MICRO 172: DRAGON BALL Z [TOWN WIN]

[Bacde]

/confirm

[Bacde]

VOTE: pope

[Bacde]

lynch pope

[Bacde]

maybe

but you also got scum in this game so get ready for a big ol vote as soon as the gates are opened

[Bacde]

Right.
Mafia = evil = red = tomatoes = bacde
Did we win already?

you're gonna have a hard time getting a counterwagon on me going

[Bacde]

ITT pope admitted to me that he is scum

[Bacde]

VOTE: pope

hey guys lets lynch pope he literally doesn't know how to react to my pressure and is doing a really bad townie impression to save himself

[Bacde]

Bacde, is that a serious vote? Or RVS.

serious.

if you don't know where to place your vote, place it on pope because that guy is still acting like I'm "suspicious" (hint: I'm not)

[Bacde]

VOTE: pope

hey guys lets lynch pope he literally doesn't know how to react to my pressure and is doing a really bad townie impression to save himself

Is this serious, because it seems like you're reaching to me.

yes, this is serious

you should vote pope with me

trust me, his reaction to my vote wasn't a "I'm town and reacting" reaction,

it was a "I'm scum and bewildered but here's my best shot at what a townie would do" reaction

[Bacde]

@bacde So you and pope have played a few games together, then?

never

[Bacde]

well I'm glad p4 is over

[Bacde]

pope's confidence about the slip seems townie...

but I don't think it was a slip...

plus I think pope is scummy for other reasons...

plus if I was scum I would LOVE to act like I think someone else slipped and just not move my vote...

in conclusion I'm not moving my vote

[Bacde]

This puts him at 3 votes, which is L-2. No one else jump on. I will take that as a scum claim.

this is really silly, btw

[Bacde]

I like DBZ...
The manga, anyway.
Oh cool, a hydra!

OMGUS VOTE: Bacde

I just realised we haven't started
Everyone, religious or not, is out for the Pope.

Right.
Mafia = evil = red = tomatoes = bacde
Did we win already?

Yeah, Bacde, whatever. (obvscum)

I'm assuming day started because of the title change?

Hmmm... Bacde is pretty fishy, but whatevs.
VOTE: sword_of_omens
For criticizing our awesomeness

I really don't like this string of posts

37, 40, 42, and 49 feel like acting to me

[Bacde]

his more recent posts look better though

[Bacde]

Guys this is a chk game. So don't assume scum numbers.

Though ghost looks pretty opportunistic.

About the number of scum. 9p game. I think I would also say 2 scums. But meh... IDK if ghost's statement was scumslip or speculating town.

What's the votecount?

the only other chk game I've played in had 9p 3 scum

[Bacde]

his more recent posts look better though

agree.

I'm tentatively calling you town.

dude I'm either town or not

trust me when I say I wear my alignment on my sleeve and its easy to tell

[Bacde]

VOTE: sword

[Bacde]

RVS, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF IT
AT THIS STAGE SUSPICIONS DON'T MATTER BECAUSE IT'S ALL INSTINCT
I'm not one to shout, sorry.

this post is fake can we lynch this guy plzkthx

[Bacde]

oh snaps i forgot I was voting for sword

this vote will stay until sword's next post

[Bacde]

so are we going back to lynching TIP?

because thats something I'd support

[Bacde]

ok let me know when we are lynching TIP

otherwise I'll keep chilling

[Bacde]

intention to

Vote: TIP (not bold on purpose)

TIP whats your response?

[Bacde]

VOTE: TIP

doubt it

[Bacde]

This is a bad wagon. I'll get to it tomorrow why Dr P is a better option.

I wanna hear more of this

[Bacde]

honestly, Dr P

could

be scum

but my vote is much more useful here:

VOTE: Ghostlin

I disagree with Ff's 252 because it opens up a huge pot of WIFOM and 'too dumb for scum.' This isn't a scum read, she reads pretty much town, but the arguments are off.

TNE's overcaution...I don't know if she's nervous or scum. There's no reason to flip-flop on wagons if chk included a vengeful townie and only scum would be afraid of it.

