NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I have read and understood my role PM. I don't know if Mollie has, but I have. And deep down inside, don't we all know that's what

really

matters?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I have read and understand the role I was doled by a mole in a hole that doesn't have another thing that rhymes with role.

Sole, pole, cajole?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

<<< Keep your hands and feet inside the hydra at all times, Majiffy. >>>

Go back to your hydra, scum!!

Slipping already Jiffy? The game hasn't even started, shame on you.

Confirm

Don't you have enough hydras?! Also, creepy avatar you got there.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

MaraMala has a bit of a ring to it.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Oh god it has evil little red eyes...

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I have read and understood my role PM. I don't know if Mollie has, but I have. And deep down inside, don't we all know that's what

really

matters?

oh god we are only in the confirm stage and I can tell already we are going to fight

oh great mods I read and understand my role pm

also what a way to find out mala is cheating on me. and with marangala

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I have read and understood my role PM. I don't know if Mollie has, but I have. And deep down inside, don't we all know that's what

really

matters?

oh god we are only in the confirm stage and I can tell already we are going to fight

Will there be makeup sex?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Oh please let it be a foursome.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Jiffy, you are such a dude.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Yeah I brought us a legion of sheep.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Yeah I brought us a legion of sheep.

I'd sheep Thor over you anyday Jiffy <3

You evil, unfeeling

bitch

.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

VOTE: Chephrir

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

This pre-RVS.

It has been silly.

Can we start over?

No. Now vote Cephrir.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I don't disagree with that.

Why is Cephrir town, I don't see it. He appears to be playing up a concept that makes little sense, while accusing me of the same, combining hypocrisy and also skeevy apparent intent in vote placement.
I want him dead.
What am I missing?

you're already blinded by beautyandthebeast trying to make you their pet townie

You must not think very highly of Thor to be saying this like this.

i also understood understood cephrir's gripe with people messing around in what is not really officially a game environment as sanctioned by the mod.

What town motivation exists to perpetuate RVS or even pre-RVS when we can move out of it as quickly as possible?

Enlighten me.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

* to be saying

things

like this

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

You must not think very highly of Thor to be saying this like this.

i don't know anything about thor. i know what it looks like when scum think they'll never get someone lynched so they'd better be on their side. you're trying to make it sound like i've somehow impugned him, probably to further this exact same agenda.

If I can be lynched, Thor can be lynched. Besides, if I was scum, I'd just kill him when it's opportune like I did last time I played scum against him. And I consider what you said an insult; you disputed his competency with that comment.

What town motivation exists to perpetuate RVS or even pre-RVS when we can move out of it as quickly as possible?

Enlighten me.

thats a nice twist on what i said. its not town motivation. its player motivation. the mod didn't say "go" yet so players who want to follow the rules of the game don't want to go. i didn't want to go. i wanted you all to kindly shut the hell up until the mod said go.

It's not a twist of anything. As a townie, your primary motivation in RVS should be to get the hell out of it as quickly as possible. There are some entities trying to do that. There are other entities trying to stop that. So, explain to me the town motivation for stopping the earliest possible ending of RVS. Because you called one of those aforementioned entities town, and are calling me scum (presumably) for having my vote on him.

though I do admit that I can see the reason behind the Cephir vote what I don't get though, is the Thor wagon.

Thor wagon is probably just a half-assed attempt at a pressure wagon. I'm not sold on OS either. You should vote Cephrir. If both parties of the Flowchart are voting it, you know it's probably scum.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

ROFL, why is Cephir town? I don't see it either, also why is Mollie/Jiffy scum?

1) please use the hydra's name if you're going to refer to it, so that future ctrl+f searches can actually find interactions.
2) i just explained all these things

1) This slot is Mollie/Jiffy.
2) If this refers to why Cephrir is town... no, you haven't.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Maybe I am.
You still didn't answer the question.

the implicit meaning is that i think cephrir is town because of the way beauty voted him. it has nothing to do with his posts.

Wait

WHAT.

You're seriously attributing a town read on an anti-town player because an unflipped slot is voting it?

Get the fuck out of my mafia.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I don't disagree with that.

Why is Cephrir town, I don't see it. He appears to be playing up a concept that makes little sense, while accusing me of the same, combining hypocrisy and also skeevy apparent intent in vote placement.
I want him dead.
What am I missing?

you're already blinded by beauty

I am perfectly fine with this statement since I get to be beauty in this game since someone called majiffy a beast

hi rofl!

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

someone called majiffy a beast

In BED!

HEYOOOOOO!

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

what i'm disputing is

whether this is even the rvs when the mod hasn't said go

you pompous ass. the mod could come in and say "none of those votes vounted, 24 alive, 13 to lynch."

... Ok? Then we'll place our votes over again. Your

point?

and i am pretty obviously calling you scum for how you're acting towards thor. but if this game is just going to be a giant circle jerk between omg besties about how awesome they all are at mafia let me know so i can replace out now.

Ok bye!

p-edit: I'm sure you'll have no problem fully explaining the logic as to how I "admitted

know [you're] town".

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Break out the noisemakers, now rofl is going to claim we can't legitimately scumhunt right now because the votes are going to reset themselves Monday!

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Maybe I am.
You still didn't answer the question.

the implicit meaning is that i think cephrir is town because of the way beauty voted him. it has nothing to do with his posts.

Wait

WHAT.

You're seriously attributing a town read on an anti-town player because an unflipped slot is voting it?

Get the fuck out of my mafia.

sorry if you disagree with my methodology but thanks for admitting you know i am town (because you are scum)

hai rofl remember that time you called me useless cos you didn't think I was doing anything? I spotted scummy nacho in like 3 posts but everyone was putting him in there town category for dumb reasons so I knew I couldn't get him lynched so I basically trolled him by sheeping all his votes and saying baaaaaa and posting pics of sheep? I was trying to figure out who his partner was which led me to guille cos that was the one player he had stayed completely away from. we lynched scum guille, I blocked nacho (who tried to kill me) and then we lynched nacho and BAM, we won! let's have a game like that.

don't talk to majiffy, he will just wind you up, just talk to me

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

tbh thor always looks scummy to me. I am leaving him to majiffy to sort out.

possible town read on spice and rofl slot. wow he was touchy. I guess he didn't want to talk to me.

red person, what's your dealio cheerio

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

also I am just getting this out there cos I will have forgotten it by monday

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Gut says you're a moron. So you're probably a moron.

Catching up.

p-edit: Fuzzy and I are well acquainted, don't worry.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

*headdesk*

Why would that be scummy to goof off? It's pregame and they can make something worthwhile in RvS.
See if they stick to it or not.

RVS is a tool, learn to use it.

It isn't scummy to goof off. It's scummy to try to keep us from exiting RVS. There's a big difference.

In other news, Cephrir continues to be obvscum and I will tunnel him all of d1 as soon as the votes count.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

^ scum

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

yes I will!

bulba tweaked my scumdar

nacho....

discuss

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Since you're here Jiffy, thoughts on Ryu?

dunnolol

I believe your other head is Mollie, correct?

...

Bulb, I've learned to kind of ignore Jiffy anyway. It'll become obvious if he's scum sooner or later.

Yes

You mean "when he's still alive at LYLO"?

I agree, but do you think they were trying to do this.

Yes. As evinced by the fact that I voted them and have been saying "they are doing this!"

Surprised Majiffy has only the one hydra fail.

I'm really trying this time.

I'll be in here when the game ACTUALLY starts.

Don't make me think bad thoughts of you, Nacho. Please don't do that.


{Cephrir, AK, Fuzzy}
Scumbutts.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I'm sad that in the first game I'm playing with Majiffy, he's in a hydra.

I feel like we've played a game together before, but I could be wrong.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Nope. Only hydras I have been a part of are TwoUpstandingGentlemen (Me + Thor) and this (Me + Mollie).

Nacho and I have one too but we've never played a game with it. We might eventually. Never know.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Lynching a hydra only makes it tastier.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Majiffy what is your read on Thor?

Looks like a TownThor, belittles like a TownThor, thinks like a TownThor.

Could be ScumThor.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Do prods happen in pregame? I don't know! but I surely won't be getting one!

Doing it right.

Hemhemhem.

Could be ScumThor.

<3

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Yeah the only thing that could make that better was if Gerard Butler was VOing it.

Or maybe Liam Neeson.

So it begins...

<<< Deleted double-posting. >>>

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

tbh thor always looks scummy to me. I am leaving him to majiffy to sort out.

possible town read on spice and rofl slot. wow he was touchy. I guess he didn't want to talk to me.

red person, what's your dealio cheerio

This at me?

Being a paperman if so.

But do tell me about Thor a bit, why do you always think he is scum? Give me some background on him.

mollie here

I always think thor is scum cos of how manipulative he is, which is alignment neutral for him I think. experienced players tend to steer town regardless of alignment and thor, from what I have noticed, does this. I haven't played with him enough to gain any solid relative tells so I tend to be sus from the get go and go after him. that is why I am leaving majiffy to sort him, I think he can read thor better than I. so far I think thor looks scummy but majiffy will leave him alone and we will have to argue about it in gchat.

what is interesting about this question is that I get the feeling that you are less wanting to know more about thor but more wanting to know about us.

Fuzzy, the fuck are you doing? :T

Mollie, don't you be dodging my questions girlie, why do you have Copter as town?

we both have a scum lean on him. You could also answer the question I gave to Jiffy if you want

I have Red as null,I had him leaning town for his gambit earlier but I think he's being a tad hypocritical in regards to Thor. He criticizes Thor for failing a reaction test, when his test obviously failed as well. He calls Thor dumb town, though really I think he is Dumber then he is, or he is scum who is doing what he accuses Thor of doing.

We will dance with the other Hydra Later when I start getting unsure feelings about them, but right now I feel comfortable with leaving them somewhat alone, especially with better targets to go after

weak town read. genuine frustration married with I could follow his line of thinking. his reactions to majiffy's push seemed to be in the moment and consistent with what I think someone who wants a certain style of game and is willing to walk away from the game itself. I find that it is town who usually wants things to go a certain way and gets frustrated when the expectations are not met. if he is scum then he just shat on his team, cos he could have been an asset since no one at the time was reading his responses as scummy. but tbf, I have not seen a rofl scum before but I stand behind my gut feeling to his interactions.

this is what I have right now on my spreadsheet notes:

cephir - #119. if cephir is scum then rofl is likely town. also post #71 seems weird

red ryu - #74 good post, #125 is terrible. he is in the firm unsure pile

spice girl - #132. I had the same reaction. town herd and all that

fuzzy - #146 - why don't you want to lynch him right now? half assed sus does not work

purplecat - #102 felt good

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

why

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

cos you said, "now THERE is a scum if I ever saw one"

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I took it about as seriously as your response to my "why" question

do I need to reset

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Still Sunday for a few more hours on the Americalands.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Specifically towards pirate mollie, how/when did your Town lean towards roflcopter develop? Did the replace out matter more, or did the replace out solidify your lean?

around p5. "how", it was the way that rofl reacted to majiffy (didn't I already explain this?). the replace out is null, I don't think it is alignment indicative. rofl looked town to me cos of how he reacted not because he got all dramatic and went ahead and replaced out.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Current townreads are here:
3. Cephir
5. DLG
7. roflcopter
10. Thor665
11. Red Ryu
18. ActionDan
19. fuzzybutternut
22. BeautyAndTheBeast (Majiffy+pirate mollie)
24. ArcAngel9

I like most of this list

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

lol, it's mollie here. do you still want me to answer?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

B&B, then.
So yes.

cephir and arc

not getting the same signal as nacho, I am getting more of a mixed one

cephir is majiffy's read and arc is mine; she just reads as null at this point

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Why are your views so polar opposite to our recent meeting Nacho?

what are you even talking about here

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

page 6

rofl was towntowntown

Lots of buddying from B&B, they can be scum with Ryu. Thor is probably town. So is Cephrir I think?

