Mini 1449 - Ordinary Town

[GoodCopBadCop]

/confirm.

[GoodCopBadCop]

Vote: Jake from Rainbowdash

already scumslipped

[GoodCopBadCop]

4 posts, 4 seperate votes on different people?

this is bullshit, all 3 of you are actively trying to reduce town's information thus the scumteam is HP, Toomai, and ac1983fan

Vote: ac1983fan

because he had the most opportunity to join an existing wagon and do something interesting, but decided not to

If your next post in this game is NOT a vote for ac1983fan I will assume you are scum with ac1983fan unless you explain why

[GoodCopBadCop]

All 3 posts have been brought to you by BadCop

Vote: ac1983fan

because I'm not scum w/ ac and I don't want to trip myself up on a technicality and start assuming that I am scum w/ ac

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

I'm a hydra of some sort

I'ma allow your vote since you are voting someone who is voting town and thats a good start

Vote: ac1983fan

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

lol you guys are misspelling ac1983fan

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

I'm not convinced about ac1983 fan

his vote was definitely trying to hide in the chaos, rather than contribute to creating order and information

hes scum basically

vote him

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

VOTE: NicCage

[GoodCopBadCop]

Jake from Statefarm stop your "Sup" shennanigans and vote for NicCage already

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

VOTE: zefiend

I don't even know why I scumhunt anymore

the scum are just gonna jump out and say "Vote me! Vote me!"

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

My turn to post!

Vote NC

Why me and not Toomai?

This is a really bad post to start as it doesn't actually attack any of the logic that was presented as to why its scummy, but instead tries to deflect part of what he is being called for to another as well without really giving thoughts on hp or Toom.

Yep

unvote

VOTE: zefiend

This is a pretty ugly sheep. Apart from zef being one of my stronger town read at this point, it seems like more of a runaway vote following a vocal player who was calling him scum. I would love to actually see NC try and give reason for the vote before GCBC gives one (even though they probably both are missing reasons - zef is really town which anypony should see at this point).

I probably wont always remember to sign posts (chances are I wont sign anything) but if somepony cant tell us apart... well im not sure what else to say.

GCBC should headclaim too. Its amazingly anti-town to keep that hidden.

I'm not going to headclaim, my partner might but I'll let you know that enough information is attached to the posts made by this account to 100% identify our heads

I'll also let you know that I've played with both of you being scumbutts before

tell me why anypony should see that Zef is town

you are a fan of long paragraphs containing rubbish aren't you?

Cuz thats all I saw from Zef

I like your reasoning on NicCage though, keep it up sport

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

Personally annoyed with gcbc's personality but the 2 names that came up in our QT are NC and ACfan.

No real opinions on anyone else yet.

lol this is SUCH a jake from statefarm post

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

you are a fan of long paragraphs containing rubbish aren't you?

Cuz thats all I saw from Zef

I like your reasoning on NicCage though, keep it up sport

I want to see NC fail to come up with logic for a vote first - less info I give him on where im coming from more likely it is he oversteps a boundary.

Zef is town though, the post you voted him on is townish but 58 is wow-town.

Your post didn't have a NC vote though. It should have.

I'm gonna take my time and possibly vote for NC after reading 58

either way I voted for NC first so nyah nyah

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

sup BBmolla, didn't know you like to be the bad cop.

-J

wow you are quick to accuse

and slow to question

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

[GoodCopBadCop]

you didn't read my post right btw

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

Don't agree with the vote.
I agree that NicCage's wagon is being pushed really fast.

Since you've read the thread enough to know about the wagon, I'd assume you've read the thread enough to propose an alternative. Any suspicions?

There's a lot of content here, and that's a good thing. It just means I need to read up a bit more.

As of now, though? I could see scum between Dyslexicon and Daemon. I find that scum doesn't jump on early wagons so much. That said, I'm pretty sure there's gotta be some scum between the NicCage and zefiend wagons. I'm really suspicious off GoodCopBadCop, less so of Ponydash and NicCage.

Either way, narrowing down suspicions isn't a good thing to do. I'll likely ISO everyone in a few days and figure out where I stand on all of this.

As far as people calling me scum, I find it laughable. I just haven't been very active or produced much so far, and for that, I do apologize. I should really be on V/LA this week, but I will be peeking in from time to time.

Why do you more/less suspicious of me, pony, and niccage?

also, why is it laughable to be suspicious of you when you haven't been producing much?

[GoodCopBadCop]

her action is still town motivated.

why

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

Is the scum team Varsoon/Hapa/RainbowJake?

-BC

[GoodCopBadCop]

- Good Cop catch up.

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@Hapa

...did you just vote me for trying too hard?
Are you dumb or scum? Tell me which so I can adjust my vote accordingly.

Not liking this. Zefiends vote was valid. Scum have to try to make town look scummy. Sometimes you can tell when their behaviour seems forced.

The choice/question you give him here is scummy. He either admits his "wrong" (he isn't) and you win the argument or he's scum.
The only reason you're confident here is because my partner and Nic voted him (for reasons unknown to me). If they had not voted him, you wouldn't have threatened to vote him as well. This seems opportunistic to me.

The most important thing about this post is that it shows that Daemon isn't reading the thread. Toomai initially had his vote parked on Varsoon, but had moved it before Daemon made this post.

That's null.

Also, it wasn't an interesting start to the day

Agreed. That's the worst part of his post.

You've weakened my scum read a little bit. This post wasn't bad, i'll give you that.
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@Versoon

Toomai put a vote on me and he jumped on that wagon real fast

Nice, throwing bs suspicion on the person who voted you is an awesome technique.

Your first post is quite scummy.

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Dyslex

NC's vote and explanation is weird. I don't get it.

Scummy. Using weird is too vague and unclear. It seems like you want to set up a vote on him later.

@hp, I'd rather stay in my lighthouse where I live, with my binocular, sipping on some coffee. Aka, wait with a vote until I get the urge to read more carefully through. Seems like votes are flying high anyways. Keep it up sports!

Fair enough. Passing up a chance to vote Nic. I take back what I said.
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@acfan

His first post was

very iffy

and he hasn't posted since then; it could just be his newness clouding his actions but for the moment I think this is a good place for my vote.

Terrible reason to call someone scummy. What do you mean by "his post is iffy" exactly?
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@Hapa

I get that it's possible not to be sure of things at this stage, but geez don't you have any questions to ask? Aren't you curious about anything?

Good point.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

catch up later, bored.

btw GC is absta101.

[GoodCopBadCop]

Quick reply:

@Hapa - I haven't finished yet, my reads aren't finished. You're a town read atm, dont get upset.

[GoodCopBadCop]

^^I don't like that post.

Both GoodCop and I could see Varsoon as scum, and neither of us have townreads on Vars, while Hapa is now a townread of GC's.

I also don't like how he responded to my poking around as though I'm being lame instead of just prodding for reactions. I don't remember you sticking out your ass for us?

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

VOTE: varsoon

-bc

[GoodCopBadCop]

- I agree with BC's Varsoon vote. All his posts are IIoA.
- Scott is slight town due to him having similar thoughts to me.
- Cage is slight scum at best, I don't see good enough reasons to lynch him now. There are more scummy players.

I've read the whole game now.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Hapa's case on Toomai was okay, not that good though.

[GoodCopBadCop]

I would not be surprised if rainbowjake ended up flipping scum

-bc

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Hapa

You're basically voting him because you could "see him as scum" and because you don't have a town-read on him.

Wrong. We're voting him because all of his posts are IIoA. If he's town, he'd probably the worst player i've seen in my life. He has no interest in finding scum. He's interested in buddying up to you so he can carry on doing nothing.
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@Daemon

GCBC if there are other more "scummy" players to get instead of NicCage who are they? Would you be able to enlighten up on who you think is a bigger threat? Obviously you seem hard struck on Varsoon, but why does he seem more scummy to you then NicCage?