What's this about a vengeful townie?

[Bacde]

Yup, quickly rechecked, no one mentioned vengeful townies before Ghostlin

this is super suspect to me because "vengeful townie" is NOT what I thought first when I saw TIP crumbing PR

[Bacde]

I'm cool with lynching the Irish pope but no one seems to think that Ghostlin assuming there is a vengeful is scummy when in fact its a big deal and very scummy:

Bacde, then how would you explain this?

It's alright to vote for me. If I get to L-1 then some shit may happen...
Remember this is a closed setup...

It's alright to vote for me. If I get to L-1 then some shit may happen...Remember this is a closed setup...

Not many powerroles WORK at L-1 that I'm aware. I misunderstood L-1 for hammered, but still, he's softclaiming something happens when he's at L-1

specifically

.

That's where my assumption came in.

I had assumed he meant he would claim his role, and to be honest, I had assumed he was crumbing a protective role. Why did you think he would be a vengeful townie? Thats a very specific and not very common power role and I'm having a hard time believing that you would have just randomly assumed him to be a vengeful townie.

[Bacde]

"If I get to L-1 then some shit may happen..." Says no one about their pending claim EVER. Bacde, there's no way anyone who just had a claim would say this. Granted, I jumped to a possibly faulty conclusion (thinking if he'd talk about his hammer, as I mentioned before) but even a town PR claim in this game would be fair from the drama in the quote. So I assumed something dramatic was being threatened to being happen. So far...it's not even worth the price of admission.

Secondly, you still vote for someone on what they did, not what roles they had. I've not jumped off of TIP's wagon due to the possible 'shit that may happen', even though if the shit's bad and nasty, I'll probably get caught in the fallout. That's how much I think TIP's bluffing scum.

honestly TIP might be bluffing scum

but there's no good explanation for you thinking that he's a vengeful

L-1 is WAY different than a hammer, I would never see someone be like "At L-1 shit is going down" and think to myself "vengeful?"

[Bacde]

hey guys everyone is ignoring how ghostlin assumed that TIP was claiming vengeful

[Bacde]

Hey nacho awesome to see ya lets lynch Ghostlin first

if tne is maf it seriously won't be an issue

[Bacde]

Hey nacho awesome to see ya lets lynch Ghostlin first

if tne is maf it seriously won't be an issue

Ghostlin-maf isn't an issue either. I'd rather get the easy read first and see how I feel about Ghostlin tomorrow.

lol for me ghostlin is the easy read and tne is the one I'm less sure about

tne is pretty much always unhelpful but w/ a good attitude so I'm not sure that its coming from scum

[Bacde]

Finally we can move on from this!
UNVOTE: Vegito
So what now?

uh, what is the purpose of this post?

I don't understand where it came from or what you are going to do next

[Bacde]

hey you guys are still ignoring ghostlin

thats the best place to look right now

Pope can wait

[Bacde]

Ok lets see if nacho agrees

[Bacde]

hey you guys are still ignoring ghostlin

thats the best place to look right now

Pope can wait

Is your case for voting ghostlin purely the vengeful thing?

yes

I don't think you appreciate how ridiculously scummy the vengeful thing is

[Bacde]

No

we eliminate Ghostlin now because I'm 100%

[Bacde]

according to the last vote count, there were already 2 votes. I didn't want some idiot hammering while I looked for unvotes.

let me know before you put anyone else at L-1

I'm serious

you need to vote for Ghostlin

[Bacde]

Vegito, when you flip scum (because you will be lynched), I expect an apology from you.
PEdit: That was L-1? Really? I thought only two of us were voting.

why would scum apologize for playing to their win condition?

[Bacde]

Bacde, I understand your confidence, and I'm pretty sure Ghostlin is scum, but why didn't you vote him when I was voting him?

I didn't notice when you were voting him

did you vote him before he made the vengeful comment and back when I thought you were scum?

that might explain it

TIP I need you to claim "vengeful" or "not vengeful" right now

[Bacde]

@TNE why did you unvote TheIrishPope when he said that "stuff would go down" when he reached L-1?

what did you think he was softing?