~

who are we buddying exactly?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Why are your views so polar opposite to our recent meeting Nacho?

what are you even talking about here

Reference to an old game.

Bulba, but are you willing to this game?
B&B, the skull stands for Destroyer.

okay.

why are you telling me what the skull stands for

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Thor

~

as far as I have noticed, majiffy and thor are always like that in games. if it were just me, thor and I would probably be arguing right now

how is what we have done "buddying" when thor sheeped our vote? how did we "buddy" exactly?

eta: your list sucks

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Obvious sucking up to Thor since this was a completely useless comment unrelated to rofl's that he was responding to.

rofl said that he thought that thor was blindsighted by our beauty. majiffy responded with "you must not think much of thor then".

how is that useless and unrelated

More subtle, but still there, especially with that cute little white knight motivation of "Oh you insulted Thor how DARE you! RAWRGLEBARGLE"

I think it was a valid point.

And no, my list doesn't suck. It's a treasure.

it most certainly will if you flip scum at some point. as town, no

~ [/quote]

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

you know who is being strangely quiet?

nero

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

What town motivation exists to perpetuate RVS or even pre-RVS when we can move out of it as quickly as possible?

So, could you explain why you were perpetuating it until someone else decided to change things up?

Perpetuating?

I didn't see anything scummy, ergo I didn't act. When I did see something scummy, I did act. How is that in any form

perpetuating?

Consider yourself officially on my shitlist.

See, this isn't the way it all went down, from my point of view. roflcopter was calling you scum for your play towards Thor665. As a result of that read on you, he was giving more of a Town read towards Cephrir.

Why are you trying so hard to flip the script?

Why are you trying to superimpose scumminess onto my play? You'll note the parenthetical word - presumably - in the quote. From my POV, he was calling me scum for voting Cephrir.

Jiffy, who do you disagree with on that list?

A number of entities. Notably Cephrir and DLG.

Reads list incoming.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Town
{Bubla, Thor (weak), Slandaar, Oversoul, AA9}

Null
{The rest}

Scum
{CrashTextDummie, Cephir, Nacho (weak), DLG, Fuzzy (weak), Om (weak)}

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Also

VOTE: Cephrir

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

So that list is in no order then?

In order of the playerlist in the OP.

Well, that list sure is abysmal.

So are each and every one of your posts.

Majiffy, let's talk about massclaim.

Lets not and forget that you're even supporting such a god awful idea.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Because d1 massclaims in larges are scum ideas pushed by dumbtowns that don't realize they're scumpushed.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

benefit =/ cost

I didn't like it in terrible mafia

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

The only reason it was a good idea in Terrible Music was because half the playerlist had already outted.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Brb mommy and daddy are fighting in Google chat.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

because rofl makes a valid point in that it isn't necessarily competency that drives whether a person is blinded by buddying or not

Majiffy's "oh you must not think highly of him then!" is a somewhat-subtle "yes thor is awesome go fuck yourself"

It was more of a "Thor isn't dumb enough for that to work" comment.

I don't think it's a bad idea to start a massclaim early, get players with good synergy to get working with each other, get a little info from PRs, catch one or two free scum, dominate.

Because "catch one or two free scum" never fucking happens.

reads with no basis are a GO!

~

Which ones would you be interested in hearing more about?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Papa don't roll that way. Don't want to be giving scumbutts like you legitimate reads to sheep reasons from.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I realize you didn't ask me but I for one would like to hear what Slandaar and AA9 have done that makes them such shining beacons of towniness that they don't even get (weak)'s. As far as I can tell, it looks like your list is based entirely on whether or not people agree with you.

It's largely based on whether or not people agree with me, yes. Because I am town. Ergo if you agree with me, you're likely town.

Slandaar's rather brief post including you and Fuzzy as scumreads and his strong stance against the massclaim make him town.
AA9's reaction to the Oversoul wagon makes her town.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Well thanks for admitting it upfront that these reads have no real basis I guess?

And no, agreeing with you is not a basis and not necessarily town motivated, and I know you're a better player than that.

All of my reads have basis. Thanks for being an opportunistic little twit, scumbutt!

Town motivation comes before action, not the other way around. Your logic is flawed.

Wow, that's a ridiculously self-centered viewpoint. By that logic anyone who suspects you is scum.

Welcome to my scumlist.

Not true. I know my alignment is town, but only because of my role PM. Other players didn't receive my role PM, ergo their conclusion can differ from my own in regards to my alignment.

But you're a scumbutt, so you needed a way to OMGUS me, eh?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

NEEEEERRRRROOOOO

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Leaving you to Mollie since that was mostly based off her read on you. I think she's reading you as town now, or at least nullish town.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Townies are going to be able to look at the same information as you and come to different conclusions, even if you are town. Welcome to mafia. Welcome to earth. You are not the standard for objectivity. This is patently obvious.

You sound a little butthurt. Is it because you're caught scum? I think it's because you're caught scum.

Not to mention, guess what? Scum can piggyback on a townie's opinion because they know it's one that came from a townie and therefore a legitimate conclusion that someone could have reached! "He agrees with me"

You mean, like why I'm not giving all the reasons behind all my reads?

Oh shit, look at that.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

vote:B&TB:)

vote:OS:)

Gambits went out of style last year. Did you get the memo?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Bulbazak is scum? Lets make a poll!

Current Tally:
Yes: 1.
No: 0.

No.

I'm arguing with the part where you said Slandaar and AA9 are town for no other reason than agreeing with you, not because you refuse to give reasons. Though I can't say I'm especially a fan of that either.

Except I gave reasons. And it isn't "for no other reason" than them agreeing with me. Their posts in particular showed town motivation. Maybe you should go re-read my response

very carefully.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

"Largely based on" agreeing with you, plus:
Slaandar: A detailed description of what he agreed with you about. Great!
AA9: A reaction that I thought was scummy. Great!

I'm beginning to grok that you aren't very good at this game.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

You're reads are based on the heavily flawed concept that town will agree with you and scum will agree with you. That's...not scumhunting.
What the fuck does that last statement have to do with anything? The action comes from town motivation, yes; agreeing with you is not necessarily something that comes from town motivation.
Your statement is not a refutation.

That's not the be-all-end-all of my scumhunting. Or even a big part of it. Stop strawmanning.
Your statement seemed to imply that I was looking for actions first and placing town motivation behind it. That's not what I'm doing at all.
Your posting is bad.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Multiple Personality disordered. LOL

Yeah I lol'd at that, too.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Oh the last two posts were you, HD?

Ok yeah you're pretty much confscum then.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Oh yes I'm totally strawmanning something you

fucking said yourself

:

It's largely based on whether or not people agree with me, yes.

So tell me, where's the strawman?

You made the statement that all my reads were based off that. This is untrue and a strawman, as that statement is only about two reads.

And in a way, it

is

what you're doing; you're saying "Oh people that agree with me are more town than people that don't" based on...absolutely nothing.

Also untrue. Town motivation -> Town thinking -> Town actions.
If the actions and the thoughts are the same, there's a good chance the motivations are the same.

Oh the last two posts were you, HD?

Ok yeah you're pretty much confscum then.

And yet,

you aren't voting me.

I only have one vote.

I'm not, but I appear to at least be better at logic than you, and none of that changes how scummy you are.

I should take the time to inform you that the two thoughts in this sentence don't make a whole lot of sense logically as they're not related - or if they are, it makes even less logical sense, as you've not posited an argument to support how poor logic -> scummy

I understand (albeit disagree) if you don't want to give all the reasons for your townreads, but you can't call someone 'confscum' without backing it up...

Are you chainsawing HD now, or are you trying to defend yourself limp-wristedly here?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Maybe you should read my post why I explained why I don't want to out all of my reads.

Fact about

whom

? Yourself, or HD? Stop deflecting.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Inconsistency ho!
Firstly, leaving out the word mostly is not a strawman of any sort and saying so is pretty contrived, so you can kindly shut the fuck up.
Secondly, one post says your reads are largely based on whether people agree with you or not, but now only 2 are based on that concept.
Which is it?

1) If mostly, then your argument holds no water. Argument only stands if only/all, not mostly.
2) Follow the quotes. It was only

ever

about only two reads. Slandaar and AA9.

Scummy town are called scummy town for this reason.

Because people suck at this game?

So...you're voteparking on someone that isn't the person you've called "confirmed scum"...why?
It isn't like you're doing much in the "convincing people to sheep you" department anyway.

Because the other one is just as scummy as you are, if not moreso.

I'll get around to it eventually. The game only just started. Hell, I haven't even been home since the game started.

WHATS UP CHOOBIES BACDE IN DA HOUSE

Vote Cephrir.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I understand (albeit disagree) if you don't want to give all the reasons for your townreads, but you can't call someone 'confscum' without backing it up...

Are you chainsawing HD now, or are you trying to defend yourself limp-wristedly here?

I was stating a fact. Scumreads require reasons, because you need reasons to get anyone else to believe you, and the point of scumreads is to get them lynched. That's just how it works. Otherwise you're about as useful to the town as Glenn Beck would be.

Contextualized that for ya.

In other news I am apparently scummier than 'confscum'.

I can read, thanks. Keep dodging the question, scumbutt.

Lynch this please.

Really? You're already desperate enough to resort to semantics? You realize it's still not okay if all but one of your reads are based on agreeing with you, or actually if any of them are, right?

#Lolcaughtscumarguments

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I don't know what question you're referring to, but I added context because you didn't seem to understand my point. Apparently now you've just decided to ignore it?

Who is the confscum I didn't give reasons for, HD, or you? And what exactly is your point? That you're an idiot who can't read between the lines?

Since not everyone in the game is tunneling me, you're gonna have to actually debunk my arguments rather than laugh at them. Or, just keep standing by yourself in a field yelling about how I'm scum. That's fine too.

What

arguments? Lol

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

red is town

hey j

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

why is no one voting

did I replace into "be a wuss" mafia

Yes. Now vote Cephrir you tard.

The 'confscum' in question was HD.

I refer you to my "reading between the lines" statement. I'm going to be busy for the rest of the night, so I don't have time atm to expound on how retarded you are. Maybe Mollie can explain should she take the time to read through our ISO.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

based on the VC it looks like "not voting" has been lynched

what was the case on "not voting"?

He slipped that Cephrir was his scum partner. Now vote Cephrir.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Oh Mastin..

You evil, evil mod. Did you really put a post restriction or some type of post modifier on Nero.

___

@Fenix:

So what did you learn after catching up? Because voting him without giving reasons or thoughts is quite - well scummy as hell.
Then you call out Nero for doing the same thing. >.>

___

@B&B:

Mollie answer my question or else I will have to go extreme measures. (You do not want this)

____

I'm not liking this whole; "If I'm correct then Nero was silenced."

The whole PR or even fishing for information is scummy as hell.

So

FoS: Cephir.

wrt the bold: I did answer?

but glad you decided to sheep our vote!

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I did!

he hasn't insulted me once so I am sus of him

eta: but then oh, nero has to do thing again

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

incongruency with post #428

I still do not understand it

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Fuzzy looks town as of right now. I could be wrong, but I'm not going to argue with a gut feel.

When Fuzzy is scum he tries to do pro-town things to look pro-town, but when he's town he doesn't really give a shit how his posts look.

Well;

You have to keep in mind I have a gut town feel on him. So of course I wouldn't vote or even FoS due to that. Ceph was looking like he was trying to fish so I called him out on it.

when did you play against scum fuzzy?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

you know this mafia game has all of the ingredients to make it a personal hell for me but so far it isn't that bad

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Uh, DlG, when Mara gets back.. You will have an answer to 199 as we have some unsure people that we want to poke at.
Although, the first one was a joke. I'm not sure why you are taking it seriously.
___

The Mollie/Jiffy might be town. Mollie part feels town to me at the moment.

___

I'm not sure what to make of AA9 well the wagon on OS is fast and might be a QL. It's just off because I don't feel as if she's looking for scum.

