Mini 1449 - Ordinary Town

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VOTE: GoodCopBadCop because I don't like random votes

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post_id=4926404 time=1367613228 user_id=10128]VOTE: GoodCopBadCop because I don't like random votes

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'Cause you don't like random votes yet are posting a random vote in the random voting stage... wat.

Nope, I voted for the person who random voted because I don't like random votes. Bulletproof logic if you ask me.

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Also I'm calling it, everyone after me on the Cop wagon is scum.

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So let's start by lynching Cage.

VOTE: NicCage

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So you want to policy lynch people who RVS. Given how many people do that on this site, you'd probably want to lynch off 90% of the forum.

Also, given the ease with which you moved your vote off, how is your vote any different from a random vote?

Yep, that's about right.

Well, I've found someone more worthy of my vote. So I moved it.

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GCBC should headclaim too. Its amazingly anti-town to keep that hidden.

I don't think it's ethical to force him into doing this. If he wants it he can, but we shouldn't push for it.

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VOTE: goodcopbadcop because cops cause me problems

If this is a miller softclaim, you better promote it into a full claim.

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Hey Toomai, I think you've started to bus NicCage too soon. I'd move my vote to you if Cage's explanation for his vote wasn't a description of his last vote (you know, if we exclude the reasoning part). But we still have tomorrow, right?

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hapahauli, you're essentially pushing the lynch of people who made random votes. I might vote with you if they keep not providing information for the next few days; but for now it seems pointless to me.

EDIT: @Cage Yep. Your jump on the Cop wagon seems more opportunistic than zefiend's vote on hapa. Also the fact that no reasoning for a vote is poorer than basically any kind of reasoning at all.

EDIT2: Hey Dys, wanna jump on the Cage wagon? It's only been a day and I'm pretty sure we've found 2/3 scum.

Also recommended listening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBYGjC_hJ9A

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I'm not sure why NicCage has rounded up so many votes so quickly. it seems like people have latched onto a small handful of things he's said and jumped to seemingly ridiculous conclusions. I don't see how we have enough information about him to justify the number of votes he has. I think NC is more likely town whose wagon is being pushed by scum because it could feasibly give an easy d1 lynch for them.

I disagree. Driving a wagon to L-2 on page 4 is too bold for scum. We're looking for the sneaky guys here. I don't think anyone on the wagon is scum. Except Toomai

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Well, first, he took Cop's second RVS vote too seriously (unless Cop was also serious, which I doubt). Secondly, Cop wagon was evidently a wagon I didn't like and Toomai was on it. Thirdly, his overall play strikes me as overly cautious. I can't say he's the best good lynch for today, but he's worth going after tomorrow. And also today.

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I think the hydrae should set up QTs between heads so that waiting for a head doesn't become a liability during tight spots. Also to prevent "waiting" for the "other" head.

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Spoiler: A sincere message to hapahauli

Hahah but seriously I like that post

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@ HP

Wall-o-texts are kinda my thing =/

Anyway what do you "like" about the post - do you agree with my logic? Or do you just think it's a "townie" post?

Also, I still want an answer to this:

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Well, first, he took Cop's second RVS vote too seriously (unless Cop was also serious, which I doubt).

Secondly, Cop wagon was evidently a wagon I didn't like and Toomai was on it. Thirdly, his overall play strikes me as overly cautious. I can't say he's the best good lynch for today, but he's worth going after tomorrow. And also today.

Those are reasonable points, but why didn't you bring them up before? You say he's worth pressuring today, yet idly stating he's suspicious twice, then not stating your rationale until I prod you about it isn't a very effective way of "going after" someone.

The motivation for that post was coming from the right place.

To answer that, I wanted to mess with him a bit. Also, my vote was on NicCage and reasons without a vote is even worse than a vote without reasons.

Understand where you're coming from, Hapa.

You just seem way too eager to play town.

I don't like this post.

Please note that it is NOT a fallacy to claim somebody is trying to "appear" protown

Which is what he was going for (or at least what I think it is)

Also why am I not voting you yet? You've earned yourself a seat above Cage. This is yours until NicCage comes back and claims it from you.