[Bacde]

I could buy Vegito being scum

The nacho side looks good but Majiffy keep screwing it up

[Bacde]

Vegito if you are actually town then move your vote to ghostlin NOW

[Bacde]

You should listen to nacho

[Bacde]

Why is ghostlin a townread for you?

[Bacde]

Maybe you should consider that I don't have all the posts in this game memorized

[Bacde]

Why would a scum who is trying to get town-TIP lynched not make posts 215/216?

[Bacde]

One would think that if you are this confident about Ghostlin being town then you would have no problem repeating why. Particularly since if you need to repeat yourself so much then maybe it wasn't a good argument in the first place?

I'm certain you've never made a post with a tone like that as scum? I just feel like if I was scum and TIP was town, I'd probably vote TIP for the "right to remain silent" post and use the same reasoning and tone that Ghostlin did.

[Bacde]

Its interesting to me that you are more motivated to try to tear my post apart rather than try to understand it.

[Bacde]

Are you seriously asking me what my motivation is for trying to understand why you have a townread on my top scumread?

[Bacde]

I don't understand why you are so insecure about me raising objections to your townread that now you have to somehow turn this into a me-being-scum-motivated scenario

I figured if you actually townread ghostlin that you'd have good reasoning beyond my objections

Me saying that Ghostlin is doing things I would have done if I were scum is not worthless, actually

[Bacde]

How am I supposed to discern your alignment if any of my points get twisted immediately upon me bringing them up?

I have a damn good reason to think that Ghostlin is maf and you've ignored it

Why do you think Ghostlin thought that TIP was claiming vengeful? Its not a common role

[Bacde]

Do you have any reasons other than the tone of those two posts?

Because as it looks to me you are just assuming that whoever is attacking your scumread is town

[Bacde]

@TNE why did you unvote TheIrishPope when he said that "stuff would go down" when he reached L-1?

what did you think he was softing?

I'll tell you why after TNE answers this question

[Bacde]

You guys think I'm a PR?

Are you confirming that you're not?

And if you are confirming that you're not a PR, what was that "shit is going to go down" bit about?

I would like this question answered

[Bacde]

Please wait for everyone to check in before we run someone up to L-1

I have an important announcement to make

Maybe we should wait for everybody to see whats happened first

#552 will be the post that saved the town

[Bacde]

VOTE: TNE

I want an extension

[Bacde]

UNVOTE:

thought we were at a pressure deadline for some reason

thank goodness

[Bacde]

lol its awesome that you are the one reminding me of it

yes I do but I put that away because I thought we were 50 minutes from deadline or something

anyway I'm going back into "wait for everyone to check in" mode until I post my announcement

[Bacde]

oh nvm about the announcement btw

[Bacde]

oh nvm about the announcement btw

Let's talk about who to lynch then.

I'm still game for ghostlin

[Bacde]

because of thinking TIP was soft-claiming vengeful?

I mean thats what pinged my scumdar at first

but nothing he's been posting has been any good imo

if he was posting town I wouldn't still be on him for the vengeful antics

[Bacde]

hey I can possibly confirm TIP if he targets me tonight

[Bacde]

Unvote; Vote Ghostlin

Clarify this vote. What do you see scummy about me over Vegito or anyone else, and why would you try to build a wagon on me now?

Even better. Your reads, now.

omg can we plz lynch this

[Bacde]

Words cannot express the verbal abuse I will deliver you if you flip town in this game.

this is why I think your scumread on TIP is bad

you aren't seeing scummy things, you are just seeing things that a decent town player wouldn't do

i'm not sure TIP constitutes a decent town player

[Bacde]

im down to lynch sword tbh but ghostlin is scum

[Bacde]

im down to lynch sword tbh but ghostlin is scum

Why do you want to lynch Sword?
Hamlet?

I don't want to lynch hamlet but sword just hasn't been pinging my towndar

[Bacde]

based on that claim I'm actually down to lynch TIP

although I still think ghostlin is scum

[Bacde]

Unvote; Vote Ghostlin

Clarify this vote. What do you see scummy about me over Vegito or anyone else, and why would you try to build a wagon on me now?

