being on the Internet while drunk is condescending and dismissive.

Please knock it off.

[The Goat]

Gonna ISO Krab. Back soon.

[The Goat]

And Town will make scumslips too if they are drunk and not careful, so that degrades your point.

You and I differ in opinion on what a "scumslip" is, then. I would think that one would have to be scum to scumslip. Perhaps I'm using terminology I lack expertise with, but I think you know what I mean.

[The Goat]

I was just saying my opinion on it. I don't like the idea of alcohol in general, but I would stay away from the internet iff I was drunk.

You and I differ. For what its worth, e-mail and texting are off limits if I get drunk. But the Internet is a fun place while drinking. At least for me.

[The Goat]

In what will likely be an unpopular statement...

...I do not support the Krab wagon.

[The Goat]

He doesn't have many posts. Have you looked?

[The Goat]

Also, Vifam. Not much has changed since you left, at least not in my opinion

Don't you have a QT to mention this in?

Okay, perhaps I am missing something here but from my read of the game it doesn't seem that we have any sort of clear direction thus far. I mean, yeah it is day one but we should at least be involved with one another rather than certain groups on other groups right?

I have absolutely no idea what this is saying at all. Find scum.

In what will likely be an unpopular statement...

...I do not support the Krab wagon.

Why did you think this would be unpopular?

Because he's the LVG.

[The Goat]

And? Only 7 of us are voting him. There are 21 players. If anything it might be more popular to be against a Krab lynch, not for it. "Because he is the largest vote getter" is not a legitimate response to "why would that be unpopular?"

I disagree, and fail to see why the comment is a sticking point.

If you'd like me to flesh it out a little further, I dislike the question that some are asking, and using it to further a lynch. IMO, the question shouldn't be "why

isn't

player X scum." The question should be "why

is

player X scum."

I can understand if there are several players one has as a suspect, and voting for the scummiest. I just don't see it with Krabs.

[The Goat]

If those are my only two options then I'm against. I'm not in favor of indefinitely extending the day...I think the other 19 of us should be able to figure something out without potentially holding D1 up forever.

*makes a squidgy face*

I can definitely see why everyone found this post to be scummy. It was the first sentence that made me close one eye like Popeye and say "wat?"

[The Goat]

Kise: On a scale of 1-10 how much do you think Goat is scum?

When I want to lynch someone, 10.

I told you Goat will vanish overnight

. Where is your faith?

ORLY?

[The Goat]

You guys act like you've never been wrong about someone being town. Someone else asked and it hasn't been answered...why is Krabs town?

There are theories going around as to what scum may or may not be doing in this situation. How about some facts? Like Krabs' contradictory patterns?

I really dislike this post.

Malcolm, you're using the point being debated as factual evidence that Krabs is scum, and look like you're setting up a precedent to refer to if Krab flips town.

[The Goat]

unvote, vote Malcolm.

[The Goat]

Jesus.

Desperado, you're setting of my scumdar in horrific ways, but I can't figure out if it's because of the way you're phrasing things.

Your suggestion that KrabMutley's claim of a non PR "removes an obstacle to being lynched" is just so staggeringly bad it makes me want to claw my eyes out. In no way, shape or form does someone not being a PR make it acceptable for them to be lynched as town.

Therefore the question becomes "do I believe KrabMutley?"

And, yes, I do. I view Krab's "I might as well claim" depressed departure as genuine.

Vote stays.

[The Goat]

Goat, you just aren't reading my posts or interactions with anyone then.

Sven brought up that defense first. He made it an obstacle. "We can't just lynch Krab because he might be a PR" is what Sven said. Are you following me?

So now Mutley has claimed that he is not a PR, he is a VT. Therefore, the obstacle that Sven created ("he might be a PR!") is no longer valid. Do you get it?

Where did I say it is acceptable to lynch someone who is town because they are not a PR? I think Krab is scum. His claiming VT has literally no effect on my read, while had he claimed a PR, it very well could have. Are you saying this is unusual?

Will reread.

Again, it may be how you phrase things.

[The Goat]

Goat, you just aren't reading my posts or interactions with anyone then.

Sven brought up that defense first. He made it an obstacle. "We can't just lynch Krab because he might be a PR" is what Sven said. Are you following me?

So now Mutley has claimed that he is not a PR, he is a VT. Therefore, the obstacle that Sven created ("he might be a PR!") is no longer valid. Do you get it?

Where did I say it is acceptable to lynch someone who is town because they are not a PR?

I think Krab is scum.

His claiming VT has literally no effect on my read, while had he claimed a PR, it very well could have. Are you saying this is unusual?

You very well may have stated why you find this. If you can, please link or summarize. If no, I will look.

[The Goat]

oo oo oo Despo and Goat are gonna distance from each other.

This would be awesome if I hadn't listed Despo as one of my earliest scum reads. You didn't like that. I didn't change it. You didn't like that. I didn't give a shit. Then I stated that I really didn't like ANOTHER of his posts. He asked me to read. I said I would. You snuck in and stated that I was now trying to DISTANCE myself from Despo.

This may be the dumbest accusation I've seen outside of a Jim Carrey movie.

In any instance, I've seen enough. I have utterly had enough of you and your stupidity.

Unvote, vote Nero Cain.

Eat it, scumbag.

[The Goat]

And...by the way, Nero...did you not like where I was on the GCBC wagon? JUST CHECKING.

[The Goat]

i just saw the vote and went "wtf lol scum obv"...

But goat, your post is kinda good, but for the love of god unvote

Explain.

[The Goat]

That just increased my scumread on Goat^

If there was any way to give less of a shit...I would.

[The Goat]

(If it were not evident, I'm utterly tired of Nero being a fucking moron. He's single-handedly deceasing my interest in this game.)

[The Goat]

i just saw the vote and went "wtf lol scum obv"...

But goat, your post is kinda good, but for the love of god unvote

Explain.

Explain what?

Why nero is town?

Yes.

[The Goat]

Goat, I am not explaining why perhaps the most town friendly player in the lineup is town.

Now if this is spite then so be it... but you are the one that has to bring the reasoning here.

But I strongly urge you to ignore nero for awhile and do something constructive

Amazingly, I would say this exact same thing to Nero...about me.

[The Goat]

thats some elite qouteing.

i couldnt follow everything in that post... somone asked someone to claim...and someone thinks its scummy or not scummy

to clarify, I asked Petapan what he thought of Despo's reaction the the fake vig. Petapan says he has a scum read on Despo for asking you (Sven) to claim. Despo clarifies that he didn't ask you to claim. I want to know why peta though it was scummy of Despo to ask you to claim but it was not scummy to ask GCBG to claim

(If it were not evident, I'm utterly tired of Nero being a fucking moron. He's single-handedly deceasing my interest in this game.)

Why are you being a baby? I suspect you, big deal. Even if I'm annoying you (wich I don't see HOW I'm doing so) and your plan is to try and get me lynched for it.....do you really expect me to feel good about your slot when we are 50 pages in and you want a pl?

I quite sincerely don't give a shit about you suspecting me. It just baffles me that you select random points to say "Nah. Vote Goat. Let's get him lynched" for apparently arbitrary reasons.