VOTE: Toomai

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You guys should all stop overreading Varsoon's posts

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VLA for three to four days.

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back and catching up

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Good on scott for making logical points, but both scum and town can do this. I don't see much noteworthy townish in Scotts posts. If your reasoning for thinking "good stuff" includes that he's made logical points and has "not bad" parts and a lot of null, I think that's questionable at best.

Good logic is usually backed by real motivation to hunt scum; therefore a towntell. Scott has made town posts.

I like Cage's post on Toomai. It has nice points. I think we need more people on the Toomai wagon. Failing that, Cage is still a good target.

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Nic Cage

- Useless lurker showing more interest in "smoking weed" than playing the game.

Hey Judge Dredd, I didn't know you played mafia.

Varsoon, how about you stop talking about how you're town and be town instead? I have a stupid gut feeling you're town and you can help us all by not being an easy lynch target.

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CHOO CHOO

VOTE: NicCage

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Lol yeah, I lied. Turns out my other opinions were wrong so I just didn't post them.
I'll probably lurk the amount I feel like lurking unless you ask me stuff, so good for you for asking.

this is so town motivated that I'll give you a medal

Spoiler: hello

There's really no way to 'be town'. While it's refreshing to hear you think I'm town, it could also be seen as a buddying attempt.
Regardless, it isn't that hard. Just ISO me and you'll see that I'm pretty consistently town in this game, if

disengaged

and

fruitless

about it.

Fix those two and you can be town again. And stop calling yourself town every chance you get.

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1. Scum are not always "sneaky", some play aggressively and are very vocal.

Bah. Disagreed.

2. It's not bold to vote Cage, it's easy (not saying he's town). I could easily vote him now and no one would really care to notice.

Getting near a lynch is bold when it is only the 4th page. Don't mix up the context in your favor.

How much experience do you have? I seriously think you're talking shit here to justify the quick waggon on Cage.

I don't want to play the join date card but just look at my damn join date.

1. Taking something seriously is a scum tell? Explain this.

Attacking people because of their random vote reasons is baseless and uninformative and anti-town. You're better off providing no reasons than doing THAT.

2. What do you mean by not liking the waggon on me? Was I town read?

Nope. The wagon was opportunistic and filled with semi-reasons. Toomai and Cage, my current top 2 suspects were on it. Them being scum would imply you are town, but we don't know it yet.

3. Can you provide the examples of Toomai playing cautiously please.

#33, #105 admitting to it

Replied in bold.

Multiple people have said I'm "a good wagon". I presume this is for one of three reasons:

1. You want me lynched because you think I'm scum.
2. You want to make me claim.
3. You want to pressure me into doing something.

Anyone feel like sharing their reason?

I think you're scum, you claiming will happen when you reach L-1 while we're lynching you and I want you to crumble under pressure and expose the scum behind your mask.

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Oh well, I trust you on this one Hapa.

Claim, ac. Claim till you die.

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Also we're lynching Toomai tomorrow.

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Actually wait. Doesn't it bother anyone that this wagon went from one vote to L-1 in a single page? Toomai's reasoning is already terrible; but daemon and dys came back from their inactivity just to hop on this bandwagon. I'm willing to bet serious $$ that at least two of them is scum.

VOTE: Toomai

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Well I'm all for NC or Toomai now so if we're not lynching Toomai,

VOTE: NC

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Since no one is interested in Toomai I'll
VOTE: acfan

I don't see how keeping him around for tomorrow is beneficial.

Oh God the smell of opportunism here. Also Toomai too.

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Well I guess I'll go back to where I was then.

Vote: NicCage

That said, 1-Shot Doctor seems like a really weird claim to me. It's weak and unusual enough that it doesn't look like something that would be faked, but in the same way it's far easier to explain why he's not being killed (since if the claim is true the Mafia probably would like to keep him around for a while to keep suspicion high, as opposed to a full Doctor claim which would make everyone expect instant death).

You have me convinced. I felt there was going to be at least one scum in the set of not-common-posters and the evidence seems legit.