Even better. Your reads, now.

omg can we plz lynch this

Bacde, stop acting weird as fuck and pay attention to relevant things.

1. TheIrishPope
2. sword_of_omens
3. fferyllt
4. PimHel
5. mrbungle thenewearth
6. Ghostlin
7. Vegito DoctorPepper
8. Bacde
9. Hamlet

Pope, ffery, PimHel, bungle, Ghostlin all probably non negotiably town.
Swords, Hamlet, Bacde are where I'm looking at the moment.

VOTE: Bacde

care to explain your reasoning?

all you did was quote vegito's

[Bacde]

btw if I fullclaim my full role is useless so I'll just hint at the fact that I'm a protown power role and that I have a protown partner who is aware of my alignment

[Bacde]

based on that claim I'm actually down to lynch TIP

although I still think ghostlin is scum

based on which claim? and why?

because swords claimed a role that makes sense to me

and if buu became good in the series then it makes sense to me that TIP is scum

its like puzzle pieces coming together

[Bacde]

why? you havent exactly been the paragon of protown

[Bacde]

just checked my role PM, my character is dodoria

[Bacde]

who did vegito claim again?

[Bacde]

I'm sheeping Nacho.

For myself, your announcement that suddenly wasn't important any more, your low quantity of posting in general but especially in the run-up to nightfall when we're going nuts trying to work out who's scum has erased a ton of townread you built up earlier in the game. In the last game we played you chivvied me repeatedly to change my vote to your scum read on day 1. You were trying to herd the town cats.

lol the announcement that became unimportant was because I didn't fully understand my role

[Bacde]

I still don't understand why vegito has a townread on ghostlin though

I'm down to lynch TIP but I'd rather get ghostlin

[Bacde]

I'm sheeping Nacho.

For myself, your announcement that suddenly wasn't important any more, your low quantity of posting in general but especially in the run-up to nightfall when we're going nuts trying to work out who's scum has erased a ton of townread you built up earlier in the game. In the last game we played you chivvied me repeatedly to change my vote to your scum read on day 1. You were trying to herd the town cats.

lol the announcement that became unimportant was because I didn't fully understand my role

that addresses a relatively small part of what's made me uneasy about you.

ah

I think I've been lazy this game since I have a protown partner and I'm like "pshh I can't get lynched w/ that!"

[Bacde]

This seems like a massclaim gone horrible which started with my claim and Vegito's fake claim.
Let's lynch Vegito so we don't no-lynch on D1, people.

why? you havent exactly been the paragon of protown

And you have? Tell me, what has been your contribution to this game?

what did Vegito claim again?

Also, I've actually contributed a lot, I scumhunted way more than you up until I became happy with my ghostlin-scum read

[Bacde]

Fine, who's your partner?

wouldn't you like to know

[Bacde]

explain your ghostlin scum read again.

ghostlin assumed for NO REASON that there was a vengeful in the game

that pinged me off, but after that I realized that NOTHING ghostlin has been posting has made me think "oh geez thats town"

and the ONLY thing that people have been townreading him for was the tone of a post

whenever I make a read and its wrong, the biggest reason why would be because my read is based on tone

[Bacde]

why do you keep saying you have a "protown partner?" the hell does that even mean? if someone is town I don't see how they couldn't be, by definition 'protown'. are they/you town or not?

it means mason

I just figured I'd hint at it slyly because I felt like it

[Bacde]

no need

if you lynch me there's a crumb to my partner

and if you lynch me, it will become painfully obvious why I scumread ghostlin

and if my partner wants to out, my partner can out on their own terms

[Bacde]

basically, its more likely that my partner will get nightkilled than I will, so if the maf want to nightkill a mason I'd rather they NK me and not know who my partner is

[Bacde]

explain your ghostlin scum read again.

ghostlin assumed for NO REASON that there was a vengeful in the game

that pinged me off, but after that I realized that NOTHING ghostlin has been posting has made me think "oh geez thats town"

and the ONLY thing that people have been townreading him for was the tone of a post

whenever I make a read and its wrong, the biggest reason why would be because my read is based on tone

do you have examples of scummy looking posts?