That's why I suspect you. It just doesn't make any SENSE. I always...ALWAYS...just observe on Day 1, and post fluff. I have stated this, and done it, in almost every game I've played on this site. You've taken exception to this, and seem intent on pushing that to the nth degree.

If anything, YOU are the one pursuing a PL.

[The Goat]

goat, you will never win this fight vs nero, going at him. he has done to much for town.

what you can do is to work on the game, if nero is a legit suspect of yours then i sudgest switching to your second suspect.

It ain't about winning or losing the fight with me. It's the principle.

That being said, I'll be back in a bit.

[The Goat]

My level of irritation with this game is to the point that I'm tunneling on certain people and not behaving pro-town. Gonna step back and reread from the beginning.

[The Goat]

ehumm, pretty sure me and nero are just having fun here bro.

this. Though I actually do think its pretty obvious that heymans are a scum faction but still...its not something we should be discussing. Lets talk about who we will lynch.

I will also lay out my Goat case and I want comments on it to see if I am unfairly tunneling town or if his "oh you suspect me!!! I hate this game" hissy fit is an scum ATE.

For what it's worth, it was more of a "wtf is your problem, you tool" reaction than a hissy fit. Probably difficult to differentiate without enough feedback from me.

I'm generally going to disregard you for a couple days to see if that helps.

And Sven, to answer your question, expect feedback at some point in time tomorrow night. Mother's Day wasn't particularly conducive to analysis.

[The Goat]

You can't just "disregard" someone in a game like Mafia.

You have to read everything and make logical, educated decisions. If you just "disregard" Nero because he suspects you then you will definitely be seen as scum.

Wanna bet?

I'm gonna chill out for a couple days, like I said. You and he got under my skin.

[The Goat]

Jesus Christ, stop being such a fucking baby, Goat.

And people wonder why I'm going to disregard you for a bit. Ya know, at some point, the rest of the town is going to realize you're precipitating a lot of this by being a dick. I was tunneling on you and ferret because you pissed me off. I have realized this, and that it was not pro-town. I'll get back to you shortly.

Oh, and if I were to use lurking as a strategy, I wouldn't type anything.

[The Goat]

unvote

[The Goat]

Home, eating, and will answer all questions tonight. It may involve alcohol.

I plan to come busting through the wall like the Shockmaster.

Bonus points to those who get that reference.

[The Goat]

I never said

definitely

...

It also didn't seem like bickering to me. It seemed like an argument, which is different.

Interesting.

[The Goat]

Ferret, you've played at :sj:? You've made a couple Werewolf references. Doing an ISO of you, you look like you're trying to start "flavor of the day" wagons..."let's lynch this guy!" "No, let's lynch this guy!"

Not damning, but definitely interesting.

[The Goat]

Who jumped on GCBC right after he made his "dayvig"? Desperado, Krab, and The Goat. There is Shield scum in that trio. Guaranteed.

You need to read more carefully. I specifically stated that there was no way GCBC was a vig.

In post 1444, The Goat wrote:
Oh, and if I were to use lurking as a strategy, I wouldn't type anything.

That wine was tasty. Thank you.

Outstanding. I hope it went well with all the cheese in that post.

Post 1396 locks Skull in as solid town in my eyes.

[The Goat]

Sven: I urge you to take the advice you gave me with Nero, and apply it to your interaction with Desperado.

[The Goat]

So you don't dispute that this playerbase has shown an inability to reach consensus (thus making it likely that we will approach the deadline), in which case mutley opportunistically voting an easy target now when that target could realistically become a viable candidate in that situation is scummy, but somehow I'm anti-town for "creating chaos" that we all already know exists?

How am I creating the chaos if you don't dispute that the situation I'm describing is likely to occur?

I didnt even realise ferret was an easy target he from when I have joined is my biggest scum read.

We need to find a lynch target!

I will even lynch myself instead of a no lynch

Unvote, vote Mutley.

More on you in a sec. Something you did doesn't vibe at all with something your predecessor did.

[The Goat]

I much rather do Goat than Fuzzy.

*blank stare*

[The Goat]

Malcolm, you have not once, not twice, but three times, alluded to, or flat-out stated..that you're killing me tonight.

I like that...as of this past Friday...you've actually stated cases for why people are scum, instead of just criticizing others. But I really wanted to bold the above. You know...in case I end up dead.

[The Goat]

Hello all, replacing in, won't be able to properly catch up until tomorrow. So if someone wants to give me any recap too I would be grateful

Oh brilliant lol. Any reason why I am scummy. Sorry I haven't read through yet haven't quite got the time to read 40 pages so for tonight I can intermittently post answers etc! Should have probably let me replace squid and lynched krab!! Might have been best for the town. I suppose I should claim. I am VT

Kofi Kingston at that! Didnt even see that bit in the PM. Was wondering as I posted why I wasn't a WWE superstar.

@skullduggery because I don't read properly and my eyes on focused in the Big bold letters. Then I carried on. Didnt read any more didnt need to know anymore. Then when I claimed I thought I wonder why we aren't wrestler names. Then I looked back and read properly.

Do people actually do that give scum safe claims?? That's just crap if that happens

This is the sequence that doesn't jive with me. Come in, say you won't be able to catch up until the following day, then ask for reasons you're scummy, then claim VT, and miss the role name.

Here's WHY it doesn't jive with me.

Sorry for my outburst there, I have major depression, tends to flip-flop my moods a lot.
I doubt I can contribute today,

but I'm going to try and fight my corner tomorrow.

~Krabs

To me, this looks as though Krabs was gonna claim a PR, and was trying to buy himself some time. I believe his "depression quit" was genuine, but the more I look at his ISO, the more I think it was because he was aggravated that he was going to have to come up with a fakeclaim.

[The Goat]

Who jumped on GCBC right after he made his "dayvig"? Desperado, Krab, and The Goat. There is Shield scum in that trio. Guaranteed.

You need to read more carefully. I specifically stated that there was no way GCBC was a vig.

OK.....? I don't understand what that has to do with anything.

Here's the whole post.

Something else to consider. The Shield team knew that they had a dayvig shot at their disposal (possibly more than one), so how do you suppose they would have reacted when GCBC announced his bogus dayvig of Sven? They would have known right away that he was a member of the opposing Scum team. ("If our Scum group has a dayvig, then the other Scum group must have one as well" or something along those lines.) They would have immediately realized that they needed to get rid of him, so it would make sense for them to try to discredit him, right?

Who jumped on GCBC right after he made his "dayvig"? Desperado, Krab, and The Goat. There is Shield scum in that trio. Guaranteed.

Skull's implication was that I believed GCBC's dayvig claim. This is simply not true.

[The Goat]

What's SJ?

SJ = Packmentality.net.

Probably the most popular Werewolf site on the net.

[The Goat]

1) Goat is playing on cruise control. He should not be excused and that's a dangerous mistake for any of us to pardon.

Just out of curiosity, did you post this in a vacuum? And if your biggest criticism is that I'm playing on cruise control, you really need to look at a few other people.

More on this in just a sec.

[The Goat]

Hey.

Jebus.

...is it STILL Finals week? Because you've had five posts in the past week.

[The Goat]

Ferret, you've played at :sj:? You've made a couple Werewolf references.

Aha, so it was ferret!

....

What's the format over there - just werewolf? Both werewolf and mafia multiball? I was confused earlier when he referred to this as werewolf as I've only played mafia AND werewolf, hence why I thought he may have slipped that this was multiball.