The scummy players I see are Varsoon and hp slightly. I've only just caught up, i'll have to go back and read in depth to see if I find anyone else scummy.

The reason I prefer Varsoon to Cage is because some have been jumping on the Cage waggon with little or no reasoning. Also, unlike Varsoon, i've seen him explain his reads, which is good. Varsoon is mainly buddying up to hapa (successfully, it seems) and he posts a lot of fluff.
The main scummy thing i've seen Cage do is try to deflect suspicion away from himself with "why me and not X?". That's not enough for a lynch and he's starting to explain himself from what i've seen.

I can remember getting scummy vibes from hp, i'll have to look back to see why. Call it gut for now.

Can you remind me why Cage is scum?

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

^^This is why I'm happy that I'm w/ GC

but seriously I just want to say that ALL of rainbowjake's reads are like the polar opposite of me and GC's

which isn't a scumtell in itself, but seriously gets annoying

-BC

[GoodCopBadCop]

GCBC, fluff is the stuff that takes up whole pages and says nothing.

Now, why aren't you down with the Scott wagon?

Did you read my post?

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Quick reply:

I mean honestly GC, have you looked at your partner's posting at all? Whatever IIoA means, it must apply to BC as well.

I don't need to look at BC posts tbh, I know he's town. IIoA means information instead of analysis.

Also, can you look at us two as a whole, we're both the same alignment. Even if he's posting fluff (I haven't looked), i'm not, which should redeem our slot. Providing analysis and reasons is hard for scum because they have to fake it. Varsoon has given no analysis because he can't.

[GoodCopBadCop]

The reason I haven't posted anymore analysis is because it would've taken me ten times longer to catch up. My next post will most likely include some.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

I mean honestly GC, have you looked at your partner's posting at all? Whatever IIoA means, it must apply to BC as well.

I don't know if either of can actually be described as having information.

Vasroon is definitely appealing to emotions though.

I am town.

UNVOTE: , VOTE: Varsoon

:goodposting:

-bc

[GoodCopBadCop]

Eh, if I was appealing to emotions, you'd be crying as you put that vote down, your heart torn due to the cognitive dissonance of truly loving someone and thinking they are scum, wondering if this is the right thing to do, as it'll always put distance between us--what comes first? A man's duty to his people or his duty to his love?
On the real, I just said I was town.

Throw this up on the wall next to

Celine Dion is my favorite artist

To be an example of "Things that a townie would never say"

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Cheery

Vasroon is definitely appealing to emotions though.

Saying "I am town" is not Ate btw.
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@Hp

I disagree. Driving a wagon to L-2 on page 4 is too bold for scum. We're looking for the sneaky guys here. I don't think anyone on the wagon is scum. Except Toomai

This is so wrong.
1. Scum are not always "sneaky", some play aggressively and are very vocal.
2. It's not bold to vote Cage, it's easy (not saying he's town). I could easily vote him now and no one would really care to notice.

How much experience do you have? I seriously think you're talking shit here to justify the quick waggon on Cage.

(I hate the fact that I have to defend Cage even though he's not a town read. It's because of things like this ^)

Well, first, he took Cop's second RVS vote too seriously (unless Cop was also serious, which I doubt). Secondly, Cop wagon was evidently a wagon I didn't like and Toomai was on it. Thirdly, his overall play strikes me as overly cautious.

1. Taking something seriously is a scum tell? Explain this.
2. What do you mean by not liking the waggon on me? Was I town read?
3. Can you provide the examples of Toomai playing cautiously please.
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@Hapa

Those are reasonable points, but why didn't you bring them up before?

You say he's worth pressuring today, yet idly stating he's suspicious twice, then not stating your rationale until I prod you about it isn't a very effective way of "going after" someone.

His reasons suck. They aren't clear enough.

Also, i've noticed that you're being way to easy on people. You should be a bit more aggressive seeing as you're generally considered town by a lot of us.

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- GC

More to come.

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Cage

His recent posts haven't really made me feel better about him, so jake from rainbowdash, why is it obvious that zefiend is town?

I don't like this because Zefiend seems obv town to me (by gut mostly). My gut is telling me that you're scum.
We'll see how you play.

Also, how much experience do you have as scum?
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@Varsoon

As of now, though? I could see scum between Dyslexicon and Daemon. I find that scum doesn't jump on early wagons so much. That said, I'm pretty sure there's gotta be some scum between the NicCage and zefiend wagons. I'm really suspicious off GoodCopBadCop, less so of Ponydash and NicCage.

I'm starting to really fucking hate reading your posts. Give reasons for why they're scum.

Even your latest posts! STOP CALLING YOURSELF TOWN, BITCH! You're nowhere near playing like town. If you're town you should be embarrassed.
/rage
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- GC

More to come.

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Varsoon

Because it'd give good info from what you've said so far and what people have responded to.

You "thinking" hapa would be an okay lynch even though he's a town read of yours is scummy. This explanation doesn't help. Wtf would you as a town player gain from a lynch of your town read? Him being conf town from death doesn't help you, you already had him as a town read.
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@Hapa

The problem is that you don't act as if you're a new player, and your tone implies you are semi-experienced. And for a semi-experienced player, this is as close to a "scum-slip" as you can get. Mafia want to lynch townies, and you seem to be wearing your motive on your sleeve right now.

Also a couple of more things about this post: concrete reads are worthless without rationale. This is literally a worthless way of contributing since it's impossible to hold you accountable for anything.

Furthermore, I haven't seen this lynching-for-information stuff in any of your past town games I've read so far.

Why did you unvote him?
Why didn't you re-vote him?

- GC

Later, bored.

[GoodCopBadCop]

You see, I held the same belief once, as well--that people who play scummy should get lynched and people who are town should be substantial with their posts and produce pro-town content. This generally led to me being a D1/D2 lynch or night-kill, with little substantial play built off of what I had posted and/or my death. As it turns out, in a town full of idiots, it's a lot better to play the idiot-savant or even the town fool. It makes people slip scum all over themselves as they point fingers at your play, which is usually not any better than most other players'.
Feel free to check my other game where I'm playing exactly the same way, except that I spent nearly four hours substantiating my claims and it got me nowhere. There's no reason to put forward tons of effort to find scum, it's far easier to let scum reveal itself.

The thing is Varsoon, is I'm not voting you because you look scummy. I'm voting you because you are being anti-town (and a bit of an ass about it), and on D1, anti-town play is just as good as scummy vibes, especially for a player like me who is shit at this game in general.

--
I'm still wary of Dyslexicon, and NicCage's latest post is openly admitted anti-town play, so I guess I can see why there is a wagon on him again.

If this is true then unvote Varsoon. We aren't policy lynching.

Also, stop it with your "I'm crap" bs. It makes you look like scum trying to create an excuse for when you do something scummy.

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Varsoon

Hapa's a cool guy, but he might be a cool scum guy. You might be defending your scum buddy right here.

You missed the point.
Also, you could say that about anyone who's alive. "They might be scum but we'll never know until they're dead, therefore they're a good lynch!"

dude hasn't voted in forever, content of his posts comes off as scum trying to sit back, etc etc.

Your first explanation! That's progress at least.

1. Why is not voting someone new scummy?
2. Can you give examples of the posts that look like they're trying to "sit back".
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@Hp

Getting near a lynch is bold when it is only the 4th page. Don't mix up the context in your favor.

My bad. Still, it depends on the scum player. I can easily see scum voting him on page 4(to L-2). Quite a few people believe early waggons help progress the game by getting reactions from the players, the scum player could use this as an excuse for putting a player on L-2.

I don't want to play the join date card but just look at my damn join date.