I'll ISO again.

Is it Majiffy that has Ghostlin as town or Nacho? I think it's Nacho.

no, its majiffy

in fact, nacho agreed w/ me about ghostlin looking scummy over the whole assuming there was a vengeful thing

[Bacde]

They won't NK you.

do you mean

YOU

won't NK me?

lol

stop being such a pompous ass

[Bacde]

Unvote; Vote Ghostlin

Clarify this vote. What do you see scummy about me over Vegito or anyone else, and why would you try to build a wagon on me now?

Even better. Your reads, now.

here's a scummy looking post

I even quoted it but no one payed attention

[Bacde]

If there's a crumb, then mafia will find it and NK your partner.
Sorry for being short, but I'm hungover and don't feel like fucking around with your fakeclaim atm.

if maf find my crumb and NK my partner, then I'll be confirmed town

do you realize how stupid you are being?

[Bacde]

if maf find my crumb and NK my partner, then I'll be confirmed town

but if you don't claim your partner, you will be lynched.

this actually isn't true

[Bacde]

its funny to me that you moved on from TIP to sword, but now are continuing on to me instead of reconsidering TIP

are you just trying to out town roles?

cuz you're doing a good job of it

[Bacde]

dude get over it, if my partner wants to claim I'll let that person claim

being confirmed town will be more powerful tomorrow than today anyway, ESPECIALLY considering that it will be 2 confirmed town

[Bacde]

oh is this nacho I'm talking to?

why are you being such a meanie dude

I hate how you pretended that one time you loved me or something

[Bacde]

nacho it shouldn't be too hard for you to figure out who is hypothetical partner would be... i did it in like 5 minutes

SERIOUSLY

about time someone proved their townness

[Bacde]

I did it immediately as well. So Bacde should claim the partner he's crumbing to so they can either say "ok" or "no, you are lying scum. die."

hmm

nope

[Bacde]

I'll give you all a hint though:

its not ghostlin

[Bacde]

I ignored you because your partner's read on ghostlin was shitty

[Bacde]

Here's a hint: if you aren't going to realize you made a horrible mistake AFTER I've claimed mason, then you never will

also, there's literally no danger of leaving me alive as my partner at this point is obvious, and if I'm scum then the next two lynches will be easy breezy beautiful covergirl

[Bacde]

not to mention masons in a 9p game are horribly, horribly overpowered. only time i've seen them in a micro is when they are the sole power roles because it doesn't make sense for them to have a tracker, nexus, voyeur complimenting them.

obv everyone in this game is a PR

please

you haven't figured out that scum are probably all PRs too yet?

[Bacde]

@Vegito who is your claim again? The flavor

[Bacde]

not to mention masons in a 9p game are horribly, horribly overpowered. only time i've seen them in a micro is when they are the sole power roles because it doesn't make sense for them to have a tracker, nexus, voyeur complimenting them.

if they are really this overpowered then think about the risk/reward scenario for leaving the mason unlynched

7p alive 2 of which are masons? INSANE

that's what I'm looking at right here

its pretty obvious that lynching me is not the right move

plus my partner is painfully obvious at this point so if I flip scum, you can flip my partner next

now that I think about it, there's like no risk and all reward

it makes a lot of sense to keep pushing this as scum

@Vegito, who is your flavor again?

[Bacde]

I did it immediately as well. So Bacde should claim the partner he's crumbing to so they can either say "ok" or "no, you are lying scum. die."

do you really think a scum would fake claim mason knowing that he's gonna have to either fakeclaim a townie partner who will immediately out him, or fake claim with a scum partner which is completely suicidal?

do you think a random townie would look as much like my partner as this person that you've found? (assuming that I am scum)

because I doubt you've found my crumb, its more likely that you are just looking at my partners' behavior in this game

yes, we are partners

[Bacde]

obv everyone in this game is a PR

In this case, why are you worried about your partner being NK'ed?

do you really think a scum would fake claim mason knowing that he's gonna have to either fakeclaim a townie partner who will immediately out him, or fake claim with a scum partner which is completely suicidal?