Just werewolf. Few multiball games.

[The Goat]

[Kise]

Can you guys stop making assumptions? That goes for all of you.

@Goat, you are confusing "biggest criticism" with "

one

of the things I find scummy about this player".
How do you feel you have helped progress the game over the past 2 weeks?

I'm responding to your most recent post, and I'm pretty clearly trying to rectify the lack of progress I've offered the past couple weeks.

That okay?

[The Goat]

Who jumped on GCBC right after he made his "dayvig"? Desperado, Krab, and The Goat. There is Shield scum in that trio. Guaranteed.

You need to read more carefully. I specifically stated that there was no way GCBC was a vig.

OK.....? I don't understand what that has to do with anything.

Here's the whole post.

Something else to consider. The Shield team knew that they had a dayvig shot at their disposal (possibly more than one), so how do you suppose they would have reacted when GCBC announced his bogus dayvig of Sven? They would have known right away that he was a member of the opposing Scum team. ("

If our Scum group has a dayvig, then the other Scum group must have one as well

" or something along those lines.) They would have immediately realized that they needed to get rid of him, so it would make sense for them to try to discredit him, right?

Who jumped on GCBC right after he made his "dayvig"?

Desperado, Krab, and The Goat. There is Shield scum in that trio. Guaranteed.

Skull's implication was that I believed GCBC's dayvig claim. This is simply not true.

eh.....I don't exactly read it that way. It seems she's accusing one of you three of being shield scum who thought that GCBC was scum and had a daykill too.

How do you not read it as that? Look at the bolded.

[The Goat]

She accused the team of having a dayvig, she didn't say that any of you three had to be a day vig. Are you a killing role?

Please read again. Nowhere did I suggest that she said I was a day vig.

Also...seriously? Are you rolefishing?

[The Goat]

you're right, I read that wrong.....its a silly assumption from Skull and a huge stretch. But what's wrong with her not liking ya'lls reactions?

Not a thing. I just asked her to read more. I didn't go after GCBC because I believed his dayvig claim, and that was (apparently) the basis for her suspicion.

[The Goat]

Well, if you're Scum, what you say may not necessarily be the same as what you believe. Perhaps you just said that you didn't believe GCBC's bogus vig because you needed a good reason to vote for him -- and you couldn't very well say that it was because you were rival Scum, right?

I don't think I was the first person on that wagon. If I needed a reason, voting him "because I thought he was a dayvig" was right there.

It's more semantics than anything, but I dislike being pigeonholed for something I didn't do.

[The Goat]

I dislike the AA votes.

The "multiball" mistake looks to me as though it's too damned evident to be a scumslip. It looks more like he didn't read or do any research.

[The Goat]

You did vote for GCBC right after the fake vig, though. There's no denying that. The issue here is why you did that. I suspect that you did it because you're Shield scum and you seized the opportunity to lynch a member of the rival Scum team. Yes, you can say that you voted for GCBC for a multitude of reasons, but I have no way of peering into your mind and seeing your true intentions, do I? (Unfortunately, I lost my mind-reading abilities a few years back in a severe gardening accident. Very tragic. Lots of blood.) All I can do is view the action itself, draw conclusions from it, and try to find the motivation behind it. That's what I'm doing now.

I have no issues with this. You're wrong about my motivation and my alignment, but I understand your thinking.

[The Goat]

VOTE: the goat

I see.

Well, I'm glad I listened to you, ignored Nero, worked on the game, and tried to be constructive.

[The Goat]

VOTE: THE GOAT

Any old train will do, huh?

I'm starting to understand your nickname.

[The Goat]

Bah, I was hoping I'd beat the prod. Turned into a busy weekend and I didn't have time to catch up 30+ pages of Mafia. Heavy reading time now.

Careful now. You'll get accused of using lurking as a playstyle.

[The Goat]

Please humor me and explain exactly why you voted for GCBC after his fake day-vig. You've made it clear that you didn't believe that his vig was real, but that still doesn't explain why you voted for him.

I voted him because of he suggested that someone who was clearly behaving in a pro-town manner needed to die. He basically said "I want Sven dead because he's posting too much and making it hard for people who aren't participating to catch up."

Pretty sure I responded BEFORE the mod showed up.

[The Goat]

So? You said yourself that you didn't believe him, so in your mind, Sven was never in danger. You voted for GCBC even though you were already sure that GCBC never posed a threat to Sven?

Considering the two scenarios I presented in my previous post, what was the intended result of your vote? Where did you see it going?

Again, my vote had nothing to do with believing/not believing he was the vig. I was voting him because of what I saw as a scummy action, not to try and protect Sven somehow.

[The Goat]

I like that...as of this past Friday...you've actually stated cases for why people are scum, instead of just criticizing others. But I really wanted to bold the above. You know...in case I end up dead.

Why? Do you assume that as scum we would nightkill you?

*blank stare*

No. It's just that you keep saying that you're going to kill me. It makes me uneasy.

I really didn't like this post, however. If you're going to rolefish with a Goat, try using something bright and shiny, like a tin can.

[The Goat]

VOTE: the goat

I see.

Well, I'm glad I listened to you, ignored Nero, worked on the game, and tried to be constructive.

I would have liked malcolm or Ametysth better, but the wagons are you or mutley so I have to pick between you.

Quite contradictory to what you were saying not too long ago, when you were trying to get a wagon going on Malcolm, but...okay.

[The Goat]

The amished tell is a mixed bag since I've seen both town and scum flip for it. We're killing Goat today, end of story.

:smh:

Hey, as long as you're not fixated or tunneling or anything.

[The Goat]

Anyway.

While I'm a huge fan of progress, I'm much more in favor of trying to lynch scum than settle for an "easy" lynch. I've given my main reason for my Mutley vote, but the more I analyze it, the more I realize it's not my strongest scumread.

I'm going to go back to my strongest scum read. Yes, I realize that this puts me farther out front as the leading wagon. Don't much care...gonna do what I think is the right play.

Unvote, vote Malcolm

Nero, do as you will. Your self appointment as "town leader" has disaster written all over it.

[The Goat]

Woah, what the fuck just happened here?

No cults. No bastard modding. No jesters. No lynchers.

yes, I'm john Cena-compulsive lyncher. I have a new target and I must get them lynched each day or I loose. Today my target is Goat so pls help me fulfill part of my wincon.

Unvote

Vote: Nero Cain

Pretty sure he was kidding.

[The Goat]

Also pretty sure that me defending something Nero did is like SCSA defending Vince McMahon at this point.

(No, that is not a claim of any density. I'm working with the WWE theme.)

[The Goat]

Hey goat good timing!! Why are so many uptight in this game

I've been as guilty as any of that. Trying to be more amusing and less abrasive.

[The Goat]

Can we kill ferret yet?

Not my strongest scumread. Dislike his hop onto my wagon right after Sven, but I'm gonna stay with Malcolm.

[The Goat]

Thing is, I agree more with xMALCOLMx than Goat here: going on about how you could be dead and so you have to emphasize your points doesn't track. If you flip town, either post-lynch or via NK, at some point people are going to look back to determine what motivation might have existed. Fear-mongering doesn't make things more valid. It does make you look like you're pretending to run scared.