AA who's your biggest scum read and your biggest town read?

Me missing the joke is probably attributable to tone deafness on my part. I'm not part of the clique, so the inside jokes may go over my head.

I'm still curious about how you can needle at the pirate mollie head of BeautyAndTheBeast for ignoring your question, and at the same time declare you intend to leave BeautyAndTheBeast alone in lieu of better targets.

I pretty much agree with you on BeautyAndTheBeast being likely Town, and agree with your assessment of ArcAngel9. Hey, since I'm Town, and we agree, you must be Town, too.

Just ask Beast

.

Do you have enough experience playing with ArcAngel9 to say whether this is unusual play for her? Because, I sense she's more part of the group of players familiar to each other. I'd like to know if you think she's just coming across as scummy as a natural part of her playstyle/personality.

lol

you're scum aren't you

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

red, nacho is likely town

will you plz look at dlg's posts when there are a couple of flips

or better yet

read what he is saying now and see if there is anything to it. to me it looked like he was wanting to for sure wrangle a town read from us before placing us in his town pile

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I don't think either of us like him but for different reasons. I don't like their list of reads, but listing them in the first place seems townish, I dunno.

firmly unsure

ftr I don't like arc's posts either

I think bac is likely town

help me sort out eddie and mac

this was me

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

god you read as indie

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

why aren't you trying to lynch us slandaar it is making me paranoid

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

independent wc

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

nero are you bored

cos that was pretty dumb even for you

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Fuzzy looks town as of right now. I could be wrong, but I'm not going to argue with a gut feel.

When Fuzzy is scum he tries to do pro-town things to look pro-town, but when he's town he doesn't really give a shit how his posts look.

Well;

You have to keep in mind I have a gut town feel on him. So of course I wouldn't vote or even FoS due to that. Ceph was looking like he was trying to fish so I called him out on it.

you are comparing a meta read here which later say you do not have

Oh Mollie, Mollie.

I have not played against a scum-Fuzzy, but so far played against a town-Fuzzy. He's showing town-Fuzzy similarities.
I can't really say where the meta part is coming from, but I'm indirectly pointing to where. Just think outside the line.

idgi

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I've had a very busy 48 hours. I'll try to get to this later tonight.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

So Mollie, why did you call me a 3rd party?

cos that is how your posts came across

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I'm back on page 12 and will continue to kind of suck for a while yet as long as posting continues at this pace.
Sorry, but my current work situation is really only allowing me 1-3 pages a night, tops, and at the moment you're all posting faster than that.
I will have time to catch up on the weekends and active participate then, until that point you'll get messages sent into the future from me.

I'm currently back in the OS push and massclaim discussion.
I feel like I'm in a game with Pie again.

I'd be fine with massclaim (though I suspect that discusiion has probably died long ago as invariably the suggestion is talked about at length and then never followed through on.)
I'm...okay with the OS push, will be curious to see where it goes (if anywhere). I certainly agree his claim is totally derpy and skeevy. I'm not sure that I buy it as a scum strategy though, and frankly lean town on him for it and dislike the current push insomuch as I think it's scum driven (I like it insomuch as it's a decent sized push)
I'd still kinda like to run up Red Ryu and am in favor of whoever it was that was pushing on him (Nacho or Om, I forget...though frankly I'm content to buddy both at the current moment.)
I could buy the B&B = scum case as they don't look shingingly town to me...but the current case seems to be based around buddying me and;
1. Doesn't everyone
and, more importantly
2. B&B is comprised of two players who most assuredly would tend to do that to me regardless of alignment...so...?

I consider it 'meh'.

That's about all that seems to be worth discussing thus far.
Normally I'd slap out a vote for lulz, but I'm too lazy to look up the vote count and on the off chance a flash wagon formed I don't want to push it too far without knowing that I am.
Tomorrow I'll read a few more pages.

there was a vc on this page

too lazy to scroll up?

I am only not pouncing on you cos of majiffy

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

it is not alignment indicative I also special hunt maybe you should do a site search for that

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

then vote him

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

there was a vc on this page

too lazy to scroll up?

I am only not pouncing on you cos of majiffy

There was a vote from me on this page.

Also a vote count.

Too lazy to scroll up?

I'm pouncing on you because I like to belittle people silly enough to question me.
Why aren't you guys voting Red Ryu? I hope there's an answer in the rest of my reading.

red ryu reads like jerome to me

as much as I dislike jerome I will not vote him, unless he looks scummy

right now whoever it is does not look scummy

why do you think he does

is it cos he questioned you? that is a sorry reason

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

sheeping nero let's see what this does

VOTE: nacho

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

although I really think we should be voting thor

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

well he looks scummy

like I said, I am leaving majiffy to sort him

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

UNVOTE: nacho

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Him trying to lead the town to vote someone day 1

with no real backing

, and the overall attitude of the player has my scum radar going off the charts right now.

You're not reading very carefully, are you?

leave the stupid fruit alone, Nero is town and even derp as fuck Mollie knows it. Now lets all kill Fenix.

Lol. Let's dance, Baby boy.

ok, why did your catchup post contain nothing but a vote for B&TB?

Kept it short and sweet because I think he is scum and that's where I want my vote.

Also lol @ you voting me for pushing a lynch "with no real backing" and then this is your given reason for voting me.

And if the steamroll happens, it happens. I could careless about someone's "meta" because they can use that said meta to play/look a certain way on either side of the ball. So, at the current time, I don't trust, ANYONE, but me.

wegotabadasshere.jpg

Yes,

perpetuating

. Your first 11 posts were all bullshit banter. That means you were keeping the pre-game stuff non-game related. Perpetuating it, even. The question was why you shifted gears when someone else changed the tenor of the conversation.

You didn't see anything scummy, fine. But, your posts weren't designed to find anything scummy, either. So, again, I ask, why did you shift your style when someone else changed the game environment?

per·pet·u·ate

/pərˈpeCHo͞oˌāt/
Verb
Make (something, typically an undesirable situation or an unfounded belief) continue indefinitely.
Preserve (something valued) from oblivion or extinction.

The above signifies taking active, meaningful action in response to something trying to stop a situation. You'll note that I did not do this; as soon as something came along that I perceived could push us out of RVS, I followed up on it. This is the exact

opposite

of perpetuating. It also answers your second question.

Now kindly fuck off.

All things considered, I think you're slot isn't scum. The answers both of your heads gave regarding potential scum motivation in your posts seem consistent with a Town mindset much more than a scum agenda.

Your Cephrir push is weak. His suspicions towards your slot make sense from a Town point-of-view. ...

BeautyAndTheBeast is likely town and needs to get over the push on someone else (Cephrir) who is likely Town.

Yes, buddy me, that will make me think you're town.

My Cephrir push has nothing to do with his suspicions on my slot, so clearly you have no understanding of why I'm pushing Cephrir for you to call it weak.

Cephrir isn't town.

lol

you're scum aren't you

Yeah that pinged for me too.

just to help out Mollie 'cause technically 3rd party are still scum and even though it was pretty apparent that I was referring to the mafia in 510 but I wanted to make that crystal for her.

Not true. On her home site, most indies have town-friendly wincons. Ergo indies aren't necessarily scum.

1) ...no, it still applies. If your reads are even mostly based on who agrees with you or not, they still are horrible. It's like saying 1 or 2 good reads makes up for 10 bad reads, it makes no sense.
2) Provably incorrect:

...
So yes, you saying your list was largely based on whether or not people agreed with you was in response to Cephrir saying the same. Only the second half of said post talked about Slandaar and AA9 specifically.

~

1) Except that's not what I said... so... good job?
2) Read the sentence before that, wherein I was directly asked about my reads on TWO slots. Herp a fucking derp.

I'm going to bet Mollie and Jiffy are fighting on who their vote should be on

No, I wasn't around to yell at her. I was a bit furious when I saw that she had moved our vote, though. She will receive many spankings for this.

VOTE: Cephrir

Next post will be a comprehensive Cephrir case for you retards who haven't picked up on why I'm voting him yet.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Aw, look, a bad reaction test that ignores the current game state and a player who is functionally playing as neutral as a neutron.

Now I have three people I'm willing to lynch.

I like the overconfident/hyperaggressive town mindset usually but this statement is just ridiculous. No one even knows if the game has started yet.

Vote: Thor

THIS is perpetuating RVS. He's voting someone

for trying to get us out of RVS

. "Wah! The game hasn't started yet! You can't start being serious! Wah!"

Scum.

Well, you were claiming you were ready to lynch someone because they posted "/confirm" and nothing else at a point when it wasn't clear whether we were even supposed to be posting anything else. If the game had started it wouldn't be AS ridiculous, though I'd still take issue with you being ready to lynch on page 3 barring a really obvious tell.

#tryinghardtolookliketownposting

Beauty and roflcopter are both incredibly silly.

>Doesn't know what to say when two townies are fighting, but feels a need to say SOMETHING because "look I'm participating in meaningful discussion!"

How is that role supposed to be anything but useless? We'd find out that information after Night 1 anyway. Not to mention you just outed yourself as not having any useful abilities for no reason?

If you were intending to claim before CTD suggested a massclaim, why didn't you do it during pregame?

I've only skimmed the last couple pages but for now,

Vote: Oversoul

>Shameless wagon hop

Number 1

Reads after actually reading intervening pages: Amethyst Kitty, DLG, rofl, Beauty for town. Ryu confuses me, want to see more. Scum vibes from fuzzy but I also thought he was scum in Amnesiac Mafia and he wasn't, so... eh. I don't know how I feel about Thor- the questioning/deliberately obtuse playstyle is kind of annoying but Beauty seems to suggest this is not out of the ordinary.

If there are indeed multiple killers in the game, massclaim could lose us a lot of PRs quickly. But it might also result in said killers killing each other more. Conflicted. I do think mods generally account for the possibility, and there were, after all, a million reviewers.

This is a lot of words for an awful lot of nothing. Who does that? Oh yeah. Scum.

Wow, that's a ridiculously self-centered viewpoint. By that logic anyone who suspects you is scum.

Welcome to my scumlist.

>Needed a reason to OMGUS.

Good point. It's not like I actually want to lynch Oversoul.

Unvote, Vote: BeautyAndTheBeast

>Shameless wagon hop

Number 2

Then theres a lot of obvscum bullshit that if you read the argument between myself and Cephrir should be blatantly obvious. For brevity, I'll spare the quotes.

If you're implying meta, Fenix is a Goon and thus probably not aware of it.

Possible scum slip that should be followed up on with investigative roles on Fenix if Cephrir flips scum.

Guess I need to take another look at Nacho as I have him as null. Will do tomorrow.

>Preparing for shameless wagon hop

Number 3

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

He was suspicious of someone for confirming. You can't tell me that's not ridiculous.

If you're town you should just stop playing this game. Uno might be more your speed.

Wow, what a shitty point. You could say that about anything that sounds like a townie post.

No. There's a distinct difference between "I am town" posting and "I am trying to look like I am town" posting.

Just my way of saying I thought the two of you were townvtowning...

Yes, that was exactly my point.

Yes I'm obviously scum for changing my vote, that makes sense. I also spent this post detailing why I was about to vote Oversoul, it's not like I didn't have reasons.

Your reasons sucked. And I think a lot of them were a rehash of what others had already brought up. I can't be arsed to actually fact check this though.

I listed some town reads and an opinion about massclaim (leaning no). And it's not even that many words.

AK - No reason given
DLG - No reason given
rofl - No reason given
B&B - No reason given
Ryu - Null, leaving open for future target
Fuzzy - Scummy but I always read him as scum - aka, null, leaving open for future target
Thor - Playstyle ergo null but leaving open for future target

Statements on MC were self-evident and #tryingtolookliketownposting.

Tell me more about your excellent say-nothing post.