I seriously doubt you've never seen a scum player who is confident enough to do crazy or bold things. It's a valid playstyle that tricks people who have the mindset that scum are only sneaky/cautious.

Attacking people because of their random vote reasons is baseless and uninformative and anti-town. You're better off providing no reasons than doing THAT.

anti-town =/= scummy.
Attacking players for their RV is a way to get you out of RVS. It doesn't look like that's what Toomai was going for though, so fair enough.

Replied in bold.

Thanks. You've lessened my (gut) scum read on you, I liked your response overall.
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@Cheery

It appeals to the emoticon of annoyance and makes you want to just walk out of the room and ignore him.

Probably more to fear/paranoia, but that doesn't change the fact him continually doing it is still scummy.

It's annoying yes, doesn't make me want to ignore him though. It isn't really Ate imo.
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UNVOTE:
I'm doing this so I can review other people. Varsoon is vig bait. If there's no one else more scummy, i'm moving back.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

@JFR

Go to the last VC and what is happening. Varsoon is getting ran up against NC. What is the reaction from Varsoon? Attack a player who is voting NC. That accomplishes absolutely nothing from a scum perspective and instead is more of throwing rocks at a hornet nest. Not only is he making a vote that keeps him closer to a lynch as the leading wagon while easily being able to vote NC, but it also stands the chance of angering a player off the wagon who is defending him.

Good point, I agree.
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@Hapa

We should be lynching Nic Cage or Scott today unless someone goes about and acts even scummier.

Can you explain the Scott read to me please.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Hapa

As far as Jake goes, I have my doubts about him, however I'd need to know more about Nic Cage's alignment before I could commit to lynching him.

JFR is town, even if Cage flips town. Town players can be wrong, no?
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@Toomai

Not voting NC yet because there's still a few days

; not voting SB yet because I'm not as certain about him.

It just seems like you're trying to look town. Why does it matter if there's a few days left? If you honestly think he's scum then he deserves your vote whenever.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

not that you will necessarily believe me but i can kind of explain why it seems like we are posting like that hap.

Spoiler:

I wanted to hydra with rainbowdash cause she is always able to develop strong town reads and I am never able to develop strong town reads, I actually end up accusing half the game by the time the game is over. My intention was to pair up with dashie to learn from her but for whatever reason her schedule or whatever has kept her from posting in the QT. I'm purposely trying not to spam the thread and not make moves without discussing them with dashie first but we just can't get online at the same time.

The main issue is i am online most of the day and she can't access MS from work which makes her availability in the evening. She also prefers to use AIM where as I would have to create an AIM screenname (which I may end up doing now that my wife's laptop is fixed and she isn't using mine)

I am here and have lots of opinions, but they don't necessarily agree with what dashie has posted in our QT. For example. I had GC/BC as an obv town read but dashie disagrees with me and has him as a null/scummy read. She has varsoon as a town read, but I have him as a null read.

I hope to get this straightened out soon once we are able to hook up and talk to each other. If I can't connect with her I will just revert back to my old way of playing.

-J

ok nvm rainbowjake is obvtown

I can't see a scum hydra head making this post

at least I don't want to lynch this for the next few days

-badcop

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Hapa

As far as Jake goes, I have my doubts about him, however I'd need to know more about Nic Cage's alignment before I could commit to lynching him.

JFR is town, even if Cage flips town. Town players can be wrong, no?
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@Toomai

Not voting NC yet because there's still a few days

; not voting SB yet because I'm not as certain about him.

It just seems like you're trying to look town. Why does it matter if there's a few days left? If you honestly think he's scum then he deserves your vote whenever.

- GC

Fixed. Toomai wrote that quote, not Cage.

[GoodCopBadCop]

Sounds reasonable J.

Though given the lack of activity in the thread, I'd rather see your "old" style. I'd take any form of posting at this point.

Why's Scott scum?

[GoodCopBadCop]

Sounds reasonable J.

Though given the lack of activity in the thread, I'd rather see your "old" style. I'd take any form of posting at this point.

Why's Scott scum?

Read the thread.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p4944216
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4944218
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4949929

The fact that you're too lazy to read the last 3 pages does not help your cause.

the fact that you are too snarky and unable to succintly sum up your case easily without needing to refer to previous posts indicates to me that your case is bad, unmemorable, and probably wrong

-badcop

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Hapa

- I was expecting a summary...
I agree with the last paragraph of the first link and that post #241 is scummy. Everything else is pretty meh tbh.
Anyway, it's better than my (mostly) gut scum read on Cage. I'll support the Scott waggon for now.

VOTE: Scott
Btw, what is your definition of an active lurker? I'm quite sure Varsoon is a perfect example. He's just talking bs all the time yet you say he's not one?

[GoodCopBadCop]

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

what the heck goodcop I was snarking it up right there and now you undermine me and make me look like a pansy

I'ma go check the QT

-badcop

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Scott

The justification comes after that statement. When he acts like that and you being the most vocal player in thread immediately reinforce that behavior as being apparently obvtown, why not continue that behavior?

Agreed, though I doubt he's scum. JFR's explanation makes sense.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

@acfan

- Do you seriously have no scum reads?
I just finished reading your ISO and it almost looks like you're afraid of calling people scum.
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@Hapa

- Calm down... He hasn't even responded yet.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

I have, he seems scummy, I agree. I'm not so convinced with my vote on Scott atm so i'll likely vote acfan with you but I want to see him answer me/you first.

[GoodCopBadCop]

UNVOTE:

[GoodCopBadCop]

Cage or acfan today. I will decide in a bit.

[GoodCopBadCop]

^^I decided for you

VOTE: acfan1983

A chance to show off my p2 read being accurate? I'm in

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

The first three posts were mine.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

L-1

[GoodCopBadCop]

UNVOTE:

I'm not lynching a claimed PR today.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Hapa

UNVOTE:

I'm not lynching a claimed PR today.

- GC

Yes, because claiming 1-shot doctor is totally not a convenient easy-to-claim unverifiable PR at all.

So if we're not lynching him today, when are we lynching him? There's no way to verify him short of having a cop claim (which is ridiculous), so what's the point in not lynching someone you think is scum today?

Blind, thoughtless, policies.

We can lynch him tomorrow if he's still acting scummy. Let him use his ability (if he's telling the truth) tonight. Lynching him today is a scummy decision.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

@acfan

- Use your ability tonight.
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VOTE: Cage
This is a good lynch. Also, we need lynch RIGT NOW. The deadline is in a few hours.

[GoodCopBadCop]

change "good" to "best".

- GC (both posts)

[GoodCopBadCop]

You fucking retards, unvote him ffs. His response to your case was alright. Just because he claimed doc doesn't make him scum.

I'd rather lynch Toomai but we don't have time. NC dies today or there will be a NL.

[GoodCopBadCop]

I can't believe this shit. The pros of keeping him alive outweigh the cons.

- Scum-acfan could no-kill to make himself look better, giving us a free lynch.
- Town-acfan could get killed at night and we don't have to worry about him.
- etc

Lynching him now would be a 50:50.

[GoodCopBadCop]

or scum could kill someone useless ofc.

[GoodCopBadCop]

Since no one is interested in Toomai I'll
VOTE: acfan

I don't see how keeping him around for tomorrow is beneficial.

I didn't see this coming.
What a shit ass reason to vote someone.
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@Hapa - How can you be so confident that he's scum?

[GoodCopBadCop]

You can lynch him tomorrow! If you doubt that he's scum, even just a little, keeping him alive to use up his claimed 1-shot is worth it.
He isn't going anywhere, you act like he has to die today or never.

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Hapa - One's a claimed PR...

@Hp - We don't have time to build a Toomai waggon.

[GoodCopBadCop]

I hate this town. Don't expect me to post after this.

[GoodCopBadCop]

So with the suspended deadline maybe we can get a wagon rolling on SB.