I didn't really put that much thought into my reaction. How would YOU react if someone kept saying that they were going to make you dead tonight?

[The Goat]

I should really put my vote on goat. To even us up but I like him, goats are funny so I feel bad.

We're already even. Nero's VC is wrong. I'm not voting for you right now.

[The Goat]

There's something that's bothering me a lot in this game thus far, and I figure I might as well flesh it out now.

It seems that some in this game are ready to lynch people because of their playstyle rather than their scumminess.

In brief: "I want to lynch Player X because they're posting fluff."

Player X: "I always fluff on Day 1. THere's not nearly as much to go on."

Player Y: "I don't like that. In principle,

vote Player X.

Player X: "I've already told you that's what I do on Day 1."

Player Y: "Fine. Then I'm going to try to get you lynched for it."

Bothers the hell out of me.

[The Goat]

You know what bothers the hell out of me? People who use meta to wave away any incriminating behavior that they exhibit. Meta isn't a magic wand that you can twirl around in the air to transform all your poor actions into good actions. You might as well be saying that your meta is the only reason people are suspicious of you right now. "Don't vote for me because I've been scummy! That's just my meta!"

Give me a friggin' break.

That's not even close to what I'm saying, and you know it.

What I'm saying is that I feel as though people are voting for me

because they don't like the way I play.

It bothers me. I'm sorry if you don't like that I said it, but last I checked, I have a right to.

Or...wait. What are you gonna do...vote for me HARDER?

Give me a break.

[The Goat]

Maybe I'm being obtuse, but this is something that probably goes back farther than this game.

I absolutely cannot stand the "you're not pushing people, or trying to analyze minutia, or calling someone scum because they forgot to use an apostrophe on Day One" line of thinking.

Posting fluff is

absolutely/i] a viable way to catch scum. You know why?

Because scum love to latch on to stupid excuses to try to lynch people. SPECIFICALLY on Day One.

To that end, I absolutely guarantee you that there are scum on my wagon right now. Please, I beg of you. Do an ISO on Malcolm.

[The Goat]

Enhance your calm, goatface. Dr. Shelby is gonna make us hug it out if we keep this up, and I don't want to do that because you smell funny.

Okay, how about this. Krab Bucket was ludicrously scummy, and Mutley hasn't done much to change that. That slot needs to die. If Malcolm really is a Vigilante or whatever he's been hinting at, it sounds like he intends to solve our Goat problem tonight. I'll switch my vote over to Mutley to lend my support to that wagon.

If Malcolm shoots you tonight and you happen to flip Town, I promise I'll put on my singlet, lace up my boots, slather myself in way too much baby oil, and do battle with Malcolm tomorrow. Sound good?

Now you're just flirting.

Deal.

[The Goat]

change it or accept that you're going to spend a lot of time on defense. Like I said, my vote's not going there, but I'm not inclined to grump at people if he ends up being lynched.

I'm a tad stubborn.

[The Goat]

Enhance your calm, goatface. Dr. Shelby is gonna make us hug it out if we keep this up, and

I don't want to do that because you smell funny

.

Actually, back that train up a sec, manipulation nation. Have you LOOKED at your avatar? You look like you would smell of a a hodgepodge of patchouli, vanilla, and death.

[The Goat]

This is the part where I yell at the player list again for sitting around with their thumbs up their butts while the deadline is looming. Today is Thursday. The deadline for day one is Saturday. That's the day after tomorrow. I do not want day one to end in a no-lynch, and if you're Town, I don't think you do either.

If your vote is not on Mutley or Goat, move it. Those are our two choices for today, so pick one and vote for the scoundrel of your choice.

@Marangal, I will very soon.

Why is it a bad thing for you to

bus your partner

vote for Mutley now but it's perfectly okay to vote for Mutley "soon"? If Mutley is your #1 Scum read, then vote for him. What are you waiting for, an embroidered invitation?

I am sad because of those who refused to help create a better option.

That being said,

unvote, vote Mutley

, because I'm not suicidal.

[The Goat]

I will also lay out my Goat case and I want comments on it to see if I am unfairly tunneling town or if his "oh you suspect me!!! I hate this game" hissy fit is an scum ATE.

By the way...when exactly were you going to get to this?

[The Goat]

idk, I think I'll just wait till the next day 'cause were are at 67 pages and if Mutley dies over you, well, who cares. I won't shed a tear. ok maybe 1 or 2.

Heh.

Fair enough.

[The Goat]

I'm going to go back to my strongest scum read. Yes, I realize that this puts me farther out front as the leading wagon. Don't much care...gonna do what I think is the right play.

This is so survivalistic, so town, so amazing!
Wow, I don't see how anyone can vote Goat now.

...is that what you expected to hear? What's the point of the second sentence?

i like how malcolm went quiet once the wagpn dropped and that he has since then done zilch.

I think I went quiet when I logged out and became a real person again.

That being said, unvote, vote Mutley, because I'm not suicidal.

What happened to you being the hero and taking me out once and for all?

How would you propose I do that last bit? I don't suppose you could be talked into killing yourself tonight?

Way to leave out the part where I said that I was sad because nobody would help lynch you. That doesn't make you look scumtastic at ALL.

[The Goat]

Probably just going to kill Goat tonight. Or tomorrow.

Vote: Mutley

Then by all means, be prepared to deal with Skull when I flip town. Either do it or shut up about it, mkay?

[The Goat]

How would you propose I do that last bit? I don't suppose you could be talked into killing yourself tonight?

By making a case and actually trying to get me lynched instead of just going "I'm going to vote my heart. Vote: Malcolm" and then doing approximately nothing.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Malcolm. You're aware that you spent a huge chunk of D1 doing nothing other than criticizing others, right?

Regarding my case, 1043, 1504 and 1588 are what I pulled up quickly. Phone posting ATM.

[The Goat]

Unvote, Vote: The Goat

Then by all means, be prepared to deal with Skull when I flip town. Either do it or shut up about it, mkay?

I'm not afraid of Skull. I'm also trying to figure out whether you're townish or not for your ridiculous reaction to my threats, but I'm not making much progress.

Oh. Well, okay then. I'll dismiss you promising everyone that you'll kill me as childishness. Better now?

[The Goat]

You guys act like you've never been wrong about someone being town. Someone else asked and it hasn't been answered...why is Krabs town?

There are theories going around as to what scum may or may not be doing in this situation. How about some facts? Like Krabs' contradictory patterns?

I really dislike this post.

Malcolm, you're using the point being debated as factual evidence that Krabs is scum, and look like you're setting up a precedent to refer to if Krab flips town.

Malcolm, you have not once, not twice, but three times, alluded to, or flat-out stated..that you're killing me tonight.

I like that...as of this past Friday...you've actually stated cases for why people are scum, instead of just criticizing others. But I really wanted to bold the above. You know...in case I end up dead.

I like that...as of this past Friday...you've actually stated cases for why people are scum, instead of just criticizing others. But I really wanted to bold the above. You know...in case I end up dead.

Why? Do you assume that as scum we would nightkill you?

*blank stare*

No. It's just that you keep saying that you're going to kill me. It makes me uneasy.

I really didn't like this post, however. If you're going to rolefish with a Goat, try using something bright and shiny, like a tin can.

This is a very weak case.

Sorry you feel that way.