Wow it turns out if you want to portray every action someone takes as scum, you *can*! It's not like your logic wasn't complete garbage, or like Om had just posted really good reasons to vote you as had I in my previous post....

All of the aforementioned has been thoroughly refuted in prior posts.

This wasn't even a wagon yet.

Someone else had already voted me and was actively pushing. This is a moot refutation to my point.

What the actual fuck are you talking about? His user title is Goon, as opposed to Mafia Scum, so he is new and doesn't know about meta.

Ah. Well disregard that, then. Doesn't really matter; that was more of a self-note than any kind of point against you.

Way to suspect me for something I hadn't even done yet, and I have no intention of voting Nacho, I just want to try to see what everyone else is seeing. No, don't worry, my vote was never going to leave you for quite a while.

"Oh god I got called out on it I better act like that was never my intention to switch to a more promising wagon!"

That was one of the most retarded cases I have ever responded to. Reach harder.

^ Lynch this. Thanks!

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

It's not like your logic wasn't complete garbage, or like Om had just posted really good reasons to vote you as had I in my previous post....

Wait... Om had good reasons to vote B&B?! I must have missed that...

You should probably just vote Cephrir.

Thanks!

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Oh, it's okay for you to withhold reasons for your town reads, but not me. Okay. That said I'll gladly provide reasons for all my reads up to this point fairly soon.

The only thing your back-and-forth with Om established was that you're an idiot, and you managed to refute approximately nothing.

Most of your other points consist mostly of "Nuh uh that wasn't what you were going to do" (a useless argument) and "You're trying to look town" (a teleological argument).

When your reasons for pushing me include not giving reasons for all my reads... yes, it's

not

ok for you to withhold reasons for town reads.

You would have to take that stance, wouldn't you?

Cute strawman. Also I eagerly await your argument re: teleological argument.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I was actually wondering why nero is not talking about one of his utility craps.. Thanks.. but i have no interest being your PL target today.

I wasn't suggesting that we lynch you. I was just saying that if we did then you'd be a utility a lynch.

Though if Angel does flip scum I'd be very very tempted to lynch B&TB for lukewarmly calling me scum and might be a chainsaw.

jesus christ nero, indies are not scum. you were reading as an indie at the time fucking get over it. on my homesite we treat indies differently

@ arc - what are you talking about, the last few posts were by majiffy

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

We are not playing on your homesite you stupid ditz. And that's all you had to say in the first place. I'm not the only one that you interpreted it as you calling me third party scum.

do you think that you can somehow manage to not be a colossal douchebag in a game? please? I didn't call you scum you dummy you came to that erroneous conclusion all on your own. an intelligent person would probably have asked, "what do you mean by that?" but no, its you and god forbid you do anything except bitch and moan in a game

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I was actually wondering why nero is not talking about one of his utility craps.. Thanks.. but i have no interest being your PL target today.

I wasn't suggesting that we lynch you. I was just saying that if we did then you'd be a utility a lynch.

Though if Angel does flip scum I'd be very very tempted to lynch B&TB for lukewarmly calling me scum and might be a chainsaw.

jesus christ nero,

(1)indies are not scum.

you were

(2)reading as an indie at the time fucking get over it.

(3)on my homesite we treat indies

differently

@ arc - what are you talking about, the last few posts were by majiffy

1) Yes they are.
2) This is not an answer to the question "How was I reading as Independent?"
3) This is Mafiascum, not wherever you come from. Justifying your bad play with "that's how we play on (insert other site)" is not likely to be effective.

1) no aren't
2) he didn't ask
3) my approach to indies will still probably be the same regardless of what site I am on. I try to work with indies if they have a town compatible win condition
4) fuck off

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

arc, I don't capitalise hasn't this been covered before

in other news I am not sure what to make of bulb's mancrush on majiffy I mean omg

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

okay bulb is starting to down right freak me out

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

<<< Now seems like a good time to quote the rules. >>>

-Posting content every day is preferred, but not mandatory; the cutoff is 72 hours (3 days), after which you'll be prodded. You have 48 hours (2 days) to respond or be replaced; three prods is also a replace. Make sure I'm aware of your V/LAs!
-Follow the spirit of the rules. (No rules lawering.)

For example, a post consisting merely of "prod dodge" does not count as a post to reset your posting time.

(It follows the letter of the activity rule, but violates the spirit.)

Activity:

Treat this game as a devotion; you signed up to play, so actually play! Try posting content every day. If you don't post every 72 hours (3 days), you'll receive an official prod unless you declared V/LA. If you do not post for another 48 hours (2 days) (total of 120 hours [5 days]), or would receive your third prod, I will replace you. I also hand out unofficial prods on player request.

Technicalities:

No loopholes! Follow the spirit of the rules, not the letter.

mastin rules with an ironfist itt

<<< It helps me fight The Fair Folk. Quite handy in a brawl, too. >>>

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

in other news I am not sure what to make of bulb's mancrush on majiffy I mean omg

Worried you might be replaced?

nah. majiffy values his body parts too much

so you are chick huh

why are you hardcore buddying us? cos that is what you are doing and while majiffy will be flattered, I am not impressed. you seem to "have meta" on majiffy when you have stated that you have never played with him before.

@ slandaar - why are you staying away from us?

@ arc - that isn't quite what I mean by indies but yeah, people will sometimes read as indie cos they have their own agenda

@ everyone - also I thought red ryu was someone else cos he is using tr jargon but I think he just picked it up from fery in another game.

@ kitty where are you it is like you have abandoned me I will need years of therapy to recover from this

@ om - do you mean to tell me you really think we are scum.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

We are not playing on your homesite you stupid ditz. And that's all you had to say in the first place. I'm not the only one that you interpreted it as you calling me third party scum.

Here you accuse me of having a win con independent of the both town and mafia, which would mean you were accusing me as scum like a SK or even a survivor. Both Nacho and OS also came to that conclusion.

indies are not scum you dummy

Tell me why do I read as independent as opposed to scum?

Here I asked why I read as independent which totally blows your "he didn't ask" argument out of the water. This would have also been an appropriate time to clarify that you weren't calling me scum.

I also reject your claims that I'm being a "colossal douche" and "bitching and moaning". You said something stupid, I asked you about it, you deflected away from said question. Asking you said question and you failing to provide a decent explanation and me wanting to shoot you in the face isn't bitching or moaning, its scumhunting. I don't really like the fact that Jiffy runs in and says that on your homesite not al indies are scum...why you couldn't state that last night, I don't know.

because I do not get how people think that all indies are scum, that thinking is pretty foreign to me and the sites that I play on. I have only played on one site where they treated all indies like scum and it was a game where I had to find the indie who was an SK until I found him where if I did, I became doc and he became vig. town totally screwed themselves by lynching him anyway "cos he is not town!" but i had a pr where I couldn't tell them any of that. nor could he. it isn't why we lost but it certainly hurt.

nacho and majiffy know where I come from and why I think the way that I do, I honestly think arc has the right of it you are making a big deal out of nothing. your natural playstyle might just automatically lean towards indie I know mine does, it happens with more experienced players

and yes you are being a colossal douchebag as always but I had hopes that you might not be for once. it doesn't matter if you don't think so I still think you are

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@ om - do you mean to tell me you really think we are scum.

No, I was only voting you for 10 pages for absolutely no reason.

~ (Applies to big wall post too)

well you didn't have a reason that is kinda my point.

the buddying crap is baseless I mean it is right there in majiffy's sig that he tries to work with thor in every game they are in.

also do you know what chainsaw defense means cos I am not sure.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

so you are chick huh

Nah, dude. Just wanted to have some fun with you.

why are you hardcore buddying us? cos that is what you are doing and while majiffy will be flattered, I am not impressed. you seem to "have meta" on majiffy when you have stated that you have never played with him before.

When I was preparing for my first Mafia game, I read many games, several of which happened to have Majiffy in them. Your hydra's actions during pre-game gave me a very strong townread of you. Om was presenting an argument that was so stupid that I felt I had to address it. I tend to defend my townreads, especially when it's over something as dumb as what Om presented. However, when he actually had a decent point, I didn't say anything.

P-edit: I'll get to Om's wall later. Right now I'm going to eat.

I don't remember anybody asking you to defend your town read on us what you are doing is wking which something totally different and is an typical objective scumtell although I know some town do it too but usually only with players you know pretty well. you don't know us so why are you doing it

what did you see in our early posting that made you put us as town

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@ om - do you mean to tell me you really think we are scum.

No, I was only voting you for 10 pages for absolutely no reason.

~ (Applies to big wall post too)

well you didn't have a reason that is kinda my point.

the buddying crap is baseless I mean it is right there in majiffy's sig that he tries to work with thor in every game they are in.

also do you know what chainsaw defense means cos I am not sure.

I still think it has basis, I see obvious scum motivation behind it.

And yes, that is a chainsaw defense and I know what it means. Half of Bulbazak's wall basically attacks my B&TB scumread.

it is only a chainsaw defense if you have a flip on scum. otherwise it is just a word salad tossed with hot air in order to firm up a weakass case

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

but I want to kill scum Nacho or atleast utility lynch the horrible OS and B&TB slots.

if nero was ever actually

not

a retard in a game I probably would be very suspicious

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

dear nero,

stop being a colossal douchebag and focus on the game cos otherwise you are putting on the hypocritical tighty whities cos what you are doing is anti-town right now if you are indeed town which I am leaning on

for the love anything holy, leave me the fuck alone

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I was actually wondering why nero is not talking about one of his utility craps.. Thanks.. but i have no interest being your PL target today.

I wasn't suggesting that we lynch you. I was just saying that if we did then you'd be a utility a lynch.

Though if Angel does flip scum I'd be very very tempted to lynch B&TB for lukewarmly calling me scum and might be a chainsaw.

jesus christ nero,

(1)indies are not scum.

you were

(2)reading as an indie at the time fucking get over it.

(3)on my homesite we treat indies

differently

@ arc - what are you talking about, the last few posts were by majiffy

1) Yes they are.
2) This is not an answer to the question "How was I reading as Independent?"
3) This is Mafiascum, not wherever you come from. Justifying your bad play with "that's how we play on (insert other site)" is not likely to be effective.

1) no aren't
2) he didn't ask
3) my approach to indies will still probably be the same regardless of what site I am on. I try to work with indies if they have a town compatible win condition
4) fuck off

In this context, where the only third party is a Serial Killer, then indies are scum. Forget what you think you know because there is no such thing as a town friendly indy in this game.

"He didn't ask" are you serious?

But what's Indie supposed to mean?

Tell me why do I read as independent as opposed to scum? Can't hunt your own team?

So Mollie, why did you call me a 3rd party?

ok...I'm still not getting it....why 3rd pary instead of teamscum?

Your 3rd point is mindboggling. You're going to approach 3rd parties the same way you always have, and work with them if they have a town compatible win condition, when that

literally isn't possible?

There are no town friendly 3rd parties in this game. Do I need to put this in its own post or what?

Finally, what's with the hostility?

I am not getting how you are immediately discounting indies, the large game list for accepted roles isn't super clear.

but idc. nero was throwing me off a bit and I am still unsure on him even though it is typical town for him to be an ass to me

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

dear nero,

stop being a colossal douchebag and focus on the game cos otherwise you are putting on the hypocritical tighty whities cos what you are doing is anti-town right now if you are indeed town which I am leaning on

for the love anything holy, leave me the fuck alone

Except what I was asking about was completely game relevant. There was no need for you to get annoyingly self righteous and act like a little kid.

I don't care if you are town, I'm still gonna fucking shoot you.

and this is why you read as indie. you don't care if you fuck over town

I would think scum would be less blatant about but hai there is always a lesson to be learned

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

om thoughts on ctd

that was me

eta: om

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

so what do you think of nacho's list again, om?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Sorry for my lack of activity; I'm currently training for a job, and I'm getting another job offer across the state, as well as a job "hint" from a friend nearby... Hard to sort all these things out, and lots of ins and outs and strands in the ol' duder's head.