I'm not unvoting NC yet though. He's been at L-1 twice now and needs to claim.

VOTE: Toomai
This is so incredibly scummy.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

@NC - Don't claim. You're not on L-1 anymore.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Daemon

- It's scummy because he wants NC to claim and then support another 'successful' waggon on SB (which would lead to another claim). That would mean 3 claims in one day which would only benefit scum.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Nah I'm good w/ lynching Nic

-bc

[GoodCopBadCop]

Toomai or NC are good lynches. Everybody should be voting one of these two.

EBWOP - It seems that acfan is still being voted... I guess I'll have to vote NC in the end.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

hp[leaves], so what? I know there wasn't much resistance to the AC wagon. That's generally what happens when I scream in a thread to lynch someone and bomb a giant case.

And honestly I'm much more skeptical about a wagon that slowly "creeps" on a player without meaningful resistance than a sudden wagon in an extremely volatile phase of the game (near lynch deadline).

That's just wrong. A waggon on scum usually goes slow whilst a waggon on town goes faster in comparison.

GC - is your aversion to lynching ac1983fan still

only

based on his claim?

mostly, not only.

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Hapa - The fact that your case is largely meta (which according to acfan is around 4 years old).
- That the waggon grew really fast (not that convinced by this though).

Toomai prob won't get lynched today.
VOTE: NC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Yeah, it doesn't really make sense for him not to vote NC.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

I want to see his response first.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

@JFR - His actions look forced, like he's trying to look town. Also, if acfan is really a town PR he would've voted NC.
1. He knows that he himself is town %100. NC is < %100.
2. He's a town PR.
3. He was voting Varsoon for just being anti-town. NC has been anti-town.

His case on Scott is just a copy of what everyone else has already been saying and the NC waggon was more viable than the scott waggon.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Hapa vote NC, there's only a few hours left.

JFR have placed their vote O_O?

[GoodCopBadCop]

Someone else not on the NC waggon has to vote NC for the hammer. He's L-2 atm.
JFR is voting NC atm.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Also GC, it sounds like you're concurrently pushing two wagons. Why is that?

I was explaining my suspicion on acfan to JFR. I've been against voting acfan today. I don't deny his recent scummy actions though.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Dudes, 3 hours left! Just vote NC. We need to avoid a no-lynch.

[GoodCopBadCop]

2 hours... Ffs.

[GoodCopBadCop]

He's still alive btw... Vote him.

1 hour left.

[GoodCopBadCop]

Got lots of exams coming up so I'm not gonna be that active.
I'd V/LA but I don't know if BC will be here.

Also, Kuribo was a weird kill.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Kuribo invited me to the neighborhood night 1. Our QT was daytalk enabled so scum most likely also have daytalk.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

I think town-ac would have posted by now

VOTE: acfan

-bc

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Jake - No, why would scum kill a 1-shot Doc when the town is already suspicious of him.
My gut is telling me you're scum... All that tunnelling on NC then now going after acfan just seems really off to me.
Also, I was expecting scum to kill you. You were a town read to quite a few of us and you were vocal. Hapa is too obvious a choice so if we're using NKs as a means to catch scum, you are a suspect.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Jake - No, why would scum kill a 1-shot Doc when the town is already suspicious of him.
My gut is telling me you're scum... All that tunnelling on NC then now going after acfan just seems really off to me.
Also, I was expecting scum to kill you. You were a town read to quite a few of us and you were vocal. Hapa is too obvious a choice so if we're using NKs as a means to catch scum, you are a suspect.

- GC

Thank you goodcop! I'm super skeptical of rainbowjake as well

[GoodCopBadCop]

-badcop

[GoodCopBadCop]

cause imo if you have a chance to take out a PR (if he was legit) you as scum should ALWAYS take that chance for fear of the unknown.

the moment Nic flipped town, mafia knew we were no threat to them. We pushed hard on a townie this makes us look scummier, any town cred we may or may not have had day 1 went away with his flip imo

-J

How many times have you two played with Kuribo before?

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Toomai

This bothers me as well. Just because you claimed a PR before deadline doesn't mean you should just sit back and expect to be okay, especially with a weak one that multiple people wanted to lynch anyway.

This is terrible reasoning and seems very opportunistic. Unlike Hapa, you don't ask WHY he wasn't here, you just vote him assuming he was lurking. He could've easily been busy, it happens to a lot of us.

You're still vote worthy.
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@JFR

Toomai actually makes a good point in 749

, nothing suggests that ac's play has been pro-town, and I still originally liked the case by hap. Sitting back doing nothing, at least Nic made the attempt to do something.

The bolded is just complete bs. You know that players aren't always present when it's important.
Toomai's reason for voting acfan sucks.

Its going to be WIFOM but you should follow here too. Basically the kill is a massive tell. Look who the likely kills would be: Zef and hap.

1. The kill ISN'T a massive tell.
2. Zef wasn't a likely kill at all. He might've been a town read to all but he also turned out to be quite useless to us. He wasn't here half the time. It's more likely that his slot got killed due to Kuribo taking over. Kuribo is vocal enough to make a difference.

Who is going to die (most likely) assuming both town?

Its very clearly Zef. That is a quiet quiet spot that has a loud player replacing in and everypony thinks is town. aka a threat.

This screams set-up to me. You didn't even ask if acfan has played with Kuribo, to make sure he knows that he's a vocal player. Town-you would do this.

The way I see it. Whoever killed Kuribo has most likely had experience with him before.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

post_id=4979237 time=1369421425 user_id=10128]So then why aren't we lynching someone who had played with Kuribo before?

Wow...
You made it back in my scum pile.
---
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Toomai

---

Why do you seek our approval? If you think we are scum, why does it matter?

I don't care about being voted.

-J

This seems so forced.
You've not responded to my bigger post. I'd like it if you did.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

"It doesn't matter if you think i'm scum and I don't care about being voted because I'M TOWN."
That's what you were trying to get across right?

[GoodCopBadCop]

If you first suggested someone killed kuribo for playing with him previously, why does hp saying the same thing make him scummy to you?

He's saying "why aren't we lynching people who have played with Kuribo?"

I'm not saying we should lynch people for having played with Kuribo. It's something to consider but it's fairly weak. The scum team could easily just have had one person who has played with Kuribo suggesting the kill. We can't rule out his teammates for not knowing. Hp hasn't given it much thought. He just agrees.

[GoodCopBadCop]

acfan's claim does look like bs. I'm not a fan of ending the day so quickly though.

@JFR - Why would scum-acfan add this extra part to his fake claim?

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

VOTE: acfan

L-1.
Someone hammer him.
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@CP

Did you get any information from it, or did it only become apparent after his death?

What do you mean?
He invited me into a daytalk enabled QT (neighborhood), that's all.

[GoodCopBadCop]

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

I woulda lynched ac1983fan yesterday, just sayin

-Badcop

[GoodCopBadCop]

Wow, such idiots.
Jake just stop posting so much.

Vote acfan and be done with it. CP dies tomorrow.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

There's no doctor. Acfan didn't get CCd.

- GC.

[GoodCopBadCop]

CP and Toomai left.

EBWOP - Ofc she'll be pissed. You should've just lurked. I would've sorted shit out .
EBWOP - You learn something new every game.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Jake, please tell me you didn't do what I did in your game! PLEASE!

[GoodCopBadCop]

Hp is also an option as well.

[GoodCopBadCop]

Jake, please tell me you didn't do what I did in your game! PLEASE!

lol, now I know who bad cop is

You wanna give it a new guess? I'll tell you if you are right

BTW I just wanna say that I totally wanted to lynch ac yesterday, even after the 1-shot doc claim

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

You didn't even try to guess



-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

haha no absta101 is goodcop because of that game

he's a damn fine cop

my methods are more questionable but it gets the job done with all these scumbags nowadays, thus I am badcop

-BadCop

[GoodCopBadCop]

CP is town. Scott and Hp are acfan's scum partners.