[The Goat]

Hypocrisy, thy name is Malcolm. You're aware that you spent a huge chunk of D1 doing nothing other than criticizing others, right?

That's not how I'm remembering it. That's not what's happening now.

Oh. Well, okay then. I'll dismiss you promising everyone that you'll kill me as childishness. Better now?

Is that better for you? Will it reassure you as you're singing your sad song from the grave?

I'm sorry, is this the part where you prefer that I react in what you view as "a ridiculous manner", or dismiss you as being childish. Please pick one.

[The Goat]

lynch goat already >:0

He was at L-1 and we need a lynch because of the damn deadline.

You are confused. I was not at L-1. Mutt was.

[The Goat]

Vote: xMalcolmx

I'm putting the NL on him.

Why are they more to blame then Esq, Darthe, Peta?

I also think its lame and scummy for you to blame Malcolm for the votes on Goat from the above 3.

*suspicious look*

You're not scummy after all, are you?

Nero, what is YOUR read on Malcolm? I think he's scummy as hell, and his read on me has nothing to do with that.

[The Goat]

hello everyone.

i am pretty sure that if there is no one with 11 votes before deadline then majority will rule, meaning that the person with the most votes will be lynched.

Good job lynching mutley btw, yeah he really seems scummy.

sven you are a competent enough player and I'm sure you have played alot of games here where the etiquette is "you must reach the majority..."

so what in hell's name gave you this idea?

FWIW, your quoted Sven post freaked me the hell out as well.

The only valid explanation is that he preferred a no lynch over lynching Mutley.

[The Goat]

Don't get your hopes up with that Jebus vote, Mac. Just wait for that lurking sack of crap to get replaced by someone who will actually play the game.

so bad that the Day 1 lynch didn't go through...

No. Absolutely not. You do

not

get to lament the day ending in a no-lynch when you didn't even vote for anybody. You're part of the problem. Either start playing the game or replace out.

Yes it is a real question. Everyone is raving about how bad it is and I'm not sure about the full effects of it.

The only two deaths in the game thus far have been caused by Scum. Lynching other players is the only way for Town to assert some sort of control. I don't know about you, but I don't want to sit here and let the Scum players decide who lives and who dies. We have no chance of winning this game unless we lynch Scum. No-lynches must be avoided.

I can't wait for the time you see I'm not scum.

Never heard Scum say

that

before.

Vote: xMalcolmx

I'm putting the NL on him. Mutley was at 10 votes and almost certain to be hammered, until Malcolm unvoted to vote Goat, who had 2 votes on him at the time. So instead of it being mutley 10, Goat 2 with eight chances to hammer mutley, it was mutley 9, Goat 3 and then mutley, darthe, esquire, and peta all voted Goat when there was literally no chance of that lynch ever going through. They would have needed all four of Jebus, Arc, fuzzy, and Rated to join them, and that just wasn't going to happen in less than 24 hours.

Darn it, Desperado, you stole my thunder, you jerk.

That's pretty much exactly what I was going to say. We had Mutley at L-1, but then, for whatever asinine reason, Malcolm decides to start a counter-wagon on Goat less than 24 hours before the deadline

even though he had made it abundantly clear that he was going to kill Goat during the night.

Why on Earth would you start a counter-wagon on a player that you intended to kill yourself? And hey, would you look at that -- there was only one kill last night, and it was from the Heyman Mafia (CM Punk's flavor). Where is Malcolm's kill? Maybe it never existed because he's lying out his teeth.

VOTE: xMALCOLMx

Malcolm, I think you need to come clean. I have two questions for you:
1.) Are you a Vigilante?
2.) Did you try to kill Goat last night?

There is a third question, but it will depend on the answers you give to these two.

See...the only down side to all of this is that there's no baby oil and a singlet.

Anyway, Malcolm pretty much talked himself into a corner. Not sure what it was all about, but I'd like to hear more from him.

[The Goat]

Okay.

This is a question that's been bouncing around in my head for a couple days. It just doesn't make sense to me.

I get the benefit of a NL to scum. I understand it.

What freaks me the hell out is...what is the benefit of a NL to scum...if Mutley ISN'T scum? And is Mutley IS scum...WHY THE HELL DID HE CAMPAIGN SO HARD FOR HIS OWN LYNCH?

Input would be appreciated. I'm gonna go get wine.

[The Goat]

And is Mutley IS scum...WHY THE HELL DID HE CAMPAIGN SO HARD FOR HIS OWN LYNCH?

Empty rhetoric.

Mutleyscum had every opportunity to revote himself to L-1 and didn't do it.

He had no problem being his own L-1 vote before Malcolm unvoted, so why the change of heart? Because it's bullshit.

I did not see this. If you could link, it would be appreciated. If no, I will look.

[The Goat]

Flips give the town info for the next day.

No flip hurts the town

.

In LyLo instead of, say, 2 town v. 1 scum, it would be 3 town v. 1 scum. 2v1 is MUCH better for the town than 3v1.

Agreed. This was not my question.

[The Goat]

And is Mutley IS scum...WHY THE HELL DID HE CAMPAIGN SO HARD FOR HIS OWN LYNCH?

Empty rhetoric.

Mutleyscum had every opportunity to revote himself to L-1 and didn't do it.

He had no problem being his own L-1 vote before Malcolm unvoted, so why the change of heart? Because it's bullshit.

I did not see this. If you could link, it would be appreciated. If no, I will look.

Never mind. I misread your post.

[The Goat]

Spoiler: Mutley's end of day posts

VOTE: mutleyddmc

Lets get a flip, ferret is scum though

How will more krab quotes help us??? Need more mutley or ferret votes

Whats my behaviour, mr monkey man?

ill do it then VOTE: mutley

Can you all kill ferret tomorrow please

Yer goat said he would vote me then did. So goat. also fuzzy. Darthe too.

follow the malc

VOTE: the goat

We can't have a no lynch so someone vote me and ill hammer or people like skull vote for goat quick. We need a flip to give us info

So mutley was originally the 8th vote on his wagon, then Malcolm and Nero voted him and he voted himself again. Then Malcolm voted Goat and mutley followed. 4 hours before the day ended mutley says he will hammer if someone else votes, which is the position he carried into today here:

I said I would hammer myself. However I also like to play and live so surely putting my vote on goat until I had to was the best option.

Which does not jive with his behavior yesterday. He's scum.

I will agree with one thing that Mutley said:

His flip will tell us a LOT. If Mutley *IS* scum, I'll bet vital parts of my anatomy that Sven is, too.

[The Goat]

(*disclaimer: I consider my toenails to be vital.)

[The Goat]

In post 1774, The Goat wrote:
In post 1770, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1749, Desperado wrote:
Vote: xMalcolmx

I'm putting the NL on him.

Why are they more to blame then Esq, Darthe, Peta?

I also think its lame and scummy for you to blame Malcolm for the votes on Goat from the above 3.


*suspicious look*

You're not scummy after all, are you?

Nero, what is YOUR read on Malcolm? I think he's scummy as hell, and his read on me has nothing to do with that.

Why would my asking despo a question be scummy? I just really really don't see it that way. The previous stated 6 were all responsible for their own votes.

Malcolm doesn't seem particularly scummy to me but I'm not very good at reading Nacho or Kise so meh. What are they "scummy as hell" for?