I'll get to this tomorrow.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Eddie and Slandaar and Oversoul seriously wtf?

I'm trying to move this game in a direction and you three are being deliberately anti-town by not even responding to my strong assertion I made just 4 posts ago

guys bc is right. this is scum nacho we are seeing

VOTE: nacho

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Eddie you are way off base on this. Let's suppose everything you say is true, and that any townie "with two brain cells to rub together" could figure out the answer. Well, Bulba isn't sure that Oversoul is town, is he? So if he's scum, he has to come up with a satisfactory answer for his actions, which by definition will be manufactured because he isn't town. You stepping in to answer the question for him, even granting everything you say is genuine, still interferes with his scumhunting of Oversoul. This is what he means when he calls your behavior anti-town, and he's 100% RIGHT.

I 100% agree with this we even have a name for it on several sites that we have been using for years it is called "guapo's law". it means do not answer questions that are directed at other people it is bad town play

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

ak remind me later that I think you are town at this point when I decide to eat paranoia flakes at 3 am and start going after you

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

kitty what is your read on bulba

majiffy is like hardcore about cephir being scum. and I mean hardcore

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

why aren't you wanting to vote nacho, nero, you had him as scum like 5 minutes ago

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

hey kitty what do you think of bulba

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Not true. On her home site, most indies have town-friendly wincons. Ergo indies aren't necessarily scum.

What does that site have anything to do with this site?

Because it directly influences her playstyle and mannerisms, which is something you're trying to twist into some kind of tell.

Looks like Beast (majiffy) abandoned the Beauty (mollie) in the hydra.

No, I'm here. Just incredibly busy.

1) Yes they are.
2) This is not an answer to the question "How was I reading as Independent?"
3) This is Mafiascum, not wherever you come from. Justifying your bad play with "that's how we play on (insert other site)" is not likely to be effective.

Psst

, your stupid is showing.

in other news I am not sure what to make of bulb's mancrush on majiffy I mean omg

Comes with the celebrity.

okay bulb is starting to down right freak me out

Lol.

You can freak out when you find out he has papered his walls with quotes of mine in various threads.

(Spoilered because it's long, but

DEAR GOD, FUCKING READ IT

.

Spoiler: PLEASE READ

Ooh, I'm going to keep a misrep tally! (If you guys want to know what I'm referencing, go read the MMBN4-6 LP on the LP Archive. You'll get it the instant you read it.)

The Om Case:

page 6

rofl was towntowntown

Lots of buddying from B&B, they can be scum with Ryu. Thor is probably town. So is Cephrir I think?

~

I've already said why this is a bad point. First, I couldn't remember any sort of buddy type interaction between Majiffy and Thor, so I went back to page 6 to check it out. Wouldn't you know, they don't really interact with each other, AT ALL. Majiffy says one thing on this page, and it has nothing to do with Thor.

Misrep Tally: 1

I never said it was on Page 6; as can be evidenced from my other posts, this meant I had REACHED Page 6.

Second, Majiffy is one of those players that NEVER buddies, mostly because of the type of player he is. I would have expected HD, as a more prominent player, to be familiar enough with Majiffy's meta to know that the buddying accusation is absurd.

Misrep Tally: 2

If Majiffy never buddies, EVER, explain to me how I was able to point out buddying spots in Post 288.

But Bulba

, you might say.

What if HD has never played with Majiffy before, and therefore, is not...

And no, agreeing with you is not a basis and not necessarily town motivated, and

I know you're a better player than that.

Nevermind. Continue with your case...

Misrep Tally: 3

In order for this to even be valid, I'd have to be in games where Majiffy and Thor were in a game

together

. This happened twice, and in both of them Majiffy was scum. (Thor was town in both but got culted in one)

You must not think very highly of Thor to be saying this like this.

Obvious sucking up to Thor since this was a completely useless comment unrelated to rofl's that he was responding to.

Yeah, you might have a point. I mean if it's unrelated to Rofl's brilliant...

I don't disagree with that.

Why is Cephrir town, I don't see it. He appears to be playing up a concept that makes little sense, while accusing me of the same, combining hypocrisy and also skeevy apparent intent in vote placement.
I want him dead.
What am I missing?

you're already blinded by beautyandthebeast trying to make you their pet townie

Actually, nevermind.

That post is both insulting to Thor and B&B. No wonder they made that comment. Not buddying.

Misrep Tally: 4

There is no insult in said post. Roflcopter makes an observation that B&TB is buddying with Thor. This is Mafia 101, not Preschool.

Would you also like to explain why Thor never expressed that he was insulted by this statement,

but in fact said it was entirely possible that B&TB WAS buddying him

?

Besides, if I was scum, I'd just kill him when it's opportune like I did last time I played scum against him. And I consider what you said an insult; you disputed his competency with that comment.

*snip*

If both parties of the Flowchart are voting it, you know it's probably scum.

More subtle, but still there, especially with that cute little white knight motivation of "Oh you insulted Thor how DARE you! RAWRGLEBARGLE"

Wow. That looks really bad.

Let's go back and look at the original:

though I do admit that I can see the reason behind the Cephir vote what I don't get though, is the Thor wagon.

Thor wagon is probably just a half-assed attempt at a pressure wagon. I'm not sold on OS either. You should vote Cephrir. If both parties of the Flowchart are voting it, you know it's probably scum.

You mean the original point had nothing to do with Rofl or Thor? It was about B&B and Kitty's scumread on Cephrir? What can this mean?

Misrep Tally: 6

Yes, I'm counting that as two misreps.

Here's why; it completely ignores the first part of my post (the one that quotes "And I consider what you said an insult; you disputed his competency with that comment.") which is fairly obviously what I was referring to, and uses the OTHER part of the post ("If both parties of the Flowchart are voting it, you know it's probably scum.") which is unrelated to said point, to act as if I had misrepped B&TB.

Okay I only read from page 10-15 because everything kinda went over my head but I support HD's B&B vote but not for the reasons that I read (don't ask me what my reasons are either, it's mainly gut ).
Also AA is pretty much town.
Everything else kinda went over my head.

I'm probably just going to watch a bit from the sidelines as the game goes on before I really step in.

Also HD is totes crampin mah style.

Urgh, smileys

~Pertayter

Translation from the Om head: "I'll be lurking over here if you need me."

I'm not counting this as a misrep, but this isn't actually scummy considering I've been controlling the hydra this entire time and contributing, so to say we're scum for not contributing doesn't even apply.

Inconsistency ho!
Firstly, leaving out the word mostly is not a strawman of any sort and saying so is pretty contrived, so you can kindly shut the fuck up.
Secondly, one post says your reads are largely based on whether people agree with you or not, but now only 2 are based on that concept.
Which is it?

1) If mostly, then your argument holds no water. Argument only stands if only/all, not mostly.
2) Follow the quotes. It was only

ever

about only two reads. Slandaar and AA9.

1) ...no, it still applies. If your reads are even mostly based on who agrees with you or not, they still are horrible. It's like saying 1 or 2 good reads makes up for 10 bad reads, it makes no sense.
2) Provably incorrect:

I realize you didn't ask me but I for one would like to hear what Slandaar and AA9 have done that makes them such shining beacons of towniness that they don't even get (weak)'s.

As far as I can tell, it looks like your list is based entirely on whether or not people agree with you.

It's largely based on whether or not people agree with me, yes.

Because I am town. Ergo if you agree with me, you're likely town.

So yes, you saying your list was largely based on whether or not people agreed with you was in response to Cephrir saying the same. Only the second half of said post talked about Slandaar and AA9 specifically.

~

HD calls this an inconsistency and seeks to prove it with bolded phrase. Ignores the sentence before it asking about the 2 reads specifically.

Misrep Tally: 7 (Hey guys, we're up to 7 misreps IN ONE POST. If you aren't voting Bulbazak yet, you now have some 'splainin' to do.)

The word "it" fairly obviously refers to the list, so B&TB is

clearly responding to the sentence I bolded.

The second part of the post

clearly referred to the point made about his AA9 and Slandaar reads.

IMPORTANT: THE WORD "IT" IS SINGULAR AND CANNOT MEAN "2 SPECIFIC TOWN READS I HAVE".

This is 1st grade reading comprehension folks.

-snip-

So by my count, in this post, you've declared 3 scumreads, one of which is "scummy as hell", another of which deserves an FoS. Where's your vote?

Went back to look at Kitty's post. She doesn't outright declare ANY reads, instead only asking questions or clarifications from 3 people. She does call Cephrir scummy because of some recent posts, but she FoS's him for it. Where did you learn to read?

Misrep Tally: 10

Misreps Amethyst Kitty

2 times

AND myself. That counts as 3 misreps.

And just to prove it...

@Fenix:

So what did you learn after catching up? Because voting him without giving reasons or thoughts is quite -

well scummy as hell.

Then you call out Nero for doing the same thing. >.>

Scummy as hell.

@B&B:

Mollie answer my question or else I will have to go extreme measures. (You do not want this)

Strongly implied scumread.

I'm not liking this whole; "If I'm correct then Nero was silenced."

The whole PR or even fishing for information is scummy as hell.

So

FoS: Cephir.

SCUMREAD THAT DESERVED AN FOS.

So that's three scumreads, dawg.

Leaning scum, because I don't think you're that stupid.

Yes because calling someone out on doing something scummy is definitely stupid and scummy.
Mmm hmm.

Nice strawman. I called you scum, because I don't believe you to be stupid. The 2 were never connected.

Misrep Tally: 12

Calls on word semantics to call this a strawman; counting this as 2.

You called the action scummy or stupid. This therefore implies I am scummy or stupid. You saying that calling it scummy or stupid isn't a connection is fucking ridiculous.

omg HD my skype hasn't received your message
I'm probably not going to be completely on the same page as HD until we can get something going (hooray for planning ahead ).
So it'll probably be fine tomorrow.

~Pertayter

Already stated how useless this post was and that it gave you a reason to lurk later.

Except the hydra isn't lurking.

Look. A useless post.

Is there any way you can actually make a decent attack on our slot at all this game?
I mean seriously if you want to attack a post like that you might as well attack anybody declaring V/LA in the future.
Also some of your posts are useless too bby

Deflection.

Misrep Tally: 13

Om points out something legitimately scummy about Bulbazak, Bulb deflects it by calling it a deflection. (Ironic, right?)

Second, the difference between someone declaring V/LA and your post is that you essentially said "I can't talk to HD. Not going to say anything else.". There was no point in saying any of this, as you could just as easily have messaged HD via PM. This was posting for posting's sake.

I don't even know how you managed to get 'Not going to say anything' from 'We might not be on the same page for at least a day'. At least get your facts right.

More deflection via semantics.

Misrep Tally: 14

Even more fucking ironic considering

Bulbazak is the one resorting to semantics here.

Right now is my pregame thanks. I hope you realise I've openly stated that I've barely read any of the game. However I don't particularly need to. Also :meta reasons: useless posts are a frequent pastime of mine.

Giving himself another excuse to active lurk.

And yet again, I point out this hydra is not active lurking and that one head not posting doesn't make a hydra scum.

Fucking lol. Please, tell me why we're even scum in the first place. Your arguments aren't even scumtells.
Useless posting isn't a scummy thing unless it's done repeatedly (and I've only been in this game for a day). Informing people about things like activity and potential dissonance isn't a scummy thing either, it's just being fucking informative. Attacking someone who is easily perceived as anti-town doesn't even say why the fuck we're scum. If someone is perceived as anti-town, you'd vote them, otherwise you won't get anywhere. Just because they have a history of looking anti-town doesn't mean they aren't scum. Your chainsaw defense of B&B is meta-related without any evidence to support your statements. Not to mention that you've tried to discredit us multiple times too....

~Pertayter

Flailing.

Misrep Tally: 15

Another deflection of his scumminess being called out.