Vote: ac1983fan

Both opportunistic, weak votes. I still don't understand why we're prioritizing NC over Toomai.

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Clearly I was not prepared for this amount of posts.

I don't really have any idea what to think. As it stands I prefer the NC lynch over the acf one because I feel it will provide more useful information overall. If we're lucky we have a Vig that'll shoot acf and solve that question simultaneously.

SB has 0 votes right now and I don't think we should try to pile them on today, since that'll just make things more complicated should it turn out that not enough people join in.

Who in their right mind would shoot a claimed doctor night 1?

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Hapa I may be willing to join you on the SB wagon if you elaborate your case a bit.

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I believe Cheery Pie has actually accused Hapa of being too town.

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What resistance? ac went from one vote to L-1 in

11

posts. Here's a quick summary of the wagon:

I love you Dyslexicon. Thank you for making me look at this guy again.

ac1983fan

is scum. No doubt about it.

I love you too, my dove. *blush*

I totally agree ac19 looks like scum, especially in light of his meta. He has seemed dodgy to me the whole game. His self proclaimed "conservativeness" does not add up to his play, and him stating being wary of me, but do nothing but a totally fail-jump on one of my posts. This is good enough for a vote from me, and then we don't have to worry about NC being lynched (although he might not be town either).

VOTE: ac1983fan

Wow that is some solid data. Very well done on your dig Hapa. I'd like to hear from him as well to see what he has to explain, but with that kind of proof I am willing to sway my vote that way. How much longer do we have till days end?
You have the stage acfan I suggest you give your case before it is to late.

VOTE:ac1983fan

You have me convinced. I felt there was going to be at least one scum in the set of not-common-posters and the evidence seems legit.

Vote: ac1983fan

^^I decided for you

VOTE: acfan1983

A chance to show off my p2 read being accurate? I'm in

-BadCop

Vote: ACfan

I shall walk with you to the death, Hapahauli.

Also, eh, ACfan is a good wagon, regardless of flip. Hope for scum, stay for winning.

post_id=4957189 time=1368651805 user_id=10128]Oh well, I trust you on this one Hapa.

Claim, ac. Claim till you die.

post_id=4957231 time=1368652830 user_id=10128]Actually wait. Doesn't it bother anyone that this wagon went from one vote to L-1 in a single page? Toomai's reasoning is already terrible; but daemon and dys came back from their inactivity just to hop on this bandwagon. I'm willing to bet serious $$ that at least two of them is scum.

VOTE: Toomai

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It's also worth noting that the posts between weren't disapproving the lynch at all.

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The fact that you of all people posted that post made me laugh.

why ;-;

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Cause you gave intent to hammer without saying much of anything. That's sketchy

Yeah I know. I act too quick sometimes.

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BAM!

VOTE: NicCage

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But seriously, someone should vote. Dys will be hanging tomorrow if this day ends with NL

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VOTE: Toomai

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Hp, thoughts on CD and AC?

CD?

I might look into ac later but his priority will keep rising if he keeps his silence.

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Kuribo invited me to the neighborhood night 1. Our QT was daytalk enabled so scum most likely also have daytalk.

- GC

that's nice to know

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Hp, thoughts on CD and AC?

CD?

I might look into ac later but his priority will keep rising if he keeps his silence.

sorry, i meant CP aka Cheery Pie

and I don't want you to put AC off for later, I want your opinion of him now, since you said this before

post_id=4957189 time=1368651805 user_id=10128]Oh well, I trust you on this one Hapa.

Claim, ac. Claim till you die.

clearly you have some sort of opinion of him already. I want to know if your opinion of him is still the same or has it changed.

hapa's case on him was pretty solid; but the speed of his wagon and his attitude during the wagon do not add up. I'm seriously torn on acfan.

Though I want to ask, how does the kill point to ac?

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the moment Nic flipped town, mafia knew we were no threat to them. We pushed hard on a townie this makes us look scummier, any town cred we may or may not have had day 1 went away with his flip imo

-J

Nightkill speculation? Really?