You misread my post.

Regarding Malcolm, 1712 about sums it up. I kept getting the impression that he was rolefishing.

[The Goat]

vote Mutley.

[The Goat]

Malcolm said he was going to kill Goat, Goat is still alive. If Goat was town, I'm pretty sure Goat would be voting Malcolm right now and not Mutley.

It's suspicious that you are 1) Attacking Arc so hard 2) Not voting for her 3) Not on the major wagon.

I'd like to hear from Malcolm on what exactly occurred. Believe me, I haven't forgotten about him.

[The Goat]

You'll have to explain how you get rolefishing.

I like that...as of this past Friday...you've actually stated cases for why people are scum, instead of just criticizing others. But I really wanted to bold the above. You know...in case I end up dead.

Why? Do you assume that as scum we would nightkill you?

[The Goat]

Malcolm's actions gave whoever that player/those players are an opportunity to also not vote Mutley without having to explain why they didn't hammer him. So he's scummy for unvoting in the first place, and he's also scummy because, as we both agree that there is scum in the other 7 people who voted Goat/didn't vote, he allowed whoever that is to get away with it as well.

No he didn't. Once Malcolm unvoted Mut was at 9 votes. 2 of Darthe, petapan, ESQ could have easily hammered him. The no lynch is just as much their fault too. Your "well its more Malcolm's fault" is retarded.

He never "allowed" anything.

I have three separate lines of thinking going right now: mutley is scum, Malcolm is scum, and there is almost definitely scum in the other 7 people who allowed the NL to occur.

So I accuse you of wanting to chain lynch, you tell me no but regardless of Malcolm' flip you'll still want to lynch in those 7 players. How exactly is that not chain lynching?

Seriously what the hell? I never said anything resembling the bolded, I expressed confusion as to how you could simultaneously agree that the 8 players who allowed the NL to occur are scummy, but call it a chain-lynching scheme when I say it. Why do you keep saying I said things that I didn't say while simultaneously...

Scum are liars. They aren't going to say what they really mean but I guess that it is multiball so scum

CAN

legit hunt the other team. You were all, "lets lynch Malcolm" I assume that once Malcolm flips then you'll want to lynch from the other 7 players. So from my perspective it does look a heck of a lot like chain lynching. Telling me that its not is basically asking me to

TRUST

that you are telling the truth.

Look at how many times I had to say "that isn't what I said"

look more "trust what I say" type posts.

I DON'T think Malcolm is very scummy. I'm only agreeing that "yeah, ok, their unvote was kinda boneheaded"

If Malcolm flips SHIELD scum like I expect he will, then Nero and Mutley are both excellent candidates for his partners.

and Despo claims Heyman mafia

vote:Despo

I'm starting to understand you. You tunnel REALLY hard, and make pejorative leaps in logic when you're sure you're right.

[The Goat]

Under the circumstances that I'd be a hypocrite since I've done the whole fake vig thing before. But you're right, we should hear from Malcolm.

This be wat I'm saying.

I'd also like to hear a little from Esquire and AA.

[The Goat]

Monkey and Pedapan have both been playing like they're cracked out of their skulls. Hard to get a read.

[The Goat]

I was talking shit about killing him during the night because his response was weird as shit, as I said before.

Heh.

So sue me. I'm not a huge fan of being dead.

[The Goat]

unvote

I'm stuck between thinking that a Mutley flip will give us tremendous information, and my gut telling me that he's not scum...with one little exception.

Mutley...please answer me a question.

If you were so dead set on there being a lynch yesterday, why did you want someone else to put you at L-1, so you could then hammer yourself? Why not vote yourself to -1, and then let someone else hammer you?

[The Goat]

Now is it scummy to be honest?

Most hideous question ever. Because if you were scum, I'm SURE you'd tell us.










Especially if you were drunk.

[The Goat]

Yeah I'm drunk right now because I'm 13 years old and every 13 year old drinks?

This explains so much.

By the way, it's much easier to understand your reactions now that I know you're thirteen.

[The Goat]

Also, Goat when you said you wanted to hear more from Esquire and AA, did you mean us or Angel? clear that up for me, thanks.

also, do you have anything in particular that you want me to talk about?

This and the above post are from mom

I meant Angel.

And no, nothing in particular that I want to talk to you about at the moment; I'm sure it will arise in the future. From what I've gleaned, you derive much of your judgment from meta.

[The Goat]

Thought of something else I want Malcolm to address.

Alright, Malcolm, so your whole deal about shooting Goat was basically just a long, complicated reaction test? And what were your findings? It sounds like you're pretty confident that you caught Scum, but if that's the case, why isn't your vote on Goat?

I'm not really so confident I caught Goat.

And yet, you were confident enough that Goat was Scum to push for his lynch over Mutley's at the end of day one. Where did that confidence go?

You know what this post needs? It needs a popcorn smiley.

'Coz I wanna see where this goes.

[The Goat]

IMO I think a LOT of the reaction near the end of the day yesterday was a simple desire to lynch SOMEONE. I can actually understand some of those who piled on my wagon for that purpose.

The difference between the Mutley wagon and my wagon seems to be those who wanted ANY lynch but were vehement AGAINST lynching Mutley.

The ones that raised my eyebrows the most with their behavior in that vein are Sven, Mutley and Malcolm. Probably in that order. I really didn't like the way Sven made a blatantly bad assumption (lie?) about thinking that a n/l would lead to the leading vote-getter being lynched, being resigned to it, criticizing others for it, but STILL not moving his vote. Freaked me the hell out.

vote Peregrine

for now.

Peregrine, I look forward to hearing from you, your reads, etc.

[The Goat]

Just found out Mutley is African so the English is a second/third language.

MutScum lynch gogogo.

You should probably explain this.

I cannot possibly fathom how someone's native tongue has anything to do with their alignment, unless you're suggesting some sort of policy about lynching someone because they're difficult to understand.

If the latter possibility is true, you may wish to consider a self-vote.

[The Goat]

Yeah, I would be. Which is part of why I was good voting Jebus. But you present a case for why town-Goat wouldn't behave as he is and don't change your priorities; no mindlessness would be involved.

I don't see why Goat and Malcolm can't both be scum.

Seeing as it's multiball, the same could be said about any two players.

If you're suggesting that Malcolm and I are on a singular same team (which you seem to be), why on Earth would he basically derail the Mutley wagon and try to get one going on me at crunch time yesterday? And why would *I* jump off the Mutley train shortly before that and try to get one started on him?

Please explain.

[The Goat]

Singular same team = singular scum team.

[The Goat]

Okay? That didn't answer my question.

I also have no Fighting-Sports knowledge in general.

The wrestler - the role that he is claiming - is African. Not him.

It would be like me claiming Marvin the Martian in a Looney Tunes themed game and you pointing a finger at me and saying "He's from Mars!"

[The Goat]

goat, did you have a scum read on Sven yesterday?

Not until the very end of the day, when he posted that bit about the no lynch resulting in Mutley dying as the LVG.

[The Goat]

Yeah, I would be. Which is part of why I was good voting Jebus. But you present a case for why town-Goat wouldn't behave as he is and don't change your priorities; no mindlessness would be involved.

I don't see why Goat and Malcolm can't both be scum.

Seeing as it's multiball, the same could be said about any two players.