Also I'd kinda like to know why I'm definitely scum compared to OS when:
According to you, I'm scum because: Useless posting and attacking someone you think is town for meta reasons.
According to you, OS is scum because: Bad knee-jerk reaction to RVS vote, backpedaling, contradicting claims, suspicions on trying to use claim to gain townie status and he hasn't said very much at all.
(Note: I don't exactly support the OS wagon right now (nor do I entirely oppose it), this is just my interpretation of his reasons for suspecting either of us)

Like seriously wtf? If you're going to attack OS for a bad knee-jerk reaction to a vote then I'm pretty much going to do the same for you, only in your case there wasn't even a vote before you started reacting terribly (as evidenced by your P-EDIT).

~Pertayter

Explained why this was bad. Tries to deflect attention off them and onto OS, who they have repeatedly called town.

Misrep Tally: 16

Calls this a deflection of attention to OS when Om

specifically says

he isn't particularly interested in the OS wagon. He's also calling this a deflection when Om is clearly using OS as an example of Bulbazak being hypocritical and NOT as wanting to wagon OS.

In conclusion: Misrepping,

Misrep Tally: 17

deflecting,

Misrep Tally: 18

setting up reasons to active lurk,

Not a misrep, but not scummy and only coming from one head

and outright lying.

Misrep Tally: 20

This deserves special mention.

Nowhere in Bulbazak's case does he state that we are outright lying about anything.

This counts as two since he misrepped us AND his own case.

This post is scumtrash.

More in the next post.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

dumb as fuck Mollie

Sorry, mate, but you don't hold a candle to her.

Ceph is also in the scum read list.

You should vote him then.

The above signifies taking active, meaningful action in response to something trying to stop a situation. You'll note that I did not do this; as soon as something came along that I perceived could push us out of RVS, I followed up on it. This is the exact

opposite

of perpetuating. It also answers your second question.

Now kindly fuck off.

So, I take it that you didn't find Thor665's Betegeuse tell on Oversoul something that could push us out of RVS? I'm curious about your Oversoul read. Do you have one?

And, for what it's worth, you're not nearly impressive enough to dismiss me. No matter your own over-inflated self-image.

Read OS as town, which I'm fairly certain is blatantly obvious if you look at my posts in this game.

Your lack of awareness to the aforementioned is a good argument in favor of your own lack of impressiveness.

We appear to have very different definitions of buddying. Could you share yours and how it applies to how I developed my read on you? Or, failing that, could you explain why you're throwing mud at me?

I think you're scum. Which, again, is blatantly obvious if you look at my posts.

I know that wasn't part of your case on Cephrir. My intent was to say that your case on him is weak.

Then argue against it. I made a cohesive post; shoot down my points.

Otherwise, this is just rhetoric with no backing.

I think the case is weak because the initial point about trying to prevent exiting RVS is o.k. as a starting point for many games. But, I truly don't think it's a real valid indicator of alignment. I also think it's weak because your accusation isn't really accurate.

That's not the whole case either. Maybe you should spend a sunny afternoon reading through my ISO. You seem to be missing an awful lot.

My general rule of thumb when analyzing reactions to a D1 massclaim suggestion is that the most likely scum reaction is no reaction.
...
B&B is the worst offender in this game, because they've been very active throughout.

Hey, moron, go look at my early posted reads around that time and look at who was actively involved in which side of the mass claim arguments.

I have never personally seen scum support D1 massclaim. The following players did:

Does this include scum being the initial voice for the idea? Because if so, look at Aunt Jemina in YCBA Probably at least one other scum on that team also supported the idea.

Although I think I already had you as scum, so this kind of BS makes sense.

Second, I think Mollie is tempering Majiffy enough to make the hydra readable.

More like 20 hours a week of blackjack dealer training on top of all my other engagements.

@ slandaar - why are you staying away from us?

Are you scum?

That's Mollie's way of saying she wants to work together.

If you AREN'T voting nacho after this post, you need to explain why

Mollie can read Nacho better than I can. Also Cephrir is like 100% scum.

Why aren't you voting Cephrir? You should explain that.

Eddie and Slandaar and Oversoul seriously wtf?

I'm trying to move this game in a direction and you three are being deliberately anti-town by not even responding to my strong assertion I made just 4 posts ago

guys bc is right. this is scum nacho we are seeing

VOTE: nacho

Welp.

Any gut feels of reads or anything.

I feel an overwhelming compulsion to follow the flowchart.....

You mean voting Cephrir?

More in the next post.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

no. I'm not gonna vote for Nacho. Not now or ever.

Cop this guy.

No fucking no.
Do not ever try and direct night actions.
Let the person who has the role do what they feel is right.
Plus

we don't

know if there's even a damn cop in the setup.
Shut up.

Directing night actions really isn't that bad.

Are you unable to say something original?

Are you unable to

vote

the little scumbutt?

wtf no.

Directing who should be copped is far better.

You let people know who you want, if you are the cop, or you tell the cop who may not have a good pick who might be one.

If he dicides to go with a different pick fine by me.

But fuck that, I will direct what I choose.

#townposting

I am full of uber fail.
I don't think I have ever actually posted a prod dodge post before...but this is basically that.
Don't hate me.
Content will come on the weekend, pinkie swearz.

That feel.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Town

{

Bulba

,

Thor

, Slandaar,

Oversoul

, AA9,

Bacde

,

Red Ryu

,

Nero Cain

, }

Null

{The rest}

Scum

{CrashTextDummie,

Cephir

,

Nacho

, DLG,

Fuzzy

,

Om

, Fenix}

Updated reads. Bolded are strong, italicized are weak.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

hey bulb

here is a compelling argument for why you should vote nacho

majiffy is actually letting me have my way in this.

he knows that I am pretty good at spotting scum nacho. if nacho is town he knows how to communicate to me in an unmistakable way and he knows that I will fight like hell to keep him from getting lynched.

anyways nacho told me before we even signed up for this game that he was having connectivity issues and its true, he has not been online very much. actually I haven't seen him online at since his last post

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

OS COULD be scum, but the way nacho is attacking him makes nacho DEFINITELY scum

Explain.

hey bulb

here is a compelling argument for why you should vote nacho

majiffy is actually letting me have my way in this.

he knows that I am pretty good at spotting scum nacho. if nacho is town he knows how to communicate to me in an unmistakable way and he knows that I will fight like hell to keep him from getting lynched.

I like to rely on my own reads of the game. If you believe Nacho to be scum, make a case why.

town wins as team and loses as a team. part of mafia is learning how to spot who is and isn't on my team and working with the people who are. what bc is saying about nacho is very true. bc <------ probably on my team. I would like to hear from nacho before we lynch him though.

also I take it you do not know what a meta case is. you don't out other players relative tells cos you will lose them cos then that player can just update their meta. so you are probably not going to get much more than it is a meta read cos there is no way in hell I am outing to nacho what he does that is indicative of his alignment.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Hey, moron, go look at my early posted reads around that time and look at who was actively involved in which side of the mass claim arguments.

I realize that abrasiveness is en vogue these days, but I personally do not appreciate being called a moron.

My heart goes out to you and your family in this trying time.

Does this include scum being the initial voice for the idea? Because if so, look at Aunt Jemina in YCBA Probably at least one other scum on that team also supported the idea.

No, it doesn't. I have never seen scum support massclaim when I've suggested it as town. We've already established that scum are capable of suggesting massclaim.

So how can I know that your "reaction test" wasn't just a failed scum gambit that you're now trying to play off in a town way? Your reads certainly sucked and lacked a level of depth, and you've cleverly avoided commenting on something like half the game.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

aight mala just wait for your better half to post in the QT that I'm town town town cuz we're gonna win this game baby

@AA9 I actually do have reasons for thinking that you are scum. Does this improve your image of me?

Also I never said that I feel guilty, I said that if you keep trying to guilt trip me then I will feel guilty in the future. after your guilt trips

But lemme guess--you are moving into a Bacde-scumread right?

lol

bc I am back in mafia love with you. I am here for you <3

nacho has a kill tell that he drops I wanna see if he does. I always get paranoid about him cos I think he is one of the few people who I think could sneak past my meta reads if he ever figured out what it is that I look for.

mala, bc is my one of my strongest town reads.

what do you think of ctd and cephir they are tweaking majiffy's scumdar pretty hard. I can see it more with ctd than cephir but 1 of the reasons I like hydra-ing with majiffy is that we see different things and balance each other out. he is awesome for other reasons too.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

It's ok that's what I thought when she said it, too.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I understand thinking that someone is town or scum due to meta, but that is as useful by itself as gut is, good enough to suspect someone as scum and perhaps vote them, but not good enough to base an entire case on and convince other people to vote. I currently have Nacho as a null read, and I'm not going to just blindly jump on a wagon when I have many strong scum reads I can vote for, some of which are pushing the Nacho wagon.

I also have Nacho as a weak scum read, independent of Mollie's read on him.

Mollie and I play with Nacho

a lot

. And to top that off, Mollie is a

very

strong meta player. Knowing her alignment, I can safely say that if she's calling Nacho scum, he's very likely scum. So if you think I'm town, you therefore must thing she's town. Ergo, you should probably trust her on Nacho.

I know Bacade is a town read for you. I just get paranoid when someone makes the whole NK comment.

Bacde is also a strong town read for me.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

hey nacho there is this game you are ignoring

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

how on earth do you have us as a town read for the reasons that you have just posited for your other reads. it looks like you are trying to do a poe estimation but it does not add up

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I'd like the people in the ignored section to explain why they didn't comment on the mass claim.

Because I was busy gathering reads based

on

it.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Because I also believe that Ryu is scum.

I have you both as fairly strong town. Stop trying to eat each other so that we can lynch Cephrir, CTD and Nacho.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

That's a damn shame.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

No. Mollie's preference is Nacho, my preference is Cephrir. All my other scum reads can take a back seat until those two are six feet under.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Of course, if you've been reading the thread, you should already be well aware of why I think CTD is scum. I've not kept it any secret.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Right. You on the Nacho wagon, then? Otherwise, get on it. He's been deliberately avoiding this thread; posting elsewhere and didn't even bother to check in here.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

the people that I asked to talk about the mass claim, I meant my gambit claim.

Thor wagon is probably just a half-assed attempt at a pressure wagon.

I'm not sold on OS either.

You should vote Cephrir. If both parties of the Flowchart are voting it, you know it's probably scum.

AA9's reaction to the Oversoul wagon makes her town.

Read between the lines.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

he was in theme park when I looked. but yeah he is online.

@ ctd

he has been caught out for lurking at tr. he has only been scum in one game with me on this site and he did do a little bit of lurking until I called him out on it. the relative tell that bc gave is better indication of alignment cos I have seen him get lurky as town too but that was a newbie game that I subbed into.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Bacde I don't even have any sass for you because you're playing perfectly fine.

he has only been scum in one game with me on this site and he did do a little bit of lurking until I called him out on it. the relative tell that bc gave is better indication of alignment cos I have seen him get lurky as town too but that was a newbie game that I subbed into.

Do you remember Inheritance? This is the scum ISO you called me out on. What you're seeing now is a completely different kind of lurking because I've put out more content than most of the people on my wagon. When I'm done here, I'll probably put out more content than any other person in the game. This is a Mastin game, after all.

lol, that was probably the most fun I ever had in a game. we did this crazy little dance where I knew you were scum, you knew that I knew you were scum I knew that you knew but wouldn't be able to get you lynched and then I just posted sheep pics and said baaahaaa a lot.

anyways the the experience and skill level in this game is a bit better than that one so I would expect you to bring it.

bring it

on

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

also you should be lynched for abandoning me in a game with nero. that's like torture

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Still no reason to attack me.

Still no reason for her to attack you? No, it isn't. But it's what she does.

Not what was said. Though I'm sorry that you rolled a derpwad for a team mate.