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So then why aren't we lynching someone who had played with Kuribo before?

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*has played

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Meh.

post_id=4979237 time=1369421425 user_id=10128]So then why aren't we lynching someone who had played with Kuribo before?

Wow...
You made it back in my scum pile.

That post was less of a suggestion and more of a metaphor of my thoughts on Jake's case on ac.

@jakepony, could you guys be more consistent?

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I love how the new claim brought on so much wine.

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Hey guys guess who I roleblocked last night.

VOTE: Scott Brosius

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Also I shot Kuribo the first night so the Doctor should have two confirmed innocents by now.

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Or not. Double kill =/

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JoaT.

Shot zef(Kuribo) N1
Blocked SB N2
Still have two actions left

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Just because I can't logic does not mean I mafia

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I shot zef because he spent his days safely attacking Varsoon while riding the Cage bandwagon. Just look at his posts after he unvoted hapa:

Posts about Cage:

If you are talking about your first post of the game, 1) I detected sarcasm, so I believe that it was a "true" RVS-vote 2) If it wasn't sarcasm, then it certainly held no logic. Regardless, I am comfortable moving my vote there as well.

Vote: NicCage

@NicCage, I am voting for you because I think you're scum. You're initial reasoning for sheeping GCBC is poor. Jake from Rainbowdash responded to your "safe vote" argument precisely how I would have.

Posts about Varsoon:

Whenever I get prodded I come and skim the most recent posts that I've missed. It's usually 2-3 pages. The only new thoughts I have are that Varsoon is incredibly annoying and anti-town, and I can see why someone would want to vote him.

Posting because I got prodded, even though just skimming the most recent posts hasn't really changed my opinion on anything. More scummy posts from Varsoon, namely #213 where he says the NicCage isn't a good wagon even though he had just included him in his lynchpool a few posts earlier.

I find Varsoon's posts to reek of wishy-washiness, fence-sitting, and noncommittal attitude.

Strong FoS: Varsoon

. If I wasn't voting NicCage, I would vote Varsoon.

Note for reference: Varsoon's post listing all his reads and who he would like to flip is particularly scummy. Scum often like to group two names together when giving FoS'es, one a townie and one scum. This is a safety blanket. If Varsoon is scum, and because I personally believe NicCage is scum, GCBC is probably a townie (who I had a slight-town read on anyways). Likewise, because I personally have a town-read on hapahauli, Toomai might be scum (not sure on this one, yet). I don't understand why Varsoon would list out his lynch-pool and not place a vote in the same post, only to weakly continue on and place a parrot vote on Toomai anyway.

See the difference in the amount of content. He seemed to be safely attacking Varsoon while voting for Cage so I shot him down. Also his lame excuses for not posting. I don't like that kind of stuff.

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Fine. Full claim.

Jack of all Trades:
1-shot vig
1-shot roleblock
1-shot "knifesmith"
1-shot bodyguard
1-shot bulletproof

I already claimed my actions so that's it.

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post_id=4992078 time=1369849382 user_id=10128]Fine. Full claim.

Jack of all Trades:
1-shot vig
1-shot roleblock
1-shot "knifesmith"
1-shot bodyguard
1-shot bulletproof

I already claimed my actions so that's it.

that is 5 shot, not 4

and I have two actions left. Where did I claim 4-shot?

and if you have a "knifesmith" role which is an investigation role, why not use that night 1 vs killing an obv town player?

To quote PF, "I vig N0". Investigation is less risky and therefore more valuable nearing lylo so I kept it. Also last time I shot N1 I had hit a Mafia Godfather so the statistics were on my side

you still did not explain why you blocked SB when you originally had him as a town read and he was on the scum wagon.

That was the middle of D1. Then he started slipping under the radar more and more. A scum was lynched last night and you claimed "one-shot" tracker. That's more than enough reason for scum to be extra cautious. So I looked at the players who were under the radar. Daemon and SB caught my eye. With ac's lynch being inevitable, I thought no scum would pass an opportunity to jump on the wagon for towncred and targeted Scott. After the deadline, I noted dys had slipped under my radar too and I was hitting my head on the desk when I saw this post. I thought I had fucked up but apparently I hit gold instead.

makes no sense...