If you're suggesting that Malcolm and I are on a singular same team (which you seem to be), why on Earth would he basically derail the Mutley wagon and try to get one going on me at crunch time yesterday? And why would *I* jump off the Mutley train shortly before that and try to get one started on him?

Please explain.

I don't know if you are on the same team or not. My current theory is that you are both scum, but Malcolm is scummier, hence my vote on Malcolm. I really don't see how the case on Goat is dependant on the case on Malcolm.

Do you mean other than or including the part where you suggested we were scumbuddies? Because that would pretty much be dependent.

[The Goat]

Okay, but the argument on Malcolm and the argument on you don't have anything to do with each other. There's no burden of proof to link you two together for the suggestion that you are both scum to be valid.

True that. You just made me tilt my head and say "wtf" when you suggested we were scumbuddies.

[The Goat]

Okay, but the argument on Malcolm and the argument on you don't have anything to do with each other. There's no burden of proof to link you two together for the suggestion that you are both scum to be valid.

True that. You just made me tilt my head and say "wtf" when you suggested we were scumbuddies.

There's a difference between saying you are both scum and saying you are scumbuddies.

So....it looks like Malcolm and Goat are scum buddies for sure.

I'm sorry....what was that?

[The Goat]

peta is scummy as crap, Monkey. Why are you town reading him?

i don't have the time or interest for this game anymore but just want to drop in and say

you're dumb as shit and insufferable

, cheers

peta is scummy as crap, Monkey. Why are you town reading him?

i don't have the time or interest for this game anymore but just want to drop in and say you're dumb as shit and insufferable, cheers

^too defensive for a townie.

Petapan has requested replacement. If any of your friends fancy replacing in, get them to PM me.

no one else finds this strange? Not even Goat or Despo replaced out and I argued with them more.

Despite my join date, I haven't played as much as most...but I don't find replacing out to necessarily be scummy.

And...you're a *little* bit insufferable.

[The Goat]

Also, I do not find Despo to be scummy. I think he AND you are two townspersons getting in a pissing match over logic.

[The Goat]

Okay, but the argument on Malcolm and the argument on you don't have anything to do with each other. There's no burden of proof to link you two together for the suggestion that you are both scum to be valid.

True that. You just made me tilt my head and say "wtf" when you suggested we were scumbuddies.

There's a difference between saying you are both scum and saying you are scumbuddies.

So....it looks like Malcolm and Goat are scum buddies for sure.

I'm sorry....what was that?

Ah yes, now I remember. The fact that you voted Mutley rather than Malcolm gives the impression that you are protecting him.

Not in the slightest. He's on my list.

[The Goat]

scum do "rage replace". I'm a lil' hardcore at times but that's part of my charm. The point is that I didn't do anything to peta to warrant that kind of aggression.

I've seen the rage replace. I just don't understand it. If I was scum, and thought I was going down, I'd take the object of my irritation down with me.

But that's just me.

Re: peta, it's difficult to judge with limited information. One might be having a stressful week away from mafia. It happens.

[The Goat]

That does nothing for me. You can say "he's on my list" the whole game and still not vote him.

I voted him yesterday...and my list is three people long. Not really a whole lot more that I'm motivated to do for you at the moment.

[The Goat]

I'm sure.

Not trying to be a tool, but I've been pretty straightforward with my thoughts on Malcolm. What else would you like?

[The Goat]

Vote him, if you think he's scum. Otherwise it just looks like you're protecting him. There's no middle ground as far as I'm concerned.

Fence sitting at it's best

.

No. This is a complete misrepresentation of what I said.

I stated who I thought was the SCUMMIEST for his actions. THAT is who I am voting for. If you're tunneling on Malcolm, that's your business. Do not place your restrictions on who I can and cannot vote for.

[The Goat]

Goat, what did Despo do that made you read him as town?

His interaction with you, for one thing. He's been extremely consistent and adamant about his reads, and what he's trying to express.

[The Goat]

Well now.

[The Goat]

My bad for not reading the flavor more closely:

But here are the voting histories for the dead. Gives us something to go on at least.

What the blue hell is this? Monkey...are you saying you DIDN'T read the flavor, but still suspected the daykill was Shield?

[The Goat]

For the record, I'm tremendously upset that Skull won't be donning a singlet and dousing herself in baby oil. Hmph. Skull, you owe me one.

[The Goat]

unvote, vote Monkey.

[The Goat]

My bad for not reading the flavor more closely:

But here are the voting histories for the dead. Gives us something to go on at least.

What the blue hell is this? Monkey...are you saying you DIDN'T read the flavor, but still suspected the daykill was Shield?

I'm saying I suspect the daykill was scum because they killed Skull, yes. How about waiting for an answer before you vote me? Oh yeah, you're scum.

Nice OMGUS.

How about you respond to post 2056, you bad little monkey? You're clearly not answering something directly, and your reactions from D1 to D2 differed so drastically that it just reeks of scum.

[The Goat]

By the way, Mutley, from the timing, it doesn't appear that anyone was trying to frame you.

To me, it looked more like someone was trying to frame Malcolm, or that he's trying to make it look like someone was. Very much a WIFOM argument.

[The Goat]

It's not an OMGUS. You were the last person Skull voted for before he died. Nice try though.

The hell are you babbling about? I was referring to the part where you called me scum because I voted before waiting for your response.

[The Goat]

That's what I was talking about too.

No. You clearly responded that my comment was invalid because Skull voted for me last (even though that was YESTERDAY.)

[The Goat]

You're throwing shit and trying to see what sticks. It's not working.

Monkey...I'm pretty sure you're not seeing what is being referred to. Either that, or you had a gigantic bowl of crack this morning.

[The Goat]

That's what I was talking about too.

No. You clearly responded that my comment was invalid because Skull voted for me last (even though that was YESTERDAY.)

I said I didn't OMGUS you. I attacked you because you are a scum suspect, not because you voted me.

Deflect, distract, distance.

Vote stays.

[The Goat]

LOL

Hey...SHE brought it up....

[The Goat]

Word of caution: A majority of the people that are wagoning me are people that are on my scumdar.

Consider me warned.

[The Goat]

God damnit.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=24130

@monkey: you are definitely flailing right now. Your "I didn't know, I was just speculating" retroactive rationalization is flail. Anyone paying even cursory attention to the thread and player deaths was already aware that SHIELD is responsible for the daykill. IMO there is no disputing that there's inconsistency between your first post-death post and your 2nd post-death post, I just don't think it's inherently scummy, and

your reaction to the subsequent pressure has you leaning town for me.

Interesting. His reaction is one of the main reasons that my vote is still on him.

[The Goat]

In other news I think the despo monkey chase looks like town on town and goat is not helping do anything but instigate.

Sorry you feel that way about the latter. Not my intent.

Of course, I think I'd take your criticism a lot more seriously if the following wasn't your only other contribution this entire damned week:

I would legitimitely vote mutley just to get people to shut the hell up about him and because he is being a retard..

[The Goat]

I'm not entirely sold on Monkey as scum, but his adamant refusal to admit that he was acting a little squirrely is a huge red flag for me.

[The Goat]

Why is Mac not telling me his Despo read?

Did you ask

nicely?

For what it's worth (I think I stated this before), I agree with Darthe's assessment of the two of you going at it.