It can buy him a day where we either mislynch, or we run up his scum partner and he claims with them and goes for the balls-out scumgambit.

because my partner is confirmed town

whereas, you are not

[Bacde]

there we go

never fuck with town-bacde

you'll always end up unvoting and feeling like an idiot, or getting vigged

[Bacde]

being civil in a heated argument is more of a scumtell imo

[Bacde]

Vote: Ghostlin

why aren't you going back to TIP?

[Bacde]

Nacho or Majiffy whoever it is please explain why you think Ghostlin is town. I've read his ISO and the thing that jumps out at me is that he was awfully civil in that horrible exchange with TIP.

hamlet's his partner.

you obviously didnt find the crumb

he's talking about scum partner

[Bacde]

ffery, bungle, bacde, bacde's secret partner all confirmed town.
i track hamlet tonight if ghostlin flips scum, random player if ghostlin flips town.
if hamlet goes nowhere and there is a kill that ISN'T us, we no lynch and I track someone else
if i die, hamlet dies
if i get a positive result, 1v1 between us and hamlet

explain to me what makes ffery and bungle confirmed town?

[Bacde]

your answer has nothing to do with the word "confirmed"

[Bacde]

Vegito is giving me "scum who knows more than us townies do" vibes

is it just me?

[Bacde]

I'll save my paranoia for right now thank you kindly

[Bacde]

i'm just that confident, babe

well I'm not confident at all about either honeybuns

[Bacde]

except maybe ffery

and also maybe bungles

BUT ONLY BECAUSE OF RECENTLY

still not 100% on bungles

[Bacde]

wtf is a motivator

[Bacde]

idk i'm fucking lost right now

bacde if you're worried about nacho's town read on me... both of us just finished a newbie game where i was town and spent all of d2/d3 tunneling him and he was mafia. i don't doubt his ability to read me

i don't really know why i'm doing this other than that i have really, really strong townreads on lots of other people and ghost

VOTE: ghostlin

why is you having a good read on nacho at all relevant to nacho being able to read you?

[Bacde]

@bacde

what i was saying that if nacho is town, he would have absolutely no trouble at all reading me as town based on our interactions from the game we just finished. so that isn't something you should be suspicuous of him for

lets sneak in a lynch before he figures out whats going on

VOTE: Ghostlin

[Bacde]

lol didnt mean to quote that

[Bacde]

oh really?

awesome

[Bacde]

lol @ mafia thinking that it was better to kill Pim than me

and also lol @ mafia not killing the vengeful townie at night

[Bacde]

@fferyllt you need to start sheeping players who know what they are talking about, and not just players who try to project themselves as if they know what they are talking about

[Bacde]

Wait why didn't my partner flip mason?

I guess thats just not a part of the setup?

@Mod why didn't Pim flip mason? I was under the impression that was a part of his role

[Bacde]

ugh if this is part of the setup or something stupid like that I'ma be pissed because I don't think Pim crumbed me I just crumbed him

[Bacde]

imo bungle is top scum pick

hamlet is sorta on my radar but I wanna hear Vegito check in w/ his report or whatever on him

[Bacde]

Just wait for TIP to figure it out

I think this is his personality or something

he'll understand whats going on in a few

[Bacde]

There's really only 4 people who could possibly be scum

Vegito, Omens, Hamlet, and Bungles

so hopefully Vegito will clear Hamlet and we can work from there

[Bacde]

TIP in case you haven't noticed I'm not defending myself from your case because its obviously horrible

[Bacde]

I'm not asking about a role, I'm asking about a flip

I've KNOWN what Pim's role was

[Bacde]

How is hamlet confirmed?

he's the player I plan to vote.

I don't think thats a good plan

mostly because it was Vegito's plan

I think you should think for yourself or follow me

also wait for Vegito to say what he learned before we take any action, obv

[Bacde]

Vegito started the whole fucking thing on Ghostlin
I know what's going on. You are the scum.