That's my conclusion of this game.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

VOTE: Hp

[GoodCopBadCop]

post_id=4991433 time=1369823891 user_id=10128]Also I shot Kuribo the first night so the Doctor should have two confirmed innocents by now.

What? You shot kuribo?

Can you claim fully please.

[GoodCopBadCop]

CP or Dys next.

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Hapa - CP and acfan have been defending/calling each other town hard. They aren't buddies.

acfan gave a list with CP at the top. CP defended acfan hard day 1.

acfan's reads on Scott and HP were just blank, "haven't seen enough but slight scum" reads. One if not both of these two are scum.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

So town so far has:

compulsive neighbourizer (day talk)
One-shot Tracker
JoAT

[GoodCopBadCop]

acfan voting Scott looked like a last second buss. I can vote Scott for association tells alone.
Hp isn't clear if Scott flips scum though (unless I missed something).

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Not gonna lie, this game has been boring me for some reason

and I'm pretty sure that town blew its load too early in terms of massclaiming

also I think the crazy 5-shot JoaT is town

-badcop

[GoodCopBadCop]

Varsoon was supposed to claim next btw.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Everyone's already claimed, no? The rest said VT iirc.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

I'm VT.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

I believe we have 5 lynches left if we lynch one more scum, assuming that there's only 2 scum left.
Without lynching scum, we have 3 lynches left.

There's still some people I'm unsure of so this game isn't over yet.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

I'm okay with lynching Scott first.

I think Hp should bodygaurd either Hapa or JFR. CP can target someone other than whoever Hp targets.

[GoodCopBadCop]

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

The thing is, I don't really believe him. I'd rather he dies protecting you or JFR if he's town.
Also, I find Dys more suspicious than Daemon. Acfan's attack on Daemon looked like scum vs town when I ISOd him.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

I mean, what's the point in him searching someone if the majority of us aren't going to believe his results without heavy suspicion.
If there are enough people that believe his claim, I won't complain. Otherwise, it's pointless.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Actually, nvm. It turns out the same if he's lying.

Let him search Toomai.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

@HP - u ever play with kuribo before?

You were all about lynching someone who played with him since it was suggested they may have killed him. That's kind of odd response if you killed him isn't it?

-J

Good point.
---

@Hapa - BC is just bored of this game. He said that a few posts back.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

post_id=4979237 time=1369421425 user_id=10128]So then why aren't we lynching someone who had played with Kuribo before?

This makes no sense considering you told us that you killed kuribo.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

.

I'm okay if someone wants to invest me with no issues I have nothing to hide.

You'd also know we were wasting an invest on you if you were town.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Hey guys, at the risk of sounding stupid I just want to say that I'm really suspicious of Rainbowjake

Jake from statefarm tends to be an irritating player as town, he is stubborn about his opinions and doesn't tend to listen to others and always sticks out like a sore thumb. As mafia, he is more willing to work with others and listen to others opinions. In this game, Jake seems to be playing as scum jake.

Rainbowdash I have seen be an amazing scum player, and her general MO is to try to take over the town with really confusing but simultaneously reassuring rhetoric that she is close to figuring out the game and will lynch the scum very soon. This also seems like scum-dash

I just want everyone to know this since I'll prob die somewhat soon

if our lynch today isn't scum, then really give rainbowjake a good look through with some scrutinizing eyes

-badcop

[GoodCopBadCop]

Fair analysis Hapa. What do you think if we make Hp investigate JFR?

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

The Scott lynch is good for information but Hp just looks more scummy atm.

Hp is currently at L-1

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

What the hell?

Anyway:
Hp town = Scott likely scum but not 100%. CP and JFR unknown.
Hp scum = Scott unknown. CP and JFR town.

That's how I see it.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

CP who did you protect?

JFR who did you track?

Scott is still a likely partner of acfan.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Y'know what fine.

Vote: Toomai

I currently have no idea what I'm doing. I will be a liability to the town until I flip or do a full reread (which will take a few days). We have two mislyches to give so go ahead and use one.

Replace out instead of wasting our lynches.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Cheery Pie - You said you protected me Night 1 because of my experience. Scott, Rainbow and Kuribo are all more experienced than I am. Why protect me over them?

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

and Hp according to his join date.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

It's possible that JFR is mafia traitor so they aren't conf town.

@Rainbow

- Who did you track last night?
---

I agree that Toomai is our best option atm.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Why not track Toomai/ SB?

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Hey guys, at the risk of sounding stupid I just want to say that I'm really suspicious of Rainbowjake

Jake from statefarm tends to be an irritating player as town, he is stubborn about his opinions and doesn't tend to listen to others and always sticks out like a sore thumb. As mafia, he is more willing to work with others and listen to others opinions. In this game, Jake seems to be playing as scum jake.

Rainbowdash I have seen be an amazing scum player, and her general MO is to try to take over the town with really confusing but simultaneously reassuring rhetoric that she is close to figuring out the game and will lynch the scum very soon. This also seems like scum-dash

I just want everyone to know this since I'll prob die somewhat soon

if our lynch today isn't scum, then really give rainbowjake a good look through with some scrutinizing eyes

-badcop

Sup badcop, Sup

Lol no you're right, good job rainbowjake

-bc

[GoodCopBadCop]

btw, GCBC, why the dramatics?

"I'll probably die somewhat soon"?

I mean really?

That was when I figured you were scum

Anyway at this point in the game I'm willing to just sheep you

-bc

[GoodCopBadCop]

@CP - Protect Rainbow.

I've got nothing else to say atm.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

The points about gc/bc's vote patterns are good, and I personally would like to see them lynched before both of you guys.

Dashie is also paranoid about them.

What the butt is this horseradish

When you guys are at lylo, lynch rainbowjake

since I know he won't get lynched before that

I'll probably be dead or lynched before then

-badcop

[GoodCopBadCop]

Can you guys who are calling me suspicious actually provide evidence instead of just going "lulz, GCBC's ISO looks kinda scummy".

The Hapa kill makes the most sense from RainbowJake's pov. They're getting protected by CP so there's no need for them to kill him.

Don't end the day yet. Things have started to get interesting again.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

The points about gc/bc's vote patterns are good, and I personally would like to see them lynched before both of you guys.

Dashie is also paranoid about them.

What the butt is this horseradish

When you guys are at lylo, lynch rainbowjake

since I know he won't get lynched before that

I'll probably be dead or lynched before then

-badcop

Agreed. My suspicion of them just came back. Daemon's point on us is shit. JFR is just adding support to the suspicion which looks scummy.

Daemon's point.

More so on GCBC because of the what looks like jump voting and mainly on town, but this is just speculation.

Which of my votes are you even referring to?
I was against the Cage waggon from what I can remember. I was a VERY early participant of BOTH scum waggons.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Can you guys who are calling me suspicious actually provide evidence instead of just going "lulz, GCBC's ISO looks kinda scummy".

The Hapa kill makes the most sense from RainbowJake's pov. They're getting protected by CP so there's no need for them to kill him.

Don't end the day yet. Things have started to get interesting again.

- GC

This is a prime example of a scummy ass post.

Why?
Put Rainbow back on. I want to here her thoughts. I can't tell if you're being a derp or if you're scum.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

The attitude with acfan is sticking out. You really pushed NC's lynch and would avoid acfan's for bad reasons imo.

You fucking retards, unvote him ffs. His response to your case was alright. Just because he claimed doc doesn't make him scum.

I'd rather lynch Toomai but we don't have time. NC dies today or there will be a NL.

I can't believe this shit. The pros of keeping him alive outweigh the cons.