^^^ THIS IS WHAT YOU LEFT ME ALONE WITH YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

^^^ THIS IS WHAT YOU LEFT ME ALONE WITH YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF

sheeping nero let's see what this does

VOTE: nacho

Eddie and Slandaar and Oversoul seriously wtf?

I'm trying to move this game in a direction and you three are being deliberately anti-town by not even responding to my strong assertion I made just 4 posts ago

guys bc is right. this is scum nacho we are seeing

VOTE: nacho

somehow i'm not even a little bit ashamed

did you just burnsauce me?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

spice girl you are losing town points in my read on you. bc is town town town town, I have never had another player think exactly the same thing that I did at the time in the thread

this

many times except for 1 or 2 players. his push on nacho isn't based off of gambit it is based off of meta and I know what he is talking about.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Slandaar is beginning to get on my nerves.

slaandar has actually made me laugh in this game I really can't tell if I should be worried or not. majiffy isn't so I am going to try not to.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

also here is the argument for arc possibly being town; she tried to tone it down between nero and I and that is a very town thing to do. scum love town on town tard fights unless they like both parties and are distinctly uncomfortable with it. I really don't get the impression likes me all that much so

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

its likely thor is town considering that he would be willing to PL me and isn't finding me obvtown for some reason

I do that because I'm afflicted with a little thing called 'sanity'.

I also have a strong townread on the Disney Hydra slot so I don't know how you are coming up with them being likely to flip scum. I also don't know how you came to the conclusion that they are going to flip anytime soon.

Well, since I actually said neither of those things...awesome for you?

Why so defensive of them? Clearly you have some town tells off them too then, right?
Share those pl0x!

Because hyperaggressiveness is often percieved as townie, whereas I think town tend to say what they honestly believe, and I didn't think you honestly believed anything that had happened at that point was lynchworthy.

Why did I sound like I was lying to you?

No, they're based on reasons that don't exist?

Duh. I agree.
The point is - whys hould one nebulous reason that is stronger need to be able to justify itself more than a different nebulous reason.

If I have three null reads and decide to lynch one of them, and my answer is 'because' when I choose one...why is that so inherently scummy?
Yeah, maybe it's lazy. But what is the pro-scum motivation there?

I also don't know that I really have a scumhunting style (see: Smurfy town player, usually too busy getting lynched to scumhunt), but my *preference* is to scumhunt by presenting cases, and I like it when others make cases rather than try to persuade me with ambiguous meta cases and "look at his posts" reasoning.

1. No one was trying to convince you to sheep either opinion at that stage.
2. You are self-expressed as bad at scumhunting, but have attacked two players on how they are scumhunting.

Discuss?

why are you asking a question that you already know the answer to?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

nacho do you have any scumreads?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

He's explained why he's pursuing this line of questioning even though the questions occasionally seem to have obvious right answers. And I actually think it's pretty town of him.

GUAPO'S LAW

do not interfere with how I am trying to sort out thor tia

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

nacho do you have any scumreads?

DLG is a scumread.

is that your only one

is that who you are voting for cos I forget

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

UNVOTE: nacho

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

If there's anything specific you want me to comment on, ask.

I think I've posted an argument for why I think you're scum. You could try commenting on that. Or you could comment on the argument I had with HD (Om the Destroyer). Or you could comment on the argument Bulba had with that slot. Or you could comment on my interactions with Bulba. Or you could - I don't know - maybe play the game.

Also; CTD is town tattoo it onto your arm or something so there can be no 'i forgot' excuses.

Not seeing it.

Right. You on the Nacho wagon, then? Otherwise, get on it. He's been deliberately avoiding this thread; posting elsewhere and didn't even bother to check in here.

Majiffy.

Well it's true! Show me you're town and I'll move our vote back to Cephrir. In all honesty, I'd rather lynch him today anyway.

Give me some reads. With reasons.

Redacted.

what do you think of Thor who said he feels my questioning of Mollie was justified?

In his defense, Thor is being derp this game. He can't be held accountable for his poor actions.

if thor-me-majiffy-mollie was a scumteam

Can this happen sometime?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Oh and mollie unvoted so VOTE: Cephrir

Bandwagon ahoy.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I'm at work, and it's Mother's Day. Otherwise, I'd be celebrating your achievements with some gin & grapefruit juice!

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Bacde help me lynch Cephrir and I'll help you lynch Nacho tomorrow.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Yeah, sure, it's not like I haven't already given arguments for why he's scum.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

So we have Mollie call me a SK.
I ask why I read as SK.
Nacho attacks me for asking Mollie why.
Thor says that I'm justified in asking Mollie.
Thor defends Nacho.

Am I reading this right?

I did not call you an SK you dummy. I said you read as indie.

I will break this down for you in a way maybe you can understand;

not all indies are SKs

. <------ do you think you can grasp this very basic concept? I had you as town on my spreadsheet so even though I thought you were indie, I didn't think you were necessarily a threat to town.

there is also another reason I had indies on the brain. I have just completed a micro where the co- gm of

this

game modded and guess what I was - a town compatible indie who met their wc n1. in a game this size I would expect there to be an indie or 2 and since the roles are more creative on this site. and what nacho says is true, I special hunt, indie hunt, scum hunt as well as town hunt. it is just the way I play. if get lazy and don't do it, ask seanalderina what happens they wind up getting lynched that's what.

anyways moving along ------>

kudos to thor for pointing out that is bc's case is a meta case. but thor you have been consistently cranky what's up with that.

@ bc

I don't want to let nacho go but I am having the same feeling I had in the inheritance game; too many people have nacho as town for really dumb reasons and he won't get lynched. plus I am not a 100%

sure

and I am in general squeamish about lynching nacho in case I am wrong. but he is my top suspect right now. dlg is his top suspect and he isn't even voting him. when I called him on it he tried to brush it aside with, "you are just going to have to wait if you want a complete list of reads". it seems that he has forgotten that he had dlg as town before he went MIA. his vote is not consistent with what he said and that is a strong scumtell for nacho.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

So wait why'd you unvote nacho B&B if you were hung ho for his death earlier?

I wanted to talk to majiffy first before I full out pushed for a nacho lynch. I expanded why in my post to bc. I just didn't think I would be able to get him lynched.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Thor I'ma be really satisfied when you flip scum regardless of nacho's alignment

bc we are so on the same page it is not funny. thor tweaked my scumdar last night we he said he was hittin' da club but suddenly reappears when nacho gets on and looked....perky. it is a weak fos that I am unable to solidify cos he is ignoring me lol.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

B&tB We can't worry about lynching nacho because of "what if he's town"

if he's town he's even more worthless this game because he's pushing stupid cases

I'm no longer going to worry about lynching my scumreads just because I read a stronger player as scum, I can depend on myself

I don't like to lynch town cos I don't like to be wrong. it really is that simple.

but also the game will be boring without nacho. not to mention nacho will hang this over my head for the next 20 games.

also re: thor

last time I went toe to toe in wot war with thor I nearly gave myself an aneurism cos do you know what he did he said, "hey mollie why is your town game like your scum game?" when the only game I had played with him at that point was audio where I was scum.

he said this and got away with it

.

I wanted to murder everyone in that game until I got culted and then had to scummily back off from. then I was grateful town's stupidity cos that should have raised a red flag but everyone lynched the cop instead. that was pretty funny.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Mollie I enjoy playing with you, your posts are always filled with levity

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Yeah...but was a signing off of the site, or signing off of catching up...which was what I was doing in that post.

I took it as you signing off mebbe you should have used more words

Yeah, being with Majiffy makes you easy to lynch if I want to lynch you.

Did any of that have a purpose? Besides a really stretchy emotion as scumtell theory that didn't even bother to look at any of my other games to see if I'm not grumpy in them in order to prove your rather silly scumtheory? Because, y'know, if I was faking it then, theoretically, I wouldn't be doing it in other games, right?

wait why would I look at other ongoing games to try to discern whether or not you are actually cranky when I can just ask you itt. I can't discuss them and not knowing your alignment in those games, it would be pointless. you, theoretically, could be scum in all of your current games to say otherwise is the application of gambler's fallacy.

lol, that isn't how I meta people btw

you dodged the question hence why I think the crankiness might be fake

and now you are deflecting

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Actually, Mollie, wait a minute.

You *don't think I was cranky*

What emotion would you ascribe to me during the audio game.

Dead serious question here.

you didn't start off cranky. I would say you got more aggravated as the game progressed rather than just flat out cranky

you have been cranky this entire game. I am trying to determine if it is a legitimate relative tell for you

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I'm going to defend scum - your case on him is probably about as solid as your case on me, and thus isn't worth sheeping at this point.

@mollie, thor likes to say cheeky stuff as scum right?

lol, yes

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Scummy.
I've said as much.

where is your case thor huh huh huh

Maybe you shouldn't infer meanings to things?

mebbe you should have used more words in order to specify the distinction since you are apparently making one

You're saying I'm faking being cranky - are you now claiming I'm faking it across all of my current games because of this one?

hey this kewl guy gave me this advice and in this case it actually applies! he said

Maybe you shouldn't infer meanings to things?

cos as you and I know I never said that nor could you infer that meaning with what I actually said!

Because if I'm faking it...shouldn't you be able to find me being...y'know, *not* cranky?

didn't I just mention that about the audio game?

Or is your defense seriously "Thor is probably scum in all of his current games, faking being cranky in all of them, so that means we should lynch him in this one"
Because I have to tell you...not really in awe of that as a conclusion.

oh hai, this applies here too!

Maybe you shouldn't infer meanings to things?

cos, I never said that.

and now you are deflecting

no, I am currently "thor may be scum in this game" which is the one that I am addressing. you are the one who is manipulating around the discussion into positing current games and padding your defense

That's cool, maybe I am.

okay

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I'm going to defend scum - your case on him is probably about as solid as your case on me, and thus isn't worth sheeping at this point.

@mollie, thor likes to say cheeky stuff as scum right?

lol, yes

Mollie, does Thor say cheeky stuff as town?

of course you do, but the motivation is different. right now I am trying to determine the motivation

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

okay, I have talked to majiffy and here is where I am at with nacho.

my biggest thing is that when I was going after nacho he did not say "you won't get me lynched cos I am town" they were "you won't be able to get me lynched". nacho knows I cannot make cases worth shit but he also knows my reads are usually good even though on this site I still struggle with anti-town behaviour. his case on os was bad cos fakeclaiming doesn't usually phase nacho but he decided to make a thing about it and was

sticky with his vote

and his weak ass case when there was a bit juiciness of activity going on in the thread.

his argument with nero is null cos nacho will defend me if I am town regardless of alignment especially if the argument is based on what is not actually a scumtell for me.

here is the thing about nacho, he likes to get inside people's skin and see how they feel <---- that is what makes him a good scumhunter. what makes him a great scumhunter is that he is able to do this while tuning out town noise and stay focused. this is something I totally admire.

^^^ I don't feel like he has done that this game. on the surface his posts look good, there are some thorough analysis in them but they lack something that I can't put my finger on. the biggest thing that stands out to me is how the reads are full of

hedge

, and what is practically a billboard is his hedge on spice girl; he should be all over that shit cos those are the kind of things he tries to push for in a lynch. spice girl is doing the same thing that a player in another game did and he was all over her (KISS) and he was correct for being so. so it makes me think there is a spice girl/nacho association in there somehow, not sure what to make of it. especially since she beetlejuiced him into the thread. it almost read like a "hey buddy if you keep avoiding the thread you are going to get lynched so get in here!" call out.

so what I am looking at are a bunch of objective scumtells

1. pushing a weak case and dropping it when called on it
2. sticky vote
3. mr. hedgey mchedgeville hedging

and the heap of relative tells that are counter to his meta

I have already explained why I am squeamish about lynching him, this is a larger game and it might be throwing me off a bit but here is the thing; town nacho has yet to reach out to me and this is something that town nacho usually does even if it is to just say "hey mollie I am town now stfu and stop being difficult" <---- he has not done this. my biggest concern is that majiffy and I will be out of the game early and so will bc and there will be no one around who is immune to his honey coated scumtitude. I just really want to be right about this though.

anyways majiffy is okay if I push on a nacho lynch cos I think on some level he isn't town reading him either. but its nacho, we have all played

a lot

of games together.

question to anyone who has played a lot with slaandar:

has he ever been followy as town? I have never known him to be, he is usually in the forefront and tries to lead.

majiffy and I disagree on slaandar, thor and cephir. he has slaandar and thor as town, I am iffy on slaandar he says some towny things but he is being very unslaandar-like, leaning scummy on thor and cephir as possible town. we will give a more comprehensive list of our reads as the game progresses after we fight it out, lol

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

DLG, Bacde, Mac/replacement. Lynch from this group.