You aren't answering because you know I've caught you
And you not explaining how it's horrible strengthens my scum read on you

It was the same with Ghostlin, I pushed him D1 and then backed off
BUT I WILL NOT REPEAT THE SAME MISTAKE AGAIN

[Bacde]

Vegito started the whole fucking thing on Ghostlin
I know what's going on. You are the scum.

You aren't answering because you know I've caught you
And you not explaining how it's horrible strengthens my scum read on you

It was the same with Ghostlin, I pushed him D1 and then backed off
BUT I WILL NOT REPEAT THE SAME MISTAKE AGAIN

dude its because you won't ever improve at this game if you need people to hold your hand through everything

I had faith in you to figure out what was going on on your own like a big boy, do you really need me to explain to you that I'm a vengeful townie/mason w/ Pim and had crumbed Pim yesterday, only to be surprised that Pim didn't flip Mason despite us having daytalk and a QT and being told we were masons.

SERIOUSLY YOU THINK MENTIONING VENGEFUL AS A ROLE IS A SCUMTELL IN GENERAL AND THATS HOW I CAUGHT GHOSTLIN?! CONTEXT DAMNIT CONTEXT

NO

, Ghostlin RANDOMLY mentioned Vengeful as though he had PRIOR KNOWLEDGE that a vengeful was in the game, which to me (being a vengeful) was HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS

And now that I've claimed my full role, you think its a scumtell? holy shit man

and no, Vegito did not catch Ghostlin, I did and I fucking pushed Ghostlin all day so I don't give a fuck what you think about that

pedit- TIP chill the fuck out, take 10 minutes, take a big breath, and come back to the fucking thread

nothing I've done that you are pointing out is a scumtell, in the SLIGHTEST

[Bacde]

geez, dude Vegito I don't blame you for wanting to lynch TIP

I do blame you for thinking he was scum though

[Bacde]

unvote me now

[Bacde]

You did push ghostlin on d1, for something that was a nonslip

in fact, he might even have purposely posted that to make us think there are a different number of scum than there are

[Bacde]

wow

I don't even

did you even pay attention

do you remember your opinion about vegito yesterday?

what the fuck

why do I remember your stances on the game better than you

[Bacde]

Well TIP is confirmed confirmed confirmed town because there's NO WAY he'd figure out Pim was my partner and NK him

[Bacde]

also the mafia is someone who thinks they are smart since they NKed my partner instead of me, this is important

it was also what I was hoping for

[Bacde]

Wow, people trust vegito more than the confirmed town mason who's partner just died

Seriously 2 people in thread have expressed this opinion

[Bacde]

Well, it all depends on him and whether I believe him or not, don't it?
Now shh, make your case on Hamlet

PEdit: Well shit

lol TIP you aren't even paying attention to me if you think I'm about to make a case on Hamlet

[Bacde]

After Vegito claims whatever happened w/ hamlet we are going to massclaim btw

[Bacde]

Wow, people trust vegito more than the confirmed town mason who's partner just died

Seriously 2 people in thread have expressed this opinion

I trust you are town bacde.

I"m still remembering you trying to talk me off 42 and onto yolo in that newbie game though.

I remember you drinking AP's kool-aid

we all have our mistakes

[Bacde]

how awesome would it have been if i made you take your vote off 42 and I was scum though?

sometimes I wish I could play scum like I play town

[Bacde]

I'm surprised you can tell tweedle-dee and tweedle-doo apart tbh

Me and Pim discussed a lot during the night, and I refuse to give up any of his suspects just because he's dead

Vegito we were both suspicious of, particularly with how nacho seemed to agree with me (900000x) about Ghostlin being scummy, but never revisited it until he had to. To top it off, when he unvoted me he said "jesus fucking christ" like he was frustrated that he couldn't pull off a mislynch there either

he's not my top scumread for sure but he's not a read I can just brush aside and not worry about

[Bacde]

so does bungle seem suspicious to anyone else yet?

[Bacde]

its weird to me that we have a miller and no cop

anyone else?

[Bacde]

we need to finish the massclaim btw

[Bacde]

jumping to ghostlin next instead of hamlet, though.