- Scum-acfan could no-kill to make himself look better, giving us a free lynch.
- Town-acfan could get killed at night and we don't have to worry about him.
- etc

Lynching him now would be a 50:50.

But then:

I woulda lynched ac1983fan yesterday, just sayin

-Badcop

The first two quotes wer from me ( GC). Also, you're cherry picking.
1. I was against the NC waggon before the deadline got to like 1-2 days.
2. You don't lynch claimed PRs unless they're obv talking shit.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Dyslex

@acfan

- Use your ability tonight.
---

VOTE: Cage
This is a good lynch.

Also, we need lynch RIGT NOW.

The deadline is in a few hours.

It was out of NC or acfan. A claimed PR or a VT. NC was the best lynch.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

I'm ok with gcbc lynch actually.

Toomai/daemon have acted pretty town when called scum. Gcbc just flails.

YEP

there's the scumpost

Accusing someone of "flailing" when they are town, and especially when they are not flailing is a MAJOR scumtell

I only ask of you guys that you lynch rainbowjake after me

I KNOW that towns have a tendency to ignore the opinions of those they've lynched, so I'm really reaching out to you guys to lynch rainbowjake after we're gone

VOTE: RainbowJake just so that he doesn't somehow convince you that we weren't the most suspicious of that slot

if you guys ignore this post, you will lose

lynch rainbowjake next

there are no other options

its awesome because I haven't been flailing, and I'm actually cool with being lynched

I only ask that you come back to this post, realize that what I've been saying isn't a lie

and then lynch rainbowjake

-badcop

[GoodCopBadCop]

Your #530 is from 3 days before the new deadline. Also the quote you're referring to is from when acfan and NC were tied in votes, so NC was no nearer a lynch than acfan. His claim was next to VT.

I know they were tied... One claimed PR and one VT. That's my point.

Also, I just checked back. I wasn't early on the acfan waggon because I came off it. My bad.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Last I checked, I'm near confirmed town and you aren't.

Suck it trebek

I'm town as hell. Just ISO me and you'll see. Bitch.

[GoodCopBadCop]

How would maf traitor, mafia RB, mafia goon vs Doc and neighbourizer be in terms of balance?

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Flail more bitch

I'm still not diverting from the plan. Daemon/Toomai that's what dashie said, I listen.

lol

lynch this once we're dead

thats my dying demand

also lynching me is retarded as I was the main proponent of the acfan lynch on d1 until rainbowjake started pushing the idea of NEVER lynching claimed PRs which goodcop bought into

its pretty obvious that rainbowjake is manipulating everyone here

whoever is protecting rainbowjake at night, don't do it when I flip town, and just see what happens

you'll be fucking amazed at how rainbowjake doesnt die

-badcop

[GoodCopBadCop]

We just did, daemon

deal w/ it

-badcop

[GoodCopBadCop]

Last I checked, I'm near confirmed town and you aren't.

Suck it trebek

why aren't you calling yourself confirmed town?

if I was in as powerful a position as you are right now, I'd be declaring myself as confirmed town

its because you ARENT town, and you just want to seem like a calm, reasonable, rational townie

lol I hope town has the balls to lynch you once I'm gone

-badcop

[GoodCopBadCop]

You can't take a page out of my book.

Your iso is sketchy.

Dude, I just remembered. Who out of all the town did Kuribo invite to the neighborhood?
I've been so town from day 1.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

We just did, daemon

deal w/ it

-badcop

Just asking didn't see anything about it is all

tbh me either but whatever goodcop is talking about he's onto something

there's a reason I hydra'ed with him, and its because hes DAMN GOOD at this game

I'm pretty obviously town here, but I'm good with being lynched if it means rainbowjake goes next

-badcop

[GoodCopBadCop]

OH DUH

Kuribo invited us to the neighborhood because we were one of his top townreads! I didn't even remember that shit. Too bad it doesn't confirm us, it will just make the town feel like retards after we're lynched

lol rainbow's turning on us just confirms his spot in the graveyard tomorrow

I'll see you in hell rainbowjake

-badcop

[GoodCopBadCop]

Who said anything about a mafia traitor?

JFR can be mafia traitor unless it's not balanced.

[GoodCopBadCop]

rainbow you wont flip town and we BOTH know that

lol your "willingness" to be lynched is SO OBVIOUSLY FAKE

why would you be willing to be lynched when there's no pressure on you?

its because you know you're fucked tomorrow after my flip

[GoodCopBadCop]

I'll 1 for 1 with you.

Lets dance baby

this aint a 1v1 bitch

i get lynched today

you get lynched tomorrow

thats the deal

[GoodCopBadCop]

rainbow you wont flip town and we BOTH know that

lol your "willingness" to be lynched is SO OBVIOUSLY FAKE

why would you be willing to be lynched when there's no pressure on you?

its because you know you're fucked tomorrow after my flip

I gurantee you I flip town

i dont give a FUCK what you guarantee

you get lynched tomorrow

thats what this fucking game needs

[GoodCopBadCop]

rainbowjake you dumbshit

you really thought you could lynch this townslot without a fight?

you're screwed and you're gonna pay for it tomorrow

[GoodCopBadCop]

If you make a post that says

"I, rainbowjake, in my rainbowness, refuse to have ANYONE other than myself lynched tomorrow if GoodCopBadCop, in his badassery and righteous town fury, happens to flip vanilla townie"

I will self-vote in excitement that the game will be ended upon your lynch

[GoodCopBadCop]

CANT RESPOND TO THAT CAN YOU BITCH

YOURE GETTING LYNCHED TOMORROW AND THERES NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT


AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

[GoodCopBadCop]

Its awesome because Daemon, in his derpness, found a weird and obviously wrong reason to vote us


...and rainbowjake just sort of followed

and didn't become adament about it until we started pressuring him

lol its so obviously rainbowjake right now

just lynch that slot once I'm gone

[GoodCopBadCop]

Hi flailing mcflailerson

LOL

HES STILL TRYING TO AVOID THE LYNCH

BY ACCUSING US OF FLAILING

this isn't a flail--this is my way of GUARANTEEING that you get the lynch tomorrow once I'm gone

I'm actually quite calm

[GoodCopBadCop]

Fine. If you are town you are gonna look like shit when we flip town tomorrow.

You were by no way obv town.

this is the jake slot admitting that he realizes that we are town

discuss

[GoodCopBadCop]

Actually I haven't voted you. I only stated a small suspicion.

oh, tbh I haven't really been paying attention to much this game

besides my certainty that rainbowjake is maf

-badcop

also I was the first one to pressure ac1983fan but thats not gonna mean shit to you guys until I flip town and you guys are like "oh shit we are dumbasses"

[GoodCopBadCop]

I'm fine getting lynched tomorrow. You don't scare me

I'll go today if you want.

why aren't you self-voting in shame

is it because you are just PRETENDING that you are cool w/ being lynched?

yes it is

becUSE YOU ARE SCUM

[GoodCopBadCop]

The only slot that wouldn't need to kill CP is Rainbowjake AFAIK.

CP can't really be scum unless the Mod is crazy according to Rainbow.

- GC

P-Edit:

@Daemon

Is there anyway you'd be able to show proof of this at all?

Yeah. Kuribo is a 'compulsory'? neighbourizer (check his flip). He has to invite someone every night. If nobody CCd us, how could we not be telling truth?

[GoodCopBadCop]

lol BC, you're killing me.

[GoodCopBadCop]

Fine. If you are town you are gonna look like shit when we flip town tomorrow.

You were by no way obv town.

this is the jake slot admitting that he realizes that we are town

discuss

Learn what If means

why would you say "You were by no way obv town"

its a phrase that doesn't make ANY sense if you are talking to someone that you think could be mafia

YOUD BE ARGUING AND SAYING "NO YOURE MAFIA YOU ARE WRONG" if you actually believed what you are saying

you having technically included the word "if" in your statement has NOTHING to do with the way you just addressed me as town

[GoodCopBadCop]

If you have no problem following that lead then you don't need an explanation

just flip me and then flip rainbowjake

[GoodCopBadCop]

GCBC: Can you give us a bit more structured reasons why JFR is scum? I have no problem following that lead if you do in fact flip town, but right now it seems more emotional than rational.