I'm going to reread Cephir, because his name has been thrown around by quite a few people and he's been under my radar despite high activity. Eddie Fenix is another player I I want to get a better grasp of.

wrt the bold: I think that list sucks

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Those are my reads, not Mollie's.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

VOTE: Nacho because Mollie forgot.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@ ctd

bc is pushing a nacho sound meta case. what scum does this? do you know why scum don't do this? cos in order to push it effectively, they have to misrep the person's meta in some way (and bc is certainly not doing this, btw) and what that does is cause ill feelings that can bleed over into future games.

so your on him is bad and it makes you look really bad for giving such a bad cos with your experience you should be able to differentiate between scum motivated cases and town motivated cases and you are not demonstrating that here.

eta: I don't care if you hate playing with hydras if you cannot tell us apart then you are a dummy. but you know what? I don't think you are cos I am entertaining this theory that scum will whine about hydra confusion in order to make them look like they are doing something and justify their crappy reads.

also, we will give our reads when we are ready and not at your demand

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

There's a big difference between the ways RR and Bacde have been pushing Nacho.

cos they are taking 2 different approaches. majiffy has a town read on red (easy lynch material) and I agree with him. but red needs to get back into the game

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

also another reason that scum will often misread hydras is cos they are not really reading their posts in order to determine their alignment since they already know it. so yeah, you are looking terribad right now

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Is it also scum whining if I once again complain about your slot being less than cordial? I didn't demand reads, I asked nicely.

huh. well it sort of seemed like you wanted them right this second.

were you offended that I said I thought you would have to be a dummy to not tell us apart? cos you should read the thread where I gave a clear statement that majiffy consistently capitalises and punctuates where I do not.

I have made my distaste for hydras clear in the sign up thread and I'm not insinuating anything wrt my read on you or anyone else. I can keep the two of you apart pretty well based on tone, but it's kind of hard to apply this to a naked list of reads.

well majiffy stated that those were his reads so there

Bacde stopped pushing a sound meta case the moment he started arguing that Nacho would be a good lynch even if town. What

town

does this? If you had actually read my thoughts on him and not just glanced at the short list of my preferred lynches, you'd know that the original case wasn't a deal breaker for me in spite of me not agreeing with it. And it's kind of ironic that you're suggesting that scum would avoid doing something that's completely in the spirit of the game for fear of ill feelings bleeding over into future games when you seem to go out of your way to make me not want to play with either of you ever again.

let's take a breather. "dummy" is not a pejorative term in the context that I am using it, it is more of a "hey wake up! here is something you are missing here!" and it is light sledging IMO (YMMV) to get a better read off of you. your reaction is a bit telling but majiffy and I disagree will probably fight over it. we will see.

as to your "what town does this?", why are you going after bc for it when nero has been saying in every other post (and is anyone else as sick as I am of his hard on for me? jesus christ) that he would sit on the sofa and eat bon bons if we could be lynched. why are you leaving him alone?

you will have to ask bc as to why he said it, I know that if it were me, it would be out of frustration cos I know the player is capable of doing better but isn't. it is an added form of pressure called "sledging" and I am sure you are familiar with the concept if not the term.

shit!

sorry mastin

<<< It's okay. We all slip from time to time. Just try to keep it at a minimum. >>>

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Okay, let's even go with the theory that I meant logging off...what does that tell you about my alignment?
Y'know, since you're now implying I am lying about what I meant.

cos scum like to steer the game

Tell me more - because your initial answer was just tossing out a scumtell on me without giving the more honest answer of 'he's cheeky as any alignment' even if you do think there are different types of Thor cheekiness.

no. I answered the question.

you asked a different question and got a different question answer cos...you asked a different question.

Because that's scummy as hell.

no its not. would you like me to post the post where you said I could not possibly be the cult leader in the cult micro game? cos that is what I was thinking at the time when bc asked that.

also you are couching things in rhetoric and that is why

I think you've proven she's a suboptimal scumhunter - but unless you want to tell me without a doubt that there's only one scum team in the game then I see it as a questionable tell that should be revisited more later.
That said, Mollie is scummy for other reasons now - vote her.

lol

and I really had to lol at schrödinger's scum

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Okay I've read up to page 16 and will continue tomorrow. Happy with my vote, and now I have an actual reason for it. Also have some other suspects.

Does this mean I can start belittling you for your obvious ineptitude at this game?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

More arguing. More scum reads based more on meta than anything. More tells on D1...

cos scum like to steer the game

@BATB

Leaders like to lead town. Counter point: Scum like to myslynch leaders. Are you making a point to not be lead by anyone? or just thor.

this is the weirdest question anyone has ever asked me in a game and I am not sure I fully understand it.

^^Scum also like to lead town

What is your point Hanzo_5?

@Bacde

My point: They pointed out a useless tell.

I think the best I can do D1 is pick out what are clearly bs reasons a fluffy posts. And give my stance on them when I get around to it.

How are we gonna get anyone lynched with bs like that being the reasoning? How can I trust a town that would pkay into that BS? rhetorical...

why do you think that is a useless tell?

wrt bold: wat

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Well, do you think Mollie is scummy for sk hunting?

If yes, why is Nacho not scummy for defending Mollie?

If no, why did you think my line of questioning was constructive?

I think you've proven she's a suboptimal scumhunter - but unless you want to tell me without a doubt that there's only one scum team in the game then I see it as a questionable tell that should be revisited more later.
That said, Mollie is scummy for other reasons now - vote her.

Because she is Schrodinger's scum, and also town defend scum.

It would be constructive regardless of my personal belief on the tell because you took a hard stance and pressed on it.

Again, why did you call me out on this?

meh, I thought what Mollie did was stupid and scummy.
I thought it was scummy of Nacho to attack me for questioning Mollie.
I would think that Nacho defending scum/bad town Mollie would make you wary of his slot.
I'm extremely paranoid and I think it's a possibility that you and Nacho could be scum taking opposite stances on the same argument.

yanno I am used to nero's creepy obsession with me but this raging hard on is starting to go overboard. I think he has said my name like in every other post and yet is ignoring the majiffy half almost entirely.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@B&TB

I think its a useless tell because its null. Town or Mafia can try and lead the town. Its what leaders do. Its a leader tell. And since leadership does not define allaignment its null.

erm...it is also a relative tells for certain players

My question asked simply asks this. Do you not want a leader?

erm...I am currently working with bc and reluctantly with nero...I guess I just like to work with my town reads although nero has dropped a bit into my unsure pile but I am not sure it is all about leading and following. I guess if I had to place an hierarchic value on it I would say I am maybe following bc's lead I guess

this is a very weird line of questioning and this is like super fluffier than anything I have done in this game I mean how are going to ascertain my alignment with this line of questioning. like out of all of what I said you cherry picked a minor point and are trying to say I am scummy cos you think that that

one

point is useless and this somehow sums up the content of my entire play?

Then it asks if you do want a leader, why do you not want thor to lead you?

The second questioned is ignored if you prefer that no one leads.

I don't care who "leads" as long as I have a town read on them. I have a town read on bc that is why I am working with them. I am pushing on thor so I can get a read on him cos the majiffy head has him as town.

FOS

the shit out of this

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

One, I think? Hence "I get the feeling".

this is the first time you have really looked scummy to me

the "i get the feeling" doesn't quite justify the reasoning especially that you did not justify what you meant by a "thor" tell. is it scummy or town

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Are you seriously suggesting this is a bus of Nacho before Nacho has even flipped? Not to mention that anyone would ever bus this hard? =/
The Nacho wagon does have a lot of townreads on it, and the RR wagon really has the opposite. That's the most important point in its favor for me, but I'm still not convinced. What I am convinced of is that most of the voters on that wagon believe what they're saying, and maybe that should be enough reason for me to get on it as an admittedly bad scumhunter, but it still isn't. That's just not how I vote.

I was going to vote fuzzy eventually, but if there's going to be another vote on him then the second makes enough to actually be pressure. I probably should have voted earlier, I suppose.

I like all the replacements thus far but their day-to-day play will potentially be more telling. I always think catch-up posts are town unless they have everything ass-backwards

(see: Syry).

@Mollie: I was saying it seems like a playstyle issue.

wrt the bold: which ones of hanz posts do you like cos I think they are god awful. like hanz posts are ass backwards how are you missing this

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

for instance cephir this post:

@B&TB

Fair enough. In my experience the mafia would rather have the town pointing fingers than having a unified trust in individuals.

Thus my line of questioning sees what you think in comparison to me.

FOS the shit out of this

Put ur damn finger away.

If your to busy to question someone your suspicious of then dont say your suspicious.

Its more fluff. How about u try to get a read on me instead of tunneling thor. FoS for asking questions about ur weak points. Stop making weak points.

Anyways for now ur just as null as everyone else. D1 is lame lets lynch someone.

<<< Fixed quote tag. >>>

I mean I asked him a question in my post and he didn't answer it and is once again calling my posts "fluffy" I mean omg

this was my question:

like out of all of what I said you cherry picked a minor point and are trying to say I am scummy cos you think that that

one

point is useless and this somehow sums up the content of my entire play?

^^^ I mean this is a pretty pertinent question since I am directly asking about his reasoning about his case on me. and he managed to avoid it entirely and tried to imply that I was not engaging him, lol

I actually feel that he is the best lynch for the day I mean jesus

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I'm wondering if Hanzo is just hard to understand which might be the case

either way I'm happier w/ a nacho lynch

bc, if you get a chance reread my responses to hanz and how he totally dodged them

I don't get why you think "he is just too hard to understand" and that is the problem and not that his case on us sucks with like a whole truckload of scumtells

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

From just what I've read so far, you've been aggressively attacking anyone who disagrees and/or suspects you. Which is a survival strategy, not a scum-hunting one.

It's also an effective two-pronged strategy for scum to take. You become unlikely to be lynched Day 1 because townies don't have enough confidence in their reads to match your aggression and later in the game you've posted so much that it's too much work to build a case on you.

Congratulations, you figured out how Majiffy plays regardless of alignment!

My attacks garner reactions. Which give me accurate reads. So it is

entirely

scum-hunting.

Your argument that it is "an effective two-pronged strategy for scum to take" is moot because it holds the same strength of a strategy as town.

So from my POV this Nacho wagon consists of only townreads and it's on someone who isn't exactly a scumread from my.
Something is afoot here :/

Yeah, probably your "Nacho ... isn't exactly a scumread". Herp derp Occam's Razor.

mollie and Majiffy, I keep mixing up your posts, and it gets on my nerves.

How

.

I agree with Mollie on Hanzo as well.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

bc why are you ignoring what we are saying about hanz

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

interesting

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bulbazak

Om no we aren't lynching Bacde his slot is obvious town

~

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but so is Bulba.

PEDIT: No fuck you Bulb is town omg I'll tell you why Bacde is scum in the QT.
VOTE: bacde

~Pertayter

@Mollie

- Hydra theatre?

Unvote: Red Ryu
Vote: BeautyAndTheBeast

Thor, I'm town. Vote Cephrir or Nacho.

Jiffy, it's time to redeem yourself

VOTE: Cephrir

~Mara

I am so hard right now.

VOTE: Cephrir