I dunno. counter intuitive for scum to do it so late? but bacde was probably going to take the mantle at that point.

wait what are you talking about here

[Bacde]

also we aren't lynching until hamlet comes in and posts

obviously

[Bacde]

this day feels waaaayyyyyy too railroad tracked to be correct if we just lynch hamlet right now

we have bungles pushing us to lynch really quick for no goddamn reason before vegito even posts his report

vegito wants to lynch his report before hamlet even checks in

hamlet hasn't even posted in here yet

we have a miller but no cop

AND we have a nexus

[Bacde]

What ghostlin posted on d1 (the "both scum" comment) was a nonslip

he thought about whether or not it would be okay to post "both scum" before he posted it, I'm sure of it

because his defense came so quickly and so naturally

its possible that he was trying to throw us off from the actual number of scum

[Bacde]

the ONLY thing making me feel good about the possibility of hamlet-scum is that hamlet responded to ghostlin's "vengeful townie" post as though HE ALSO had prior knowledge that a vengeful was in the setup

he didn't ask why ghostlin thought TIP was claiming vengeful or anything

he just sorta continued on the same train of thought

[Bacde]

I disagree with Ff's 252 because it opens up a huge pot of WIFOM and 'too dumb for scum.' This isn't a scum read, she reads pretty much town, but the arguments are off.

TNE's overcaution...I don't know if she's nervous or scum. There's no reason to flip-flop on wagons if chk included a vengeful townie and only scum would be afraid of it.

There's no reason to flip-flop on wagons if chk included a vengeful townie and only scum would be afraid of it.

What? A bad call from a venge could wipe out a town PR. Everyone should be concerned about that.

-B

There's no reason to flip-flop on wagons if chk included a vengeful townie and only scum would be afraid of it.

What? A bad call from a venge could wipe out a town PR. Everyone should be concerned about that.

-B

True, but it still doesn't eliminate the WIFOM that exists. There's really no reason to believe TIP is a Venge, and if you want to talk about gambits to get off people's wagons, that'd be a clever one for a scum to set up.

You don't cast votes on what you THINK might happen if a person has a certain PR, you cast votes on what a person DOES during the game.

this looks like it could be scumbuddies talking to each other

[Bacde]

After Vegito claims whatever happened w/ hamlet we are going to massclaim btw

i am piccolo the executioner, and i wanna flip hamlet

after hamlet claims, and at your discretion, use your executioner power

I don't want this to be a normal lynch

[Bacde]

i agree that we don't need to quick lynch Hamlet (or anyone else, for that matter) just yet...
as an FYI, CHK recently had a 9 player Pokemon game with 3 scum in it, which ended up screwing us in the end.

yeah sorry about quicklynching you in that game

I was seriously laughing my butt off when you were upset w/ me though, I had no counter-argument to argue that I was town, I was just trying to let your accusations slide off me

[Bacde]

I want to see hamlet's claim before I discuss our further course of action in this game

don't worry town, I won't let us lose

[Bacde]

lol gj bungle

[Bacde]

and gj to everyone in the town

[Bacde]

@Mod, didn't Pim steal Bungle's power? I'm confused as to how he was still able to execute

[Bacde]

@Bungle Pim was super suspicious of you, so I couldn't let that go

I personally thought you were town but I like to keep up my dead partner's suspicions

[Bacde]

Also I wouldn't be surprised if the mafia actually weren't even told if there was a vengeful

@Chk, were the mafia told if there was a vengeful?

[Bacde]

Kill is above Ability Thief in regards to night actions.

Didn't he steal bungle's power though? Bungle was an executioner

[Bacde]

That's funny, after post 552 I was about to fakeclaim day-cop w/ a guilty on Ghostlin, and if I got lynched I was gonna venge Ghostlin

but then Pim reminded me in our QT that my vengeful was for nightkills only, and not for lynches, so I had to play it down

[Bacde]

uh

I forgot to say that this was the funniest post in the thread, though your first post about having already sent in the execution was a close second.

I couldn't bring myself to reply because of all of bacde's planning and thinking, so I just sat back and waited for the bombshell.

It would have been hilarious if hamlet had been town.

lol didn't even notice