I'm not sure yet. Need to know if mafia traitor is even balanced for this.

Scott get the fuck in here already. You're the only other experienced here.

You being neighborized doesn't mean shit either cause 1. It's unprovable

I just proved it.

The only slot that wouldn't need to kill CP is Rainbowjake AFAIK.

CP can't really be scum unless the Mod is crazy according to Rainbow.

- GC

P-Edit:

@Daemon

Is there anyway you'd be able to show proof of this at all?

Yeah. Kuribo is a 'compulsory'? neighbourizer (check his flip). He has to invite someone every night. If nobody CCd us, how could we not be telling truth?

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

LOL BEING NEIGHBORIZED IS UNPROVABLE

YOU SCUMFUCKING OBVIOUS SCUM

LOL

IM UNCCED BITCH

[GoodCopBadCop]

Forgot its compulsive. Do you were neighborized but doesn't mean you are town. Mafia can be neighborized too

Kuribo doesn't get town reads wrong. He's a legend, hence why he died.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

I'm fine getting lynched tomorrow. You don't scare me

I'll go today if you want.

why aren't you self-voting in shame

is it because you are just PRETENDING that you are cool w/ being lynched?

yes it is

becUSE YOU ARE SCUM

Why do your job for you? You want to mislynch me, convince people to vote me.

You being neighborized doesn't mean shit either cause 1. It's unprovable and 2. Neighbors don't gurantee you are town.

I don't need to do shit

All I need to do is flip town

plenty of townies have expressed their willingness to lynch you once I flip town

Funnily, I'm actually PLAYING TOWARDS MY WIN CONDITION by calling you obviously scum and being willing to be lynched

[GoodCopBadCop]

GCBC: Can you give us a bit more structured reasons why JFR is scum? I have no problem following that lead if you do in fact flip town, but right now it seems more emotional than rational.

That's all it is. He's mad.

He thinks we are traitor based on anger that both dashie and I think he's scummy. He even said we were town and when we call him suspicious he does a 180.

This is such an obviously scum post

remember how he said he's willing to get lynched after me?

he's going to retract ALL OF THAT once I flip town, and its obvious thats the direction he's going to go fromthe tone in this post

lynch this shit, he's obviously scum

I can't wait til I flip and everyone sheeps me

PS- kuribo is a fucking god and he read us as town, we are basically confirmed town due to that, he respected our reads, so everyone else BETTER FUCKING LISTEN ONCE WE ARE DEAD

[GoodCopBadCop]

I'm not worried dude. Lynch me today or tomorrow, I'll flip town either way.

THIS IS SO FAKE

IF YOU THINK IM SCUM, YOU SHOULD BE DEMANDING THAT YOU GET LYNCHED TOMORROW IF WE FLIP TOWN

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

YOU ARE SO NOT COOL WITH BEING LYNCHED EVER AND ITS SO OBVIOUS

[GoodCopBadCop]

We have 3 lynches left.

I gotta go sleep.

[GoodCopBadCop]

LOL BEING NEIGHBORIZED IS UNPROVABLE

YOU SCUMFUCKING OBVIOUS SCUM

LOL

IM UNCCED BITCH

Learn to read. It may help you in future games. I already caught my mistake and corrected it BEFORE you posted this.

OH LEARN TO READ GREAT POINT SCUM

LOLOLOL

[GoodCopBadCop]

Yes, you are missing the fact that kuribo TOLD US that he neighborized us because we were a townread

[GoodCopBadCop]

Here's dashie's posts.

"Thats quite a bit unbalanced.

neighborizer is a fairly weak role in most cases. Doc-Neighborizer would probably balance with just a RB-Goon (no third scum) at 13 players. Changing VT for scum knocks that way offcenter. Lets not forget RB-Goon essentially balances against Cop-Doc-5xVT (old newbie setup that ran mid-high 50% to town)

I would actually be kinda fine with lynching GCBC today and still outright claiming we are tracking Daemon (then going to Dyslx/SB)."

And

"204
Rainbow Dash
06-06-2013
08:14 PM ET (US)
Doc-Neighborizer-7xVT vs RB-Goon I would be willing to call balanced even though some would argue small town lean. Add a Traitor for VT and its a joke as scum should crush it."

And

"205
Rainbow Dash
06-06-2013
08:17 PM ET (US)
That should be 9x VT, not 7x.

11x VT vs 2x Goon is slight town lean

I would value Doc+Neighborizer addition as weaker than RB addition. So it balances there."

NOPE

NOPE
NOPE
NOONO NONOO

YOU FORGOT ABOUT THE PLAN RAINBOWJAKE

WE GET LYNCHED, YOU GET LYNCHED

THATS THE DEAL

YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO I AM, WHY AREY OU ACTING LIKE OUR META COMES INTO PLAY HERE AT ALL??

LOLOL YOU ARE SCUM

MUAHAHAHA

YOU HAVE NO IDEA THE THUNDER YOU'VE WREAKED

YOU ARE GETTING LYNCHED TOMORROW BY THE FURY OF THE TOWN I HAVE DECLARED IT

[GoodCopBadCop]

Actually I haven't voted you. I only stated a small suspicion.

oh, tbh I haven't really been paying attention to much this game

besides my certainty that rainbowjake is maf

-badcop

also I was the first one to pressure ac1983fan but thats not gonna mean shit to you guys until I flip town and you guys are like "oh shit we are dumbasses"

Just cause you pressured him doesn't mean shit btw, bussing/distancing happens often.

Not to mention that GC's play is nothing like my game and I saw his town play from the best perspective. GC's play this game as well as BC, has been lack luster IMO.


Dashie still wants to stick to the plan but thankfully she's busy so if we can speed lynch you, that would be awesome.

TOO BAD GOODCOP CHANGES HIS META ALL THE TIME IDIOT

IVE PLAYED AGAINST HIM TOO AS SCUM, AND INSTEAD OF PLAYING HOWEVER YOU THINK HE DID HE FAKECLAIMED COP WITH A GUILTY ON ME AND GOT ME LYNCHED LIKE A BADASS

SO DONT PRETEND HE CANT JUST CHANGE WHAT HE DOES

OH WAIT YOU ARE SCUM IT DOESNT MATTER

YOU GUYS ARE GETTING LYNCHED--I HAVE SCUM META ON BOTH OF YOU WHICH YOU ARE BOTH FOLLOWING

I DONT EVEN CARE THAT IM CALLING YOUR META ON GOODCOP SHIT AND MY META ON BOTH OF YOU GOOD

BECAUSE YOU ARE THE SCUM IT DOESNT MATTER

GET LYNCHED TOMORROW

[GoodCopBadCop]

I already said I am ready to be lynched. so suck it trebeck

GOOD HOPE YOU LOOK FORWARD TO IT TOMORROW

ILL SEE YOU IN IN THE HELL QT

TOWN--DONT DEVIATE FROM THE PLAN

RAINBOWJAKE WILLTRYHARD TO NOT BE LYNCHED TOMORROW

JUST HAMMER IT WHEN HES AT L-1 DONT SECONDGUESS YOURSELVES

[GoodCopBadCop]

Just cause you pressured him doesn't mean shit btw, bussing/distancing happens often.

Not to mention that GC's play is nothing like my game and I saw his town play from the best perspective. GC's play this game as well as BC, has been lack luster IMO.


Dashie still wants to stick to the plan but thankfully she's busy so if we can speed lynch you, that would be awesome.