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I do get notified when my bulletproof is used. I checked it with qwints

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And what PF?

pokerface

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If you killed zef then...that means mafia has killed no one?

ac also targeted kuribo that night. his only action was the factional kill. So it was a double kill.

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Dashie actually thinks scum/SK hp has inadvertently caught scum/SK SB

Mass claim is happening today. So toomai goes next and popcorns.

two factions? yeah nah. It's pretty impossible.

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Kuribo was "killed". Are normals even allowed to distinguish between kill methods?

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Are normals even allowed to distinguish between kill methods?

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Either way ac still killed Kuribo so that flavor still makes sense.

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I feel like a defendant in an ace attorney game

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post_id=4992443 time=1369857321 user_id=10128]Either way ac still killed Kuribo so that flavor still makes sense.

you claimed YOU killed kuribo

Yes I did. And he was shown as "killed" in the flip so I didn't overthink about the flavor. And it was you who said ac killed kuribo with hard evidence so now why are you ignoring your own evidence to attack me, von Karma?

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post_id=4991436 time=1369824058 user_id=10128]Or not. Double kill =/

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post_id=4991430 time=1369823047 user_id=10128]Hey guys guess who I roleblocked last night.

VOTE: Scott Brosius

post_id=4991433 time=1369823891 user_id=10128]Also I shot Kuribo the first night so the Doctor should have two confirmed innocents by now.

HP, the one thing that doesn't make sense about this claim is the 2nd statement.

I think the doctor assumption is fair at this stage in the game, however if you roleblocked Scott and are voting him on that basis, the doctor would clearly only have

one

save as opposed to

two

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Explain sir.

Well, I'm a one shot knifesmith. I can check if someone has a knife or not. Doctors have knives. Mafia seems to kill with knives. So since my ability wasn't named "Cop", I assumed both of those roles to be in the game.

N1 kill was a double kill.

And I really screwed up on the assumed innocents part. I can't into logic.

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I'm not a hydra.

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So the situation is, either SB is scum and doctor has no innocents or SB is town and the doctor has one confirmed innocent.

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My money is on SB-scum

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1st, I wasn't here for the majority of the second day (because of the speedlynch, even though it was justified) so I didn't have time to comment at all
2nd, I do not breadcrumb my targets. Predictable actions=bad

Last day, SB's play consisted entirely of pushing Toomai's lynch while opposing ac's. Then he jumped on the ac bandwagon when he saw the lynch was inevitable. That's scum play.

And lynching SB is really a win-win situation. If he's scum, then cool. If he's town, we're going to have a confirmed townie.

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post_id=4992641 time=1369861332 user_id=10128]So the situation is, either SB is scum and doctor has no innocents or SB is town and the doctor has one confirmed innocent.

Why do you assume we have a doctor?

knifesmith

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Jake, fine. Let's assume there isn't a doctor.

then sb is confirmed scum

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Plus I've never actually heard of a knifesmith now that I think about it and its not on the wiki that I can find.

I'm leaning SK given the

knifesmith

/BP SKs usually are 1 shot immune (

mine

was in

my game

)

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Then stop pretending to know what it is if you're going to back down like that.

It's a gunsmith with knife flavor. Doctor is to knifesmith what vig is to gunsmith.

Also you said I was 5-shot an hour ago. Why aren't you being consistent at all?

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So dashie just made a good point. If his knife whatever can find doc, why did he not confirm the claim doc?

Because it makes no sense at all? If he's a doctor, then he has a knife and I get a positive result. If he's mafia, then he has a knife and I get a positive result. Would you investigate a miller?

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It is passive.

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You essentially had a one shot BP bodyguard and decided not to use it on the claimed PR

the doctor would protect you anyway. why risk losing my advantage?

and instead roleblock the pony that acfan had been attacking the entire game?

have you even read my case on him? also where is acfan attacking SB the entire game?

And you also decided to NOT use your 'knifesmith/cop' role when the "miller" had claimed?

already explained this. how does this make any sense to you? Do you waste investigations on millers?