Gonna go in a different direction for the time being, and see where it goes:

unvote, vote Jebus.

[The Goat]

Mod, I will be V/LA until at least Monday, possibly Tuesday.

Will phone post if possible.

[The Goat]

Goat: Sounds like a cop-out to me.

Your timing is astonishing, and thank you for playing. Will you please give a little insight into your voting?

[The Goat]

I agree with Darthe's assessment of the two of you going at it.

except that's not actually (or I don't remember it) what he said though he does have a town read on both of us so I guess you could get that.

That is what I was trying to suggest, although I did so poorly.

[The Goat]

Hai. Catching up.

[The Goat]

Darthe or despo or goat

all these dumbos want a Monkey or Arc lynch.

I'm voting Jebus, Tartacus.

[The Goat]

I just realized The Goat is in this game. I counterclaim whatever he's claiming.

Nero, I'll give you a dollar if you shoot THIS guy.

[The Goat]

1. Jebus ***
9. ferretlover
18. TheEsquire **
3. ArcAngel9 ***
17. Mac
5. Squidward ** penguin_alien *
11. Amethyst Actor (Ms. Marangel/The Acting Method Hydra) *
12. Fuzzyman
14. FuDuzn * petapan
4. Desperado
10. Ravenpaw
2. zachattack * Darthe *
19. The Goat

Everyone in between Mac and Despo is pretty much a null read.

Nero, I understand what you're doing, but I think you'd be well served to do an ISO on MonkeyMan.

[The Goat]

Pidgey, if you could drop in and give coherent posts, that would be awesome.

[The Goat]

I just realized The Goat is in this game. I counterclaim whatever he's claiming.

Nero, I'll give you a dollar if you shoot THIS guy.

Okay. Not the reaction to Rubicon's obvious joke from Goat I'd expect from him if he were town. He can be scum.

Riiiiiight. Because responding to an obvious joke WITH an obvious joke is oh so scummy.

Hi!

Random.org says

vote Desperado.

Discuss.

Yup. Goat's scum.

See, I can't determine if you're trying to build a case against me out of nothing because it seems a popular thing to do...or you're just an idiot. Time will tell.

[The Goat]

Pidgey comes off so much more town than Jebus did. Problem is, ISO-ing Jebus's other games...he plays near identically to how he did in this one. Bah.

And...Monkey...for the love of God...please just change your name to OMGUS.

unvote

in light of the extension.

[The Goat]

I vote for who I see is scummy. If someone is going to tunnel me on a crap case, I am going to vote them, weather people think it is OMGUS or not.

It makes you very, very difficult to read, because who you see as scummy coincides very strongly with whomever points a finger at you.

[The Goat]

That's absolutely not true. I don't mind if I'm attacked as long as I'm not pointlessly tunnelled. There's a difference. And being difficult to read does not mean you're scummy.

Didn't say it does. But your reactions read as OMGUS to me. Apparently not to others...and their subsequent protection of you is throwing me off even more.

[The Goat]

That's absolutely not true. I don't mind if I'm attacked as long as I'm not pointlessly tunnelled. There's a difference. And being difficult to read does not mean you're scummy.

Didn't say it does. But your reactions read as OMGUS to me. Apparently not to others...and their subsequent protection of you is throwing me off even more.

That's because it's a lot more likely that you and arcangel are both scum than me being scum, apparently.

That does not currently seem to be the popular opinion, and I assure you it's not correct.

[The Goat]

Goat in those other games you read about jebus, was he town or scum or what? Also how bout you judge me and not my slot from now on

I believe the games I looked at are still going on - but he even posted like that as a Mod. Freaked me out. And my unvoting should be a pretty clear indicator of my judgment.

[The Goat]

Mastin, are you seriously evaluating my first post of the game...a RVS vote, as a scum tell?

[The Goat]

Mastin, are you seriously evaluating my first post of the game...a RVS vote, as a scum tell?

I hate this post

Why? It's a perfectly legit question.

[The Goat]

Pidgey comes off so much more town than Jebus did. Problem is, ISO-ing Jebus's other games...he plays near identically to how he did in this one. Bah.

And...Monkey...for the love of God...please just change your name to OMGUS.

unvote

in light of the extension.

If you wanted to convince me you weren't scumbuddies with pidgey...
...This is not the post you needed to make.

It is difficult for me to properly convey just how unconcerned about that I am at the moment. Would you please answer my question?

[The Goat]

Mastin, are you seriously evaluating my first post of the game...a RVS vote, as a scum tell?

No, but how the RVS vote was handled by you has turned it into one. (Granted, not a strong one, but you're just giving off an overall scum vibe anyway. )

Apparently a common line of thinking. Wrong, but common. I do use reactions to RVS to scum hunt.

[The Goat]

AA9 why the fock do you want to lynch despo please i want to know.

Darthe, Petapan and TSQ are players im getting interested in because of their late chage to goat wagon but i really havent gone into detail as to how that played out.

I also agree with nero's last post... goat's question is legit but wouldnt you laugh about mastin rather than take him seriously over that point?

'Tis why I asked.

[The Goat]

ISO me pidgey...you will know why..

Scum doesn't want to do work!!!!!! you are so caught Aerc!!!!!!!!! more exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wtf?

[The Goat]

Mastin, are you seriously evaluating my first post of the game...a RVS vote, as a scum tell?

I hate this post

Why? It's a perfectly legit question.

the random.org is an old school scum tell. You know its a scumtell hence why you do it since playing scummy regardless of alignment is all the rage these days.

I vehemently disagree with random.org being a legit scum tell, but that helps me understand Mastin's reaction a little better.

Seriously, what's the difference between using random.org and casting an early RVS D1 vote, simply because there's nothing else to go on?

[The Goat]

(That does it. I'm starting a debate in some other forum about why random.org isn't a viable scum tell, but reaction to it as a scum tell...is.)

[The Goat]

This is like the most retarded thing you have said all game nero. Would you rather I be objective or subjective about my predecessor? It has little to do with the slot, more to do with my analysis of play. Unless you're actually asking me to give false reads?

but the read on you wouldn't be false unless you are lying about being town. You know your pm, you don't know my pm unless you have some sort of investigation ability.

Why would you even care what Zach did?

*Nods, drinks wine, looks at Darthe, raises eyebrows*

[The Goat]

Ferret's done that one too many times. Agree with Darthe on this one, and don't think it's too late for a wagon.

Will revisit if we get too close to deadline.

vote Ferret.

[The Goat]

darthe do u mean confirm yourself as scum? because im town...

if the time comes that we need to do this then i will vote for myself.

VOTE: Darthe

It's like you watched what Mutley did yesterday, and are following that to the letter.

[The Goat]

(Btw, the other scumreads are pidgey and Ravenpaw for me currently, but I'll be investigating those later, when I have more time available. For now, we need to focus on getting the lynch.)

My preference from strongest to least is listed above, for the record--I would most prefer a penguin_alien lynch, I would also like a Mac lynch, and I'm willing to compromise on a TheGoat lynch.

Now, your turn.

I suspect Desperado is going to be very, very displeased with you.

I like your bold vitriol. I disagree with your reads. My vote is where I like it...and after the whole Darthe incident with his read on how his predecessor behaved, Im warming up to that option, too.