YEAH DOUBLEBUSSING HAPPENS TOO WHICH YOU JUST DID IN THIS GAME

HAHAHAHAHA

I CANT WAIT TIL YOU GET NOOSE

[GoodCopBadCop]

btw, don't fall for GC/BC's flailing to think he is town, I can show you scum flailing in which town believed them and they won the game. Salamance did it in disney mafia and got a scummy nom.

LOL LOOK HES CHANGING THE SUBJECT

NO ONES FALLING FOR SHIT

IM GETTING LYNCHED TODAY

AND YOU ARE GETTING YLNCHED TOMORROW

THATS THE FUCKING PLAN

STICK TO IT

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAH I LOVE HOW YOU ARE FORGETTING ABOUT THE PLAN ALREADY YOU SCUMBUTT

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Rainbow - I don't know much about balance. I never considered a traitor as anything useful.
Also, Toomai coming out clean doesn't comfirm us scum. There's still SB and Dys.

VOTE: Daemon
That's a lynch.
- GC

oops.

VOTE: Daemon
- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Just forfeit. I'm not going to be that active from now on.

- GC

Ffs.

[GoodCopBadCop]

BC might will be here though.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Honestly I'm pissed that goodcop hammered without consulting me first

He's kinda been doing that all game

I fucking ball up the thread being obvious town and then he flushes all that shit down the toilet by hammering wrong

I'm not going to self-hammer, because I'm not scum thus I have no reason to give up

I wanna say though, I'm quite surprised you idiots are voting for our obvious fucking townslot over this gem:

So.... wow.

It worked I think. The whole "I will 100%

kill

Toom"...

Murderer!

I have a hangover and can't brain right now. But it sounds good.

VOTE: GCBC

"Murderer!"? Really? That's what you had to say right before you voted? Nothing about how this is technically autowin?

I'm not upset to be lynched (to be mislynched is an honor that I'll graciously accept), but I am upset that you guys are mucking up what would be an awesome victory by lynching an awesome, obvious townie

especially when I caught acfan d1, and now rainbowjake is fucking claiming all the credit. Screw you rainbowjake, screw you seriously

I'm especially pissed that you are probably town, because your balance discussion made a lot of sense. But I wasn't able to post that--because fucking goodcop hammered before consulting me and listening to my opinions

so whatever, hammer me if you want to be like "oh fuck that guy had good points the whole time"

or sheep me if you want to be like "oh fuck that guy had good points the whole time"

Both ways work

VOTE: Dyslexicon

[GoodCopBadCop]

I also wanna throw out there that I woulda lynched ac1983 fan despite the 1-shot doc claim, it was goodcop and rainbowjake that seemed to push the town onto random lynching a townie.

So if it was me in that tracker slot leading the town, we'd probably have won already, and we definitely wouldn't be going into night tonight (which is whats going to happen if this idiotic lynch goes through)

-badcop

[GoodCopBadCop]

Murderer because Jake said "I will 100% Kill Toom..." while I think he meant track. It was a joke, and not directed to you.

I don't really care to much anymore. You can lynch me too if you want to.
But GCBG caught acfan d1? Heheheheh. No.

reread the thread idiot

[GoodCopBadCop]

HOWEVER, I will admit that hp leaves fooled the shit out of me

I'm a sucker for ridiculous fakeclaims

-badcop

[GoodCopBadCop]

tbh I guess I can see why you want this slot lynched--because it looks like maybe I bussed one partner and defended the other or something? Is that your logic?

Because its wrong, and I bet if you reread the thread you'd be like "oh shit these interactions are genuine and not fake at all"

[GoodCopBadCop]

I love how when people realize they are about to lynch a townie because my posts are

so fucking genuine

, they just dismiss it as "whining like a baby" like that's even a scumtell?

I'm not the one with ego problems, Jake

Its pretty obvious that I'm town right now, ESPECIALLY because if I was scum I wouldn't have no-killed like a pussy, I would have killed the doctor.

Why is he still alive again?

I don't understand why the scum can't just kill the doctor, then kill you, then have a shot at POTENTIALLY winning in lylo?

-badcop

[GoodCopBadCop]

The only reason I think jake still could POSSIBLY be scum, is because the doctor should have fucking died by now. I don't understand ANY playerslot that would be OK with the doctor surviving except for Jake's.

But he's probably town for balance reasons. And thats a solid fucking point. I guess we just have retarded-pussy scum and town feels like lynching someone for "whining like a baby" instead of actually being scum.

Once again, this mislynch is a fucking honor. I'll wear that badge with pride. It will go right next to my badcop badge.

-badcop

[GoodCopBadCop]

insulting and whining like a baby isn't the way to go about changing my vote

lol, would me changing my strategy ACTUALLY make you think I'm town?

Because at this point you aren't pointing out ANYTHING I've done that is scummy, you are just lynching me because you are annoyed with me. This is personal. And that's why I'm going to wear this mislynch like a fucking badge of honor. Because I'm such a threat to both TOWN and SCUM, that everyone wants me gone. That shit's awesome.

-badcop

[GoodCopBadCop]

With 4 unconfirmed towns and 3 lynches left, one of which will be wasted on me, the doctor is definitely dying tonight.

And assuming that rainbowjake tracks incorrectly (because he's pretty bad lets be honest), that puts us at 2 unconfirmeds and 2 lynches.

Eh, I guess we're good

Scum should honestly claim at this point, except they probably enjoy trolling the town.

Tbh I'm the biggest troll of the town right now so I guess I can understand why I'm being lynched

This is my

Intent to Hammer

unless anyone wants more discussion

[GoodCopBadCop]

Look dude, you're wrong about me, and I've even claimed intent to hammer, why are you still trying to "prove" that I am scum? Just say that you have nothing else to say and that you are going to wait for my self-hammer

insulting and whining like a baby isn't the way to go about changing my vote

Because at this point you aren't pointing out ANYTHING I've done that is scummy
-badcop

really? - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5010876

This post wasn't even a case, it was more of a "best hits" review of my awesomeness, which includes great "analysis" from rainbowjake such as this:

Can you guys who are calling me suspicious actually provide evidence instead of just going "lulz, GCBC's ISO looks kinda scummy".

The Hapa kill makes the most sense from RainbowJake's pov. They're getting protected by CP so there's no need for them to kill him.

Don't end the day yet. Things have started to get interesting again.

- GC

This is a prime example of a scummy ass post.

Which is my partner literally informing you that we've done nothing scummy this game. If us telling you that we're not scum is a scumtell, then EVERYONE IS SCUM

but here you go. explain this one

I also wanna throw out there that I woulda lynched ac1983 fan despite the 1-shot doc claim, it was goodcop and rainbowjake that seemed to push the town onto random lynching a townie.

but YOU say this

Nah I'm good w/ lynching Nic

-bc

That doesn't look like a person who wanted to vote AC despite the claim to me...

Really? Saying "I'm good" with a lynch reads to you like someone who REALLY wants to vote Nic over AC? Saying "I'm good" is my way of surrenduring to my partner

Seriously, read our interactions in this game:

^^I decided for you

VOTE: acfan1983

A chance to show off my p2 read being accurate? I'm in

-BadCop

UNVOTE:

I'm not lynching a claimed PR today.

- GC

but whatever, you've got your blinders on (which is obvious since you are still trying to pin a "case" on me

after I've claimed intent to hammer

), so good luck tomorrow

Still gonna wait for some more discussion so you guys can figure out who to lynch tomorrow

[GoodCopBadCop]

Hush little baby, don't say a word,
Papa's gonna buy you a mockingbird.

And if that mockingbird won't sing,
Papa's gonna buy you a diamond ring.

VOTE: GoodCopBadCop

lol whatever

I'm only upset that you stole my self-hammer, which is dumb since I was about to do it and was keeping the floor open for discussion