And you used a RB (must hit scum X) over cop (must hit scum)?

If I had used "cop", I would've risked outing the doctor. The "cop" is also more valuable at endgame

And you killed the most pro-town player?

Are you serious? Really? Zef? The most pro-town player? Seriously? Do you actually believe this?

Not to mention I have NEVER seen a BP player that gets told when its used.

Because mod-meta is such a scumtell

Okay now you're just making outrageous claims. Are you...

panicking

?

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Also why are you operating under the assumption I'm town even though you're SO sure I'm not?

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Hey guys there's this something called "checking with the mod" which I always use heavily when I get a PR

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I'm fine with the majority directing my actions for tonight night

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I haven't played with Kuribo if I remember correctly.

Cop, I was ranting at JakeDash there. I found his theory absurd (why? take a wild guess) and replied with an equally absurd comment.

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Next time I'm going to request [sarcasm] or [heyguyshereswhatimreallyhintingat=] tags in the suggestions forum. God.

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All these SK theories are pointless. Did you notice how Jake is "cleared" in the existence of a SK and how he's really pushing for that theory?

Also NL? Seriously?

I don't know how you guys vig but Toomai was an active player. Lurkerscum targets are better than Activescum targets for N1 for me. Votes on activescum=>information. Votes on lurkerscum=>frustration because of no info. Hence the vig on Kuribo. Also no-breadcrumb policy.

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I almost want to just lynch SB because if he is town it confirms us as town.

So hp is almost for sure scum. I actually wouldn't be shocked to learn his is a SK/mafia and caught SB who is the other if there is a third party though

@hp - You are going to be lynched today. If you are mafia though and claim it though, we will lynch SB first because that forces him into being the SK assuming you blocked him.

No. I mean "there is a knifesmith" is basically saying "there is a doctor". Im actually NOW wondering if hp is a scum SK-cop essentially that also picks up the doctor. That would be pretty awesome.

3. I don't really think HP is mafia, I think he is probably SK and his claim from an SK perspective makes sense, especially if he has some sort of RB ability. If he was aware we had a doc, him assuming we had a NK because of his block and not the doc save makes no sense. If SB flips town he would just say "Oh I guess the doc stopped the kill, not me" With us having a doc and them saving the most likely person to be killed, I believe CD stopped the kill, not HP.

-J

How can you be cleared if I'm indeed a SK? Why is your self-preservation instinct kicking in so hard? Why does every single speculation of yours directly benefit you?

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I feel so honored to be the hammer. All of my hard work and dedication has paid off. Getting the hammer has been a dream of mine for many years, and i would like to thank those who have helped me along the way. First and foremost i would like to thank god for giving me this opportunity. Next i would like to thank my parents. I want to thank my friend Josh Arcaro, for being really skinny and always there for me. I would also like to thank my pet tadpole for surviving against all odds for over a week. Next i would like to thank the squirrel that lives in my backyard for climbing trees because that gives me inspiration that i need to get through the day. This is a special moment in my life and i would like to thank any of my unmentioned friends and family that have helped me along the way. This moment will be a moment that i will never forget. I just remembered a few other people i would like to thank; mafiascum, the fish i caught in the third grade, my light in my room bc i wouldn’t be able to see the keyboard without it, the internet for letting me go on mafiascum, my house because without it i would be homeless, and last but not least i would like to thank all the people out there that actually took time out of their day to read this. I cannot stress how much of a big deal to me this is. I have been trying to be the hammer on a person for years, but that has not been possible until this amazing day. Hopefully my good luck will continue, but this is undoubtedly a rare occasion. If you asked me how i did this, i would say, you can achieve anything u set your mind on. To all the kids out there reading this, i would like to tell them to follow their dreams. Being the hammer is amazing, thank you everyone

Remember kids, WIFOM is a scumtell.

VOTE: hp [leaves]

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[quote=hp [leaves]]HOLY SHIT WHY AM I FUCKING UP SO MUCH[/quote]
yeeah

But damn hapa, you're a good player